Lamentations and Logistics | Helsreach Breakdown Part 3

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  • @YaBoyYeti
    @YaBoyYeti 11 місяців тому +45

    Nine days of office duty can even bring an Astartes to his limits. I can oddly relate.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +8

      I’m the kind of nerd who would enjoy both.

  • @baliusd
    @baliusd 11 місяців тому +12

    "Your objections is noted.... and Duly ignored...." Best line of episode and probably the show. I think he was going anyway and was just being polite in meeting with him....

  • @TheColosiss
    @TheColosiss 11 місяців тому +27

    2:47
    Grimaldus showing respect is one of the best moments.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +5

      Probably one of the best moments of that officers life

  • @kinosaga21
    @kinosaga21 11 місяців тому +17

    one never sits down and think about what a commander has to think about in a siege, this part is refreshing to be because it shows just how many things a good commander needs to think about before and during a siege, food, perishable food, death tolls and disease can be more detrimental to a defense of a siege than the attackers can.
    edit: i hate to say it, but Logistics wins wars: fuck you rowboat girly man.
    this fan animation convinced me that Astartes where not just weapons of war, but living, breathing Humans, sure augmented and trained for centuries, but deep down every marine started as a Human, with emotions, thoughts and flaws.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +5

      They’re at their best when they’re suppressing their humanity willfully and failing.

  • @teetbeezoon
    @teetbeezoon 11 місяців тому +10

    Logistics is often underestimated due to its tedious nature. Your explanation puts such an important emphasis on its pertinence and importance.

  • @BigguzCaptainBogz
    @BigguzCaptainBogz 11 місяців тому +17

    Gigachad Grimaldus

  • @deeznutz3712
    @deeznutz3712 11 місяців тому +7

    During logistics, planning, rationing, counting of arms & manufacturing, etc:
    Grimaldus / any Black Templar: Oh, my Emperor! Please end this suffering.
    Any Ultramarines: oooooohhhh, this is exciting! WAIT!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN, IT'S OVER? IT'S ONLY 9 DAYS!

    • @HTWW
      @HTWW 9 місяців тому +1

      As the Codex dictated!

  • @elijahroth3451
    @elijahroth3451 11 місяців тому +14

    What an amazing feeling it must be to stand before an astartes. Much less be shown respect by one as Grimaldus did to Bariseth.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +1

      I hope one day we can gene edit Astartes level humans and get decent power armor.

  • @flavione84
    @flavione84 11 місяців тому +5

    Cant wait for Grimaldus meeting with Zahra. Also for his famous wall speach.

  • @Knight_Trooper
    @Knight_Trooper 11 місяців тому +4

    It's kinda cool that the citizens of Helsreach were casually walking like it was a normal Tuesday in Armageddon

  • @schmitzjamesandrew
    @schmitzjamesandrew 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm glad you pointed out the logistics scene. That one drew me in as well.

  • @Korraganitar
    @Korraganitar 8 місяців тому +2

    Ah, Logistics. The Black Templar must be the only sons of Dorn who dislike them lol.

    • @creolekolbytv1252
      @creolekolbytv1252 7 місяців тому

      Makes sense. The black sheep of the family (literally). Where the Fists are pragmatic and heavy on ranged weaponry, not religious -the polar opposite can be said about Sigismunds sons

  • @emandummie
    @emandummie 10 місяців тому

    I find it cool seeing the astartes trying to be polite and calm but angry at the same time the emotions are everywhere

  • @theonlyauspician
    @theonlyauspician 11 місяців тому +2

    This, Angels of Death, Hammer and Bolter... and the upcoming Space Marine 2 promising CAMPAIGN CO-OP... it's a good time to be a 40K fan.

  • @cjwars2828
    @cjwars2828 11 місяців тому +1

    my favorite bit even spm of the black HAte office work think this why he was so mad has to stay back fillings insurance claims for the god emporium

  • @TenebrousFilms
    @TenebrousFilms 11 місяців тому +2

    Warriors of Ultramar also highlights the foolish priveledge of merchants and nobles in the face of tyranid invasion. I don't know if there's an audiobook of it as well read as Helsreach, but I always thought it would make a good sequel to this animated version... I don't suppose GW will support a proper voice acted one?

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately they’re very much in their own designs.

  • @ClydeC
    @ClydeC 11 місяців тому +1

    *_And I endured it for 9 days... NINE DAYS._*

  • @talscorner3696
    @talscorner3696 11 місяців тому +1

    Helsreach, alongside Master of Mandkind, is my favourite Black Library novel ever.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +1

      07

    • @HTWW
      @HTWW 9 місяців тому +1

      Both read by the Imperial Saint Jonathan Keeble in their respective audiobook versions, too.
      'Hero of Helsreach!' the crowd cheers. As if there was only one.
      And, of course...
      'And in the sunless realm, sun rose at last.'
      ADB does what he does.

  • @user-hf8qi5kl7s
    @user-hf8qi5kl7s 2 місяці тому

    Man I dunno no nuthin about Warhammer but your stuff is a rad intro.

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 11 місяців тому +2

    I mean ..stating that logistics is more important than strategy with that quote indicating it as more competent is equivalent to people making out that logistics is not a vital part of the forces ...without the proper man power or strategy ..you could have all the weapons supplies and ammo at your disposal and still be beaten by a less experienced foe or a smaller one ... Gorilla warfare being an example ...
    Logisticians are vital ...they are needed to run the military ...without them everyone else couldnt do their jobs ...but their day to day role beyond bing a Sailor,Soldier or Airmen is admin and stores ..it's not a technical job like an engineer ...which is why you are/were paid less ...because you need lesser qualifications, standards and overall acuity to pass tests to achieve your position and carry out your day to day tasks ...
    That being said ...there is no reason why the most clever person in the military couldnt be in logistics as it could just be a role they chose ...
    You have to accept that those who have got to a position of command ..to perform their strategies ....have had to pass tests to get that responsibility .... At least in this day and age ...
    Let's not forget that ...

  • @Mrgoogle8
    @Mrgoogle8 11 місяців тому +2

    Your doing great 👍🏼 I enjoyed the break down. ❤ and title of each video.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому

      07 king. It’s not as popular as the others but I think there’s depth.

  • @science4life486
    @science4life486 11 місяців тому

    Oh buddy you are in for a treat... it gets way better.

  • @marcinzysko1653
    @marcinzysko1653 11 місяців тому +1

    It is practically impossible to make anything serious out of warhammer universe.
    It may seem easy, but if you think about it many things would look different if they were designed with seriousnes in mind (tank designs, armor designs, tactics...). Most of them were created with rule of cool in mind only. And then there are "logistics" - or what appears as them. Universe is designed to be over-the-top grimdark (imagine to suddenly hear about "worker union complains" in 40k). Other things were simply ignored, like the fact that there is no realm of emperor/order in the warp (despite imperium being second or third largest force in galaxy). I would imagine that there should be a relatively small network of safe and stable routes in the warp, existing through share combined will of faithfull in entire human population. But apparently no.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому

      I think that power is channeled through the emperor himself which is enough to keep him alive and the astronomicon lit. Add in Imperial Saints and Legion of the Damned and it’s a lot of psychic work.

  • @roberthowe3377
    @roberthowe3377 11 місяців тому

    The Black Templars seriously kick ass, but the most kick ass of them all has to be Grimaldus. Greetings from Kilkenny, R.O.I 🇮🇪

  • @brandonmyers1400
    @brandonmyers1400 11 місяців тому

    Black Templars fight with... Iron Within full respect

  • @mrmeeseeks1733
    @mrmeeseeks1733 11 місяців тому +1

    Helsreach was some of the first info i gotten about 40K, and i thought it sucked.
    After many hours trying to understand the Warhammer concept i have come to
    think of this as a masterpiece.

  • @jeffreywitty3088
    @jeffreywitty3088 11 місяців тому +1

    Astartes yells at you, a mere man, while making fast arm movements... you dont piss yourself = your gritty, even for W40K

  • @Hiihtopipa
    @Hiihtopipa 11 місяців тому

    Only thing i find weird is that grimaldus had no idea what alarm means lol

  • @hisevilness_com
    @hisevilness_com 11 місяців тому +4

    Its a great piece of story telling, one of the best one out there.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому

      I’m sorry to have doubted but it is indeed excellent.

  • @artilyon
    @artilyon 11 місяців тому +2

    Grimaldus has a way for things 🍷

  • @GamesforCykits
    @GamesforCykits 7 місяців тому

    Yea love these breakdowns more and more

  • @popularopinion1
    @popularopinion1 11 місяців тому +1

    Conor, I don't know why you didn't like the hand drawn art style. I feel like it fits the mood perfectly

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +1

      I was looking for an Astartes clone

    • @popularopinion1
      @popularopinion1 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Counterpoints understandable, and perhaps we'll see that one day

  • @holstblock.web3
    @holstblock.web3 9 місяців тому

    i rly love watching your reactions.

  • @tomacc9859
    @tomacc9859 11 місяців тому

    It's about to get good. Nexts episode.

  • @vitorferreira6062
    @vitorferreira6062 11 місяців тому +1

    Masterwork...

  • @AnimeZone950
    @AnimeZone950 11 місяців тому +2

    Tell me can you tell me which movie is closely related to warhammer 40k

  • @m.ferreira470
    @m.ferreira470 11 місяців тому +2

    COMMENTS, Brother!

  • @brandonmyers1400
    @brandonmyers1400 11 місяців тому

    lol I'm going to get a pet Raven they are really smart birds

  • @ryanlorenzo5003
    @ryanlorenzo5003 11 місяців тому +3

    The fact that the wing commander had the least impact overall but the most influence in a single scene due to his and his unit's pedigree.
    Definitely a softening blow and a political suck up move to Grimaldus who has made his dissent vocal and clearly dislikes working with mortals in a Hive instead of being with the rest of his Chapter.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  11 місяців тому +2

      Camaraderie is important for cohesion and just that act alone can bridge the gap.

  • @daviddenial3139
    @daviddenial3139 7 місяців тому

    Semper Fi

  • @Benzo18769
    @Benzo18769 6 місяців тому

    Advanced robotics would fix alot of the logestical problems that come with human soldiers

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  6 місяців тому +1

      Mechanicus

    • @yeraisalgado6146
      @yeraisalgado6146 6 місяців тому

      Problem is, AI is absolutely forbidden and the closest thing to robots are servitors and Mechanicus robots (doesn't have real ai)

  • @TheBestgoku
    @TheBestgoku 11 місяців тому +1

    LETZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ GGGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @simeonli2205
    @simeonli2205 11 місяців тому +1

    epic

  • @ManDuderGuy
    @ManDuderGuy 11 місяців тому

    Commentarium

  • @michaelenqvist3120
    @michaelenqvist3120 11 місяців тому +1

    Here, A comment to appease [Redacted] Our lord and master.

  • @ryanboutilier6825
    @ryanboutilier6825 11 місяців тому +2

    Comment

  • @7-jam18
    @7-jam18 5 місяців тому

    Comment.

  • @AncientRylanor69
    @AncientRylanor69 10 місяців тому

    d

  • @mitchelljohnson559
    @mitchelljohnson559 11 місяців тому +1

    It's always a chore to be prepared before the emperor sends us to glory, I am always like logistics I've heard enough of stuff.