GodLogic And Sam Shamoun Debate Muslims LIVE!
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Defending islam is like chicken defending kfc
🙏😂😂😂😂
Unless you're a straight Arab man
That never gets old. :D
xDDD
Hi Sam and friend, I am glad I found your channel UA-cam, I just want to let you know we are adopted children from The Lord God through Jesus Christ.
The only begotten son is The Lord Jesus Christ.
I am very glad you are doing great preaching the about salvation in Jesus Christ
@@laurareeves9835 Amen
Avery, could you and Sam or just you whenever you get the time, do a stream discussing Islamic Jannah vs Christian heaven? And see what Muslims got to say about it?
Sure you will loose absolutely hands down my Christian friend
@@sherif.1977 No he wont. You did tho when we debated on the other channel.
@@lilblock3564 aha sure..whatever you say..
@@lilblock3564 describe heaven for me as a Christian won’t you ..
@@sherif.1977God forbid your mother, daughter, sister, etc won't be a hourri. A hourri aka whore, is nothing but a sex slave for eternity. Make it make sense, you really are going to orgasm in God's heaven?
Aren't Muslims ashamed when they discuss Christians who do not speak Arabic, and he says to them, "Have you read the Qur'an," and the Christian answers and says to him, "Yes," and the Muslim comes back and asks a second question, "Did you read the Qur'an in the Arabic language?" and this is my question for every Muslim. When you ask this question, it is your acknowledgment that the Qur’an translated into languages is a forged Qur’an and a Qur’an that contains forgery and misleading for those who are not fluent in the Arabic language. A Muslim admits when he asks this question that the Qur’an in the Arabic language is not the same as the Qur’an in the non-Arabic language. This is proof that Muslims changed the true meaning of the Qur’an
Why is it translated in English if is won't be accurate, infact in any language it is not accurate, the real truth is lslam is an Arabic Religion only for Arabs,Quran says, Allah never send a messenger to a people unless he speaks the language of the people so they can ùnderstand, so claim Muhammad is for all people is a big lie! 12:46
There are many different versions of the Quran which one are you talking about?
@@a.c.slater573That is joke of the day. What do you mean by versions? Do you mean Shias have 117 chapters in their Qur’an and Sunnis have 114 chapters in theirs like the Bible where Protestants have their own, Catholics have their own, orthodoxies have their own, Ethiopian Orthodoxies have their own versions? And then every denomination claims that they have the Holy Spirit.
I don’t know how you Christians are satisfied by watching these hate missionaries. Why do you Have to compare your religion only with Islam? Because you yourself know it is the truth and you are obsessed with it.
Alhamdullilah.
@@AhmadSulaimanFahim57 No he means all the different Arabic qurans of which there are many that have been found. You sound like you are not aware of this yet,
@@MassDefeq I am aware of it but you are ignorant of what those are. There is nothing called different Arabic Qur’ans. Let me educate you. Arabic has different dialects like Australian English, American English and British English. People of Quraish in his time said to prophet that why Qur’an is not revealed in the dialect of our people since you are one of us? Then Prophet Muhammad asked for other dialects. Then Qur’an was revealed in 7 Ahruf which then makes them 10 recitations or even more. However that doesn’t change their meanings. Verses are not removed or added in unlike Christian scriptures. We have Islamic evidences regarding this topic which confirms what I am saying. For example in the very first chapter of the Qur’an there is a word “Malik” and another one a bit longer “Maalik” which both of them are attributes of Allah and his names one means king and the other means owner. For example we have different words for “freezer” and “refrigerator” in English with same meaning.
I recommend you not to listen to these hate missionaries who spread hate between Muslims and Christians instead go and read about Islam or at least learn Islam from Islamic sources. Would you expect me to learn about Christianity from a Hindu site? Of course not! That would be called “deceiving myself”.
May Allah guide us all.
Damn I missed this one. God bless my brothers. I love y’all together.
Same here
No notifications here either but I'm catching up tonight ✨✨✨
Salvation is available in Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) and is dependent on God alone for provision and assurance.
Christ is King 🙏🏾
Go and ask them to debate with uthman bin farroq. They are in kitchen chatibg with muslime did have knowlage
Godlogic already debated uthman many times full video on his channel he cooks him everytime proved uthman dosent know the bible he just cherry picks verses. They called out sneako and uthman not to long ago sneako banned everyone telling them to debate Godlogic and sam but when somone who is not educated he is quick to call uthman. Plus Godlogic was at speaker corner not to long ago also full video on his channel he cooks all them too.@@BilalMuhammad-zi9yr
@@BilalMuhammad-zi9yrIbn Zinna Ibn ketchup boy believes all prophets are messiahs. Where does the quran say that? Scholar of Hadith can’t even tell a footnote apart of a Hadith😭😂😭😂. Christ is King now and forever✝️👑
@@BilalMuhammad-zi9yrthe same guy who faked his stsbbing? never proved his wounds, no police reports. Faked a stabbing to gain more dawah money followers. How can u trust him?
@@BilalMuhammad-zi9yr your milk shake uthman have no ball to debate any knowlagible Christian. .. Yeshua Yedid
Sometimes, Sam goes for the jugular to quickly.
Dear Muslim, what did Mohammad do with Aisha between the age of 6 to 9 when she was living with him ???
They think it is fine to "marry" a little child. They want to do the same😢
I don’t think u will get an answer my friend. They pretend he was teaching her the alphabet in Arabic 😭😭😭. I bet that wicked man was molesting her .
he borrowed her clothes because he got many of his "revelations" when wearing her clothes according to hadith, lol
@@splodgeapologetics he was promoting trannies😅😅🤣🤣🤣
Thighing
You guys are the best❤🙏🏼God bless you both
God bless our brothers Avery and Sam.
Two boys together. Finally!
2 BOSSES for Jesus Christ Almighty 🙏🏻
Thankyou brother Avery......waited so long for that FULL Godlogic outro......LOVE IT❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Blessings of our Lord Jesus christ bless and guide you guys
I appreciate all your work, I learned a lot and am equipped to do the work the Lord has comanded with more confidence.
Welldone Avery! Always a great energy with you and Sam. Please can the links to articles/websites or other resources that are shared during lives also be pinned in the description so that people who watch later can access them?
You are a brave an knowledgeable man, keep up the good work!
How do people in Greenland participate on Ramadan when the sun doesn't set for 6 months 😂
God forbid we actually have to fast when we're ordered to fast.
@@zenithofaldebaran8535 Obviously he is not equating fasting to paganism, your brain is special to have come to that conclusion, you would not happen to be a highly qualified sheikh would you?
Green land is a Christan country
@@tigrayplea5385
What do you mean, Christian countries are exempted from fasting even if they harbor muslim population? What happen to the muslims living in greeñland at ramadan?
@@yahayadaudu3992 Rasulallah was pdf file who mou nted on aisha, when she was still playing with dolls.
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
I appreciate you SAM & AVERY. May GOD continue to bless you BOTH. 🏆
Tq Sam and Godlogic for exposing this cult ....keep going with ur gud work.
Amen bro's love what you do Educate everyone !!!!! ❤
Thank you Godlogic for inviting Sam.
Beautiful way to do the word of Lord and help those who are lost or confused
This is nice to see. God bless you all
What Sam said at the beginning was just beautiful, you can see that he is a true seasoned man of God. Transparent and honest. And gives glory to God and not himself. God bless you sir! May he continue to protect you. Amen
May the Lord bless you both.
This debate was amazing
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Do not precede the Jews and the Christians with the Salam. And if one of you meets them in the path, then force them to its narrow portion." Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2700
“Make them walk on the smaller bit of the path” so passive aggressive 🤡
And Jews like Tovia Singer believe Islam is good to jews.
I agree to Aivry, Sam was so patient unbelievable. ❤❤❤
For everyone who was blessed enough to watch this stream: make note and study Sam’s articles.
The Batman and Robin of apologetics!
2 lions of Christ keep moving forward ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
No notifications for this session but I'm catching up.
May the Triune God bless & protect you both
🕊️🕯️🤍
One day we'll get Christian Prince on this channel
It’s godlogic is my favorite theme and opening intro!
I love you guys! May God continue to do the wonderful work He's doing in and through yon lives. Thank you for availing selves for His use, fi our good!
I love Avery and Sam together ❤❤❤ they make each other's gifts work on super holy spirit fire 🔥 God Bless you guys
Godbless You My Brother In Christ Jesus Alleluia
Assyrian Encyclopedia was born one day........Just wasn't yesterday!😂😂😂😮
I hope Sam does make that clip in regards to the verbiage used! 👍
PS to my English speaking breathen in Christ - God, the true God, is with uppercase "g". Lowercase is used to denote false gods.
Christ iz king god bless you both and keep u safe amen from NZ
Thank you both ❤
May יחוח take care of all Christians going up against anything antiChrist...In the mighty name ישוע המשיח
I love debates and Q&A with these guys
King of kings ❤is Christ
Avery you are a boss for having sam on lettind him do his shamoun thing! Praise jesus and god bless you both
I've been watching your debating vids out of curiosity and I find them very fascinating,
I hold no views one way or the other but they are interesting
That Asif guy was on your stream before Avery and you kicked him because he was dishonest then the next day he came back under a different name to ask for a second chance if you remember this was a few weeks ago
Yeah that asif clown trolls Sam’s fb pages
@@beerserker4455 I remember
And he sounds retardedly desperate and stupid.
I don't understand how people can follow Islam and have the Quran be constantly proven wrong at all times.
To add to the answer for Ahaziah's age: if you read 2 Chronicles in Hebrew, the literal rendering is "a son of 42 years". Whenever this phrase setup is used, it refers to the length of time a particular group or family was active pertaining to a particular role. In the case of Ahaziah, his family ruled for 42 years by the time he was annointed as king at the age of 22 and thus there is absolutely no contradiction
@@biglewthebigjew If his family ruled for 42 years then it would make him 64 years old. It doesn’t matter whether he is called a daughter of 42 years or son of 42 years it makes the same meaning. As far as I can see Greek has the same wording for both verses except for the numbers. How would you explain that?
Why does the KJV Bible have 42 years old and NIV, NCB,NET…. have 22 in theirs? Even Christian scholars have come to this conclusion of this verse being contradictory. There is no way out buddy.
Explain this contradiction after answering the first one.
In Luke 23:39-43 it mentions one thief as penitent and the other impenitent, Mathew 27:44 makes it clear that both thieves were impenitent. Don’t tell me there were more than two thieves crucified with Jesus because that would then make it contradictory to Christian scholars.
After answering that one you may explain this. If Mark was not a disciple of Jesus then how come Luke copy from someone who didn’t walk with Jesus and never saw his actions? Mark copied from Mathew and added things which he heard about Christ from others.
All floors is yours!
@AhmadSulaimanFahim57 Ahaziah's great-grandfather Omri took the throne and began the family dynasty before Ahaziah was born. By the time Ahaziah came to reign his family dynasty was in its 42 year when Ahaziah was 22 which is what it means when the Hebrew says "a son of 42 years". That's not a contradiction you just failed to understand what I said.
The reason for the differences in the English translations is because the source texts they pull from have that variation. The Quran has gone through these same variations and worse. You actually have more than 30 different Qurans that have different Arabic words. The differences are so vast that some countries and principalities have banned certain versions for "being the wrong Quran". So your false god lied to you about perfect preservation. Moreover, if the Bible and Torah are corrupt that means you're false god also failed to protect the previous revelation and your fake prophet affirmed corrupted scriptures multiple times. Muhammad claimed in the Quran that he had the correct scripture and told people this. The Arabic phrase that is used is "بين يديه" which means "between his hands". So according this phrase, your false prophet was holding the Torah and Injeel that he believed in and affirmed to be true which we still use to this today. So tell me: was your prophet lying to you and Allah is a false god? You have no way out of this.
@@biglewthebigjew Oh dude I didn’t think of you becoming this emotional. No worries and I am not surprised at all because I am having a conversation with a Christians who is a Sam, Avery and likes of them life-follower.
Just a little piece of advice to you, use facts not emotions.
Coming back to our topic. As I said 2 Chronicles and 2 Kings are similar in Greek Bible. Under which circumstances are you quoting Hebrew Bible where it doesn’t even exist. There might be translations into Hebrew but you don’t have the original text in your hands. So if you give your interpretation to “a son of 42 years old” I would expect you to use that with “a son of 22 years old” in 2 Kings, again it makes a contradiction. Because if in 2 Chronicles his family’s dynasty would make it 22 years of their reign. Still a contradiction. There is no way out buddy.
The one who hasn’t understood is you. You give your own interpretations to your texts however Paul has said not to give your own interpretations to the scriptures. You go against your Holy Book. So if the source they are pulling the texts from have contradiction, that would mean the original texts from third and fourth centuries existing with Christians are contradictory. Why did King James try to change it to 22 years?
Qur’an hasn’t been through processes as your Bible. Qur’an is not a mess like the Bible nor is it a work of humans. Qur’an is perfectly preserved from the time of prophet and it was revealed in 7 Ahruf which has no contradictions in their meanings. It’s like American and British English dialects. So shut up if you don’t anything.
Allah didn’t fail to preserve previous revelations but they were revealed for a specific time to a specific party of people. Even you as a Christian believe in progressive revelations. So 🤫🤐.
Qur’an has never affirmed the BIBLE. It still affirms the Gospel (remember not GOSPELS) which was GIVEN to Jesus pbuh. Do you believe that the Bible was revealed or given to Jesus? No! You believe that the Bible is a written biography about Jesus written 100s of years after Jesus.
No neither Allah is lying nor prophet.
Paul has lied to you so badly that you blindly follow all of those fairy tales.
Now answer to each and every single point I raised. And I want you to explain the contradiction about crucifixion of Jesus.
Allah-U-Akbar.
@AhmadSulaimanFahim57 stop lying and deflecting. There is no other Torah and Gospels that exist that your fake prophet could have afirmed. Unless you have definitive proof of some other scripture ( which you don't) you have no grounds to stand on. According to your fake book Jesus came for everyone. Your false god lied again and your answers don't satisfy the questions I've asked
He knows and fashions you for what he wills for you irrespective of what you believe.
Im waiting for the Grayson session. Would love to see that discussion.
Thank you Avery and Sam for these awesome posts. I love the knowledge and faith you both put forth every time. Sometimes though you guys get a little too pushy with our Muslim brothers who are doubting that ridiculous "religion". Sometimes you just have to leave it to our beautiful Lord and savior!
I am a proud Roman Catholic and am predestined to be placed in a good Catholic family. Thank God! I am Very happy that you two are educated enough to use logic to refute these people that do not use logic to discus their own faith that they don't know.
Lord be with you,🙏🏿all
Please do the topic about can Allah enter his creations! Muslims needs to answer who talked to Moses in the burning bush
@@zenithofaldebaran8535 hahahahaha.... You must be smoking something very strong..
Who did Moses speak to in the burning bush?
Because it say in your quran Allah spoke to Moses in the burning bush.
So it means Allah can enter his creations
@@zenithofaldebaran8535 Is your voice a part of creation? is our hearing a part of creation? yes, alalh spoke to moses therefore allah was inside creation, simple really.
@@zenithofaldebaran8535Then why does Moses say he had seen God?
There was a debate with Jake the Muslime Metaphycian and a shia guy. It got onto Allah descending every night to hear prayers. The Shia guy made Jake look like a fool. Avery should have someone on to discuss that, not Sam though, I think he's starting a cult.
@@zenithofaldebaran8535 Allah is weak and limited... He can only speak 1 language, he even looks disable.. And you are right we are not the same. Our God can enter into creation, his not a weak God..
CHEF LOGIC SHIRT..... and a Garfield lasagna shirt...Comes together so well
😊Bless you guys love your work,there is no salvation in Islam😂😂😂😂😂
Amen
Good sesh 🫶✝️🔥💪❤
45 mins...Avery proves hes an alpha
God bless you guys ❤❤❤❤
Amen
We all love Sam Halal Hogan!
Some of us think he's starting a cult.
GLORY TO JESUS!!!!!
HOW DID THE PROPHETS GET THEIR PROPHECIES? "For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were MOVED BY the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:21
Sam we want you to go to speaker conner.. please God bless all the way from Papua New Guinea ❤❤
Praise God for His vessels. May the Lord God Almighty, the Possessor of Heaven and Earth protect them and use them mightily in the work of leading other sheep that are not of this flock to the Shepherd of souls.
God bless.
Would love for Rumzi to rock up and try his luck at debating one of these two.
God bless you Avery and Sam as well! Love when you have Sam on, and you helping him stay peaceful 😂
Amen for the salvation 🥳
Yes ❤
I absolutely love these men of god that have submitted and yield to the holy spirit to use them thank you chef and hogan❤
It's absolutely LAUGHABLE whenever Muslims talk about the simplicity of the Qur'an!! 🤣
Christ is king
I just hope muslims watch these with an honest and open heart, I want them to be saved as many are good ppls...God bless you guys...
I love when Sam sings “it’s God logic”! I actually really like the song
They call you guys hate missionaries lol
God bless both of you! All glory to our Lord and God Jesus Christ!
First time callerr searching for God very calm , he will come to christ one dsy
Thank you
There are 5 Pillars of Islam and 6 Articles of Faith.
Which are not in the quran ☪️🤡
What a confused religion i feel sorry for the Muslims
Dear SAM, also modz whoever. Could you please share a link where to donate to SAM. I may not agree with everything but you bring a lot of revalation
What's the website Sam said has all the contradictions of Islam.??
Can we get the link to Sam's rumble channel
rumble.com/user/AnsweringIslam
@@shamounian brother Sam can you give me your Facebook page Link too?
Sam and Avery is out here doing the Lords work 🙏🏽
I just got a question. When did the name "Mohammed" first appear with the vowels? If I'm not mistaken, the actual name with vowels didn't exist till the 9th century.
Oh you don't consider being a giant? 100? You are so humble
Hey Godlogic how can I get access to the sources and articles that you guys provided in this video. I would like to read them.
If Sam us here it would be is own blog site called "answering islam blog" or answering islam . Com sams articles
answeringislam.info/Quran/Contra/predestination.html
answeringislam.info/authors/shamoun/hell_purpose_m.html
@@shamounianGod Bless u Sam
@@shamounianoh Sam you’re the best for delivering the articles!
@@shamounian thank you so much man I really appreciate it .🙏🏾
..When Netanyahu travels to the Amerikas and UK, his name must be changed to Netflix?
Hey! In 2:05:00 when you were discussing eith the young man.
I think something thwt might have help3d would have approached it in askingg him what is god supposed to be? Using the philophic argument of evil.
And explaing that hiatorically these constitute the attributes of God, omnipotence,omnipresence, and Omnibenevolence.
And if you can show that the god you worship is not one of those. Then he can not be god according to philosophy.
Then he would have either needed to deny all of philosophic history(including the philosophy of religion) and talk3d with him about how control, and purposeful eternal torment, constitutes god being good.
If you are a muslim watching this and you disagree with what Avery and Sam have said so far. Type "I don't agree" below.
From my post, Lovely Islamic Language
'Utayy ibn Damura said, "I saw with Ubay a man who was attributing himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, so Ubay told him to bite his father's male organ and did not speak figuratively (i.e. was explicit). So his companions looked at him. He said, 'It appears that you disapprove of it.' Then he said, 'I will never show apprehension to anyone with regards to this. Verily, I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, "Whomever attributes himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, then tell him to bite his father's male organ and do not speak figuratively (i.e. be explicit)." '
[adab:963]
It was narrated from Ubayy ibn Ka‘b that a man boasted in an ignorant manner of his tribal lineage, so he told him to bite his father’s male member, and he did not use a metaphor. The people looked askance at him, so he said to the people: I can see what you are thinking, and I can only say this: that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) instructed us: “If you hear someone boasting in an ignorant manner of his tribal lineage, then tell him to bite his father’s male member, and do not use a metaphor.”
Narrated by Ahmad (35/157); classed as hasan by the commentators on al-Musnad.
It was narrated from Ubayy (may Allah be pleased with him) that a man boasted of his tribal lineage, and Ubayy told him to bite his father’s male member, and they said: You were never given to obscene speech! He said: We were instructed to do that.
Narrated by Ahmad (35/142); classed as hasan by the commentators on al-Musnad and as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘.
Detailed discussion about the hadith “Tell him to bite his father’s male member” and refutation of those who say that this is gratuitously obscene speech - Islam Question & Answer
Abu Bakr to a man: امْصُصْ بَظْرَ اللاَّتِ، Suck Al-Lat's clitoris!
[bukhari/54/19] (Arabic)
Resumption of the account of Ibn 'Abd al-Ala and Ya'qub: 'Urwah said: "This man has offered you a sensible proposal. Accept it, and let me go to him." They said, "Go to him." So 'Urwah went to the Prophet and began speaking to him . The Prophet spoke as he had spoken to Budayl. Then 'Urwah said: "Muhammad, tell me: if you extirpate your tribesmen, have you ever heard of any of the Arabs who destroyed his own race before you? And if the contrary comes to pass,324 by God I see both prominent people and rabble who are likely to flee and leave you ." Abu Bakr said, "Go suck the clitoris of al-Lat! "
Kalamullah .Com | The History of al-Tabari Volume 8 p 76
Woa, this is awesome, Sam in the house. The walking Bible and the walking Quran
All Glory too God
Grayson is surely getting back. He came to the right channel
8:42 22:13 1:06:51 1:25:00
I never knew how goofy Islam was until I started watching these debates
This is really sad. The these people were forced into these ridiculous lies
Everything in islame is destiny and pagan moon god Lah prewrites any sin a muslim by necessity must indulge in *Sahih Muslim 2657b*
43:00 shouldn’t need a Hadith to to explain any ayah the Quran is a detailed explanation of everything
If Brother Halal Hogan could be a bit more patient, he would be even more effective. I must admit, though, that I haven’t seen Sam as patient as he was today. Keep up the good work 👏
This is why Islam doesn’t make sense. Consider this analogy: Christianity is like the person who organized and hosted a party, providing all the details firsthand. In contrast, Islam is like someone who never attended the party but tries to describe it, offering a later account that changes the original story. 🥴
But is Sam wrong though? All he did was to use a perfectly valid synonym for the abdoools mut'ah, which really should be something positive since al Lah allows it? And btw, it is not abrogated in sunni islame. Because it is abrogated in hadeth only, and queer'an superseeds the hadeths. al Lah never abrogated it in queer'an, so it is till valid also for sunnis.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable
i would back you up on that. but i wish like when avery would read for them he wouldn’t argue with a muslim while avery is trying to read. no one is perfect but that would be amazing.
You should understand that Sam is old school. He has been debating muslims for decades now, so he knows all their arguments and diversion tactics. Most of them are not straightforward with their answers, so it requires a lot of patience to make them stay on course. If you watch other apologetics like Ahmad, Rob Christian, Siiig, Jai & DoC, Bob, Black Doctor, Christian Prince, etc, they do the same. Avery is also beginning to lose his patience. When you watch his recent videos, you will understand how dishonest these Abdools can be
@shwarjidamar8300 the issue is, these livestreams aren't just for the people our brothers in Christ are debating. The most hard-headed need a more aggressive approach, but that isn't the entire audience watching these lives. This is the first livestream w/sam in a LONG time that I'd feel comfortable sending to muslims I know. The interrupting, the name calling, the lack of patience and grace.... if these livestreams truly make it so hard to maintain a Christ-like composure (remember, Christ was the most aggressive with the educated pharisees, not the lost & misguided), then we would all benefit if they would dedicate efforts to create detailed polemic videos on these important topics that cut out all the extra drama that, despite serving a certain purpose, is really distracting & in large doses is not promoting a healthy apologetics culture
Islam is.like the broken phone game. By the time it got to Muhamad it was a different word.
SYR_18_ (Muhammad) is such an honest being. He has the ultimate Amenesia. He is just doing what he was being told to do. 2:30:34 was the beginning if the laugh