My partner (Thai, recently deceased) loved overt displays of national pride on behalf of the British. She loved being here and was mystified that we wouldn't recognise how lucky we are. Her contempt for non-ethnic Britons who moaned about Britain was something to behold. RIP sweetheart x
I've lived, studied, and worked in Japan, Korea, and China. I wished we were getting people from East Asia/Southeast Asia as immigrants. Great peoples!
that's an angle, if you come to a country with national pride then it suggests people care for the nation, why wouldn't you feel secure both economically and physically when people care about it. im not sure how diversity is going to create that same type of unity. especially when you have so many people coming and almost just bullying their position into the society, and then creating tension, meanwhile people multiculturalism is being defended on behalf of these very disrespectful conditions of entering the country. people with respect for themselves dont buy that. and then on top of it your not even allowed to have an identity and or be a nationalist. thats such a dumb way to brute force mullticulturalism in a way that backfires. you cant just put people who are rudely pushy yet playing the victim and say get along
My grandfather was from China. I'm a third generation Singaporean. We'll retain some parts of the Chinese culture. We even have some Britishness because the British founded my city (we kicked them out after independence). It's dominated by Chinese immigrants, and has some Chineseness, but we don't keep all of it. Malay neighbours and Indian immigrants have also made up parts of our culture. There was some anxiety about losing our Chineseness - we've all had to let go of our old languages and speak English. But we got something even better in return. Southeast Asia looks at Europe today, how they are struggling with multi-culturalism, and we are amazed that they are screwing up something that comes so easily and naturally to us. If you're a capable and intelligent person, you'll know how to adapt, and learn new things from different cultures, and cobble together things from everywhere to build something even greater. If you hold on to the past, it will be a diminishing asset. Stop daydreaming about the past. You probably wouldn't want to live like your grandparents anyway. Newsflash, the old things will fade away with time. Stop being a fool to try to hold on to it. Here's a quote by an Englishman: kiss me where the sun don't shine, the past is yours but the future's mine.
Britain is failing because Anglo Saxon style capitalism is failing. Government is failing. It's failing because of Brexit, and Brexit was the fault of the natives not the migrants. It's not because of the foreigners (although I acknowledge that in one or two ways they are unhelpful). There is a way for the UK to become great again, and it involves joining forces with the migrants to make the UK a great place. If you were to shut them out of society and society were to fail because of that, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.
No daydreams for past It's Future counts Been to multicultural countries Everyone a bit of everything nobody very much anything Envious of people with unique Language Culture Heritage and National Identity
In the 1950s and 60s it was crystal clear to new arrivals what Britain was, its heritage, what everyday values were and in general what a homogenous society looked like. Now it's a free for all at our expense
Yeah. There is something wrong when we don't hold any frame anymore . I do wonder how the best intentioned immigrants are supposed to figure out what we actually are culturally. Mono cultures side by side is the best description. Diversity being 'strength' is utter nonsense. Social solidarity really IS strength.
The current Labour Party hate Britain, British values and any people that respect and represent this. Quite clearly their agenda is to totally destroy this.
If you don't like the way we live and our culture and history, then don't come here unless you want to live as we live. I notice we don't have a problem with Hindu's, Sihks, Chinese, polish, Hungarians. Why is our government always pandering to every whim and complaints muslim constantly levy against us. The UK obviously does not suit them and begs the question why they came here in the first place and did not select another islamic country to move to??????
With all due respect if you don't know what is happening across Christian Countries then you will never know so stop asking why the government does this.
Diversity is conformity. We aren't all the same. Why is every country starting starting to look the same Ireland for the Irish, Nigeria for Nigerians, Pakistan for Pakistanis.
It was the Western Hegemony that commited genocide to Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals. Plus it was the brits that invented concentration camps in The Boer War.
It’s really strange that a government with the progressive mindset, Will in turn invite Citizens from socioeconomic backgrounds who are opposed to the very progressive policies that they are entering.
Chap's right. As an irish immigrant I still want ireland to win the rugby. I don't pass the cricket test. I remain Irish, including the passport I travel on. I believe the UK is heading to sectarianism. Ironically the Irish know all about that 😒
I grew up in Derry through the 70's, I never liked seeing the Union Flag , Now i live in England i wish i seen a Union Flag on every Street, but Alas, It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to all of the West
Bt you were British all but name to start with your Grandfather was probably born British speak English support Rugby a British game come from country everything British with coat Green Paint.
I haven’t listened yet. But if you go to another country to live you should integrate into that culture by mixing with the natives, building friendships and relationships. You should find out what the native people value when it comes to social etiquette. I know manners may not seem like a huge deal but many cultures have differences in what they see as polite or rude. And it goes a long way when forming stereotypes. We all do it. What is seen as confidence and go getting can be seen as arrogant and pushy by others. And having worked in retail for two decades, for a very multicultural outlet that serves a diverse group of people, and as someone who likes to observe human interactions, well I can see how cultural differences can impact interactions and lead to actual bigotry. Which causes huge social problems in societies. It takes time for people to settle into a new type of tribe made up of many. The more you add the harder it is. That’s why I think if you value your society these things need to be done slowly and with great care. Mass migration always ends in disaster for at least one of the groups. People don’t like to give power away. Or even share.
Look why all these conversations let the indegenious natives say yes or no through a referendum vote for Multicultruism , not the elites deciding but ordinary people .
Many English nationalists comment that settlers in their country should adapt to their culture, but don't seem to be aware that England's ruling class used Divide & Rule policies to keep the minority Protestant settlers in Ireland from identifying with the majority culture, so that the people would not unite against the political elites. This was done through giving the Planters preferential treatment so that they would not want to identify with the majority as it would mean a loss of their special status (two-tier society) The monarchy is a top-down social order that worked to protect the ruling elite's personal wealth and power and instill compliance in the public. The ruling class rewarded loyal supporters with titles, and lands confiscated from the 'disloyal'. They cared about self-enrichment, not the 'native' people. They divided the native peoples to weaken social cohesion and protect their privileged position
Renan makes it clear that race, language interests, military necessity do not make a nation - it is the common glories of the past & the present consent to maintain them for the future. A nation is a great solidarity about suffering together & consenting to a common life. It has nothing to do with race or even merely shared language. Renan would be horrified by the conservative Right's atomized consumerism - which looks at solidarity as abjection.
Christianity isn't indigenous to England... it's a mythical tale from the desert nomads not even of the European continent... It was as foreign as these immigrants in its time...
I found this really interesting and get the issue with integration and how multiculturalism prohibits integration but some people are asking if integration is ever possible
Multiculturalism is apartheid that fuels hatred and geared towards undermining homogeneous European societies. See Peter Sutherland, Ireland. American born Barbara Spectre in Sweden. Anetta Kahane in Germany, and the list can go on and on.
No it's not because you have different cultures and different beliefs each with their own way of life and no one wants someone else's culture and beliefs rammed down there throat's you can't force your will upon someone else who doesn't believe the same way as you do
I think that position is totally incoherent. There will always be one cultural group which is more evolutionarily adaptive than others. we can support classical liberal Englishness and soft Anglican moral assumptions all we want but the Muslims have more kids and have more ethnic solidarity. You cannot go on forever like that. Eventually there is a tipping point. Any majority which does not attempt to assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners won’t be a majority for long.
I disagree. Any majority which does not assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners will simply be replaced by a stronger group. You may not have noticed by liberal post Anglican boomer types don’t have many kids compared to the Islamic settlers
@@darcylauren1934seems to me you could only get to that point by having a nationalist government. And a nationalist political movement would have already provoked the kind of violent resistance that tends to produce a spiral of revolutionary conditions. So by that point the government could do whatever it wanted. My view is basically that a people is justified in doing whatever is necessary to secure a future for itself in its homeland so my views fall way out of the liberal mainstream and would probably see me convicted if I voiced them all openly
it is not possible to integrate with a belief structure based on three books which insist on being the one and only political-religion-society Books which demands it has the right to extinguish all who are not adherents their system. It is not possible to have dialoge with these people.
John has values that are not shared by the majority of people. For example, hard conservative ideas on gay marriage and abortion. The irish people voted by a large majority for abortion rights and gay marriage in referenda. So the question is, should we deport people like John who dont share the values of the Irish people? Maybe they'd be more at home in reactionary conservative states like Hungary, Russia etc.
Every country has a right to honour and upholding their unique cultural traditions and heritage.
End the Woke nonsense.
My partner (Thai, recently deceased) loved overt displays of national pride on behalf of the British. She loved being here and was mystified that we wouldn't recognise how lucky we are. Her contempt for non-ethnic Britons who moaned about Britain was something to behold. RIP sweetheart x
😢 may she rest easy until you reunite my friend. Love from Éire.❤
I've lived, studied, and worked in Japan, Korea, and China. I wished we were getting people from East Asia/Southeast Asia as immigrants. Great peoples!
@@allisnotwhatitseems. Thanks mate, she was something else x
that's an angle, if you come to a country with national pride then it suggests people care for the nation, why wouldn't you feel secure both economically and physically when people care about it. im not sure how diversity is going to create that same type of unity. especially when you have so many people coming and almost just bullying their position into the society, and then creating tension, meanwhile people multiculturalism is being defended on behalf of these very disrespectful conditions of entering the country. people with respect for themselves dont buy that. and then on top of it your not even allowed to have an identity and or be a nationalist. thats such a dumb way to brute force mullticulturalism in a way that backfires. you cant just put people who are rudely pushy yet playing the victim and say get along
What if being white European iis my Identity Culture and Heritage what will Integration do for that if not eventually destroying it
Oh Didums
My grandfather was from China. I'm a third generation Singaporean. We'll retain some parts of the Chinese culture. We even have some Britishness because the British founded my city (we kicked them out after independence). It's dominated by Chinese immigrants, and has some Chineseness, but we don't keep all of it. Malay neighbours and Indian immigrants have also made up parts of our culture. There was some anxiety about losing our Chineseness - we've all had to let go of our old languages and speak English. But we got something even better in return.
Southeast Asia looks at Europe today, how they are struggling with multi-culturalism, and we are amazed that they are screwing up something that comes so easily and naturally to us.
If you're a capable and intelligent person, you'll know how to adapt, and learn new things from different cultures, and cobble together things from everywhere to build something even greater. If you hold on to the past, it will be a diminishing asset. Stop daydreaming about the past. You probably wouldn't want to live like your grandparents anyway.
Newsflash, the old things will fade away with time. Stop being a fool to try to hold on to it. Here's a quote by an Englishman: kiss me where the sun don't shine, the past is yours but the future's mine.
Britain is failing because Anglo Saxon style capitalism is failing. Government is failing. It's failing because of Brexit, and Brexit was the fault of the natives not the migrants.
It's not because of the foreigners (although I acknowledge that in one or two ways they are unhelpful). There is a way for the UK to become great again, and it involves joining forces with the migrants to make the UK a great place. If you were to shut them out of society and society were to fail because of that, you will have nobody to blame but yourself.
No daydreams for past It's Future counts Been to multicultural countries Everyone a bit of everything nobody very much anything Envious of people with unique Language Culture Heritage and National Identity
In the 1950s and 60s it was crystal clear to new arrivals what Britain was, its heritage, what everyday values were and in general what a homogenous society looked like. Now it's a free for all at our expense
Yeah. There is something wrong when we don't hold any frame anymore .
I do wonder how the best intentioned immigrants are supposed to figure out what we actually are culturally.
Mono cultures side by side is the best description.
Diversity being 'strength' is utter nonsense. Social solidarity really IS strength.
I think (current) Labour Party politics are a large part of the problem.
The current Labour Party hate Britain, British values and any people that respect and represent this. Quite clearly their agenda is to totally destroy this.
Hahaha Tories promised Net Zero and it ended up as 750,000 a year.
If you don't like the way we live and our culture and history, then don't come here unless you want to live as we live.
I notice we don't have a problem with Hindu's, Sihks, Chinese, polish, Hungarians.
Why is our government always pandering to every whim and complaints muslim constantly levy against us. The UK obviously does not suit them and begs the question why they came here in the first place and did not select another islamic country to move to??????
With all due respect if you don't know what is happening across Christian Countries then you will never know so stop asking why the government does this.
Indians and Chinese can outnumber you easily. Be very careful who you open your gates to, and how many.
@@gerardshort531 Why don't you tell us what is happening. I did not know there was a cut off point for learning what is happening.
Diversity is conformity. We aren't all the same. Why is every country starting starting to look the same Ireland for the Irish, Nigeria for Nigerians, Pakistan for Pakistanis.
culture plus barbarism does not equal multi culterism
it results in barbarism
It was the Western Hegemony that commited genocide to Native Americans and Australian Aboriginals.
Plus it was the brits that invented concentration camps in The Boer War.
Mc Girk is 💯 correct
It’s really strange that a government with the progressive mindset, Will in turn invite Citizens from socioeconomic backgrounds who are opposed to the very progressive policies that they are entering.
What you have is occupiers on your land not interested in integrating at all, be truthful!
Britain has been occupied by Non Indigenous Germanic people since the 5th Century AD
@No that is not true, ethnic English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish people are all descendants of people indigenous to the British Isles.
Chap's right. As an irish immigrant I still want ireland to win the rugby. I don't pass the cricket test. I remain Irish, including the passport I travel on. I believe the UK is heading to sectarianism. Ironically the Irish know all about that 😒
I grew up in Derry through the 70's, I never liked seeing the Union Flag , Now i live in England i wish i seen a Union Flag on every Street, but Alas, It's heartbreaking to see what's happening to all of the West
Bt you were British all but name to start with your Grandfather was probably born British speak English support Rugby a British game come from country everything British with coat Green Paint.
@@johnpurcell7525 We have our own distinct culture from British
Éireann go breagh x
Your well aware of the size of our island if you have 2 to 3 or 4 million people wanting to come here you have a big big problem
I haven’t listened yet.
But if you go to another country to live you should integrate into that culture by mixing with the natives, building friendships and relationships.
You should find out what the native people value when it comes to social etiquette.
I know manners may not seem like a huge deal but many cultures have differences in what they see as polite or rude. And it goes a long way when forming stereotypes.
We all do it.
What is seen as confidence and go getting can be seen as arrogant and pushy by others.
And having worked in retail for two decades, for a very multicultural outlet that serves a diverse group of people, and as someone who likes to observe human interactions, well I can see how cultural differences can impact interactions and lead to actual bigotry. Which causes huge social problems in societies.
It takes time for people to settle into a new type of tribe made up of many.
The more you add the harder it is.
That’s why I think if you value your society these things need to be done slowly and with great care.
Mass migration always ends in disaster for at least one of the groups.
People don’t like to give power away. Or even share.
Look why all these conversations let the indegenious natives say yes or no through a referendum vote for Multicultruism , not the elites deciding but ordinary people .
Well said John
John is very good
Many English nationalists comment that settlers in their country should adapt to their culture, but don't seem to be aware that England's ruling class used Divide & Rule policies to keep the minority Protestant settlers in Ireland from identifying with the majority culture, so that the people would not unite against the political elites. This was done through giving the Planters preferential treatment so that they would not want to identify with the majority as it would mean a loss of their special status (two-tier society)
The monarchy is a top-down social order that worked to protect the ruling elite's personal wealth and power and instill compliance in the public. The ruling class rewarded loyal supporters with titles, and lands confiscated from the 'disloyal'. They cared about self-enrichment, not the 'native' people. They divided the native peoples to weaken social cohesion and protect their privileged position
Now the ruling class divide and conquer what they already rule…
Excellent panel.
Cities in the UK have removed the word Christmas from any of their literate and festivals. It’s a disgrace.
Renan makes it clear that race, language
interests, military necessity do not make a
nation - it is the common glories of the past
& the present consent to maintain them for
the future. A nation is a great solidarity
about suffering together & consenting to a
common life. It has nothing to do with race or
even merely shared language. Renan would
be horrified by the conservative Right's
atomized consumerism - which looks at
solidarity as abjection.
Brilliant discussion, thanks
Islam doesn’t integrate
The Barcelona agreement? The KalgerI Plan? Barbara Specter?
If you reject Christ, you are rejecting your Flag, your classical Architecture, your Heritage, your Family.. and you’ll lose your land.
Christianity isn't indigenous to England... it's a mythical tale from the desert nomads not even of the European continent... It was as foreign as these immigrants in its time...
@@darcylauren1934 Sad to here you say that. I believe in an all powerful God.
I found this really interesting and get the issue with integration and how multiculturalism prohibits integration but some people are asking if integration is ever possible
Multiculturalism is apartheid that fuels hatred and geared towards undermining homogeneous European societies. See Peter Sutherland, Ireland. American born Barbara Spectre in Sweden. Anetta Kahane in Germany, and the list can go on and on.
No it's not because you have different cultures and different beliefs each with their own way of life and no one wants someone else's culture and beliefs rammed down there throat's you can't force your will upon someone else who doesn't believe the same way as you do
So these are the creators of the new JaGuar logo?
Well, I tbought this would be a woke fest, full of delusional lies, lecturing and hypocrisy.
I was pleasantly surprised
Why leave your country when you want to impose yourself onto the host country.
The French, Spanish and Welsh will tell you how well Anglo's integrate.
Civic nationalism? I wish you well but I dont believe that will work.
He's right. We need to promote a majority culture nationally while being tolerant of minority cultures.
If you don't want to live as we live then why are you coming here?
I think that position is totally incoherent. There will always be one cultural group which is more evolutionarily adaptive than others. we can support classical liberal Englishness and soft Anglican moral assumptions all we want but the Muslims have more kids and have more ethnic solidarity. You cannot go on forever like that. Eventually there is a tipping point. Any majority which does not attempt to assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners won’t be a majority for long.
I disagree. Any majority which does not assert strength and a level of hostility toward foreigners will simply be replaced by a stronger group. You may not have noticed by liberal post Anglican boomer types don’t have many kids compared to the Islamic settlers
@@LS-xs7sg Agreed which is why language and cultural protection laws must be codified and enforced to promote the majority language and culture.
@@darcylauren1934seems to me you could only get to that point by having a nationalist government. And a nationalist political movement would have already provoked the kind of violent resistance that tends to produce a spiral of revolutionary conditions. So by that point the government could do whatever it wanted. My view is basically that a people is justified in doing whatever is necessary to secure a future for itself in its homeland so my views fall way out of the liberal mainstream and would probably see me convicted if I voiced them all openly
Excellent
it is not possible to integrate with a belief structure based on three books which insist on being the one and only political-religion-society Books which demands it has the right to extinguish all who are not adherents their system. It is not possible to have dialoge with these people.
Not many white faces in the Nigerian government
Great share and high time to confront the -isms that divide us
John has values that are not shared by the majority of people. For example, hard conservative ideas on gay marriage and abortion. The irish people voted by a large majority for abortion rights and gay marriage in referenda.
So the question is, should we deport people like John who dont share the values of the Irish people?
Maybe they'd be more at home in reactionary conservative states like Hungary, Russia etc.
I'm John, so are millions of Irish, I voted for gay marriage we were lied to, all the way by the left.
Is abortion a value?
Is prefering one body part over another body part a value?
Well said
Well said John