@@steveglossop No, a better analogy would be If you want to stay a millionaire...? Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Diwali or Hanukkah or Bodhi Day instead of Yule/Christmas. Nobody is forcing you to drink wine or lager instead of proper beer.
@steveglossop I don't know what you mean by "native people". I've noticed a lot of English people think they are native. Maybe that's the issue. No, a cultural group of so few would be absorbed, but the white British are the majority and have the strongest grip on both finance and the cultural engines. The number of white British is not in decline and so there is no reason why the things you like should go away. Yes, there may be alternatives, but you can continue to enjoy Christmas and music-hall and dog-fighting and all the things your grandparents enjoyed. The reality is that Muslim kids now celebrate Christmas.
@steveglossop I did not say identify as English, of course English people do that, I said a lot of English people identify as native. Which they are not, at least not native to the British Isles. The number of white British people is not in decline, not seriously. As a proportion of the population we are, but absolute numbers are only declining very slowly. It's absolute numbers that matter here. If it takes 10,000 people to support a pub then it doesn't matter if there are another 10,000 people who don't go to pubs. With the white British population basically constant then there is no reason for white British culture to die. Of course culture changes - nobody goes to Church anymore and not because there are mosques, temples and synagogues. Same with music-hall and dog-fighting. You can be as Canute-like as you please and still the culture changes. And Muslim kids do get Christmas presents - especially those with parents who were born here. It doesn't matter what it says in the Quran, all they care about is the TV ads and what Janet nextdoor is getting.
My partner (Thai, recently deceased) loved overt displays of national pride on behalf of the British. She loved being here and was mystified that we wouldn't recognise how lucky we are. Her contempt for non-ethnic Britons who moaned about Britain was something to behold. RIP sweetheart x
I've lived, studied, and worked in Japan, Korea, and China. I wished we were getting people from East Asia/Southeast Asia as immigrants. Great peoples!
that's an angle, if you come to a country with national pride then it suggests people care for the nation, why wouldn't you feel secure both economically and physically when people care about it. im not sure how diversity is going to create that same type of unity. especially when you have so many people coming and almost just bullying their position into the society, and then creating tension, meanwhile people multiculturalism is being defended on behalf of these very disrespectful conditions of entering the country. people with respect for themselves dont buy that. and then on top of it your not even allowed to have an identity and or be a nationalist. thats such a dumb way to brute force mullticulturalism in a way that backfires. you cant just put people who are rudely pushy yet playing the victim and say get along
Why must we indigenous British people be forced to justify our desire to retain our British identity to other cultures simply because they question it when they have decided to move here? They were not forced to come here.
My grandfather was from China. I'm a third generation Singaporean. We'll retain some parts of the Chinese culture. We even have some Britishness because the British founded my city (we kicked them out after independence). It's dominated by Chinese immigrants, and has some Chineseness, but we don't keep all of it. Malay neighbours and Indian immigrants have also made up parts of our culture. There was some anxiety about losing our Chineseness - we've all had to let go of our old languages and speak English. But we got something even better in return. Southeast Asia looks at Europe today, how they are struggling with multi-culturalism, and we are amazed that they are screwing up something that comes so easily and naturally to us. If you're a capable and intelligent person, you'll know how to adapt, and learn new things from different cultures, and cobble together things from everywhere to build something even greater. If you hold on to the past, it will be a diminishing asset. Stop daydreaming about the past. You probably wouldn't want to live like your grandparents anyway. Newsflash, the old things will fade away with time. Stop being a fool to try to hold on to it. Here's a quote by an Englishman: kiss me where the sun don't shine, the past is yours but the future's mine.
Britain is failing because Anglo Saxon style capitalism is failing. Government is failing. It's failing because of Brexit, and Brexit was the fault of the natives not the migrants. It's not because of the foreigners (although I acknowledge that in one or two ways they are unhelpful). There is a way for the UK to become great again, and it involves joining forces with the migrants to make the UK a great place. If you were to shut them out of society and society were to fail because of that, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.
No daydreams for past It's Future counts Been to multicultural countries Everyone a bit of everything nobody very much anything Envious of people with unique Language Culture Heritage and National Identity
@@johnpurcell7525 Britain was never not a multicultural nation. It's been multicultural since the Normandy Invasion. English is a highly irregular language because it's the most impure language in the world, with loan words from all the other languages. But I've only ever lived in multicultural societies and I'm really glad the world is moving in that direction. In Singapore or California, there are around 5 main cultures, and many other small ones. I never wanted to be China or Japan or the UK, any more than I want to go from owning 5 cars to owning 1 car. And I would rather chew my foot off than to live in an environment that's as narrow minded, parochial and unstimulating as whatever you imagine the UK should be.
Diversity is conformity. We aren't all the same. Why is every country starting starting to look the same Ireland for the Irish, Nigeria for Nigerians, Pakistan for Pakistanis.
You are very confused. Diversity enriches our lives, be it new food, new music or even new ways of looking at the world. Can you honestly say it's not better having a choice?
@@davidmorgan6896it was better before diversity. Food and music are irrelevant to the point of the state of the UK today. Our music was certainly better, as were our fashions. Food has improved because we, as British people grow better food, experiment more and we haven’t been forced to ration due to war.
It’s really strange that a government with the progressive mindset, Will in turn invite Citizens from socioeconomic backgrounds who are opposed to the very progressive policies that they are entering.
In the 1950s and 60s it was crystal clear to new arrivals what Britain was, its heritage, what everyday values were and in general what a homogenous society looked like. Now it's a free for all at our expense
Yeah. There is something wrong when we don't hold any frame anymore . I do wonder how the best intentioned immigrants are supposed to figure out what we actually are culturally. Mono cultures side by side is the best description. Diversity being 'strength' is utter nonsense. Social solidarity really IS strength.
@@vinlennox7658Sadly our grandparents and parents didn't learn that lesson from history yet as we continue to repeat it over and over again....multiculturalism is a failed experiment all throughout history....
The current Labour Party hate Britain, British values and any people that respect and represent this. Quite clearly their agenda is to totally destroy this.
If you don't like the way we live and our culture and history, then don't come here unless you want to live as we live. I notice we don't have a problem with Hindu's, Sihks, Chinese, polish, Hungarians. Why is our government always pandering to every whim and complaints muslim constantly levy against us. The UK obviously does not suit them and begs the question why they came here in the first place and did not select another islamic country to move to??????
With all due respect if you don't know what is happening across Christian Countries then you will never know so stop asking why the government does this.
Look why all these conversations let the indegenious natives say yes or no through a referendum vote for Multicultruism , not the elites deciding but ordinary people .
I can’t understand why they are flooding into Europe and bringing everyone down with them. Why can’t they emigrate to other Muslim countries where the culture is the same?
Chap's right. As an irish immigrant I still want ireland to win the rugby. I don't pass the cricket test. I remain Irish, including the passport I travel on. I believe the UK is heading to sectarianism. Ironically the Irish know all about that 😒
I grew up in Derry through the 70's, I never liked seeing the Union Flag , Now i live in England i wish i seen a Union Flag on every Street, but Alas, It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to all of the West
Bt you were British all but name to start with your Grandfather was probably born British speak English support Rugby a British game come from country everything British with coat Green Paint.
On John McGuirk's point that there is no issue with a multiethnic society, only a multcultural one. I'm not sure how true this is. A few questions come to mind. How many good examples are there of countries that have significant distinct ethnic groups and are coherent, peaceful, equitable societies without a contested identity? Does it only work if minority ethnic groups are so small that they do not contest the national identity articulated by the majority ethnic group? How can you avoid division by 'race hustlers' and pandering by political parties when you have ethnic groups that can constitute strategic voting blocs? Will distinct minority ethnic groups, even if they initially subscribe to the local culture, ultimately end up creating a separate culture over time, at least to some extent, purely because they look different, making them feel they are different, leading to a desire to formulate their own identity, expressed in 'culture' that can become exclusionary to others? Does harmony between multiple ethnic groups require a sort of 'black canvas' for a new national identity like the US, Canada, Australia (at the expense of the indigenous tribes of course), in which many groups can partake "from the start", so to speak? How do you avoid a long established incumbent ethnic group not seeing newly arrived ethnic groups as newcomers with less ownership over the heritage and history of the country, even if they buy into it?
He sure dropped a whopper there. I'm wondering, has he ever been abroad? He should visit Indonesia for example, where he'd have good opportunity to closely examine the social treatment of some ethnic Indonesians with dark skin as opposed to those with lighter skin.
It was the Western Hegemony that commited genocide to Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals. Plus it was the brits that invented concentration camps in The Boer War.
@@superjohnnygamble6328 What utter nonsense. The Native Americans were doing a very good job of killing each other's tribes. The Australian Aboriginals also killed any young women who had the temerity to question their teaching Elder's beliefs. As for concentration camps - do you know anything at all about the Roman Empire?
I haven’t listened yet. But if you go to another country to live you should integrate into that culture by mixing with the natives, building friendships and relationships. You should find out what the native people value when it comes to social etiquette. I know manners may not seem like a huge deal but many cultures have differences in what they see as polite or rude. And it goes a long way when forming stereotypes. We all do it. What is seen as confidence and go getting can be seen as arrogant and pushy by others. And having worked in retail for two decades, for a very multicultural outlet that serves a diverse group of people, and as someone who likes to observe human interactions, well I can see how cultural differences can impact interactions and lead to actual bigotry. Which causes huge social problems in societies. It takes time for people to settle into a new type of tribe made up of many. The more you add the harder it is. That’s why I think if you value your society these things need to be done slowly and with great care. Mass migration always ends in disaster for at least one of the groups. People don’t like to give power away. Or even share.
I worked for 30 years all over the world in the hotel business where you would really see human interaction in all its variable forms with such extreme cases of racism, cultural hatred, religious crushing dogma, corrupt caste systems, enforced slavery and just downright cruelty. In short, those who seek harmonious multiculturism are living a pipe dream. It ain't ever gonna happen. EVER.
it is not possible to integrate with a belief structure based on three books which insist on being the one and only political-religion-society Books which demands it has the right to extinguish all who are not adherents their system. It is not possible to have dialoge with these people.
@@Christine-eb1sc the koran; the surah. the hadiths. the rewritten old testament, the life of , and the sayings of, the mythical------ from the cities for which there is no archeological evidence. the three books written 100years or more after the death of the mythical person.
I found this really interesting and get the issue with integration and how multiculturalism prohibits integration but some people are asking if integration is ever possible
Multiculturalism is apartheid that fuels hatred and geared towards undermining homogeneous European societies. See Peter Sutherland, Ireland. American born Barbara Spectre in Sweden. Anetta Kahane in Germany, and the list can go on and on.
No it's not because you have different cultures and different beliefs each with their own way of life and no one wants someone else's culture and beliefs rammed down there throat's you can't force your will upon someone else who doesn't believe the same way as you do
Yes i have to agree white people should not be treated differently because of the color of there skin, And should not be pilloried because they don't agree to certain actions or beliefs of others.!
Many English nationalists comment that settlers in their country should adapt to their culture, but don't seem to be aware that England's ruling class used Divide & Rule policies to keep the minority Protestant settlers in Ireland from identifying with the majority culture, so that the people would not unite against the political elites. This was done through giving the Planters preferential treatment so that they would not want to identify with the majority as it would mean a loss of their special status (two-tier society) The monarchy is a top-down social order that worked to protect the ruling elite's personal wealth and power and instill compliance in the public. The ruling class rewarded loyal supporters with titles, and lands confiscated from the 'disloyal'. They cared about self-enrichment, not the 'native' people. They divided the native peoples to weaken social cohesion and protect their privileged position
Thanks, one of the few comments on this talk that is grounded in a knowledge of history. We will keep going on in bitter rivalry when discussing the migration issue, if education isn’t reformed to truly tackle our history in an unbiased way. Typically in these discussions the ‘othered’ group is the scapegoat due to a lack of an adequate, balanced approach to the UK’s brutal history of oppression and domination. We have to accept that many people who seek asylum are coming here due to our own foreign policy.
I think that position is totally incoherent. There will always be one cultural group which is more evolutionarily adaptive than others. we can support classical liberal Englishness and soft Anglican moral assumptions all we want but the Muslims have more kids and have more ethnic solidarity. You cannot go on forever like that. Eventually there is a tipping point. Any majority which does not attempt to assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners won’t be a majority for long.
I disagree. Any majority which does not assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners will simply be replaced by a stronger group. You may not have noticed by liberal post Anglican boomer types don’t have many kids compared to the Islamic settlers
@@darcylauren1934seems to me you could only get to that point by having a nationalist government. And a nationalist political movement would have already provoked the kind of violent resistance that tends to produce a spiral of revolutionary conditions. So by that point the government could do whatever it wanted. My view is basically that a people is justified in doing whatever is necessary to secure a future for itself in its homeland so my views fall way out of the liberal mainstream and would probably see me convicted if I voiced them all openly
Christianity isn't indigenous to England... it's a mythical tale from the desert nomads not even of the European continent... It was as foreign as these immigrants in its time...
Renan makes it clear that race, language interests, military necessity do not make a nation - it is the common glories of the past & the present consent to maintain them for the future. A nation is a great solidarity about suffering together & consenting to a common life. It has nothing to do with race or even merely shared language. Renan would be horrified by the conservative Right's atomized consumerism - which looks at solidarity as abjection.
John has values that are not shared by the majority of people. For example, hard conservative ideas on gay marriage and abortion. The irish people voted by a large majority for abortion rights and gay marriage in referenda. So the question is, should we deport people like John who dont share the values of the Irish people? Maybe they'd be more at home in reactionary conservative states like Hungary, Russia etc.
The fact you ever believed that any referendum in Ireland on gay marriage actually was a positively for majority vote speaks volumes. You were gaslit, bigtime.
Respect for other people and what they are is key…intergration is a failed idea….respect each others identities and stop expecting people to be like you…it smacks of colonialist arrogance….the UK invaded many countries and the people from them countries decided to come to the UK….perhaps if the UK had stayed within its borders on its island no one would have bothered.
So your argument is, previous governments f-ed over people in the past, so now you get f-ed over because that's fair? Not, that was negative behaviour to which innocent humans were abused for no fault of their own, how can we offer resolution and prevent this happening again? Yeah, eye for an eye always works out well.
Every country has a right to honour and upholding their unique cultural traditions and heritage.
End the Woke nonsense.
Except the opposite has been taught in western nations since the end of WW2.
And how is this under threat? If you want to maintain a traditional culture who is stopping you?
@@steveglossop No, a better analogy would be If you want to stay a millionaire...?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Diwali or Hanukkah or Bodhi Day instead of Yule/Christmas. Nobody is forcing you to drink wine or lager instead of proper beer.
@steveglossop I don't know what you mean by "native people". I've noticed a lot of English people think they are native. Maybe that's the issue.
No, a cultural group of so few would be absorbed, but the white British are the majority and have the strongest grip on both finance and the cultural engines. The number of white British is not in decline and so there is no reason why the things you like should go away. Yes, there may be alternatives, but you can continue to enjoy Christmas and music-hall and dog-fighting and all the things your grandparents enjoyed. The reality is that Muslim kids now celebrate Christmas.
@steveglossop I did not say identify as English, of course English people do that, I said a lot of English people identify as native. Which they are not, at least not native to the British Isles.
The number of white British people is not in decline, not seriously. As a proportion of the population we are, but absolute numbers are only declining very slowly. It's absolute numbers that matter here. If it takes 10,000 people to support a pub then it doesn't matter if there are another 10,000 people who don't go to pubs. With the white British population basically constant then there is no reason for white British culture to die. Of course culture changes - nobody goes to Church anymore and not because there are mosques, temples and synagogues. Same with music-hall and dog-fighting. You can be as Canute-like as you please and still the culture changes.
And Muslim kids do get Christmas presents - especially those with parents who were born here. It doesn't matter what it says in the Quran, all they care about is the TV ads and what Janet nextdoor is getting.
My partner (Thai, recently deceased) loved overt displays of national pride on behalf of the British. She loved being here and was mystified that we wouldn't recognise how lucky we are. Her contempt for non-ethnic Britons who moaned about Britain was something to behold. RIP sweetheart x
😢 may she rest easy until you reunite my friend. Love from Éire.❤
I've lived, studied, and worked in Japan, Korea, and China. I wished we were getting people from East Asia/Southeast Asia as immigrants. Great peoples!
@@allisnotwhatitseems. Thanks mate, she was something else x
that's an angle, if you come to a country with national pride then it suggests people care for the nation, why wouldn't you feel secure both economically and physically when people care about it. im not sure how diversity is going to create that same type of unity. especially when you have so many people coming and almost just bullying their position into the society, and then creating tension, meanwhile people multiculturalism is being defended on behalf of these very disrespectful conditions of entering the country. people with respect for themselves dont buy that. and then on top of it your not even allowed to have an identity and or be a nationalist. thats such a dumb way to brute force mullticulturalism in a way that backfires. you cant just put people who are rudely pushy yet playing the victim and say get along
God Bless You Both...
Why must we indigenous British people be forced to justify our desire to retain our British identity to other cultures simply because they question it when they have decided to move here? They were not forced to come here.
What if being white European iis my Identity Culture and Heritage what will Integration do for that if not eventually destroying it
Oh Didums
My grandfather was from China. I'm a third generation Singaporean. We'll retain some parts of the Chinese culture. We even have some Britishness because the British founded my city (we kicked them out after independence). It's dominated by Chinese immigrants, and has some Chineseness, but we don't keep all of it. Malay neighbours and Indian immigrants have also made up parts of our culture. There was some anxiety about losing our Chineseness - we've all had to let go of our old languages and speak English. But we got something even better in return.
Southeast Asia looks at Europe today, how they are struggling with multi-culturalism, and we are amazed that they are screwing up something that comes so easily and naturally to us.
If you're a capable and intelligent person, you'll know how to adapt, and learn new things from different cultures, and cobble together things from everywhere to build something even greater. If you hold on to the past, it will be a diminishing asset. Stop daydreaming about the past. You probably wouldn't want to live like your grandparents anyway.
Newsflash, the old things will fade away with time. Stop being a fool to try to hold on to it. Here's a quote by an Englishman: kiss me where the sun don't shine, the past is yours but the future's mine.
Britain is failing because Anglo Saxon style capitalism is failing. Government is failing. It's failing because of Brexit, and Brexit was the fault of the natives not the migrants.
It's not because of the foreigners (although I acknowledge that in one or two ways they are unhelpful). There is a way for the UK to become great again, and it involves joining forces with the migrants to make the UK a great place. If you were to shut them out of society and society were to fail because of that, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.
No daydreams for past It's Future counts Been to multicultural countries Everyone a bit of everything nobody very much anything Envious of people with unique Language Culture Heritage and National Identity
@@johnpurcell7525 Britain was never not a multicultural nation. It's been multicultural since the Normandy Invasion. English is a highly irregular language because it's the most impure language in the world, with loan words from all the other languages.
But I've only ever lived in multicultural societies and I'm really glad the world is moving in that direction. In Singapore or California, there are around 5 main cultures, and many other small ones. I never wanted to be China or Japan or the UK, any more than I want to go from owning 5 cars to owning 1 car. And I would rather chew my foot off than to live in an environment that's as narrow minded, parochial and unstimulating as whatever you imagine the UK should be.
Diversity is conformity. We aren't all the same. Why is every country starting starting to look the same Ireland for the Irish, Nigeria for Nigerians, Pakistan for Pakistanis.
You are very confused. Diversity enriches our lives, be it new food, new music or even new ways of looking at the world. Can you honestly say it's not better having a choice?
@@davidmorgan6896it was better before diversity. Food and music are irrelevant to the point of the state of the UK today. Our music was certainly better, as were our fashions. Food has improved because we, as British people grow better food, experiment more and we haven’t been forced to ration due to war.
@davidmorgan6896 and that's the reason I go on holiday, to experience the things you talk about, but then I come home.
It’s really strange that a government with the progressive mindset, Will in turn invite Citizens from socioeconomic backgrounds who are opposed to the very progressive policies that they are entering.
That's what makes them so dangerous, these people are not rational in any way shape or form.
In the 1950s and 60s it was crystal clear to new arrivals what Britain was, its heritage, what everyday values were and in general what a homogenous society looked like. Now it's a free for all at our expense
Yeah. There is something wrong when we don't hold any frame anymore .
I do wonder how the best intentioned immigrants are supposed to figure out what we actually are culturally.
Mono cultures side by side is the best description.
Diversity being 'strength' is utter nonsense. Social solidarity really IS strength.
@@vinlennox7658Sadly our grandparents and parents didn't learn that lesson from history yet as we continue to repeat it over and over again....multiculturalism is a failed experiment all throughout history....
Enoch was right but no one listened
What you have is occupiers on your land not interested in integrating at all, be truthful!
Britain has been occupied by Non Indigenous Germanic people since the 5th Century AD
@No that is not true, ethnic English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are all descendants of people indigenous to the British Isles.
@@suburbanyobbo9412 that doesn't even make sense
@@Bealtaine36 What do you think doesn’t make sense?
mass immigration + murder women = GENOCIDE
Not many white faces in the Nigerian government
I think (current) Labour Party politics are a large part of the problem.
The current Labour Party hate Britain, British values and any people that respect and represent this. Quite clearly their agenda is to totally destroy this.
Hahaha Tories promised Net Zero and it ended up as 750,000 a year.
How is that even possible? They came into power < 6 mo ago
If you don't like the way we live and our culture and history, then don't come here unless you want to live as we live.
I notice we don't have a problem with Hindu's, Sihks, Chinese, polish, Hungarians.
Why is our government always pandering to every whim and complaints muslim constantly levy against us. The UK obviously does not suit them and begs the question why they came here in the first place and did not select another islamic country to move to??????
With all due respect if you don't know what is happening across Christian Countries then you will never know so stop asking why the government does this.
Indians and Chinese can outnumber you easily. Be very careful who you open your gates to, and how many.
@@gerardshort531 Why don't you tell us what is happening. I did not know there was a cut off point for learning what is happening.
Borders should be closed we are only a small Island it is not racist to say No to your own Genocide
Look why all these conversations let the indegenious natives say yes or no through a referendum vote for Multicultruism , not the elites deciding but ordinary people .
Islam doesn’t integrate
I can’t understand why they are flooding into Europe and bringing everyone down with them. Why can’t they emigrate to other Muslim countries where the culture is the same?
Well said John
The Barcelona agreement? The KalgerI Plan? Barbara Specter?
Mc Girk is 💯 correct
Chap's right. As an irish immigrant I still want ireland to win the rugby. I don't pass the cricket test. I remain Irish, including the passport I travel on. I believe the UK is heading to sectarianism. Ironically the Irish know all about that 😒
I grew up in Derry through the 70's, I never liked seeing the Union Flag , Now i live in England i wish i seen a Union Flag on every Street, but Alas, It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to all of the West
Bt you were British all but name to start with your Grandfather was probably born British speak English support Rugby a British game come from country everything British with coat Green Paint.
@@johnpurcell7525 We have our own distinct culture from British
Éireann go breagh x
Your well aware of the size of our island if you have 2 to 3 or 4 million people wanting to come here you have a big big problem
John is very good
Excellent panel.
It’s a question of the breakdown of social cohesion…..
Can you show were it works ? when all said 🤔
@gerrandlawless It doesn't work. It was a practice for 60 years. It is a failure and the Government refuses to admit defeat.
Brilliant discussion, thanks
Why leave your country when you want to impose yourself onto the host country.
The French, Spanish and Welsh will tell you how well Anglo's integrate.
@@superjohnnygamble6328 your just supporting the argument against immigration
On John McGuirk's point that there is no issue with a multiethnic society, only a multcultural one. I'm not sure how true this is. A few questions come to mind.
How many good examples are there of countries that have significant distinct ethnic groups and are coherent, peaceful, equitable societies without a contested identity?
Does it only work if minority ethnic groups are so small that they do not contest the national identity articulated by the majority ethnic group?
How can you avoid division by 'race hustlers' and pandering by political parties when you have ethnic groups that can constitute strategic voting blocs?
Will distinct minority ethnic groups, even if they initially subscribe to the local culture, ultimately end up creating a separate culture over time, at least to some extent, purely because they look different, making them feel they are different, leading to a desire to formulate their own identity, expressed in 'culture' that can become exclusionary to others?
Does harmony between multiple ethnic groups require a sort of 'black canvas' for a new national identity like the US, Canada, Australia (at the expense of the indigenous tribes of course), in which many groups can partake "from the start", so to speak?
How do you avoid a long established incumbent ethnic group not seeing newly arrived ethnic groups as newcomers with less ownership over the heritage and history of the country, even if they buy into it?
He sure dropped a whopper there. I'm wondering, has he ever been abroad? He should visit Indonesia for example, where he'd have good opportunity to closely examine the social treatment of some ethnic Indonesians with dark skin as opposed to those with lighter skin.
culture plus barbarism does not equal multi culterism
it results in barbarism
It was the Western Hegemony that commited genocide to Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals.
Plus it was the brits that invented concentration camps in The Boer War.
@@superjohnnygamble6328 What utter nonsense. The Native Americans were doing a very good job of killing each other's tribes. The Australian Aboriginals also killed any young women who had the temerity to question their teaching Elder's beliefs. As for concentration camps - do you know anything at all about the Roman Empire?
I haven’t listened yet.
But if you go to another country to live you should integrate into that culture by mixing with the natives, building friendships and relationships.
You should find out what the native people value when it comes to social etiquette.
I know manners may not seem like a huge deal but many cultures have differences in what they see as polite or rude. And it goes a long way when forming stereotypes.
We all do it.
What is seen as confidence and go getting can be seen as arrogant and pushy by others.
And having worked in retail for two decades, for a very multicultural outlet that serves a diverse group of people, and as someone who likes to observe human interactions, well I can see how cultural differences can impact interactions and lead to actual bigotry. Which causes huge social problems in societies.
It takes time for people to settle into a new type of tribe made up of many.
The more you add the harder it is.
That’s why I think if you value your society these things need to be done slowly and with great care.
Mass migration always ends in disaster for at least one of the groups.
People don’t like to give power away. Or even share.
I worked for 30 years all over the world in the hotel business where you would really see human interaction in all its variable forms with such extreme cases of racism, cultural hatred, religious crushing dogma, corrupt caste systems, enforced slavery and just downright cruelty. In short, those who seek harmonious multiculturism are living a pipe dream. It ain't ever gonna happen. EVER.
it is not possible to integrate with a belief structure based on three books which insist on being the one and only political-religion-society Books which demands it has the right to extinguish all who are not adherents their system. It is not possible to have dialoge with these people.
What 3 books? Only one?
@@Christine-eb1sc the koran; the surah. the hadiths. the rewritten old testament, the life of , and the sayings of, the mythical------ from the cities for which there is no archeological evidence. the three books written 100years or more after the death of the mythical person.
So these are the creators of the new JaGuar logo?
Civic nationalism? I wish you well but I dont believe that will work.
I found this really interesting and get the issue with integration and how multiculturalism prohibits integration but some people are asking if integration is ever possible
Multiculturalism is apartheid that fuels hatred and geared towards undermining homogeneous European societies. See Peter Sutherland, Ireland. American born Barbara Spectre in Sweden. Anetta Kahane in Germany, and the list can go on and on.
No it's not because you have different cultures and different beliefs each with their own way of life and no one wants someone else's culture and beliefs rammed down there throat's you can't force your will upon someone else who doesn't believe the same way as you do
Yes i have to agree white people should not be treated differently because of the color of there skin, And should not be pilloried because they don't agree to certain actions or beliefs of others.!
"white people should not be treated differently because of the color of there (sic) skin".
Really? Tell that to the BLM posse.
Many English nationalists comment that settlers in their country should adapt to their culture, but don't seem to be aware that England's ruling class used Divide & Rule policies to keep the minority Protestant settlers in Ireland from identifying with the majority culture, so that the people would not unite against the political elites. This was done through giving the Planters preferential treatment so that they would not want to identify with the majority as it would mean a loss of their special status (two-tier society)
The monarchy is a top-down social order that worked to protect the ruling elite's personal wealth and power and instill compliance in the public. The ruling class rewarded loyal supporters with titles, and lands confiscated from the 'disloyal'. They cared about self-enrichment, not the 'native' people. They divided the native peoples to weaken social cohesion and protect their privileged position
Now the ruling class divide and conquer what they already rule…
Thanks, one of the few comments on this talk that is grounded in a knowledge of history. We will keep going on in bitter rivalry when discussing the migration issue, if education isn’t reformed to truly tackle our history in an unbiased way.
Typically in these discussions the ‘othered’ group is the scapegoat due to a lack of an adequate, balanced approach to the UK’s brutal history of oppression and domination. We have to accept that many people who seek asylum are coming here due to our own foreign policy.
Into the economy- firstly.
Enoch Burke was right now wasn't he...oh well
as was Enoch Powell before him.
He's right. We need to promote a majority culture nationally while being tolerant of minority cultures.
If you don't want to live as we live then why are you coming here?
I think that position is totally incoherent. There will always be one cultural group which is more evolutionarily adaptive than others. we can support classical liberal Englishness and soft Anglican moral assumptions all we want but the Muslims have more kids and have more ethnic solidarity. You cannot go on forever like that. Eventually there is a tipping point. Any majority which does not attempt to assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners won’t be a majority for long.
I disagree. Any majority which does not assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners will simply be replaced by a stronger group. You may not have noticed by liberal post Anglican boomer types don’t have many kids compared to the Islamic settlers
@@LS-xs7sg Agreed which is why language and cultural protection laws must be codified and enforced to promote the majority language and culture.
@@darcylauren1934seems to me you could only get to that point by having a nationalist government. And a nationalist political movement would have already provoked the kind of violent resistance that tends to produce a spiral of revolutionary conditions. So by that point the government could do whatever it wanted. My view is basically that a people is justified in doing whatever is necessary to secure a future for itself in its homeland so my views fall way out of the liberal mainstream and would probably see me convicted if I voiced them all openly
If you reject Christ, you are rejecting your Flag, your classical Architecture, your Heritage, your Family.. and you’ll lose your land.
Christianity isn't indigenous to England... it's a mythical tale from the desert nomads not even of the European continent... It was as foreign as these immigrants in its time...
@@darcylauren1934 Sad to here you say that. I believe in an all powerful God.
@@edahudson9460 Right because what the west needs is more ideology and blind faith in things no one can prove or point at
Well, I tbought this would be a woke fest, full of delusional lies, lecturing and hypocrisy.
I was pleasantly surprised
Renan makes it clear that race, language
interests, military necessity do not make a
nation - it is the common glories of the past
& the present consent to maintain them for
the future. A nation is a great solidarity
about suffering together & consenting to a
common life. It has nothing to do with race or
even merely shared language. Renan would
be horrified by the conservative Right's
atomized consumerism - which looks at
solidarity as abjection.
Excellent
Read Miles Mathis Updates.
Japan is probably a bad example of country. Pepole seem fairly repressed.
But are they happy? Do they themselves feel repressed or do you feel it in their behalf?
I think you mean North Korea.
Soporific.
Great share and high time to confront the -isms that divide us
John has values that are not shared by the majority of people. For example, hard conservative ideas on gay marriage and abortion. The irish people voted by a large majority for abortion rights and gay marriage in referenda.
So the question is, should we deport people like John who dont share the values of the Irish people?
Maybe they'd be more at home in reactionary conservative states like Hungary, Russia etc.
Is abortion a value?
Is prefering one body part over another body part a value?
Well said
The fact you ever believed that any referendum in Ireland on gay marriage actually was a positively for majority vote speaks volumes. You were gaslit, bigtime.
His Majesty the King, father of the nation 🤮.
Yuck, ew John no one thinks that.
Respect for other people and what they are is key…intergration is a failed idea….respect each others identities and stop expecting people to be like you…it smacks of colonialist arrogance….the UK invaded many countries and the people from them countries decided to come to the UK….perhaps if the UK had stayed within its borders on its island no one would have bothered.
So your argument is, previous governments f-ed over people in the past, so now you get f-ed over because that's fair?
Not, that was negative behaviour to which innocent humans were abused for no fault of their own, how can we offer resolution and prevent this happening again?
Yeah, eye for an eye always works out well.
Well said John