Yeah. Bill Laimbeer off the court is nothing like he is on the court. Wouldn't mind if Laimbeer worked for ESPN as a color commentator. Enjoy listening to his basketball insights.
Laimbeer should be in the hall of fame, for his total body of work in basketball, as a player and a coach. Held down the center on a great Pistons team, was one of the first outside shooting centers, and then coached WNBA teams to several championships. He gets no respect.
I went to high school with Bill. He was always driven to win. And he played within what was allowed including using your six fouls, to win games. Our high school team won the CIF Championship in Southern CA over a very talented Verbum Dei team from South Central Los Angeles. That team had not lost in years, and we knocked them off in the Semi Final game. Bill put in the work, and was the best he could be with his limited athleticism (limited speed, or jumping ability). He had size and length, and used that to his advantage. His longevity considering how physical the game was, at the time was amazing.
@@johnnythekid4601 Yea, Digger Phelps was at our games a few times. We played Verbum Dei with David Greenwood (latter was the number 2 overall pick in the draft behind Magic Johnson) in the semi finals and then played Marina High, from Huntington Beach, in the Finals, and they had a guy named Rich Branning at guard that was a great outside shooter. Laimbeer and Branning both ended up playing together at Notre Dame.
Sam is the GOAT for interviewing Bill Laimbeer and having such knowledge of his current situation. Thank you Sam for having a higher bar than most ESPN analysts.
Great interview Sam! Got to love the aggressive play of the bad boys! Two really talented players in Isiah and Joe and the rest did all the dirty work!
As a Houston Rockets fan, I hated Bill Laimbeer back in the day. Today I can honestly say I appreciate his way of playing and I consider Bill a NBA legend.
Yep. The Pistons learned how to play physical from the Celtics. And so when those two physical teams played against each other things got ugly. There were tons of NBA players at that time that were physical (what would be called dirty today) at that time. Oakley, Barkley, Dawkins, Moses Malone, Maurice Lucas, Carl Malone, Tree Rollins, Bird, and Mahorn were all doing it. The Pistons, just didn't let anyone out physical them, and they got labeled dirty, for doing what everyone else was doing.
Honestly, I never respected Laimbeer as a player. I thought he was dirty and bad for the game. But that is just my opinion. That isn't a knock on him as a person. Those are two different things. it is interesting listening to him talk about how his team played the game and how the league evolved. Good stuff.
The Bad Boy Pistons were stacked (Role Players my ass) Laimbeer was one of the best Centers of the 80's, Dantley, Dumars & Aguirre were all underrated stars, Rodman is one of the best Defensive players of all time, The Microwave Vinnie Johnson coming off the Bench. The only role player in their Starting 5 was Mahorn.
Great interview by Sam, never heard of him.........Lebron is not better than Mike (Bill's still bitter), and he didn't get to the Finals till his 4th season, when his team got swept. And then he lost again the next time he made it to the Finals, with a stacked Miami Heat team.
pistons can beat anybody , and your point is ? lol , dont show how mad you are , just disappear, its obvious 30 years later hes still salty about jordan . i love it , old man crying 30 years later, very sad story for him @@teresamcgee-vd2uc
How long will they keep him out of the Hall? He could have been a scorer, Isiah could have set his table much more in retrospect, but Bill didn't want the ball. He wanted to win.
Why is it when Piston beat Celtics they “persevered” but when Bulls beat Pistons “we got old” even thought they won back to back. Laimbeer is an asshole til the end and I love it. 😂
Laimbeer won't say anything but there are a lot of politics involved in that sport and he knows Chicago wasn't good enough to beat them... just look at how Detroit dominated Chicago from 1988-90 and look at game 7 in '90 how they mentally destroyed the Bulls... then the Pistons were injured all throughout the 1990-91 season and still won 50 making it to the ECF... if Detroit was so 'old' they would not be able to be down 2-1 without Thomas (due to injury) in game 4 and then having Thomas come off the bench in the rest of that series vs. Boston in '91...why play so hard vs. Boston and then you forget how to defeat a team you dominated 3 straight years? The new editions for Chicago were Dennis Hopkins and Cliff Levingston, that was the difference from 1990 to 1991 and those guys barely contributed... no, Detroit peacefully protested by allowing Chicago to sweep them and then walked off the court for the future of the league... Laimbeer talked about that in this interview with every generation and how the league wanted to get rid of Detroit's style-of-play...so that's what happened; Chicago was never better but Detroit laid down for the business, it was just done in a protesting manner with the sweep and walk-off as if to show the public, 'We let these guys win and we had no choice.'
@@plainsimple244 I have a newspaper clipping saying Isiah would have career-ending surgery on his wrist. Then, it was "Isiah is out for the season", but Isiah came back (Pistons were #1 before the injury) and remember Stern made us lose Mahorn knowing Detroit was 10-deep. I wish they would have left Buddha unprotected, but there was some "tricks", with Minny's GM saying he didn't want Mahorn, and Jack McCloskey was worried about Rick's back, even though he played 19 yrs.
@@LoyalOpposition Right, Career-ENDING surgery on his wrist; he even stated this during the youtube panel discussion on the 1989-90 championship team with Edwards, training Mike Abdeneur, Mark Aguirre, and George Blaha... Edwards didn't know his career was over and Thomas dropped that bomb when they were talking about 1990-91 and the trainer Mike A. knew but none of the guys knew Thomas career was over. Looking Back: I always look back on that 1990-91 season and that's the one I wanted the most because they were head-and-shoulders above everyone and when I saw the 49ers lose to the Giants and UNLV lose to Duke, I was like, 'Oh-kay?...'.... That entire series in 1990-91 was Detroit handing that to Chicago -- there's no way anyone can convince me you destroy a team 3 straight years in the regular season and playoffs and then you forget how to win one game. See, to me, the SWEEP told the story that the Pistons let the Bulls win because Detroit/Chicago didn't have the type of rivalry that Boston/Philly had from 1980-85 where Philly won (1980) then Boston (1981) then Philly (1982) and then Boston (1985).... NO, Detroit dominated Chicago with the following record: 1988 regular season: 4-2, Detroit; playoffs 4-1 Detroit. 1989 regular season: 6-0 Detroit; playoffs 4-2 Detroit. 1990 regular season: 4-1 Detroit; playoffs 4-3 Detroit. That's a record of 26-9 from 1988-1990 during the regular season and playoffs with 3 straight playoff series wins and the way the Pistons mentally toyed with Chicago in the 1990 ECF and then broke them 93-74 in game 7... that's what made the 'sweep' so shocking because the Pistons NEVER ran their offense in 1990-91 ECF, they played that series like a pick-up game. 9 Shots: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF. Now you let Michael Jordan just take 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2, do you really think he'd be trying to win? HELL NO! So when it comes to Thomas, nobody looks at that at all? What about in '93 if Chicago were playing the Knicks and Jordan just took 9 shots in each of the first two games, people would know something was up and he wasn't trying to win. The Sweep/Walk-Off: Go back and look at how Detroit played Chicago in 1990 and even how the 1991 Pistons played vs. Boston -- they ran their offense through, they went inside, they attacked the rim consistently, they rebounded and Chuck Daly made the adjustments in the rotation well. In the 1991 ECF, Thomas never ran the offense, Daly went small too long with 3 guards for longer periods of time and then put a non-scorer in there not adjusting even though Aguirre and Vinnie Johnson played great -- Daly gave Chicago the rebounding advantage....So the Pistons ON PURPOSE (in my humble opinion) let the Bulls win and there's a reason for it; politics and for the sake of the players as a whole to get paid. Now the 'walk-off' told me this was done on purpose, the 3 guys that led the infamous 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas. So wait, Jordan cannot beat Detroit 3 straight seasons but now it's a sweep?... So it's that easy?... Why was it so hard before?... HAHAHA! See people don't see this because they are Jordan fans or blaming Jordan's teammates but that's a lie; Zeke let Jordan win because Isiah Thomas was the President of the Player's Association and he had the players with a 53% revenue share vs. owners and the NBA signed that new NBC deal; Daly was named Olympic team coach prior to the 1990-91 season even though Riley had more rings (possible payoff) and companies like Nike, Gatorade, McDonald's, and Hanes are highly invested in Jordan and other companies like Chevrolet, Prudential, and other corporations are investing in the NBA as a whole because it's at the peak; Magic and Bird are getting old but can still win; Jordan is in his prime but he's losing every year to the President of the Player's Association. Remember, Thomas is responsible for agents getting less money so they hated him a lot... so Thomas is beating Jordan and winning off the court. So now he gets a 'wrist injury'...Okay? Going for a 3-peat getting that injury -- what luck huh? This is why I never really believe sports injuries, it's just too convenient. You ever notice William Bedford or Scott Hastings didn't get hurt? HAHAHA! Now they said Thomas suffered that injury in April of 1990 but played through it and the pain got too bad by the beginning of 1991.... Remember that's when Thomas punched Rick Mahorn and got kicked out of that game vs. Philly when that big Malice @ The Palace broke out in April of 1990 with that Mahorn/Laimbeer/Barkley fight. HAHAHA! Step Aside/Break Up: So Thomas (in my opinion) stepped aside and let Jordan win because Jordan was the #1 moneymaker for these companies who invested in the league and that would open up greater global markets via the Olympics to see Jordan win. See what tells me this was NOT REAL is that the Pistons broke up that title-contending team in the summer of 1991 by not re-signing Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards... the Pistons keep that team together they wind up winning again in 1991-92 and went from an injured 50 winning season making it to the ECF going for a 3-peat/4 straight trips to not having Edwards/Johnson totally healthy and getting beaten in the first round vs. the Knicks: that's the impact of Buddha and 'The Microwave'. Burn Out: Now Michael Jordan told us the 'burn out' is real because he had to retire twice after going to 3 straight trips to the Finals -- Thomas was going for his 4th trip in 1990-91; Magic from 1982-85 and 1987-1989 and Bird from 1984-1987 went to 3 straight Finals and kept playing so what was up with Jordan? He had to go because Thomas stepped aside in 1991 to let him win; Magic let Zeke win and now in '93 it's Jordan's time to let either Ewing or Barkley win but Mike couldn't let go. HAHAHA!... So he had to retire; remember he had a wrist issue where he wore the black wrist band but it wasn't as serious as Thomas' wrist injury...so that's really not real in my opinion, it's staged to push some propaganda and I still don't believe in what happened in 1990-91; I think it was a joke and the proof is the sweep, walk-off, and Pistons GM, Jack McCloskey getting rid of Edwards/Johnson to make sure Chicago won.
They were beating the bulls because they had a better team at the time the same goes for the celtics) yes they beat the bulls they were supposed to beat them) but. Jordan still got his when the whole team was trying to hurt him and thats not basketball*
Bill Laimbeer was the player you could deeply hate, but at the same time you couldn’t avoid to admire. He was effective AF
Exactly, 2 championships back to back. Say no more
Yeah. Bill Laimbeer off the court is nothing like he is on the court. Wouldn't mind if Laimbeer worked for ESPN as a color commentator. Enjoy listening to his basketball insights.
I don't care what anybody says about Bill Laimbeer. I absolutely loved Him 😂
Give this guy a show. You're killing it, Sam
Hey, Dumb nuts he already had a show, 'PEOPLE TALKING SPORTS*'
Laimbeer should be in the hall of fame, for his total body of work in basketball, as a player and a coach. Held down the center on a great Pistons team, was one of the first outside shooting centers, and then coached WNBA teams to several championships. He gets no respect.
I went to high school with Bill. He was always driven to win. And he played within what was allowed including using your six fouls, to win games. Our high school team won the CIF Championship in Southern CA over a very talented Verbum Dei team from South Central Los Angeles. That team had not lost in years, and we knocked them off in the Semi Final game. Bill put in the work, and was the best he could be with his limited athleticism (limited speed, or jumping ability). He had size and length, and used that to his advantage. His longevity considering how physical the game was, at the time was amazing.
Awesome story. Did you see digger phelps at any of the games?
@@johnnythekid4601 Yea, Digger Phelps was at our games a few times. We played Verbum Dei with David Greenwood (latter was the number 2 overall pick in the draft behind Magic Johnson) in the semi finals and then played Marina High, from Huntington Beach, in the Finals, and they had a guy named Rich Branning at guard that was a great outside shooter. Laimbeer and Branning both ended up playing together at Notre Dame.
Seems like a good dude, very humble. I personally support you putting an ad at the end, this is great content and you should get paid.
Bill is a beast!!
Sam is the GOAT for interviewing Bill Laimbeer and having such knowledge of his current situation. Thank you Sam for having a higher bar than most ESPN analysts.
Nice interview. Laimbeer is a player I have always respected. He is humble, just pretty competitive.
Great conversation, amazing guy
Yes, Laimbeer was dirty but he took it when it came his way too. And for that, i respect him.
Big Bad Bill Laimbeer! Us Detroiter's love everything you brought to our team during your career.
Great memories of the Glory Days...Bad Boys 4 Life!
Laimbeer my favourite player. What a legend for us
Thank you for interviewing the greatest player of all time.
Greatest player of all time.....How much crack have ya smoked..... Larry Joe Bird is the NBA GOAT.
@@bronsongetseven7326 you're on crack too. Kerry Kittles the GOAT
You mean the dirtiest player of all time.
Great interview Sam! Got to love the aggressive play of the bad boys! Two really talented players in Isiah and Joe and the rest did all the dirty work!
As a Houston Rockets fan, I hated Bill Laimbeer back in the day. Today I can honestly say I appreciate his way of playing and I consider Bill a NBA legend.
One of my favorite players
He was such a dirty player yet I fucking loved the aggressiveness 😂
He was just doing what Oakley, Maurice Lucas, Barkley, and others were doing at the time. He just was honest about it, and didn't try to hide it.
The fucking 🐐
He was the top thug on the pistons but also a pretty decent basketball player.
He was our villain back in the 80’s championship against Lakers. I still remember those summers. It was great
Bill seems like such a cool, smart, humble guy. 180 degrees away from his on-court persona.
You should call your next special "The Morril of the Story"
Oh wow, I just reviewed the Bird takedown. It was an accident, Rodman was falling and knocked Laimbeer into Bird.
Yep. The Pistons learned how to play physical from the Celtics. And so when those two physical teams played against each other things got ugly. There were tons of NBA players at that time that were physical (what would be called dirty today) at that time. Oakley, Barkley, Dawkins, Moses Malone, Maurice Lucas, Carl Malone, Tree Rollins, Bird, and Mahorn were all doing it. The Pistons, just didn't let anyone out physical them, and they got labeled dirty, for doing what everyone else was doing.
@@arizjones The difference was the Pistons made it there Calling card.
Great coach
He is absolutely chill man, he was getting over hated.
Laimbeer for President!
You hated to play him but boy you wanted him on your team
I thought there were two episodes (?)
Honestly, I never respected Laimbeer as a player. I thought he was dirty and bad for the game. But that is just my opinion. That isn't a knock on him as a person. Those are two different things. it is interesting listening to him talk about how his team played the game and how the league evolved. Good stuff.
Fuckin awesome!
I never liked Laimbeer, but it took guts to play as reckless as he did.
Laimbeer was a baaaaad man!
Hated him back then but love the guy now
The Bad Boy Pistons were stacked (Role Players my ass) Laimbeer was one of the best Centers of the 80's, Dantley, Dumars & Aguirre were all underrated stars, Rodman is one of the best Defensive players of all time, The Microwave Vinnie Johnson coming off the Bench. The only role player in their Starting 5 was Mahorn.
Bill Laimbeer 🍺 was the Elvis Presley of Basketball 🏀
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Best reasoning for LeBron over Jordan I've honestly ever heard
Great interview by Sam, never heard of him.........Lebron is not better than Mike (Bill's still bitter), and he didn't get to the Finals till his 4th season, when his team got swept. And then he lost again the next time he made it to the Finals, with a stacked Miami Heat team.
The Jordan effect . Has this old guy still crying . I love it
Crying about what?😂 The pistons actually beat the Healthy Celtics & LAKERS 😂😂
pistons can beat anybody , and your point is ? lol , dont show how mad you are , just disappear, its obvious 30 years later hes still salty about jordan . i love it , old man crying 30 years later, very sad story for him @@teresamcgee-vd2uc
How long will they keep him out of the Hall? He could have been a scorer, Isiah could have set his table much more in retrospect, but Bill didn't want the ball. He wanted to win.
4 time all star, role player.
Yet put Jordan on his azz😂had him crying to David Stern 😭😭😂😂😂😂
Why is it when Piston beat Celtics they “persevered” but when Bulls beat Pistons “we got old” even thought they won back to back. Laimbeer is an asshole til the end and I love it. 😂
Laimbeer won't say anything but there are a lot of politics involved in that sport and he knows Chicago wasn't good enough to beat them... just look at how Detroit dominated Chicago from 1988-90 and look at game 7 in '90 how they mentally destroyed the Bulls... then the Pistons were injured all throughout the 1990-91 season and still won 50 making it to the ECF... if Detroit was so 'old' they would not be able to be down 2-1 without Thomas (due to injury) in game 4 and then having Thomas come off the bench in the rest of that series vs. Boston in '91...why play so hard vs. Boston and then you forget how to defeat a team you dominated 3 straight years? The new editions for Chicago were Dennis Hopkins and Cliff Levingston, that was the difference from 1990 to 1991 and those guys barely contributed... no, Detroit peacefully protested by allowing Chicago to sweep them and then walked off the court for the future of the league... Laimbeer talked about that in this interview with every generation and how the league wanted to get rid of Detroit's style-of-play...so that's what happened; Chicago was never better but Detroit laid down for the business, it was just done in a protesting manner with the sweep and walk-off as if to show the public, 'We let these guys win and we had no choice.'
@@plainsimple244 Oh, the Conspiracy Theorist. Explain to all of the White people out there how O.J.Simpson was framed by the LAPD.
6:00 seems like he did give them credit and also admitted Boston got old and banged up
@@plainsimple244 I have a newspaper clipping saying Isiah would have career-ending surgery on his wrist. Then, it was "Isiah is out for the season", but Isiah came back (Pistons were #1 before the injury) and remember Stern made us lose Mahorn knowing Detroit was 10-deep. I wish they would have left Buddha unprotected, but there was some "tricks", with Minny's GM saying he didn't want Mahorn, and Jack McCloskey was worried about Rick's back, even though he played 19 yrs.
@@LoyalOpposition Right, Career-ENDING surgery on his wrist; he even stated this during the youtube panel discussion on the 1989-90 championship team with Edwards, training Mike Abdeneur, Mark Aguirre, and George Blaha... Edwards didn't know his career was over and Thomas dropped that bomb when they were talking about 1990-91 and the trainer Mike A. knew but none of the guys knew Thomas career was over.
Looking Back: I always look back on that 1990-91 season and that's the one I wanted the most because they were head-and-shoulders above everyone and when I saw the 49ers lose to the Giants and UNLV lose to Duke, I was like, 'Oh-kay?...'.... That entire series in 1990-91 was Detroit handing that to Chicago -- there's no way anyone can convince me you destroy a team 3 straight years in the regular season and playoffs and then you forget how to win one game. See, to me, the SWEEP told the story that the Pistons let the Bulls win because Detroit/Chicago didn't have the type of rivalry that Boston/Philly had from 1980-85 where Philly won (1980) then Boston (1981) then Philly (1982) and then Boston (1985).... NO, Detroit dominated Chicago with the following record:
1988 regular season: 4-2, Detroit; playoffs 4-1 Detroit.
1989 regular season: 6-0 Detroit; playoffs 4-2 Detroit.
1990 regular season: 4-1 Detroit; playoffs 4-3 Detroit.
That's a record of 26-9 from 1988-1990 during the regular season and playoffs with 3 straight playoff series wins and the way the Pistons mentally toyed with Chicago in the 1990 ECF and then broke them 93-74 in game 7... that's what made the 'sweep' so shocking because the Pistons NEVER ran their offense in 1990-91 ECF, they played that series like a pick-up game.
9 Shots: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF. Now you let Michael Jordan just take 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2, do you really think he'd be trying to win? HELL NO! So when it comes to Thomas, nobody looks at that at all? What about in '93 if Chicago were playing the Knicks and Jordan just took 9 shots in each of the first two games, people would know something was up and he wasn't trying to win.
The Sweep/Walk-Off: Go back and look at how Detroit played Chicago in 1990 and even how the 1991 Pistons played vs. Boston -- they ran their offense through, they went inside, they attacked the rim consistently, they rebounded and Chuck Daly made the adjustments in the rotation well. In the 1991 ECF, Thomas never ran the offense, Daly went small too long with 3 guards for longer periods of time and then put a non-scorer in there not adjusting even though Aguirre and Vinnie Johnson played great -- Daly gave Chicago the rebounding advantage....So the Pistons ON PURPOSE (in my humble opinion) let the Bulls win and there's a reason for it; politics and for the sake of the players as a whole to get paid. Now the 'walk-off' told me this was done on purpose, the 3 guys that led the infamous 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas.
So wait, Jordan cannot beat Detroit 3 straight seasons but now it's a sweep?... So it's that easy?... Why was it so hard before?... HAHAHA! See people don't see this because they are Jordan fans or blaming Jordan's teammates but that's a lie; Zeke let Jordan win because Isiah Thomas was the President of the Player's Association and he had the players with a 53% revenue share vs. owners and the NBA signed that new NBC deal; Daly was named Olympic team coach prior to the 1990-91 season even though Riley had more rings (possible payoff) and companies like Nike, Gatorade, McDonald's, and Hanes are highly invested in Jordan and other companies like Chevrolet, Prudential, and other corporations are investing in the NBA as a whole because it's at the peak; Magic and Bird are getting old but can still win; Jordan is in his prime but he's losing every year to the President of the Player's Association. Remember, Thomas is responsible for agents getting less money so they hated him a lot... so Thomas is beating Jordan and winning off the court. So now he gets a 'wrist injury'...Okay? Going for a 3-peat getting that injury -- what luck huh? This is why I never really believe sports injuries, it's just too convenient. You ever notice William Bedford or Scott Hastings didn't get hurt? HAHAHA! Now they said Thomas suffered that injury in April of 1990 but played through it and the pain got too bad by the beginning of 1991.... Remember that's when Thomas punched Rick Mahorn and got kicked out of that game vs. Philly when that big Malice @ The Palace broke out in April of 1990 with that Mahorn/Laimbeer/Barkley fight. HAHAHA!
Step Aside/Break Up: So Thomas (in my opinion) stepped aside and let Jordan win because Jordan was the #1 moneymaker for these companies who invested in the league and that would open up greater global markets via the Olympics to see Jordan win. See what tells me this was NOT REAL is that the Pistons broke up that title-contending team in the summer of 1991 by not re-signing Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards... the Pistons keep that team together they wind up winning again in 1991-92 and went from an injured 50 winning season making it to the ECF going for a 3-peat/4 straight trips to not having Edwards/Johnson totally healthy and getting beaten in the first round vs. the Knicks: that's the impact of Buddha and 'The Microwave'.
Burn Out: Now Michael Jordan told us the 'burn out' is real because he had to retire twice after going to 3 straight trips to the Finals -- Thomas was going for his 4th trip in 1990-91; Magic from 1982-85 and 1987-1989 and Bird from 1984-1987 went to 3 straight Finals and kept playing so what was up with Jordan? He had to go because Thomas stepped aside in 1991 to let him win; Magic let Zeke win and now in '93 it's Jordan's time to let either Ewing or Barkley win but Mike couldn't let go. HAHAHA!... So he had to retire; remember he had a wrist issue where he wore the black wrist band but it wasn't as serious as Thomas' wrist injury...so that's really not real in my opinion, it's staged to push some propaganda and I still don't believe in what happened in 1990-91; I think it was a joke and the proof is the sweep, walk-off, and Pistons GM, Jack McCloskey getting rid of Edwards/Johnson to make sure Chicago won.
I like this. Almost as much as i like my bad comedy videos. 😑😑😑
And i like them a lot.
Bill wanted to win so bad he would sometimes slide his foot or body under someone, and if they sprained an ankle or broke something, so be it.
Lebron doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Lebron all time turnover leader.
Bill cant stop staring at sams man spreaded package....lol...
Today nba is garbage period!!!!!!!!!!$
They were beating the bulls because they had a better team at the time the same goes for the celtics) yes they beat the bulls they were supposed to beat them) but. Jordan still got his when the whole team was trying to hurt him and thats not basketball*
Nba dirtys player of the nba.im sorry to saying about that .