The Pomaks of Thrace (Greece-Turkey-Bulgaria)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Imagine a people who have lived here for more than 3,000 years. A people whose past all historians would trace with almost scientific certainty. A people wishing to live in peace.
But recent history, religion and politics have decided otherwise. Indeed, for centuries, the north-east of present-day Greece has been the scene of endless conflicts between the capitals of empires eager for expansion and supremacy.
Director: Despina PANTAZIS
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Това видео е абсолютно невярно. "Помак" е дума, която означава " потурчен" българин. Внушението, че това е отделена етническа група е заплатено от чужди правителства, които имат интерес да създадат етнически проблем в България и Гърция. Тази каша от информация е абсолютно невярна и злонамерена. Всички потурчени, т. е. насила ислямизирани села, имат запазени своите предишни български и гръцки имена. Не съществува език на помаците. Те говорят само своите родни езици - гръцки и български, а Турция се опитва да заграби територии. Създаването на изкуствени нации е стара западна практика. Но такава етническа група никога не е съществувала. Не използвайте невежествотопна западната публика. Помаците, специално в България, са принуждавани, с масови кланета на цели села, да приемат исляма и тези кланета над това, чисто българско, население, са документирани, от българите, но и от турската тогавашна власт. Спрете да разпространявате лъжи и се справяйте с исляма в собствените си страни, а ако желаете, ппеподавайте във Франция на турски и арабски език. И как така наричате България и Гърция Тракия. Държава Тракия не е съществувала, това е Обединено название на над 120 племена на траките, всяко със свои царе, столица и отделно име. Те не съществуват като етническа общност от над 1700 години. Поредното френско безсрамие.
Това е абсолютно несериозно и предубеден опит за направа на някакъв филм....пародия! Гротеската!
Пълна подигравка с хората и с реалността.
Да не говорим за исторически факти,аргументи и т.н.
Είναι ελληνική φυλή της Θράκης η οποία Θράκη σαν έδαφος βρίσκεται στα βόρεια μέσα στη Βουλγαρία και ανατολικά μέσα στην Τουρκία κάποτε ανήκαν εξ ολοκλήρου στους Έλληνες εδώ και 10 χιλιάδες χρόνια αυτό το αρχαίο ελληνικό φύλο δεν ανήκει πουθενά αλλού πάρα μόνο στην Ελλάδα η γλώσσα στα άλλα μέρη χάθηκε λόγο κατακτητών ξένων σε αύρα τα μέρη
Pomaklar, Bulgar kökenli insanlar, Osmanlı zamanında zorunlu müslüman yapılmışlardır,boş yorumlar görüyorum burda..
Greek government has abandoned all the Greek people not only pomaks.
C est EXACT MERCIE
Pomaks are not Greek, don't be ridiculous.
@@TUNC66 μην είσαι ηλιθιος. Ανήκουν στην ελλ επικράτεια, έχουν ελλ ταυτότητες. Μήπως είσαι το Τουρκία προξενείο;
@TUNC66
Pomaks are indigenous Thacian populations known from Alexander the Great time. in fact, Greek historians mention their association with Alexander.
There has nothing to do with Turks!
Original Turks are from Mongolia.
Speaking Turkish does not make one Turk !!
In fact, most of the people in Thrace who speak Turkish are islamofied Balkan people!!!
@@pantheon56
You did not understand my comment at all, first of all, I never used the word Turk for Pomaks, Pomaks are not Turks, but they are not Greeks at all.And let me tell you, there are many Pomaks in Turkey and Pomaks are Muslims, most of them speak Turkish, and this is enough for us, you Greeks, do not take credit for yourself from the Pomaks, you will be disappointed.
Which are the 3 religions?
Peace and love ☪️
οι Πομάκοι είναι Έλληνες
Ce sont des turcs arrêtez d’inventer des histoires
Greece has them under pressure? See if the pomacs can live this life in turkey or bulgaria.
Çam genocide
Pomaklar, saf Bulgar kökenli insanlardır. Osmanlı zamanında, zorunlu müslümanlaştırılmıştır.
Their language is Pomak, yet they're taught Turkish, Greek and Arabic. they should be taught Greek and Pomak.
The European Union destroyed tobacco production in Bulgaria and now the Pomacs no longer produce tobacco, the Pomacs became emigrants in Europe, they now work in Germany, England and France
the footage is from 40 years ago, now the reality there is different , the Pomacs became emigrants in Europe, they now work in Germany, England and France
This is what westerners practise - divide & destroy local cultures and ethnic identities and get the bright, beautiful and brainy to work for them .
27 years ago.
Това са чисти българи и гърци, насила потурчени преди 2 века от османската империя. Спрете с френските глупости.
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 greeks are habitual Liars .
it's not 40 years ago, but 27!
Really disgusting politics of all Europe. These people have the traditions, the songs, the language and the history of all Bulgarian people.They speak a beautiful Bulgarian dialect, they sing the same traditional songs of all Bulgarians and traditions and we share the same history except that they are Muslims. Don't invent false history for these people. God sees your doings!
No Pomaks are not Bulgarians.
@@TRBs20_ Prove me wrong? They speak Bulgarian language, they have the same traditions, they sing the same songs and play the same traditional dances as their orthodox brothers in Bulgaria yet they are Muslims, who are they then? Do you think that being a Muslim changes their nationality? First you are offending all Muslims then you are offending all Bulgarians? Why they can be everything else except Bulgarians, you are denying fundamental rights of people living in European Community that's to recognise their nationality? Why?
@@simeonsimeonov5205 they have similar language with Bulgarians yes, due to the forced bulgarisation on Pomaks during the first and second Bulgarian empire. Pomaks have suffered a lot because of Bulgarians and they know that and will say that to u if u tell him « Bulgarians Muslims ». A long time ago when u would say to a Pomak « bugar » it was considered as an insult. Moreover Pomak culture is one of the unique in the world with some Turkish Persians and European pagan influences. DNA prove it too.
@@simeonsimeonov5205 u are the one who offend the entire Pomak community with deny Pomak history and identity by calling them Bulgarian. I know about what im talking about. No need a strange guy or girl to talk about Pomaks the better would be to stay away from what u don’t know. Selam alejkum.
@@TRBs20_ Ha ha ha, during the 500 years of Ottoman rule and presence on the Balkans, where have you been man? I tell you man nowhere because you never existed as a separate ethnic group. Also the Ottomans were bad guys, ha ha ha? Why you didn't figure in any official document of the Ottoman empire or in the historical documents of western historiography? During this period of the Ottoman rule there was not the Bad Bulgarian empire to hide you isn't it, so your so called identity and history was invented later! Everyone knows that, who are trying to deceive? Also the Bulgarian traditions were forced on you, also the traditional Bulgarian music was forced on you, everything was forced on you and since 1398 you never manage to liberate you from the bad Bulgarian habits? Finally, you are anonymous person and is clear to everyonethat you lie or not? Show me your original historical documents to prove your point, man? Cheers
Greetings to the Pomaks of HELLAS
And to all other Pomaks
Hell ass. You are not people of Balkans but Kayseri Kappadocia, Trabzon etc.
Поздрави брате , баба ми беше изгонена от Южна Тракия, не сме забравили !
@@123skillax unutsan ne yazar unutmasan ne yazar. Alt tarafı Bulgarsın. Etkin yok gücün yok. Rus destegi ile aldıgınız toprakta tutunamazsınız.
Pomacs live only on the Thrace mountains.
If they don't live there they come from there.
Thrace is a Greek word for thousands years now,
as the name of these mountains, Rodopi.
De quand date ce reportage ? Presque 30 ans (1997 !) On aimerait savoir comment à évolué leur situation aujourd'hui, en 2024.
Si tu me permets. Je peux te donner un bref résumé des 27 dernières années. Le gouvernement grec avait initié un program clandestin d'assimiler les Pomaks, surtout les jeunes femmes, à la culture grecque pour qu'elle puisse s'éloigner des griffes des Imams et du gouvernement turc (voir le Traité de Lausanne). Donc, le gouvernement grec a subventionné ces jeunes madames pomak en les emmener étudier à Athenes pourqu'elle puisse s'accomoder à la cultures de l'ouest et de s'évader des menottes musulmanes. Je croix que la mission a réussi car j'avais revisité ces régions en 2015 avec ma famille québecoise depuis mon service militaire en 1988 et j'étais étonné comment la culture a changée. Les jeunes femmes ne sont plus voilées (sauf quelques exceptions), les pomaks ont leur propres emissions radiophoniques, il me semble qu'ils sont plus libres sans être acharnés par les leader musulmans d'origine turc. Est-ce qu'il y a encore de l'amélioration à faire, c'est certain; cependant, l'assimiliation dans la culture grecque est prévalante malgré à ce que des réseaux de propagandes provenant d'Istanbul, comme TRT World disent.
Here is the most important part. 13:58. "Here the mother tongue is pomak". In other words bulgarian. They are trying to convert these people even though they already mixed up with the muslim conversion during the middle ages. "Pomak" in bulgarian means a confused person.
They are trying to turn Europeans into middle easterners
God bless Pomaks🙏
I'm guessing there will be a few very smart kids that absolutely can learn the challenging curriculum. There are a lot of Europeans that can handle three or four languages just fine.
@@gabrielfox5017 useless curriculum with useless languages
There are christian and muslim bulgarians in greece. The pomaks are the muslim bulgarians.
Greetings to our fellow Greek Pomaks
Not Greece, never.
Not really Greek but Bulgarians. Macedonia & Thracia ones were Bulgarian!
ΧΑΝΘΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΙΝΙΚΗ. ΟΙ ΠΟΜΑΚΟΙ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΙΝΕΣ ΜΟΥΣΟΥΛΜΆΝΟΙ.
@@udififkfkfckthese bullshit you are learning in Bulgaria? Macedonia is Greece.
And there is not any Greek Muslim. Greeks are not Muslims.
Greece is a project vassal state whose people formed later on according to Greek Project from Rums of mid and east Türkiye. Natives like Slavs, Macedonians, Vlahs, Arvanites, Albans all are victims of this project. in 1930 no1 was speaking any Rum language. Ask Prince Otto of Bavaria.
What language do they speak, it did sound as Slavic!? North Macedonia's 30% of population are Pomaks, not assimilated, while genetically they much more! They are the first to accept Islam!
Their native language is Bulgarian.
Bulgarian slavic language. It's balkan. Religion is very connected with nationality. Bulgarian, serbs and greeks are orthodox christians. That's why this people can't be pure bulgarians. But they can't be turks because language. So they stuck somewhere in between. And they are not isolated case in balkan. In Macedonia live people who call them selfs goranci. They speak slavic lenguage but they are muslims like albanians.
They speack Greeks. But some Pomak may speak Slavic. Et least music is more Slavic when they play begpipe or gajde but if they play tamburas struna playing instrument, they are Greeks.
They are the Slavs who like Bosnians accepted islam but there is a twist they used to be Bogomils too!
@@zeljkomikulicic4378this is true. We have goranci in Kosovo as well.
Beautiful and clean people
είχα δουλέψει με πολλούς σε Ελληνικά πλοία, παραδοσιακοί και φιλότιμοι
Do you know the meaning of the word - Pomak. This is a word from the Bulgarian language - pomachen or "pomuchen", pomachen - a person who forcibly becomes someone else. All waves of forced Islamization in the Rhodopes are documented and available in the Ottoman archives. The population is mostly of Bulgarian origin, but there are of course Greeks and Serbs in ader part of Bolkans. A large part of these people have relatives who are still Christians in Bulgaria. I am a Bulgarian Christian and I have Greek roots from Thrace and Constantinople. There is no nationality - pomak, no language - pomak, this is a not tru.
A Very Sick Situation !!! A Nomad Status should be given to these people , and let them decided there Language and faith !!!
Their native language is Bulgarian.
They know, which ethnic group they belong to. Their language clearly shows it 😉
Btw, did you know there are pomak people not just in this region....and guess which language they speak although they are hundreds of kilometres away from the Rhodopi mountains and Trace...
Greetings from Bulgaria
People should educate themselves 😊
they decided already by staying in Greece. They are Greek citizens having all opportunities that any Greek has.
That's what you decide for us to believe!!! This a very sick situation!!! But keep in mind God is recording all of it around the world for his judgment!!!
Turkey and Greece are doing everything possible to assimilate those people- and we all know they are bulgarians. All historical records clearly show they are bulgarians. What Greece and Turkey want to repeat the macedonian experiment.
Amazing documentary video pomak traditional dress look so beautiful respect to pomak muslim community
24.3.2024 In Etnos newspaper, Nikos Gianidis says, "Our identity is taken out of the garbage dump of history." In that garbage dump of history, there are also Hittites, etc. There is no one who denies ancient Greece. However, in his book in 1834, Jacob Philipp Fallmerayer also says that these so-called Greeks have nothing to do with ancient Greece and are a Slavic state. Dr. Georgios Nakracas also says the same thing. Now Edi Rama and Macedonia are saying it openly... It is not possible to keep Greece alive with the Greeks remaining in history. Bulgarians are the first Turks to become Muslims. Pomaks and Çıtaks were Turks. 500 since There were Avar, Pecheneg, Bulgarian, Cuman-Kipchak and Uz Turks in the Balkans, Central Europe and Anatolia. Since there was no Islam, they became Orthodox.
@@yakupkeser248Read about Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer's political convictions eg. his fear of Russian expansion,etc. because without reading up the politics of the time you will never know why he wrote the propaganda that he wrote.RememberCapo de Istria's death was no accident,either,as he had great connections with Russia,of course, that's why the Brits still won't open their secret files about who REALLY murdered him! Remember the the various lodges at the time (especially German,French and British) had important conflicting political interests.
@@yakupkeser248 bulgarians are not turks. Wtf are you smoking dude
@@yakupkeser248 you are confusing volga bulgars with Danubian bulgarians
@@zarni000 I am not confusing them. One of them continued walking, the other did not continue and stayed there. There were also those who came to Anatolia via the Caucasus.
Това видео е абсолютно невярно. "Помак" е дума, която означава " потурчен" българин.
👏👍. Точно така..
Pomaks are Bulgarians with Muslim religion!
Fascinating documentary - very interesting & informative. About a lovely people.
It doesn't reflect the objective truth. Do not be fooled!
Their only right is to remain silence? wtf is this nonsense? I'm pomaks women and cant talk when ever i want where ever i want except while chewing food. This is so funny!
I had never heard of this ethnic group but it's interesting to learn. Fahri is a nice looking man..I hope he finds a teaching job.
That's very old footage, from 30-40 years ago. Much has changed, most Pomaks emmigrate to Germany to work or study in uni, some in Greece and some in Turkey.
Greetings to our fellow Greek citizens of Muslim faith. Greece has three distinct indigenous Muslim ethnic groups. The largest is the “Turkish background” Muslims which make up approximately 57% of all indigenous Greek Muslims. Next are the Pomaks which make up approximately 33% of indigenous Greek Muslims. The third, final and smallest group of Greek Muslims are Roma who have adopted Islam. (Northern. Greek Roma. Southern Greek Roma tend to be Greek Orthodox.) And make up the remaining 10%. Those are the three indigenous Greek Muslim groups in Greece that make up the “Greek Muslim community.” (These groups are indigenous Greek citizens. And don’t include Muslim migrants from Albania and the Middle East of which there are many in Greece.)
You are a Rum (false Greek) you are an outsider to GR as an immigrant from mid and east Türkiye. if you are not a Rum you are a native arvanite slav macedon vlah etc whose identity and language is denied.
You are leg, your giving confort to head not accepted. Pomaks and Turks are natives of that land and they dont need the suffix Greek.
"Migrant" you poor deluded Greek nationalist. The Albanians are an indigenous group in Greece which Greece had genocided for years starting from Arta all the way to Athens. There many local ethnic Albanians in Greece such as Çams, Arvanites and Sulis.
creful, Pomaks are NOT indigenous Greeks in origen, they have Slav roots from Bulgaria. living in Greece.
By indigenous I meant not imported recently. Pomaks have lived in Thrace for centuries as Thrace has changed borders between Greece, Bulgaria, and the Ottoman Empire. But the Pomaks have always existed on both sides of the borders of Greece and Bulgaria. Although Bulgaria previously had more Pomaks than Greece. Don’t know now since many left Bulgaria for Turkey in the 90’s.
@@LIFESTDNT Rums (false Greek) are imported people .They are outsiders. Present statusquo is not sustainable.
Στο στρατο ειχα γνωρισει αρκετα παιδια πομακους.. ηταν πολυ καλοι ανθρωποι ευγενικοι και με ελληνικη συνειδηση... θυμαμαι πολυ καλα το 1997 στα συνορα με Σκοπια σε φυλακιο προκαλυψης στρατιωτικο ο ενας ζωγραφισε απο μονος του σε βραχο ακριβως στα συνορα εναν τεραστιο ηλιο της βεργινας και απο κατω Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ.
Makedonya, Bulgaristan'ındır. Makedonlar ve Pomaklar Bulgar kökenlidir bitti, gerisi boş..
@@nermigunes2566 North Macedonia, sure. The region of Macedonia, which is in Greece and has been since antiquity, no.
The narrator's take on this whole situation is awfully slanted and pessimistic. It would be nice if he could have presented things in a more neutral tone, attempting to understand the points of view of all the groups involved and focusing more on the natural strengths of the people. He really drives home his conviction that the Pomaks are helpless victims and everyone around them are just heartless oppressors. Are things ever as simple as that sort of caricature?
This whole thing...the so called film...is a total nonsense.
Don't even mind it! 😅
The way the presenter speak about the women is like they are in prison, seriously to hell with the presenter .
Indeed very biased and an asshole
You can tell a mile away that they are submissive. You can tell all you want: our eyes are there and our ears are there.
This movie is full of errors (when and how this region become part of Greece, the so called christianization and Bulgarization of the Pomaks in 13th century, tobacco admired by Byzantines - really!?). As the villains in this movie are presented the communist Bulgarians and the muslim Turks, while the good Greeks only forbid the use of Pomak's language in public and in schools and did nothing to improve the quality of life for these people in over 80 years of rule over their lands (at the time when this was filmed). I'm shocked that in 50 minutes not a single word or song in Pomaks language was presented in this "documentary".
The second French film I watch about pomaks. In the previous one there was a girl who sang a song in the "incomprehensible" Pomak language according to the journalist - pure archaic Bulgarian language.
This is not even a film....a made up story with 0 knowledge of history, 0 respect for culture and ethical belonging....Full of assumptions and a total nonsense
What year is this documentary from? Looks like the 90’s.
1997
Помаци ,,Pomaci” is a not separate nation or another Bulgarian tribe. this is a word / synonym for "Bulgarians with Turkish heads/ self-awareness/ Turcophiles/ or Muslim Bulgarians." For example, there are other Bulgarian words for people who have changed their native consciousness: Влахи/ Власи "Vlachs/ Walachi” = Bulgarians with Roman heads/ Rimophiles. Сърби "Surbi" = Bulgarians with Russian heads/ Russophiles.
Vlachs is not a Bulgarian word. Wlochy in Polish means Italy. Vlachs were named by the Germanic tribes and meant wanderer of Roman origin. Vlachs means now " Romanian" outside Romania
@almeu433
Both of you are wrong. Vlahs actually Aromany, are by genetic origin Greeks from South Italy or Anatholia who were implanted around Balkan after Greeks joined Roman Emrire.
@@ashlyirvyn2917
This is fake Greek malakia/ propaganda.
Vlachs adopted Greek words but their base language is Latin..
@@almeu433language Italian dialect or romaians
@@almeu433dialect romaians but bloody nobody now
Wonderful people with rich culture greetings.
Най много помаци има в БЪЛГАРИЯ
Pomaklar, saf Bulgar kökenli insanlardır.. Osmanlı zamanında zorunlu müslüman yapılmışlardır..
Помаците са БЪЛГАРИ❤❤❤
Tohcno taka.. 👍👏.🇧🇬.
These are Muslims Slavic people who were persecuted and separated by the Christian Bulgarian. They are ethnically slavic same as any Balkans and Bulgarian but because they accepted Islam the other Slave did not accepted them to be one of them. They have no relations to any Turkic ethnic at all. They are pure Slavic just like Bosnian Muslim.
Don't talk nonsense!
There's no Bulgarian that separates Pomaks for any reason. We are both same people with the same language, but different religion.
Donc si je comprends bien : les femmmes Pomaks n'ont qu'un seul droit, "celui de se taire" mais elles peuvent s'exprimer devant la camera d'un journaliste. Drôle de façon de se taire !!!
Excellent reportage. Tristesse ! 😢😢😢🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Lol c’est pas des grecs
@@salih3716 Despina PANTAZIS is the director
@@salih3716 Non! Ce sont des Pomaks. Un peuple de nationalité grecque, carte d'identité et passeport Grecs. Ils ont tourné le dos à Erdogan en se disant Grecs. 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
the footage is from 40 years ago, now the reality there is different. Pomacs became emigrants in Europe, they now work in Germany, England and France
@@kloiko7917 I know. That's why I Say it is a pity .😢🇬🇷
Is the bias in the tone of the narrator a joke?!
Laws attempting to make certain languages illegal should never exist, should never be implemented.
The first 5 min were enough - lies.
I couldn't even make it to the third minute!!!!! Unbelievable! I was shocked by the incompetency..... My jaw dropped down the floor 😄🤷♂️😳
#7:37 i never knew George Bush was a pomak..
Sana, bilmediğin birşey daha söyleyeceğim .. Atatürk bile Pomak kökenli birisiydi..
39:38 Tabak was brough to Europa from the Americas after its maritime discovery, so the Egypcians and the Bysantines could had not had known Tabacco noch could the area produce it. Funy times, when people would believe whatever was said in the television.....
Great information and great education
The ,,film" doesn't reflect the objective truth. Do not get fooled!
If you are interested and want to know anything about the pomaks do your own research. There's plenty and all backed up with solid evidences.
Greetings from Bulgaria
It’s too clear they are. Albanian
They just said they are forced to lern three languages
Είπα και εγώ δεν θα πεταχτεί κανένας Αλβανός να πει τη μαλ@κια του.
Pomaks are a Slavic people, closely related to the bulgarians and the hellenized thracians of Thrace, nothing to do with the Albanians. Stop albanizing everything you see.
those all are bulgarians,forcefuly made muslims,what you speak.Pomak come,from bulgarian word помъчени,pomucheni,what you speack.Old Bulgarian Folk songs,from Rhodophe mountain not lie,as so called historians,mate.Tell the truth,my stara baba and baba died 100 years old,RIP,from Arda,uneducated,those are their relatives,just other religion two centuries before..Is not good to divide peoples,not many bulgarians left,religion dous not matter,we lose two other Bulgaria countries,this is last,oldest never change name country,wich give alfabet,literacy and old-church slavonic is old bulgarian,to many europian slavic nations.Say the truth please.Healt and happynes
Cotton candy says it all. We are priviledged to have this history fom the time of Alexander the great. All history and all people are to be respected . Let us build and not break down. The world needs the right educated people in the right place but above all God's love and patience 💗
the Pomaks were and are the ancient Thracians and they continue to live in the area where they lived then. They have nothing to do with the Mongolian origin of the Turks... it's just that the Turks have found a dirty and cunning way to christen those peoples they had subjugated as Turks ottoman empire you know why.......
The pomaks are Bulgarians who converted to Islam.
what are you and you say it with such certainty??? with what quality??? are you a geneticist??? I have a friend who says what I said...@@dimitrifaillard9972
Bulgarian is one medivial race from Central asia they came in Balkan in medivial and in one period start to talk slavic language.
Pomaks are Bulgarians with Islam religion
The language spoken clearly shows their ethnicity 😊😉
Η πιο όμορφη ελληνική φυλή
They are not greeks
Yunanlılara göre, Makedonlarda, Pomaklarda, Yunan.. Bazı gerçekler var bu dünyada, öyle her istediğin olmuyor..Makedonlarda, Pomaklarda, saf Bulgar kökenli insanlar..
Okay guys lets have a clear discussion he tried to make women look suppressed now let me make a few things very clear those women are not interested in getting filmed that's their modesty but he is trying to take their privacy away. Start from ( 3:50) and you will see women are changing their direction after realizing that they are getting filmed.
we the romanians know that the pomaks are islamized bulgars.
Good for you, you are smart 😄
They are not only Bulgarians or Macedonians, they are themselves Slavic, going by the name Pomak. They used to be Bogomilians too.
@miralemmehanovic5999 Why do you comment something you know nothing about?
@@ЕлицаЕнева-ж3о I tell you what the Pomak brothers told me! Not you!
Exactly pomaks are Bulgarians with Islam religion
Whenever the locals speak about one thing the narrator's translation is not even remotely close to what's been said. This is a propaganda! It's absolute sh!t.
Its refreshing to see so many natural beauties no fake bleach blonde hair and over done make up
Best wishes to Pomaks from Pakistan.
A very negative presentation. anti Turkish propaganda.
It's not clear what is the Ahrene's third religion. The narrator mentions three religions of the population several times. Is it Paganism or Heretical Christianity?
The narrator doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.
The whole film is a made up story. It doesn't reflect the objective truth.
Just don't mind it and don't get fooled, please!
Merci pour le documentaire. Und sujet très interessant.
Merci à vous !
But it doesn't reflect the objective truth unfortunately.
Lies are included in this video so I would suggest you to do your own research.
Ils sont carrément abusés , à visage découvert et sans gêne par les grecs ou qui que ce soit
Pomaks are Muslim Bulgarians!
Aynen öyle.. 🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬.
Very informative video thanks
It doesn't reflect the objective truth. Do not get fooled!
La maman qui sert tout le monde avant de se servir elle-même, on connaît ça, cela n'a été qu'un temps ... trop long
Des quotas sur le tabac imposés par l'UE ... tonnerre de tonnerre
Turky a...tourkales.haw.they..fill..ta.forematatatous..ragiades..for.ever
Maybe they could plant trees
Maudite enfer noire .... lâchez pas les amis
Love to my Muslim brothers and sisters in Thrace. Salam from Austria, Europa.
Türkçe dublajda olsaydı keşke 😢 güzel bir videoya benziyo ❤❤
12:15 greek flag
Thanks
Summary of the Video on the Pomak People
The video provides an in-depth look at the Pomak people, an ethnic group living in the mountainous region of Thrace, Greece. It explores their struggles, cultural identity, and the socio-political challenges they face due to their unique position between three countries: Greece, Bulgaria, and Turkey.
Harsh Living Conditions
- The landscape is described as rugged and harsh, with winter conditions making farming difficult.
- Pomak men, women, and horses work tirelessly on the land, hoping to produce enough to survive the winter.
- The Pomaks are depicted as living under the pressure of three different nations, languages, and religions.
Cultural Identity and Education
- The Pomak children learn in three different languages but struggle to gain a solid education. Despite attending school, their learning is compromised due to the complexity of the situation.
- Women are shown to be largely voiceless and face significant societal constraints, while also expressing a desire for change.
Historical Context
- The video explains the complicated history of the Pomaks, who are descendants of the Agrianes and have lived in the region long before modern borders were established.
- Historical invasions and occupations by Bulgarians, Ottomans, and Greeks have shaped their current predicament.
- After World War II, many Pomaks sought attachment to Greece to escape communism, but they remain a minority and face neglect from the Greek government.
Struggles for Survival
- The Pomaks primarily cultivate tobacco, which is their main source of income. However, government quotas limit their production and income.
- The video highlights the physical difficulties of farming in steep terrains and poor weather conditions, exacerbated by a lack of governmental support.
- There is a sense of despair among Pomak farmers as they deal with an insufficient economy and loss of traditional ways of life.
Cultural Blending and Identity Crisis
- The Pomaks navigate a complex cultural landscape where Turkish and Greek influences dominate.
- Many young Pomaks feel torn between their traditional identity and modern pressures to assimilate into broader Greek or Turkish society.
- Despite attempts to retain their language and customs, the video illustrates the existential threat to Pomak culture posed by external pressures.
Conclusion
- The video concludes with a poignant reflection on the future of the Pomaks, who are caught between preserving their identity and adapting to external influences.
- The ongoing struggle for survival amidst political and economic challenges paints a bleak picture, yet the pride in their heritage remains strong among the Pomak community.
This summary encapsulates the key themes and messages presented in the video about the Pomak people, illustrating their resilience in the face of adversity while grappling with issues of identity and survival.
Das ist ein gutes Beispiel dass verschieden Kulturen (drei )zusammenleben können Hoffentlich bleibt das noch lange !!
these people have to learn to do things that work for them rather THAN OLD TRADITIONS WHICH DO NOT WORK FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. they may need to modernised themselves
Je t'aime beaucoup mais la je doit dormir ❤
Soo interested video ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The ,,film" doesn't reflect the objective truth. Do not get fooled!
България е нация, която все още успява да живее
Thats why they never change,why they learn turkish if they live in Greece, how they can be successfully if they want to stay a live in Greece when they don't know greek, or to be in university in greece
Because they are Pomaks, not Greeks
@@TUNC66but also they are not turks.
@@zeljkomikulicic4378
I didn't say Turkish anyway, but most of them know Turkish and are Muslims, that's enough for us.
@@TUNC66 they are slavic people. Not greeks not turks.
@@zeljkomikulicic4378
They are Bulgarians
Turkish propaganda claims they are Turks😂😂
The translation of the narrators, is totally different to what the characters in the video are saying. This video is projecting a false narrative...... Shame!
If only you had explained what the word Pomak means and where it comes from, then the viewers would have the exact idea of what it is about, and not with your cheap propaganda to deceive the people who watch this staged play
So true
If they call themselves greek then they are greek They know they're on history
All of Greece is Albanian and Turkish.
Do they call themselves Greeks?!? 😂🤔😄
@@southepirote7676χαχαχα είσαι ανόητος οι Έλληνες είναι σε αυτά τα μέρη χιλιάδες χρόνια Αλβανοί και Τούρκοι πριν 2 χιλιάδες χρόνια δεν υπήρχαν ούτε ως δείγμα οι Έλληνες ήταν είναι και ονομάζονται έτσι 10 χιλιάδες χρόνια
@southepirote7676 You can say whatever you want about your deluded views on albanian authocthony, but... turks??? Really??? Turks do not deserve any land they currently have or once had, they are immigrants from Central Asia. Puh-lease...
They are not thracians. You should inform better
They are indigenous people for millenia and descendants of ancient thracian tribes
Fantastic Doc!!!!👍🏻
Do not get fooled! The so called film doesn't reflect the objective truth!
Elles n'ont que le droit de se taire, et encore on peut le leur enlever ... ^^
Les Pomaks ne sont pas Turc , ce sont comme des roumain qui sont intégrer dans chaque pays a chaque religions , pomaklar Turklukle Alakasi bile yoktur
Aynen öyle. Doğru, Pomaklar . Bulgar kökenli insanlardır, tüm Balkanlara dağilmıslar maalesef....
C'est impensable tout de même d'être embarrassé par sa propre identité
Grow cannabis
On peut ne plus avoir l'âge de se marier... encore une autre affaire
Black humor bro
What’s the music playing when they are harvesting the tobacco, about 12 mins from the end.
Shazam
@@Deniz-l5d is that the tune or the artist
@@user-kq5qp6dh8l App
Vous racontez n'importe quoi
Que ce serait bien de pouvoir faire quelque chose pour eux
Khong Jao kuon Hao rang KAP sien ri Lao jai
Au contraire ces enfants seront trilingues ce qui n’est pas donné à tout le monde
Tu ne sais pas toute l'énergie et capacité intellectuelle qu'il faut pour être trilingue, tu as bien entendu le professeur, c'est trop dur pour eux et ils confondent les lettres des trois langues entres elles, surtout qu'à la maison on leur parle une quatrième langue ! Ce qui rajoute encore plus de difficultés.
@@orxrus666avant mes 16 ans j’étais déjà trilingue. Turc et français à la naissance et l’anglais avec l’école. Et tout ça d’une facilité incroyable. Mais il a raison c’est pas donné à tout le monde d’après ce que je vois dans mon entourage.
@@orxrus666je pense qu’un enfant peut apprendre au moins 4 langues avant ses 16 ans
@@orxrus666Η Πομακική γλώσσα είναι προφορική και όχι γραπτή όπως όλες οι πανάρχαιες γλώσσες.
Μόλις τα πρόσφατα χρόνια τυπώθηκαν βιβλία στην Πομακική.
Lea Pomaque veut dire de l encienne temps les gueriers ILS etait des gueries vaillants de ALEXANDRE LE GRAND . MALHEUREUSEMENT ILS ONT ETE MALMENEE DES ROMAINES DES BULGARES DES TURQUES ET LE PLUS TRISTE EST D ETRE ABANDONE PAR LES GOUVERNEMENTS SOIS DISANT GREQUES SA C EST LE MALHEUR DE TOUS LES GREQUES MAIS IL YA LE DIEUX QUI NOUS SAUVERA DES VOTOURS ET DES HIENS C EST SUR COMME LE SOLEILLE BRILLER !!!🌞🌝
Tonnerre de dieu... rester vivant
There is a very big mistake regarding the cultivation of tobacco in Thrace. This plant is native to the American continent. It was introduced to Europe by the Spanish in the 16th century. Then, French traders brought it to Ottoman domains. Therefore, it was absolutely impossible for the Eastern Romans (Byzantines) to consume it.