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Will quantum ever get fixed the troll is great but the dps is garbage
@@ajadams3297 no
@@ajadams3297 not unless they make simple changes like removing the dmg cap on time bomb
@@blackroyaltymgmt5195 You really should. Or at least make a PayPal account, I hear UA-cam takes a big percentage out.
All i know shit was way better before this arts bs, if this game collapses because they cant earn cash with arts anymore this is their fault
Honestly imo Art swapping does mess up the game it takes away the dmg from a true legit player that doesn’t art swap. Plus nowadays everyone wants to be number one n top dmg than gotta drop eog on another player in take dmg off of them Yea…Hopefully some day all of that would change literally
Who in the world wants to play that way!? I’m not spending 30-40% of my time in a raid in my inventory.
Nah fr 😂 basically playing inventory simulator
No one said u had to. Play how u want. No one forcing you to swap beside yourself. If you wanna be a non top dps then thats fine
Lol, only ones playing inventory simulator are just insecure. They have to do everything, and anything to get that damage, it's so sad. 😂😂
@@Anonymous-yv8et right they can’t get their damage the regular way
Shit dps will always find a way to cheese their way to the top 😂 dps pov is disgusting these days on youtube, just watching a dude chill in his inventory every 5 sec
So your first attempt at gaslighting the community failed miserablely and now you need to save face 😂😂😂
Lol honestly, these tactics are getting old. 😂😂
I don't care if you're one of those super sweaty tryhards that need to top the DPS parse and will do anything you can to cheese the system and get that top slot. I'm a filthy casual that usually parses right above the healers and tanks and doesn't pay $USD in the game (anymore). I'm fine with that. My problem with this is that when they start balancing new content to be a challenge for these sweaty tryhards, it'll be unplayable for everyone else.
That's why they always releasing a normal (for the casuals) an, elite and now elite plus for the elitists because back in the day before the black lantern dlc (if i remember right) that stuff didn't exist, if you weren't good back then you would be kicked out in a heartbeat it's way more relaxed now.
@@woIfson the problem with that is there are e and e+ exclusive loots. I wanted to buy more orcl server towers to my league hall, and I couldn't find anywhere. I googled the name of the item and it just didn't exist, except for 1 mention in the forums as a reward for a base contest. I had to search harder to find someone who wanted to know where to find orcl large monitor, and there was a reply saying it's elite exclusive. Who's gonna run elite content a bazillion times to farm decor? 90% of players don't even know those rewards exist in the first place.
Let’s be clear, the only reason they haven’t patched art swapping is not because it’s NOT an exploit(it is) but because they make money off it.
It’s not an exploit, people paid for the arts and grinded it. How can it be an exploit lol? What are you gaining from using stuff you paid for? Please acknowledge me and if you’re gonna say something is an exploit you need to back up your claim on that and not give a weak ass no explanation opinion lol.
I mean they already have the money of anyone who ranks them all up to 200, they wouldn't be missing alot the whales already have them covered.
I thought a Sensei was supposed to be wise...
Ban Art swapping plain and simple
Or get rid of you from the game, plain and simple.
Who’s getting rid of me!? You?
@@jemellabraham7339 who’s gettting rid of art swapping? You lol?
@@jemellabraham7339 if you wanna do that you better pay for all the other arts I can’t use in battle. I’ll wait
@@NocSlays This guy is right though it should be banned. A cooldown should be applied similar to when you switch your build
If you can’t swap powers mid combat you shouldn’t be able to swap arts mid combat. Idc if you bought 20 artifacts, if you wanna use them all then switch up your build out of combat. Having to have your menu open half of the time during active gameplay to be competitive in dps is boring and lame. Not throwing shade at you for using the meta, but idk why you think they shouldn’t change it
you can't swap powers mid combat but you can swap weapons. As an example a precision dps can swap instantly between a fully single target boss rotation and when adds come out mid fight swap right away to a fully aoe rotation just with a weapon swap.
This is literally an issue because we have a leaderboard in runs lol . If there was no leaderboard , nobody would be going crazy about this / speaking down on it
Facts eso has no leaderboard in their instances and it created a non toxic/helpful community
@@Ecool27leaderboards are necessary tho so we can tell who slacking 😂😂
@@swagbutouchiha855 on ESO u feel it, everyone works collectively as a group so if whole group of dps have low burn u can tell but if only 1 or 2 have low dps then it won’t really impact
@@swagbutouchiha855 Just inspect people
Lol, anything Obsidian does and uses, not an exploit, got it.
The newest video about scepter and amulet is a huge exploit two fold.
One is designed for stacks to drop, swapping it bypasses that, EXPLOIT.
The other is designed to have orbital assist every 10 to 15 seconds, swapping makes it instant, EXPLOIT.
YOU LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY HERE.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Amulet is working EXACTLTY HOW IT WAS CREATED, if you dont have the art one obviously the finisher wont impact the stacks. The stacks will also drop if you dont have amulet on so you would have to swap it back on fast enough. NO DIFFERENT from how cog, tetra or any number of artifacts work.
How long something has been unfixed isn't support for whether or not it was intended. Don't get hung up on the word "exploit."
Your argument with utility belt swapping is interesting, and makes total sense. And people definitely were doing that when they came out. Maybe still are.
The passives on artifacts are way more impactful, and I'd say they lean more on the side of the spectrum with gear/sp, than the trinkets/consumables side of the spectrum.
And, in that manner, I believe unequipped should have no stats, or be locked behind a time-based armory, versus being freely swappable.
I think swapping was overlooked and not intended, and they're probably waiting to see how the argument shakes out before doing anything.
utility belt to art swapping I know isn't apples to apples comparison but the main point I feel is that the devs have not once since artifacts were created attempted to change anything to do with swapping. So if they really felt it was unintended and needed to be addressed they would have tried to implement something.
I guess the only way you can be people is by artifex swapping😅
I use a low end pc, there's no way I would be able to open my inventory all the time without drastically reducing my performance. Someone suggested an art wheel (similar to the emotes one) in the previous video's comment section, but I argue the arts should have a dedicated window since they're so crucial, and the slots would work just like bank's and inventory's.
All I want is no timer between armory swaps and no movement delay coming out of combat.
That would be fun tbh
TL;DR: I still believe artifact swapping meets the criteria to be categorized as an exploit. It's just happens to be one of the ones that the devs either tolerate or can't realistically do anything about.
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I hear you, but I respectfully disagree. Mostly with your definitions of "working as intended" and "exploit." To me, the lack of technical ability to execute something does not equate to the functionality being intended. As a programmer, sometimes we have to send things out to meet business demands even if the feature isn't fully complete. For something to be working as intended, there is usually something explicitly telling you what you can do or use. So I would expect them to put more things in the description of the artifact. Or for the developers to develop a UI around swapping the artifact. Those type of things clearly indicate the developers wanted interest for the artifact swapping to happen.
Also I suspect that some artifacts would be harder to disable it's effects after being equipped compared to others. I think we're looking at an issue where the developers would have liked for the effects not to last, but simply didn't have the time/ resources to make that happen. In the case of Lazarus pit, I see that more as a one-off than the general standard. I think it was probably easier to remove the effect from that particular artifact than some of the others. And also that the team was given the time to implement that change. I also don't think any inventory swapping is directly intended. Instead, I think this and many other things are simply tolerated/ overlooked by the DC because they are okay with the end result or they don't have the resources to stop it.
And there are all kinds of things like that in the game that aren't what the developers intended, but the community uses. For a long time clipping was that way too. It's something developers introduce to the game, then it was used in ways they didn't intend (Hard Light, phase dodge, etc). So they adjusted it. Same with clown box, etc etc. However that does not change the fact that it's still an exploit. And I also want to say that I'm not arguing the morality of it all. I think when people hear the word exploit they automatically think evil. But exploits exist all throughout the game and some are frowned upon and some aren't. In many games, exploits that aren't crazy toxic, are used to separate more advanced/ skilled players from the rest who only play the game in standard ways. So personally, I'm not against artifact swapping. I think it's better to have it than not have it right now in DC. But that doesn't change the fact that it is most certainly an exploit. It's just one that we like.
But from a game development viewpoint, there needs to be more tech implemented to either make artifact swapping officially acknowledged and supported by DC. Or they need to stop it all together. Because as you mentioned, players engage the same game across multiple platforms. And currently artifact swapping isn't viable on all of them. Even though I personally don't care, if I was a game developer I would be deeply concerned about art swapping further eroding the integrity of the game. Differences in players performance should be based on their skill/play style, and not on their hardware. When I am writing web software, I have to make sure that all my shiny features work on the latest browser down to the oldest supported browser. And I suspect those principles are the same in the gaming world too.
Okay. That's all I had to say. If you made it this far, to the end of this book novel, you sir, are a trooper! Haha
Tech needs to be created to manage certain artifact swaps indeed. But going back to you disagreeing with my definition of art swapping working as intended I refer to you precedent already in the game for over a decade. Look at summoning a pet or a henchmen. If I swap on henchmen - summon them - then swap back on supply etc do the henchmen despawn? do I not get the full benefit of the entire duration of the henchmen after I have already swapped them off my utility belt? The artifact system is the exact same way. If I swap on tetra and use a power I get increased might for 12s no matter what because i've already triggered the ability. Artifacts are just on a much larger scale compared to henchmen but the principals are the same.
There are plenty of ways that art swapping could be managed where the value of the artifacts remain so the argument that they never thought to change art swapping, even one time in 5+ years shows that they don't consider it either a) an issue at all or b) enough of an issue to warrant allocating resources to create the tech necessary.
@@ObsidianChill I agree that it is the same concept as swapping out pets back in the day. What I don't agree with is that it is intended functionality. As in a developer sat down and said "I'm going to create this pet, and I want/expect some of the end users, who have good enough hardware, to open their menu mid-combat, unequip this pet, equip a new one, and then continue fighting. And that is the way I intend the gameplay to be for my system." Similarly, I personally doubt that the dev who created Dead King scepter wrote that code with the intent for users to swap it out and continue to use it back to back as you mentioned in your previous video. Again I'm not saying that it should go away. I'm just saying that I do not believe the developers intended for the gameplay/ meta to be this way.
But similar to your views, I believe that they know that it exists and view it as A) an acceptable consequence, B) something they don't necessarily love but will tolerate because the community likes it and they are scared of losing more players, or C) they would like to do what they did with Lazarus pit across all the artifacts but don't have the resources to do so.
*I think that there should be a menu similar to the Emote Wheel, allowing players to quickly swap artifacts, rather than the current clunky method.*
*A less janky method of artifact-swapping could encourage some casual players to purchase additional artifacts.*
*Deleting artifact-swapping would likely reduce sales of related supplies.*
*(re-posted from the previous video)*
that would be fine with me
that would be slow asf. going into inventory is hell of a lot higher than waiting on a wheel to pop as you can see how slow the emote wheel comes
@@Radiikus *Ideally, it would be a much faster version of a menu similar to the Emote Wheel.*
*The current Emote Wheel takes too long to open, and occasionally fails to detect the initial input.*
And tie the game even harder to artifacts ? Im a new player so my take might be wildly off, but the game is already HEAVILY centered around 1 mechanic which is artifacts, that doesn’t sound like a healthy game , and to suggest that they even tie the knot harder around it seems very weird, for example as a new player getting 1 artifact to 200 seems so far fetched let alone 3, and now you wanna expand that barrier to possibly 5-6-7 artifacts that we have to max out ?
@@hanirko00 *Due to DCUO being free-to-play, I think that artifacts must be a primary feature, so that there is another source of revenue other than subscriptions.*
*I agree that obtaining rank 200 artifacts is either:*
*Very lengthy (approximately less than 1 year per artifact)*
*or*
*Very expensive (at the absolute most, $175 - $260 per artifact, depending on if double artifact EXP is active or not)*
*Artifact-swapping is always useful, but not required.*
*I recommend always reaching the 21st day of daily rewards, to help with purchasing artifact supplies from Doctor Fate.*
What people are doing with amulet art swap is wild and kinda exploitish
I feel like if art swapping is staying I want them to add a ui to it to make it even for us Ps players
You beefing with XBatmanX123 and GreenArrowhead27. The f u mean no ads they gonna watch anyway. Hit them with the pre mid and after ad and a nord vpn plug inbetween
LOL
This is so random omg 😂
Just because they can't fix it, it doesn't mean is intended to be the way, there are plenty of bug, fixes in the game that haven't been fixed. Easy example: the door glitch in GPE, fight is easier as there is no dying penalty and no ad spawn. They never fixed it, does it mean is intended to be that way? Of course not but is still an exploit. Hell it took them years to fix that phoenix cannon disconnecting problem.
The reason why they haven't fixed art swap, it's probably because it will affect their earnings significantly or they actually can't because of the coding, they normally only fix bugs asap when it affects their earnings $$. Easy example: the artifact XP glitch.
Phoenix Cannon still is that way sometimes.
Door glitches are not how the doors were designed to work or have worked in the past. If something like that occurs its obviously a bug and not intended. Now if EVERY DOOR had always glitched like that (they don't) then it could be compared to this artifact situation. The analogy you used doesn't make sense for arts
@@ObsidianChill ok then let's focus on inventory since arts are part of the inventory like you said. Why would it make sense you keep the benefits of the art even thou is not equipped or it has been taken off when that doesn't happen with any other equipment?
@@Tzalim luckily for me it hasn't happened any more on the times I've ran it
@@ObsidianChill Nah dude, it's like you said, if they haven't fixed it, it's working as intended. lol
I personally think art swapping is a dumb way to play the game, but I’ll fight for anyone’s right to art swap if they want while it’s still allowed.
Art swapping does give off try-hard vibes though. Just saying.
from my point of view, 3 slots for artifacts shoud, or bether say, MUST be enough! so, kick swappimg!
2 things, when EOG was 1st on test & you were show casing it as an ice tank you said out your own mouth it was fair & balanced. It wasn't until others were using it a few weeks later that you said some things needed to change & even then it was you were only saying the size of castors watch that you showed while in a base. So either your mind wasn't expanded to the possibilities at the time or you were being disingenuous hoping other ppl wouldnt use it lol.
2 art swapping is fine as long as the content isnt specifically tuned towards it
1st on test with EOG there wasn't the pet tier system nor allies? If allies existed where you could have 1mil dmg by all roles in a few seconds that would have counted towards EOG I would have easily said at the time that was retarded. I also said the SC regen was stupid for unlimited SC and made a video about it after EOG was released.
@@ObsidianChill I don't recall you making a video about the sc regen until it had been out a while with 25% sc powers.
Also even w/o pet arts sc shields were still at 50% when EOG was on test & a while after it hit live & nobody said anything about it for a while again until they saw other ppl using it.
It also always stacked which ppl never mentioned.
As one of the people that raised the issue of artifact swapping.
1) For the well-being of the game, it should be removed.
2) EoG should also be adjusted, as it is bonkers
3) I see artifact swapping as a non-expected flow when it was first created. It just creates too many "weird" interactions and is literally a mess.
4) I don't see devs rushing to fix it, since leaving it broken kind of indirectly makes money and they don't seem to have the "man" power nor to be in their best of their interest to prioritize fixing art swapping. In addition, you have to create an all-new system like allies or something that discourages artifact swapping.
You random retired elite tank.
The same way I don't see a revamp on iconic powers and movement powers.
“The well being of the game” lol swapping has been around forever and when they introduced artifacts you could swap those too. Swapping artifacts adds another layer to playing your role in this game and taking that away will make the game even more stale especially the dps side. You claim it’s for the well being of the game but getting rid of artifact swapping would be taking away both revenue and players away from the game.
The devs don't care about the game, they're just milking it until the lights go out. The well being of the game has never been a factor in any decisions being made.
@@garcgu9571 What SHOULD be done is a way to balance and streamline swapping so everyone can and is encouraged to do it. But instead, we just got an emote wheel. They COULD use the armory system. But the devs are sadly not smart enough to implement such ideas.
@@SHMEGAF everyone can swap if they have the artifacts. There’s nothing stopping you or I from swapping if we have the artifacts to do so, so asking them to streamline it would be a huge waste of resources
Also, it's not always about whether players can or can't do this, it's about how ridiculous it is to spend most of the fight in an inventory screen, not intended.
As to the fairness of it, PC players have a huge advantage in this technique versus console players specifically ps4. The delay in inventory makes swapping on ps4 extremely difficult and far riskier in combat.
ps4 maybe yeah, but ps5 is faster then pc in swapping simply because controller art swap is way faster
Play your game how you like… some prefer to be elitists while yiu clearly enjoy being casual player
@@whoknew.. no, I prefer a fair and balanced game. Even Obsidian said artifacts with art swapping needs balance. The devs can't even balance powers, they certainly can't balance an unintended side effect of artifact swapping. The easy and fair fix is locking artifacts when in combat. Armories were locked in combat for the very same reasons and freely switching roles wouldn't be nearly as game changing.
Imagine, you get 2 to 3 arts to 200 to be a good dps. Now, imagine your own dps gets blown out the water by people abusing a exploit that involves you looking at your inventory more than the actually game. In no way shape or form that was the intended design. Sadly. I dont think daybreak will patch it cause they're money hungry. It'll slow down the money they getting from artifacts.
Art swap is not a exploit but its just straight up broken/unbalanced and so is EoG
I’m a fairly casual player and I don’t have an issue with Art swapping. In fact, I’m actually incorporating into my gameplay, and it’s actually pretty fun.
Sure I’m not “top DPS”, but what value does the scoreboard have? I say let these overzealous scoreboard chaser keep chasing!
I’m tryna get content and feats done, these players speed things up!
Just because the benefits are great for roles doesnt mean the devs intended for every player to use 4, 5, 6 or more artifacts lol. Just because it helps the group, doesnt negate the fact we have 3 slots end of story. Further, when swapping changes how an artifact preforms, its most definitely not intended or it would say it in the artifact description.
Btw, Im in the club of locking artifacts during combat AND nerfing EOG. I really dont understand that perspective that it's either or lmao. Im quite consistant there, swapping allows for far more effects which trivializes content. EOG stacking also trivializes content.
Back when artifacts came out and they were creating artifacts we also didn't think we would have 40+ of them in the game as well. If the devs didn't want us to be swapping between arts then why keep releasing ones that have synergy between the ones we already have?
@@ObsidianChill the amount of them doesn't prove we should be able to use all 40 in one fight lol. There is synergy between pairs, or three, which guess what, is the intended amount we should be using.
If ya wanna use all of them, make different armories with different combinations. Support uses different ones from DPS as well. People seem to think it'd cost Daybreak money, naw, it would increase armory sales.
If they weren’t meant to be used why drop 10+ artifacts for just one specific role? Surely devs knew players would spend their own money to max them and use them, now you want art swap locked because you can’t afford to drop a few bucks in a game?? 😂😂
@@emoney181 lmfao. Not our fault u decide to not spend money. WE spend money on ARTS to USE them. What are people not getting through they thick ass skulls? 🤣🤣🤣
@Eric Bendle I agree 100% with everything you said.
It's just sad that people are out here defending this behavior.
I don’t really care much for art swapping I think it’s unnecessarily extra but that’s just my opinion. And whoever says it takes skill is crazy 💀 it don’t take skill to go into your inventory and press a button if anything it takes money not skill
Totally Off Topic But I Just Switch To Fire What Is The Best Way To Go When Putting Sp Into It Should I max out health or dom first ?
Fire Tank? would be health first and then dom. If you have lots of sp put 100 sp into resto as well
@@ObsidianChill sounds good thank you so much and apologies for the off topic again have an awesome day
Does anyone know when the next double artifact xp will happen again?
typically they happen before episodes so I would expect the next one towards end of summer like august-sept
They should just add a fourth slot for arts and lock it when in combat end of story.
Lmao all y’all complaining about art swapping but whats the point of having like 8 or 9 dps artifacts 200 if your only gonna use 3 maybe 4 just a waste of money just get better n join the meta simple
You might be the only hero with a brain. I can’t stand heroes, all they do is complain about stuff I’m forums and act like they should dictate how the game is run
This msg for is crybabies: If you think doing 123 simple power channeling stiff rotations is going to make the game better then it’s a reason why you shouldn’t have a opinion
No matter what you think about balance or if it’s a exploit or not you can’t tell me going into you inventory multiple times to swap arts isn’t shit game play. And imo the only reason something hasn’t been don’t about it is cause they would make less money off the players.
Back in the day maybe we would swap a henchmen or a trinket at the beginning of a fight after we used it but that was about it. The current art swapping is you in your inventory a quarter of the fight and that’s sad.
it is shit gameplay, which is why I don't like to do it or do it to a small extent. The difference with me is that I will fight for the players rights to be able to art swap because I view it simply as something to enhance your role. It is the same as us using the consumables to clip like karmic hex or the grenade consumable to clip rifle ticks. Are regular players going to craft tons of consumables and use them off cooldown for an entire raid? no but we fought for the right to use that as players because it was something extra we could do to contribute to our rotations.
@@ObsidianChill clipping consumables didn’t have you digging in your inventory all the time. I can also see why you stand up for it cause people spent lots of money on these arts but at the end of the day the game play will always be ass if somethings aren’t changed. In all honesty it’s probably way to late anyway dcuo is about making money not good content of gameplay.
@@Joffensive if we would have needed to open our inventory more back then for dmg more than likely we would have, dunno about PS3 but players would have found a way. We didn't need to back then because rotations were complex enough and other means to clip abilities with it was never a concern. But for those early utility belts that were 2 consumable/2 trinkets etc or 3 consumables 1 trinket you still swapped to make sure you had all your dmg out
I'm from WoW and if you're in combat you can't change anything in your gear slots. DCUO has many many aspects like this that aren't like WoW. it feels so much like cheating in my mind and it's fun as hell but i totally wouldn't mind gear lock in combat or just remove artifact effects when you remove the artifact which makes literal sense imo. but if not it's okay cause it doesn't really effect my gameplay
then go play wow then and stfu
OC people are always gonna have different opinions.. some love art swapping some dont care there are some who either don't know what it is or don't need to do to keep up with other dps who do. DPS IS the main thing people art swapping for.. trollers ye but mainly dps.
The real problem is that you can't really do it wothout dying when you play with a controller or play on any platform besides pc.
And to be honest, we had massive server problems since wednesday last week and they took their time fixing it like its no problem...
The laziness of the deva can't be even considered an argument at this point. There are still problems in the game that haven't been fixed and which they probably have no intention of fixing. But thats another giant problem with the game
You should do a vid on the best role for every power
It's over let the game die😂 y'all is the reason why the game is dying cuz you cry way too much about everything the only thing day break his doing is breaking your pocket😂😂
Yeah there a big difference between swapping something that’s in game vs something literally costing 200 just to swap n compete n No I give no shits I don’t swap and won’t do it just for meta pfft lmfao 🤣 glad I’m a tank …. No balance if lil jimmy pays for 10 artifacts just swap … lol oh then we have the Toxic ppl which artifact swap literally frown on those who don’t ..
that’s not balance lol for that they should’ve just let hard light be clipped like back b4 gu36 to get all that damage … I know this game since free 2 play …. That’s old tier4 for context… this just a whole heep of unbalanced agreed .
It takes like 6 months to get an artifact to 200 playing for free. I don’t like needing 3 artifacts for each role and then having to get 3-4 more on top of everything else. It’ll be 2-3 years before I can max all them out lol. Just sucks for new players who want to do elite content to get feats but don’t have 10-12 maxed out arts so groups won’t take you because you’re not doing the max damage possible
lol why do people care about swaping? Its only ever in the interest of the whole group, its literally how artifacts are supposed to be used, EVERYONE can do it its not a hack you need to break the law to use, it's beneficial to the game as it generates extra revenue with players buying more stuff to lvl them up. Its dumb not to honestly
It's just like going in your bag in any other game, minus the fact some can do it mostly PC players but if you can you can then you can if you don't want to don't. The biggest mistake they did was making the scoreboard the most important thing in raids in stead of completion and teamwork. The nature / eog broken comment was on point as well. But at this point dcuo is more of a churning $$ grab...
So what do you like better, Letterkenny or shorsy?
Solution to art swapping without losing the value of extra arts that are not equipped is to, allow us to equip 3-4 arts into your mainframe base similar to mainframe mods. No stats just passive effects. This will allow people to lvl and use beyond 3 arts.
Also, arts must be locked during combat.
That is the compromise and that is how you solve this issue.
Allow us to equip as many arts as we want without the stats pass 3 arts would be perfect. Giving us 4 arts still will be a downside there’s like 6+ artifacts that people use to art swap that shouldn’t be used the entire time you’re fighting. Basically removing the ability to art swap will make many arts useless and the devs will not be making money at all.
For real, the trinket buff arts should be slotted into the base in some way
Lol why do you wanna keep ppl from swapping?? Like literally how does that affect you?
Lol, people are so funny... so exploits because I have like 12 - 200 arts and want to use them. ✋️ stop it, hahaha.
Ngl chill hit it on spot wit this vid bro Eog we should all knw it’s broken lolol again good vid nothing like the old days of DCUO I’m from the killing joke so know how the game was back then lol
One interesting issue is the PC swap advantage. Can’t you create shortcuts to swap super quick? Whereas ps you have to scroll through the inventory. Might be incorrect on this though
Yes a macro tht with one button press it swaps the first slot for you so your inventory only open for 1 sec
PC can only quick swap an artifact in the 1st slot in your inventory but only 1. PS opens their inventory automatically to the first sqaure so PS or PS5 can swap multiple artifacts with ease because they just move a few sqaures where with PC if you want to do one that isnt in the 1st slot you have to find your mouse cursor, which won't be on the same spot on your monitor or if you play with 2 monitors like me it could be completely out of your window then you have to manually select the arts and move them. PC can be faster with 1 swap but PS5 it is way smoother to swap arts then PC
@@ObsidianChill this is the most true statement people dont understand its easier to swap on ps5 i be losing my cursor when its time to swap anything else
@@Lunodc lol ye tht cursor so small 🤣
Obsidianchill you have a mindset of I like swapping so my opinion is correct and anyone who doesn’t agree is wrong. You complain about ppl who don’t want to swap or can’t. So 1 if ppl can’t effectively then your point is incomplete on them. 2 I am one of those ppl who don’t want to so what’s your point? Because you like it I am wrong lmfao. Most most top dps prec and might do not want EOG changed so saying even they agree is false just to prove your own point. Why not increase the art slot to 5 or 6 or make a sub category of arts like dks, philosopher stone? I troll Elites and tank elites on my toon with close to no swapping on troll and zero swapping on tank. I have and always get thru content. In the same amount of time of every top groups that have ppl swapping 6-11 art swapping. My TTE runs seem pretty good with time fastest I’ve heard is 18mins 🤷🏻♂️ I’m right there. So my point is make a sub category and or increase the art slot. There’s plenty of ppl who do not enjoy being in their inventory I played the game before arts and play during and although it has advantages it’s not enjoyable. Also to act like prec dps aren’t doing all those swaps and repeatedly saying might dps to keep up with prec in your past 2 vids is false. Every top prec are doing the same. I disagree with you but you do good for the community on dcuo I’m not coming at you just have a completely different view.
Lol not sure what pug dps you've been talking to but I am in multiple discord servers with the top dps in the game and there isn't a single one that thinks EOG isn't broken and needs adjusting. They accept it because they actually know what they are talking about and know its for the health of the game. I never said prec dps weren't swapping in either video? I said the swaps coded showed is how he keeps might powers like Atomic and Ice better than gadgets/elec prec. There are plenty of things the game can do with art swapping to make it less dependent but doesn't mean for a moment that any of it is exploiting
@@ObsidianChill lmao so because your in multiple discord’s you act like we don’t talk to the same ppl
In game or know the same ppl. You have no argument other then “idk who you talk to me” you act like the first few days of the announcement after the recent 2x art xp that ppl were not crying about eog getting nerfed in LFG in discord’s on the forums. You wanna play the name game of I’m a top tier player speaking with the best of the best lmfao great mentality. You’ve responded to absolutely nothing I said but took away only the prec dps thing. You in both videos implied that might players are doing this to keep up with prec in your own words. You are leaving out that and it seems like when you implied that twice as if prec players are not doing the same swaps. Maybe instead of phrasing the way you do you should say that’s why the top dps both prec and might are doing these swaps. I never said exploit so your adding in something I didn’t say to again prove a point about something that I didn’t mention
@@ObsidianChill don’t mention pc players running macros for years and basically just have to hit 1 button then open a menu to swap don’t say anything about how it’s easier 😂 you take 1 extreme example the literal outlier of might ps players who you can hear using mouse and key board anyway codedkills In his videos and then apply to it every single player on dc. My points stand some ppl cant and some ppl don’t want to swap so increase the art slots or make a sub category for certain arts and be able to add them in like ally’s. You for some reason can’t have nuanced take I can agree with ppl swapping it’s not exploit but I don’t like it. So again increase the art slots….. it’s not hard to be compromise but run Idk what pugs you talk to 😂
Wait, you cant transfer money from toon to toon? since when?
NVM, ill just make a second account to trade that way.
Tbh I just play dc just to play it at this point I don’t stress it anymore at the end of the day the devs don’t care what we want will just play until this game comes to a end
I’m sorry but I feel like this topic is a giant waste of time. The game is extremely stale. The powers have remained relatively the same, every new episode now is a re-skin or half-assed/buggy. I wish this energy was poured into things that would actually make the game feel fun and fresh again. Stopping art swapping is going to do nothing but cause more players to quit.
you can't start to balance or make changes to powersets when you have unbalanced arts like EOG. Cause then whatever changes are made will just make it meta and nothing changes it overall.
@@ObsidianChill And they are changing eog, finally. But art swapping is a pointless topic to debate on, especially when the rate in which we are receiving balancing changes is exponentially slow. This is why I’m saying that our energy is better spent on pushing for more meaningful changes.
@Zenphon 100 so the solution is to sit around arguing about art swapping then, got it
@@ObsidianChill this game is straight trash buddy and arts honestly shouldn’t have ever been introduced
As much as I dont want to admit it because the execution was a bit disrespectful, I agree with @Savii's comment. I'd rather push for changes that will actually matter. But im waaaay past the point of caring, I just simply agree that there are more important things to worry about than art swapping, if you actually want the game to change for the better. With that being said though love the content as always chill, even if the game is dead asf and is nothing but a glorified cash grab and casino 2 in 1 deal.
i say encourage art swapping
make it a real thing in the game
so its relatively fair to most of the players .
Also btw, a few times i almpst deleted my art while trying to quickly swap it out 😂😂 becareful players.
If everyone could easily art swap I think the complaints about it would go down(ps4 to ps5). Making it easily accessible for all platforms but also keeping the skill gap would probably be better because you still have to understand how to actually maximize your artifact damage because art swapping alone doesn’t make you a better player but knowing when to art swap does. This type of gameplay is trash tho 😂 but we are forced too.
Although it is lame to art swap, thats just what its come to. To be relevant you need to swap. Definitely not an exploit though lol
Right if they didn’t want us to swap they would’ve been locked it. They saw what people were doing with arts and Mepps saw no problem in that.
If anything the people who are saying lock arts are the same ones who don’t even spend money on this game nor contribute to the game’s health. And even then they proceed to say well I can’t compete because of art swappers…. Okay, then why ask for arts to be locked when they can ask the devs to implement a better way to have all artifacts without making a toon too powerful which would easily be don’t give stats pass 3 artifacts or even better remove all stats from artifacts and give us the option to wear every artifact as we please.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about
Facts L gameplay tbh lol
@Hi Hi I don't think it's as simple as if they didn't want us to do it they'd lock it. I think 1. It was totally unintended, and 2. They're too lazy to do anything about it because it doesn't break the game.
Art swap will be problem if will be necessary like new content be almost unbeatable and push players to use them so the devs can be careful about that instead of using the dam left buttons for emote wheel that dont even help in the gameplay it will be better to use an art wheel (talkin about controller players cause there is a limit on the buttons) so no one has to open inventory no one with low PC or PS4 or another platform have problem with loading and then everyone will be happy. Now the problem with most ppl is HOW to swap and not the actually swapping since im talking about that arround ive figure that ppl have problem opening the inventory the whole time. If the devs make the artifacts with that way that you explained in the previous video then they must complete how it works. I never met someone using the emote wheel in the combat also its annoying many times (for controller users talking) when you trying to zoom your camera and that dam wheel onening without reason. So yeah the problem is about devs and not from players they must do it clear for us that swap is how arts working and help us do it better if they want to keep that way instead of making it annoying for us.
Ooooooo I actually like this idea. That's kind of cool 😎
Ffs make it easier to get to 200. It's a slow process. People just find it frustrating that most players already have lv 200 arts. That's all it is.
The thing that gets me is that mepps said he won’t revert every dmg they did to all the powers because of Gemini and that’s just wrong.At least revert the dmg and people won’t be as pissed off 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t get why people care about art swapping. Isn’t beneficial for PVE content? Aren’t we all on the same team when we play pve? Doesn’t it benefit the whole group one way or another ? I’m baffled this is even a topic lol.
There is something called tryhards in this games , no 1 think in group , the only thing that matters its put numbers out
I'm convinced most if not all those complainers are the type of defeatists that stand at the foot of the mountain and bemoan the trek up there,w hich they might never even take on. They conflate optimum with minimum, heard of one story/seen one video, and think that's now everyone.
In the thousands of runs I've done across many toons, I've never seen anyone getting kicked for not swapping or anyone demanding to swap whatever. So these stories I don't even believe, unless Hero side really has such toxic idiots. But even then, the complainers could just make use of their ignore list. Nobody in the average run will ever care if people swap or not, as long as the run goes smoothly enough.
I find it ridiculous, honestly, as someone who swaps a little on my main to help a tad with damage (mercy nukes & scepter orbitals, occasional eog/dilustel swaps). I ranked them up and want to use them, you lot leave me to it while I'm doing my job well too. Wanna be "at the top" without such efforts those top level DPSes put in? That's not how ANYTHING works. ffs.
The thing is open inventory in a fight its awefull , most of ppl just want some tools for do it properly without lose the focus etc , idc about swap or not , just make it clean
They better not take out art swapping for bums WHO DONT EVEN PLAY DCUO folks worked hard for those damn arts , and used our hard earned money , they BETTER let us swap and then it really shows you the difference of skill in the game 💯
Skill is open a inventory and click few times ? Lol , i agree with the money fact , but call that skill bro...thats nt even play , even a monkey can do it
@@GodTier77 nahh not everybody is doing that , and especially if your a art swapping buff troll or art swapping healer , those are extremely rare to come across , and when it comes to skill points and Knowing how to parse as a Dps, AoE and Single Target , on a 10 sec parse , that’s what separates them , if people can’t run elite, they are not apart of this conversation 😂
How do you measure might dps? I'll put my 403sp 200art ice single target dps against any other non swapping power single target
You’ll still lose to a Gadg/Elec sorry to say.
All they need to do is make it so armory’s have a 10sec cooldown then the scrubs will be able to do it without having to go to inventory……it’s really a simple fix that could make ppl want to buy more art so win for devs and community…..
Isn't there a big revamp coming this year? Saw a Roadmap couple months ago where a revamp was written in and I was wondering
I wish
Dont say you do not wait this
Havnt thought about this, I honestly would say either make it more accessible for everyone (not going in the menus all the time) or remove it, I don't want to play item management online I get enough of that with resi 2 remake speedruns.
No one got a gun to your head to art swap. Do what you want run the same 3 arts while us players who spend hella money on arts use are 5-6
@Shiiesty lmao I mean I've spent way to much just to catch up for nearly both roles at this point, including artifacts (120-160 range, I literally refuse to pay after around 120 as it costs way too much), even allies as source marks are used for everything so I never have any spare marks
Art menu was already leaked. Nobody will swap soon. Cya later swappers
that was a fake post created by a player, it was already debunked
Art swapping will never ever be taken out the game, think from a business model side would you rather lock every player to a max of 3 Artifacts or allow art swapping which allows players to utilise wayyyy more arts than 3 (£££££££££££)
I think my idea from the previous video is still the best compromise option. Locking in combat But utilizing the armory system to allow on the fly art swapping with a short cooldown and no large cooldown like Armories have in combat. Add a new section in the mainframe that can store sets of artifacts (also solving the inventory space issues) And as many slots as you have for armories, You can have the option to put Artifact Loadouts instead of an armory. This way even console players can benefit from art swapping, without being a huge detriment to the team if they miss a group wiping tell because the inventory was clogging the screen.
I feel indifferent to this “debacle”. The ones complaining mostly are dps being out dps by other dps (usually pugs).
Right, if you are being put dps’d by people who art swap while also not wanting to art swap yourself, then that’s a personal problem people need to deal with. So selfish of a take for people to ask art swapping to be taken out its insane.
And people that think you need to swap 5 arts to be top dps
All the people that want artifacts locked and eog nerfed is just pub players in regular content thinking the reason why they’re on the bottom boards because this guy has a eog 200 but the eog dps isn’t running a eog healer he is on top because skill 😂 so they complain on the forums like brain deads and want eog nerfed. Eog isn’t even broken its just the whole group has it that make it broken if you in a regular group with no eog healer and no eog stacks it only hits for like 250k or 187k and then the dps is out of sc
Right they lack skill to even speak on a topic of this degree
Simple solution - add an easy mechanic that lets everyone artifact swap.
Exactly bro so everyone can be happy.
Only solution is to put a halt to new content and work on 4 new powers for each role.
The powers are always the main piece of content that brings players back to the game.
Also when did DCUO become call of duty-esque. Being top dps shouldnt be your main concern. Getting through the content is. Who cares if your damage is nice if you never get through the alert/raid.
Agreed. Hell, I use DM Batman as my combat ally purely because he nerfs enemies for a moment allowing EVERYONE to do additional damage rather than just myself. I've always been the kind of dps who cares more about the team side of things than about their' own damage. I'll jump into another players EOG circle to hurriedly add some damage to their' use of it. Etc
Some people enjoy being elitists and some enjoy being watchtower buns casually playing or rather talking about this person and that person. Grow up play the game how you like, because in the end what youre complaining about is simply a team benefit and if youre not on said team who are you to have an opinion on how they play their game.
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One thing I like that you said was people don’t art swap for themselves they do it to benefit the group.I could say more valid point you pointed out but ima leave just saying that most important one.
Right they just don’t know how those arts is really making us clear faster. I promise you if raids take too long to do I will not be participating. Many people do not have the time and patience to sit in alerts and raids for long with people who do not even do mechanics right nor do good damage.
Then these same people are mad they not top on the leaderboard but they ain’t doing nothing nor have good loadouts. Like people are so pathetic in this game.
B.I.N.G.O ^
If they remove art swapping I know for a fact elite raids will be extremely too long to do and certain parts require you to have good burn or you’re going to die so that’ll just make that near to impossible.
@@HiHi-yk1mv So you're saying elite content is balanced around swapping. And you wonder why people have a problem with it?
Reason = $$$$
Artifact swapping is not an exploit simply because you’re swapping and using artifacts that YOU PAID or grinded for in terms of you earned it. You’re using all the artifacts you earned that is yours alone to the best of its ability. I think people are misplacing the word exploit for utilize.
Agreed Art swapping isn't an exploit ,shit like this has been around since Beta 🙄 Do some folks not understand we could always swap shit around on our belt are they saying since beta that has always been a exploit ughhhh forget it .
Secondly the only reason it hasn’t been Nerfed yet , just like they did with a Allie’s is because ppl cry to damn much …
Why do you think they implemented Allies in the 1st place .
Wow guess I’m ignorant or maybe I’ll just wait n see what unfolds …
Lol artifact swapping. Who gives a damn, the game is dead as hell. Downloaded it after 6 months and deleted it 45 mins later
LOL idk why they think that’s so important when it’s not going to revive the game at all there’s other matters that need to be fix about this game and implemented but they worried about fully function arts that are working as intended, smh.
@@HiHi-yk1mv exactly bro thank you
Artifacts are here to stay, they should should make swapping part of the game, like artifact presets that can be changed in combat. i think swapping is not game breaking. The only other compromise i think they can make is to add more artifact slots but that just caters to players who feel swapping is too “sweaty”. With only 3 slots and a crap ton of artifacts now, it does not make sense to limit them even further.
talk yo shit
its not cheating or exploiting , dont be mad u dont have the money or gaming set up to do it … see you at 3rd place !
Personally, i would be cool with that, if i can switch armories with shorter cool down in combat.
Yeah i wouldn't say an exploit and regular dpsing does get boring just another skill to take your gaming to the next level
Can you imagine Buff trolling with Claw and having a healer who power dumps too much for it to keep up? Happens half the time at least. If you lock artifacts so you can't even remove the Claw to get power generation back to the group, let alone swap it for soul cloak or tetra or cog or whatever, total party wipe.
Ez fix for that is to tell the heal to go fuck himself and use supply and cola 🙏🏻
I agree it's not an exploit and swapping is fine with me. I just think the should be fixed so you don't get effects from a artifact that's no longer in you 3 slots. That's why some are jealous when you get the effects from multiple artifacts on the same supercharge. As you said this is working as intended.
I've never said that its and exploit or an unfair advantage but only that its completely unnecessary and pointless in a dying game like DCUO.
Why go so hard for a dying game that the devs don't even care to balance? Maybe you feel you need to art swap in elite content, the fact is that you don't but even if you feel that way, elite content is brain dead and pointless. You do elite content to get elite gear to do elite content. Its the oldest and dumbest hamster wheel in gaming.
I understand that you're a content creator and you have to cover these things but being a try hard in this game is just so dumb and the drama is so dumb.
The game is on life support and unless it sees a massive change to its graphics and gameplay balance, it'll be dead soon. Just enjoy it while its here, a DCUO2 will probably never be made so ignore the drama and have fun.
No point anymore OC it's been clear for a long time changes won't be happening. I've scaled back to playing once a week now and eventually that will be it for me. I've stopped spending money on this game because it's no longer fun. Save it till the end when the game is finished and summarize what could have been lol.
I've always been like this with DCUO, to me it doesn't matter if 10k or 1k players are active in the community, i'll still fight for what I feel is right. If some little victories come here and then im ok with that bit at least at the end of the day if nothing mattered I can at least say I tried.
Not reading all that, but to point out your hypocrisy within the first sentences you going hard asf for a dying game yourself, mepps didn’t pay you to write 3 paragraphs on UA-cam based on “a dying game”
This is refreshing to see obsidian defend something😂
As he should.