I agree but then I wonder if the UFC will collapse after that. Fighter will get payed more and fight less. And be able to leave and find other organizations and then no more UFC
@@appledough3843amazing fights will happen either way and the fighters will be able to afford health care and all that would happen is the UFC does not own the monopoly on it alll
@@appledough3843the UFC won't collapse. Organizations that share 50% of its revenue like the NFL and NBA don't collapse, so the UFC would be just fine
@@hollowpoint8261 That’s a good point. But I worry the quality and or quantity of good fights will go down and it’ll be another boxing situation where the best don’t fight the best. Only having an occasional good year here and there. Why should fighters fight difficult fights or fight more than once a year if they get some serious cash?
Yeah its crazy how they only cover the injuries happening during the fight even though these guys go through 8-10 week camps where injuries are far more frequent than in a 15 minute fight
To a degree, but UFC also pays more bottom heavy. Most boxers only win an average of $500 to $3000 their first 10 to 15 fights, while they win between $5000 to $15000 after that. Keep in mind these numbers are blown up by guys like Ryan and Tank and Devin, who are earning millions by fight 20. Your starting pay at UFC is usually $2000 to $5000 per fight, while you could be fitting 4 times a year if you can sell your image to win Dana's favor. Even as a boxer, selling the image is what gets you bigger checks and fights. Also I'll say 80% of boxers quite hy fight 15, whole 3/4 of the remaining 20% are largely used as body bags tp make stars shine. Only the top 15 ranked boxers at each category can make a living off boxing, but eveb then, its the Top 5 who make big money. Are UFC fighters underpaid? Absolutely, but let's not pretend like everybody in boxing is making even close to $40k a year. If you take out the Top 20 boxers at each weight class, the average boxer makes MAYBE $2000 per fight.
@@DerEinzigeGrendelZug Ufc is like the NBA. Its the premiere league. In boxing, its equivalent to Top Rank promotions, Matchroom, and Queensberry. Try to compare them to other boxing promotional outfits not the entire sports because their are even more underpaid mma fighters outside of ufc.
Nah UFC sold..Ronda Rousey..Connor McGregor... Sage northcutt ..and khabib...the UFC sells white fighters but never sold the goats.. Anderson Silva...Jon Jones...and mighty mouse because they are blk
Dana goes and gambles millions of dollars and gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to social media influences, but it is a pain in his ass to up the bonuses of his fighters who makes him his money. Pathetic hypocrite 🤣
@@mr.terrible7415 yeah do u know his story? He’s also the CEO. He gets salary, the revenue the UFC makes goes to various expenses and the profits goes to the owners through dividends every year and the owners are anyone who bought UFC shares on the stock exchange.
@@mr.terrible7415 he works harder and more efficiently than you and I combined. Learn how millionaires live and work before you judge them. Their life revolves around work. They can do in 1 day what it takes me a year. you dont want a life like that. Instead of being jealous, be appreciative of the benefits they provide to lazy people like you
Khan earned total of 11 million including the ppv buys in the backend pay. Canelo made north of 20 million for that fight. The boxing purses are only the guarantees, the ppv on the backend are usually more ridiculous
If Turki Alalshikh decided to make a new MMA Organization with what’s he’s doing right now with boxing he would put Dana White and the UFC on a choke hold
@@thateki no one said about a “nobody getting a million dollar paycheck” and for who there is well, anyone known or coming up stars from small or big organizations you think UFC fighters are going to be loyal to Dana
I cant imagine a fight company being successful with UFC retirees. Maybe it catches on and they can get some fresh talent, but I don't see it happening.
UFC Alumni works, especially if they're underrated guys who left or got cut due to things outside of being on a big losing streak. But you're right, there's no way people will wanna see the corpses and shadows of these former legends fight consistently. The GFL's roster would've been lethal in 2011
@mamster233 alot of the biggest names in GFL even in 2015 had taken so much damage. People were begging Wanderlei to retire, Mir didn't need to continue.
It's because 99% of fighters are easily replaceable with someone cheaper, younger and hungry willing to fight for 12/12. They could unionize but the fighters w money have no incentive to do so and block efforts every time.
yea UFC fighters need to realize their worth. They go out there and fight like crazy having high chances of getting CTE and they're only worth $15,000 dollars at most. Besides that, since Dana controls the organization, he decides when you deserve a title shot or spotlight on the card. This is why i dont watch ufc anymore or support it.
boxing gives all the ppv money to the fighters but ufc fighter get a cut not all so the super stars like alex only got like 2m which is alot but unlike tyson who got 100m
All you can do is sell your name as best you can. If you don't have a name in the UFC, get paid 10-15k and on average you fight 2x a year, If you already have a name but not too interesting like Aljo & Hill you can get more than 100k, if you are at superstar level like Pereira, McGregor, Khabib you can get above 500.000
Nah McGregor would make canelo money lol. Still felt like he shouldve got more too. But if he came back now Jesus.. probably would get 60 million easy due to how famous he is right now. Honestly he's more known then canelo which is crazy, has like double the amount of followers on Instagram too then canelo
Short answer UFC a company (Brand) with different departments HR, Media, clothing. In boxing boxers are the brand it’s a one night event , Or as Dana says a “going out of business ”. After the fights what ever money is made is split between promoter,fighters,and mangers. There no need to leave money for other departments like if it was a company.
Plus the only reason boxing events are happening is because Saudi Arabia is sports washing, we will see in 20 years once Saudi is no longer putting these events on how dry boxing becomes again.
@pubg-blsy3352 Boxing is what Mexicans and African-Americans watch they don't like watching UFC where they hug around the mat. Boxing is the sweet science it's only rival is Greco-Roman & Folkstyle wrestling and its funny because ufc fighters with that background dominate.
I do think there should be a middle ground. Boxers are paid so much to the point they can slack around and not focus on top opposition. On the other hand I think ufc fighters need to be paid more so they can focus solely on the sport.
@@ZyThomas-l4vExactly. Never got the argument of paying someone less to encourage them. Like paying someone good is 90% of the time a good thing. You will still have fighters who want to earn more and encouranging someone to fight by paying them less is definetly bad
@@thomassantino392 who are we to tell other people when they should and shouldn’t fight ? U act like this is a normal job they risk their lives and health you should only go in there when u feel like it only people with no concern for others safety only say things like this
Wait, wait, wait, I heard that Francis dropped the bag when he left the UFC, what happened? At least that is what Dana bootlickers said, they claimed Francis was a fool and he is afraid of Jones. Best decision of his life, he got over 30 million in boxing.
Meanwhile the worst decision the PFL ever made, and the worst decision for any PFL fighters other than Francis & his opponent. Francis is the bankrupter of the PFL. The PFL are now refusing to offer fights to their former Bellator fighters now because they can’t afford to pay them.
@@jonniesthank you bro. They bankrupt themselves to give special privileges to ONE man that fights BARELY once a year. The original comment said he doesn’t like Dana or that people who support him are bootlickers. Idk who’s gonna be the first to say it but Dana runs every other promotion into the ground. A lot of people would’ve said khabib is a better man than Dana, well khabib tried to start a promotion. He took everyone’s money, went bankrupt and fled the country 😂 Dana is doing alright in the grand scheme of things
@@BearWhoWrestledKhabiband when he was already 200mill in the hole, he went and bought bellator and then gave francis a ludicrous contract. Pfl not only killed itself but bellator which was doing well by itself. Coker shouldn’t have let it go tbh
I think ufc/mma is taking the olympic sport approach in regards where you compete at the highest level and rewarded pretty minimally in terms of monetary rewards but the exposure and clout you get opens endorsement deals. Guess we’ll have to wait for a post - dana world to see if anything changes lol
@@SpidaMMAdana is the president, not the ceo of the ufc. boxing doesn't have these really expensive ppvs. their champs don't fight as much so there is a good build up.
I knew individual boxers held real power when Deontay Wilder held one of his title defenses within his state of Alabama. It's a way of giving back money to the community.
here is the thing that you don't wanna here in 50's before the ali era boxing fights were organized and run by the organizations and belt federations but since Ali from the late 70's boxing fights are organized by promoters
I don’t even watch boxing but realistically it has been mainstream way longer than MMA. Gaethje said he got 400k for the Khabib’s fight. (I believe every title fight should be no less than one million) but to be honest, what average joe knows Gaethje? I can kinda see both sides
@@Ncloudwhat a dumb comment. Unbelievably ignorant. How long has boxing been a gargantuan industry? Yeah? And since when has UFC been big enough to pay even anything comparable? Since Connor. You should try and use the thing between your ears.
Boxing is aight but I LOOOVE ufc n mma I love the anticipation of a good old knock down drag out street brawl plus the kicks n submissions it’s like your getting more variety boxing bores me out
Boxers are more refined they know the sweet science at the highest level. UFC is just roided up rooster fights in a cage. A true street fight people wear shoes they don't walk in barefoot and with booty shorts like in ufc.
The pay gap between top boxers and UFC fighters is staggering, and Dana White is at the center of it. Boxers like Mayweather, Canelo, and Pacquiao earn massive sums because they control their own purses, while UFC fighters get a fraction of that. White and the UFC take a huge cut of the revenue, leaving fighters, some of the best in the world, with a small share. Even stars like McGregor, GSP, and Khabib never came close to what boxers make. Dana White has built an empire on the backs of fighters, but it’s at their expense. Promoters should not be making more than the athletes.
You guys don’t understand the UFC needs the fighters pay to give to the nelk boys for there birthday party. Sad how many people can’t understand how charitable Dana is. SMH
"He only made 4 million dollars in all his UFC fights combined" xD. If I could say the same about 4 decades as a scientist, Id be actually really happy.
difference is that UFC made more off of him. Why do you think Shohei Ohtani got a $700 million dollar contract? Dodgers gave it to him because they know they'll be making that $700 million back easily from South Korea and Japan. Shohei know his worth and got paid for it. Francis did the same thing too. 2 boxing fights and bank $30 million dollars or fight another 6 times just to get close to $15 million dollars.
I think the ufc fighters start to get paid less ufc is clearly declining and boxing is on the rise again with sudi it’s very unfortunate for ufc fighters
Tell them boys in the back that think Boxing is dead & MMA the future. They got some catching up to do…I never understood why its cool to get kicked, kneed, elbowed & choked out for $2!!
The math makes no sense. If the UFC is paying out 16% revenue vs 50% boxers get it should be roughly 3.5x less money. I don't believe the BS numbers the boxers come out with TBH. The PPV numbers don't add up to allow the 100m pay day. Fury V Usyk 2 sold 1.5m PPV's at $30 so they only generated a total of 45m in revenue, maybe another 15m at the gate. Then they need to pay for broadcasting, and all fights on the undercard, marketing etc. Where TF does just Tyson get 100m from?!
Saudi sportwashing- 100 mil is chump change for a petro state, and the saudis aren’t getting into the game to turn a profit. They’ve been throwing silly money at sports of all kinds- football (soccer), golf and boxing to name just a few. The goal is to improve the image of the country away from that of an absolute monarchy with an abysmal human rights record. Plus, big investments in sport and tourism will help diversify the nation away from fossil fuels, which they know full well that the world will have to move away from sooner or later. In other words, the saudis are playing geopolitics with sport, and boxing with its lack of centralized organization and infamous lack of morals, is an easy place to start
PPV isn't the only thing in some countries they don't have ppv buys they buy the rights to the fight. They also take into account ticket gates, concessions food alcohol and drink, sponsors, and the sponsors the boxers have on their fighting trunks. Boxers just make more overall because they are in the true free market economics while UFC isn't.
@@Ncloud Fighters aren't including sponsors, food and alcohol sales.. Tyson claims it was 100m from the Saudi's to fight, i assume he would get PPV points but he announced the number well before the fight took place.
First of all, the top UFC fighters do get 1 million and above. Seconds, the bottom and mid level fighters get more chances at the UFC and get paid more than bottom and mid level boxers. Last but not least, we see the fights we want to see in the UFC,every month a great card. Boxing politics generate less fights and fights nobody wants to see. Boxing events are highly sponsored and run net losses. Ufc isn't perfect of course and fighter pay should go up or at least give the fighters more opportunities for sponsorship. But many fighters lack the talent to generate social media viewers, the ones who do use the celebrity status from the UFC to attract viewers and generate income. Let's not forget, one of the best paid sportsman in the world is a UFC fighter
The UFC are only govern by single body/organization that's the UFC itself while boxing are govern by so many bodies, WBO WBC WBA IBF etc2 so yeah thats why the $$$ difference are waaay over the top. When one single entity controls everything there's nobody else gonna check on you and you can literally do whatever you want, but if there are lots of them each of them are gonna check on each other and make sure all is fair and shared equally.
I think the UFC can pay their fighters a bit more, however they also need to keep their fighters hungry and continue to chase that consistent super payout. A good example is Conor, bro made boxing money once and checked out.
The real reason is that fighters don’t keep the revenue they make, fighters on the basic 12/12 are a loss for the UFC and actually deserve less in a business sense. And the few top level fighters that ACTUALLY make the ufc a profit keep very little of the revenue they create because it has to be trickled down to the business operations, employees and most importantly, the 90+% of fighters that are a loss for the UFC and actually
Old sport larger talent pool more popular world wide. UFC also is a single company that treat is employees poorly compared to an international sport that gives the fighters a lot more control.
Once I learned Dana practically doesn't want to pay his fighters I just stopped supporting the UFC. He could definitely pay his fighter easily. I'm not a Jake Paul fan but he is right and he at least pays them better with less network.
Competition in boxing it's not all one company like the UFC. if a boxer doesn't like the division they're in they can transfer and increase their market value. And cultural significance of boxing people would watch a boxing match but then refuse to watch a UFC match because of the violence.
All im saying is if this trend of figthers pay keeps going the way it does eventually in future people are just gonna leave the sport and just watch for entertainment
comparing top boxers to a whole roster of UFC fighters is goofy. 99% of boxers are living in gyms. add all boxing vs all mma fighters into a pool. 1% are making any money and the 99% are making 2-25k a fight. sounds like a lot but you only get 3-4 fights a year max (if winning). youre so uneducated on this topic youre talking about boxing as if its one big organization. its many.. MANY. with fighters making 5k on the card. UFC is one organization, with 600ish fighters? your research is pathetic and one sided. im not defending UFC/dana. IM FIGHTING FOR THE 99% OF BOXERS WHO MAKE NOTHING LIKE UFC FIGHTERS.... so focused on beating down ufc you ignoring the actual issue. most professional fighters of any sport, MAKE NOTHING.
Boxing is fixed, the outcomes are predetermined, that’s why they payout so much because they generate more from their super stars. UFC is real, therefore their fighters lose and it’s unpredictable so there’s no money in their superstars who exit like Aiken a revolving door. Boxing is fixed, UFC is real: just like the entertainment industry
@@PascalSiakam13 same Floyd mayweather who famously didnt pay out Logan Paul 😆. Both are scumbags, but if boxing was as lucrative as you think it is there would be no reason for someone with a “500 million $” net worth to scam his opponent.
Not defending the UFC here, but how do you not mention the fact that UFC pay is more evenly distributed? Guys on the undercard make way more in UFC than comparable fighters in boxing do.
I think the majority of the commenters in this video already had their minds made up about boxing vs UFC. I think the vast majority of boxers on the undercards, even for big fights are making peanuts compared to the main event fighters.
How can you compare Miesha Tate to Canelo... If they made Tate the headliner on a ppv in her prime, I think the ufc would have lost money. Canelo and conor were paid in accordance with their ppv draw ability, which is fair since that is what is making the money to pay fighters in the first place.
The highest paid athlete from 2021 came from the UFC. Yeah we would all like to see the fighters get paid more but damn some of them are just insufferable and can’t market themselves. They sign a contract. If you don’t like it, don’t sign it lmao
Theyve gotten away with it for since the beginning. Sure, boxing has been around longer but UFC started off enticing martial artists/wrestlers/strikers that had close to 0 earnings practicing their sport and getting the offer of a couple thousand dollars seemed like a dream. Fighters have accepted these slave wages (in comparison to the risk)a lot of fighters end up broken and poor post fight career. UFC will continue to fight tooth and nail against a fair wage just as any other US corporation. Its just pure greed and sick to watch.
Consider UFC like one company. There's just a limit on how you can pay someone. Consider Boxers as freelancers, and based on your marketability, you can demand how much you are paid. In other words, a boxer who is marketable is like an entrepreneur who can demand how much he is paid. UFC fighters are equivalent to what we call employees. No say, just keep the business running. The only way to rid of the disparity is to assign a commission that has power worldwide to oversee the sport of MMA. In other words, make it a world product in which every fighter has access. If you compete in MMA, you have the opportunity for world ranking. Converting UFC to that kind of structure is a huge task. It's almost impossible.
You also have to be a super popular good boxer same as in UFC. If you think Scrubs should be making $2 million every fight. UFC ain't gonna survive or boxing.
I'm all for fighters being paid more but only a handful of top Boxers are getting paid more than UFC fighters and they only make big money on a few fights. Low/Mid-tier Boxers are paid almost nothing. Also, some of these events only happened because oil Billionaires willing/able to lose huge amounts of money in hopes of future profits. Ngannou vs Fury is a prime example of an event that lost 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars. Unfortunately, the UFC can't afford to lose 10s or 100s of millions of dollars like some Boxing promotions can.
As a UFC fan, im sick of Dana White gaslighting the fans and his fighters into thinking that the UFC is miles better than Boxing. The same fighters that belief that stuff are manipulated into fighting for 10k/10k. And the Vets that yap about it on podcasts are bitter they couldn't cut it in boxing or any other sports and got scammed into fighting for a fraction of what they're worth in cage fights. A lot of the old heads wouldn't make it to the elite levels of other combat sports either and were rejects from Boxing and Wrestling. Only the world championship Level fighters were really elite at one single martial art and adapted. Like Mark Coleman (a worldclass wrestler) Ken Shamrock, Jon Jones. Alex Pereira and Adesanya both world class elite kickboxers. No wonder why most fighters end up with a bitter taste about the ufc and reconsider their career path for a chance to make some money with Jake Paul
Greco-Roman & Folkstyle Wrestling is elite, but they can't convert themselves into world class boxers so UFC is where they go. No shame, but MMA isn't easy. Boxing talent at the highest level is just otherworldy.
Boxing has been around and in the public eye of the US for almost 150 years. Longer, if you go back before the gloved era. It grew with the US economy and for decades was a genuine part of the culture (especially when there was a legitimately great US heavyweight champ). That prestige and history is why theres so much money in it, and the reason why its turning so shit is because of the amount of potential earnings. MMA right now is in its infancy. It even feels similar to how boxing did prior to the Walker Law. The money will come over time (probably decades), and the infrastructure will improve too. MMA also has the advantage of being a modern sport, meaning its gonna grow a lot faster than most other sports ever could have.
Did you even watch the video lol. The reason is boxers get 60-70% of the revenue and the UFC pays the fighters 18%. The UFC makes more than all the boxing promotors combined.
Not a fan of the UFC or its management or its culture. The fighters are the real reason that organization is successful and they should be paid more.
I agree but then I wonder if the UFC will collapse after that. Fighter will get payed more and fight less. And be able to leave and find other organizations and then no more UFC
Who does it better consistently tho… nobody
@@appledough3843amazing fights will happen either way and the fighters will be able to afford health care and all that would happen is the UFC does not own the monopoly on it alll
@@appledough3843the UFC won't collapse. Organizations that share 50% of its revenue like the NFL and NBA don't collapse, so the UFC would be just fine
@@hollowpoint8261
That’s a good point. But I worry the quality and or quantity of good fights will go down and it’ll be another boxing situation where the best don’t fight the best. Only having an occasional good year here and there. Why should fighters fight difficult fights or fight more than once a year if they get some serious cash?
Ufc should offer health insurance if not gonna increase fighter pay
Yeah its crazy how they only cover the injuries happening during the fight even though these guys go through 8-10 week camps where injuries are far more frequent than in a 15 minute fight
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UFC should increase ppv, decrease gutless fighters bonuses, and drop those sissy insurance. Cause you will still lap it up and pay to watch
@@disontago5729hi Dana 👋, nice ult account
I feel like this is more the fighters fault then@@aronviranyi458
Boxing sells Boxers
UFC sells UFC
To a degree, but UFC also pays more bottom heavy. Most boxers only win an average of $500 to $3000 their first 10 to 15 fights, while they win between $5000 to $15000 after that.
Keep in mind these numbers are blown up by guys like Ryan and Tank and Devin, who are earning millions by fight 20.
Your starting pay at UFC is usually $2000 to $5000 per fight, while you could be fitting 4 times a year if you can sell your image to win Dana's favor. Even as a boxer, selling the image is what gets you bigger checks and fights.
Also I'll say 80% of boxers quite hy fight 15, whole 3/4 of the remaining 20% are largely used as body bags tp make stars shine. Only the top 15 ranked boxers at each category can make a living off boxing, but eveb then, its the Top 5 who make big money.
Are UFC fighters underpaid? Absolutely, but let's not pretend like everybody in boxing is making even close to $40k a year. If you take out the Top 20 boxers at each weight class, the average boxer makes MAYBE $2000 per fight.
@@DerEinzigeGrendelZugtop 20 fighters making good money is a hell of a lot better than your champions making less than 4 million in 14 fights
@@DerEinzigeGrendelZug Ufc is like the NBA. Its the premiere league. In boxing, its equivalent to Top Rank promotions, Matchroom, and Queensberry. Try to compare them to other boxing promotional outfits not the entire sports because their are even more underpaid mma fighters outside of ufc.
@secondwindproductions5157 NO the UFC is NOT like the NBA .NBA pays 45% of income to players where as UFC pays only 17% smh
Nah UFC sold..Ronda Rousey..Connor McGregor... Sage northcutt ..and khabib...the UFC sells white fighters but never sold the goats.. Anderson Silva...Jon Jones...and mighty mouse because they are blk
Dana goes and gambles millions of dollars and gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to social media influences, but it is a pain in his ass to up the bonuses of his fighters who makes him his money. Pathetic hypocrite 🤣
Dana is a free man. He can spend his hard earned money whichever way he wants.
@@artyomarty391 Dana isn’t going to give you 30k and a blow job because you defended him on a UA-cam comment, fucking goofy.
@@artyomarty391 lol hard earned 😂
@@mr.terrible7415 yeah do u know his story? He’s also the CEO. He gets salary, the revenue the UFC makes goes to various expenses and the profits goes to the owners through dividends every year and the owners are anyone who bought UFC shares on the stock exchange.
@@mr.terrible7415 he works harder and more efficiently than you and I combined. Learn how millionaires live and work before you judge them. Their life revolves around work. They can do in 1 day what it takes me a year. you dont want a life like that. Instead of being jealous, be appreciative of the benefits they provide to lazy people like you
Dana White is the modern day Don King.
no he is not
nah
He's more blatant 🤷🏾♂️
Hes way better at it. In the worst way
No. Dana actually pays ALL the fighters evenly. main event boxers get paid and that’s it. The undercard guys are lucky to make 5k per fight
UFC fighters are employees. Pro boxers are entrepreneurs.
Big facts
Khan earned total of 11 million including the ppv buys in the backend pay. Canelo made north of 20 million for that fight. The boxing purses are only the guarantees, the ppv on the backend are usually more ridiculous
If Turki Alalshikh decided to make a new MMA Organization with what’s he’s doing right now with boxing he would put Dana White and the UFC on a choke hold
Sadly that's an if, needed though
who is he going to sign
@@thateki different MMA fighters from different organizations who wants to get paid millions instead of a few hundred thousand
@@JohnDoe-c4d6z who exactly there is no one why would some nobody get million dollar pay checks
@@thateki no one said about a “nobody getting a million dollar paycheck” and for who there is well, anyone known or coming up stars from small or big organizations you think UFC fighters are going to be loyal to Dana
I cant imagine a fight company being successful with UFC retirees. Maybe it catches on and they can get some fresh talent, but I don't see it happening.
UFC Alumni works, especially if they're underrated guys who left or got cut due to things outside of being on a big losing streak. But you're right, there's no way people will wanna see the corpses and shadows of these former legends fight consistently. The GFL's roster would've been lethal in 2011
@@jininycricket7089 the 2011 date is pretty accurate. Maybe you could say 2015, but a lot of the guys on that GFL roster have taken so much damage
@mamster233 alot of the biggest names in GFL even in 2015 had taken so much damage. People were begging Wanderlei to retire, Mir didn't need to continue.
@@jininycricket7089 good point. I was surprised when I saw Mir and Andrei on that list!
They already did it with golfers and boxers...
It's because 99% of fighters are easily replaceable with someone cheaper, younger and hungry willing to fight for 12/12. They could unionize but the fighters w money have no incentive to do so and block efforts every time.
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That doesn't matter, the fighter should be allowed to have sponsors
yea UFC fighters need to realize their worth. They go out there and fight like crazy having high chances of getting CTE and they're only worth $15,000 dollars at most. Besides that, since Dana controls the organization, he decides when you deserve a title shot or spotlight on the card. This is why i dont watch ufc anymore or support it.
2:37 Pereira didn't flinch when Dana increased the bonus.
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Idk if he knew what was going on lol
@just_domo7025 lol I forgot about the language barrier 😂
Chama, Chama 🗿💭
Francis is a real one !
Lol, he's a real threat... to the pfl who he'll sink
boxing gives all the ppv money to the fighters but ufc fighter get a cut not all so the super stars like alex only got like 2m which is alot but unlike tyson who got 100m
the saudi trillionares paid tyson and usyk and all the big boxers, the ppv definitely didn't make those numbers back but they just don't care
No they don’t. You have to be bringing in close to a million ppv buys to get a cut of the ppv and dcdv then it’s a small percentage.
All you can do is sell your name as best you can. If you don't have a name in the UFC, get paid 10-15k
and on average you fight 2x a year, If you already have a name but not too interesting like Aljo & Hill you can get more than 100k, if you are at superstar level like Pereira, McGregor, Khabib you can get above 500.000
Nah McGregor would make canelo money lol. Still felt like he shouldve got more too. But if he came back now Jesus.. probably would get 60 million easy due to how famous he is right now. Honestly he's more known then canelo which is crazy, has like double the amount of followers on Instagram too then canelo
Short answer
UFC a company (Brand) with different departments HR, Media, clothing.
In boxing boxers are the brand it’s a one night event , Or as Dana says a “going out of business ”. After the fights what ever money is made is split between promoter,fighters,and mangers. There no need to leave money for other departments like if it was a company.
Plus the only reason boxing events are happening is because Saudi Arabia is sports washing, we will see in 20 years once Saudi is no longer putting these events on how dry boxing becomes again.
The answer is in the tittle of the video. It's UFC vs boxing not MMA vs boxing.
@pubg-blsy3352ok buddy, quit coping you ufc fanboy, boxing isn't gonna die out, you whiny temper tantrum kids want it to for no reason though.
@pubg-blsy3352many boxing events were happening without him, you probably only found about boxing because of that, your coping wont be that useful.
@pubg-blsy3352 Boxing is what Mexicans and African-Americans watch they don't like watching UFC where they hug around the mat. Boxing is the sweet science it's only rival is Greco-Roman & Folkstyle wrestling and its funny because ufc fighters with that background dominate.
“You make one”
That guy: “ight bet”
Dana was wrong about Francis
Loved watching him get knocked tf out by a real boxer
2:02 "Jama-hall Hill" lmao
lmao FR i died when he said that XD
I do think there should be a middle ground. Boxers are paid so much to the point they can slack around and not focus on top opposition.
On the other hand I think ufc fighters need to be paid more so they can focus solely on the sport.
I think boxers are paid just fine who are we to tell fighters who risk their lives when the should fight
@@ZyThomas-l4vExactly. Never got the argument of paying someone less to encourage them. Like paying someone good is 90% of the time a good thing. You will still have fighters who want to earn more and encouranging someone to fight by paying them less is definetly bad
That's exactly the problem with overpaying these guys. They'll take extended breaks and never fight. Look at our boy conor
@@thomassantino392 who are we to tell other people when they should and shouldn’t fight ? U act like this is a normal job they risk their lives and health you should only go in there when u feel like it only people with no concern for others safety only say things like this
Get paid more and end up like Connor MCgreggor
If they started a fighters union this wouldn’t keep happening.
Faxx
Wait, wait, wait, I heard that Francis dropped the bag when he left the UFC, what happened?
At least that is what Dana bootlickers said, they claimed Francis was a fool and he is afraid of Jones.
Best decision of his life, he got over 30 million in boxing.
it was mostly the idiots like chael, the mma guru and the weasel who don't know anything about business and star momentum
Meanwhile the worst decision the PFL ever made, and the worst decision for any PFL fighters other than Francis & his opponent.
Francis is the bankrupter of the PFL.
The PFL are now refusing to offer fights to their former Bellator fighters now because they can’t afford to pay them.
@@jonniesthank you bro. They bankrupt themselves to give special privileges to ONE man that fights BARELY once a year. The original comment said he doesn’t like Dana or that people who support him are bootlickers. Idk who’s gonna be the first to say it but Dana runs every other promotion into the ground. A lot of people would’ve said khabib is a better man than Dana, well khabib tried to start a promotion. He took everyone’s money, went bankrupt and fled the country 😂 Dana is doing alright in the grand scheme of things
@@jonniesthe pfl chairman guy said he doesnt even watch mma. That problem was there before anyone showed up.
@@BearWhoWrestledKhabiband when he was already 200mill in the hole, he went and bought bellator and then gave francis a ludicrous contract. Pfl not only killed itself but bellator which was doing well by itself. Coker shouldn’t have let it go tbh
They should have us a real life Kengan association tournament with no rules.
End of the day, fighters have to eat,feed their families, pay their bills, Boxing is the way better route because you have way more freedom
I think ufc/mma is taking the olympic sport approach in regards where you compete at the highest level and rewarded pretty minimally in terms of monetary rewards but the exposure and clout you get opens endorsement deals. Guess we’ll have to wait for a post - dana world to see if anything changes lol
Boxing is highly regulated, no illegal streaming survives. Whilst UFC is owned by a guy that is a greedy marmot.
Lmao you can watch boxing ilegally just as easily as the UFC
@@HeliodromusScorpiowell duh but that doesn’t change the fact that dana should pay the fighters more money
@@SpidaMMAdana is the president, not the ceo of the ufc. boxing doesn't have these really expensive ppvs. their champs don't fight as much so there is a good build up.
Shh, dont tell them@@HeliodromusScorpio
Dana can pay fighters however much he likes. These fighters are successful because of Dana in the first place. Show some gratitute you entitled brat
I knew individual boxers held real power when Deontay Wilder held one of his title defenses within his state of Alabama. It's a way of giving back money to the community.
The UFC cards has a lot more fights on them so the prize money has to be split alot more ways
Stooop
MMA(UFC) fighters caved and should have gone to court. They will never make what boxers make.
Faxx
Because boxing is a spectacle sport these days, everyone wins no matter whos hand gets raised
here is the thing that you don't wanna here in 50's before the ali era boxing fights were organized and run by the organizations and belt federations but since Ali from the late 70's boxing fights are organized by promoters
Maybe because boxing is widely consider as sport unlike mma. MMA is like underground death fight.
I don’t even watch boxing but realistically it has been mainstream way longer than MMA. Gaethje said he got 400k for the Khabib’s fight. (I believe every title fight should be no less than one million) but to be honest, what average joe knows Gaethje? I can kinda see both sides
No name boxers are making 1M+. Names people don't know. Jay opetiea. shakur. Ita Dana that's the problem
mma is gimmick fights while boxing is a historic tradition, the revenue split could be bettter but boxing would still dwarf mma regardless
Just simply truth and facts
I can count of one hand how many boxers have made 50 million dollars in a fight.
There's more millionaire boxers than UFC fighters 😂
@@Ncloudwhat a dumb comment. Unbelievably ignorant. How long has boxing been a gargantuan industry? Yeah? And since when has UFC been big enough to pay even anything comparable? Since Connor. You should try and use the thing between your ears.
Boxing is aight but I LOOOVE ufc n mma I love the anticipation of a good old knock down drag out street brawl plus the kicks n submissions it’s like your getting more variety boxing bores me out
Struggle cuddling in UFC and MMA is what bores me.
Boxers are more refined they know the sweet science at the highest level. UFC is just roided up rooster fights in a cage. A true street fight people wear shoes they don't walk in barefoot and with booty shorts like in ufc.
The pay gap between top boxers and UFC fighters is staggering, and Dana White is at the center of it. Boxers like Mayweather, Canelo, and Pacquiao earn massive sums because they control their own purses, while UFC fighters get a fraction of that. White and the UFC take a huge cut of the revenue, leaving fighters, some of the best in the world, with a small share. Even stars like McGregor, GSP, and Khabib never came close to what boxers make. Dana White has built an empire on the backs of fighters, but it’s at their expense. Promoters should not be making more than the athletes.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A FIGHTERS UNION!!
You guys don’t understand the UFC needs the fighters pay to give to the nelk boys for there birthday party. Sad how many people can’t understand how charitable Dana is. SMH
Bro really got an monopoly.
You cant compare top boxers to all mma fighters
"He only made 4 million dollars in all his UFC fights combined" xD. If I could say the same about 4 decades as a scientist, Id be actually really happy.
difference is that UFC made more off of him. Why do you think Shohei Ohtani got a $700 million dollar contract? Dodgers gave it to him because they know they'll be making that $700 million back easily from South Korea and Japan. Shohei know his worth and got paid for it. Francis did the same thing too. 2 boxing fights and bank $30 million dollars or fight another 6 times just to get close to $15 million dollars.
Don't you know that "ballers make dollars, scholars make cents"
@@KingAllpha321 You forgot the fact that Ohtani is the GOAT
@@andrams6010Juan soto got a 765 Million Dollar contract and he's not a good defender..
@ well yeah, if you put it like that it is a steal considering Ohtani is the GOAT
Greed is the answer
Easy to understand how Dakota is interested in boxing 🎉
I think the ufc fighters start to get paid less ufc is clearly declining and boxing is on the rise again with sudi it’s very unfortunate for ufc fighters
Braindead ahh comment
@ how the ufc numbers are down dana even said and if numbers are down that clearly means pay cuts it’s common sense
@@whatupcuz3688Indeed
Tell them boys in the back that think Boxing is dead & MMA the future. They got some catching up to do…I never understood why its cool to get kicked, kneed, elbowed & choked out for $2!!
The math makes no sense. If the UFC is paying out 16% revenue vs 50% boxers get it should be roughly 3.5x less money. I don't believe the BS numbers the boxers come out with TBH. The PPV numbers don't add up to allow the 100m pay day. Fury V Usyk 2 sold 1.5m PPV's at $30 so they only generated a total of 45m in revenue, maybe another 15m at the gate. Then they need to pay for broadcasting, and all fights on the undercard, marketing etc. Where TF does just Tyson get 100m from?!
Saudi sportwashing- 100 mil is chump change for a petro state, and the saudis aren’t getting into the game to turn a profit. They’ve been throwing silly money at sports of all kinds- football (soccer), golf and boxing to name just a few. The goal is to improve the image of the country away from that of an absolute monarchy with an abysmal human rights record. Plus, big investments in sport and tourism will help diversify the nation away from fossil fuels, which they know full well that the world will have to move away from sooner or later. In other words, the saudis are playing geopolitics with sport, and boxing with its lack of centralized organization and infamous lack of morals, is an easy place to start
PPV isn't the only thing in some countries they don't have ppv buys they buy the rights to the fight. They also take into account ticket gates, concessions food alcohol and drink, sponsors, and the sponsors the boxers have on their fighting trunks. Boxers just make more overall because they are in the true free market economics while UFC isn't.
@@Ncloud Fighters aren't including sponsors, food and alcohol sales.. Tyson claims it was 100m from the Saudi's to fight, i assume he would get PPV points but he announced the number well before the fight took place.
First of all, the top UFC fighters do get 1 million and above. Seconds, the bottom and mid level fighters get more chances at the UFC and get paid more than bottom and mid level boxers. Last but not least, we see the fights we want to see in the UFC,every month a great card. Boxing politics generate less fights and fights nobody wants to see. Boxing events are highly sponsored and run net losses.
Ufc isn't perfect of course and fighter pay should go up or at least give the fighters more opportunities for sponsorship. But many fighters lack the talent to generate social media viewers, the ones who do use the celebrity status from the UFC to attract viewers and generate income.
Let's not forget, one of the best paid sportsman in the world is a UFC fighter
The UFC are only govern by single body/organization that's the UFC itself while boxing are govern by so many bodies, WBO WBC WBA IBF etc2 so yeah thats why the $$$ difference are waaay over the top. When one single entity controls everything there's nobody else gonna check on you and you can literally do whatever you want, but if there are lots of them each of them are gonna check on each other and make sure all is fair and shared equally.
UFC is leading MMA market. They should look into fighters pay and insurance. Watching UFC fights is thousand times better than watching boxing
I am surprised the pay disparity is so great. Doesn't the UFC compete with boxing for a similar pool of fighters?
I think the UFC can pay their fighters a bit more, however they also need to keep their fighters hungry and continue to chase that consistent super payout. A good example is Conor, bro made boxing money once and checked out.
I am curious, how many of mma fighters start training from their childhood solely focusing on mma?
Can the fighters not go on a strike?
That’s what I’m thinking the champions should go on strike
Ngannou, Mighty mouse and Woodley tried. UFC paid them less, made working difficult and had them released
They'll just get fierd then nd replaced by some other fighters from russian or african villages
The real reason is that fighters don’t keep the revenue they make, fighters on the basic 12/12 are a loss for the UFC and actually deserve less in a business sense. And the few top level fighters that ACTUALLY make the ufc a profit keep very little of the revenue they create because it has to be trickled down to the business operations, employees and most importantly, the 90+% of fighters that are a loss for the UFC and actually
Old sport larger talent pool more popular world wide. UFC also is a single company that treat is employees poorly compared to an international sport that gives the fighters a lot more control.
Fun fact: All fight sports are corrupt.
People give each other CTE for money, you can't expect it to be nice.
Only top boxers make money it was the same even back in the days thats the way it was
I'm not too familiar with the structure but, don't fighters have a fighter association to negotiate a cba if possible?
Once I learned Dana practically doesn't want to pay his fighters I just stopped supporting the UFC. He could definitely pay his fighter easily. I'm not a Jake Paul fan but he is right and he at least pays them better with less network.
Don't get it wrong though only a few boxers can make those money on the other hand the UFC should definitely pay their fighters more
Competition in boxing it's not all one company like the UFC. if a boxer doesn't like the division they're in they can transfer and increase their market value. And cultural significance of boxing people would watch a boxing match but then refuse to watch a UFC match because of the violence.
My guess. The history. The legacy the timeline. The controversy BUT i wasnt alive during the start of either so im here to learn
Francis made a smart move
All im saying is if this trend of figthers pay keeps going the way it does eventually in future people are just gonna leave the sport and just watch for entertainment
The simple answer it’s because Dana White loves gambling and he also loves not paying his fighters well.
comparing top boxers to a whole roster of UFC fighters is goofy. 99% of boxers are living in gyms. add all boxing vs all mma fighters into a pool. 1% are making any money and the 99% are making 2-25k a fight. sounds like a lot but you only get 3-4 fights a year max (if winning). youre so uneducated on this topic youre talking about boxing as if its one big organization. its many.. MANY. with fighters making 5k on the card. UFC is one organization, with 600ish fighters? your research is pathetic and one sided. im not defending UFC/dana. IM FIGHTING FOR THE 99% OF BOXERS WHO MAKE NOTHING LIKE UFC FIGHTERS.... so focused on beating down ufc you ignoring the actual issue. most professional fighters of any sport, MAKE NOTHING.
well said
Boxing is fixed, the outcomes are predetermined, that’s why they payout so much because they generate more from their super stars. UFC is real, therefore their fighters lose and it’s unpredictable so there’s no money in their superstars who exit like Aiken a revolving door. Boxing is fixed, UFC is real: just like the entertainment industry
MMA is a poor mans sport. Boxing is a rich mans sport
100%
Without Saudi Arabia boxing would be dead.
@pubg-blsy3352 lol, tell that to Mayweather
@@PascalSiakam13 same Floyd mayweather who famously didnt pay out Logan Paul 😆.
Both are scumbags, but if boxing was as lucrative as you think it is there would be no reason for someone with a “500 million $” net worth to scam his opponent.
@pubg-blsy3352 they literally fund the ufc karen
Instead of one single person being stingy the UFC worries about taking care of all there fighters and all there worker's
Not defending the UFC here, but how do you not mention the fact that UFC pay is more evenly distributed? Guys on the undercard make way more in UFC than comparable fighters in boxing do.
I think the majority of the commenters in this video already had their minds made up about boxing vs UFC. I think the vast majority of boxers on the undercards, even for big fights are making peanuts compared to the main event fighters.
And we have people screaming for Dakota to go in UFC to "earn" some money,lol
In my opinion that be not that big of a UFC fighter and still to get 46,000 to fight and to win you also get 46,000 is actually pretty good
How can you compare Miesha Tate to Canelo... If they made Tate the headliner on a ppv in her prime, I think the ufc would have lost money. Canelo and conor were paid in accordance with their ppv draw ability, which is fair since that is what is making the money to pay fighters in the first place.
The highest paid athlete from 2021 came from the UFC. Yeah we would all like to see the fighters get paid more but damn some of them are just insufferable and can’t market themselves. They sign a contract. If you don’t like it, don’t sign it lmao
50 million is crazy. Only 1 or 2 out it the era well get that
explains why there are so many articles about this bs all the time in my news feed when I d not even follow it .
Jam a hall. Thats his damn name
Theyve gotten away with it for since the beginning. Sure, boxing has been around longer but UFC started off enticing martial artists/wrestlers/strikers that had close to 0 earnings practicing their sport and getting the offer of a couple thousand dollars seemed like a dream. Fighters have accepted these slave wages (in comparison to the risk)a lot of fighters end up broken and poor post fight career.
UFC will continue to fight tooth and nail against a fair wage just as any other US corporation. Its just pure greed and sick to watch.
Consider UFC like one company. There's just a limit on how you can pay someone.
Consider Boxers as freelancers, and based on your marketability, you can demand how much you are paid.
In other words, a boxer who is marketable is like an entrepreneur who can demand how much he is paid.
UFC fighters are equivalent to what we call employees. No say, just keep the business running.
The only way to rid of the disparity is to assign a commission that has power worldwide to oversee the sport of MMA.
In other words, make it a world product in which every fighter has access. If you compete in MMA, you have the opportunity for world ranking.
Converting UFC to that kind of structure is a huge task. It's almost impossible.
UFC is a relatively young organization
Thats why they should stopping running their mouth, the last 20 yrs they keep saying boxing is dead.
That excuse is beyond pathetic
Only a few boxers make much money in boxing the rest make next to nothing. In ufc it’s much more fairly split among fighters.
The thing is we don’t know how much boxing pays. The amounts claimed by people like Floyd are ridiculous lies
boxers are massively overpaid francis got 30 mill and only sold 10k ppv
Dana white is Mr. Krabs
Paying secrataries more than fighters is UFCs model
I like boxing I've never got into U.F.C or mix martial arts
Ufc is safer but hurted more, Boxing is More dangerous
At the end of the day these fighters sign the contract
Also your comment on lawsuits there are lawsuits in boxing all the time.
Dana white covering his blackjack debts by ufc fighters pay😅
You also have to be a super popular good boxer same as in UFC. If you think Scrubs should be making $2 million every fight. UFC ain't gonna survive or boxing.
I'm all for fighters being paid more but only a handful of top Boxers are getting paid more than UFC fighters and they only make big money on a few fights. Low/Mid-tier Boxers are paid almost nothing. Also, some of these events only happened because oil Billionaires willing/able to lose huge amounts of money in hopes of future profits. Ngannou vs Fury is a prime example of an event that lost 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars. Unfortunately, the UFC can't afford to lose 10s or 100s of millions of dollars like some Boxing promotions can.
quick answer: boxing is more of a sport, more rules to play by, more money involved.
UFC figters should start switching to boxing 🤣
I'm so disappointed in heavyweight boxing
Why? The best are fighting the best unlike Jones and Aspinall😂😂
@@Dpjilips2oof
UFC needs a pension too.
As a UFC fan, im sick of Dana White gaslighting the fans and his fighters into thinking that the UFC is miles better than Boxing. The same fighters that belief that stuff are manipulated into fighting for 10k/10k. And the Vets that yap about it on podcasts are bitter they couldn't cut it in boxing or any other sports and got scammed into fighting for a fraction of what they're worth in cage fights. A lot of the old heads wouldn't make it to the elite levels of other combat sports either and were rejects from Boxing and Wrestling. Only the world championship Level fighters were really elite at one single martial art and adapted. Like Mark Coleman (a worldclass wrestler) Ken Shamrock, Jon Jones. Alex Pereira and Adesanya both world class elite kickboxers. No wonder why most fighters end up with a bitter taste about the ufc and reconsider their career path for a chance to make some money with Jake Paul
Greco-Roman & Folkstyle Wrestling is elite, but they can't convert themselves into world class boxers so UFC is where they go. No shame, but MMA isn't easy. Boxing talent at the highest level is just otherworldy.
Boxing has been around and in the public eye of the US for almost 150 years. Longer, if you go back before the gloved era. It grew with the US economy and for decades was a genuine part of the culture (especially when there was a legitimately great US heavyweight champ). That prestige and history is why theres so much money in it, and the reason why its turning so shit is because of the amount of potential earnings.
MMA right now is in its infancy. It even feels similar to how boxing did prior to the Walker Law. The money will come over time (probably decades), and the infrastructure will improve too. MMA also has the advantage of being a modern sport, meaning its gonna grow a lot faster than most other sports ever could have.
nah the UFC takes all the ppv earnings they are never gonna give that up
Did you even watch the video lol. The reason is boxers get 60-70% of the revenue and the UFC pays the fighters 18%. The UFC makes more than all the boxing promotors combined.
ONE championship!