but really hard. I am in mainland of china. and even though I am familiar with simplified chinese character. but I could not stand the complexity of tradational chinese character
@@刘阳-n3u It’s harder to learn and takes longer to write but it’s so so much better to read. When I read simplified Chinese often times i felt it’s so incomplete where traditional looks much better and beautiful.
@@DragonPupEclipse That's because you have a background in Traditional Chinese, or based on your own, objective view of "beauty". Someone with a Simplified Chinese background may look at it differently (especially if they are in the speed-writing business like mine). Traditional Chinese may also not be "traditional" when compared with other, older versions of Chinese characters. What would ancient Chinese literary scholars from 1000 years ago say when they look at these so-called "Traditional" Chinese these days ("oh, those heretics!").
Actually, most of chinese people in mainland with well education can understand both traditional and simplified Chinese character, traditional Chinese is the root of Chinese nation and is more beautiful and meaningful, but simplified character is easy to learn and write.
I dropped out of school at the age of 15, I never expected I'd be associated with a "well-educated" guy someday, yet it doesn't necessarily bother me to recognize traditional Chinese characters despite the fact that I've never intentionally tried learning it before, I tend to believe it is more of an innate thing for mainlanders to read traditional words.
Glenn Whitfield you really are a idiot those kind of thing happened in US and Europe also you running into a few cases it just means everyone’s like that you got that
I'm Chinese. A few years ago, when I was travelling to Berlin by train, I got off at a wrong station. I asked a lady in German about my whereabouts, and she replied in English (with a German accent). The conversation went on like that for quite a while until I gave up and switched to English. :-)
As a Taiwanese I found it so interesting to know your opinions about the difference. Thank you for sharing this interview. The other difference you can find it in this comments section. You will know what I mean:) By the way, if you come to Taiwan one day just let us know.
I would say If you want to have an adventure, go with China. If you don’t want to use a VPN, and want access to western cuisines and want an open dialogue with people, I would choose Taiwan.
Jason lu I have been to Shanghai, and yeah, there’s expat areas, sure. But if any foreigner who wants to go on the internet outside of the great Chinese firewall, they need a VPN. You can’t have an open dialogue.
the relationship between mainland china and taiwan is a sensitive issues for every Chinese, and this is a politically correct in China, and this is easy to make mistakes so please less talk about this
A little surprised that the cultural aspect is not a consideration factor here... Taiwan is considered by many the best destination to understand and experience the authentic Chinese culture as it has preserved not only the beauty of the characters, but also and particularly the essence of the authentic Chinese religions, virtues and beliefs. More importantly, these are not preserved in the books, it's their way of life.
This is an incredibly outdated outlook on Taiwan, which unsurprisingly has its origins from the Cultural Revolution. It's a misconception that a large part of Chinese culture was "lost" on the mainland during that time (even though it was only 15 years). In reality, the CR did nothing to erase Chinese culture, because a 15 year long purge still isn't enough time to get rid of 5,000 years worth of history and tradition. Taiwan has been selling that misconception so it can gain tourist traction.
I was born in China main land and had my university study in Shanghai. Now I am living in Canada and have my kids learning Chinese from a Taiwanese teacher. So it doesn't matter so long as my kids are learning the right Chinese.
You can imagine Taiwan as a relatively westernized and democratic Chinese society, and it's also a hybrid society of China and Japan influence. Taiwanese accent do have a stronger presence in recent year of Chinese pop culture, Taiwan was the powerhouse of Chinese language pop culture from 2000-2012, even if you look at China's entertainment nowadays, the top influencer such as Jay Chou, are all Taiwanese, so Taiwanese accent is kinda of like California accent in US because of LA produces most of US films and TV shows. Girls do gain a HUGE advantage if your Chinese is Taiwanese accent, all the Chinese, Hong Kong men are very jealous of Taiwanese guys because their Taiwanese girls are just so cute with their accent.(I also heard them talking about how hot Taiwanese girls are, but personally I grew up with them so I don't feel anything), and if you think you'd lost your popularity in China or get judged by your Taiwanese accent, no, you won't, because Taiwanese accent is also very similar to Southern Chinese accent, with your non-Asian look, people from Taiwan and China will assume you have an accent, and that's also the truth for maybe 90% of the foreigner students and workers, unless you grow up in Taiwan or China, then your accent might be completely local. In China, people think Northern Chinese accent is more tough and manly, Southern Chinese accent is more soft, and gay if you're a guy. Funny thing is Taiwanese drama was so popular at the time and I have never heard of it until 2012, when China and Taiwan geopolitics gets heated again, and new generation Chinese feel they're superior than Taiwanese due to their economy boost, it was under a such background, I started to hear more and more Chinese talking about Taiwanese guys being gay, despite just 5 to 10 years ago, it wasn't. Environment wise, China will definitely give you more cultural shocks, this probably will take another generation of time for Chinese to get used to seeing non-Asian face in their country. In Taiwan people do stare at you too, but they don't really staring for a long time, it's more like Japan or Korea, where people might look at you for a second or two because they notice you're non-Asian, but they'll walk right pass you. Job wise, I'd say China is the winner, Taiwan doesn't offer much right now, what I often see is people straight up start their business here, range from street food to modeling agency, studios, marketing company, but other than that, your best bet for a job in Taiwan is still English teacher just like rest of Asia. China however, has more than that to offer since it's just a huge country, but whether you can land a job you want that's not an English teacher while studying, that's completely depends on your luck and your location. The best way to choose is to experience both places, even if you got into one of the places, you can still go to another side during summer. Or you just have this mindset of "I don't care how China will shock me, I want the real, modern day China, bring whatever it is to me", then sure go to China to find out, some people do accept what they got in China and feel happy, some people just don't, I have seen that multiple times, including online like UA-cam or reddit, people eventually left China or go to Taiwan because of that. But you never know how you will take it, we never know it too. I think it's just like Asian people coming to US, and they debate about going to blue state or red state is better for new immigrants, some find red states are not as racist as people say they are, some people find blue states are more racist, but they still choose to go blue states usually, because there are resources they can use. Same thing for Taiwan and China, I believe most of people will choose China first, after all, it's the place where Chinese culture originates, for better or worse, it's already part of Chinese culture, but if you choose Taiwan, you can always come and experience it then make your way to China, and if you can't accept whatever is offering you in China, you can always give Taiwan a shot before you going back to your country.
honestly, I don't think it's a big of a deal and shouldn't be a thing that influences your decision. everyone says that the system they start learning first is easier (simplified because is well simplified, and traditional because the characters have 'stories' behind them, looks better). it doesn't matter as much, especially comparing to other differences and even the jump between the systems is not that hard.
@@werosification in malaysia, majority of chinese can understand both. We learn simplified chinese from school and learn traditional chinese from local media.
I'm not recommend you learn Chinese in Taiwan if you want to communicate with mainland people,because now we not like that accent very much,we hear Taiwan accent from a foreigner will lose our welcome feeling and make fun of your 台湾腔（taiwan accent）,many Taiwan people not very friendly to us so they like to use foreigner to say bad about us,so we feel less friendly with foreigner who speak taiwan accent. even learn northeast accent better than taiwan accent.
I want to say you can learn chinese in Malaysia . We learn how to write simplified chinese and we understand how to read traditional chinese . In malaysia we uses both . Simplified chienese is used for writing essays ,Traditional chinese is used for the name of the store and heading of the news and advertisement and formal letter . Learning mandarin is not more challenge in Malaysia especially for people who speaking english because Malaysian can speak English . We also speak many dialects like cantonese and hakka and ..... .You can learn them in Malaysia . Anyway Malaysia is the good place to learn mandarin and Malaysia Chinese culture .
But even your own people send their kids to Taiwan and China for university.... why would anyone else coming to Malaysia to learn when all of your people are leaving? Those kids who graduated from university in China or Taiwan almost all went to Singapore for job..... I'd say you need take care of Malaysian government first, making them treat you Chinese with equality, then maybe you can have the environment to get more people going to Malaysia
For all native Chinese speakers, from mainland China or from Taiwan, traditional Chinese vs simplified Chinese is never a real problem. I myself went thru primary and secondary school learning simplified Chinese, but I never have any problem reading traditional Chinese. Same is true for people from Taiwan and Hong Kong, none of them have difficulty reading and understanding simplified Chinese. That may be a bigger problem from non-native Chinese speakers. My daughter (born and raised in California) learned Chinese at home and in weekend Chinese school, simplified Chinese. Although she can speak Chinese fluently, she still complained about cannot read traditional Chinese. So, my suggestion for non-native Chinese speakers, please first understand your purpose of learning Chinese. If it is for everyday use in modern Chinese speaking societies, even in Hong Kong and Taiwan, simplified Chinese should be enough. If you are interested in Chinese dialects, then mainland China offers much much more opportunities. However, if you are interested in history, Chinese art, or Chinese literature, than you should start with traditional Chinese. Another aspect of Chinese learning was not touched at all in this program. I am a little surprised. That is, the tool to help Chinese pronunciation. Even for native Chinese speakers, none of us can claim we know how to pronounce Chinese 100%, not even 95%. We always need a tool to help us pronounce Chinese characters, usually this is the same tool for Chinese keyboard input. For English speakers (or for native speakers of any other roman alphabet languages), it is very easy to use the Hang Yu Ping Yin of mainland China (also widely used in Singapore or Malaysia). The Katagana style Zhu Yin used in Taiwan is a very different story.
I disagree in regards to using traditional script if you are interested in art history or the like. If your goal is to learn calculus, you still have to start with arithmetic before anything else. You should. It jump straight into traditional script as a foreigner. And regardless, you will still need to go to the mainland if your purpose is to learn anything authentically Chinese. Going to Taiwan is just living a Western lifestyle with pseudo-Chinese “culture” that has been heavily neutered.
A very special and informative video about learning simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese, also the feeling of the different culture for foreigners.
I think the simplified vs. traditional difference seems extremely daunting for the first few days, but if you have a strong foundation in one character set, I think you can get up to speed in *reading* the other character set pretty quickly (handwriting is a different story). When I visited Taiwan after studying simplified characters, I was super frustrated the first couple of days, but I bought beginner and intermediate textbooks with traditional characters and read through them cover to cover in my downtime. Since I already knew the words and grammar in the texts, it was just a remedial reading exercise to get familiar with traditional characters. I already started noticing a huge difference within a few days. You are also seeing a lot of the same characters everywhere you go, so even if they have a ridiculous number of strokes and components, you start to recognize them, just like you understand ‘+’ means plus and ‘%’ means percent. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s not nearly as hard as I thought it would be.
You can learn Simplified Chinese first then it will be easier to learn Traditional Chinese. I am mainland Chinese but I can read Traditional characters without any problem and can write some characters in the traditional form , since I grew up watching HK TW dramas with traditional characters in the subtitles. I like to type Chinese in traditional characters as well.
I can read many Traditional characters but I have never learned them. I think this is the same case for many Mainlanders. And many mainlanders practice calligraphy, they wrote traditional Chinese because they are more beautiful.
There’s a big difference between spoken Chinese or Mandarin in Taiwan and China for sure. Personally because of political beliefs, I think Taiwan is a better place to live and study or work 🙌💯
In Taiwan your own liberty is hate China. If you say you love China, then you’ll be censored or you’ll be called by the government for a political background check. Forget this crazy place and these crazy people, if you want a future, you should go to mainland China.
Don’t just follow propaganda, learn what the cultural revolution actually was and think critically about it. This idea that it somehow “destroyed Chinese cultur” is a complete lie. Yes, some things did get destroyed, but compared to ROC, which never had any traditional culture to begin with, if you want authentic Chinese cultur you must go to the mainland. You want to know what destruction really is like, ask the Hakka on Taiwan what the Japanese annihilation of Qing culture was like. Or ask your grandparents what the White Terror was like.
Okay, the thing is why would you learn traditional Chinese when most of CHINESE PEOPLE use simplified Chinese(BTW, why do you think the Chinese government changed it to the simplified Chinese in the first place?)? And why would you wanna go to Taiwan when there are so much more to do/eat, so many more places to visit, so many more more tranditional cultures to experience, and so much richer history it has in mainland China? It's a non brainer to me...
i think the second question wasn't really.... set up right? because your friend said that her school had their own scholarship for the taipei exchange but you should take into account that there's also a taiwanese scholarship for everyone (not only people from a specific school/university) so it's the same as the chinese (csc?) one everyone applied for. from what i've heard it's really hard to get the taiwanese scholarship and not so bad when it comes to the chinese if you chose a place that's not as popular as shanghai or beijing.
I guess it is because there are still plenty people think Taiwan is Thailand. If Traditional Chinese called traditional, it means it is original. So why so competitive to get in China?
@alex deutschina As we know, the traditional chinese retains the characterics since the chinese dynasty for thousands of years so that's why the main reason it is called "traditional". Whereas, the communists have been changing the traditional characterics to simplified version since 1950's to allow easier learning for billion chinese.
don't worry about the connection of traditional and simplified chinese, "oh i waste my time to learn this, 'coz i can't read another". no, u learn one, then u can read another one very easily.
No good or better, just different experience. In Taiwan, people will keep telling you how bad China is, China has not human rights, CCP is evil. But in China, people don’t judge(smear) others.
@@yapiww4569 You can say anything. But I never see a Chinese TV show producing hate speech towards those countries. But in US, Taiwan, India, too many unbelievable fake news on China trying to make people hate China. And they call it “freedom of speech”.
@@yjl3255 agreed,as long as you can control most of traditional media and social media, you can make people believe there is a genocide happening anywhere you want.
@@JohnDoe-gi7ty traditional character is more meaningful but complicated and harder for beginner. For example, the "love" word has a heart at the centre of the traditional character, but simplified character has removed the heart.
@@lukeheng7688 it is obviously misunderstood, if you are new to Chinese, how to dissected the character? You need to be certain level of understanding in order to do so. Secondly, a lot of those characters are tie to ancient culture, for a beginner, it is still useless.
@@JohnDoe-gi7ty if you really go into Chinese art of writing , youll notice traditional character really has something so called beautiful , For example Dragon , in simplified the character looked very simple while in traditional youll notice the character drawed like a dragon shape , something like that and some characters has combined by several character that has it own meaning in describing by the combining characters to be 1 character while in simplified mostly those unseen
Don't understand those choose to study Chinese inTaiwan. Harder to learn. Less connection to the future market. Declining Uni ranking. Weird pronouciation. Sensible people should have known what to choose.
taiwanese accent is a little bit girly and unformal, cause they use lots of unnecessary Tone particle。People in mainland china call it girly Chinese, or pussy accent. i''m sorry to say that, i know it's rude, but it's the truth.
If your pupose is to find job, choose mainland china to study the simplified chinese. If you are just interested in traditional chinese culture, choose taiwan to study traditional chinese(Taiwan keep the traditional chinese culture way better than mainland china). If you just are interested in some kind of foods, such as, stinky tofu, bat soup, both place are good options.
You are totally wrong, Taiwan is vigorously promoting de-Sinicization, while mainland China is paying more and more attention to the protection and development of traditional china culture. Don't forget that China has 1.4 billion people and Taiwan's population is not as much as Shanghai. How can you say that traditional Chinese culture, Taiwan will do better than the mainland?
To all, if you go to mainland china, you will have to force yourself to get accustomed to some(I said some, not all) people's way of thinking that lack the logic. For example: as what "the city of sky.3" said: " China has 1.4 billion people and Taiwan's population is not as much as Shanghai. How can you say that traditional Chinese culture, Taiwan will do better than the mainland?" Can you guys see any cause-effect relation that "more people" means "they will do somthing better"? so, just ignore these people. it is waste of time to communicate with each other between different Species(because of different IO). While Mainland China was busy destroying traditional culture in the late 1960s, the ROC ran a parallel campaign to do the opposite on Taiwan. Many of China’s national treasures were also relocated to Taiwan in 1949 during the retreat of the KMT. These treasures would have very likely been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. 1949 saw massive artistic and intellectual capital flight from Mainland China to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Those who remained in Mainland China were killed or humiliated during the Cultural Revolution. Taiwan certainly does not have a monopoly on traditional Chinese culture. However, nation’s traditions are shaped by its high culture, and it has been the domain of the upper class and educated people for millennia. China is no different. The KMT was comprised of the aristocracy. The CCP were uneducated peasants. Their very different views on Chinese culture and how they interacted and contributed to it has been very different. Additionally, the KMT is literally the Nationalist Party, with preservation of Chinese culture is at its core. The CCP until the death of Mao was loyal to communism, Chinese culture be damned, especially during the “Cultural” Revolution. Modern Mainland China has seen a resurgence of interest in traditions, but it is not comparable with Taiwan. If culture were food, Mainland China is an all-you-can-eat buffet of limitless variety, but Taiwan is a curated Imperial feast, fit for an emperor.
@@richardtomato5698 What the f... dude you SERIOUSLY need to learn Chinese culture and history. The idea that the ROC somehow "better represents traditional culture" is an utter lie propagated during the White Terror. Massive artistic and intellectual capital flight? Maybe to Hong Kong during the great famine, but most definitely not to the ROC. If an intellectual thought mainland China was repressive, why on earth would they escape to an even MORE repressive place in the ROC? The KMT, or the Nationalist Party, was a highly repressive fascist government after Sun Zhongshan's death. They never had any intention of preserving China's traditions and values. The Communists, meanwhile, focused on the culture of the peasantry, which in 1950 represented 95% of China's massive population. What you're suggesting (with the whole "only elites represent true culture" shtick) is akin to saying American culture is better represented by Wall Street bankers as opposed to Iowa middle class folks. And no, the government during the Cultural Revolution did not seek to destroy Chinese relics or the like. In fact, it was the exact opposite - the government was even more strict than normal in regards to cultural preservation. You can even look at the BBC's (yes, that notorious China basher but anyways ua-cam.com/video/UPuJcSkx8Es/v-deo.html start at 4:25 and end at 5:13, it's actually very interesting) documentary on Lady Dai's mummy. In 1972 the government was so strict about making sure relics were preserved that only one junior archaeologist dared to work with Lady Dai's mummy. Note: The Cultural Revolution was a populist movement, and unfortunately it unleashed a deep hatred of some of the relics that represented the tyrannical exploitation of China's peasantry by the landlords/nobility of the past. Hence why the government very quickly adopted very strict protections of China's history and culture. Taiwan ultimately represents a *very* fringe frontier of Chinese culture, namely SE Fujian culture. True Chinese traditional culture must be from the Central Plains, which means the ROC could *never* actually represent China.
The only difference is the writings. If you have the patience to study again, go ahead . If you are trying to save efforts ,stick to one language. If you are using the language for trade purposes, better go to study in Beijing,as most trade will conducted in Mainland China. Unless your product is unique to Taiwan ,then traditional Chinese will be useful to you. Accents can be different.
It *is* one language. I think you meant to say two scripts. However, if your goal is any sort of interaction with Chinese people, you MUST study in the mainland. Taiwan uses traditional characters, which means they CANNOT read simplified. However, mainland uses simplified characters, so they can read traditional. (This is the reason why the overseas Chinese community in America is forced to use traditional characters when we know there are people from Taiwan present - people from Taiwan can't read simplified)
The accent is different too, Taiwanese don't pronounce the words correctly and add an accent to everything, if you want to learn Chinese, go to mainland China.
emmm,I think study Chinese in mainland is most better than Taiwan 1.you will study the Pure pronunciation 2.simplified Chinese is much easier than traditional Chinese 3.life in mainland is most better than Taiwan 4.Traditional Chinese culture 5.The benefits are too numerous to count,Taiwan should not be compared with China at all
Go Malaysia, chinese there can understand both. U can learn simplified mandarin from school and all the local media use traditional mandarin. U can also learn many chinese dialect over malaysia.
I'd say don't be limited to just one side. Learn both, and even Malaysian and Singaporean Chinese if you can. There are differences but there are really not that many differences that obstruct communications (As you can see from the political comments below, people can even argue over political issues without misunderstanding...). Just be aware of the differences and you'll be fine.
I‘m Mainland Chinese. Simplified Chinese is much easier than traditional Chinese for foreigners, even though we use the simplified version, most of us can read and tell the traditional one. And... most importantly, in Mainland, we don't involve with political issues in our normal life. btw, a fun fact is that Nanjing was the real capital of Republic of China (Taiwan basically)
People in Taiwan of course can read and write simplified Chinese. There are fewer simplified Chinese characters than traditional Chinese characters, because CCP only made up some 70000 simplified Chinese characters, besides that all other characters are traditional characters, learning Chinese in Taiwan is recommend if you want to read harder Chinese like ancient Chinese or classic literature.
??? You REALLY need to read up on exactly what simplified means. When Kangxi made his definitive dictionary most of the characters were already out of favor. That is, most Chinese words were two characters and not one by Kangxi’s reign. By the time Simplified (as we know it) was introduced in the late 1800s, only about 6000 characters were still used in everyday speech. Most of the simplification process formed a consensus during the Republican and Fascist eras, though the final “version 1.0” was published in 1964. the PRC mostly reduced variant forms of the same stroke, and despite other considerations the 1964 version remained unchanged. The only known change in the years since was six characters returning to their original script and the discouragement of analogous replacements. So no, most traditional characters aren’t used even in regions that write traditional. Everybody uses the same set of roughly 3500 characters, and most of the characters that are the same between the two scripts are easy enough that simplification wasn’t necessary.
I wonder how much it cost to study in China as a non Chinese? Or in Taiwan. Which one is more cost effective? When I was studying, I couldn't afford study abroad at all. Now I live in Australia I won't be able to afford uni still, at best some qualification with government funding as I'm a permanent resident now. But studying in China certainly is affordable to majority of Chinese.
Both characters are great. but it is harder for foreigners as beginner to learn traditional ones. So I will suggest start from simplified first, if you learn deeper culture and history, then you can learn traditional ones. Taipei is a smaller size city and pressure is smaller than shanghai. I have been Taipei more many times, love the city. But I do not think which one is really better for foreigner to start experiencing Chinese culture. It really depending individual preference. But I think it is not so nice if you speak Chinese to them but they always speak English back to you. They want to learn but you also want to learn Chinese.
Well, actually, I feel sorry to tell you that I don't recommend you to learn Chinese in Taiwan. Because more and more people in that island don't think they are Chinese people anymore. I mean the majority of the people on that island don‘t consider themselves as Chinese people even though they are from ROC in their basic law. However, they don’t commit that, they only consider themselves from the Taiwan country but not China. So they DON’T DESERVE the Chinese culture. They should create their own Taiwan culture, Taiwan language, Taiwan character etc. Not use the Chinese anymore! Am I right? Yes, such a bummer to say that. But it is the situation now.
I would say 50/50, because learning Chinese in TW is a better way to learn Traditional Chinese, if learning ancient Chinese history/culture is your main goal, Traditional Chinese is the better way, because old Chinese books are all in Traditional Chinese, that's why there is always a group of people in mainland China are trying to bring Traditional Chinese back...
@@laylowstaylow In fact, most mainland Chinese who have received secondary education can read ancient books.And Taiwan ’s spoken language is greatly influenced by Minnan dialect, which is a little awkward for most Chinese speakers
@@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA 98%? U mean in recent decades? How many years of history do we have? How many knowledge/culture/books are traditional chinese? 98% simplified chinese? I don't think so…
@@shuda634 Read ancient books in traditional chinese or simplified chinese? I can hardly find a book written in traditional chinese in bookstore in mainland china… If u r talking about pronunciation, I would say that the system of both sides are different, u can do some research about why the systems are different…Besides there are so many people can not pronounce correctly because of local accents, u go different places with different pronunciations, is that weird to u too? By the way, the majority of the minnan language speaker are in mainland china, u do realize that, right?
Actually, Taiwan follows more old traditions, another there are more open mind in Taiwan. if u want to watch more natural landscapes, mainland of China is better.
For Mainland China, traditional and simplified are not a matter. But For foreigners, learn Tradition Chinese only if you plan to settle down in TW. Otherwise, go with simplified. Or you may have your preferences :)
China includes both the mainland and Taiwan island. You would offend mainland Chinese if you said "China, and Taiwan", because you are implying Taiwan is not part of China. The two regions are still technically at war.
Actually，most of Chinese in mainland can easily understand traditional and simplified Chinese words.But I Dont sure that would Taiwan or hongkong also can do It easily or not.
Ancient Chinese has invented Chinese character with logic, and it’s only exists in traditional Chinese now. once you get the logic, traditional Chinese is way more easy than simplified one. That leads the best benefit of study traditional Chinese- you can have the ability to read not only simplified Chinese but also all books and articles from thousands years ago, and that’s the main spirit of Chinese culture. It’s worthy! And about those two countries:Taiwan is definitely a more open and friendly choice for foreigners.
在大陆人们多同你讲中文，在台湾人们多同你讲英文。对这个现象，my understanding is more students in TW want to talk to you; but in mainland more normal people want to communicate with you.
to the 凯利, don’t pay attention to some guys who always talk about political shit, not all China netizens act like that. both mainland china and Taiwan has its own pros and cons. China is more competitive and have more sceneries to explore meanwhile Taiwan is more laid-back and more relative freedom in politics
Taiwanese accent is much gentler and we actually say “excuse me, sorry, please, thank you more often as British people”, mainlanders have too many different accents according to the region people are, they all sound very different, but basically most mainlanders mandarin sounds very “strong” and “harsh”, sounds rude even if they don’t really be impolite!!!
The most important thing is if you want to communicate with 99% of the Chinese people, come to mainland China. If not, you can go to our Taiwan Province to learn traditional Chinese. which is very very difficult to write and used only by less than 1% of Chinese (Taiwanese and Hongkonger)
@@conmiltan1014 Of course, sooner or later Taiwan become a province of PRC. Or maybe not, as it mighte turn out to be a city under Fujian Province of PRC.
Scandinavians usually sound American when the speak English, prolly because of the internet. There are Europeans that have distinctive accents when they speak English, i.e. French, Germans, Italians and of course the English!
if you want to learn the most accurate pronunciation of Chinese and a more competitive environment go to China. but if you want a more chill study environment then go to Taiwan. But most Chinese in mainland we know how to write in both traditional and simplified. and the reason on why China changes from traditional to simplified is to make the Chinese character more convenient and easier to learn for everyone, because we opened our market to the world, it’s actually a part of globalization.
JH826 W Absolutely false; the cultural revolution is what led to the change. Mao was adamant on destroying China’s cultural past - he has even wanted to completely latinize the Chinese language (like Vietnamese). Taiwan is also a much more globalized place than the mainland; per capita incomes are higher and the country has been open to trade for much longer than China has.
Ah! I am alumni of Xiamen University! But seriously, the southern prat of China normally have accent. Foreigners should pay attention in their daily life.
crazier than that even. The UK is pretty small, but the differences between English dialects can be very substantial. I've heard some cockney accents (east London) which were very hard to understand, even though English is my native language.
No offense, when you talk about Taiwan and mainland China, it’s better to call the bigger part “mainland” but not only “China”. This will cause less trouble. Mainlanders really take this seriously.
Zhuyin, not bopomofo. Bopomofo is just phonetics, similar to IPA to pronounce weird sounds. Zhuyin is what Taiwan uses to romanization Chinese characters.
In China, be happy if you get good complement. If you are black, you get the worst joke,like " look who is here, a black ghost, lets ran for cover". Or "He got burned inside the house, that's why he is black".
Doubling your words is only for toddlers like in your example 牽手手, no adult would ever say that! The cute comment about the Taiwanese accent is a mainland stereotype based on ignorance. To a Taiwanese mandarin speaker the mainland accent sounds like German to an English speaker, very harsh and grating.
@@yhho.2555one China with two presidents?(PRC's can't order Taiwanese's president?) Each one country has different militaries? It's a interesting thing.
Firstly I want to seriously point out that the girl is definitely an elegant Ms. Nina, and I miss Nina too. Secondly I want to give you a suggestion that choosing China Mainland might be a better choice for you than China's Taiwan. Reason No. 1 is traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese. Reason No. 2 is most historical relics and tourist attractions in China Mainland. But you can decide to choose anyone you like, hope my suggestion is helpful to you.
Every Word Is A Made-Up Word Please let president Cai to announce Taiwan is going to be independent as a country on 20th of May and then to say those words.
@蛙咖喱供 Opinion polls show the vast majority of Taiwanese want to retain distance from Mainland China. So, how many Taiwanese do you think Mainland China should kill when it invades the island. If 90% of Taiwanese want independence then 90% should die. What do you think?
I have a Master degree in Teaching of Chinese as a second language from a top 10 university in China. Let me explain to those who want to learn Chinese. The mandarin( 普通话pu tong hua in mainland China, 國語guo yu in Taiwan) is quite different between mainland China and Taiwan，lexically, phonetically, calligraphically.If you want to learn Chinese mandarin, please go to China, mainland China, ie Beijing, Shanghai, go to the top universities. Otherwise, Learning Chinese in Taiwan is kind of like a foreigner who want to learn English end up learning Scottish English in Scotland rather than learning English in USA.
On Taiwan if you go to Taibei University, they do teach proper Chinese there. Jiang Jingguo enforced proper Chinese during his tenure, but he was only able to reach so far, and degradation in the last 25 years means pretty much only Taibei University retains its old rigor. The elites of Taiwan, like their CEOs or top scientists, write and speak properly. But yeah if you go to someplace like Gaoxiong (no disrespect) you are absolutely right.
And learning traditional Chinese may be harder to write, but we all “type” now... why feel struggled? And many simplified Chinese characters has lost its beautiful meanings... for example “love in traditional character 愛 you can see a big heart in the middle of this character, but the simplified 爱 , the heart is missing” how can you feel love without a heart???? And this is not the only example, there are too many... anyways, if you are learning mandarin just to communicate, choose either way is okay, if you care about the multiple meaning of learning Chinese, traditional is better
I wouldn't say Tawanese accent is not "cuter", but just cheesy. Some ppl say it's "cuter"largely due to its relative rareness. An analogy being that: if standard Beijing accent sounds like American accent, standard mandarin accent from the Southen China ( e.g. Shanghai region) would sound like British accent, whereas Taiwanese Madarin accent would sound like someone talking in a remote town in Australia.
Anyone who tells traditional Chinese is more beautiful learns traditional Chinese first. You think simplified Chinese looks less uncomfortable afterward and some people tell you so. Tradional Chinese is difficult to recognize from distances because too many strokes make the characters like black patches.
I'm not recommend you learn Chinese in Taiwan if you want to communicate with mainland people,because now we not like that accent very much,we hear Taiwan accent from a foreigner will lose our welcome feeling and make fun of your 台湾腔（taiwan accent）,many Taiwan people not very friendly to us so they like to use foreigner to say bad about us,so we feel less friendly with foreigner who speak taiwan accent. even learn northeast accent better than taiwan accent.
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I’m originally from Taiwan and I can tell you between two average people with similar education level, the Mainlander would be so much better spoken than the Taiwanese. The Chinese language or culture is not even really cherished by the current generation of Taiwanese because of the increasingly stronger independence and “de-chinafy” movement. I find it funny that some tw people still feel self superior because they read and wrote traditional Chinese - that might be the only thing that’s really left that they are trying to preserve about Chinese culture.
Mainland Chinese who graduated college have the same level of expertise in terms of writing traditional Chinese as your typical person on Taiwan. It's not like most people on Taiwan can write the complicated characters. And in fact, the incorrect writing of Hong Kong's youth (they also use traditional) became the butt of many jokes.
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I think traditional Chinese characters are so beautiful.
but really hard. I am in mainland of china. and even though I am familiar with simplified chinese character. but I could not stand the complexity of tradational chinese character
@@刘阳-n3u It’s harder to learn and takes longer to write but it’s so so much better to read. When I read simplified Chinese often times i felt it’s so incomplete where traditional looks much better and beautiful.
@@DragonPupEclipse That's because you have a background in Traditional Chinese, or based on your own, objective view of "beauty". Someone with a Simplified Chinese background may look at it differently (especially if they are in the speed-writing business like mine). Traditional Chinese may also not be "traditional" when compared with other, older versions of Chinese characters. What would ancient Chinese literary scholars from 1000 years ago say when they look at these so-called "Traditional" Chinese these days ("oh, those heretics!").
Me too!
Actually, most of chinese people in mainland with well education can understand both traditional and simplified Chinese character, traditional Chinese is the root of Chinese nation and is more beautiful and meaningful, but simplified character is easy to learn and write.
I dropped out of school at the age of 15, I never expected I'd be associated with a "well-educated" guy someday, yet it doesn't necessarily bother me to recognize traditional Chinese characters despite the fact that I've never intentionally tried learning it before, I tend to believe it is more of an innate thing for mainlanders to read traditional words.
No they aren't, they are loud, rude and spit everywhere, u obviously have not traveled idiot
聽你在哭爸
chi na pig as u
Glenn Whitfield you really are a idiot those kind of thing happened in US and Europe also you running into a few cases it just means everyone’s like that you got that
I'm Chinese. A few years ago, when I was travelling to Berlin by train, I got off at a wrong station. I asked a lady in German about my whereabouts, and she replied in English (with a German accent). The conversation went on like that for quite a while until I gave up and switched to English. :-)
You don't wanna know the logistics behind that.
As a Taiwanese I found it so interesting to know your opinions about the difference. Thank you for sharing this interview. The other difference you can find it in this comments section. You will know what I mean:) By the way, if you come to Taiwan one day just let us know.
If I ever travel to Taiwan I will definitely reach out to you for some tips! :) hope you guys are staying safe! xx
I don't know what you mean, can you explain?
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@Every Word Is A Made-Up Word you are brainwashed to think that
I would say If you want to have an adventure, go with China. If you don’t want to use a VPN, and want access to western cuisines and want an open dialogue with people, I would choose Taiwan.
Vpn sure but western cuisines and open dialogues with people? Have u ever been to Shanghai? Shanghai makes New York looks like Taipei.
Jason lu I have been to Shanghai, and yeah, there’s expat areas, sure. But if any foreigner who wants to go on the internet outside of the great Chinese firewall, they need a VPN. You can’t have an open dialogue.
no offence, what do you mean about open dialogue?
I think there are even more western cuisines in mainland China now
GIve up China cuz VPN, OK , that 's smart ! Hope you enjoy the island 😂
lol, it’s very interesting for you guys talk about the difference between Taiwan and mainland.
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mainland China vs taiwan province! As we know,taiwan is a part of China!
Kaja 請無視那些想控制你想法的人
in my opinion，choose the local language where u lived，but the most important thing is to be yourself，follow your heart
the relationship between mainland china and taiwan is a sensitive issues for every Chinese, and this is a politically correct in China, and this is easy to make mistakes so please less talk about this
i mean in some details you should be careful
A little surprised that the cultural aspect is not a consideration factor here...
Taiwan is considered by many the best destination to understand and experience the authentic Chinese culture as it has preserved not only the beauty of the characters, but also and particularly the essence of the authentic Chinese religions, virtues and beliefs. More importantly, these are not preserved in the books, it's their way of life.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder..
A little surprised to read such a stereotype in 2020, more and more people born and raised up in Taiwan move to mainland China those years.
That's not true, mainland China is where the roots are and where the authentic culture has been preserved the best.
what the hell are you talking about? chinese culture in taiwan? the real authentic culture is in CHINA
This is an incredibly outdated outlook on Taiwan, which unsurprisingly has its origins from the Cultural Revolution. It's a misconception that a large part of Chinese culture was "lost" on the mainland during that time (even though it was only 15 years). In reality, the CR did nothing to erase Chinese culture, because a 15 year long purge still isn't enough time to get rid of 5,000 years worth of history and tradition. Taiwan has been selling that misconception so it can gain tourist traction.
I was born in China main land and had my university study in Shanghai. Now I am living in Canada and have my kids learning Chinese from a Taiwanese teacher. So it doesn't matter so long as my kids are learning the right Chinese.
I believe that the traditional Chinese is a treasure of Chinese culture. We should keep that.
@@cuteyes02 Totally agreed.
haha. why teach your children by yourself
fake
You can imagine Taiwan as a relatively westernized and democratic Chinese society, and it's also a hybrid society of China and Japan influence. Taiwanese accent do have a stronger presence in recent year of Chinese pop culture, Taiwan was the powerhouse of Chinese language pop culture from 2000-2012, even if you look at China's entertainment nowadays, the top influencer such as Jay Chou, are all Taiwanese, so Taiwanese accent is kinda of like California accent in US because of LA produces most of US films and TV shows.
Girls do gain a HUGE advantage if your Chinese is Taiwanese accent, all the Chinese, Hong Kong men are very jealous of Taiwanese guys because their Taiwanese girls are just so cute with their accent.(I also heard them talking about how hot Taiwanese girls are, but personally I grew up with them so I don't feel anything), and if you think you'd lost your popularity in China or get judged by your Taiwanese accent, no, you won't, because Taiwanese accent is also very similar to Southern Chinese accent, with your non-Asian look, people from Taiwan and China will assume you have an accent, and that's also the truth for maybe 90% of the foreigner students and workers, unless you grow up in Taiwan or China, then your accent might be completely local.
In China, people think Northern Chinese accent is more tough and manly, Southern Chinese accent is more soft, and gay if you're a guy. Funny thing is Taiwanese drama was so popular at the time and I have never heard of it until 2012, when China and Taiwan geopolitics gets heated again, and new generation Chinese feel they're superior than Taiwanese due to their economy boost, it was under a such background, I started to hear more and more Chinese talking about Taiwanese guys being gay, despite just 5 to 10 years ago, it wasn't.
Environment wise, China will definitely give you more cultural shocks, this probably will take another generation of time for Chinese to get used to seeing non-Asian face in their country. In Taiwan people do stare at you too, but they don't really staring for a long time, it's more like Japan or Korea, where people might look at you for a second or two because they notice you're non-Asian, but they'll walk right pass you.
Job wise, I'd say China is the winner, Taiwan doesn't offer much right now, what I often see is people straight up start their business here, range from street food to modeling agency, studios, marketing company, but other than that, your best bet for a job in Taiwan is still English teacher just like rest of Asia. China however, has more than that to offer since it's just a huge country, but whether you can land a job you want that's not an English teacher while studying, that's completely depends on your luck and your location.
The best way to choose is to experience both places, even if you got into one of the places, you can still go to another side during summer. Or you just have this mindset of "I don't care how China will shock me, I want the real, modern day China, bring whatever it is to me", then sure go to China to find out, some people do accept what they got in China and feel happy, some people just don't, I have seen that multiple times, including online like UA-cam or reddit, people eventually left China or go to Taiwan because of that. But you never know how you will take it, we never know it too.
I think it's just like Asian people coming to US, and they debate about going to blue state or red state is better for new immigrants, some find red states are not as racist as people say they are, some people find blue states are more racist, but they still choose to go blue states usually, because there are resources they can use. Same thing for Taiwan and China, I believe most of people will choose China first, after all, it's the place where Chinese culture originates, for better or worse, it's already part of Chinese culture, but if you choose Taiwan, you can always come and experience it then make your way to China, and if you can't accept whatever is offering you in China, you can always give Taiwan a shot before you going back to your country.
What a fun video
Taiwan- traditional chinese
China-simplified chinese
for most foreigners, simplified is much easier compared to traditional chinese
honestly, I don't think it's a big of a deal and shouldn't be a thing that influences your decision. everyone says that the system they start learning first is easier (simplified because is well simplified, and traditional because the characters have 'stories' behind them, looks better). it doesn't matter as much, especially comparing to other differences and even the jump between the systems is not that hard.
@@werosification in malaysia, majority of chinese can understand both. We learn simplified chinese from school and learn traditional chinese from local media.
The Chinese mainland recognizes all the ways of writing. Taiwan is just one of the kinds we write, and I can write about them.
if u learn chinese in mainland, you are not just learn the language itself but the diverse cultures behind it.
I'm not recommend you learn Chinese in Taiwan if you want to communicate with mainland people,because now we not like that accent very much,we hear Taiwan accent from a foreigner will lose our welcome feeling and make fun of your 台湾腔（taiwan accent）,many Taiwan people not very friendly to us so they like to use foreigner to say bad about us,so we feel less friendly with foreigner who speak taiwan accent. even learn northeast accent better than taiwan accent.
I want to say you can learn chinese in Malaysia . We learn how to write simplified chinese and we understand how to read traditional chinese . In malaysia we uses both . Simplified chienese is used for writing essays ,Traditional chinese is used for the name of the store and heading of the news and advertisement and formal letter . Learning mandarin is not more challenge in Malaysia especially for people who speaking english because Malaysian can speak English . We also speak many dialects like cantonese and hakka and ..... .You can learn them in Malaysia . Anyway Malaysia is the good place to learn mandarin and Malaysia Chinese culture .
Good to know!
But even your own people send their kids to Taiwan and China for university.... why would anyone else coming to Malaysia to learn when all of your people are leaving? Those kids who graduated from university in China or Taiwan almost all went to Singapore for job..... I'd say you need take care of Malaysian government first, making them treat you Chinese with equality, then maybe you can have the environment to get more people going to Malaysia
For all native Chinese speakers, from mainland China or from Taiwan, traditional Chinese vs simplified Chinese is never a real problem. I myself went thru primary and secondary school learning simplified Chinese, but I never have any problem reading traditional Chinese. Same is true for people from Taiwan and Hong Kong, none of them have difficulty reading and understanding simplified Chinese. That may be a bigger problem from non-native Chinese speakers. My daughter (born and raised in California) learned Chinese at home and in weekend Chinese school, simplified Chinese. Although she can speak Chinese fluently, she still complained about cannot read traditional Chinese. So, my suggestion for non-native Chinese speakers, please first understand your purpose of learning Chinese. If it is for everyday use in modern Chinese speaking societies, even in Hong Kong and Taiwan, simplified Chinese should be enough. If you are interested in Chinese dialects, then mainland China offers much much more opportunities. However, if you are interested in history, Chinese art, or Chinese literature, than you should start with traditional Chinese.
Another aspect of Chinese learning was not touched at all in this program. I am a little surprised. That is, the tool to help Chinese pronunciation. Even for native Chinese speakers, none of us can claim we know how to pronounce Chinese 100%, not even 95%. We always need a tool to help us pronounce Chinese characters, usually this is the same tool for Chinese keyboard input. For English speakers (or for native speakers of any other roman alphabet languages), it is very easy to use the Hang Yu Ping Yin of mainland China (also widely used in Singapore or Malaysia). The Katagana style Zhu Yin used in Taiwan is a very different story.
I disagree in regards to using traditional script if you are interested in art history or the like. If your goal is to learn calculus, you still have to start with arithmetic before anything else. You should. It jump straight into traditional script as a foreigner.
And regardless, you will still need to go to the mainland if your purpose is to learn anything authentically Chinese. Going to Taiwan is just living a Western lifestyle with pseudo-Chinese “culture” that has been heavily neutered.
Lived in Beijing and Shanghai six years and thinking to go to Taipei to study Chinese so thanks for answering many of my questions right now ☺️☺️☺️
A very special and informative video about learning simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese, also the feeling of the different culture for foreigners.
I think the simplified vs. traditional difference seems extremely daunting for the first few days, but if you have a strong foundation in one character set, I think you can get up to speed in *reading* the other character set pretty quickly (handwriting is a different story). When I visited Taiwan after studying simplified characters, I was super frustrated the first couple of days, but I bought beginner and intermediate textbooks with traditional characters and read through them cover to cover in my downtime. Since I already knew the words and grammar in the texts, it was just a remedial reading exercise to get familiar with traditional characters. I already started noticing a huge difference within a few days. You are also seeing a lot of the same characters everywhere you go, so even if they have a ridiculous number of strokes and components, you start to recognize them, just like you understand ‘+’ means plus and ‘%’ means percent. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s not nearly as hard as I thought it would be.
Thank you for this video. It’s really helpful
You can learn Simplified Chinese first then it will be easier to learn Traditional Chinese. I am mainland Chinese but I can read Traditional characters without any problem and can write some characters in the traditional form , since I grew up watching HK TW dramas with traditional characters in the subtitles. I like to type Chinese in traditional characters as well.
You are a native speaker, that's a different thing, for a foreigner, learn traditional charecters once, and you can read them both
I can read many Traditional characters but I have never learned them. I think this is the same case for many Mainlanders. And many mainlanders practice calligraphy, they wrote traditional Chinese because they are more beautiful.
There’s a big difference between spoken Chinese or Mandarin in Taiwan and China for sure. Personally because of political beliefs, I think Taiwan is a better place to live and study or work 🙌💯
No,no,no
so funny
In Taiwan your own liberty is hate China. If you say you love China, then you’ll be censored or you’ll be called by the government for a political background check. Forget this crazy place and these crazy people, if you want a future, you should go to mainland China.
Wow, I like your video, great topic great discussion
China is always a better place to learn Chinese culture. Taiwan is a good place to see how China might have been affected by Japan.
Walden the supermodel what about culture revolution 🤭
Don’t just follow propaganda, learn what the cultural revolution actually was and think critically about it. This idea that it somehow “destroyed Chinese cultur” is a complete lie. Yes, some things did get destroyed, but compared to ROC, which never had any traditional culture to begin with, if you want authentic Chinese cultur you must go to the mainland.
You want to know what destruction really is like, ask the Hakka on Taiwan what the Japanese annihilation of Qing culture was like. Or ask your grandparents what the White Terror was like.
Okay, the thing is why would you learn traditional Chinese when most of CHINESE PEOPLE use simplified Chinese(BTW, why do you think the Chinese government changed it to the simplified Chinese in the first place?)? And why would you wanna go to Taiwan when there are so much more to do/eat, so many more places to visit, so many more more tranditional cultures to experience, and so much richer history it has in mainland China? It's a non brainer to me...
Great ☺️☺️☺️ video 👍👍
Thank you 🤗
ive been in chinese school since kindergarten and i would say i barely have elementary level chinese even to this day! it's SO difficult
i think the second question wasn't really.... set up right? because your friend said that her school had their own scholarship for the taipei exchange but you should take into account that there's also a taiwanese scholarship for everyone (not only people from a specific school/university) so it's the same as the chinese (csc?) one everyone applied for. from what i've heard it's really hard to get the taiwanese scholarship and not so bad when it comes to the chinese if you chose a place that's not as popular as shanghai or beijing.
I guess it is because there are still plenty people think Taiwan is Thailand.
If Traditional Chinese called traditional, it means it is original. So why so competitive to get in China?
@alex deutschina dont decevive yourself. Who first? The ROC or Tje PROC?
@alex deutschina As we know, the traditional chinese retains the characterics since the chinese dynasty for thousands of years so that's why the main reason it is called "traditional". Whereas, the communists have been changing the traditional characterics to simplified version since 1950's to allow easier learning for billion chinese.
don't worry about the connection of traditional and simplified chinese, "oh i waste my time to learn this, 'coz i can't read another".
no, u learn one, then u can read another one very easily.
Love the backdrop @Zhendifei!
it looks like your artistic direction
@@KajaKubicka hahaha never! :P
Taiwanese are very good, I would prefer to be in Taiwan
No good or better, just different experience. In Taiwan, people will keep telling you how bad China is, China has not human rights, CCP is evil. But in China, people don’t judge(smear) others.
@@fredcoffee8141 That’s not true. Both sides do the same. Just depends on the individual.
@@fredcoffee8141 In China, people hate American,Japanese, Indian.......
@@yapiww4569 You can say anything. But I never see a Chinese TV show producing hate speech towards those countries. But in US, Taiwan, India, too many unbelievable fake news on China trying to make people hate China. And they call it “freedom of speech”.
@@yjl3255 agreed,as long as you can control most of traditional media and social media, you can make people believe there is a genocide happening anywhere you want.
Watching Chinese soap opera with English subtitle should help a lot, like on Netflix.
do you know any good ones that are not too difficult? :)
@@KajaKubicka there was one teen soap opera called "Meteor Garden" 流星花园 made by mainland， you can find it on Netflix.
@@KajaKubicka Actually there are free ones on youtube if you don't have Netflix, like this one: ua-cam.com/video/rJ8iFqU-dok/v-deo.html
Simplified Chinese is much more easier to write and read, but traditional Chinese is more beautiful
What is the standard for a character to call beautiful?
@@JohnDoe-gi7ty traditional character is more meaningful but complicated and harder for beginner. For example, the "love" word has a heart at the centre of the traditional character, but simplified character has removed the heart.
@@lukeheng7688 but actually, love is not made by a heart, but by a brain.
@@lukeheng7688 it is obviously misunderstood, if you are new to Chinese, how to dissected the character? You need to be certain level of understanding in order to do so. Secondly, a lot of those characters are tie to ancient culture, for a beginner, it is still useless.
@@JohnDoe-gi7ty if you really go into Chinese art of writing , youll notice traditional character really has something so called beautiful , For example Dragon , in simplified the character looked very simple while in traditional youll notice the character drawed like a dragon shape , something like that and some characters has combined by several character that has it own meaning in describing by the combining characters to be 1 character while in simplified mostly those unseen
Don't understand those choose to study Chinese inTaiwan. Harder to learn. Less connection to the future market. Declining Uni ranking. Weird pronouciation. Sensible people should have known what to choose.
taiwanese accent is a little bit girly and unformal, cause they use lots of unnecessary Tone particle。People in mainland china call it girly Chinese, or pussy accent. i''m sorry to say that, i know it's rude, but it's the truth.
Luyao Ma because many mainlanders are rude
HsinLin Lu hahaha, so are you.
Taiwanese pronunciation is more beautiful
Congratulation that you can "Climb the wall" to hook up youtube if you are in Chna.
If your pupose is to find job, choose mainland china to study the simplified chinese. If you are just interested in traditional chinese culture, choose taiwan to study traditional chinese(Taiwan keep the traditional chinese culture way better than mainland china). If you just are interested in some kind of foods, such as, stinky tofu, bat soup, both place are good options.
You are totally wrong, Taiwan is vigorously promoting de-Sinicization, while mainland China is paying more and more attention to the protection and development of traditional china culture. Don't forget that China has 1.4 billion people and Taiwan's population is not as much as Shanghai. How can you say that traditional Chinese culture, Taiwan will do better than the mainland?
To all, if you go to mainland china, you will have to force yourself to get accustomed to some(I said some, not all) people's way of thinking that lack the logic. For example: as what "the city of sky.3" said: " China has 1.4 billion people and Taiwan's population is not as much as Shanghai. How can you say that traditional Chinese culture, Taiwan will do better than the mainland?" Can you guys see any cause-effect relation that "more people" means "they will do somthing better"? so, just ignore these people. it is waste of time to communicate with each other between different Species(because of different IO).
While Mainland China was busy destroying traditional culture in the late 1960s, the ROC ran a parallel campaign to do the opposite on Taiwan.
Many of China’s national treasures were also relocated to Taiwan in 1949 during the retreat of the KMT. These treasures would have very likely been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution.
1949 saw massive artistic and intellectual capital flight from Mainland China to Taiwan and Hong Kong. Those who remained in Mainland China were killed or humiliated during the Cultural Revolution.
Taiwan certainly does not have a monopoly on traditional Chinese culture. However, nation’s traditions are shaped by its high culture, and it has been the domain of the upper class and educated people for millennia. China is no different.
The KMT was comprised of the aristocracy. The CCP were uneducated peasants. Their very different views on Chinese culture and how they interacted and contributed to it has been very different.
Additionally, the KMT is literally the Nationalist Party, with preservation of Chinese culture is at its core. The CCP until the death of Mao was loyal to communism, Chinese culture be damned, especially during the “Cultural” Revolution.
Modern Mainland China has seen a resurgence of interest in traditions, but it is not comparable with Taiwan. If culture were food, Mainland China is an all-you-can-eat buffet of limitless variety, but Taiwan is a curated Imperial feast, fit for an emperor.
@@richardtomato5698 What the f... dude you SERIOUSLY need to learn Chinese culture and history. The idea that the ROC somehow "better represents traditional culture" is an utter lie propagated during the White Terror.
Massive artistic and intellectual capital flight? Maybe to Hong Kong during the great famine, but most definitely not to the ROC. If an intellectual thought mainland China was repressive, why on earth would they escape to an even MORE repressive place in the ROC?
The KMT, or the Nationalist Party, was a highly repressive fascist government after Sun Zhongshan's death. They never had any intention of preserving China's traditions and values. The Communists, meanwhile, focused on the culture of the peasantry, which in 1950 represented 95% of China's massive population. What you're suggesting (with the whole "only elites represent true culture" shtick) is akin to saying American culture is better represented by Wall Street bankers as opposed to Iowa middle class folks.
And no, the government during the Cultural Revolution did not seek to destroy Chinese relics or the like. In fact, it was the exact opposite - the government was even more strict than normal in regards to cultural preservation. You can even look at the BBC's (yes, that notorious China basher but anyways ua-cam.com/video/UPuJcSkx8Es/v-deo.html start at 4:25 and end at 5:13, it's actually very interesting) documentary on Lady Dai's mummy. In 1972 the government was so strict about making sure relics were preserved that only one junior archaeologist dared to work with Lady Dai's mummy.
Note: The Cultural Revolution was a populist movement, and unfortunately it unleashed a deep hatred of some of the relics that represented the tyrannical exploitation of China's peasantry by the landlords/nobility of the past. Hence why the government very quickly adopted very strict protections of China's history and culture.
Taiwan ultimately represents a *very* fringe frontier of Chinese culture, namely SE Fujian culture. True Chinese traditional culture must be from the Central Plains, which means the ROC could *never* actually represent China.
@@richardtomato5698 In Taiwan,we don't eat bat soup~We don't eat cats or dogs,too.
U had me until u said bat soup. Couldn't take u seriously after that.
The only difference is the writings. If you have the patience to study again, go ahead . If you are trying to save efforts ,stick to one language. If you are using the language for trade purposes, better go to study in Beijing,as most trade will conducted in Mainland China. Unless your product is unique to Taiwan ,then traditional Chinese will be useful to you. Accents can be different.
It *is* one language. I think you meant to say two scripts. However, if your goal is any sort of interaction with Chinese people, you MUST study in the mainland. Taiwan uses traditional characters, which means they CANNOT read simplified. However, mainland uses simplified characters, so they can read traditional.
(This is the reason why the overseas Chinese community in America is forced to use traditional characters when we know there are people from Taiwan present - people from Taiwan can't read simplified)
The accent is different too, Taiwanese don't pronounce the words correctly and add an accent to everything, if you want to learn Chinese, go to mainland China.
emmm,I think study Chinese in mainland is most better than Taiwan
1.you will study the Pure pronunciation
2.simplified Chinese is much easier than traditional Chinese
3.life in mainland is most better than Taiwan
4.Traditional Chinese culture
5.The benefits are too numerous to count,Taiwan should not be compared with China at all
"Taiwan should not be compared with China at all"
Isn't Taiwan part of China? lol.
Thank you for this ugh
If you plan to live and work at mainland China, you should study at there; Otherwise ,you should choose the island. For save your time to adapt.
OMG! I would love to study in either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok after this, I really want to study Chinese! Both in China, or Taiwan! :D
welcome！！！ after the epidemic！！！
Go Malaysia, chinese there can understand both. U can learn simplified mandarin from school and all the local media use traditional mandarin. U can also learn many chinese dialect over malaysia.
I'd say don't be limited to just one side. Learn both, and even Malaysian and Singaporean Chinese if you can. There are differences but there are really not that many differences that obstruct communications (As you can see from the political comments below, people can even argue over political issues without misunderstanding...). Just be aware of the differences and you'll be fine.
I‘m Mainland Chinese. Simplified Chinese is much easier than traditional Chinese for foreigners, even though we use the simplified version, most of us can read and tell the traditional one. And... most importantly, in Mainland, we don't involve with political issues in our normal life. btw, a fun fact is that Nanjing was the real capital of Republic of China (Taiwan basically)
Nanjing is still the capital of Republic of China actually. At least from their constitution
People in Taiwan of course can read and write simplified Chinese. There are fewer simplified Chinese characters than traditional Chinese characters, because CCP only made up some 70000 simplified Chinese characters, besides that all other characters are traditional characters, learning Chinese in Taiwan is recommend if you want to read harder Chinese like ancient Chinese or classic literature.
??? You REALLY need to read up on exactly what simplified means. When Kangxi made his definitive dictionary most of the characters were already out of favor. That is, most Chinese words were two characters and not one by Kangxi’s reign. By the time Simplified (as we know it) was introduced in the late 1800s, only about 6000 characters were still used in everyday speech.
Most of the simplification process formed a consensus during the Republican and Fascist eras, though the final “version 1.0” was published in 1964. the PRC mostly reduced variant forms of the same stroke, and despite other considerations the 1964 version remained unchanged. The only known change in the years since was six characters returning to their original script and the discouragement of analogous replacements.
So no, most traditional characters aren’t used even in regions that write traditional. Everybody uses the same set of roughly 3500 characters, and most of the characters that are the same between the two scripts are easy enough that simplification wasn’t necessary.
I wonder how much it cost to study in China as a non Chinese? Or in Taiwan. Which one is more cost effective? When I was studying, I couldn't afford study abroad at all. Now I live in Australia I won't be able to afford uni still, at best some qualification with government funding as I'm a permanent resident now. But studying in China certainly is affordable to majority of Chinese.
If you want to actually live off campus, Taiwan is going to be more affordable. If you just want to stay on campus, PRChina will be more affordable.
Both characters are great. but it is harder for foreigners as beginner to learn traditional ones. So I will suggest start from simplified first, if you learn deeper culture and history, then you can learn traditional ones. Taipei is a smaller size city and pressure is smaller than shanghai. I have been Taipei more many times, love the city. But I do not think which one is really better for foreigner to start experiencing Chinese culture. It really depending individual preference. But I think it is not so nice if you speak Chinese to them but they always speak English back to you. They want to learn but you also want to learn Chinese.
feel like to learn and do every thing in a " free style" environment.
Well, actually, I feel sorry to tell you that I don't recommend you to learn Chinese in Taiwan. Because more and more people in that island don't think they are Chinese people anymore. I mean the majority of the people on that island don‘t consider themselves as Chinese people even though they are from ROC in their basic law. However, they don’t commit that, they only consider themselves from the Taiwan country but not China. So they DON’T DESERVE the Chinese culture. They should create their own Taiwan culture, Taiwan language, Taiwan character etc. Not use the Chinese anymore! Am I right? Yes, such a bummer to say that. But it is the situation now.
I would say 50/50, because learning Chinese in TW is a better way to learn Traditional Chinese, if learning ancient Chinese history/culture is your main goal, Traditional Chinese is the better way, because old Chinese books are all in Traditional Chinese, that's why there is always a group of people in mainland China are trying to bring Traditional Chinese back...
98% Chinese use simplified Chinese, and you say it is 50/50 ? I can't understand.
@@laylowstaylow In fact, most mainland Chinese who have received secondary education can read ancient books.And Taiwan ’s spoken language is greatly influenced by Minnan dialect, which is a little awkward for most Chinese speakers
@@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA 98%? U mean in recent decades? How many years of history do we have? How many knowledge/culture/books are traditional chinese? 98% simplified chinese? I don't think so…
@@shuda634 Read ancient books in traditional chinese or simplified chinese? I can hardly find a book written in traditional chinese in bookstore in mainland china…
If u r talking about pronunciation, I would say that the system of both sides are different, u can do some research about why the systems are different…Besides there are so many people can not pronounce correctly because of local accents, u go different places with different pronunciations, is that weird to u too?
By the way, the majority of the minnan language speaker are in mainland china, u do realize that, right?
Always admire folks who decide to learn Chinese as the characters alone will kill me!😂
One thing you need to know about the 'cute' accent they mentioned around 6:05: it's only for girls. For guys, that sounds weird....
The truth is there are more and more males in Taiwan acting as if they are females...
Actually, Taiwan follows more old traditions, another there are more open mind in Taiwan. if u want to watch more natural landscapes, mainland of China is better.
The people who learn simplified Chinese can read traditional Chinese easily, but maybe a little difficult in writing, so it's not a big deal.
Either way depending on the local support you can get.
For Mainland China, traditional and simplified are not a matter. But For foreigners, learn Tradition Chinese only if you plan to settle down in TW. Otherwise, go with simplified. Or you may have your preferences :)
I have to say, simplified chinese have some questions like love word without no heart :0
So all your emotions come from your heart instead of your dumb brain ?
China includes both the mainland and Taiwan island. You would offend mainland Chinese if you said "China, and Taiwan", because you are implying Taiwan is not part of China. The two regions are still technically at war.
Taiwanese dont consider Taiwan part of China
Actually，most of Chinese in mainland can easily understand traditional and simplified Chinese words.But I Dont sure that would Taiwan or hongkong also can do It easily or not.
熊三 if you watch dramas often, then you’ll know.
@@more0531 by the way，I mean we can understand traditional Chinese words But I just can read .no writing......dramas ?what do you mean?
Ｉdon't sure 哪們子的英文，台灣人的中文和英文都比你26人好，不用擔心，台灣人連日文都懂，還會看不懂簡體字？
Ancient Chinese has invented Chinese character with logic, and it’s only exists in traditional Chinese now. once you get the logic, traditional Chinese is way more easy than simplified one.
That leads the best benefit of study traditional Chinese- you can have the ability to read not only simplified Chinese but also all books and articles from thousands years ago, and that’s the main spirit of Chinese culture.
It’s worthy!
And about those two countries:Taiwan is definitely a more open and friendly choice for foreigners.
F JO taiwan more friendly？are u joking
@@知了-y1m 不歡迎26，你還是乖乖待在監獄
在大陆人们多同你讲中文，在台湾人们多同你讲英文。对这个现象，my understanding is more students in TW want to talk to you; but in mainland more normal people want to communicate with you.
NO.1,when will u came back to china?
when will the borders open? ;((
@@KajaKubicka soon😂😂😂
外国人现在无法入境啊兄弟。中国人自己都没航班回去了
隔离叫quarantine封城才叫lockdown
to the 凯利, don’t pay attention to some guys who always talk about political shit, not all China netizens act like that. both mainland china and Taiwan has its own pros and cons. China is more competitive and have more sceneries to explore meanwhile Taiwan is more laid-back and more relative freedom in politics
Taiwanese accent is much gentler and we actually say “excuse me, sorry, please, thank you more often as British people”, mainlanders have too many different accents according to the region people are, they all sound very different, but basically most mainlanders mandarin sounds very “strong” and “harsh”, sounds rude even if they don’t really be impolite!!!
这就是中国，南方阴柔，北方粗犷。过柔就会软弱，过刚则易折。相互调和，才能保持民族性的中庸。
这就是中国政权的更迭都是从北方打败南方政权实现的原因。南方虽发达，但性格太弱，易出妥协投降派；北方经济虽弱，但信奉“就是烂命一条”“王侯将相宁有种乎”。相互调和，平衡，成中庸之道
Taiwanese accent sounds dumb the way they speak is super irritating they don't even pronounce the words correctly.
The most important thing is if you want to communicate with 99% of the Chinese people, come to mainland China. If not, you can go to our Taiwan Province to learn traditional Chinese. which is very very difficult to write and used only by less than 1% of Chinese (Taiwanese and Hongkonger)
Taiwan province. lol. Just keep making the dream that Taiwan is part of People's Republic of China.
@@conmiltan1014 Of course, sooner or later Taiwan become a province of PRC. Or maybe not, as it mighte turn out to be a city under Fujian Province of PRC.
does zhen diefei have a yt channel?
no but she has instagram @zhendifei :)
主要看你喜欢哪里吧，简体字更简单，不过学会哪个都可以，都能互相理解，简体繁体都能看懂
Are you back to china now ?you location was in china
China hasn't allowed international travel yet, so she can't be in China yet.
Good job
Thanks :)
简体字 vs 繁体字 (simplified vs traditional) --＞ 等于 -- ＞ bikini VS burka
Hey kaja just out of curiosity is that what European accent sounds like? cz to me you sound very American.
Scandinavians usually sound American when the speak English, prolly because of the internet. There are Europeans that have distinctive accents when they speak English, i.e. French, Germans, Italians and of course the English!
To you. But certainly not to an actual English speaker I assure you.
girls are ok to learn in both place but pls guys go to BEIJING study chinese , the accent of Taiwanese speaking sounds kinds of girly
It is a polite accent in Taiwan.
watch out for SJW.
if you want to learn the most accurate pronunciation of Chinese and a more competitive environment go to China. but if you want a more chill study environment then go to Taiwan. But most Chinese in mainland we know how to write in both traditional and simplified. and the reason on why China changes from traditional to simplified is to make the Chinese character more convenient and easier to learn for everyone, because we opened our market to the world, it’s actually a part of globalization.
JH826 W Absolutely false; the cultural revolution is what led to the change. Mao was adamant on destroying China’s cultural past - he has even wanted to completely latinize the Chinese language (like Vietnamese). Taiwan is also a much more globalized place than the mainland; per capita incomes are higher and the country has been open to trade for much longer than China has.
It is kinda like study korean in north korea or south korea!
China is definitely North Korea lol
She is Nina's sister!!
👏🏼👏🏼
Ah! I am alumni of Xiamen University! But seriously, the southern prat of China normally have accent. Foreigners should pay attention in their daily life.
But yeah nah traditional chinese is easy to read at least to me i just learned by texting people but its not hadd at all but writing is haha
The topic that you choose can make your video's watch count growup quickly. But I don't think it 's a good idea.
Welcome to Taiwan !
女人在聊天 所以你遇到東西都只挑簡單的學？烹飪太難了所以我煮方便麵就好？這世界上還有很多書寫比中文困難的語言，有人會建議想學好不用學寫字嗎？
@女人在聊天 說的好呀，先"干"為敬.
@cityhunterhf 看古文跟学习繁简体毫无关系好吗，难道你学古文看的是古书，还是竹简？
jajaja～The question is very simple，Let me give you a “bad example”， like learning English in the UK? Or Australia?😂
true.Taiwan chinese accent is even worse than Australia english accent
crazier than that even. The UK is pretty small, but the differences between English dialects can be very substantial. I've heard some cockney accents (east London) which were very hard to understand, even though English is my native language.
👍👍😊
No offense, when you talk about Taiwan and mainland China, it’s better to call the bigger part “mainland” but not only “China”. This will cause less trouble. Mainlanders really take this seriously.
So? We all know that they are actually different. Why pretend Taiwan is a part of the People's Republic?
Someone is still dreaming…
pinyin is much easier than bopomofo.
Zhuyin, not bopomofo. Bopomofo is just phonetics, similar to IPA to pronounce weird sounds. Zhuyin is what Taiwan uses to romanization Chinese characters.
I prefer mailand spoken chinese but traditional characters.
In China, be happy if you get good complement. If you are black, you get the worst joke,like " look who is here, a black ghost, lets ran for cover". Or "He got burned inside the house, that's why he is black".
I want to learning chines in Taiwan😍
Doubling your words is only for toddlers like in your example 牽手手, no adult would ever say that! The cute comment about the Taiwanese accent is a mainland stereotype based on ignorance. To a Taiwanese mandarin speaker the mainland accent sounds like German to an English speaker, very harsh and grating.
people's republic of China and republic of China，which one is real China
One China with two different political party
@@yhho.2555one China with two presidents?(PRC's can't order Taiwanese's president?) Each one country has different militaries? It's a interesting thing.
Firstly I want to seriously point out that the girl is definitely an elegant Ms. Nina, and I miss Nina too.
Secondly I want to give you a suggestion that choosing China Mainland might be a better choice for you than China's Taiwan. Reason No. 1 is traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese. Reason No. 2 is most historical relics and tourist attractions in China Mainland.
But you can decide to choose anyone you like, hope my suggestion is helpful to you.
Studying Polski in Mazowsze vs Poland? What's better?
good question
Every Word Is A Made-Up Word Please let president Cai to announce Taiwan is going to be independent as a country on 20th of May and then to say those words.
@蛙咖喱供 Opinion polls show the vast majority of Taiwanese want to retain distance from Mainland China. So, how many Taiwanese do you think Mainland China should kill when it invades the island. If 90% of Taiwanese want independence then 90% should die. What do you think?
I have a Master degree in Teaching of Chinese as a second language from a top 10 university in China. Let me explain to those who want to learn Chinese. The mandarin( 普通话pu tong hua in mainland China, 國語guo yu in Taiwan) is quite different between mainland China and Taiwan，lexically, phonetically, calligraphically.If you want to learn Chinese mandarin, please go to China, mainland China, ie Beijing, Shanghai, go to the top universities. Otherwise, Learning Chinese in Taiwan is kind of like a foreigner who want to learn English end up learning Scottish English in Scotland rather than learning English in USA.
On Taiwan if you go to Taibei University, they do teach proper Chinese there. Jiang Jingguo enforced proper Chinese during his tenure, but he was only able to reach so far, and degradation in the last 25 years means pretty much only Taibei University retains its old rigor. The elites of Taiwan, like their CEOs or top scientists, write and speak properly. But yeah if you go to someplace like Gaoxiong (no disrespect) you are absolutely right.
It doesn't matter, knowing either it pretty much enable you to know 80% of the other one. But I do think Taiwan's accent is really wired.
And learning traditional Chinese may be harder to write, but we all “type” now... why feel struggled? And many simplified Chinese characters has lost its beautiful meanings... for example “love in traditional character 愛 you can see a big heart in the middle of this character, but the simplified 爱 , the heart is missing” how can you feel love without a heart???? And this is not the only example, there are too many... anyways, if you are learning mandarin just to communicate, choose either way is okay, if you care about the multiple meaning of learning Chinese, traditional is better
you mean mainland china or you don't even know about it
I wouldn't say Tawanese accent is not "cuter", but just cheesy. Some ppl say it's "cuter"largely due to its relative rareness. An analogy being that: if standard Beijing accent sounds like American accent, standard mandarin accent from the Southen China ( e.g. Shanghai region) would sound like British accent, whereas Taiwanese Madarin accent would sound like someone talking in a remote town in Australia.
Anyone who tells traditional Chinese is more beautiful learns traditional Chinese first. You think simplified Chinese looks less uncomfortable afterward and some people tell you so. Tradional Chinese is difficult to recognize from distances because too many strokes make the characters like black patches.
I'm not recommend you learn Chinese in Taiwan if you want to communicate with mainland people,because now we not like that accent very much,we hear Taiwan accent from a foreigner will lose our welcome feeling and make fun of your 台湾腔（taiwan accent）,many Taiwan people not very friendly to us so they like to use foreigner to say bad about us,so we feel less friendly with foreigner who speak taiwan accent. even learn northeast accent better than taiwan accent.
How funny how so many Mainland Chinese love Taiwanese celebrities 🤨
hey byKaja , I think for the first time ur comment section will become a battle zone. R u still in DK ? would u like to hang out for a coffe. Jeg bor i Lyngby.
It is harder to get hired in Taiwan because the government minimum salary restrictions, there is a French girl Juliet had some videos about that.
Just found UA-cam cancelled my subscription to your channel!
;(((
free speech!
I’m originally from Taiwan and I can tell you between two average people with similar education level, the Mainlander would be so much better spoken than the Taiwanese. The Chinese language or culture is not even really cherished by the current generation of Taiwanese because of the increasingly stronger independence and “de-chinafy” movement. I find it funny that some tw people still feel self superior because they read and wrote traditional Chinese - that might be the only thing that’s really left that they are trying to preserve about Chinese culture.
Most mainland Chinese can read traditional Chinese but can't write traditional Chinese, 😂
Mainland Chinese who graduated college have the same level of expertise in terms of writing traditional Chinese as your typical person on Taiwan. It's not like most people on Taiwan can write the complicated characters. And in fact, the incorrect writing of Hong Kong's youth (they also use traditional) became the butt of many jokes.
Well it's a different case in Guangdong, most schools there actually teach Traditional. It's just people there lack the motivation to do so.
@@28palms40 perhaps they think a lot of students will go to hong kong where they use traditional later
She looks like your friend Nina