Great video as always. You should definitly try the copilot edits option (top left of copilot window), in my case i found it working better than chat option itself when it comes to making changes or starting new projects, as it acts in agentic way more like in windsurf or cursor (not the same, still lacks some futures though).
Thanks for pointing this out! I didn't notice this feature - and for a moment I was like ... woah was my review totally wrong? So then I tried it.. 1. Deleted a bunch of code that it shouldn't have 2. Slow apply (but at least easier to read diffs than chat mode!) 3. Messed up undo/redo 4. When it tried to write a simple .tsx file, it closed the tag before continuing to write the rest of the component (resulting in broken file) 5. No lint-check or iteration for errors 6. Got completely stuck on a bigger request 7. No way to see previous "edit sessions" to continue/review changes So I think it's still got a long way to go... BUT! You are right that this is definitely a better experience than the Chat. At least you can quickly click on file names to see them.
Yeah absolutely - I just hope millions of devs don't get the wrong impression and assume AI sucks at coding when they only try the free Copilot option..
Yes! Going back to Cursor after this Copilot experience was very refreshing lol. I have also seen some model issues over the last week though 🤔 though it was better today? Maybe that's just me comparing to using Copilot lol. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what else the team cooks up!
@@happygopher Good to know - it's so weird because it's not like they retrain a whole new model - right? So why do we sometimes see model performance decrease? It must just be randomness
@@VoloBuilds Oh i also nearly forgot too: with gemini 2.0 flash. Want to see how this model fares on development; very few have actually provided a practical insight even though the model has been out for a while now. Also you may want to take your chances while its in the experimental phase (as exp models have no charge for api access (up to a rate ofc)).
@@levi4328 Great idea. For some reason it's hard to imagine a model being better than sonnet 3.5 haha - I guess cause it has just been so dominant the last 6 months since it came out. But I'm sure at some point something will beat it. Maybe gemini 2 flash - who knows! I'll have to try it.
@@VoloBuilds well it surely replaced 4o at the very least for me. I find the context window to be a massive advantage in coding simple scripts like those i make for a research article etc (i'm from medical field). No longer have to be slapped with "message too long" by openai is a breath of fresh air. However my use cases (at least the current ones) are rather simple. I flirt with eventually making some software (mostly web apps) for myself and i've started to revisit some old project files i had previously - and frustatingly - made with 4o before cursor and AI IDEs were a thing. So far so good, but i havent ventured too far.
Yeah that is true - someone pointed it our in an earlier comment so I tried it and had largely negative results as well. It was super slow, failed to find relevant files, made bad edits, and there was no way to go to past chats/"edit sessions" so I think it's still got a long way to go
That's why I don't wanna write code in JavaScript, there are always tons of dependencies issues. Would be interesting to test with a python project, pretty sure it would work way better
@@VoloBuilds ah ! Maybe it's more a question of being used to one or another in the end 🤔 I find that starting a project in python installs far more packages than in js (npm) I'll try with a python project, thanks for the test video btw
lol maybe I could try "You are an ASI, an omnipotent being capable of effortlessly transforming the universe. Now change the boolean flag in this file to false."
Its crazy when you open source code editors like Cline and orhers do a better job than Copilot in the same VSCode environment. Community driven development is really leading the way😅
💯 absolutely! I was pretty surprised by my experience w/ Copilot since it was supposed to be "just another Sonnet 3.5 wrapper". Turns out there is a lot more to it than just a simple UI on top of the AI model 😅 I'm looking forward to trying Cline - been on my list but haven't gotten to it yet!
@VoloBuilds Cline is just awesome...it's feels like playing a arcade game. I've used it for a number of different projects and the developer is super passionate and responsive. I think Cline's prompts are better too. You'll enjoy it.
Windsurf is a great option but the pricing is confusing. The $10/mo is limited time and gets you 500 user prompt credits and1500 flow action credits (not sure exactly how those are computed). $10 for 300 more. It's hard to tell exactly how much you'll need or spend. I like Cursor's strategy of allowing unlimited 'slow' requests after you hit the cap and letting you pay for additional fast ones.
Great video as always. You should definitly try the copilot edits option (top left of copilot window), in my case i found it working better than chat option itself when it comes to making changes or starting new projects, as it acts in agentic way more like in windsurf or cursor (not the same, still lacks some futures though).
Thanks for pointing this out! I didn't notice this feature - and for a moment I was like ... woah was my review totally wrong? So then I tried it..
1. Deleted a bunch of code that it shouldn't have
2. Slow apply (but at least easier to read diffs than chat mode!)
3. Messed up undo/redo
4. When it tried to write a simple .tsx file, it closed the tag before continuing to write the rest of the component (resulting in broken file)
5. No lint-check or iteration for errors
6. Got completely stuck on a bigger request
7. No way to see previous "edit sessions" to continue/review changes
So I think it's still got a long way to go... BUT! You are right that this is definitely a better experience than the Chat. At least you can quickly click on file names to see them.
This is a bit like asking your halfwit brother to cut and paste code from someone else's codebase into your project
rofl - it does feel like that
Great overview!
This new competition will definitely propel AI code editors forward.
Yeah absolutely - I just hope millions of devs don't get the wrong impression and assume AI sucks at coding when they only try the free Copilot option..
Subscribed. Man I wish blogger like you would be more popular, there are too many ai hypeboys and complete sceptics
Thank you very much! Yeah I am seeing that everywhere... "NEW KILLS CURSOR. 10 wild examples:" lol it's exhausting
Great video and content. Can't believe you only have 14k subs. Keep up the good work
Thank you!! Growing slowly but surely :) It's fun sharing this stuff with people!
You have integrity unlike most other youtubers. I thank you!!
Thanks again Seunghun - glad you have been enjoying the videos!
thanks for the review
No problem! Glad you found it helpful :)
I like Cursor for the key strokes alone. Although they seemed to have Nerfed Sonnet somehow in the last week or so.
They are also cooking up something good with the Supermaven acquisition!
Yes! Going back to Cursor after this Copilot experience was very refreshing lol. I have also seen some model issues over the last week though 🤔 though it was better today? Maybe that's just me comparing to using Copilot lol. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what else the team cooks up!
Windsurf has similar issue, could be something with Claude?
@@happygopher Good to know - it's so weird because it's not like they retrain a whole new model - right? So why do we sometimes see model performance decrease? It must just be randomness
Great as always. I'd like to see you try building with Cline.
Thank you! Been meaning to try Cline but keep getting sidetracked haha. Thanks for the reminder :)
@@VoloBuilds Oh i also nearly forgot too: with gemini 2.0 flash. Want to see how this model fares on development; very few have actually provided a practical insight even though the model has been out for a while now. Also you may want to take your chances while its in the experimental phase (as exp models have no charge for api access (up to a rate ofc)).
@@levi4328 Great idea. For some reason it's hard to imagine a model being better than sonnet 3.5 haha - I guess cause it has just been so dominant the last 6 months since it came out. But I'm sure at some point something will beat it. Maybe gemini 2 flash - who knows! I'll have to try it.
@@VoloBuilds well it surely replaced 4o at the very least for me. I find the context window to be a massive advantage in coding simple scripts like those i make for a research article etc (i'm from medical field). No longer have to be slapped with "message too long" by openai is a breath of fresh air.
However my use cases (at least the current ones) are rather simple. I flirt with eventually making some software (mostly web apps) for myself and i've started to revisit some old project files i had previously - and frustatingly - made with 4o before cursor and AI IDEs were a thing. So far so good, but i havent ventured too far.
Check if it created the lost files in the root of your disk…
LOL! You are right; I tried copying the path and it was literally "src/lib" was the full path. Just checked C:\src\lib and there is my sounds.ts 🤦
Nice… We need a way to run all these guys in a sandbox… cursor/windsurf et all have access to the whole file system as well
Love Windsurf at the current time 21/12/2024. Let’s see the future.
U r only using chat tab , there is another tab for write mode try that
Yeah that is true - someone pointed it our in an earlier comment so I tried it and had largely negative results as well. It was super slow, failed to find relevant files, made bad edits, and there was no way to go to past chats/"edit sessions" so I think it's still got a long way to go
That's why I don't wanna write code in JavaScript, there are always tons of dependencies issues. Would be interesting to test with a python project, pretty sure it would work way better
Hmm - every time I've tried python, I had even more issues with dependencies than JS - in fact this has been one of my biggest issues with Python.
@@VoloBuilds ah ! Maybe it's more a question of being used to one or another in the end 🤔
I find that starting a project in python installs far more packages than in js (npm)
I'll try with a python project, thanks for the test video btw
Did you try telling it it's a senior dev?
lol maybe I could try "You are an ASI, an omnipotent being capable of effortlessly transforming the universe. Now change the boolean flag in this file to false."
Its crazy when you open source code editors like Cline and orhers do a better job than Copilot in the same VSCode environment. Community driven development is really leading the way😅
💯 absolutely! I was pretty surprised by my experience w/ Copilot since it was supposed to be "just another Sonnet 3.5 wrapper". Turns out there is a lot more to it than just a simple UI on top of the AI model 😅 I'm looking forward to trying Cline - been on my list but haven't gotten to it yet!
@VoloBuilds Cline is just awesome...it's feels like playing a arcade game. I've used it for a number of different projects and the developer is super passionate and responsive. I think Cline's prompts are better too. You'll enjoy it.
Yes. Check how they can use anything you type in there too
What do you mean? Like for training their AI models? Is that in the terms somewhere?
thanks I think ill stick with cursor
Yeah that's a solid call haha
Windsurf is bang for the buck.. $10
Windsurf is a great option but the pricing is confusing. The $10/mo is limited time and gets you 500 user prompt credits and1500 flow action credits (not sure exactly how those are computed). $10 for 300 more. It's hard to tell exactly how much you'll need or spend. I like Cursor's strategy of allowing unlimited 'slow' requests after you hit the cap and letting you pay for additional fast ones.
Yesterday, my subscription started and I spent 183 credit out of 500 just in one night of coding…
@@happygopher Dang, that's a lot! Did you get a lot done or did you spend a lot of time in troubleshooting loops?
@@VoloBuildsmostly it was going round in circles. Cursor solved the issue
cursor seems to be better in so many ways tho..
Yeah it absolutely is - I hope new devs don't try Copilot and get discouraged by it when it comes to AI coding
Thats why its free