This is a pretty bad take IMO. The only real valid argument is the 3rd one in this video. The first two are correct but it does nothing to validate or invalidate previous records. As society advances there will be more information and technologies that will aid our athletes today and in the future. This is literally just a hallmark of an advancing society, which we are and should be unless you expect us to be stagnant in one place forever? This not only goes for sports but also follows in other fields and professions. As time progresses, records will be broken as more and more data points are graphed and more and more outliers are recorded. Not only are we learning more and getting better at our competencies, sports and the barrier for entry are becoming more accessible for everyone, meaning more people are given opportunities to show their potential as opposed to 100 years ago when a much smaller population size had the accessibility to compete. Records are there as a benchmark and something for competitors to aim for and also an indicator of progress. As for your last point, people are already aware of the fact that you can’t compare athletes of today to athletes of tomorrow or yesterday. It’s apples to oranges, but metrics are still necessary to give people a general idea of where athletes stand. Nobody worth their time is still arguing who’s better between Lebron and Jordan, they appreciate both for what they are and were and understand that they dominated in different eras. For multidimensional sports like basketball where there are many metrics and records, they are there for you to use when making an informed decision or judgement, not the end all or be all of who’s “better” or “worse”. So I thoroughly disagree with this video and think everyone watching this should think critically for themselves before believing everything someone tells you.
Thank you for taking some time to answer, honestly appreciate this. First up, I want to answer to the most important point (in my opinion): "So I thoroughly disagree with this video and think everyone watching this should think critically for themselves before believing everything someone tells you." → Yes, everyone who watches the video should think for themselves and make judgments based on their own informations. Nobody has to agree with this video, I just want to add to the viewers knowledge and give another perspective. If viewers already know the points mentioned, that's totally fine. Second, I want to answer to the rest of the comment: → If I understand the first part of your comment correctly, you agree that sports changed dramatically and that comparisons made, are pointless. However you argue that records and metrics are still necessary to give people a general idea of where athletes stand, and to be fair, yes I agree with that and I didn't deny it at any point of the video. Indeed I could have explicitly mentioned this part in the video. Overall I like how you approached this video and I like how you engaged with it. We do not have to agree on anything when it comes to sports but I would love to receive more of feedback in the future. CS
@ I could’ve worded the first point you mentioned differently, it definitely came off as more confrontational and personal than it should‘ve been. However, the message that we both agree on still stands. Secondly, when I said comparisons are pointless, I meant in sports such as in basketball (versus something more one dimensional such as track and field events) where there isn’t a single record or metric that could objectively place one player above the other (for example, championships won, MVPs, scoring, blocks, rebounds, etc). However, those records in themselves are not worthless.
@ To make my second point more clear, if we take the case of track and field; if the 100m world record holder 50 years ago could have been born in today’s generation and had all the modern advantages as Usain Bolt had now, would he still be the world record holder? Possibly, but I highly doubt it due to many reasons and unfortunately we don’t live in a world of hypotheticals, so I can still confidently say that Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever and his world records are a testament to that. However, for sports such as football or basketball, is there any single record or metric that could tell us who the better player was? I don’t believe so. But do these records and metrics tell us a lot about the players? They definitely do.
This is a pretty bad take IMO. The only real valid argument is the 3rd one in this video. The first two are correct but it does nothing to validate or invalidate previous records. As society advances there will be more information and technologies that will aid our athletes today and in the future. This is literally just a hallmark of an advancing society, which we are and should be unless you expect us to be stagnant in one place forever? This not only goes for sports but also follows in other fields and professions. As time progresses, records will be broken as more and more data points are graphed and more and more outliers are recorded. Not only are we learning more and getting better at our competencies, sports and the barrier for entry are becoming more accessible for everyone, meaning more people are given opportunities to show their potential as opposed to 100 years ago when a much smaller population size had the accessibility to compete. Records are there as a benchmark and something for competitors to aim for and also an indicator of progress. As for your last point, people are already aware of the fact that you can’t compare athletes of today to athletes of tomorrow or yesterday. It’s apples to oranges, but metrics are still necessary to give people a general idea of where athletes stand. Nobody worth their time is still arguing who’s better between Lebron and Jordan, they appreciate both for what they are and were and understand that they dominated in different eras. For multidimensional sports like basketball where there are many metrics and records, they are there for you to use when making an informed decision or judgement, not the end all or be all of who’s “better” or “worse”. So I thoroughly disagree with this video and think everyone watching this should think critically for themselves before believing everything someone tells you.
Thank you for taking some time to answer, honestly appreciate this.
First up, I want to answer to the most important point (in my opinion):
"So I thoroughly disagree with this video and think everyone watching this should think critically for themselves before believing everything someone tells you."
→ Yes, everyone who watches the video should think for themselves and make judgments based on their own informations. Nobody has to agree with this video, I just want to add to the viewers knowledge and give another perspective. If viewers already know the points mentioned, that's totally fine.
Second, I want to answer to the rest of the comment:
→ If I understand the first part of your comment correctly, you agree that sports changed dramatically and that comparisons made, are pointless. However you argue that records and metrics are still necessary to give people a general idea of where athletes stand, and to be fair, yes I agree with that and I didn't deny it at any point of the video. Indeed I could have explicitly mentioned this part in the video.
Overall I like how you approached this video and I like how you engaged with it. We do not have to agree on anything when it comes to sports but I would love to receive more of feedback in the future.
CS
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I could’ve worded the first point you mentioned differently, it definitely came off as more confrontational and personal than it should‘ve been. However, the message that we both agree on still stands.
Secondly, when I said comparisons are pointless, I meant in sports such as in basketball (versus something more one dimensional such as track and field events) where there isn’t a single record or metric that could objectively place one player above the other (for example, championships won, MVPs, scoring, blocks, rebounds, etc). However, those records in themselves are not worthless.
@ To make my second point more clear, if we take the case of track and field; if the 100m world record holder 50 years ago could have been born in today’s generation and had all the modern advantages as Usain Bolt had now, would he still be the world record holder? Possibly, but I highly doubt it due to many reasons and unfortunately we don’t live in a world of hypotheticals, so I can still confidently say that Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever and his world records are a testament to that.
However, for sports such as football or basketball, is there any single record or metric that could tell us who the better player was? I don’t believe so. But do these records and metrics tell us a lot about the players? They definitely do.
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