I'm pretty conservative on a lot of social issues, but this is something I really don't care about. I don't get triggered when I see rainbow flags or anything that deals with homosexuality. Live and let live.🤷
It has seemed more strange to me why it would be considered a political issue. Let people love who the would like as long as it’s not hurting anyone why does it need to be political?
@thestrongcollectors Because people who believe it is a sin want to use political power to illegalize or suppress it out of public view or, if possible, out of existence. Grew up with those kind of people. They think they are "saving" people, the country, the world, etc., not realizing that the way they approach it makes the world worse and only increases disdain people have for them and the faith/God they proclaim. Take that single element away, and a tremendous amount of it changes instantly.
@@thestrongcollectors For me, it's how over the past five years the "inclusive" flag has come to mean that those who wave it believe you're a bigot if you don't support males in women's sports, prisons, etc. Which actually does harm women, and that makes it a political issue.
Thank you for being respectful regarding this topic. I like how you recognized the nuances of the argument. As an LGBTQ member of the action figure/Comic community entering new communities like yours can be frightening considering how common backlash is and your support is greatly appreciated.
I just want to say that I really appreciate you guys dedicating a whole episode to cover this topic, and that I happen to also agree with your views on the subject. 💪💪
im glad hasbro isnt just saying this and not doing anything, because they said theyre continuing their ongoing collaboration with the trevor project. i think thats good, and sets them above other companies who simply say "happy pride!" and sell pride merch, just for it to be in their pockets. hasbro actually collabs with a well known lgbt foundation, which is great.
Very true. I’ve never liked the idea of “would you like to round up” at the stores because they’re just asking us to make a donation in their name but when they take their actual profits and make the donation, that feels more legit.
Thank you for having a civil conversation about this. I am gay, and I assure you I have been my whole life. Growing up in the 80's was not easy, and companies would have never shown their support for the community. In fact, they did the opposite. It has made me happy that times changed, but it’s also becoming so commercial now that I’m not sure if it is genuine. Hasbro is such a big company that not only would they have LGBT customers, but employees as well, much like Disney. So it makes sense to show support. I applaud this, but it does beg the question if this is really about inclusivity or monetization. Whether or not they actually care about us remains to be seen. Support has to go beyond one post. What’s most upsetting though is the secondary hate we receive for something we didn't do. The gay community did't demand Hasbro post this, yet along with people being mad at the company, we have the usual horrible comments toward the community by default. It’s all getting completely out of hand.
Yeah i think it sucks when a company does something and then a group that had nothing to do with that choice faces the backlash. some people just can't think past their outrage.
@@nothx512 Yes, and they have have a responsibility to not show such deep hatred toward another for no reason. That goes beyond simply disagreeing. When I pray I genuinely ask for that hate to stop.
It always bugs me while the superheroes comic always promotes the idea of inclusivity, equality and compassion, yet a rather unfornately large part of the toy collecting community on the other hand seems to disregard that. I am under on illusion that why corporations do these kind of stuff, but a gesture is better than nothing at all.
agreed. and i think a fair amount of the actual comic book readers miss the point of what they read too. But when you take that audience over the the toys you loose even more understanding from the source material.
I just ignore Pride stuff. I owned my own Comic Book Store and I welcomed everyone. I never cared about anyone's sexuality. None of my business. My gay male audience, was nil, as far as I know, but for a brief time I had some bi and lesbian customers who bought certain titles; Xena, Buffy, Charmed, and Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I always figured I was an oddball myself for reading Comics and later Collecting Action Figures, so who the heck am I to judge anyone?
You would think more people would have that attitude. I just don’t understand looking down on people for things that don’t affect you. Let folks love who they want, and have the collecting hobbies they enjoy.
I was worried when I clicked on this video. Ive noticed thats there's a large portion of the collecting comunity that have a chip on their shoulder about this stuff and as a gay man its made it feel like a lonely hobby at times. But thankfully there are a lot of solid good people as well and im glad you guys seem to be in that camp 😊
I think we WAY overcomplicate this topic. If people would own their own discomfort and/or be mature enough to realize that not everyone sees things the way they do, then they could treat others with respect, in spite of differences that bother them. Instead, immature people and/or self-righteous a-holes feel compelled to act out against others. So "Pride" comes along to essentially counteract that a-hole-ism and try to provide something positive. And sometimes in the process of that and due to the word "pride" I suspect, the a-holes feel like the world is now trying to "make" people gay and promote it, etc. NONE of ANY of that would be happening if not for the words and actions of the a-holes who cannot exist with people or things they find uncomfortable. How about we all just take "pride" in our ability - if we choose it - to not be a-holes to one another...about anything?! Then there wouldn't even be a need for so many counterbalancing efforts around race, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc because we'd all be treating each other with mutual respect. Period.
I'm a gay black man, and I'm also an action figure and doll collector. I even create and make my own high fashion doll's for adult collectors. I'm not for or against a corporation claiming to be supportive of the gay community. It's the fact that a corporation exists to make as much money as possible every year. Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining! Hasbro wants to make money, period. Full stop. If claiming to embrace the gay community helps their image as their profits go up, then that why they did it. Do they actually care about the gay community? I seriously doubt it. I'm sure hasbro, like any large corporation, has alot of gay employees, but their goal as a whole corporation is to increase profit as much as possible.
Being open and inclusive is always a positive. I do think the way Hasbro goes about it is lazy though. They never seem to take existing or new lgbt characters and showcase them in relation to pride. It’s always just something that already exists like a droid or stormtrooper painted rainbow. Imagine a wave of figs based on lgbt characters or characters played by lgbt actors with pride branding rather than another rainbow stormtrooper… NECA recently did a pride version of Elvira in a rainbow dress and it made perfect sense cuz Cassandra Peterson is an outspoken lesbian and advocate. There was a direct connection to pride, the figure came with new pride focused accessories like flags and a portion of the proceeds were donated to the HRC. Rather than just painting Jason Voorhees rainbow, they took the opportunity to showcase an lgbt actress and support a cause she advocates for. Everybody wins.
very true. I wonder if we would ever see something like that from hasbro. Doing a line similar to the marvel legends 85th anniversary program would make sense. A 2 pack of destiny and mystique, and other with Wiccan and Hulkling, single pack of Viv Vision, and Morph. It wouldn't be too hard.
The same comment about sexualizing kids is the same type of person complaining that certain figures or cartoon characters aren’t sexy enough. Are companies pandering absolutely. But there are also people that work for those companies (who are human beings) that want to work for a company that is inclusive and are doing what they can to make their workplace more inclusive. Putting up the pride flag should not ruin peoples day. What is most important is what is the company actually doing. Did anyone complaining actually look up and see what Hasbro is doing in local community, charity, or employees? Judge a company based on that.
I saw that too and thought it was a little hypocritical. Is pride too sexy but the toys aren’t sexy enough? I am glad hasbro has a real charity they are donating to for pride.
I have no problem with anybody’s sexualities or sexual preferences. I do have a problem with people and especially companies that I support shoving it down my throat. It just doesn’t sit right with me when a company that makes toys for children is posting and pretty much celebrating what certain people prefer in the bedroom. To me that should be private and only discussed with people you trust. I have no problem with any of it, I just feel like it shouldn’t be this mainstream. Just my opinion tho. Everyone has their own.
What about a marvel legends 2 pack of MJ and Spider-Man. Do you feel that’s shoving things down your throat? I get it’s a little different but no one ever has negative comments to post when Marvel shares a pic of them but heaven forbid if it’s a pic of Wiccan and Hulkling. (Not saying that’s you but that’s always been something that drives me crazy)
@@thestrongcollectors it seems as if I didn’t explain my point as well as I thought I did. I have no problem with gay characters. I would love a marvel legends two pack of Hulkling and Wiccan or Mystique and Destiny. My point is that companies that during pride month change their logos to have a rainbow color scheme and post something about inclusion and then once the month is over never speak of the community again until the next year isn’t very inclusive. If the goal is to make the lgbt community feel included then I feel that we shouldn’t celebrate them. We should actually treat them the same way we should treat anyone else. Pride month shouldn’t be a big deal bc it seems like these companies are treating them as abnormal. Nobody should be treated as abnormal. My point is that everybody should be treated and celebrated the same. There should be no need for a pride month. People of the lgbt community along with everyone else should be treated equal. We should all be treated fairly and with respect, no matter what you believe in. Again, just my opinion. Everyone has their own. Sorry if I offended you or anybody.
for sure. in an ideal world everyone would be treated equally. I think pride month similar to black history month, is about more than just treat me equally now. I don't think either group is treated equally as other groups but they are more so now than in the past. I think pride month is also about celebrating that the lgbt community can breath a little easier now than they could 20 years ago while still striving for the even playing field. We're closer than we have been as a society than we ever have before but not at an ideal spot. again maybe Hasbro is just pandering but i kind of feel the same about UA-camrs making videos of them doing a helping the homeless video. They're doing it for views but it's also putting more good out vs bad. Maybe it inspires someone else to help. I feel like i'm going off on a separate tangent there.
@@bigboymartyTo say there shouldn’t be a pride month is to live in a bubble. Years they were treated as less than, sub human and a disease now they can finally celebrate who they are and the many trials and tribulations to get here. If you wanna be ignorant to that because “What goes on in the bedroom is your business” (Newsflash, sexuality isn’t just sex) then fine
For arguments about companies "shoving it down our throats," which this one applies to Marvel. Gay couples is one thing like Wiccan and Hulkinh. But turning a character like iceman that's been straight for 60 years and then have him be flamboyant while doing nothing but act sexual is going overboard. You can see the media support this with articles asking if he's a "bottom" or "top" . Which has nothing to do with the comic. It's ideological "journalists" with an obsession over identity politics. these are comics that marvel try to market to kids and adults. There are fans that like the change and others that don't. But I've seen one side get called bigots for not liking it. Hijacking characters to push an agenda isn't a good marketing strategy.
I totally agree that media making an article about top and bottom is probably too far. However I don’t see the same outrage when it comes to who she hulk takes home or nightwings love interests. I haven’t read everything since iceman has come out (I’m up to house or x) but so far everything has been good and still having a character like him come out later in life is still realistic to real life. If they had all xmen come then sure maybe that’s too far.
@thestrongcollectors he didn't "come out" he was straight. They hijacked him to make him gay. The outrage isn't about who someone sleeps with. It's taking a character everyone knows isn't gay and making them gay for an agenda. That's like taking Wiccan, hulklying, Northstar etc and making them straight. It's not the characters personality/behavior etc. It's the writers agenda. Having more gay characters is fine but hijacking established ones to make them gay/bi/trans/non-binary/etc isn't good. For fans or the industry. The writers want to have a popular gay character without having to put any effort into the character. That's why you see it being done to popular characters.
@@Tyler_Lalonde- I agree, it s perversion of established characters, it s cheap, quick, and easy, if it s important, work for it! build a new character, don t be a parasite!
A company is trying to tell the world that they are inclusive and value acceptance, why is that ever a bad thing and how does this ever affect you? It doesn't.
@privateprivate31337 i agree. The only possible bad thing I could find is when companies do stuff like this, but solely for their own profit, rather than actual solidarity with a certain community. I always see performative companies express support for inclusive values but then do a full 180 and fund other nefarious companies that are actively and outwardly against inclusivity.
Since I have no horse in this race. I have to say. IDGAF. It’s not my business. I’m not promoting anything buy buying there product. I also have family member that are. I love my family and I think if some people have family or friends which is most likely they should do well to know how to act. End of the day not my business. Imma stay in my lane. We should all allow others to live and search for their happiness so long as they aren’t hurting others. These are adults. So having said that. Happy pride to those that celebrate it. Especially to my family members. I love you fam. God bless have a good day.
First people should ask do they actually care. And notice the flag that's being used isn't the rainbow one anymore. Because it's not about acceptance anymore. It's about ideology. Sexuality is one thing but the rest of the colors that have been added are directly a result of ideology. How does a rainbow the spectrum of colors not already represent everyone.
Very true. It seems like most negative commenters feel that if someone supports pride they then don’t support straight or something else. I don’t see how saying we accept everyone is ever a bad thing.
@@thestrongcollectors what about people in the world who believe incest should be ok? Do we say hey whatever tickles your taint do what you want and we accept them? This dei crap is the new participation trophy for people who aren't included
@@symbioticwolfkat1374 You clearly have poor reading comprehension as well, I said you're pretending to speak for all gay people. Not that you're pretending to be gay.
An interesting topic to say the least but Hasbro of all companies shouldn't be promoting that at all since it's as corporately hollow as possible. To keep it towards action figures, female Marvel Legends over the years have had their bodies toned down for "sensibility" reasons (to be fair we are seeing more ladies with proper curves and anatomy but for awhile they were all on that same, skinny buck) and in terms of rep it's pathetic, we just got a Moondragon figure last year and we don't even have a Phylla Vell/Martyr, in the comics those two were a lesbian couple and yet nothing in terms of action figures. It's definitely a virtue signal to garner some extra ESG, DEI money. Also it's a pretty weird thing to do considering some territories absolutely do not promote that stuff, like China. At the very least Hasbro aren't making product towards kids with Pride stuff in it, as far as I'm aware.
I feel like the argument of Hasbro not actually meaning what they say is the best argument to not like them “promoting” pride. I still think a lot of the employees really truly care but the company itself I believe less so.
I think my favorite responses are the ones where people ask why Hasbro wastes it time on that rather than fixing knees, as if the person in marketing that tweets is also the person who engineers articulation. If Hasbto tweeted, "Tacos are great" people wouldn't say, respond "stop wasting your time, make better figures." You got to wonder who gets mad at someone trying to be positive and inclusive.
I don't mind much about what companies post on their social media because I don't have accounts on most social media websites and simply don't follow brands like a religion. Though obviously if they're endorsing some crazy thing like mass murder, I'll be fairly critical of the company in question. I think it's good to remember that pixels on a screen aren't a life or death matter and never will be.
Wanna know what would be cool? Release a donation exclusive figure. If you donate a certain amount to their partnered lgbt charity, youll get an exclusive figure for pride month as a thank you. Even make it in theme by having the figure be an LGBT character. Maybe a classic iceman? And i mean classic classic. First appearance where he had snow texture and only a pair if blue boots
We used to judge people collectively based on what they are. Now we celebrate people collectively based on what they are. That’s just two sides of the same coin in my book. When we reach the point where we both judge and celebrate people individually based on WHO they are, that’s when we will have truly progressed as a society.
True. I think that can be kind of hard to differentiate because the identity is an important part of WHO and what a person is. I remember taking courses for coaching where person first language is not welcome. For example most in the blind community would prefer that be a part of WHO they are as part of their identity. I would assume that could also be said for most communities. (Maybe that was a long tangent unrelated). But I get what you mean too.
Hasbro will make a Pride post but only go as far as making shirts (granted I appreciate money going toward the Trevor Project). Not that I specifically want LGBT themed release for any Hasbro Product, but it just comes off as disingenuous? Cowardly even (though that may be too harsh)? Lego has a Pride set. Jazwares has Pride squishmallows. Mattel teamed with LGBTQ artists for Pride for a bunch of merch. The Hasbro shirts are just very low effort and feel like an afterthought. I don't know how many people are actually buying those shirts, and I can imagine the diminishing returns on low effort merch like that will eventually lead to not doing any Pride stuff at all. As for "fan" reaction, it continues to be disappointing to see people so vitriolic. Like y'all touched on, one would think geeks/nerds would be more understanding about ostracization and bullying. Thanks for covering this topic, hope the comments stay civil ✌🏾
There have been several other comments about interest in specific Pride related sets. I imagine Hasbro would then run the risk of those who got so upset about the shirts having an even stronger response, but maybe they need to just ignore that and do it anyways. Any ideas on Hasbro products that would be cool for a specific release?
@thestrongcollectors I think if Hasbro is going to go with something as simple as shirts, working with LGBTQ artists would be the way to go. It doesn't even have to be rainbow merch. Just cool art of Transformers, GI Joe characters, or Power Rangers, but the artists happen to be LGBTQ and they still do the donations to Tevor Project (or LGBTQ charity of Artists' choice). I just think doing a rainbow gradient on a brand logo or slapping a generic support phrase on a shirt just comes off as a lack of effort. At least if they worked with artists in that community, that would show some effort was made. I understand the risk of doing a Pride product run of like Lightning Collection Solar Orange and Purple rangers, or working with Disney/Marvel for Marvel Legends of Sera/Angela or Wiccan/Hulkling. But I feel if they are characters that haven't been made before (or at least recently) and have a following, that is still worth at least doing a to-order run of them or a limited run of them. Even just announcing said characters during Pride without Pride branding is fine. Like we kinda got this with the upcoming ML Destiny announced, if they had done the pack with Mystique that would have been a cool thing to announce during Pride.
When it comes to children no sexual politlicly guided content should be alowed to come near them BIG NO, zero, zip, zilch, nada. its no the same when you are in a biology class and this is when you are old enough in high school. No homosexual or even heterosexual content should be taught to small children the idea of sexual choise is exclusive for the parents to teach their kids, not some random werido with a perverted sense of reality , this is called indoctrination, children are malleable easily confused.I dont think Hasbro does it just to keep that section of the LGBTQ+ happy, which i also think is a logic way to go about your bussines and just keep them happy, when you see their streams, and zoom calls you can see the gender they identify with with right below their names, hasbro does it also to get the LGBTQ customers. Companies in matters like these should remain Neutral. when a compamy gives in to this kind of propaganda is not good be it because they agree moraly or because is way to make more money, If I disagree im labeled a biggot automaticly if agree im considered a good guy that supports inclusivity, there is not third cathegory, you are either a demon or an angel. what if I say to you i dont give a crap what you do in the bed room be it straigh or gay, just dont come tell my kids about it.
Children can’t even be exposed to heterosexual content now?! Bold move, but let’s take it a step further: all children should wear blindfolds and earplugs till they’re 18. Just to make sure no exposure to any unwanted material creeps in?
That shows how fucking narrow minded you are that sexuality to you just is sex when it’s also attraction. Do kids stop having crushes in your dystopian sterile society? Don’t show your kids any films where people kiss or say I love you because they may start having GASP individual thoughts. You’ve fooled yourself into thinking your bigotry and censorship is sound but to a normal person you’re a psycho indoctrinating kids to just not think
@@sas_masterDeath Yeah, there's definitely a non-zero amount of married couples kissing in kids' cartoons. Are kids going to shrivel up and die from their parents expressing affection now?
To be honest with you I don’t really care because you know it’s not ideal But in the grand of scheme of things doesn’t really matter so I used to be pretty anti- woke” but now I just don’t really care either way My opinion basically is It’s not ideal to do that But okay I mean do you wanna be Gay be gay? Do you wanna be trans ok I think boycotting hasbro over this is kind of a bit overdramatic yeah, don’t feel strong either way
That’s makes sense. And I think if more people felt that way we’d see less of this. Not sure if that’s good or bad but I could see companies looking for the press. If you’re mad, you’re talking about. If you like it you feel like the company accepts you. It’s a win win when no press is bad press.
It’s not ideal to stand for marginalized people? And your pfp is Captain America, a character who had a gay best friend and accepted him
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Its kind of funny because i remember when nobody liked nerds either ...and yet so many are toxic to other groups now . Weird . I would bet the same ppl that dont like gay pride month probably dont like black history month either ...or black action figures or a female Captain Marvel or even a robbie reyes ghost rider ..hint hint .
It’s so weird that nerds wouldn’t be the most accepting. Maybe it’s something about they felt outcast so now they want others to feel their pain.
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@@thestrongcollectors you would think that logically ,i have often wondered why myself but i agree outcasts often lash out at innocent people ..like the school shooters do . Those are nerds too who got rejected .
@thestrongcollectors it's a bizarre dynamic, but one that also exists in other cultures. Like when minorities discriminate against other minorities, whether they are Asian, Jewish, Hispanic, or Black. Sometimes, they are even prejudiced within their own communities, for not being "Jewish enough" or "Black enough" or being Hispanic and not speaking Spanish . I've even experienced some of those things, and it's just completely counterintuitive because it's a subset of prejudice within a group of marginalized people doing the same shit to their own people. Make it make sense.
You're probably right... Calling out these minority groups or issues.That aren't really issues.Probably upsets the masses In some way... And obviously promotes division even though preaching against it
When it comes to the company I think you're right. Especially one that's publicly traded. I do think there is a layer to wanting to keep your employees happy and showing support for them is a way to do that same with the clients. But then again that comes back around to dollars for the corp.
Nothing wrong with pride month and rainbows flags, if that is something truly upsetting to people then they need to get their priorities straight, toy collectors are the last people I would expected to be so against it
If a company wants to make some profits from selling gay themed merchandise to consumers during the month of June, I couldn’t care less,so long as the company doesn’t blame the consumers if it doesn’t create profits (Disney Star Wars and Bud Light come to mind). That said 24 is looking pretty good for Legends collectors.
I think 24 might be the best year yet for legends collectors. And I agree, if the marketing tactics you try or don’t they are on you not the consumer. It’s not our fault we didn’t back the EOV enough people don’t want what you offered. Beast sold out everywhere because people liked what was offered.
Inclusion is cool, forcing people to hear about your sexual practices or medical procedures is not. There is a balance there that I'm not sure is being struck.
Would you include a brother and sister incest relationship with that? Just let people do whatever? What about necrophilia? You say be what you wanna be so you opened that door
@@Paul-se4wc Hey, if that's what you're into, then by all means, Paul, be that way. :D :P I tried to word it carefully, but I guess not careful enough. I was also gonna say Do what you wanna do, as long as it makes you feel good, and happy. But I knew that someone like you would take that outta context, and twist and amalgamate it. ;) :P lol
i have 3 kids, none of them play with toys like i did when i was their age. As far as Hasbro getting involved in that area then thats their decision.. i could care less. It isnt my company to run. I pay no mind when companies pander or get involved politically.
To each their own.. But I remember being upset when they had to say they're pronounced during Hasbrocon to make a point. Why is it certain groups need to make a point.. Which obviously promotes more division. I don't think it was necessary in a toy.. It doesn't. Matter.. And that's the point that needs to be pushed it doesn't matter.. Is straight, black, white etc.. Otherwise you are Is advertising or r promoting division.
I do feel like the statement of pronouns seems almost impossible to work in naturally. It seems like it could be part of their name bubble when it pops up.
If you’re dividing people by simple being respectful and educating then why would you want those people there? Why are you so obsessed to keep bigots happy?
It is curious to me that Hasbro participates in this type of marketing but never commits to making toys to support the marketing. What's the point? At the end of the day, Halloween and Christmas are the only two holidays that are guaranteed to have merchandise made. There won't be a Freedom Pack of Marvel Legends for the 4th of July nor will their be any Couples in Love two packs for Valentines Day. There's plenty of room for the company to do special themed products but more than likely Hasbro will make a t-shirt and call it a day.
They should never a part of this. Pride has become a new Religion and they want everyone to celebrate lifestyle choices that most people disagree with.
That other stuff(pride)we don't care we want action figures,like keep the window packages so we can see what we're buying,we want more penless animated style action figures,more stuff in the package for the buck, Hasbro need too stay in their own lane ,,stick with toys,, make are action figures better 💯come on Broth'a what's going on with them new marvel legends figures
@@thestrongcollectors buy the wave and sale /trade the figures I love that Dracula and Lilith the other ones are ok I could tolerate for that Blackheart,after market /Scalpers Alley eBay I'm believing that Blackheart is going too be kinda pricey probly close too the wave Price or even higher because it's a new mold ,,an I'm thinking pinless
i thought about that but buying the wave would be $150 before tax then each figure is probably only going to be $15 each maybe only 10 for a couple. that's $60+ for the baf which isn't too bad.
Which characters are you think of that they haven’t done a good job on? I haven’t had any issues with any that are out. I feel like it might depend on the art they reference too.
@@thestrongcollectorslook at toy biz. They didn't give a crap about catering to adults who read and bought the comics. They know adults are buying these things. Not 5 years olds
This conversation would be better if you had someone with an opposing view instead of patting each other on the back. Its more than just toys, parents should have a say and will shop according to their values. Hasbro should just stay neutral and not have any comment on anything political. Their bottom line can't afford to push people away.
I’m totally for companies and us sharing political views. I get that it hurts the bottom dollar but when given the option to make someone feel accepted, and valued or make a few dollars I’ll take the first option.
@@thestrongcollectors but their obligation to the share holders should come first. Why anger potential customers. Their job isn't to make a minority feel seen, it's to make a profit selling toys. I don't need a political agenda on top of that. Just stay neutral.
i get that and you're probably right that saying nothing would give less smoke than taking a side but who is the minority? the folks that are ok with letting folks love who they love or those you get upset at the idea?
@@thestrongcollectors Hasbro is not in the business of feelings. their main customer base is parents. Target made similar choices and paid dearly. Hasbro can;t afford that right now. this is why you should have a debate on a topic if you call it a discussion. What you had was an agreement with no counter point. I'm looking at this from an investors pov not someone with an agenda,
@@shawnhamilton8585You’re looking at it from an inhuman capital standpoint yet you’re so blind to not see how inclusivity is way more marketable today? Taking a stance builds brand loyalty as people see they’re accepted. Yet that just flew past you. “Agenda” so getting money isn’t an agenda but supporting human beings is?
Hasbro can do whatever it wants, people that bitch and complain about a company supporting Pride month are the ones that need to self reflect. I support a company being inclusive to it's employees and customers
Yeah they could be opening a can of worms with people coming at hasbro telling them they need lgb representation in some of the toy lines. Then hasbro will be looking like a Money grabbing bigot. So I think either way they are gonna get slapped with some negative comments from folks
I wonder if that’s the plan. Someone rights an article saying they support pride and people talk well, another article saying they support pride and people talk negatively. Either way people are talking about the company.
@@thestrongcollectors That seems like the plan all the big corps have now a days. Good press bad press it’s all good to them. At least that seems to be the thing. But what do I know? I’m just a poor truck driver lol
It's Sacred Heart month. Was that before the alphabet people and no hasbro or any company should NOT "celebrate" pride month. They learned nothing from Budwieser. Stick to making toys Hasbro. Hasbro, You say you make toys for kids yet celebrate an adult "celebration"? Are you grooming? Make toys and stay out of politics
I’ve never understood this argument of pride doesn’t apply to kids. I feel like for as long as I can remember aunts were asking if I had a girlfriend in elementary school. So to think kids wouldn’t want to feel accepted by the company seems weird to me.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
@thestrongcollectors An aunt or family member is different bc the nuclear family is more important than the community. A teacher shouldn't even talk about straight preferences to kids imo.
@raypaz2947 people get that scripture wrong all the time. Judging means we don't know or are the ones condemning to hell. We make judgments all the time. It's how you tell people they're right or wrong
It's not celebrating sexual preference, that's the label you are putting on it. Pride is about not being ashamed of who you are and who you love (not who you have sex with).
@jzachery who you love is a sexual preference? If you want people to feel normal, you shouldn't applaud them for nothing. If someone needs a month long celebration to not be ashamed of who they are, then I think that is sad for them.
I think it’s about more than not being sad about who you are. As far as a group that has historically endured some pretty hard times, it seems like it should be pretty acceptable they get to have a time to celebrate who they are after years of hiding and being discriminated even though they clearly aren’t still fully accepted
@thestrongcollectors they are fully accepted. In the media, movies, and high society all over man. If you want to give every oppressed group time to be acknowledged, I'm sorry to tell you we don't have enough days in the year. This is making these people stand out as others, and it causes more of a divide. There is no doubt about it. It says look these people are different.
Wtf I'm just trying to play with my toys, see some review$. I dont care for the re$t of the bullshit, I don't care, fix your shit, or I'll fine another youtuber, plenty to go around. See,wai$ting my time with this comments, oh I collect what I like, but I ran out of time, on what's my favorite toy line to collect?
I love politics and toys. Companies need to stop virtue singling. It goes back to nature vs nature. What’s next is G.I. Joe and Marvel gonna put each character pronouns in their bios maybe make up some new ones to provide equity diversity and inclusion. Yeah miss me with that stuff.
@@thestrongcollectors that’s an interesting statements. Do you have kids of your own ? because that would be one of my main reasons against any of this nonsense
I don't have kids but like I said in the video, when i was a kid i was friends with kids of parents who threaten violence if their kid wasn't straight. That's one of the reasons I really don't think we should be trusting all parents because some of them are pos.
@@thestrongcollectors yeah I’ve think that it’s unfortunate that parents would do that. conservative leaning parents ( there are no absolutes only sith deal in absolutes ) nowadays in 2024 ,have no problem with anyone that has a preference for the same sex and I would never discriminate or put my kids down if they felt that way. I think what conservatives are afraid of is the things that have potential to require surgical interventions. And they’re even more afraid because of the statement that you said earlier because what if your child believes they are a woman, but in reality, they’re a man and then the government wants to affirm their sexual identity and takes your kid away. I think government should intervene if children are being abused, but I don’t think government has the right to get involved in family life .
yeah it's a tricky subject for sure and i think gets more tricky with the points you bring up. I was thinking there should be 2 required classes in school or maybe just one but i don't think i'd trust 1 person to teach but just have a way right leaning class and a way left leaning class. Everyone gets exposed to both sides and maybe have some understanding of each other vs the big divide we see now.
I'm pretty conservative on a lot of social issues, but this is something I really don't care about. I don't get triggered when I see rainbow flags or anything that deals with homosexuality. Live and let live.🤷
It has seemed more strange to me why it would be considered a political issue. Let people love who the would like as long as it’s not hurting anyone why does it need to be political?
@thestrongcollectors Because people who believe it is a sin want to use political power to illegalize or suppress it out of public view or, if possible, out of existence. Grew up with those kind of people. They think they are "saving" people, the country, the world, etc., not realizing that the way they approach it makes the world worse and only increases disdain people have for them and the faith/God they proclaim. Take that single element away, and a tremendous amount of it changes instantly.
@@thestrongcollectors For me, it's how over the past five years the "inclusive" flag has come to mean that those who wave it believe you're a bigot if you don't support males in women's sports, prisons, etc. Which actually does harm women, and that makes it a political issue.
Thank you for being respectful regarding this topic. I like how you recognized the nuances of the argument. As an LGBTQ member of the action figure/Comic community entering new communities like yours can be frightening considering how common backlash is and your support is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for saying that. We’re glad to have you here.
I just want to say that I really appreciate you guys dedicating a whole episode to cover this topic, and that I happen to also agree with your views on the subject.
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Awesome. We want to talk about more than just the toys themselves. This is a thinking collectors channel.
im glad hasbro isnt just saying this and not doing anything, because they said theyre continuing their ongoing collaboration with the trevor project. i think thats good, and sets them above other companies who simply say "happy pride!" and sell pride merch, just for it to be in their pockets. hasbro actually collabs with a well known lgbt foundation, which is great.
Very true. I’ve never liked the idea of “would you like to round up” at the stores because they’re just asking us to make a donation in their name but when they take their actual profits and make the donation, that feels more legit.
Thank you for having a civil conversation about this. I am gay, and I assure you I have been my whole life. Growing up in the 80's was not easy, and companies would have never shown their support for the community. In fact, they did the opposite. It has made me happy that times changed, but it’s also becoming so commercial now that I’m not sure if it is genuine.
Hasbro is such a big company that not only would they have LGBT customers, but employees as well, much like Disney. So it makes sense to show support. I applaud this, but it does beg the question if this is really about inclusivity or monetization. Whether or not they actually care about us remains to be seen. Support has to go beyond one post.
What’s most upsetting though is the secondary hate we receive for something we didn't do. The gay community did't demand Hasbro post this, yet along with people being mad at the company, we have the usual horrible comments toward the community by default. It’s all getting completely out of hand.
People have God Given Right to disagree....
Yeah i think it sucks when a company does something and then a group that had nothing to do with that choice faces the backlash. some people just can't think past their outrage.
Oh and I read what you posted and I got alot of it. Be good buddy.
@@nothx512 Yes, and they have have a responsibility to not show such deep hatred toward another for no reason. That goes beyond simply disagreeing. When I pray I genuinely ask for that hate to stop.
Lol. Your right. Much if it is probably bs
It always bugs me while the superheroes comic always promotes the idea of inclusivity, equality and compassion, yet a rather unfornately large part of the toy collecting community on the other hand seems to disregard that. I am under on illusion that why corporations do these kind of stuff, but a gesture is better than nothing at all.
agreed. and i think a fair amount of the actual comic book readers miss the point of what they read too. But when you take that audience over the the toys you loose even more understanding from the source material.
I just ignore Pride stuff. I owned my own Comic Book Store and I welcomed everyone. I never cared about anyone's sexuality. None of my business. My gay male audience, was nil, as far as I know, but for a brief time I had some bi and lesbian customers who bought certain titles; Xena, Buffy, Charmed, and Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I always figured I was an oddball myself for reading Comics and later Collecting Action Figures, so who the heck am I to judge anyone?
You would think more people would have that attitude. I just don’t understand looking down on people for things that don’t affect you. Let folks love who they want, and have the collecting hobbies they enjoy.
I was worried when I clicked on this video. Ive noticed thats there's a large portion of the collecting comunity that have a chip on their shoulder about this stuff and as a gay man its made it feel like a lonely hobby at times. But thankfully there are a lot of solid good people as well and im glad you guys seem to be in that camp 😊
I'm sorry it's felt lonely at times. I hope our community for the most part is welcoming and inclusive.
Happy Pride
I think we WAY overcomplicate this topic. If people would own their own discomfort and/or be mature enough to realize that not everyone sees things the way they do, then they could treat others with respect, in spite of differences that bother them. Instead, immature people and/or self-righteous a-holes feel compelled to act out against others. So "Pride" comes along to essentially counteract that a-hole-ism and try to provide something positive. And sometimes in the process of that and due to the word "pride" I suspect, the a-holes feel like the world is now trying to "make" people gay and promote it, etc. NONE of ANY of that would be happening if not for the words and actions of the a-holes who cannot exist with people or things they find uncomfortable. How about we all just take "pride" in our ability - if we choose it - to not be a-holes to one another...about anything?! Then there wouldn't even be a need for so many counterbalancing efforts around race, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc because we'd all be treating each other with mutual respect. Period.
If everyone had the mentality of don’t be an a hole the world would be a much better place.
Damn i knew i loved this channel, thanks for your oppinions and views, this channel is awesome+
Thank you. We’re glad to you like what we make.
I'm a gay black man, and I'm also an action figure and doll collector. I even create and make my own high fashion doll's for adult collectors.
I'm not for or against a corporation claiming to be supportive of the gay community. It's the fact that a corporation exists to make as much money as possible every year. Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining!
Hasbro wants to make money, period. Full stop.
If claiming to embrace the gay community helps their image as their profits go up, then that why they did it. Do they actually care about the gay community? I seriously doubt it. I'm sure hasbro, like any large corporation, has alot of gay employees, but their goal as a whole corporation is to increase profit as much as possible.
very true
Well I can’t argue with that. End of the day it’s always about the bottom line. That’s how companies and rich people work. Happy Pride
Being open and inclusive is always a positive. I do think the way Hasbro goes about it is lazy though. They never seem to take existing or new lgbt characters and showcase them in relation to pride. It’s always just something that already exists like a droid or stormtrooper painted rainbow. Imagine a wave of figs based on lgbt characters or characters played by lgbt actors with pride branding rather than another rainbow stormtrooper…
NECA recently did a pride version of Elvira in a rainbow dress and it made perfect sense cuz Cassandra Peterson is an outspoken lesbian and advocate. There was a direct connection to pride, the figure came with new pride focused accessories like flags and a portion of the proceeds were donated to the HRC. Rather than just painting Jason Voorhees rainbow, they took the opportunity to showcase an lgbt actress and support a cause she advocates for. Everybody wins.
very true. I wonder if we would ever see something like that from hasbro. Doing a line similar to the marvel legends 85th anniversary program would make sense. A 2 pack of destiny and mystique, and other with Wiccan and Hulkling, single pack of Viv Vision, and Morph. It wouldn't be too hard.
@@thestrongcollectors Right? The characters and storylines exist. They’re passing up a perfect opportunity to showcase em.
The same comment about sexualizing kids is the same type of person complaining that certain figures or cartoon characters aren’t sexy enough. Are companies pandering absolutely. But there are also people that work for those companies (who are human beings) that want to work for a company that is inclusive and are doing what they can to make their workplace more inclusive. Putting up the pride flag should not ruin peoples day. What is most important is what is the company actually doing. Did anyone complaining actually look up and see what Hasbro is doing in local community, charity, or employees? Judge a company based on that.
I saw that too and thought it was a little hypocritical. Is pride too sexy but the toys aren’t sexy enough? I am glad hasbro has a real charity they are donating to for pride.
I have no problem with anybody’s sexualities or sexual preferences. I do have a problem with people and especially companies that I support shoving it down my throat. It just doesn’t sit right with me when a company that makes toys for children is posting and pretty much celebrating what certain people prefer in the bedroom. To me that should be private and only discussed with people you trust. I have no problem with any of it, I just feel like it shouldn’t be this mainstream. Just my opinion tho. Everyone has their own.
What about a marvel legends 2 pack of MJ and Spider-Man. Do you feel that’s shoving things down your throat? I get it’s a little different but no one ever has negative comments to post when Marvel shares a pic of them but heaven forbid if it’s a pic of Wiccan and Hulkling. (Not saying that’s you but that’s always been something that drives me crazy)
@@thestrongcollectors it seems as if I didn’t explain my point as well as I thought I did. I have no problem with gay characters. I would love a marvel legends two pack of Hulkling and Wiccan or Mystique and Destiny. My point is that companies that during pride month change their logos to have a rainbow color scheme and post something about inclusion and then once the month is over never speak of the community again until the next year isn’t very inclusive. If the goal is to make the lgbt community feel included then I feel that we shouldn’t celebrate them. We should actually treat them the same way we should treat anyone else. Pride month shouldn’t be a big deal bc it seems like these companies are treating them as abnormal. Nobody should be treated as abnormal. My point is that everybody should be treated and celebrated the same. There should be no need for a pride month. People of the lgbt community along with everyone else should be treated equal. We should all be treated fairly and with respect, no matter what you believe in. Again, just my opinion. Everyone has their own. Sorry if I offended you or anybody.
for sure. in an ideal world everyone would be treated equally. I think pride month similar to black history month, is about more than just treat me equally now. I don't think either group is treated equally as other groups but they are more so now than in the past. I think pride month is also about celebrating that the lgbt community can breath a little easier now than they could 20 years ago while still striving for the even playing field. We're closer than we have been as a society than we ever have before but not at an ideal spot. again maybe Hasbro is just pandering but i kind of feel the same about UA-camrs making videos of them doing a helping the homeless video. They're doing it for views but it's also putting more good out vs bad. Maybe it inspires someone else to help. I feel like i'm going off on a separate tangent there.
@@bigboymartyTo say there shouldn’t be a pride month is to live in a bubble. Years they were treated as less than, sub human and a disease now they can finally celebrate who they are and the many trials and tribulations to get here. If you wanna be ignorant to that because “What goes on in the bedroom is your business” (Newsflash, sexuality isn’t just sex) then fine
For arguments about companies "shoving it down our throats," which this one applies to Marvel.
Gay couples is one thing like Wiccan and Hulkinh. But turning a character like iceman that's been straight for 60 years and then have him be flamboyant while doing nothing but act sexual is going overboard. You can see the media support this with articles asking if he's a "bottom" or "top" . Which has nothing to do with the comic. It's ideological "journalists" with an obsession over identity politics.
these are comics that marvel try to market to kids and adults.
There are fans that like the change and others that don't. But I've seen one side get called bigots for not liking it. Hijacking characters to push an agenda isn't a good marketing strategy.
I totally agree that media making an article about top and bottom is probably too far. However I don’t see the same outrage when it comes to who she hulk takes home or nightwings love interests.
I haven’t read everything since iceman has come out (I’m up to house or x) but so far everything has been good and still having a character like him come out later in life is still realistic to real life. If they had all xmen come then sure maybe that’s too far.
you make me glad to be out of comics, I d hate things like that.
@thestrongcollectors he didn't "come out" he was straight. They hijacked him to make him gay. The outrage isn't about who someone sleeps with. It's taking a character everyone knows isn't gay and making them gay for an agenda. That's like taking Wiccan, hulklying, Northstar etc and making them straight. It's not the characters personality/behavior etc. It's the writers agenda. Having more gay characters is fine but hijacking established ones to make them gay/bi/trans/non-binary/etc isn't good. For fans or the industry. The writers want to have a popular gay character without having to put any effort into the character. That's why you see it being done to popular characters.
@@Tyler_Lalonde- I agree, it s perversion of established characters, it s cheap, quick, and easy, if it s important, work for it! build a new character, don t be a parasite!
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A company is trying to tell the world that they are inclusive and value acceptance, why is that ever a bad thing and how does this ever affect you? It doesn't.
Well said.
It absolutely affects anyone who isn't woke. You can literally miss me with that gay shit. Unsubbed
@privateprivate31337 i agree. The only possible bad thing I could find is when companies do stuff like this, but solely for their own profit, rather than actual solidarity with a certain community. I always see performative companies express support for inclusive values but then do a full 180 and fund other nefarious companies that are actively and outwardly against inclusivity.
It's constantly thrown in our face
Tell that to the 10,000 employees they decided to not include anymore last year. This is virtue signaling at best.
W thumbnail haha, happy mens mental health month to you both!
What thumbnail did you see? I can upload 3 now and UA-cam picks which one is best.
Since I have no horse in this race. I have to say. IDGAF. It’s not my business. I’m not promoting anything buy buying there product. I also have family member that are. I love my family and I think if some people have family or friends which is most likely they should do well to know how to act. End of the day not my business. Imma stay in my lane. We should all allow others to live and search for their happiness so long as they aren’t hurting others. These are adults. So having said that. Happy pride to those that celebrate it. Especially to my family members. I love you fam. God bless have a good day.
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First people should ask do they actually care. And notice the flag that's being used isn't the rainbow one anymore. Because it's not about acceptance anymore. It's about ideology. Sexuality is one thing but the rest of the colors that have been added are directly a result of ideology. How does a rainbow the spectrum of colors not already represent everyone.
Very true. It seems like most negative commenters feel that if someone supports pride they then don’t support straight or something else. I don’t see how saying we accept everyone is ever a bad thing.
@@thestrongcollectors what about people in the world who believe incest should be ok? Do we say hey whatever tickles your taint do what you want and we accept them? This dei crap is the new participation trophy for people who aren't included
Ideology is another word for RELIGION......I thought the Govt. and Religion were supposed to be separate
@nothx512 that's theology.
Ideology "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."
In short, fuck yes they should. Inclusion.
Short and simple. I like it.
I'm gay and they shouldn't.
@@symbioticwolfkat1374 pretends to speak for all gays. Adorable.
@@MichaelMillerJ pretend? Bruh.. you need proof that I'm gay? Damn
@@symbioticwolfkat1374 You clearly have poor reading comprehension as well, I said you're pretending to speak for all gay people. Not that you're pretending to be gay.
An interesting topic to say the least but Hasbro of all companies shouldn't be promoting that at all since it's as corporately hollow as possible. To keep it towards action figures, female Marvel Legends over the years have had their bodies toned down for "sensibility" reasons (to be fair we are seeing more ladies with proper curves and anatomy but for awhile they were all on that same, skinny buck) and in terms of rep it's pathetic, we just got a Moondragon figure last year and we don't even have a Phylla Vell/Martyr, in the comics those two were a lesbian couple and yet nothing in terms of action figures. It's definitely a virtue signal to garner some extra ESG, DEI money. Also it's a pretty weird thing to do considering some territories absolutely do not promote that stuff, like China. At the very least Hasbro aren't making product towards kids with Pride stuff in it, as far as I'm aware.
I feel like the argument of Hasbro not actually meaning what they say is the best argument to not like them “promoting” pride. I still think a lot of the employees really truly care but the company itself I believe less so.
@@thestrongcollectors Eh it doesn't really matter what the employees think tho. Which is why the attempt comes off hollow.
I think my favorite responses are the ones where people ask why Hasbro wastes it time on that rather than fixing knees, as if the person in marketing that tweets is also the person who engineers articulation. If Hasbto tweeted, "Tacos are great" people wouldn't say, respond "stop wasting your time, make better figures."
You got to wonder who gets mad at someone trying to be positive and inclusive.
haha that's what i thought too. I was wondering if they were serious or if it was kind of a troll.
I don't mind much about what companies post on their social media because I don't have accounts on most social media websites and simply don't follow brands like a religion. Though obviously if they're endorsing some crazy thing like mass murder, I'll be fairly critical of the company in question. I think it's good to remember that pixels on a screen aren't a life or death matter and never will be.
It always comes back to does the company think they can make more money doing one thing or another.
As a queer person I’ve seen this kinda bigotry my whole life. I don’t know why people have to be so difficult and get upset over a rainbow 😂
I hope that we get to a point as a society that you don’t have to deal with it for your entire life even thought you have up to now.
Wanna know what would be cool? Release a donation exclusive figure. If you donate a certain amount to their partnered lgbt charity, youll get an exclusive figure for pride month as a thank you. Even make it in theme by having the figure be an LGBT character. Maybe a classic iceman? And i mean classic classic. First appearance where he had snow texture and only a pair if blue boots
Great idea! But what about those who will protest because they don’t want to both support a charity and get a classic Iceman?!
@@thestrongcollectorsthought of it the hasbro way and it can just be rerelease him on retro card or in a pack a year or two later down the line
Always wondered why more toy companies who claimed to support LGBT people didn't do that.
I think showing people you're inclusive and believe in diversity is a good thing .
As long as it’s genuine I don’t see how it could ever be bad.
We used to judge people collectively based on what they are. Now we celebrate people collectively based on what they are. That’s just two sides of the same coin in my book. When we reach the point where we both judge and celebrate people individually based on WHO they are, that’s when we will have truly progressed as a society.
True. I think that can be kind of hard to differentiate because the identity is an important part of WHO and what a person is.
I remember taking courses for coaching where person first language is not welcome. For example most in the blind community would prefer that be a part of WHO they are as part of their identity. I would assume that could also be said for most communities. (Maybe that was a long tangent unrelated). But I get what you mean too.
Are you dumb enough to believe you made a point? No one is congratulating terrible people
Hasbro will make a Pride post but only go as far as making shirts (granted I appreciate money going toward the Trevor Project). Not that I specifically want LGBT themed release for any Hasbro Product, but it just comes off as disingenuous? Cowardly even (though that may be too harsh)? Lego has a Pride set. Jazwares has Pride squishmallows. Mattel teamed with LGBTQ artists for Pride for a bunch of merch. The Hasbro shirts are just very low effort and feel like an afterthought. I don't know how many people are actually buying those shirts, and I can imagine the diminishing returns on low effort merch like that will eventually lead to not doing any Pride stuff at all.
As for "fan" reaction, it continues to be disappointing to see people so vitriolic. Like y'all touched on, one would think geeks/nerds would be more understanding about ostracization and bullying.
Thanks for covering this topic, hope the comments stay civil ✌🏾
There have been several other comments about interest in specific Pride related sets. I imagine Hasbro would then run the risk of those who got so upset about the shirts having an even stronger response, but maybe they need to just ignore that and do it anyways. Any ideas on Hasbro products that would be cool for a specific release?
@thestrongcollectors I think if Hasbro is going to go with something as simple as shirts, working with LGBTQ artists would be the way to go. It doesn't even have to be rainbow merch. Just cool art of Transformers, GI Joe characters, or Power Rangers, but the artists happen to be LGBTQ and they still do the donations to Tevor Project (or LGBTQ charity of Artists' choice).
I just think doing a rainbow gradient on a brand logo or slapping a generic support phrase on a shirt just comes off as a lack of effort. At least if they worked with artists in that community, that would show some effort was made.
I understand the risk of doing a Pride product run of like Lightning Collection Solar Orange and Purple rangers, or working with Disney/Marvel for Marvel Legends of Sera/Angela or Wiccan/Hulkling. But I feel if they are characters that haven't been made before (or at least recently) and have a following, that is still worth at least doing a to-order run of them or a limited run of them. Even just announcing said characters during Pride without Pride branding is fine. Like we kinda got this with the upcoming ML Destiny announced, if they had done the pack with Mystique that would have been a cool thing to announce during Pride.
I honestly have no skin in the game so I don’t have an opinion but, this smells like plastic free packaging all over again.
Maybe. I never believed the story about the plastic free packaging hasbro was telling.
@@thestrongcollectors that’s my point
When it comes to children no sexual politlicly guided content should be alowed to come near them BIG NO, zero, zip, zilch, nada.
its no the same when you are in a biology class and this is when you are old enough in high school. No homosexual or even heterosexual content should be taught to small children the idea of sexual choise is exclusive for the parents to teach their kids, not some random werido with a perverted sense of reality , this is called indoctrination, children are malleable easily confused.I dont think Hasbro does it just to keep that section of the LGBTQ+ happy, which i also think is a logic way to go about your bussines and just keep them happy, when you see their streams, and zoom calls you can see the gender they identify with with right below their names, hasbro does it also to get the LGBTQ customers. Companies in matters like these should remain Neutral. when a compamy gives in to this kind of propaganda is not good be it because they agree moraly or because is way to make more money, If I disagree im labeled a biggot automaticly if agree im considered a good guy that supports inclusivity, there is not third cathegory, you are either a demon or an angel. what if I say to you i dont give a crap what you do in the bed room be it straigh or gay, just dont come tell my kids about it.
Children can’t even be exposed to heterosexual content now?! Bold move, but let’s take it a step further: all children should wear blindfolds and earplugs till they’re 18. Just to make sure no exposure to any unwanted material creeps in?
@@thestrongcollectors Holy crap you are missing the point of that statement , as I said before you are a red flag.
So just get rid of all love interests anywhere in any kids content? You gotta realize just how unrealistic that is?
That shows how fucking narrow minded you are that sexuality to you just is sex when it’s also attraction. Do kids stop having crushes in your dystopian sterile society? Don’t show your kids any films where people kiss or say I love you because they may start having GASP individual thoughts.
You’ve fooled yourself into thinking your bigotry and censorship is sound but to a normal person you’re a psycho indoctrinating kids to just not think
@@sas_masterDeath Yeah, there's definitely a non-zero amount of married couples kissing in kids' cartoons. Are kids going to shrivel up and die from their parents expressing affection now?
Optimus pride
You could help with the next round of shirt designs.
To be honest with you I don’t really care because you know it’s not ideal But in the grand of scheme of things doesn’t really matter so I used to be pretty anti- woke” but now I just don’t really care either way My opinion basically is It’s not ideal to do that But okay I mean do you wanna be Gay be gay? Do you wanna be trans ok I think boycotting hasbro over this is kind of a bit overdramatic yeah, don’t feel strong either way
That’s makes sense. And I think if more people felt that way we’d see less of this. Not sure if that’s good or bad but I could see companies looking for the press. If you’re mad, you’re talking about. If you like it you feel like the company accepts you. It’s a win win when no press is bad press.
It’s not ideal to stand for marginalized people? And your pfp is Captain America, a character who had a gay best friend and accepted him
Its kind of funny because i remember when nobody liked nerds either ...and yet so many are toxic to other groups now . Weird . I would bet the same ppl that dont like gay pride month probably dont like black history month either ...or black action figures or a female Captain Marvel or even a robbie reyes ghost rider ..hint hint .
It’s so weird that nerds wouldn’t be the most accepting. Maybe it’s something about they felt outcast so now they want others to feel their pain.
@@thestrongcollectors you would think that logically ,i have often wondered why myself but i agree outcasts often lash out at innocent people ..like the school shooters do . Those are nerds too who got rejected .
@thestrongcollectors it's a bizarre dynamic, but one that also exists in other cultures. Like when minorities discriminate against other minorities, whether they are Asian, Jewish, Hispanic, or Black.
Sometimes, they are even prejudiced within their own communities, for not being "Jewish enough" or "Black enough" or being Hispanic and not speaking Spanish . I've even experienced some of those things, and it's just completely counterintuitive because it's a subset of prejudice within a group of marginalized people doing the same shit to their own people.
Make it make sense.
You're probably right... Calling out these minority groups or issues.That aren't really issues.Probably upsets the masses In some way... And obviously promotes division even though preaching against it
@@thestrongcollectors nah... nerds wont accept this crap because they think logically.
People with values and morals care
That seems accurate
What exactly wrong with this again !?! What ever the issue may be, it ain’t going away 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Right
Gay good.
"that's the only message i'm trying to send"
Great video gents, I’m big on the whole ‘live and let live’ ideology, I just don’t like when things feel forced. Keep up the great work gents!
Good mentality. No need to hate people for being themselves.
You have to ask "why now?". Internets been around a while, gay prides been around for a while, but why NOW? duh cuz it makes money. No morality needed
When it comes to the company I think you're right. Especially one that's publicly traded. I do think there is a layer to wanting to keep your employees happy and showing support for them is a way to do that same with the clients. But then again that comes back around to dollars for the corp.
Nothing wrong with pride month and rainbows flags, if that is something truly upsetting to people then they need to get their priorities straight, toy collectors are the last people I would expected to be so against it
same but collectors seems to love hate too for some reason. or at least some. for sure not all.
If a company wants to make some profits from selling gay themed merchandise to consumers during the month of June, I couldn’t care less,so long as the company doesn’t blame the consumers if it doesn’t create profits (Disney Star Wars and Bud Light come to mind). That said 24 is looking pretty good for Legends collectors.
I think 24 might be the best year yet for legends collectors. And I agree, if the marketing tactics you try or don’t they are on you not the consumer. It’s not our fault we didn’t back the EOV enough people don’t want what you offered. Beast sold out everywhere because people liked what was offered.
@@thestrongcollectors Nuff said
Disney Star Wars and BudLight didn’t tell you to make videos of you harassing creators or smashing beer bottles in anger.
@@thomasjohnson1885 I’ve never done either of those things. Try your worst and I’ll do my best.
Inclusion is cool, forcing people to hear about your sexual practices or medical procedures is not.
There is a balance there that I'm not sure is being struck.
We’re forced to constantly see heterosexual in toys though and everywhere else.
Be what you wanna be, if people don't like it, then it's their problem. :)
1000%
Would you include a brother and sister incest relationship with that? Just let people do whatever? What about necrophilia? You say be what you wanna be so you opened that door
@@Paul-se4wc Hey, if that's what you're into, then by all means, Paul, be that way. :D :P
I tried to word it carefully, but I guess not careful enough. I was also gonna say Do what you wanna do, as long as it makes you feel good, and happy. But I knew that someone like you would take that outta context, and twist and amalgamate it. ;) :P lol
@@Paul-se4wcAre you comparing homosexuality to incest? Because that sounds like a you problem
@@thomasjohnson1885 when people say love is love and let people do whatever they want opens up a giant can of worms dude
i have 3 kids, none of them play with toys like i did when i was their age. As far as Hasbro getting involved in that area then thats their decision.. i could care less. It isnt my company to run. I pay no mind when companies pander or get involved politically.
I know hasbro is more than just the action figures we collect but I wonder how many kids are actually playing with action figures now.
To each their own.. But I remember being upset when they had to say they're pronounced during Hasbrocon to make a point. Why is it certain groups need to make a point.. Which obviously promotes more division. I don't think it was necessary in a toy.. It doesn't.
Matter.. And that's the point that needs to be pushed it doesn't matter.. Is straight, black, white etc.. Otherwise you are Is advertising or r promoting division.
I do feel like the statement of pronouns seems almost impossible to work in naturally. It seems like it could be part of their name bubble when it pops up.
If you’re dividing people by simple being respectful and educating then why would you want those people there? Why are you so obsessed to keep bigots happy?
It is curious to me that Hasbro participates in this type of marketing but never commits to making toys to support the marketing. What's the point?
At the end of the day, Halloween and Christmas are the only two holidays that are guaranteed to have merchandise made. There won't be a Freedom Pack of Marvel Legends for the 4th of July nor will their be any Couples in Love two packs for Valentines Day. There's plenty of room for the company to do special themed products but more than likely Hasbro will make a t-shirt and call it a day.
I really thought the rogue and destiny 2 pack was a big miss not making it destiny and mystique 2 pack during pride month.
@@thestrongcollectors that's exactly the point I was making 👏👏👏
They should never a part of this. Pride has become a new Religion and they want everyone to celebrate lifestyle choices that most people disagree with.
I think most people would disagree most people disagree.
Why doesn't Hasbro acknowledge the hedro people that support them too? We're talking about equality right????
probably because hedros are and have been constantly recognized for all time. do we really need more recognition?
Tell me when you were beaten, bullied and killed for liking women.
That other stuff(pride)we don't care we want action figures,like keep the window packages so we can see what we're buying,we want more penless animated style action figures,more stuff in the package for the buck, Hasbro need too stay in their own lane ,,stick with toys,, make are action figures better 💯come on Broth'a what's going on with them new marvel legends figures
I feel like recently the legends have stepped it up big time. Compared to what we were getting a couple years ago I’m happy.
@@thestrongcollectors yes that new wave is awesome Dracula, Lilith,that build a figure,Blackheart that wave is a must
I really love the baf. Not sure how i'll get him cause i don't want the figures in the wave.
@@thestrongcollectors buy the wave and sale /trade the figures I love that Dracula and Lilith the other ones are ok I could tolerate for that Blackheart,after market /Scalpers Alley eBay I'm believing that Blackheart is going too be kinda pricey probly close too the wave Price or even higher because it's a new mold ,,an I'm thinking pinless
i thought about that but buying the wave would be $150 before tax then each figure is probably only going to be $15 each maybe only 10 for a couple. that's $60+ for the baf which isn't too bad.
I wanna know why they dont make female characters have the comic proportions cuz they say theyre maming kids toys then pull this crap.
Some of that might be due to licensors like Disney wanting to keep things PG.
Which characters are you think of that they haven’t done a good job on? I haven’t had any issues with any that are out. I feel like it might depend on the art they reference too.
@@thestrongcollectorslook at toy biz. They didn't give a crap about catering to adults who read and bought the comics. They know adults are buying these things. Not 5 years olds
toybiz doesn't make toys anymore.
Transformers
that story writes itself.
This conversation would be better if you had someone with an opposing view instead of patting each other on the back. Its more than just toys, parents should have a say and will shop according to their values. Hasbro should just stay neutral and not have any comment on anything political. Their bottom line can't afford to push people away.
I’m totally for companies and us sharing political views. I get that it hurts the bottom dollar but when given the option to make someone feel accepted, and valued or make a few dollars I’ll take the first option.
@@thestrongcollectors but their obligation to the share holders should come first. Why anger potential customers. Their job isn't to make a minority feel seen, it's to make a profit selling toys. I don't need a political agenda on top of that. Just stay neutral.
i get that and you're probably right that saying nothing would give less smoke than taking a side but who is the minority? the folks that are ok with letting folks love who they love or those you get upset at the idea?
@@thestrongcollectors Hasbro is not in the business of feelings. their main customer base is parents. Target made similar choices and paid dearly. Hasbro can;t afford that right now. this is why you should have a debate on a topic if you call it a discussion. What you had was an agreement with no counter point. I'm looking at this from an investors pov not someone with an agenda,
@@shawnhamilton8585You’re looking at it from an inhuman capital standpoint yet you’re so blind to not see how inclusivity is way more marketable today? Taking a stance builds brand loyalty as people see they’re accepted. Yet that just flew past you. “Agenda” so getting money isn’t an agenda but supporting human beings is?
Why not just give us lgbt character action figures like North Star and Wiccan
We really do need a new Wiccan. The ToyBiz one is cool but it’s time for an update.
Hasbro can do whatever it wants, people that bitch and complain about a company supporting Pride month are the ones that need to self reflect. I support a company being inclusive to it's employees and customers
For true
they're mutants
Hasbro?
@@thestrongcollectors no, my parents
Yeah they could be opening a can of worms with people coming at hasbro telling them they need lgb representation in some of the toy lines. Then hasbro will be looking like a Money grabbing bigot. So I think either way they are gonna get slapped with some negative comments from folks
I wonder if that’s the plan. Someone rights an article saying they support pride and people talk well, another article saying they support pride and people talk negatively. Either way people are talking about the company.
@@thestrongcollectors
That seems like the plan all the big corps have now a days. Good press bad press it’s all good to them. At least that seems to be the thing. But what do I know? I’m just a poor truck driver lol
I feel like that really has become the case in recent years.
It's Sacred Heart month. Was that before the alphabet people and no hasbro or any company should NOT "celebrate" pride month. They learned nothing from Budwieser. Stick to making toys Hasbro. Hasbro, You say you make toys for kids yet celebrate an adult "celebration"? Are you grooming? Make toys and stay out of politics
I’ve never understood this argument of pride doesn’t apply to kids. I feel like for as long as I can remember aunts were asking if I had a girlfriend in elementary school. So to think kids wouldn’t want to feel accepted by the company seems weird to me.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again
@thestrongcollectors An aunt or family member is different bc the nuclear family is more important than the community. A teacher shouldn't even talk about straight preferences to kids imo.
@raypaz2947 people get that scripture wrong all the time. Judging means we don't know or are the ones condemning to hell. We make judgments all the time. It's how you tell people they're right or wrong
Diff between normal relationships and social skills vs grooming kids for debauchery and s life style that is nothing but lust
Celebrating a sexual preference is odd. It's just putting a lable on something and pretty much says these people are different.
It's not celebrating sexual preference, that's the label you are putting on it. Pride is about not being ashamed of who you are and who you love (not who you have sex with).
@jzachery who you love is a sexual preference? If you want people to feel normal, you shouldn't applaud them for nothing. If someone needs a month long celebration to not be ashamed of who they are, then I think that is sad for them.
I think it’s about more than not being sad about who you are. As far as a group that has historically endured some pretty hard times, it seems like it should be pretty acceptable they get to have a time to celebrate who they are after years of hiding and being discriminated even though they clearly aren’t still fully accepted
@thestrongcollectors they are fully accepted. In the media, movies, and high society all over man. If you want to give every oppressed group time to be acknowledged, I'm sorry to tell you we don't have enough days in the year. This is making these people stand out as others, and it causes more of a divide. There is no doubt about it. It says look these people are different.
if only we could all live in this world full acceptance you see. sadly that's not the case.
Wtf I'm just trying to play with my toys, see some review$. I dont care for the re$t of the bullshit, I don't care, fix your shit, or I'll fine another youtuber, plenty to go around.
See,wai$ting my time with this comments, oh I collect what I like, but I ran out of time, on what's my favorite toy line to collect?
We like to talk about our collections in a larger sense than just review toys. We get deeper and think harder.
I love politics and toys. Companies need to stop virtue singling. It goes back to nature vs nature. What’s next is G.I. Joe and Marvel gonna put each character pronouns in their bios maybe make up some new ones to provide equity diversity and inclusion. Yeah miss me with that stuff.
I don’t read many bios but I’m pretty sure most of them use pronouns.
@@thestrongcollectors that’s an interesting statements. Do you have kids of your own ? because that would be one of my main reasons against any of this nonsense
I don't have kids but like I said in the video, when i was a kid i was friends with kids of parents who threaten violence if their kid wasn't straight. That's one of the reasons I really don't think we should be trusting all parents because some of them are pos.
@@thestrongcollectors yeah I’ve think that it’s unfortunate that parents would do that. conservative leaning parents ( there are no absolutes only sith deal in absolutes ) nowadays in 2024 ,have no problem with anyone that has a preference for the same sex and I would never discriminate or put my kids down if they felt that way. I think what conservatives are afraid of is the things that have potential to require surgical interventions. And they’re even more afraid because of the statement that you said earlier because what if your child believes they are a woman, but in reality, they’re a man and then the government wants to affirm their sexual identity and takes your kid away. I think government should intervene if children are being abused, but I don’t think government has the right to get involved in family life .
yeah it's a tricky subject for sure and i think gets more tricky with the points you bring up. I was thinking there should be 2 required classes in school or maybe just one but i don't think i'd trust 1 person to teach but just have a way right leaning class and a way left leaning class. Everyone gets exposed to both sides and maybe have some understanding of each other vs the big divide we see now.