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I think the reason for quite a few videos of people having 4.6GHz in games is that its only stable in them. I myself got 3600 (1932SUT if I remember correctly) recently and I could do seemingly stable 4.6GHz at 1.425v in rise of the tomb raider intensive cpu spot (although not fully because only with 1660 super 1080p medium settings still getting gpu bottlenecked at 100+ fps or at low settings at 120+ fps and the game obviously isnt even using all 12 threads). But when I tried using cinebench r15 and r20 the best I could do was 4.475GHz at 1.4v (still needs further testing for maybe better voltage, but surely couldnt do 4.5GHZ)
Steve, would you consider 1.35v too high of a voltage for day to day running on a 4.5Ghz all core OC? I am 'stable' at 4.5Ghz and 1.35v in P95 for 2+ hours, but im still not sure about whether that is a safe voltage. I currently run 4.4Ghz at 1.25v. For reference, i have an x570 AORUS ELITE and a Noctua NH-D15 cooler.
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Tips for new content: 1) Do that again a couple of months after the XT launch, it might be that 3600 silicon gets worse because they’ll be binning all the good ones for the 3600XT. 2) Test that 1.4V overclocking voltage for long term safety, the community believes the “safe voltage” for manual OC on zen 2 is lower than 1.3V, as there are reports of CPUs degrading at 1.32V. People using 1.4V are deemed either insane or idiots on reddit. Put that old 3600 OCed at 4.2GHz@1.4V on a Folding at Home machine 24/7 for 3 months and run the tests again to check for degradation. NOBODY in the community has any clues on safe ZEN 2 voltages and your findings would be very revealing.
1.4V is safe, even as high as 1.5V, AMD themselves released a statement on 3XXX cpu voltages. They run with more voltage period. Now under volting your chip is absolutely worth it, but 1.4v will not degrade your chip. This scares some people because 1.4V is absolutely chip melting on intel side of things, some old intel chips consider 1.4V absolutely insane. In 3XXX Chips it's a different story, and the consumer base can't really understand that, which is why again I bring up the AMD statement.
I've an ugly 3600 oc to 4,175 @ 1,23v..after a few month I crash some time during game e during prime 95(first time). I get back original setting for 3600,and I lost a couple of megaherzt from single core; from 4,200-4,175 (on core number 2,the best core) to 4,050(ever on core number two, the highest value). I have artic liquid freezer 2 and temps are 50-60 oc and 70 original, more or less.
I run mine @4.3ghz at 1.135v stable... I'll push 4.4ghz later coming this weekend when I grab some case fans. Temps with my cooler is around 50-55 degrees in gaming and 66 degrees on max load. Used to run 4.2ghz at 1.1v.. Trying to push further with less voltages ofcourse.
GTA V Murder spree is my OC verification tool. I don't know how many times I thought I had an otherwise stable CPU overclock crap the bed going full Murica in GTA V.
@@jozefsk7456 synthetic stress tests produce a constant load. They don't test stability when loads fluctuate, while games do. Fluctuation can lead to instability as dynamic voltages and clock states change more.
Reddit is obviously a libtard cesspit. not that I care much about r/The_Donald, in fact i never read it, but reddit just shut it down, like anything that is remotely conservative or white is getting shut down. Freedom of Speech is dead. Now its full on libtard communism
I was literally just wondering about this and here are the answers right in front of me! I ended up buying a 3600 in March of this year. In avx workloads I can run it stable at 4.4 ghz @ 1.25v. It's just incredible to see how much value you can squeeze out of these cpus for their price!
So, AMD is indeed binning CPUs for their XT series and the already on sale CPUs are just a bit better due to process maturity producing better CPUs on average. Nice to know. Good video.
@@ouki4925 But how much of a bottleneck is it tho? Hard to say if almost every chips fails to measurably exceed 1900 MHz. I think most Zen 2 samples nowadays hit that speed just fine, while some early ones even struggled with just 1833 MHz, let alone 1900 for those dual-CCD Ryzen 9's (my pre-October 3900X sample does "not even" do 1966 fully stable). I think 1933 MHz is quite achievable with a bit of luck nowadays, though I cannot really confirm that allcore Prime95 small-FFT stability is exceeding 4.3 GHz all that regularly yet (XT, Ryzen 3 and 3800X probably more likely). If full stability at decently high clocks with Ryzen is what you want, you better do some real binning. 4.5 GHz allcore fully-stable is still pretty much best case scenario. For partial stability for gaming maybe even 4.7 GHz is doable with a bit of luck. If anyone knows: what is about the best IFCLK ever achieved on Ryzen (without sub-ambient cooling)?
@@ElZamo92 nope, its not. there are MEMCLK and FCLK options in bios. depends on motherboard though, if you use some cheap crap like A320 then probably there isn't.
@@pavel2058I coulda watched a youtube video in that time, and the 15 minutes doesn't include the extra 20 looking up how to do it. Wikichip said infinity fabric was a thing on 1st Gen but didn't say it couldn't be overclocked
"Silicon does often mature over time" No wonder my CPU snapped back at me the other day, grew a small beard, and it's voice got deeper. Oh CPU, how much you've grown.
Man, I remember 2019 samples oc reports could barely get boost clock stable on all cores. Being able to get 4.4 on all cores itself is some advancement.
I bought a 1700X near the end of 1st gen's lifecycle. My expectation was to hit a wall at 3.8 or 3.9 GHz based on observations in various online forums. It booted at 4.1 and wouldn't crash until a significant load was applied, and I think it wasn't instantaneous. The auto voltage was 1.5 V, which is too high, so I didn't live there for long but I was still surprised that I got what was once a virtually unobtainable clock with the most casual of overclocking attempts. I'm not sure of this is more attributable to silicon improvements or AGESA updates. It also ran 3200 MHz (and even a bit higher) with four sticks of mediocre DDR4 RAM overclocked from its 3000 MHz rating.
Did you do any FCLK OC testing on the new chip? Would be interesting to see if it can reliably hit 1900mhz, possibly even higher. As far as I understand higher FCLK+higher memory clocks have more performance impact than straight core OC.
@@AstolfoGayming Exactly. Even "upgrading" to the 3800XT (instead of Ryzen 9 or later gen) will likely barely net you 10% more performance if manually oc'd. This is to say it 's not worth it other than for very specific workloads that are on the edge of CPU-bottlenecking (e. g. you want 144 fps, but "only" get 130). I once did just that though, but only because it actually mattered. Having a Ryzen 7 1700 that is stuck @3.7 GHz 1.38V and even with 1.48V cannot do 3.75 GHz on "Extreme" LLC on decent ASUS Prime X370 was just too much of an emotional burden. In the end I sold my chip used and bought another used for barely a few € more after sales and shipping fees. 200 MHz more at less voltage - totally worth it, because the 1700 always is a limit for my RTX 2080 - my new 3900X not so much. It barely helps overclocking it to 4.3 GHz allcore @1.32V which is possible, but kills the boost speeds. It is an early sample bough in October, so it won't do more just by the nature of steppings (I would have needed extreme luck to get 4.5 GHz allcore from an early 2 CCD sample).
Preach it Steve, sample size of one is soo important. Soo many people online share anecdotes about their particular experience and extrapolate out to jump to conclusions about entire products or companies. To draw any conclusions with certainty, one would really need multiple samples from each manufacturing date. You have no idea where each die came from on any given wafer among many other variables.
Steve! You can price match at Best Buy! If you go in to the store when you purchase, you can show them the Amazon or Newegg price and they will price match! Save your money man!
I bought mine about 3 Months ago and I'm running it at 1.225v with 4.4ghz stable in all of my games. I can get a stable 4.5ghz at around 1.35v but that Voltage increase isn't worth the extra 100mhz to me. I already made a Forum post about it in a German Forum, without having seen the whole video I'd say that the quality of the silicon did indeed improve
I bought my 3600 a couple months ago and getting 4.4Ghz all core rock stable at just 1.2v which is awesome. All while just using a fairly mediocre 120mm AIO. Have punished it with Intel Burn Test over and over but just can't get it to fail, even after getting my case nice and toasty after also stressing the GPU with Unigine. Managed to crack a score just over 4,000pts on Cinebench. When I was planning my initial purchase I was thinking about upgrading to a Zen 3, 8 or 12 core maybe as early as next next year but I'm so happy with this chip that I see no need to upgrade any time soon. Very happy with the purchase obviously.
Im almost identical to you, and have been running at 4.4 since i bought it in mid May here in Australia. All core 4.4 @ 1.25v and 4.5 @ 1.35v. Like you, i don't consider the extra voltage worth the small bump in frequency. Its stable after 2 hours of small FFT P95 which is good enough for me. Have you done an R20 run? I get 3950 points (4.4Ghz 3200Mhz CL16 RAM + 1600Mhz IF) with a Noctua NH-D15 and with my fan curve it stays below 65 degrees celcius.
I bought my 3600 on launch day, sent it back for RMA and got it back two weeks ago. Similar test case to yours. At stock with Kryonaut on a NH -D14, the old 3600 used about 0.05 more volts on both high current loads (upper 1.3x vs lower 1.3x), and low current loads (mid 1.4x vs upper 1.3x). New 3600 is also around 10 degrees cooler during Prime95, while both sit at 41xx MHz and neither crossed past the upper 70s in temps. An ancedote for sure, but it seems that silicon quality massively improved.
I am so glad someone decided to start doing re-reviews on products after they've had time to mature and software optimized around them. Please GN keep doing this. It helps so much when it comes to buying a product. Seeing how much performance you are potentially leaving on the table by buying something last gen vs next gen. Keep up the good work!!!!!
I'm glad you did this comparison. I have a new r5 3600 and I briefly tried to overclock it and it was stable at 4.4 ghz all core at stock cpu voltage. I thought I had a fairly golden chip but it just seems that all the newer 3600's can do slightly better overclocks. I put it back to stock until I get more info on degredation, and besides, the 3600 doesn't even need to be overclocked anyway. I've overclocked every cpu I've ever had and this one doesn't even need it.
On a 3700x, i can get 1900 FCLK, 3800mhz cl 16 on a 3600 kit, and 4.5GHz at 1.327v all-core. Cooler Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240, thanks to you, Steve. Thank you! :D Tested with cinebench r20 and aida stress testing. temps vary around 70-80.
What a fantastic channel. Your testing method and various aspects you investigate not only teach so much but ultimately allow consumers to make the best choices. Cheers
Assembled recently a recent 3600 for a friend and stock voltage was crazy, well over 1.4v, touching almost 1,45 sometimes. Temps obviously were pretty high, I just undervolted it and, for the same speed, I shaved almost 15 degrees, AMD is nuts...
I had the 9900k from launch and about a year after and the one a year later can hit 5.1 with ease and lower voltage than the launch 9900k. Anyways awesome stuff GN crew! I always wondered about this.
@@gannonrosencrans5696 SAMEEEEEE. My mobo is a ASUS B450m TUF. and stock it pushes close to 1.4v with max 4.2GHz. Overclocked it to 4.3GHz at 1.3v stable with 8--10 degrees cooler. Highly recommend overclocking a 3600
If you care about thermals always worth putting a little time into an offset undervolt. Since you're only dealing with one value it'll take less time to find the sweet spot than with an overclock and is technically safer. Temperature difference can be substantial - as others have set motherboard default values are often too high - and you can see a marginal performance improvement too.
@@Oldsah 30 years ago: Like... can you believe it? That processor does stuff 100,000,000x a second! What marvellous technology! Today: Eh... drop of water on a hot stone.
I got a 3600x for my son around Christmas and I wasn't able to get a 4.4Ghz all core OC up to 1.4V initially. I ended up just cranking all of MSIs motherboard and PBO limits and left it there. I recently realized his 360mn was running pretty loud, so I checked it out and the motherboard's auto OC was able to run the CPU at over 4.4 all core. It was hot at idle though and the aio kept ramping up, so I just set everything back to stock. I origionally thought he was going to be playing AAA games, but it's only been Roblox and Minecraft for the past 5 months, so he doesn't need any more power than the cool and quite stock CPU provides.
Can you do testing with infinity fabric OCs that would be cool to see as I am looking to potentially purchase a 3600. Though I know that this is not fully representative of all newer 3600’s.
I'm thinking the xt can do 2000 in the iF and will have a healthy performance boost when paired with 4000mhz ram even with the modest clock increases. Here's hoping
My 3600 (should be new stock but I haven't looked at the production date before installing) does 1900 IF without any problems on a B550-F Strix. 1:1 mode with Samsung E-Die at 3800 CL16-19-19-38. 55k read and 67ns latency in Aida64.
With 4.4 all core being very doable, I’m really hoping that the XT chips can do 4.5 or so all core. The frequency boost would be really good for gaming
I bought my R7 3700X two months ago, got a stable overclock at 4.4 GHz with 1.387V VCORE. I have seen many videos where people couldn't push it past 4.3 GHz, even after many attemps. I set it to 4.4 GHz with 1.4V VCORE, ran all tests and everthing was stable. After that I set the VCORE to 1.387V, ran all tests again for a couple of hours and everything remained stable. Using a BeQuiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro cooler during all testing and daily use. So either I am really lucky, or AMD improved their manufacturing process.
1.387v on a new 3700X is pretty high though. Max out PBO limits, run prime 95 small FFT non avx and see where it settles, that should be the voltage range you should aim for. Varies from chip to chip, my launch week chip wants around 1.3, many of the new ones seem to sit around 1.26
Omg, this video is just on time, the other day i saw a build video made by "tech yes city" where his 3600 was hitting 4.2ghz at 77 degrees while playing warzone, while my own 3600 that i purchased back in November can rarely hit 4.0 ghz at temps lower than 70 degrees in games
Mine was boosting aswell to 4.2 all cores but the auto voltages were crazy! 1.487@ best ... Now runs 4.6 ghz stable @ 1.3v mid50-low60s c while gaming with aio
I have a 3600 that I bought at launch and one that I picked up about 3 months ago. The newer one runs about 7 deg cooler than the old one. I have them both locked at 4150 @1.2v so not sure about much else.
I bought my 3600 in 2020, and after discovering that the small 7nm die is relatively hard to cool at burst frequencies, I put the CPU in all core 4.1Ghz at 1.1V, and extensive testing showed no performance or stability degradation, and is now very cool and quiet. I don't know if that's good silicon, but it does look like 4.2Ghz is when power efficiency starts to drop significantly.
@@crackong781 still really good considering most early review samples were only hitting 4.2-4.3 all core. Mine under an AIO floats around 60-65c while gaming and blows my old 6700k away, even at gaming. There are a bunch of people claiming 4.6 on reddit with our chip. Heck there are some verified users getting 4.6+ on CPU-Zs website. Take them with a grain of salt, of course, but if true, wow.
@@koreymcintire3382 With a custom loop setup I think 4.6 all core with SMT on is possible, maybe some R20 runs, not P95, the current draw is simply too high.
I just know that my 3700x is a 3800x, sometimes it overclocks it self to 4.45 GHZ. In blender doing work that sometime just uses 1 core the core often sticks at 4.4GHZ but sometimes it jumps 50mhz more.
Really interesting. I actually want to see a follow-up with the 3600 xt also compared, and further testing whether infinity fabric clocks differ between the 3 cpu batches.
I'd guess that the time for higher clocking 3600s has been and gone as they're binning for 3600XT now, not just 3600X. Unless, of course, we've got to the point where there's negligible quality difference between all three? Next video: 3600XT vs 3600X vs 3600 - a revisit of cost vs performance?
Was curious and bought a new 3600 for 166€. Got a week 22 model. I can do successful R20 runs @4525MHz with SET 1.34V / GET 1.312V. Anything above is unstable even with 1.42V. Will test for long-term stable now. Finally some OC fun with Ryzen. Looking forward to XT-release now :D
I have my 3600, which I purchased in November 2019, set to 4.175Ghz on both CCXs (they both OC to the same frequency) at 3.125V. I'm running it with an overkill EVGA 280 CLC so temps peak at 70C under gaming conditions.
I have a different experience. I bought r5 2600 at launch and my dad bought it in january 2020. On the same motherboard my chip can go to 4.1 GHz at 1.35V stable, and the other chip cant go above 3.9 GHz at sane voltages. Interesting, so it varies just between processors and silicon lottery
3.9 GHz at high voltage is extremely bad for Zen+, I have a random 2400G (Zen1 14nm despite the name) that does 4 GHz flat @1.31V absolutely stable. This is the same turd level of binning such as my first (early 2017) Ryzen 7 1700 that needed almost 1.4V for 3.7 GHz on a pretty decent board (did nothing wrong in retrospect - other sample did 3.9 GHz at lower voltage more stable). 4.1 GHz is pretty average for an early Zen+ if not above. I have also bought 2700X Anniversary in September 2019 (currently borrowed out) and it does 4.15 GHz at the voltages you described - also pretty average, but likely below for later production runs.
My 2600 has a hard time going above 4.0 no matter what I have tried. I'd guess the 3600 isn't anywhere near the higher bins and if they have some if other changes aren't done they may be saving them for the xt varient. Hopefully it's more than binning but I doubt it
As I have said, it depends on lottery. I had r5 1500x with crappy asrock ab350m motherboard and it couldnt even support xmp 2400 mhz ram, it wouldnt post (even on the other motherboard). And on my current chip (2600), I tuned the memory which was rated 2666 to 3200 cl16, with before mentioned overclock and it works 100% stable.
A good approximation is, that the frequency raises power consumption linear, but voltage raises power consumption squared. So lover voltage is great for efficiency.
The thought of either AMD or Intel actually having that one golden sample of a chip, then deliberately "amputate" it, for my lack of a better word, just to fill in the quota for segmentation makes me sad...
My r5 3600 is stable at 4500 MHz all core with 1.35vcore. I can even undervolt to 1.30, but got less points in Cinebench r20 I'm stable with games, Cr20, prime95, OCCT, etc.. I bought it 3 weeks ago
No expert here, but as mentioned you probably need around 20-30 CPUs of the same batch to get a somehow good overview of silicon quality. I think der8auer did a review of 20 or more same 10th gen. Intel CPUs and showed high the variation even in a single batch is. What I would be interessed in, is whether or not the quality in OEM systems is lower than in the DIY market, since most OEM customers won't overclock the parts.
Been waiting on this as I own a 3600 but only purchased it a few months ago. What I will say is in triple A games I learned to leave it at stock with minor changes to power states. It sits at 4.2ghz the entire game at 54-64Oc on nothing but air. It will idle at as low as 29Oc . If I turn on PBO or try to add to boost clock it will bounce from 4.175 to 4.275.
Bought mine a couple months ago. Currently running 4.45ghz@1.225v(Max Temp 64c), Can do stable 4.5ghz at 1.28v(Max Temp 70c). I just like the low temps at 4.45 its about 10 degrees cooler then stock. This is on a cheap air cooler, Arctic duo. I haven't tried anything above that because of all the different information online about safe voltages.
Why? Mine hits 4.5GHz at 1.280v. Here's the picture and the test with all the details also benchmarks from R15 and R20. i.imgur.com/U6enk29.png I can record a video if you want with everything set if you still don't believe it. Although I can't blame you as I was in disbelief in the first place.
Mine is running stable 4.6ghz @ 1.3v tested aida64 and gaming! It actually booted with 1.25v and was able to complete chinebench but didnt pass aida64 until i was @ 1.3v
Steve, did you guys pull the stepping numbers from CPUID to see if the layer masks had changed between the new and the old 3600? That would have been an interesting test. For instance if they revised the Base mask, then you know AMD made a pretty significant change to the processor, which may have included layout changes, as opposed to upper layer mask stepping changes, which would represent minor tweaks to production, but no logic changes.
Got my 3600 2 weeks ago and to be honest I'm not that fussed that they released a improved version. It's smashing all the games I've been playing medium settings on with my 2600k and that's what I upgraded for. Getting solid 1080p gaming with my rx580 8gb at 60fps
I just bought a 3600 and is running 4.3 1.3 stable. I was a little confused as I read Reddit many people mentioned they had a hard time reaching 4.2. Then there are posts about reaching 4.4 and 4.5. This review was done just in time for me, I might test mine but 4.3 seems good enough for gaming so maybe later when I bored.
This is great honestly, 100mhz up with alot lower vcore. I would love to see 3800x, there are already 1.32v 4.5ghz all core prime stable for some time.
This sounds similar to one of my hobbies, home audio. The amount of consumers claiming that one cable sounds better to another, being it speaker cable or interconnects based on vendors "claims of performance".
And don't forget the directional arrows to point the electrons for the power delivery into the right direction ;-) Most hilarious to me are those cables for digital interfaces (f.e. HDMI or SPDIF) that are so strong that they could be used to pull a truck.
if your in usa and getting r5 3600 for $160 here in the uk we pay £160 on amazon. £160 converted to $ = $199. So if you paid $200 you are paying uk prices.
coming from the future, I have a 3600 which was made in the 36th week of 2022. I got it due to an RMA of a bad at idle chip (you can see the bluescreen issue with some of the 3600). this new chip boosts 4200 all cores all time at stock in games and 4100 using Aida64 and prime95, with lower temperature and voltages also. whereas the older chip couldn't even hit the 4000 mark, max out at 3975mhz in games and averages at 3900, even go lower in aida64 and Prime95. and as I see the reviews from 2019 I can see that all CPUs made at launch could not get higher than 4000.. so yes CPUs do get better by the time and it is better to wait a little after the launch of new CPU lineup to avoid instabilities.
You're right that you only have one CPU for each sample size, but if you think about it you actually have multiple chiplets in each CPU. If you try to overclock each chiplet separately you could get a sample size of ~6, of course the controller has a significant impact on chiplet performance, but it might still be interesting. You could compare the spread in chiplet performance for each CPU.
I just bought a 3600 and it should be in tomorrow. Got it from best buy as well, as it's the only place with a $200 price tag that doesn't take 3 weeks to ship. It should be in tomorrow and then I can get my new build set up.
Picked up a 3600 back in March has been running 4.5 GHZ @ 1.32v just fine + a noctua DH15. It will run 4.6GHZ but need 1.4V so I just backed it down to 4.5. No blue screens or crashes when playing games or video editing.
Testing my newly setup R5 3600, I've been running Prime95 for the past 10min without issues @1,25v (1,21v real) and @4.4GHz. Quite happy so far, wasn't expecting much. The temp is on the high side 88 celsius using a NH-D15 Chromax, so I think I need to remount it, lol.
I got a 4.4 on all cores with just an Noctua NH-U12A air cooler @ 1.3v .... I could drop it to 1.25v ... however there was zero changes to cooling, etc.. so I left it having access to more juice.
It's safe to say those who have the 2019 version of the chip in possession have indeed lost something. Temperatures and longevity. Seems significant to me
We really need a few old and new 3600s for this type of comparison to really have any value. This is like playing high card, drawing two cards and then making claims about what's in an entire deck.
Thanks Steve, I found this to be really interesting content. I would also be curious to see the same done on the 3900x, a cpu more towards the top of the product stack, as opposed to one near the bottom, but I understand the $$ reasons why you wouldn't. It just seems to me, the chips more towards the top of the stack would be the most likely to reap the benefits of slightly better silicone. Am I wrong in this assumption?
high-end CPUs are already the "choice" silicon. You can tell how things are progressing from a MFG POV by looking at the cheaper offerings. As quality improves and demand remains high, higher-end silicon finds its way into the cheaper products. The odds of getting great silicon in the cheaper price points increases with time so if word on the street is that new CPUs are performing very well and you pick up a random one and it does, it's safe to say that for the most part the plant is producing mostly high-quality chips, which is to be expected, especially seeing how the 4xxx series is already in B0.
It's sort of crazy how many things are on back order I tried buying new wheels for my car their on back order looked at other ones of the same size a solid 80% of the listing were out, think the SSD I was looking at was also out of stock too
Lol, poor Americans. In times of global pandemic, Central Europe seemingly reigns supreme ("It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." [actual Trump quote] my ass by the way). Just got myself a 3600 from mindfactory.de for €155 < $174 (right now) after *19% tax* (
@@aoelpSo you saved $4 over your American counterpart and got a game that one could theoretically (not that I EVER would) torrent. What is your point? Your ramblings are superfluous and therefore I'm compelled to respond. I could mention an infamous German leader that may have said some questionable things in times past. Remind me; how many people has the coronavirus killed? How many Jews were killed by Nazis? Your silly game can be played by both sides. Lol, poor German.
I saw one R5 3600 do all cores 4.6Ghz @ 1.38V. It passed R20 benchmark tho not sure if it's fully stable. The silicon is from early 2020, 2008PGT batch I believe. So at the end of the day, I think it's silicon lottery at work. You could always get one super high quality silicon. While other are just out right average.
Steve, I notice that the batch code (PGT) on your new R5-3600 indicates that it was made in Penang, Malaysia while it seems that most Ryzen CPUs are made in Suzhou, China with batch codes of "SUS" or "SUT". Could that have some impact on quality and/or performance?
First half of the video was making me upset that my new R5 3600 that just came was from 2019 but the benchmarks helped make me feel better. Paid 144$ for a new one on eBay, after my 3300x got delayed for the third time. After a couple hours of overclocking on a 240 AIO I settled for 4.3 all core at 1.4v and it stays 34 at idle, 64 in Warzone and 73 max looping cinebench r20.
Your voltage results are similar to how my new 3700x runs at the same frequencies -- above 4300 becomes spotty with much more voltage needed for marginal returns. I was able to get up to 4450 all core with the 3700x to run R20 to completion for a score of 5395. P95 heat would instantly crash it. Use CLC280 front feed. Keep it set at 4.3GHz with 1.3v set for a ~1.29x v reported and it's stable in the upper 60s under P95 max heat w/ fans capped to ~1600 RPM pull w/ 1200 RPM on push (RGBs not really for radiator pressures). It's an aesthetic config.
It's good to have a loot at this video, now I would love to see the this new retail chip put to Temp scaling before the new R5 3600XT to have the info and compare it.
Just a reminder that we verify overclocks with heavier workloads than just games, so we could do 4.5 (maybe higher) in some gaming workloads, but we don't think that's valid or fair to call "stable" if it crashes the instant you do something else.
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I think the reason for quite a few videos of people having 4.6GHz in games is that its only stable in them.
I myself got 3600 (1932SUT if I remember correctly) recently and I could do seemingly stable 4.6GHz at 1.425v in rise of the tomb raider intensive cpu spot (although not fully because only with 1660 super 1080p medium settings still getting gpu bottlenecked at 100+ fps or at low settings at 120+ fps and the game obviously isnt even using all 12 threads).
But when I tried using cinebench r15 and r20 the best I could do was 4.475GHz at 1.4v (still needs further testing for maybe better voltage, but surely couldnt do 4.5GHZ)
Can you test if the IMC has improved Steve?
Steve, would you consider 1.35v too high of a voltage for day to day running on a 4.5Ghz all core OC?
I am 'stable' at 4.5Ghz and 1.35v in P95 for 2+ hours, but im still not sure about whether that is a safe voltage. I currently run 4.4Ghz at 1.25v. For reference, i have an x570 AORUS ELITE and a Noctua NH-D15 cooler.
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it is just a thanks for all the work you did to Support our Furry Aussies earlier this year after the Bushfires earlier this year
I love the Content & your Teams commitment to Quality Journalism
Can't you do price matching? Through best buy.
Silicon does mature over time, why this 2011-3 vintage I've been aging has developed the most wonderful floral notes with a finish of oaky bergamot
Lucky. Mine just tastes like thermal paste.
😂😂
haha this hits home
haha, my matured sandy bridge-ep xeon 1650 tends to agree
a recent tasting of my AMD E350 released new scents of peach notes combined with chocolatey(?) hints in a smoky thermal paste rendered fat that combined deliciously with the Petrole de Ventilateur in a substantively complex manner. Bon apetit!
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1) Do that again a couple of months after the XT launch, it might be that 3600 silicon gets worse because they’ll be binning all the good ones for the 3600XT.
2) Test that 1.4V overclocking voltage for long term safety, the community believes the “safe voltage” for manual OC on zen 2 is lower than 1.3V, as there are reports of CPUs degrading at 1.32V. People using 1.4V are deemed either insane or idiots on reddit. Put that old 3600 OCed at 4.2GHz@1.4V on a Folding at Home machine 24/7 for 3 months and run the tests again to check for degradation. NOBODY in the community has any clues on safe ZEN 2 voltages and your findings would be very revealing.
1.4V is safe, even as high as 1.5V, AMD themselves released a statement on 3XXX cpu voltages. They run with more voltage period. Now under volting your chip is absolutely worth it, but 1.4v will not degrade your chip.
This scares some people because 1.4V is absolutely chip melting on intel side of things, some old intel chips consider 1.4V absolutely insane.
In 3XXX Chips it's a different story, and the consumer base can't really understand that, which is why again I bring up the AMD statement.
I think the xt is the x made in 2020
I've an ugly 3600 oc to 4,175 @ 1,23v..after a few month I crash some time during game e during prime 95(first time). I get back original setting for 3600,and I lost a couple of megaherzt from single core; from 4,200-4,175 (on core number 2,the best core) to 4,050(ever on core number two, the highest value). I have artic liquid freezer 2 and temps are 50-60 oc and 70 original, more or less.
I run mine @4.3ghz at 1.135v stable... I'll push 4.4ghz later coming this weekend when I grab some case fans. Temps with my cooler is around 50-55 degrees in gaming and 66 degrees on max load.
Used to run 4.2ghz at 1.1v.. Trying to push further with less voltages ofcourse.
I recently got a 3600 stepping 0 running stable in all senarios 4.4g @ 1.25v
GTA V Murder spree is my OC verification tool. I don't know how many times I thought I had an otherwise stable CPU overclock crap the bed going full Murica in GTA V.
I usually use a 64 player match of Battlefield V to verify since it uses all cores but I’m going to have to take a look into this.
@@jozefsk7456 synthetic stress tests produce a constant load. They don't test stability when loads fluctuate, while games do. Fluctuation can lead to instability as dynamic voltages and clock states change more.
@@TheHavocInferno well I just learned something. Thanks.
@@TheHavocInferno Set it to constant voltage and dynamic frequency=problem solved
@@ThunderGoatz GTA 5 doesn't push my cpu at all.
Steve: "Despite coming from Reddit"
Everybody who uses Reddit: "Yeah that's fair"..
"no, no, he's got a point"
Reddit is obviously a libtard cesspit. not that I care much about r/The_Donald, in fact i never read it, but reddit just shut it down, like anything that is remotely conservative or white is getting shut down. Freedom of Speech is dead. Now its full on libtard communism
Crazy Russian Bot hahahhaha hahhahha hahhaha are you serious?
@@UnEn666 Try saying anything remotely positive about Trump. Post results.
@@UnEn666 his username is relevant
Thanks for the great Review, GN. I'm more interested in the lore behind the Aircans of Argonath, though.
Might need licensing from the Tolkien Estate before we write that story...
3600 was so epic theres benchmarks vs itself
I was literally just wondering about this and here are the answers right in front of me! I ended up buying a 3600 in March of this year. In avx workloads I can run it stable at 4.4 ghz @ 1.25v. It's just incredible to see how much value you can squeeze out of these cpus for their price!
I was literally just wondering about this and here you guys are giving me the answers.
Gareth Tucker whack
So, AMD is indeed binning CPUs for their XT series and the already on sale CPUs are just a bit better due to process maturity producing better CPUs on average. Nice to know. Good video.
Pointless when the bottleneck is still that shitty Infinity Fabric.
@@ouki4925 that's where 3300x is love!!😅
@@ouki4925 But how much of a bottleneck is it tho? Hard to say if almost every chips fails to measurably exceed 1900 MHz. I think most Zen 2 samples nowadays hit that speed just fine, while some early ones even struggled with just 1833 MHz, let alone 1900 for those dual-CCD Ryzen 9's (my pre-October 3900X sample does "not even" do 1966 fully stable). I think 1933 MHz is quite achievable with a bit of luck nowadays, though I cannot really confirm that allcore Prime95 small-FFT stability is exceeding 4.3 GHz all that regularly yet (XT, Ryzen 3 and 3800X probably more likely). If full stability at decently high clocks with Ryzen is what you want, you better do some real binning. 4.5 GHz allcore fully-stable is still pretty much best case scenario. For partial stability for gaming maybe even 4.7 GHz is doable with a bit of luck.
If anyone knows: what is about the best IFCLK ever achieved on Ryzen (without sub-ambient cooling)?
"we black out the serial number on this one but you can at least see the date code" on the video i'm watching the tape is over everything o.O
that was a joke bro :P
@@vladvah77 no, just incompetence
r/wooosh
@@aabeastsider Redditors I swear to god...
his mouth? lol
"So the concept is pretty sound....despite coming from Reddit". lol
I got told to overclock my infinity fabric on my Ryzen 5 1400... I spent a good fifteen minutes scouring my bios...
Pravdax M the clock for the infinity fabric is tied to the memory clock, so when you overclock your RAM you increase the IF clock speed.
@@ElZamo92 nope, its not. there are MEMCLK and FCLK options in bios. depends on motherboard though, if you use some cheap crap like A320 then probably there isn't.
@@pravda9646 'good 15 minutes' omegalul that's... nothing
@@pavel2058I coulda watched a youtube video in that time, and the 15 minutes doesn't include the extra 20 looking up how to do it. Wikichip said infinity fabric was a thing on 1st Gen but didn't say it couldn't be overclocked
"Silicon does often mature over time"
No wonder my CPU snapped back at me the other day, grew a small beard, and it's voice got deeper. Oh CPU, how much you've grown.
rofl
Man, I remember 2019 samples oc reports could barely get boost clock stable on all cores. Being able to get 4.4 on all cores itself is some advancement.
@8:11 "The aircans of Argonath" XD
Your humor alone would make watching GN worthwhile, Steve.
I miss the days of just multiplier and FSB changes.
I know what you mean but in some ways it's easier than it used to be
I bought a 1700X near the end of 1st gen's lifecycle. My expectation was to hit a wall at 3.8 or 3.9 GHz based on observations in various online forums. It booted at 4.1 and wouldn't crash until a significant load was applied, and I think it wasn't instantaneous. The auto voltage was 1.5 V, which is too high, so I didn't live there for long but I was still surprised that I got what was once a virtually unobtainable clock with the most casual of overclocking attempts. I'm not sure of this is more attributable to silicon improvements or AGESA updates. It also ran 3200 MHz (and even a bit higher) with four sticks of mediocre DDR4 RAM overclocked from its 3000 MHz rating.
Whenever I pause a GN video Steve's eyes are always appear closed.
molenini scrolled comments on pause, read yours then looked at Steve and his eyes was closed. I laughed so fucking hard :D
Or in a sleep state
I just checked it, and his eyes were closed 5 out of 7 times.
While I can't say i was on my way to bed, I can say I have graphs to keep me up.
Awwww.... The life of a business major college student
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Did you do any FCLK OC testing on the new chip? Would be interesting to see if it can reliably hit 1900mhz, possibly even higher. As far as I understand higher FCLK+higher memory clocks have more performance impact than straight core OC.
Our original one did about 1860-1900. This one is about the same.
@GN - please test IF clock, need to know if I should sell my 3700X with IF at 1900mhz to get a more mature CPU, as mine cannot get stable over 4,2Ghz.
@@anonymus5995 I wouldn't sell to buy the same chip unless you can do it for no cost.
@@GamersNexus kinda makes sense. Global Foundry should be about as mature as it's going to get.
@@AstolfoGayming Exactly. Even "upgrading" to the 3800XT (instead of Ryzen 9 or later gen) will likely barely net you 10% more performance if manually oc'd. This is to say it 's not worth it other than for very specific workloads that are on the edge of CPU-bottlenecking (e. g. you want 144 fps, but "only" get 130).
I once did just that though, but only because it actually mattered. Having a Ryzen 7 1700 that is stuck @3.7 GHz 1.38V and even with 1.48V cannot do 3.75 GHz on "Extreme" LLC on decent ASUS Prime X370 was just too much of an emotional burden. In the end I sold my chip used and bought another used for barely a few € more after sales and shipping fees. 200 MHz more at less voltage - totally worth it, because the 1700 always is a limit for my RTX 2080 - my new 3900X not so much. It barely helps overclocking it to 4.3 GHz allcore @1.32V which is possible, but kills the boost speeds. It is an early sample bough in October, so it won't do more just by the nature of steppings (I would have needed extreme luck to get 4.5 GHz allcore from an early 2 CCD sample).
Preach it Steve, sample size of one is soo important. Soo many people online share anecdotes about their particular experience and extrapolate out to jump to conclusions about entire products or companies. To draw any conclusions with certainty, one would really need multiple samples from each manufacturing date. You have no idea where each die came from on any given wafer among many other variables.
Steve! You can price match at Best Buy! If you go in to the store when you purchase, you can show them the Amazon or Newegg price and they will price match! Save your money man!
Even online they'll price match against other online retailers.
I bought mine about 3 Months ago and I'm running it at 1.225v with 4.4ghz stable in all of my games. I can get a stable 4.5ghz at around 1.35v but that Voltage increase isn't worth the extra 100mhz to me. I already made a Forum post about it in a German Forum, without having seen the whole video I'd say that the quality of the silicon did indeed improve
4.4 @ 1.285 here
My 3600 is running on 4.3 ghz with only 1.1 volt so crazy this cpu
Is it stable in stress test like prime95 or Intel burn test?
I bought my 3600 a couple months ago and getting 4.4Ghz all core rock stable at just 1.2v which is awesome. All while just using a fairly mediocre 120mm AIO. Have punished it with Intel Burn Test over and over but just can't get it to fail, even after getting my case nice and toasty after also stressing the GPU with Unigine. Managed to crack a score just over 4,000pts on Cinebench.
When I was planning my initial purchase I was thinking about upgrading to a Zen 3, 8 or 12 core maybe as early as next next year but I'm so happy with this chip that I see no need to upgrade any time soon. Very happy with the purchase obviously.
Im almost identical to you, and have been running at 4.4 since i bought it in mid May here in Australia.
All core 4.4 @ 1.25v and 4.5 @ 1.35v. Like you, i don't consider the extra voltage worth the small bump in frequency. Its stable after 2 hours of small FFT P95 which is good enough for me.
Have you done an R20 run? I get 3950 points (4.4Ghz 3200Mhz CL16 RAM + 1600Mhz IF) with a Noctua NH-D15 and with my fan curve it stays below 65 degrees celcius.
I bought my 3600 on launch day, sent it back for RMA and got it back two weeks ago. Similar test case to yours.
At stock with Kryonaut on a NH -D14, the old 3600 used about 0.05 more volts on both high current loads (upper 1.3x vs lower 1.3x), and low current loads (mid 1.4x vs upper 1.3x). New 3600 is also around 10 degrees cooler during Prime95, while both sit at 41xx MHz and neither crossed past the upper 70s in temps.
An ancedote for sure, but it seems that silicon quality massively improved.
did you test in the same conditions? what about the temperature?
@@yosyp5905 Yes, as close as possible.
I have been thinking about this (the same AMD CPU models improving in time) for a long time - thanks for this!
I am so glad someone decided to start doing re-reviews on products after they've had time to mature and software optimized around them. Please GN keep doing this. It helps so much when it comes to buying a product. Seeing how much performance you are potentially leaving on the table by buying something last gen vs next gen. Keep up the good work!!!!!
I'm glad you did this comparison. I have a new r5 3600 and I briefly tried to overclock it and it was stable at 4.4 ghz all core at stock cpu voltage. I thought I had a fairly golden chip but it just seems that all the newer 3600's can do slightly better overclocks. I put it back to stock until I get more info on degredation, and besides, the 3600 doesn't even need to be overclocked anyway. I've overclocked every cpu I've ever had and this one doesn't even need it.
"Despite coming from Reddit" 🔥
Great work Steve - love the content
Man you have gold content! So nice to have the chance to see your journalism ethic !
On a 3700x, i can get 1900 FCLK, 3800mhz cl 16 on a 3600 kit, and 4.5GHz at 1.327v all-core. Cooler Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240, thanks to you, Steve. Thank you! :D Tested with cinebench r20 and aida stress testing. temps vary around 70-80.
What a fantastic channel. Your testing method and various aspects you investigate not only teach so much but ultimately allow consumers to make the best choices. Cheers
I was an early adopter of the 3600X and i need 1.4v for 4.4 all core. It will do 4325MHz all core at 1.3v but anything more needs too much voltage.
This was so cool to see after tweeting you about it a couple weeks ago!
Assembled recently a recent 3600 for a friend and stock voltage was crazy, well over 1.4v, touching almost 1,45 sometimes. Temps obviously were pretty high, I just undervolted it and, for the same speed, I shaved almost 15 degrees, AMD is nuts...
Thank you! This is what I’ve been looking for since hearing the 3000xt stuff was coming.
I had the 9900k from launch and about a year after and the one a year later can hit 5.1 with ease and lower voltage than the launch 9900k. Anyways awesome stuff GN crew! I always wondered about this.
I'm curious if the out of the box thermals are just as impressive as the OC ones
@@gannonrosencrans5696 what is your motherboard?
@@gannonrosencrans5696 pbo is shit. its high voltage setting
@@gannonrosencrans5696 SAMEEEEEE. My mobo is a ASUS B450m TUF. and stock it pushes close to 1.4v with max 4.2GHz. Overclocked it to 4.3GHz at 1.3v stable with 8--10 degrees cooler. Highly recommend overclocking a 3600
@@sameerkhatri588 ok fine. I will the.
If you care about thermals always worth putting a little time into an offset undervolt. Since you're only dealing with one value it'll take less time to find the sweet spot than with an overclock and is technically safer. Temperature difference can be substantial - as others have set motherboard default values are often too high - and you can see a marginal performance improvement too.
Steve, i bought that CPU yesterday, never clicked in a video so fast. Thanks o/
I would like to see a comparison between this "new" 3600 vs 3600XT.
I feel like you won't see any difference
@@Oldsah 30 years ago: Like... can you believe it? That processor does stuff 100,000,000x a second! What marvellous technology!
Today: Eh... drop of water on a hot stone.
uhh.. looks like you didn't watch the video dude. the old and new are the same!
@@Oldsah thats already 600 hz over all.
I think i have XT chio bought as 3600 non xt! I am able to hit stable 4.6ghz @1.3 v but not 4.7 even on 1.4 voltages
I got a 3600x for my son around Christmas and I wasn't able to get a 4.4Ghz all core OC up to 1.4V initially. I ended up just cranking all of MSIs motherboard and PBO limits and left it there. I recently realized his 360mn was running pretty loud, so I checked it out and the motherboard's auto OC was able to run the CPU at over 4.4 all core. It was hot at idle though and the aio kept ramping up, so I just set everything back to stock. I origionally thought he was going to be playing AAA games, but it's only been Roblox and Minecraft for the past 5 months, so he doesn't need any more power than the cool and quite stock CPU provides.
caught a 3600 sale for 160 bucks a week ago and dropped it into my b350 (so no added cost)
amazing. couldn't be happier
Can you do testing with infinity fabric OCs that would be cool to see as I am looking to potentially purchase a 3600. Though I know that this is not fully representative of all newer 3600’s.
I'm thinking the xt can do 2000 in the iF and will have a healthy performance boost when paired with 4000mhz ram even with the modest clock increases. Here's hoping
My 3600 (should be new stock but I haven't looked at the production date before installing) does 1900 IF without any problems on a B550-F Strix. 1:1 mode with Samsung E-Die at 3800 CL16-19-19-38. 55k read and 67ns latency in Aida64.
With 4.4 all core being very doable, I’m really hoping that the XT chips can do 4.5 or so all core. The frequency boost would be really good for gaming
4.6 doable with 1.3 voltages with 3600 non x or xt .
I bought my R7 3700X two months ago, got a stable overclock at 4.4 GHz with 1.387V VCORE. I have seen many videos where people couldn't push it past 4.3 GHz, even after many attemps. I set it to 4.4 GHz with 1.4V VCORE, ran all tests and everthing was stable. After that I set the VCORE to 1.387V, ran all tests again for a couple of hours and everything remained stable.
Using a BeQuiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro cooler during all testing and daily use. So either I am really lucky, or AMD improved their manufacturing process.
1.387v on a new 3700X is pretty high though. Max out PBO limits, run prime 95 small FFT non avx and see where it settles, that should be the voltage range you should aim for. Varies from chip to chip, my launch week chip wants around 1.3, many of the new ones seem to sit around 1.26
@@givemeajackson Will try to go lower after my holidays. Thanks for the advice.
Omg, this video is just on time, the other day i saw a build video made by "tech yes city" where his 3600 was hitting 4.2ghz at 77 degrees while playing warzone, while my own 3600 that i purchased back in November can rarely hit 4.0 ghz at temps lower than 70 degrees in games
Well, variation between 4.0-4.2 Ghz is simply silicon lottery, there were people who had their 3600 run at 4.2 Ghz at launch
My 3600 has been running at 4.2 out of the box, bought 1 month ago.
Mine was boosting aswell to 4.2 all cores but the auto voltages were crazy! 1.487@ best ... Now runs 4.6 ghz stable @ 1.3v mid50-low60s c while gaming with aio
I have a 3600 that I bought at launch and one that I picked up about 3 months ago. The newer one runs about 7 deg cooler than the old one. I have them both locked at 4150 @1.2v so not sure about much else.
I bought my 3600 in 2020, and after discovering that the small 7nm die is relatively hard to cool at burst frequencies, I put the CPU in all core 4.1Ghz at 1.1V, and extensive testing showed no performance or stability degradation, and is now very cool and quiet. I don't know if that's good silicon, but it does look like 4.2Ghz is when power efficiency starts to drop significantly.
So you see, AMD caught this process improvement early and gave us the XT series.
My 3900x (47th week 2019 )can do 4.4 all core at 1.3v , and 4.6 all core with SMT off at 1.4v, with 280 CLC, I think it is common
Can confirm it as common, my 3900X is @4.55, 1.35v all core. I have not tested it with SMT off as of yet, don't really plan to.
3700x 4.3 / 1.3 stable on P95 heat, 4.45 R20 stable, CLC280. CPU is mid april. 4x16 OCZ 3600 16-19-16-36
@@koreymcintire3382 With SMT only 4.5 is possible with my setup and goes up to 100C in P95, I decided to step down to 4.4 with SMT on.
@@crackong781 still really good considering most early review samples were only hitting 4.2-4.3 all core. Mine under an AIO floats around 60-65c while gaming and blows my old 6700k away, even at gaming. There are a bunch of people claiming 4.6 on reddit with our chip. Heck there are some verified users getting 4.6+ on CPU-Zs website. Take them with a grain of salt, of course, but if true, wow.
@@koreymcintire3382 With a custom loop setup I think 4.6 all core with SMT on is possible, maybe some R20 runs, not P95, the current draw is simply too high.
I missed the comparison between the power consumption of these chips ;)
I just know that my 3700x is a 3800x, sometimes it overclocks it self to 4.45 GHZ. In blender doing work that sometime just uses 1 core the core often sticks at 4.4GHZ but sometimes it jumps 50mhz more.
I get the same on my 3700x it was first month release batches.
My 3800X boost too 4575 mhz and in many games that not use all cores 4425 mhz are the average.
Really interesting. I actually want to see a follow-up with the 3600 xt also compared, and further testing whether infinity fabric clocks differ between the 3 cpu batches.
I'd guess that the time for higher clocking 3600s has been and gone as they're binning for 3600XT now, not just 3600X.
Unless, of course, we've got to the point where there's negligible quality difference between all three?
Next video: 3600XT vs 3600X vs 3600 - a revisit of cost vs performance?
Was curious and bought a new 3600 for 166€. Got a week 22 model. I can do successful R20 runs @4525MHz with SET 1.34V / GET 1.312V. Anything above is unstable even with 1.42V. Will test for long-term stable now. Finally some OC fun with Ryzen. Looking forward to XT-release now :D
I have my 3600, which I purchased in November 2019, set to 4.175Ghz on both CCXs (they both OC to the same frequency) at 3.125V. I'm running it with an overkill EVGA 280 CLC so temps peak at 70C under gaming conditions.
I have a different experience. I bought r5 2600 at launch and my dad bought it in january 2020. On the same motherboard my chip can go to 4.1 GHz at 1.35V stable, and the other chip cant go above 3.9 GHz at sane voltages. Interesting, so it varies just between processors and silicon lottery
3.9 GHz at high voltage is extremely bad for Zen+, I have a random 2400G (Zen1 14nm despite the name) that does 4 GHz flat @1.31V absolutely stable. This is the same turd level of binning such as my first (early 2017) Ryzen 7 1700 that needed almost 1.4V for 3.7 GHz on a pretty decent board (did nothing wrong in retrospect - other sample did 3.9 GHz at lower voltage more stable).
4.1 GHz is pretty average for an early Zen+ if not above. I have also bought 2700X Anniversary in September 2019 (currently borrowed out) and it does 4.15 GHz at the voltages you described - also pretty average, but likely below for later production runs.
My 2600 has a hard time going above 4.0 no matter what I have tried.
I'd guess the 3600 isn't anywhere near the higher bins and if they have some if other changes aren't done they may be saving them for the xt varient. Hopefully it's more than binning but I doubt it
As I have said, it depends on lottery. I had r5 1500x with crappy asrock ab350m motherboard and it couldnt even support xmp 2400 mhz ram, it wouldnt post (even on the other motherboard). And on my current chip (2600), I tuned the memory which was rated 2666 to 3200 cl16, with before mentioned overclock and it works 100% stable.
A good approximation is, that the frequency raises power consumption linear, but voltage raises power consumption squared.
So lover voltage is great for efficiency.
The thought of either AMD or Intel actually having that one golden sample of a chip, then deliberately "amputate" it, for my lack of a better word, just to fill in the quota for segmentation makes me sad...
What's really interesting in his gaming charts is how the 3300x is almost hanging with the 3600 and beating it in a couple games.
My r5 3600 is stable at 4500 MHz all core with 1.35vcore. I can even undervolt to 1.30, but got less points in Cinebench r20
I'm stable with games, Cr20, prime95, OCCT, etc.. I bought it 3 weeks ago
Wow mine from 2019 (August) only does 4.2 at 1.38v
No expert here, but as mentioned you probably need around 20-30 CPUs of the same batch to get a somehow good overview of silicon quality. I think der8auer did a review of 20 or more same 10th gen. Intel CPUs and showed high the variation even in a single batch is.
What I would be interessed in, is whether or not the quality in OEM systems is lower than in the DIY market, since most OEM customers won't overclock the parts.
Been waiting on this as I own a 3600 but only purchased it a few months ago. What I will say is in triple A games I learned to leave it at stock with minor changes to power states. It sits at 4.2ghz the entire game at 54-64Oc on nothing but air. It will idle at as low as 29Oc . If I turn on PBO or try to add to boost clock it will bounce from 4.175 to 4.275.
I see a lot of people claiming their Ryzen CPU will do 4.5ghz+ at voltages lower than 1.3v. I have a hard time believing them.
I guess it kinda depends WHICH Ryzen CPU, considering that would be the stock boosting behavior for the 3800x, or below stock for the 3900x.
Bought mine a couple months ago. Currently running 4.45ghz@1.225v(Max Temp 64c), Can do stable 4.5ghz at 1.28v(Max Temp 70c). I just like the low temps at 4.45 its about 10 degrees cooler then stock. This is on a cheap air cooler, Arctic duo. I haven't tried anything above that because of all the different information online about safe voltages.
Why? Mine hits 4.5GHz at 1.280v. Here's the picture and the test with all the details also benchmarks from R15 and R20. i.imgur.com/U6enk29.png I can record a video if you want with everything set if you still don't believe it. Although I can't blame you as I was in disbelief in the first place.
Mine is running stable 4.6ghz @ 1.3v tested aida64 and gaming! It actually booted with 1.25v and was able to complete chinebench but didnt pass aida64 until i was @ 1.3v
@@GetOnMyHypeJP no one knows "safevoltages" lower the voltage is the lower C ur cpu will run thats it just dont go too crazy
Steve, did you guys pull the stepping numbers from CPUID to see if the layer masks had changed between the new and the old 3600? That would have been an interesting test. For instance if they revised the Base mask, then you know AMD made a pretty significant change to the processor, which may have included layout changes, as opposed to upper layer mask stepping changes, which would represent minor tweaks to production, but no logic changes.
Got my 3600 2 weeks ago and to be honest I'm not that fussed that they released a improved version. It's smashing all the games I've been playing medium settings on with my 2600k and that's what I upgraded for. Getting solid 1080p gaming with my rx580 8gb at 60fps
If you got your 3600 two weeks ago it's one of the new ones.
@@pf100andahalf I think he's mixing this up with the 3600xt
There isn't an "improved version." It's just *maybe* more mature silicon on the existing SKU.
@@pf100andahalf you can still win silicon lottery on less mature manufacturing
And that was just said in the video too. 3:00
Hmmm when I get my new cooler I'll be giving some OC love lol but need to find a new case because I can't fit a radiator type cooler in my current one
That’s awesome man. This is exactly the kind of stuff I want to know about. Ty!
Guess I haven’t thought much of this sort of change, glad to hear about it though
Thanks. Was looking for this kind of benches for long time. And 12°c is alot to consider.
I just bought a 3600 and is running 4.3 1.3 stable. I was a little confused as I read Reddit many people mentioned they had a hard time reaching 4.2. Then there are posts about reaching 4.4 and 4.5. This review was done just in time for me, I might test mine but 4.3 seems good enough for gaming so maybe later when I bored.
This is great honestly, 100mhz up with alot lower vcore. I would love to see 3800x, there are already 1.32v 4.5ghz all core prime stable for some time.
I would have liked to see Infinity Fabric clock-ability... as that's where we need better performance.
This content is pretty good, despite it coming from UA-cam.
This sounds similar to one of my hobbies, home audio. The amount of consumers claiming that one cable sounds better to another, being it speaker cable or interconnects based on vendors "claims of performance".
And don't forget the directional arrows to point the electrons for the power delivery into the right direction ;-)
Most hilarious to me are those cables for digital interfaces (f.e. HDMI or SPDIF) that are so strong that they could be used to pull a truck.
@@FutureChaosTV aahh yes. The arrows, magical elevation blocks and a battery stuck to the cable. Classic snake oil carry on haha
if your in usa and getting r5 3600 for $160 here in the uk we pay £160 on amazon. £160 converted to $ = $199. So if you paid $200 you are paying uk prices.
Interesting stuff. This channel has always been my go to before I say yes to new hardware.
I know you mentioned getting another round of those x570 posters. Just letting you know imma order one as soon as they're in stock again.
coming from the future, I have a 3600 which was made in the 36th week of 2022. I got it due to an RMA of a bad at idle chip (you can see the bluescreen issue with some of the 3600). this new chip boosts 4200 all cores all time at stock in games and 4100 using Aida64 and prime95, with lower temperature and voltages also. whereas the older chip couldn't even hit the 4000 mark, max out at 3975mhz in games and averages at 3900, even go lower in aida64 and Prime95. and as I see the reviews from 2019 I can see that all CPUs made at launch could not get higher than 4000.. so yes CPUs do get better by the time and it is better to wait a little after the launch of new CPU lineup to avoid instabilities.
This is insane. They could even make this a new CPU (like intel would make a 9900KS version) but they decided not to :o
You're right that you only have one CPU for each sample size, but if you think about it you actually have multiple chiplets in each CPU. If you try to overclock each chiplet separately you could get a sample size of ~6, of course the controller has a significant impact on chiplet performance, but it might still be interesting. You could compare the spread in chiplet performance for each CPU.
I just bought a 3600 and it should be in tomorrow. Got it from best buy as well, as it's the only place with a $200 price tag that doesn't take 3 weeks to ship. It should be in tomorrow and then I can get my new build set up.
My gf: "who is this man and who allows him to be on camera looking like that"
Me: "well, he is very good at his job"
He's tech jesus
what's wrong with him?
@@hellfire92837 Who was "jesus" really? Do you know that "jesus" was YAHWE in diguise?
Picked up a 3600 back in March has been running 4.5 GHZ @ 1.32v just fine + a noctua DH15. It will run 4.6GHZ but need 1.4V so I just backed it down to 4.5. No blue screens or crashes when playing games or video editing.
I’ve seen people think the copyright date means it was made in 2019 😂
Testing my newly setup R5 3600, I've been running Prime95 for the past 10min without issues @1,25v (1,21v real) and @4.4GHz. Quite happy so far, wasn't expecting much. The temp is on the high side 88 celsius using a NH-D15 Chromax, so I think I need to remount it, lol.
I got a 4.4 on all cores with just an Noctua NH-U12A air cooler @ 1.3v .... I could drop it to 1.25v ... however there was zero changes to cooling, etc.. so I left it having access to more juice.
I was able to boot 1.25v 4.6 ghz and complete chinebench r15 3 times! But failed aida64 ! Until 1.3v now running 4.6ghz stable @ 1.3 v
It's safe to say those who have the 2019 version of the chip in possession have indeed lost something. Temperatures and longevity. Seems significant to me
We really need a few old and new 3600s for this type of comparison to really have any value.
This is like playing high card, drawing two cards and then making claims about what's in an entire deck.
Thanks Steve, I found this to be really interesting content. I would also be curious to see the same done on the 3900x, a cpu more towards the top of the product stack, as opposed to one near the bottom, but I understand the $$ reasons why you wouldn't. It just seems to me, the chips more towards the top of the stack would be the most likely to reap the benefits of slightly better silicone. Am I wrong in this assumption?
high-end CPUs are already the "choice" silicon. You can tell how things are progressing from a MFG POV by looking at the cheaper offerings. As quality improves and demand remains high, higher-end silicon finds its way into the cheaper products. The odds of getting great silicon in the cheaper price points increases with time so if word on the street is that new CPUs are performing very well and you pick up a random one and it does, it's safe to say that for the most part the plant is producing mostly high-quality chips, which is to be expected, especially seeing how the 4xxx series is already in B0.
my 3600 is back ordered on amazon. makes me sad. got it for 178 bucks after tax.
It's sort of crazy how many things are on back order I tried buying new wheels for my car their on back order looked at other ones of the same size a solid 80% of the listing were out, think the SSD I was looking at was also out of stock too
Lol, poor Americans. In times of global pandemic, Central Europe seemingly reigns supreme ("It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." [actual Trump quote] my ass by the way).
Just got myself a 3600 from mindfactory.de for €155 < $174 (right now) after *19% tax* (
@@aoelpSo you saved $4 over your American counterpart and got a game that one could theoretically (not that I EVER would) torrent. What is your point? Your ramblings are superfluous and therefore I'm compelled to respond. I could mention an infamous German leader that may have said some questionable things in times past. Remind me; how many people has the coronavirus killed? How many Jews were killed by Nazis? Your silly game can be played by both sides. Lol, poor German.
@@aoelp In other news, internet commenters are still just as fucking annoying and rude today as they were last week.
4.2ghz all core on my R5-3600 is on 1.1v. I’m happy. Purchased about 2 months ago.
same.
I saw one R5 3600 do all cores 4.6Ghz @ 1.38V.
It passed R20 benchmark tho not sure if it's fully stable.
The silicon is from early 2020, 2008PGT batch I believe.
So at the end of the day, I think it's silicon lottery at work.
You could always get one super high quality silicon.
While other are just out right average.
My 6 month old 3600x will only do 4.3ghz at 1.35v on a 240mm AIO set to intake
Steve, I notice that the batch code (PGT) on your new R5-3600 indicates that it was made in Penang, Malaysia while it seems that most Ryzen CPUs are made in Suzhou, China with batch codes of "SUS" or "SUT". Could that have some impact on quality and/or performance?
Will you be doing tests for the 3700X as well? Want to know the difference especially in voltages.
First half of the video was making me upset that my new R5 3600 that just came was from 2019 but the benchmarks helped make me feel better. Paid 144$ for a new one on eBay, after my 3300x got delayed for the third time. After a couple hours of overclocking on a 240 AIO I settled for 4.3 all core at 1.4v and it stays 34 at idle, 64 in Warzone and 73 max looping cinebench r20.
Your voltage results are similar to how my new 3700x runs at the same frequencies -- above 4300 becomes spotty with much more voltage needed for marginal returns. I was able to get up to 4450 all core with the 3700x to run R20 to completion for a score of 5395. P95 heat would instantly crash it. Use CLC280 front feed. Keep it set at 4.3GHz with 1.3v set for a ~1.29x v reported and it's stable in the upper 60s under P95 max heat w/ fans capped to ~1600 RPM pull w/ 1200 RPM on push (RGBs not really for radiator pressures). It's an aesthetic config.
Maybe try undervolting both at stock speeds and measure power consumption/thermals. I think you had efficiency curves for CPUs in the past.
It's good to have a loot at this video, now I would love to see the this new retail chip put to Temp scaling before the new R5 3600XT to have the info and compare it.
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