From 2 wheels to 3, it does take some time to adjust. At time stamp 1:34 is where the access cover came off. It's not your fault. It wasn't locked down correctly. I suggest letting your Dad take the BRP riding class. I took mine back in Clarksville in 2020 and helped tremendously.
I noticed that later in the ride! I reviewed the video and went back to look for it! I never found it but Sloans just ordered up another. They’re a great shop! My dad has ridden one and likes it. He knows it’s an adjustment so he may well still go for it. I hope he does if it means he still rides!
First let me say that I am 76 yo and have been riding motorcycles and Can-Am reverse trikes for 66 years ( started on a 200 cc Zundapp Bella scooter when 10 yo and was solo riding my brother's BSA 500 and 650 twins when I was 14 yo ). I am still more than physically and mentally fit to ride motorcycles and am no stranger to FAST as my last two wheeler was a 2008 Kawasaki ZX14 Ninja that I liked just a little too much and sold in Sept., 2019 to buy my current used 2016 F3T Spyder. I have owned 56 two wheelers, two Spyders and my wife currently rides a totally automatic/ no shifting ( CVT ) 2021 Ryker 900 ( she is 70 yo and it is sort of mine also - lol ) so I feel I am qualified to make my comments. I am NOT directing my comments at "Anywhere Rider" in particular, but there are many of these "first ride" videos on YT. The first thing I have to say is that a Spyder or Ryker IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE AND SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED AS, OR TO ONE ! They are two totally different vehicles. The second thing I will say is a half hour ride or demo ride does not present one with a proper truthful evaluation of a Can-Am reverse trike, especially if one is a two wheeler rider. This actually applies to any vehicle. Such first impressions are rarely adequate and time is needed to get the real feel for these machines as you did mention yet most of your "evaluations" were "opinions". Then I notice in a lot of these types of "first ride impression" videos is that people are getting on them with no or little proper instruction of operation and knowledge about them. I hear so much misinformation, which is just a lack of understanding and knowledge. Stick to facts and less with the opinions to create true pictures. We all have various personal views. Misrepresentation of anything is simply negativity. There is a proper way to operate the "electric shift" paddle shift lever when up shifting or down shifting for smooth shifts, which you were NOT doing. A Spyder is not your manual Indian nor your automatic car. Test riders should have the knowledge to properly operate a vehicle before hitting the road even if quite simple in reality. It is safer that way and smarter. Another common Spyder/Ryker misperception is many feel like they are going to fall or be thrown off - that does NOT happen. Motorcycle riders are just use to an entirely different feel and method of operation. I know this from my own 66 years of riding motorcycles. How can you say the F3 has less "authority" off the line then your Indian Springfield ? The F3 and especially the Ryker 900 will smoke the rear tire if desired and possibly your Indian too as I did not see you really get into twisting the throttle once. I have owned an electric shift 2013 V-Twin RS model, and currently ride a 2016 F3T with MANUAL SHIFT ( same as a motorcycle ). Motorcycles and Spyders have their own pros and cons that are NOT the same.
Much of what you say here I agree with. I do state in the video that this is not a review. However, I think the video showing an experienced rider who jumps on a new machine does offer some education. Even if only to show reason to get a thorough walk through. I clearly didn’t have full knowledge of the Spyder and said so. But had I done so, there would be nothing learned from the viewers. It would simply be me riding a Spyder repeating the written specifications. I do appreciate your comments. Be safe out there
@@AnywhereRider You did state several times that this was your personal opinion and was just projecting your actual experience, however continually compared it to your Indian which is not remotely the same. Do you think you influenced your father's interest in a Spyder in a positive manner ? I understand what you and many others say and why, but once a negative thought is projected it is then cemented in many people's minds conscientiously or sub conscientiously. If I were to ride an Indian Chieftain ( which I am familiar with ) I can tell you that I personally would not like it ( does that offend you just a little bit ? ). Not because it is not a great motorcycle as it is, but simply because it would not work for my style of riding of a two wheeler. I love antique motorcycles like the original Indians and HD's but do not care for the modern cruiser styling ( I do like the big Indians nostalgic look ), nor the weight factor, handling characteristics, etc.. Not my bag based on these facts. I love Indian's flat track replica the FTR 1200 S and would love to own one. However, all I am asking is it fair to the Chieftain to project my personal feelings in the manner above ? I think not as they would come across more as bashing than educational. Those personal opinions should be kept to myself. You may have enjoyed the Spyder, or at least understood it better if more knowledgeable in it's proper operation. Some facts reflecting performance of both machines that you compare: Indian Chieftain - projected HP @90, 120 ft. lbs. torque, weighing about 823 pounds. Spyder F3 Ltd. HP @ 115, 95.9 ft. lbs. torque, weighing about 600 + pounds. Performance should be quite similar except twins normally produce more torque, but not by much in this case. Facts are important in certifying validity of statements. Just sayin' things should be kept real and factual with anything. There is enough negativity in this world already. I do understand and appreciate what you were trying to do but be aware of the results.
I rode big two wheelers for years, medical reasons forced me to give up riding my Harley Ultra Limited in 2019. Last November, I bought a 2022 Spyder RT Limited and it didn't take long for me to get the hang of it. Maybe because I hadn't ridden in 3 years, but I took right to it and am thrilled to be back in the wind.
I should have made the obvious conclusion about that in the video! My dad wants one because of two-up riding and weakening leg strength. That’s a totally legitimate reason to consider this. And for any hand problem that prevents the use of a traditional clutch. It makes sense. Can Am definitely has a market! And of course just for a different type of ride. There’s nothing like wind therapy to put life’s troubles in their place!
Its a auto down when brake is applied. The gears going up can been seen in dash and by looking at rpm's. It's a great bike. I would recommend doing the Can-Am class which was only 100$ ( here in Ca) It gives you better grasp of the abilities of the 3 different models.
I went from a Harley Street Glide to the 2022 Spyder F3S. After the 80 mile ride home, I felt very comfortable with the F3. The F3 is fast and will take the curves very well. I love my F3.
I’ve definitely heard that from several. No reason to doubt it. I’d be eager to try again, Especially if I could ride one with the modified sway bars. THAT sounds really fun!
Did you notice some of the same things I did at first? I felt like a total beginner. I think I made it harder than it was suppose to be. I expected a clutch and a manual shifter. When I was told I didn’t have a clutch, I tried to still actively shift, not knowing it wasn’t needed
It takes some getting used to. When you're shifting (up) you don't have to get out of the gas like on your motorcycle. Just hold the gas and push the plus button. This will make your transitions much smoother. Also, the Spyder will automatically downshift as you slow AND match revs. I go back and forth from 2 wheels (solo) to 3 wheels (with my wife) and trust me, it takes time to get used to. Once you know how it handles it gets really fun.
Also...the computer will "learn" your riding style and will shift smoother and smoother the more you ride it. Right off the lot...it's gonna feel clunky and awkward.
Thanks for watching and for the comments. Yours is the best explanation for instruction and for what I felt. Clunky and awkward was definitely what I felt. But I also know there are many riders that love them so I was obviously missing something. I wish I had this information before my ride! If nothing else, perhaps my honest video and your reply, people can get a better understanding. Much appreciated. Ride safe
I'd say you are very brave making a video on your very first experience! If you have it in ECO mode, the Spyder indicates when you should upshift. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy. I typically don't downshift manually unless I'm in the twisties...let the Spyder do it for you.
Brave or just simple! Hahaha! I realized it shifted automatically later in the ride but that was not told to me beforehand! Probably because they assumed I knew about it and also because it was cold outside!
I’ve been wanting to ride one of these myself. I will definitely consider a Spyder when I feel my 2-wheel days are numbered. My good friend, Smyrna Cowboy has one and I see he’s connected with your channel too. Ride safe and hurry up Spring. By the way, I noticed when the side panel came off. I was thinking that’s not good.
I can see by the response that there is a lot of buzz with them! And it makes sense. My dad was considering it because of his concerns for leg strength for two-up riding. And others have said similar concerns. I thought this was a small segment of Can-Am riders. But it appears to be a main market. It’s great that people have an alternative so they can ride on! …yeah. Smyrna Cowboy and I connected briefly. Discussed our upcoming ride. Looking forward to that. I haven’t stopped riding this winter. I bought heated gear so it’s slowed my roll a little but not completely! And next week I’m touring SoCal. That will make a great video for those interested in a sneak peek :)
I felt very similar, then I changed my mind after taking a 2 day class. Really helped my understanding. I wouldn't mess with that semi auto gear box. Get one with full automatic. They have a aftermarket fix for the mirrors
Unfortunately, Can Am does not offer a full auto option. I currently ride a Goldwing and it has the DCT transmission that you can ride in full auto or put in manual and shift with levers similar to Can Am. You can also change a gear manually but goes back to auto once it needs to. I wish the Syder had more modes like the Goldwing. Can am only has eco and normal. Goldwing has four modes. If Can Am came out with a DCT and Android auto I would have one right now.
There is a big difference in the heated grips between the F3 and the RT...F3 is on or off while the RT has several settings. As for leaning, I lean my body and hug the tank...makes a big difference.
My dad, who has ridden them before, did mention that to me. But it went right over my head until I went around a corner with any speed. It’s not as passive a ride as I imagined
Are you sure you ride an Indian ? Shift points are exactly the same. Push the steering instead of pulling feels different for about 3 minutes. You can still lean your body and weight the pegs in tight corners. Good luck stay safe
We are going to have to agree to disagree. The steering doesn’t feel the same. Mind you, I’m not saying it’s bad. But it isn’t the same. It’s more sensitive, quick, some might say sporty. All good things. But a two wheel bike doesn’t steer that way. It’s counter-steer, effectively leaning the bike, reducing the feel of centrifugal force. Not bad, just not the same
@@AnywhereRider I have ridden motorcycles since I was 5 yrs old I have ridden several can ams I agree they are different. But you still can shift and weight the foot pegs. Shift points are identical though. Stay safe
We have a 2022 spyder rt ltd , & have no issues with the mirrors. The bike shop should of told you how to ride it properly, as you don’t have to down shift manually as the bike will automatically change down under braking . My wife did the BRP course & said it helped her a lot! Only issue I had when I first rode it was keeping my foot off the brake pedal & hitting the kill switch by accident. But once your used to it their great fun!
I made an assumption, I’ll take the blame, that it wasn’t much to transition to. No clutch, no problem. But I learned that I had become automatic in the way I ride. So these differences were pronounced. Despite the shifting, I still find the flat cornering to be less than ideal. But it’s a preference only. I know plenty that disagree
We ride an RT LTD [touring bike], and there's definitely an adjustment/learning curve. This style is great for those of us who can't balance on 2 wheels - and has plenty of room for backpacks as well. I second the recommendation to take the Can AM class; your dad will learn a lot AND get 2 days' experience riding the bike.
Good thoughts! I wanted to be sure I wasn’t blaming Can Am for my adjustment period! But I did think it may be worth showing a little of my initial apprehension. My dad is concerned for his leg strength in the coming years so yeah, I’m with you there. There’s a market need with the Spyder
@@AnywhereRider I took the Can Am class with people who were transitioning from 2 wheels, and they had a lot of the same comments that you did. It's definitely a different feel. There are also wind "plates" that can be installed below the mirrors and lower. Those help in the summer, too. If your dad is in the southeast, tell him to check out the Spyder Rally in Maggie Valley, NC. It's in October. He can take group rides or just walk around and ask everyone questions. They're a really helpful group!
I have recently transitioned from a Victory Cross Country, so yea takes a bit. But the stability is great. My biggest thing is I keep looking for a clutch and front brake. LOL
I’m glad you backed me up a bit there. I felt like a complete noob! I’d be better now but it was an adjustment. Enjoy your new ride and thanks for the comment
First of all, you don't back off the throttle when you upshift. The bike downshifts on its own. After riding for almost 60 years, yes, the turning takes some getting used to since you don't lean but the stability, especially over railroad tracks is remarkable. The comfort is outstanding, and the ability to store two full face helmets inside and still have the side bags is a big plus. Yes, it's different to ride but doesn't take that long to get used to. I also like not being required to put down a kickstand when I park or my feet at a stoplight. Not sure what he's talking about being sluggish. It has adequate acceleration and can spin the back tire if you really get on it. I don't like you have to hit the "mode" button to get the bike in gear and if you don't put the parking brake on when you turn off the key it beeps. Other than those two minor issues, imy 2022 RT Spyder is a keeper. My mirrors don't vibrate so not sure what the issue is with this bike. By the way, the panel flew off at 1:34 in the video.
Thanks for the comments! I think I just wasn’t prepared for a different feel. Maybe I just thought semi auto equaled easy. And it was, but was surprised at that. I’ll give it another go soon, maybe as my dad gets around to getting his. He’s still shopping! Btw, I never found the panel. I searched where it came off…nothing!
Yeah, they could definitely improve that! I had know idea because I was distracted. I decided to leave it in as the most honest review/test I could offer
Congratulations on your first ride. It takes a minute to get used to steering, shifting, and inertia on turns. Took me about a week to get used to mine switching between it and my Street Glide. On those, it will automatically downshift around 1800 rpm, and you'll rarely have to do so manually.
The first thing I thought at the beginning was the right panel looked like it wasn't actually snapped and locked on right... guess I was right after it blew off, lol You aren't supposed to let up on the throttle when you shift... First time I road one, I didn't think I could get used to it, it was so dang weird feeling... but spent a lot of time on one and learned the differences in how to ride, then found I really liked them. Still sticking to two wheels for myself, but they are a lot of fun, when you learn to not ride it like a bike... treat the handlebar like a steering wheel, just let it do its own thing and do minor corrections.
Great thoughts. Like you, I’ll keep my two wheels for as long as possible. But if I don’t have to think one or the other, but BOTH, then that changes everything! Thanks for watching!
What year is this one? Well, you said 2022...I'm surprised at those mirrors...I thought they fixed that shaking issue. Lamonster Garage makes $25 mirror locks that are well worth the money.
It's not necessary to release the throttle when shifting...I remember my first ride and I didn't know that ahead of time...I was releasing it because that is what I did on two wheels ...later I realized that is not necessary at all.
The Idea to riding is to relaxing don't hold the steering tight the better the ride .if you turn to fast it will slow down automatically to keep you from flipping. Once you learn how to relax the better the ride. Think of it being sitting in the car holding. The stirring wheel. Your totally relax This is how you learn to ride the spider.
Relaxing is important. But I found relaxing very hard to do on the Spyder. As mentioned in the video, it would take some time for me to adjust. I’d enjoy it far more with a few more rides under my belt. Thanks for speaking up!
Someone should have explained to you what not to do,what to expect, That is thier falty.For not giving you the proper information if they gave a shit .You nevertheless send someone out on a new vehicle with out proper information how stupid can you be. If he gets Physical hurt it's on you ignorant ass. You know this is a bike that has special dynamics in handling. He could sue.
Sometimes feel weird shifting on bikes coz the rpm , if you're kind shifting on low speed you might hear that clunky sound but if you speed up it'll shifting nicely
Right! And I was educated recently by a viewer that the computer learns a riders style and begins to make changes also! I thought that was interesting and could impact the way it feels. Thanks for watching and for reaching out with the comment!
Funny though that I didn’t notice it. I was so distracted by the mirrors shaking as I was watching that keep behind me. The panel coming off isn’t a bad mark on Can Am but I kept it in there thinking it might keep someone aware of the possibility of they’re not careful to lock the panel.
At 1:34 I think you owe them a new right service panel😂😂! I think that part may have been scared of you. You may have had it in ECO mode is why you didn't feel much torque probably. You are correct in it takes a few days adjustment to it after riding 2 wheels especially the brake for me. Riding 2 up is where a huge difference shows. Enjoyed the video!
Thanks for the comment! LOL! Yeah, that panel jumped right off! Funny thing is I never found it!as for the ride, The stability for two up is a big benefit! If I were a passenger I would probably prefer it! So what made you transition from 2-3?
@@AnywhereRider Idiots on cell phones is the main reason. The spyder takes away a lot of the unsafe things that you have on a two wheel. Not having to worry about rider on the back, balance, shifting, braking and road condition all at once when someone swerves into you makes a much more relaxining ride for me. I do like things that are different as well and think the F3 I have is sporty looking. I live in California and would not have my wife ride with me if i was on 2 wheels out here. I also think you cant beat the comfort and storage they have. All those things kinda made it a no brainer for me. It took about a week to get use to the "clunk" of the shifting. Honestly after riding one for 5 years now, I will never ride 2 wheel again unless I have to. I do want to thank you as well for not bashing it like others sometimes do to get views or whatever. The Spyder isnt for everyone for sure, and i thought you did a good job of being honest without being negative!
@@MOABMAN I do appreciate your comments. It’s encouraging because people will sometimes misunderstand an opinion that doesn’t align with their own and be offended over it. I don’t hate the Spyder! I can certainly see the benefits as you point them out. You mentioned being different. That’s one of the reasons I looked at Indian over Harley. I just didn’t want the same as everyone else. So I give much respect to those that think for themselves, and have an opinion. Even if I don’t view it the same way! It makes the world a more colorful place! - California is a great place to ride. I enjoyed a 4 day trip in Feb. Rented and Indian Pursuit in San Diego and rode all over SoCal. Had a great time out there. People there often seem rushed and angry though. So taking all precautions make perfect sense! (The 5 and 15 are just NUTS) - thanks for watching and commenting. I’m glad you’re still out there riding!
@@AnywhereRider I completely avoid the 5 and 15 if at all possible. Our favorite day riding is up and down PCH 1. Beautiful coastline and decent traffic. If you get a chance take a ride on it. Again enjoyed the video and now a subscriber!
I’m glad you’ll be around for awhile! I got to enjoy a small slice of PCH. But my trip took me from Laguna Hills to Lake Elsinore. Great Ride, despite the fallen ROCKS! LOL. But PCH is on my LIST! Maybe I’ll hit you up for a ride when I’m out that way again!
I'll stick to my Springfield for now but an F3 would be better than a cage when the time comes that I forget to put a foot down at a stop sign. They are getting more popular every year. Out of the group I ride with (six or seven folks) four of them ride Can-Am's.
These were my thoughts too. But IDK, it doesn’t feel remotely the same to me. The shifting, the sound, the power. I guess there IS the wind….I guess I’m still reflecting on it.
I learned a lot on this test ride. At the end I started to realize this fact. It was an unusual situation where that would have been better explained if the salesperson had not sustained an injury and couldn’t walk me through those details. So it took me a bit longer :) but I thought it may prove helpful to show that just jumping on one, even if an experienced rider, isn’t necessarily the best idea. Two wheels and three are different!
Mine was an unusual circumstance. The young lady that did sales was recovering from an injury so she didn’t follow me outside to the bike. And I likely waived any help off anyway thinking anything automatic should be automatic. She gave me some pointers, some I heard (parking brake) and others I must not have paid attention to. So my mistake. So the test ride at least demonstrates that there are differences in these bikes and not to assume anything based on 2-wheel experience. :)
@@scottbilbrey8053 it may not be helpful to you or many. But I was surprised at how responsive the steering was. So when I turned my head, the bike responded immediately. So I drifted left when looking left. I didn’t have that happen with two wheel bikes. So it’s just a different feel
REALLY good idea as I can only imagine the perspective he heard about this ride! 😂 And before he tests, have him spend just five minutes talking to someone at the shop about how to ride the bike! Had that been done prior to this video being recorded, it would have been an entirely different video!
@sjtryon this was unique because the salesperson was injured and was unable to explain details. But don’t worry, my dad didn’t shy away from it because of my awkwardness
It only auto shifts down. That is why it's called a semi-auromatic. You have to shift up and keep on throttle. Don't let up like you do on a manual motorcycle.
LOL! That was crazy! I was so concerned that I did something to cause it! At least the store was cool about it. I never did find the panel when I went back to look.
Ok. So what’s the injustice? I didn’t claim this was a review or show Can Am to be bad in any way. I only pointed out that a motorcycle rider with two wheel skills only may have a time adjusting.
This guy needs some lessons before taking on such a bike! You do not need to manually downshift. The transmission does that for you. No one probably tried to teach him how he needs to lean into the turns! Get some lessons!
Yes, an explanation would have helped. I just didn’t have one. As I pointed out in the video, it takes an adjustment (and yes, a more thorough explanation would have helped) Leaning into the curves may be recommended, but centrifugal force is still at work. So the feeling of being thrown still applies at speed. The point I made throughout the video is that I was unfamiliar with the bike. I suggested getting familiar with it before making a transition from two wheels.
I think it’s also important to explain that the salesperson at the dealership was dealing with a leg injury during the time of this test ride. So she wasn’t able to do the typical pre-ride walk around. In the end though, despite my initial ignorance, I’m glad to show some misconceptions that some may have on a first test ride. I think it contributes to others being more informed.
I had a bit of a learning curve also, but I rode off nearly a full tank of gas that first night. In the end I rememberd my love of side-car racing in England during my years being stationed at RAF Mildenhall and then at RAF Woodbridge. Check some of those old side-car races, you'll like 'em!
From 2 wheels to 3, it does take some time to adjust. At time stamp 1:34 is where the access cover came off. It's not your fault. It wasn't locked down correctly. I suggest letting your Dad take the BRP riding class. I took mine back in Clarksville in 2020 and helped tremendously.
I noticed that later in the ride! I reviewed the video and went back to look for it! I never found it but Sloans just ordered up another. They’re a great shop! My dad has ridden one and likes it. He knows it’s an adjustment so he may well still go for it. I hope he does if it means he still rides!
First let me say that I am 76 yo and have been riding motorcycles and Can-Am reverse trikes for 66 years ( started on a 200 cc Zundapp Bella scooter when 10 yo and was solo riding my brother's BSA 500 and 650 twins when I was 14 yo ). I am still more than physically and mentally fit to ride motorcycles and am no stranger to FAST as my last two wheeler was a 2008 Kawasaki ZX14 Ninja that I liked just a little too much and sold in Sept., 2019 to buy my current used 2016 F3T Spyder. I have owned 56 two wheelers, two Spyders and my wife currently rides a totally automatic/ no shifting ( CVT ) 2021 Ryker 900 ( she is 70 yo and it is sort of mine also - lol ) so I feel I am qualified to make my comments. I am NOT directing my comments at "Anywhere Rider" in particular, but there are many of these "first ride" videos on YT. The first thing I have to say is that a Spyder or Ryker IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE AND SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED AS, OR TO ONE ! They are two totally different vehicles. The second thing I will say is a half hour ride or demo ride does not present one with a proper truthful evaluation of a Can-Am reverse trike, especially if one is a two wheeler rider. This actually applies to any vehicle. Such first impressions are rarely adequate and time is needed to get the real feel for these machines as you did mention yet most of your "evaluations" were "opinions". Then I notice in a lot of these types of "first ride impression" videos is that people are getting on them with no or little proper instruction of operation and knowledge about them. I hear so much misinformation, which is just a lack of understanding and knowledge. Stick to facts and less with the opinions to create true pictures. We all have various personal views. Misrepresentation of anything is simply negativity. There is a proper way to operate the "electric shift" paddle shift lever when up shifting or down shifting for smooth shifts, which you were NOT doing. A Spyder is not your manual Indian nor your automatic car. Test riders should have the knowledge to properly operate a vehicle before hitting the road even if quite simple in reality. It is safer that way and smarter. Another common Spyder/Ryker misperception is many feel like they are going to fall or be thrown off - that does NOT happen. Motorcycle riders are just use to an entirely different feel and method of operation. I know this from my own 66 years of riding motorcycles. How can you say the F3 has less "authority" off the line then your Indian Springfield ? The F3 and especially the Ryker 900 will smoke the rear tire if desired and possibly your Indian too as I did not see you really get into twisting the throttle once. I have owned an electric shift 2013 V-Twin RS model, and currently ride a 2016 F3T with MANUAL SHIFT ( same as a motorcycle ). Motorcycles and Spyders have their own pros and cons that are NOT the same.
Much of what you say here I agree with. I do state in the video that this is not a review. However, I think the video showing an experienced rider who jumps on a new machine does offer some education. Even if only to show reason to get a thorough walk through. I clearly didn’t have full knowledge of the Spyder and said so. But had I done so, there would be nothing learned from the viewers. It would simply be me riding a Spyder repeating the written specifications. I do appreciate your comments. Be safe out there
@@AnywhereRider You did state several times that this was your personal opinion and was just projecting your actual experience, however continually compared it to your Indian which is not remotely the same. Do you think you influenced your father's interest in a Spyder in a positive manner ? I understand what you and many others say and why, but once a negative thought is projected it is then cemented in many people's minds conscientiously or sub conscientiously. If I were to ride an Indian Chieftain ( which I am familiar with ) I can tell you that I personally would not like it ( does that offend you just a little bit ? ). Not because it is not a great motorcycle as it is, but simply because it would not work for my style of riding of a two wheeler. I love antique motorcycles like the original Indians and HD's but do not care for the modern cruiser styling ( I do like the big Indians nostalgic look ), nor the weight factor, handling characteristics, etc.. Not my bag based on these facts. I love Indian's flat track replica the FTR 1200 S and would love to own one. However, all I am asking is it fair to the Chieftain to project my personal feelings in the manner above ? I think not as they would come across more as bashing than educational. Those personal opinions should be kept to myself. You may have enjoyed the Spyder, or at least understood it better if more knowledgeable in it's proper operation. Some facts reflecting performance of both machines that you compare: Indian Chieftain - projected HP @90, 120 ft. lbs. torque, weighing about 823 pounds. Spyder F3 Ltd. HP @ 115, 95.9 ft. lbs. torque, weighing about 600 + pounds. Performance should be quite similar except twins normally produce more torque, but not by much in this case. Facts are important in certifying validity of statements. Just sayin' things should be kept real and factual with anything. There is enough negativity in this world already. I do understand and appreciate what you were trying to do but be aware of the results.
You lost that side panel at about 1:35 just after you pulled out of the parking lot.
I rode big two wheelers for years, medical reasons forced me to give up riding my Harley Ultra Limited in 2019. Last November, I bought a 2022 Spyder RT Limited and it didn't take long for me to get the hang of it. Maybe because I hadn't ridden in 3 years, but I took right to it and am thrilled to be back in the wind.
I should have made the obvious conclusion about that in the video! My dad wants one because of two-up riding and weakening leg strength. That’s a totally legitimate reason to consider this. And for any hand problem that prevents the use of a traditional clutch. It makes sense. Can Am definitely has a market! And of course just for a different type of ride. There’s nothing like wind therapy to put life’s troubles in their place!
Its a auto down when brake is applied. The gears going up can been seen in dash and by looking at rpm's. It's a great bike. I would recommend doing the Can-Am class which was only 100$ ( here in Ca) It gives you better grasp of the abilities of the 3 different models.
I went from a Harley Street Glide to the 2022 Spyder F3S. After the 80 mile ride home, I felt very comfortable with the F3. The F3 is fast and will take the curves very well. I love my F3.
I’ve definitely heard that from several. No reason to doubt it. I’d be eager to try again, Especially if I could ride one with the modified sway bars. THAT sounds really fun!
Did you notice some of the same things I did at first? I felt like a total beginner. I think I made it harder than it was suppose to be. I expected a clutch and a manual shifter. When I was told I didn’t have a clutch, I tried to still actively shift, not knowing it wasn’t needed
Anyone who is a regular ATV(4 wheeler) rider will feel natural on the Can Am right away.
I didn’t think about this angle! Good stuff
It takes some getting used to. When you're shifting (up) you don't have to get out of the gas like on your motorcycle. Just hold the gas and push the plus button. This will make your transitions much smoother. Also, the Spyder will automatically downshift as you slow AND match revs. I go back and forth from 2 wheels (solo) to 3 wheels (with my wife) and trust me, it takes time to get used to. Once you know how it handles it gets really fun.
Also...the computer will "learn" your riding style and will shift smoother and smoother the more you ride it. Right off the lot...it's gonna feel clunky and awkward.
Thanks for watching and for the comments. Yours is the best explanation for instruction and for what I felt. Clunky and awkward was definitely what I felt. But I also know there are many riders that love them so I was obviously missing something. I wish I had this information before my ride! If nothing else, perhaps my honest video and your reply, people can get a better understanding. Much appreciated. Ride safe
Hey just lost your cover entering the what is it a freeway? The right side just blew off.. I happen to be looking down and I know I Saul it flying off
It does take some getting used to in the turns...but once you get the hang of it, it's great!
I'd say you are very brave making a video on your very first experience! If you have it in ECO mode, the Spyder indicates when you should upshift. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy. I typically don't downshift manually unless I'm in the twisties...let the Spyder do it for you.
Brave or just simple! Hahaha! I realized it shifted automatically later in the ride but that was not told to me beforehand! Probably because they assumed I knew about it and also because it was cold outside!
@@AnywhereRider 🤗 😁
I have an RT limited. The transmission really likes 4200-4700 rpm for the up shift. Eco likes 22-2300
Biggest difference with steering is pull rather than push. I take turns fast and throw my weight to keep the inside wheel down.
I’ve been wanting to ride one of these myself. I will definitely consider a Spyder when I feel my 2-wheel days are numbered. My good friend, Smyrna Cowboy has one and I see he’s connected with your channel too. Ride safe and hurry up Spring. By the way, I noticed when the side panel came off. I was thinking that’s not good.
I can see by the response that there is a lot of buzz with them! And it makes sense. My dad was considering it because of his concerns for leg strength for two-up riding. And others have said similar concerns. I thought this was a small segment of Can-Am riders. But it appears to be a main market. It’s great that people have an alternative so they can ride on! …yeah. Smyrna Cowboy and I connected briefly. Discussed our upcoming ride. Looking forward to that. I haven’t stopped riding this winter. I bought heated gear so it’s slowed my roll a little but not completely! And next week I’m touring SoCal. That will make a great video for those interested in a sneak peek :)
I felt very similar, then I changed my mind after taking a 2 day class. Really helped my understanding. I wouldn't mess with that semi auto gear box. Get one with full automatic. They have a aftermarket fix for the mirrors
Thanks for the info. I went into the ride with no prior knowledge or training so I was definitely RAW! Thanks also for watching
Unfortunately, Can Am does not offer a full auto option.
I currently ride a Goldwing and it has the DCT transmission that you can ride in full auto or put in manual and shift with levers similar to Can Am. You can also change a gear manually but goes back to auto once it needs to.
I wish the Syder had more modes like the Goldwing. Can am only has eco and normal. Goldwing has four modes.
If Can Am came out with a DCT and Android auto I would have one right now.
There is a big difference in the heated grips between the F3 and the RT...F3 is on or off while the RT has several settings. As for leaning, I lean my body and hug the tank...makes a big difference.
My dad, who has ridden them before, did mention that to me. But it went right over my head until I went around a corner with any speed. It’s not as passive a ride as I imagined
@@AnywhereRider 😁 live and learn!
At 1:35 l saw that panel fly off...wasnt put in properly...😊
Are you sure you ride an Indian ? Shift points are exactly the same. Push the steering instead of pulling feels different for about 3 minutes. You can still lean your body and weight the pegs in tight corners. Good luck stay safe
We are going to have to agree to disagree. The steering doesn’t feel the same. Mind you, I’m not saying it’s bad. But it isn’t the same. It’s more sensitive, quick, some might say sporty. All good things. But a two wheel bike doesn’t steer that way. It’s counter-steer, effectively leaning the bike, reducing the feel of centrifugal force. Not bad, just not the same
@@AnywhereRider I have ridden motorcycles since I was 5 yrs old
I have ridden several can ams I agree they are different. But you still can shift and weight the foot pegs. Shift points are identical though. Stay safe
We have a 2022 spyder rt ltd , & have no issues with the mirrors. The bike shop should of told you how to ride it properly, as you don’t have to down shift manually as the bike will automatically change down under braking . My wife did the BRP course & said it helped her a lot!
Only issue I had when I first rode it was keeping my foot off the brake pedal & hitting the kill switch by accident. But once your used to it their great fun!
I made an assumption, I’ll take the blame, that it wasn’t much to transition to. No clutch, no problem. But I learned that I had become automatic in the way I ride. So these differences were pronounced. Despite the shifting, I still find the flat cornering to be less than ideal. But it’s a preference only. I know plenty that disagree
We ride an RT LTD [touring bike], and there's definitely an adjustment/learning curve. This style is great for those of us who can't balance on 2 wheels - and has plenty of room for backpacks as well. I second the recommendation to take the Can AM class; your dad will learn a lot AND get 2 days' experience riding the bike.
Good thoughts! I wanted to be sure I wasn’t blaming Can Am for my adjustment period! But I did think it may be worth showing a little of my initial apprehension. My dad is concerned for his leg strength in the coming years so yeah, I’m with you there. There’s a market need with the Spyder
@@AnywhereRider I took the Can Am class with people who were transitioning from 2 wheels, and they had a lot of the same comments that you did. It's definitely a different feel. There are also wind "plates" that can be installed below the mirrors and lower. Those help in the summer, too.
If your dad is in the southeast, tell him to check out the Spyder Rally in Maggie Valley, NC. It's in October. He can take group rides or just walk around and ask everyone questions. They're a really helpful group!
I drove para transit buses for over 17 years so the turning radius will be easy for me to get used to. Should be fun! 😁
Hahahaha!
LOL omg one of the panels blew off in the beginning!!
I have recently transitioned from a Victory Cross Country, so yea takes a bit. But the stability is great. My biggest thing is I keep looking for a clutch and front brake. LOL
I’m glad you backed me up a bit there. I felt like a complete noob! I’d be better now but it was an adjustment. Enjoy your new ride and thanks for the comment
You lost an access panel at about 1:30.
First of all, you don't back off the throttle when you upshift. The bike downshifts on its own. After riding for almost 60 years, yes, the turning takes some getting used to since you don't lean but the stability, especially over railroad tracks is remarkable. The comfort is outstanding, and the ability to store two full face helmets inside and still have the side bags is a big plus. Yes, it's different to ride but doesn't take that long to get used to. I also like not being required to put down a kickstand when I park or my feet at a stoplight. Not sure what he's talking about being sluggish. It has adequate acceleration and can spin the back tire if you really get on it. I don't like you have to hit the "mode" button to get the bike in gear and if you don't put the parking brake on when you turn off the key it beeps. Other than those two minor issues, imy 2022 RT Spyder is a keeper. My mirrors don't vibrate so not sure what the issue is with this bike. By the way, the panel flew off at 1:34 in the video.
Thanks for the comments! I think I just wasn’t prepared for a different feel. Maybe I just thought semi auto equaled easy. And it was, but was surprised at that. I’ll give it another go soon, maybe as my dad gets around to getting his. He’s still shopping! Btw, I never found the panel. I searched where it came off…nothing!
1:31 oh no!!! What happened to that cover that falls off 2 seconds later!?
I never did find it! But the dealership was cool about it and just ordered another. Good people!
I wana know what they said about the missing panel when you got back lol
Great question. They gave me grace and just ordered another. Pretty cool if them
Noticed the cover flew off as well. For a sec I thought you lost a glove then realized what it was. They did make those secure poorly.
Yeah, they could definitely improve that! I had know idea because I was distracted. I decided to leave it in as the most honest review/test I could offer
Congratulations on your first ride. It takes a minute to get used to steering, shifting, and inertia on turns. Took me about a week to get used to mine switching between it and my Street Glide. On those, it will automatically downshift around 1800 rpm, and you'll rarely have to do so manually.
Hey, thanks! That first one was a bit of an adventure! But that’s where the fun is!
The first thing I thought at the beginning was the right panel looked like it wasn't actually snapped and locked on right... guess I was right after it blew off, lol
You aren't supposed to let up on the throttle when you shift...
First time I road one, I didn't think I could get used to it, it was so dang weird feeling... but spent a lot of time on one and learned the differences in how to ride, then found I really liked them. Still sticking to two wheels for myself, but they are a lot of fun, when you learn to not ride it like a bike... treat the handlebar like a steering wheel, just let it do its own thing and do minor corrections.
Great thoughts. Like you, I’ll keep my two wheels for as long as possible. But if I don’t have to think one or the other, but BOTH, then that changes everything! Thanks for watching!
What year is this one? Well, you said 2022...I'm surprised at those mirrors...I thought they fixed that shaking issue. Lamonster Garage makes $25 mirror locks that are well worth the money.
Yep, 2022! Glad to know there are other mirror options. That was bugging me. Thanks for watching and for the comment :)
@@AnywhereRider you're welcome! Is your dad going to be taking a test ride too?
@@PurpleOnThree I don’t know if there are placed for him to take them in West Virginia. But I know that others have given him advice that I didn’t
Is is missing a cover on the RT side of the tank
Yeah, it came off early in the ride. I discovered it later
It's not necessary to release the throttle when shifting...I remember my first ride and I didn't know that ahead of time...I was releasing it because that is what I did on two wheels ...later I realized that is not necessary at all.
At least everyone now knows my video is authentic! Glad to know I’m not the only one who made the simple stuff hard
@@AnywhereRider 🤗💜
One of the first mods to do that improves stability is a Baja Ron sway bar...makes a world of difference!
I’d love to try again with one that’s modified! I hate being a novice at anything! Lol
@@AnywhereRider hey, there's a learning curve with anything!
@Lance Goodthrust it would be nice!
Hey anywhere rider, I went back and reviewed your footage and noticed that panel came off right after you left the dealer, in case you didn’t see it!
Thanks! I did notice it later in the ride. I went back to try to find it but with no luck. Sloans was good to reorder a new one
The Idea to riding is to relaxing don't hold the steering tight the better the ride .if you turn to fast it will slow down automatically to keep you from flipping. Once you learn how to relax the better the ride. Think of it being sitting in the car holding. The stirring wheel. Your totally relax This is how you learn to ride the spider.
Relaxing is important. But I found relaxing very hard to do on the Spyder. As mentioned in the video, it would take some time for me to adjust. I’d enjoy it far more with a few more rides under my belt. Thanks for speaking up!
Someone should have explained to you what not to do,what to expect, That is thier falty.For not giving you the proper information if they gave a shit .You nevertheless send someone out on a new vehicle with out proper information how stupid can you be. If he gets Physical hurt it's on you ignorant ass. You know this is a bike that has special dynamics in handling. He could sue.
Sometimes feel weird shifting on bikes coz the rpm , if you're kind shifting on low speed you might hear that clunky sound but if you speed up it'll shifting nicely
Right! And I was educated recently by a viewer that the computer learns a riders style and begins to make changes also! I thought that was interesting and could impact the way it feels. Thanks for watching and for reaching out with the comment!
There goes the cover on the right side flying off
Kinda crazy that I could never find it. Seemed easy enough, but nope…just vanished
@AnywhereRider even if you did it would have been severely scratched up from the asphalt. I immediately saw it was not secured....
I hope the panel was found...
I went back for it and it wasn’t there the next day. But Sloans was awesome. They just said don’t worry about it, another is on its way. Very cool
@@AnywhereRider that was great they were like that ..I saw where it came off and someone probably ran over it😁
Funny though that I didn’t notice it. I was so distracted by the mirrors shaking as I was watching that keep behind me. The panel coming off isn’t a bad mark on Can Am but I kept it in there thinking it might keep someone aware of the possibility of they’re not careful to lock the panel.
At 1:34 I think you owe them a new right service panel😂😂! I think that part may have been scared of you. You may have had it in ECO mode is why you didn't feel much torque probably. You are correct in it takes a few days adjustment to it after riding 2 wheels especially the brake for me. Riding 2 up is where a huge difference shows. Enjoyed the video!
Thanks for the comment! LOL! Yeah, that panel jumped right off! Funny thing is I never found it!as for the ride, The stability for two up is a big benefit! If I were a passenger I would probably prefer it! So what made you transition from 2-3?
@@AnywhereRider Idiots on cell phones is the main reason. The spyder takes away a lot of the unsafe things that you have on a two wheel. Not having to worry about rider on the back, balance, shifting, braking and road condition all at once when someone swerves into you makes a much more relaxining ride for me. I do like things that are different as well and think the F3 I have is sporty looking. I live in California and would not have my wife ride with me if i was on 2 wheels out here. I also think you cant beat the comfort and storage they have. All those things kinda made it a no brainer for me. It took about a week to get use to the "clunk" of the shifting. Honestly after riding one for 5 years now, I will never ride 2 wheel again unless I have to. I do want to thank you as well for not bashing it like others sometimes do to get views or whatever. The Spyder isnt for everyone for sure, and i thought you did a good job of being honest without being negative!
@@MOABMAN I do appreciate your comments. It’s encouraging because people will sometimes misunderstand an opinion that doesn’t align with their own and be offended over it. I don’t hate the Spyder! I can certainly see the benefits as you point them out. You mentioned being different. That’s one of the reasons I looked at Indian over Harley. I just didn’t want the same as everyone else. So I give much respect to those that think for themselves, and have an opinion. Even if I don’t view it the same way! It makes the world a more colorful place! - California is a great place to ride. I enjoyed a 4 day trip in Feb. Rented and Indian Pursuit in San Diego and rode all over SoCal. Had a great time out there. People there often seem rushed and angry though. So taking all precautions make perfect sense! (The 5 and 15 are just NUTS) - thanks for watching and commenting. I’m glad you’re still out there riding!
@@AnywhereRider I completely avoid the 5 and 15 if at all possible. Our favorite day riding is up and down PCH 1. Beautiful coastline and decent traffic. If you get a chance take a ride on it. Again enjoyed the video and now a subscriber!
I’m glad you’ll be around for awhile! I got to enjoy a small slice of PCH. But my trip took me from Laguna Hills to Lake Elsinore. Great Ride, despite the fallen ROCKS! LOL. But PCH is on my LIST! Maybe I’ll hit you up for a ride when I’m out that way again!
I'll stick to my Springfield for now but an F3 would be better than a cage when the time comes that I forget to put a foot down at a stop sign. They are getting more popular every year. Out of the group I ride with (six or seven folks) four of them ride Can-Am's.
These were my thoughts too. But IDK, it doesn’t feel remotely the same to me. The shifting, the sound, the power. I guess there IS the wind….I guess I’m still reflecting on it.
I can see a few benefits. No puddles to think about at stop lights. No slow speed turning issues. Two-up riding when leg strength is a concern.
You don't have to Down shift It automatically Downs,shift for you
I realized this too late!
I have the same can am!!
Idk about that year but the new ones downshift themselves.
I learned a lot on this test ride. At the end I started to realize this fact. It was an unusual situation where that would have been better explained if the salesperson had not sustained an injury and couldn’t walk me through those details. So it took me a bit longer :) but I thought it may prove helpful to show that just jumping on one, even if an experienced rider, isn’t necessarily the best idea. Two wheels and three are different!
@@AnywhereRider very nice! 💯🦾🙏😎
If you had a leg injury and were told you could never ride a motorcycle again, you’d learn to “live” with a Can Am.
Yes I would. I don’t look down on anyone that does ride Can Am. Three wheel isn’t my preference but I can still find plenty to enjoy in the ride!
Didn't they tell you you didn't have to down shift and only had to upshift
Mine was an unusual circumstance. The young lady that did sales was recovering from an injury so she didn’t follow me outside to the bike. And I likely waived any help off anyway thinking anything automatic should be automatic. She gave me some pointers, some I heard (parking brake) and others I must not have paid attention to. So my mistake. So the test ride at least demonstrates that there are differences in these bikes and not to assume anything based on 2-wheel experience. :)
You lost a cover plate on the right hand side once you turned on to the Main Street.
Thanks, but you didn’t watch the remainder of the video. It was discussed, although never found
Don’t drop the throttle when shifting.
I’ll have to give it another try. I do think I made it much harder than it was. My expectation was to treat it as a manual shift without a clutch.
The part blew off around the 1:33 mark. 😮
Thanks for watching. But you probably stopped watching at 1:34 :)
@@AnywhereRider LOL
@@OntarioAndrews415 glad you have a sense of humor! Lol
Why do these people think an automatic transmission will stall out? Does your car stall out? Can am spyder is an automatic
The thing is I didn’t know that on the ride. I learned it near the end. (These people …is just me)
@@AnywhereRider it's all good!
For sure! No hard feelings. I definitely felt like a newb! Not having a clutch blew my mind!
@Anywhere Rider I'm looking to get one soon any advice
@@scottbilbrey8053 it may not be helpful to you or many. But I was surprised at how responsive the steering was. So when I turned my head, the bike responded immediately. So I drifted left when looking left. I didn’t have that happen with two wheel bikes. So it’s just a different feel
losing that cover is gonna cost ya
It would have but the dealership was very cool about it
I suggest letting your dad test ride an RT LIMITED. SPYDER
Yeah, those look good. He is planning that very thing!
REALLY good idea as I can only imagine the perspective he heard about this ride! 😂
And before he tests, have him spend just five minutes talking to someone at the shop about how to ride the bike! Had that been done prior to this video being recorded, it would have been an entirely different video!
@sjtryon this was unique because the salesperson was injured and was unable to explain details. But don’t worry, my dad didn’t shy away from it because of my awkwardness
I can't believe he did not see that panle f ly off at the beginning
I can tell you honestly I didn’t. I was watching the keep behind me through shaking mirrors
It's auto shift up and down....
It took a while but I finally realized that! Lol
It only auto shifts down. That is why it's called a semi-auromatic. You have to shift up and keep on throttle. Don't let up like you do on a manual motorcycle.
I just about died when part of the bike fell off.
LOL! That was crazy! I was so concerned that I did something to cause it! At least the store was cool about it. I never did find the panel when I went back to look.
I agree, you are a novice and it shows. You have done the Spyder an injustice.
Relax dude, I spoke clearly about my lack of skills. Not pretending to be a hero
@@AnywhereRider I'm relaxed, dude.
Ok. So what’s the injustice? I didn’t claim this was a review or show Can Am to be bad in any way. I only pointed out that a motorcycle rider with two wheel skills only may have a time adjusting.
@@AnywhereRider relax dude, let it go.
This guy needs some lessons before taking on such a bike! You do not need to manually downshift. The transmission does that for you. No one probably tried to teach him how he needs to lean into the turns! Get some lessons!
Yes, an explanation would have helped. I just didn’t have one. As I pointed out in the video, it takes an adjustment (and yes, a more thorough explanation would have helped) Leaning into the curves may be recommended, but centrifugal force is still at work. So the feeling of being thrown still applies at speed. The point I made throughout the video is that I was unfamiliar with the bike. I suggested getting familiar with it before making a transition from two wheels.
I think it’s also important to explain that the salesperson at the dealership was dealing with a leg injury during the time of this test ride. So she wasn’t able to do the typical pre-ride walk around. In the end though, despite my initial ignorance, I’m glad to show some misconceptions that some may have on a first test ride. I think it contributes to others being more informed.
I had a bit of a learning curve also, but I rode off nearly a full tank of gas that first night. In the end I rememberd my love of side-car racing in England during my years being stationed at RAF Mildenhall and then at RAF Woodbridge. Check some of those old side-car races, you'll like 'em!
@@jameskea1947 that does sound interesting! I’ll check some out