This is my 100th video and my very first COPYRIGHT STRIKE! Universal Music Group UK decided that 20 seconds of me talking loudly over the beatles was taking away from their ability to put food on their plate so they put a WORLDWIDE BAN on this video. I am reuploading it now without the audio. When you're done watching this, check out Adam Neely's video on why Universal Music Group SUCKS ua-cam.com/video/nryFmUjtwEY/v-deo.html
If a teacher can't use examples, HOW CAN HE TEACH??? A math teacher would have a devil of a time trying to get concepts across to their students... Excellent video all the same, even though you were way over my head :-)
"I was going to buy a copy of 'Abbey Road', but decided against it, because after hearing a 20 second clip of one of the tracks on youtube, with someone talking over the top of it, I think I've pretty much heard the entire album." - No One (ever)
I was going to buy several remastered Beatles albums - but now don't want a penny of my cash ending up with a bunch of dicks (UMG) who would ban a video like this.
Listening to the Beatles catalog is one of best things a musician can do in their life. They are completely ingeniously brilliant! But A LOT of of this new generation doesn’t like the Beatles or music from the 50s-80s and I’m really amazed at the lack of recognition and interest. That also explains why music is the way it is today along with the Music Business manufacturing the same songs rolled into a new artist.
@Chris Williams • a lot of people were wronged by the music business or agents to the point where the Beatles are very protective of their music for a good reason and it is understandable. Ignorance plays into the reason why people don’t experience good things in life.
What you are actually saying is that so many people don't know their influences. Mine are definitely the Beatles, Zappa, Bowie, but also more recent stuff that remind me you don't need much to break the chain like Arcade Fire, Superorganism and the Gorillaz. Moulds break. The collectors items exist because they do.
@Ja Kooistra • well yeah they seem to mention Queen or Bowie at times but I wonder if that has politics behind it. Sometimes people haven’t heard of bands from that time, but I talk to the younger generations about music and they will actually say things I don’t like Elvis, or The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Boston, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, etc etc and no one even mentions Grand Funk Railroad. Even Christian music was way better with Talbot Brothers, Keith Green, Phil Keaggy, Kerry Livgren & Ronni Jame Dio, 2nd Chapter of Acts with A band Called David, and others. But music today is far far from the music of the resent past and it’s sad how the language and art of music has been dying in the 21st Century. We need a total revival to music and musicians from classical to the classic bands to the modern music.
Hey... uh... Universal Music Group? I have never *in the history of UA-cam* seen a video that was more clearly qualified for fair use exemption under Section 107. Never. Ever. Bugger off.
heavyreynald well, there is a four-prong test that is commonly applied for fair use, and if you've got two of them pretty clearly that's generally enough. I am not a copyright attorney - and if following my opinion breaks anything you get to keep both pieces - but this is exactly what it's for, yes, educational use. I think a defensible case can also be made that it's not commercial - even if he's getting per click money from UA-cam for it.
@@heavyreynald Not what I said. If the creator of the content sues you for copyright, then a judge has the ability to dismiss the case due to fair use doctrine. It can only be administered within a court. Fair use is not a right, it is a legal ruling.
I would say that Beethoven was first when he wrote his famous 5th symphony 18-hundred something. Five in roman numbers are V and V in morse are 3 short and 1 long.
7:22 Oh, now I understand why the repost. I had this video on my "watch later" list and suddenly I seen it again on the top of my subscription box. Universal Music Group is just so, uuugh.. Hope they don't copystrike my comment for writing their company name on it, hahaha. Anyway, great video as always, Jake! The removed audio clip didn't affect the overall meaning and understanding of the video, which was flawless as always!
Sir, you are an excellent teacher--making everything seem like something I knew all along. Bravo! and keep up the good work. BTW, an arguably more famous piece in 7/4 might be "All You Need Is Love." To all who say the Beatles knew nothing about music because they couldn't articulate theory--Birds know nothing about flying because they don't understand aerodynamics.
Clicked on this suggested video on a whim, and now, I haven't been this intellectually stimulated by music theory for years. Enjoyed this video very much; happily subscribing now!
I'm an old guy and remember well the 1959 album "Time Out" by jazz great Dave Brubeck. "Take Five" was the most memorable song on the album written in 5/4. "Blue Rondo a'la Turk" another great song in the album was written in 9/8. In any event "Time Out" was pretty hip in 1959 and caused a lot of discussion among jazz players and fans. As an aside while not an odd time I love they way Lennon and McCartney inserted four 3/4 measures in "We Can Work it Out." For me it made a straight forward song interesting. Thanks for posting this and keep on keeping on.
I'm not old and I love that album! it blows my mind how the musicians manage these beats. "three to get ready" jumps between 3/4 and 4/4, and even crazier: in "kathy's waltz" dave plays a 4/4 melody on piano with a 3/4 drum backdrop! unbelievable.
Blue rando a’la turk is interested because brubeck uses and alternative grouping of 9/8, 12 34 56 789, for three bars before going back to the standard 123 456 678
I definitely think an important aspect about learning to write in odd time signatures is that you feel less limited in your compositions by thinking outside the 4/4 box. However, as someone who loves and writes prog rock, you can end up going a little too far and forget how to write normal 4/4 music that people will probably appreciate more. So achieve balance ;)
So this is my first time to your Channel. My initial reaction? DUDE, YOU'RE A FREAKING Godsend. With all of the bullshit that is on UA-cam, to find somebody who is knowledgeable, well spoken, and disseminates information accurately and in a method that others who may not be as well versed as you are I can understand is the exception more so than the rule. ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYou I have a lot of friends that want my knowledge of music. To hell with it. I'm shipping them to you. You do a hell of a lot better job than I do. Signed, subscriber and at the moment your biggest advocate.
Sometimes it's best to compose your line and groove first, then go back and figure out the time signature after the fact. In pop/rock/metal there's less of a need to actually put it into notation. Just a need to teach your bandmates how to play the passage without getting lost
I could listen to this man read me stereo instructions for hours and all my anxiety will just wash away. Came here for the time signature video & stayed for the hypnotic voice. 🙂🙃🙂
The moment you said swing for 7/4, before you even started playing, I instantly knew you were about to play Money (unlike with Mission Impossible where I didn’t recognize it until you started playing.
5/4 is much more common (at least in the Western World). That might be why it doesn't instantly remind us of some specific piece (at least not as easily).
This is the absurdity of copyright. Pointless and should be abolished. If musicians want to make music, go perform it. And others will buy music still if they like your junk.
Wait'll they start telling us we can't use instruments for playing music without paying them $.05 for each note being played. You know, "Because all the notes in the scale are in that instrument". The dumbasses... SMH. 🙄
The fact that he didn't mention Genisis, Suppers Ready, for 9/8 or that he didn't mention Zappa, saddens me. Although he came across very intelligently, and spoke as such.
Why dislikes? Young musician giving great tips Jazz musicians feeling betrayed they didn’t hear more examples of odd meter compositions? Baffles me. Love his content
I'm from India. I don't have carnatic music background. I saw this video and was very much impressed. Then I shared this video to bunch of my friends. Among which one guy has taken carnatic music lessons. He said and I quote "bro polymeter and polyrythems are like the basics for us. It's too common the carnatic music".
You'd be surprised just how common 9/8 is in world music, celtic music in particular. It's basically just 3/4 triplets, in the same way that 12/8 is 4/4 triplets. Lots of jigs in 9/8.
@@RalphAouad well in the case of jigs it's simple, since it's just triplet 3/4, but this channel has always had a progressive rock sensibility, and not a Celtic one, so it's unfair to say 9/8 is simple and the way he's teaching here is poor. 9/8, when played straight, can be a very unusual time signature, since it's note groupings can be uneven, like 2+2+2+3, or some variation on that. It's not as unusual as say 7/8, which will always be uneven, but it's still a far cry from 4/4 or 6/8. 9/8 isn't always grouped in 3 lots of 3, and when it's not it can be quite complex.
Yes, 9 can be divided in different ways. They’re all 9. One way I like to think about odd meter is to break it into indivisible sequences of 2s and 3s. So each measure of a 9/8 jig would be just 123 123 123, but 4 measures of Blue Rondo would be 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 123 123 123. Or if you don’t like numbers, just say “short” and “long” instead, elongating the word “long”.
Great video! I love odd time signatures as well, and the coolest songwriting-challenge with it is to make it sound so that most non-musical listeners barely notice it's not 4/4. That way you have best of both worlds: the power and feel of something familiar but the creativity and groove of something odd.
Absolutely loved this video! Music with odd time signatures has always interested me more than anything. A quick note so as not to confuse people, though, 9/8 can be used as an odd time signature (another great example is Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk) but it is far more common to see 9/8 used in compound triple meter. Many pieces have been written with this as the basis and it is fairly regular. Just something to consider. 😊
It blew my mind when I found out that Gorillaz was not a real band and I've been living in loneliness hoping to meet them my whole life to find out I've wasted it on a bunch of drawings and now I have no food because I spent all my money on Gorillaz merch 😱🤣
After watching a few of his teaching videos, this guy is the real deal when it comes to music and teaching. Real detailed, clear and knowledgeable in the medium and advanced areas.
When you talked about how odd time signatures can make 4/4 parts more awesome I immediately thought of "there must be the third and last dance" in Metropolis.
I love this video (really love a lot of your videos!!) and I just wanted to say thank you for the mention at the end of music from other parts of the world. As a music teacher myself, I think it’s so important to keep in mind that most of the music we study and musical rules we talk about are very Western-centric, and acknowledgement of other cultures is essential! 👏🏼🎶👍🏼
Soundgarden got a lot of songs featuring odd meters from Spoonman (7/4) to Never The Machine Forever (9/8), some songs like Head Down I don't even know what the time signature actually is in some places because there are like 3 drum tracks superposed on top of each others producing polyrythms.
If UA-cam had been around 30 years ago I would probably still be a musician. I took a lot of lessons on various instruments and classes on theory and composition. I had some great instrument teachers, but all the theory teaches seemed to go out of their way to suck all the fun out of it and make it as murky and difficult to understand as possible. There are a lot of great theory lessons on UA-cam, both deep explorations of certain concepts, and just quick illustrations that really simplify and make it all make sense. This channel is one of the best. People have so much more education at their disposal now. I'm envious!
Hot tip!!! On Spotify I just discovered if you search a time signature, you’ll find someone’s made a playlist of songs that fit that signature. Super helpful. So far I’ve listened to 5/4, 4/4, and 3/4 playlists to try and get more familiar with this. It’s helping a lot
I like how they think it's taking away from the Beatles, when in fact censoring this video will stop people who haven't heard them from discovering them.
It's alright. It gave me an impromptu reason to go listen to the Ghost B.C. version of Here comes the Sun which is probably my favourite cover of all time.
I know absolutely nothing about music theory and all I can say is that you’re a very very great teacher, thanks for making these videos and please don’t stop making them
Simply mindblown. I'm not a schooled musician, but I play piano (learned from empirical teacher at age 5), and self-taught in guitar and drums. With your videos, now I can be a little more analytical with my favorite prog band, Dream Theater. Thank you very much, man.
I thought he was gonna use Dance of Eternity as an example and try to explain whatever the hell that mess of time signature is but I think he realized no one can play that except the original musicians
My favorite example in 9/8 is Voices by Dream Theater. That intro is exactly what Jake described : a 4/4 bar plus an extra eight note at the end. I recommend you guys to check out that particular song. Simply amazing how Petrucci and Portnoy turned that odd time more musical
Tool is a great example of a band that uses odd meters very often in their songs. For example, in "Lateralus", the main riff goes from 9/8 to 8/8 to 7/8 all in a row. Its tricky to count but sounds really cool when it's done right.
My freind, you know your thing, you speak and teach right to the point. And most of all, you're simply real. Thanks, for knowing who you are and being confident about it all. That is what teaching should sound like. Congrats!
Not only did this educate me on odd time signautres, but it also helped me better understand time signatures in general. Thanks Jake you consistently upload high quality content, I truly appreciate that.
As far as popular songs are concerned, Peter Gabriel's Solsbury Hill is a hit all in 7/8 (I believe Money actually switches time signatures around during the solo?). Genesis wrote Turn it on again (also a hit) in 13/8. Tubular Bells has some kind of odd signature going on as well. As the 9/8 is concerned, I guess picking Supper's Ready from Genesis would be a better choice because it has a very obvious riff that demonstrates "9".
_Tubular Bells_ is 7/8, at least at the beginning. 2+2+3 as the basis for 7/8 also drives DMB - _The dreaming Tree_ and stretches of Rush - _Natural Science._ This is the first grouping I'll imagine if someone says "7/8 time" without actually demonstrating.
Tubular Bells is almost but not quite in 7/8. If you had to find one time signature to label it as it would technically be 15/4 (7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8, which you sort of hear as 7/4 + 8/4, hence 15/4 for a single time signature). It would be very impractical and improper to write it like this though, so it will simply be written as a changing time signature as in my parentheses: 7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8. Money is in 7/4 and switches to 4/4 for the chorus and also for the solo (as well as the brief pre-solo build-up). It was written in 7/4, despite odd and erroneous statements that it was written in 7/8 (which are incorrect). The reason which I can remember reading to explain why it switches to 4/4 for the solo is simply (and perhaps disappointingly) because David Gilmour didn't like the idea of trying to solo in 7/4. It's probably also just because structurally it can make sense for the solo to be in 4/4 because the choruses have at that point already been in 4/4.
Keith Collyer Yeah that is what I said, but what you're describing isn't 7/8 + 8/8, it's 7/4 + 8/4, like I said. If you read the first paragraph of my original comment I explain why.
Guys if this is interesting, check out Bicycle Race by Queen. After all the bicycle bells in the middle, it uses two measures of 13/8, which is very strange, and then a measure of 1/4(I believe) before returning to 4/4. Also at the end of Livin on a Prayer by Bon Jovi, there is a missing beat as it seems, a measure of 3/4 when it transitions into the last chorus. Not only that, but the key modulates at the same time!
TheSharkAnt Gaming & More, I’m sorry I just listened to it in slo mo and listened to all the beats. It goes from 13/8 to 6/8 to 4/4. Check it out it’s wild
@@Top10Dylan lol so toxic i bet you didnt think about the fact that my mom got cancer directly linked to the nuclear bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki lol gotem
This channel is truly a goldmine. Despite me not playing guitar, every single thing stated in this video applies to me and my instruments perfectly (obviously), but nonetheless, it is very easy to understand and comprehend.
Prog rock time signatures can be a ton of fun. In my second year of high school I threw my entire music class into chaos one day when we were required to bring in examples of musical compositions for each other to figure out what time signatures they were written in. Most of the class presented examples of common time. I submitted a Francis Monkman composition off Sky's Sky 2 album (FIFO) which started in 11/4 (actually alternating measures of 6/4 and 5/4), sticks at 6/4 for 8 bars, then settles down into 4/4 after a couple of bars of 7/8 at the 1'20" mark. By this time my teacher (who was attempting to tap the first beat of every bar for the late bloomers) had figured out I was throwing a rather complex spanner into the works and and with a "you got me" grin, invited me to stop the tape in favour of something a little less advanced. Which was a pity. I was really looking forward to watching her tap out the 15/8 section that was just about to start. >:-D
Apocalypse in 9/8 (part of the "Supper's Ready" suite) is a nice example of that time signature from early Genesis. Another interesting tune of theirs is Cinema Show...it's in 7/8, but, unlike Money, we're talking a really, really FAST 7/8...as a drummer, I have yet to play that song and end a fill without getting screwed up!
_Money_ is in 7/4, as is Peter Gabriel's _Solsbury Hill,_ but that is really just a matter of convention and notation. Another fast 7/8 that really grooves is Dave Matthews Band _The Dreaming Tree._ King Crimson's _Three of a Perfect Pair_ has a section in 6/8 alternating with a section in 7/8 (in clipped 4/4 format).
I was also going to mention Cinema Show. Incredible synth solo, all in 7! And very clever how they transition back into 4/4 at the end. They start playing a riff in 7, repeated a bunch of times, then they play the same sequence of notes in 4, and it’s such a subtle rhythmic shift that I totally missed it the first bunch of times I heard the song. Suddenly they were back in 4 and I hadn’t noticed when it happened.
It reminds me of a TED talk of a guy whom I don’t remember, where he talked about using beats to create melodic solo and now I see how a melody can take a beautiful shape by using the rhythm and emphasising sub-divisions. Pink Floyd Money was a great example and cheers to the Indian music reference. Indian musical landscape is full of surprises. 🎉
King Crimson, Yes, and Gentle Giant are kings of this stuff. For example, in Gentle Giant's "Just the Same," half the band is playing in 6/4 (keyboard and guitar in canon!) while the singer and the rest are in 7/4, and everyone is layered in one at a time to make it even more complex. GG is my favorite band, and the most talented group I've ever seen live.
I normally don't comment very often, but I felt compelled to because this video had a large amount of useful information that was condensed and easy to absorb. Not only was it explained well (especially with the song examples given), it wasn't unnecessarily drawn out. Good stuff! I'm subscribing for sure!
This is a brilliant video! Americans aren't generally familiar with eastern European songs, but they are very often in strange time signatures. A Madison WI band, Reptile Palace Orchestra, plays a lot of songs that are in weird signatures like 13/8. Great stuff!
I don't know how common it really is, but I know Iona's Bi-Se i Mo Shúil - Part 2, which has a long second part in 11/8, with a great low whistle solo by Troy Donockley.
"...If you have something off settling like 9/8 then all of a sudden 4/4 is going to groove really hard when you break into it". Great bit of advice there on composition.
Lateralus. The chorus consists of three repeated measures. These measures consist of 9/8, followed by 8/8, followed by 7/8. 987 is the 16th number of the Fibonacci sequence. The lyrics refer to various elements or produces of the Fibonacci sequence, for example the Golden Ratio and its associated spiral. The syllables are also grouped in ascending and descending groupings of the Fibonacci sequence. For example, the first few numbers of the Fibonacci sequence are "1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13", and the first lyrics are "black [1]... then [1]... white are [2]... all I see [3]... in my in-fan-cy [5]... red and ye-llow then came to be [8]... reach-ing out to me [5]... lets me see [3]". There's more than that as well, which I used to know about. It's really fascinating, and especially so because despite all that meticulous multi-layering of the Fibonacci sequence in various forms, the song still sounds amazing, lyrically and musically.
Sting’s “I hung my head” from his Mercury Rising record is completely in 9/8 if you’re looking for an entire song in that time signature. There is some tasty drumming going on that masks the odd time signature. Same thing with the Genesis song ‘Turn it on again’ but that one is mostly in 13/4.
If you’re thinking about it as an “extra eighth note at the end” (your 9/8 example) , I think most drummers would count it as “1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & &” to avoid the implication of a downbeat that thinking “5” could muddy-up. Same thing but... I think you catch my drift. Excellent intro to odd time video!
Very informative sir. I'm not a musician, I came hear to try to understand time signatures and polyrhythms after getting into Tool (lol). You're fantastic at teaching and explaining in a very easy to understand way. Thank you kind sir!
Hey, great video. The times in the description aren't precise, and there's a mistake in Home's time signature there (15/16 instead of 19/16), I guess it's because of the removed Beatles track.
9:52 I disagree. It's like that in the beginning when you're learning, but you don't really know how to play in odd time signatures until you can feel them internally. It's almost impossible to improvise over, let's say 11/8, if you have to count to 11 every measure to not get lost. You have to feel it. That's when it starts to groove and not feel "clunky" as you put it.
Well, I think you have to start some where, and counting them is the first step of the way. How else would you go about it? Legit question by the way :)
I actually don't know that. I've seen a clip where he's explaining and counting along to charts in the studio. Also, they use a click, so they have to be aware of when the time signatures change - which they do a lot in their music. So, I don't know. Either way, it's impressive. Would actually be an interesting question to ask some one like Petrucci: How do you perform complicated rhythmic songs live, and in the studio? I'd legit like to know that :D
kassemir - Did you read what I wrote and did you watch the segment of the video that I referred to? It doesn't seem like it. Your question has already been answered before you asked it.
about the seven two syllables quandary: try counting in French: just one sounding syllable... up to 13! eg: un deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf dix onze douze treize... groovy 13/8😀
Markus Grimm : reason I duly precised "sounding" and not written: quatre is pronounced quatr' , one syllable, then! (same with onz' , douz' treiz'... or quinz' seiz' : "mute e" in French😉)
Thanks for your reply, Jean. I'm aware of the silent 'e'. It's the 'tr' at the end of the spoken quatre that in my opinion makes it more like one-and-a-half syllables. No offense though. :)
方圆 : definitely the same in French French: quatre is generally heard as "quat' " (think of the French translation of Brecht's Drei Grishen Oper: " L'Opéra de quat'sous ")
Realized I’d seen this before but still continued to the end. The ease of counting is impressive, so is the clear as a bell delivery of all that info in such a short video. *hits subscribe button*
Been playing for years now, entirely self taught, but I hit a wall where I have a hard time playing different signatures. Your video Definitely helps break it down especially for someone who doesn't know much of the music theory aspect
I have a question about 6/8. It seems to me that it should be counted like 1+2+3+, emphasis on every other beat, because they're eighth notes. However, everywhere that I've read about it says that it should be counted as 1++2++, which seems totally counterintuitive to me. Where do the groupings of three beats come from if these are supposed to be eighth notes, shouldn't 1++2++ be notated as two measures of 3/4, or one measure of 6/4? Otherwise, this is what I've been waiting for, thank you for putting the effort into all of these comprehensive, addictive videos.
I can't answer this, there are too many opinions on this topic for me to be of any use. I personally count 6/8 two different ways, either as 123123 or ONE and two AND three and. 3/4 I count usually as ONE and TWO and THREE and. 6/4 I usually interpret at 4/4 plus 2/4. What's important is to hear 6/8 with that bounce of 3 notes then 3 notes, and to hear 3/4 as a grouping of 3 quarter notes. But there are times that both are present, and the lines get blurry!
compound meter vs simple meter. its how you divide the beat if you feel the beat divided into 2 parts you are in simple meter. if you feel the beat divided into 3 you are in compound meter. there are videos about compound vs simple
Yeah, it's compound meter. Basically a long time ago people realized that sometimes they wanted an entire song or section to have a triplet feel but that actually writing everything with triplet notation was both silly and a huge waste of resources (at a time when very few people had access to inkjet printers, you needed to know a time traveler or beseech the alien visitors for an audience), so they decided it would make a lot of sense to just notate these songs using groupings of three 8th notes to each beat instead of two. Thus 3/8, 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, 15/8 and such were born as compound parallels of the straight meters and as you can see 6/8 is the parallel to 2/4 which is why it's so common for people to count it that way. So it really just comes down to how you feel the beat and what notation helps best describe this, but It's probably not something that would come up that often unless you are reading music someone else has written. Personally, my opinion is that if you're doing a lot of mixed meter stuff it's easiest to just reduce everything to the simplest terms and keep a steady quarter note so I'd always write something like the bar in the Beatles song as a 3/4 and would only use 9/8 if the measure were angular as seen in the example here, but that's just what's easiest for me to read. You can write or count anything however you want, it's all about the ease of understanding it when the time comes to perform or explain the music.
@Riley Der Manuelian Well it is not that confusing if you think about the pulse as 1 - 2. but count (1)23(4)56. Or like you would have song in 2/4 but always with triplets.
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This is my 100th video and my very first COPYRIGHT STRIKE! Universal Music Group UK decided that 20 seconds of me talking loudly over the beatles was taking away from their ability to put food on their plate so they put a WORLDWIDE BAN on this video. I am reuploading it now without the audio. When you're done watching this, check out Adam Neely's video on why Universal Music Group SUCKS ua-cam.com/video/nryFmUjtwEY/v-deo.html
Signals Music Studio I hear you, man, very frustrating. And check this one out too from Rick Beato: ua-cam.com/video/QoTl9V8cjH0/v-deo.html
If a teacher can't use examples, HOW CAN HE TEACH???
A math teacher would have a devil of a time trying to get concepts across to their students...
Excellent video all the same, even though you were way over my head :-)
Surely YT has an appeal procedure? That's ridiculous.
That is disgusting. No comments.
"Ban, ban, ban, here it comes..."
"I was going to buy a copy of 'Abbey Road', but decided against it, because after hearing a 20 second clip of one of the tracks on youtube, with someone talking over the top of it, I think I've pretty much heard the entire album." - No One (ever)
I was going to buy several remastered Beatles albums - but now don't want a penny of my cash ending up with a bunch of dicks (UMG) who would ban a video like this.
Listening to the Beatles catalog is one of best things a musician can do in their life. They are completely ingeniously brilliant! But A LOT of of this new generation doesn’t like the Beatles or music from the 50s-80s and I’m really amazed at the lack of recognition and interest. That also explains why music is the way it is today along with the Music Business manufacturing the same songs rolled into a new artist.
@Chris Williams • a lot of people were wronged by the music business or agents to the point where the Beatles are very protective of their music for a good reason and it is understandable. Ignorance plays into the reason why people don’t experience good things in life.
What you are actually saying is that so many people don't know their influences. Mine are definitely the Beatles, Zappa, Bowie, but also more recent stuff that remind me you don't need much to break the chain like Arcade Fire, Superorganism and the Gorillaz. Moulds break. The collectors items exist because they do.
@Ja Kooistra • well yeah they seem to mention Queen or Bowie at times but I wonder if that has politics behind it. Sometimes people haven’t heard of bands from that time, but I talk to the younger generations about music and they will actually say things I don’t like Elvis, or The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Boston, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, etc etc and no one even mentions Grand Funk Railroad. Even Christian music was way better with Talbot Brothers, Keith Green, Phil Keaggy, Kerry Livgren & Ronni Jame Dio, 2nd Chapter of Acts with A band Called David, and others. But music today is far far from the music of the resent past and it’s sad how the language and art of music has been dying in the 21st Century. We need a total revival to music and musicians from classical to the classic bands to the modern music.
"But there is really nothing to be scared of"
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When someone can play that song on any instrument, they can really call themselves good at that instrument.
@@volderhamer James LaBrie can sing DoE really well so he's a good vocalist
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Shocked that no one else is fascinated with your ability to play on time while talking and thinking :P
Wow.... just wow !!
Great job by the way :)
Good observation i cant do that
Yup. I'm impressed! I didn't say anything cause I'm jealous lol!!!
Yeah, I kind of threw up in my mouth at how straight sick that was when I realized what he was doing.
It's the same as you can drive the car and have a conversation. He is doing it every day, it's normal to have the ability.
LOL, you serious?
Hey... uh... Universal Music Group? I have never *in the history of UA-cam* seen a video that was more clearly qualified for fair use exemption under Section 107. Never. Ever. Bugger off.
Exception being "educational purposes", am I right?
heavyreynald well, there is a four-prong test that is commonly applied for fair use, and if you've got two of them pretty clearly that's generally enough. I am not a copyright attorney - and if following my opinion breaks anything you get to keep both pieces - but this is exactly what it's for, yes, educational use.
I think a defensible case can also be made that it's not commercial - even if he's getting per click money from UA-cam for it.
Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.
So I have to go to court every time I want to make a UA-cam vid. I can understand the law but it's pointless and I cant agree with that .
@@heavyreynald Not what I said. If the creator of the content sues you for copyright, then a judge has the ability to dismiss the case due to fair use doctrine. It can only be administered within a court. Fair use is not a right, it is a legal ruling.
man, you're the best music theory presenter i've heard so far
check out zombieguitar tutorial, i think those channel is easier to understand
"but there's really nothing to be scared of"
*Dance of Eternity*
"Schism" by Tool is full of different odd time signatures, including 7/4, 5/8, 9/8, 11/8, 13/8 and 15/8.
*laugh in the dance of eternity
Lateralus too.
@@eattherex2571 lmao
Damn, you beat me to it. Tool are mathematical geniuses, who also are great musicians.
That is pretty much nothing compared to dream theater
Actually... Mission Imposible riff is "- - . ." wich in Morse is "MI"
holy shit! I didn't know that, that's pretty incredible! I thought YYZ was the first popular instance of morse used as music.
I wonder if Lalo knew that.
Holy what the fuck
I would say that Beethoven was first when he wrote his famous 5th symphony 18-hundred something. Five in roman numbers are V and V in morse are 3 short and 1 long.
Actually, the letter V was "morsed" to ...- because of the V Symphony
Really like that you use "real life" examples of each time signature so we can tell what each one sounds like & how it feels.
7:22 Oh, now I understand why the repost. I had this video on my "watch later" list and suddenly I seen it again on the top of my subscription box. Universal Music Group is just so, uuugh.. Hope they don't copystrike my comment for writing their company name on it, hahaha. Anyway, great video as always, Jake! The removed audio clip didn't affect the overall meaning and understanding of the video, which was flawless as always!
Sir, you are an excellent teacher--making everything seem like something I knew all along. Bravo! and keep up the good work.
BTW, an arguably more famous piece in 7/4 might be "All You Need Is Love."
To all who say the Beatles knew nothing about music because they couldn't articulate theory--Birds know nothing about flying because they don't understand aerodynamics.
Thanks. Ive always wondered if i would have been a better musician if i had learned theory. Sometimes felt inferior for it.
Clicked on this suggested video on a whim, and now, I haven't been this intellectually stimulated by music theory for years.
Enjoyed this video very much; happily subscribing now!
I'm an old guy and remember well the 1959 album "Time Out" by jazz great Dave Brubeck.
"Take Five" was the most memorable song on the album written in 5/4.
"Blue Rondo a'la Turk" another great song in the album was written in 9/8.
In any event "Time Out" was pretty hip in 1959 and caused a lot of discussion among jazz players and fans.
As an aside while not an odd time I love they way Lennon and McCartney inserted four 3/4 measures in "We Can Work it Out." For me it made a straight forward song interesting.
Thanks for posting this and keep on keeping on.
I'm not old and I love that album! it blows my mind how the musicians manage these beats. "three to get ready" jumps between 3/4 and 4/4, and even crazier: in "kathy's waltz" dave plays a 4/4 melody on piano with a 3/4 drum backdrop! unbelievable.
Ant-Man uses 7/4
Blue rando a’la turk is interested because brubeck uses and alternative grouping of 9/8, 12 34 56 789, for three bars before going back to the standard 123 456 678
I definitely think an important aspect about learning to write in odd time signatures is that you feel less limited in your compositions by thinking outside the 4/4 box. However, as someone who loves and writes prog rock, you can end up going a little too far and forget how to write normal 4/4 music that people will probably appreciate more. So achieve balance ;)
This is one of the wisest music compositional advice
So this is my first time to your Channel.
My initial reaction? DUDE, YOU'RE A FREAKING Godsend.
With all of the bullshit that is on UA-cam, to find somebody who is knowledgeable, well spoken, and disseminates information accurately and in a method that others who may not be as well versed as you are I can understand is the exception more so than the rule.
ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYou
I have a lot of friends that want my knowledge of music. To hell with it. I'm shipping them to you. You do a hell of a lot better job than I do. Signed, subscriber and at the moment your biggest advocate.
Sometimes it's best to compose your line and groove first, then go back and figure out the time signature after the fact. In pop/rock/metal there's less of a need to actually put it into notation. Just a need to teach your bandmates how to play the passage without getting lost
Fucking awesome comment, noted.
Wise advice.
Depending on your audience, odd / mixed meter stuff can throw your audience off.
And most musicians can't count.
9/8: Debussy “Clair de lune”, Genesis “Apocalypse in 9/8”.
Also genesis cinema show in 7/8
I could listen to this man read me stereo instructions for hours and all my anxiety will just wash away. Came here for the time signature video & stayed for the hypnotic voice. 🙂🙃🙂
6:07 9/8 Is pretty common in classical western music. But the pulse is subdivided in 3.
Have an example?
@@justindzaClaire de lune by debussy ua-cam.com/video/FoD_AxKoJDs/v-deo.html
@@justindza It's slip jig time, so literally any Irish slip jig. A regular jig is 6/8.
Ride of the Valkyries
The moment you said swing for 7/4, before you even started playing, I instantly knew you were about to play Money (unlike with Mission Impossible where I didn’t recognize it until you started playing.
I knew he was talking about money before watching the video.
@@Luaporleafcutterant same
5/4 is much more common (at least in the Western World). That might be why it doesn't instantly remind us of some specific piece (at least not as easily).
Came to say this.
Dream Theater's Panic Attack first verse is in 5/8
Great lesson. Ridiculous strike. How the heck are we supposed to teach music without referencing... music?
This is the absurdity of copyright. Pointless and should be abolished.
If musicians want to make music, go perform it. And others will buy music still if they like your junk.
Showing music sheets is also "violating" copyrights.
FriedrichHerschel could be fair use if the video is not monetized and not for profit.
Wait'll they start telling us we can't use instruments for playing music without paying them $.05 for each note being played. You know, "Because all the notes in the scale are in that instrument". The dumbasses... SMH. 🙄
Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.
Odd time sigs are a mainstay of art rock. Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Tool, etc, all thrive in them.
The fact that he didn't mention Genisis, Suppers Ready, for 9/8 or that he didn't mention Zappa, saddens me. Although he came across very intelligently, and spoke as such.
Zappa, indeed.
Also Gentle Giant, Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Yugen,
Jethro Tull, too-LIving In The Past is 5/4.
Soundgarden
Meshuggah
Why dislikes?
Young musician giving great tips
Jazz musicians feeling betrayed they didn’t hear more examples of odd meter compositions?
Baffles me.
Love his content
I'm from India. I don't have carnatic music background. I saw this video and was very much impressed. Then I shared this video to bunch of my friends. Among which one guy has taken carnatic music lessons. He said and I quote "bro polymeter and polyrythems are like the basics for us. It's too common the carnatic music".
You'd be surprised just how common 9/8 is in world music, celtic music in particular. It's basically just 3/4 triplets, in the same way that 12/8 is 4/4 triplets. Lots of jigs in 9/8.
@@RalphAouad well in the case of jigs it's simple, since it's just triplet 3/4, but this channel has always had a progressive rock sensibility, and not a Celtic one, so it's unfair to say 9/8 is simple and the way he's teaching here is poor. 9/8, when played straight, can be a very unusual time signature, since it's note groupings can be uneven, like 2+2+2+3, or some variation on that. It's not as unusual as say 7/8, which will always be uneven, but it's still a far cry from 4/4 or 6/8. 9/8 isn't always grouped in 3 lots of 3, and when it's not it can be quite complex.
Is middle instrumental part of Alexander the Great by Iron Maiden in 9/8?
And in jazz, famously, Blue Rondo a la Turk by Brubeck.... Not to forget: Take Five and Castilian Drums (5/4) and Unsquare Dance (7/4) - happy days!
Yes, 9 can be divided in different ways. They’re all 9.
One way I like to think about odd meter is to break it into indivisible sequences of 2s and 3s. So each measure of a 9/8 jig would be just 123 123 123, but 4 measures of Blue Rondo would be 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 123 123 123. Or if you don’t like numbers, just say “short” and “long” instead, elongating the word “long”.
John Brooking riding the scree - genesis is the best example of 9/8
Great video! I love odd time signatures as well, and the coolest songwriting-challenge with it is to make it sound so that most non-musical listeners barely notice it's not 4/4. That way you have best of both worlds: the power and feel of something familiar but the creativity and groove of something odd.
Absolutely loved this video! Music with odd time signatures has always interested me more than anything. A quick note so as not to confuse people, though, 9/8 can be used as an odd time signature (another great example is Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk) but it is far more common to see 9/8 used in compound triple meter. Many pieces have been written with this as the basis and it is fairly regular. Just something to consider. 😊
It blew my mind when I found out that Gorillaz's "5/4" was in 5/4😱🤣
It blew my mind when I found out that Gorillaz was not a real band and I've been living in loneliness hoping to meet them my whole life to find out I've wasted it on a bunch of drawings and now I have no food because I spent all my money on Gorillaz merch 😱🤣
After watching a few of his teaching videos, this guy is the real deal when it comes to music and teaching. Real detailed, clear and knowledgeable in the medium and advanced areas.
When you talked about how odd time signatures can make 4/4 parts more awesome I immediately thought of "there must be the third and last dance" in Metropolis.
" This one will last forever" ...
I love this video (really love a lot of your videos!!) and I just wanted to say thank you for the mention at the end of music from other parts of the world. As a music teacher myself, I think it’s so important to keep in mind that most of the music we study and musical rules we talk about are very Western-centric, and acknowledgement of other cultures is essential! 👏🏼🎶👍🏼
Soundgarden got a lot of songs featuring odd meters from Spoonman (7/4) to Never The Machine Forever (9/8), some songs like Head Down I don't even know what the time signature actually is in some places because there are like 3 drum tracks superposed on top of each others producing polyrythms.
I love Head Down that song screws with my mind
I was about to comment that this whole video could feature nothing but Soundgarden tunes.
Outshined, of course.
I came here waiting for some soundgarden's tunes...
Best fucking band ever!
If UA-cam had been around 30 years ago I would probably still be a musician. I took a lot of lessons on various instruments and classes on theory and composition. I had some great instrument teachers, but all the theory teaches seemed to go out of their way to suck all the fun out of it and make it as murky and difficult to understand as possible. There are a lot of great theory lessons on UA-cam, both deep explorations of certain concepts, and just quick illustrations that really simplify and make it all make sense. This channel is one of the best. People have so much more education at their disposal now. I'm envious!
Hot tip!!!
On Spotify I just discovered if you search a time signature, you’ll find someone’s made a playlist of songs that fit that signature. Super helpful. So far I’ve listened to 5/4, 4/4, and 3/4 playlists to try and get more familiar with this. It’s helping a lot
"AUDIO REMOVED THANKS UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP" , with staff notation provided I think the info is served.
Symphony X is a band that I love largely because they love to experiment with time signatures. Paradise Lost's 6-6-6-7 is a good example.
O cool, banning a music tutorial video for containaining music, genius xD
I like how they think it's taking away from the Beatles, when in fact censoring this video will stop people who haven't heard them from discovering them.
It's alright. It gave me an impromptu reason to go listen to the Ghost B.C. version of Here comes the Sun which is probably my favourite cover of all time.
Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.
I know absolutely nothing about music theory and all I can say is that you’re a very very great teacher, thanks for making these videos and please don’t stop making them
Simply mindblown. I'm not a schooled musician, but I play piano (learned from empirical teacher at age 5), and self-taught in guitar and drums. With your videos, now I can be a little more analytical with my favorite prog band, Dream Theater. Thank you very much, man.
This whole video I was like "I wonder if he'll use Dream Theater as an example?" and I then I was pleasantly satisfied at 8:36.
Okay.
I thought he was gonna use Dance of Eternity as an example and try to explain whatever the hell that mess of time signature is but I think he realized no one can play that except the original musicians
My favorite example in 9/8 is Voices by Dream Theater. That intro is exactly what Jake described : a 4/4 bar plus an extra eight note at the end. I recommend you guys to check out that particular song. Simply amazing how Petrucci and Portnoy turned that odd time more musical
Tool is a great example of a band that uses odd meters very often in their songs. For example, in "Lateralus", the main riff goes from 9/8 to 8/8 to 7/8 all in a row. Its tricky to count but sounds really cool when it's done right.
My freind, you know your thing, you speak and teach right to the point. And most of all, you're simply real. Thanks, for knowing who you are and being confident about it all. That is what teaching should sound like. Congrats!
Not only did this educate me on odd time signautres, but it also helped me better understand time signatures in general. Thanks Jake you consistently upload high quality content, I truly appreciate that.
8:56 self note. Odd time signatures back into 4/4 will give 44 more power/groove.?
As far as popular songs are concerned, Peter Gabriel's Solsbury Hill is a hit all in 7/8 (I believe Money actually switches time signatures around during the solo?). Genesis wrote Turn it on again (also a hit) in 13/8. Tubular Bells has some kind of odd signature going on as well. As the 9/8 is concerned, I guess picking Supper's Ready from Genesis would be a better choice because it has a very obvious riff that demonstrates "9".
Money switches time signatures during the chorus, I don't know about the solo.
_Tubular Bells_ is 7/8, at least at the beginning. 2+2+3 as the basis for 7/8 also drives DMB - _The dreaming Tree_ and stretches of Rush - _Natural Science._ This is the first grouping I'll imagine if someone says "7/8 time" without actually demonstrating.
Tubular Bells is almost but not quite in 7/8. If you had to find one time signature to label it as it would technically be 15/4 (7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8, which you sort of hear as 7/4 + 8/4, hence 15/4 for a single time signature). It would be very impractical and improper to write it like this though, so it will simply be written as a changing time signature as in my parentheses: 7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8.
Money is in 7/4 and switches to 4/4 for the chorus and also for the solo (as well as the brief pre-solo build-up). It was written in 7/4, despite odd and erroneous statements that it was written in 7/8 (which are incorrect). The reason which I can remember reading to explain why it switches to 4/4 for the solo is simply (and perhaps disappointingly) because David Gilmour didn't like the idea of trying to solo in 7/4. It's probably also just because structurally it can make sense for the solo to be in 4/4 because the choruses have at that point already been in 4/4.
Josh Burns I hear Tubular Bells as more like 7/8 + 8/8 - listen for the extra beat every other bar
Keith Collyer Yeah that is what I said, but what you're describing isn't 7/8 + 8/8, it's 7/4 + 8/4, like I said. If you read the first paragraph of my original comment I explain why.
Guys if this is interesting, check out Bicycle Race by Queen. After all the bicycle bells in the middle, it uses two measures of 13/8, which is very strange, and then a measure of 1/4(I believe) before returning to 4/4. Also at the end of Livin on a Prayer by Bon Jovi, there is a missing beat as it seems, a measure of 3/4 when it transitions into the last chorus. Not only that, but the key modulates at the same time!
I'm not really if 1/4 is even a real time signature.
TheSharkAnt Gaming & More, I’m sorry I just listened to it in slo mo and listened to all the beats. It goes from 13/8 to 6/8 to 4/4. Check it out it’s wild
This is legitimately one of the best videos on time signatures I've ever seen. Fantastic job!
This video saved me and I can now easily write music in 9/8, 7/16, 13/16 and 15/16.
Does A dotted note means A note plus half of it?
yep!
Signals Music Studio thanks a lot
If you don't even know that you shouldn't be here.
@@Top10Dylan or you can let people learn and stop inhibiting the growth on inspiring musicians
@@Top10Dylan lol so toxic i bet you didnt think about the fact that my mom got cancer directly linked to the nuclear bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki lol gotem
Genesis - "Turn it on again" top ten single in 13/8. Enjoy
Also Stranglers "Golden Brown" which alternates between 13/8 and 6/8.
Burt Baccarat’s “I Say A Little Prayer”..😁
Universal Music Group would put a copyright on 4/4 if they cool. Awesome video. I see that Korg Minilogue back there too!
This channel is truly a goldmine. Despite me not playing guitar, every single thing stated in this video applies to me and my instruments perfectly (obviously), but nonetheless, it is very easy to understand and comprehend.
Prog rock time signatures can be a ton of fun. In my second year of high school I threw my entire music class into chaos one day when we were required to bring in examples of musical compositions for each other to figure out what time signatures they were written in. Most of the class presented examples of common time. I submitted a Francis Monkman composition off Sky's Sky 2 album (FIFO) which started in 11/4 (actually alternating measures of 6/4 and 5/4), sticks at 6/4 for 8 bars, then settles down into 4/4 after a couple of bars of 7/8 at the 1'20" mark. By this time my teacher (who was attempting to tap the first beat of every bar for the late bloomers) had figured out I was throwing a rather complex spanner into the works and and with a "you got me" grin, invited me to stop the tape in favour of something a little less advanced.
Which was a pity. I was really looking forward to watching her tap out the 15/8 section that was just about to start. >:-D
I would have loved to see her reaction to the Dance of Eternity, what with the 108 time signature changes
"how can we parse them"; now you got my attention...
COPYSTRUCK! (ah ah-ah ahh ah-ah ahhh ah-ah)
Copystricken? 🤔
"I was caught, in the middle of a UA-cam cliiiiip......COPY!"
Is that for the damaged coda?
"Copystruck"? Isn't that a song by AC/DC? 😜 😂
Nunya Bizness oh man I should have made a joke about that
Apocalypse in 9/8 (part of the "Supper's Ready" suite) is a nice example of that time signature from early Genesis. Another interesting tune of theirs is Cinema Show...it's in 7/8, but, unlike Money, we're talking a really, really FAST 7/8...as a drummer, I have yet to play that song and end a fill without getting screwed up!
With Tony Banks playing 4/4 to Phil Collin's 9/8, great stuff.
_Money_ is in 7/4, as is Peter Gabriel's _Solsbury Hill,_ but that is really just a matter of convention and notation.
Another fast 7/8 that really grooves is Dave Matthews Band _The Dreaming Tree._
King Crimson's _Three of a Perfect Pair_ has a section in 6/8 alternating with a section in 7/8 (in clipped 4/4 format).
I was also going to mention Cinema Show. Incredible synth solo, all in 7! And very clever how they transition back into 4/4 at the end. They start playing a riff in 7, repeated a bunch of times, then they play the same sequence of notes in 4, and it’s such a subtle rhythmic shift that I totally missed it the first bunch of times I heard the song. Suddenly they were back in 4 and I hadn’t noticed when it happened.
I learnt so much about odd time signatures through Apocalypse in 9/8...
As someone who is starting to take playing music seriously, this video is a great help in understanding time signatures. Thanks!
It reminds me of a TED talk of a guy whom I don’t remember, where he talked about using beats to create melodic solo and now I see how a melody can take a beautiful shape by using the rhythm and emphasising sub-divisions. Pink Floyd Money was a great example and cheers to the Indian music reference. Indian musical landscape is full of surprises. 🎉
Just play the whole album of dream theater😂
*every
@@volderhamer dream theater is also the name of their self titled album
I was expecting "Voices" (Dream Theater) in 9/8. But nice choice!!!
Good call!I actually included that as an example, but cut it because the video was getting too long and I already had a dream theater example.
To me Jake's 9/8 tapping was totally reminiscent of Tool's lateralus!
Yeah, not sure if you know or not, but the chorus of Lateralus uses a bar of 9/8, followed by 8/8, and then 7/8.
Signals Music Studio Don’t forget Blue Rondo á la Turk!
King Crimson, Yes, and Gentle Giant are kings of this stuff. For example, in Gentle Giant's "Just the Same," half the band is playing in 6/4 (keyboard and guitar in canon!) while the singer and the rest are in 7/4, and everyone is layered in one at a time to make it even more complex. GG is my favorite band, and the most talented group I've ever seen live.
thank you universal music group for ruining another EDUCATIONAL video. god forbid a music teacher tries to play music to teach
I normally don't comment very often, but I felt compelled to because this video had a large amount of useful information that was condensed and easy to absorb. Not only was it explained well (especially with the song examples given), it wasn't unnecessarily drawn out. Good stuff! I'm subscribing for sure!
This video was awesome! Thank you so much never understood time signatures and no class I’ve taken ever broke it down as plainly as you just did.
All of Animals As Leaders' songs are in odd times.
CAFO was one of the first songs I thought of while watching this.
As soon as 7/4 was introduced I knew Money was coming 😂
Me too! I was waiting for him to talk about 11 and Whipping Post.
"bm pentatonic"
ok its pink floyd
Listen to enough Tool Songs and you get interesting videos like this as recommendation. :)
literally just listen to dance of eternity once and time signature videos flood your reccomendations
This is a brilliant video! Americans aren't generally familiar with eastern European songs, but they are very often in strange time signatures. A Madison WI band, Reptile Palace Orchestra, plays a lot of songs that are in weird signatures like 13/8. Great stuff!
Your impressive tutorial is always a brightness of music theory
Take Five
Seven Days - Sting
ldahui The canonical example, yes.
Such a smooth sounding song. I think I like jazz now lol, thanks
ua-cam.com/video/uwT_4HMmwzY/v-deo.html
Your voice should be on a radio broadcast 😁
9/8 and 11/8 are actually very common in Gaelic styles of musics
I don't know how common it really is, but I know Iona's Bi-Se i Mo Shúil - Part 2, which has a long second part in 11/8, with a great low whistle solo by Troy Donockley.
9/8 is slip jig time. I've not encountered 11/8.
Take Five is one of the best examples of why odd time signatures sometimes just magically blend into a fantastic rhythm.
"...If you have something off settling like 9/8 then all of a sudden 4/4 is going to groove really hard when you break into it". Great bit of advice there on composition.
Genesis - 'Supper's Ready' has a section called 'Apocalypse in 9/8'
Aahh, I see what you did there at the end of the video...odd time signature editing...wise man
laderalus by tool? its 3 dif time signitures in the drums n dude sings syllables in fibanoci. 🍻
Lateralus. The chorus consists of three repeated measures. These measures consist of 9/8, followed by 8/8, followed by 7/8. 987 is the 16th number of the Fibonacci sequence. The lyrics refer to various elements or produces of the Fibonacci sequence, for example the Golden Ratio and its associated spiral. The syllables are also grouped in ascending and descending groupings of the Fibonacci sequence. For example, the first few numbers of the Fibonacci sequence are "1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13", and the first lyrics are "black [1]... then [1]... white are [2]... all I see [3]... in my in-fan-cy [5]... red and ye-llow then came to be [8]... reach-ing out to me [5]... lets me see [3]".
There's more than that as well, which I used to know about. It's really fascinating, and especially so because despite all that meticulous multi-layering of the Fibonacci sequence in various forms, the song still sounds amazing, lyrically and musically.
Sting’s “I hung my head” from his Mercury Rising record is completely in 9/8 if you’re looking for an entire song in that time signature. There is some tasty drumming going on that masks the odd time signature.
Same thing with the Genesis song ‘Turn it on again’ but that one is mostly in 13/4.
If you’re thinking about it as an “extra eighth note at the end” (your 9/8 example) , I think most drummers would count it as “1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & &” to avoid the implication of a downbeat that thinking “5” could muddy-up.
Same thing but... I think you catch my drift.
Excellent intro to odd time video!
Very informative sir. I'm not a musician, I came hear to try to understand time signatures and polyrhythms after getting into Tool (lol). You're fantastic at teaching and explaining in a very easy to understand way. Thank you kind sir!
Hey, great video. The times in the description aren't precise, and there's a mistake in Home's time signature there (15/16 instead of 19/16), I guess it's because of the removed Beatles track.
Ha thank you for commenting on that, I'll fix it!
When you counted (1, 2, 3, 4), you sounded just like my old Yamaha keyboard.
You made it very easy to understand, the way you switched from the scales to the actual song was brilliant.
You are a fantastic teacher. I‘be always struggled a bit with time signatures and this has been the best video lesson I’ve ever seen. Great work!
Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Yes.
9:52 I disagree. It's like that in the beginning when you're learning, but you don't really know how to play in odd time signatures until you can feel them internally. It's almost impossible to improvise over, let's say 11/8, if you have to count to 11 every measure to not get lost. You have to feel it. That's when it starts to groove and not feel "clunky" as you put it.
Agreed...I'm pretty sure John Petrucci isn't continually counting to himself during performances.
Hehe, nope. Neither is anyone in Simon Phillips' band. Simon is my drumming role model and the one who got me into odd time signatures.
Well, I think you have to start some where, and counting them is the first step of the way. How else would you go about it? Legit question by the way :)
I actually don't know that. I've seen a clip where he's explaining and counting along to charts in the studio. Also, they use a click, so they have to be aware of when the time signatures change - which they do a lot in their music. So, I don't know. Either way, it's impressive.
Would actually be an interesting question to ask some one like Petrucci: How do you perform complicated rhythmic songs live, and in the studio? I'd legit like to know that :D
kassemir - Did you read what I wrote and did you watch the segment of the video that I referred to? It doesn't seem like it. Your question has already been answered before you asked it.
about the seven two syllables quandary: try counting in French: just one sounding syllable... up to 13! eg: un deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf dix onze douze treize... groovy 13/8😀
qua-tre... ;)
Markus Grimm : reason I duly precised "sounding" and not written: quatre is pronounced quatr' , one syllable, then! (same with onz' , douz' treiz'... or quinz' seiz' : "mute e" in French😉)
Thanks for your reply, Jean. I'm aware of the silent 'e'. It's the 'tr' at the end of the spoken quatre that in my opinion makes it more like one-and-a-half syllables. No offense though. :)
Not sure about French French (as in France French), but in Canada, we pronounce it as QUAT, no R nor E, so you can absolutely say it as ONE syllable
方圆 : definitely the same in French French: quatre is generally heard as "quat' " (think of the French translation of Brecht's Drei Grishen Oper: " L'Opéra de quat'sous ")
i know nothing about playing and composing music and you just blown my mind. why tube even recommended this video to me?
Realized I’d seen this before but still continued to the end. The ease of counting is impressive, so is the clear as a bell delivery of all that info in such a short video. *hits subscribe button*
A good chunk of “Barracuda” is in 7/4
SOMEONE CALLED THE STRIKE LMAO
Best Beatles clip I've ever heard...
As someone who is interested in music theory but doesn't understand it, this really helps me understand why I like certain songs.
Been playing for years now, entirely self taught, but I hit a wall where I have a hard time playing different signatures. Your video Definitely helps break it down especially for someone who doesn't know much of the music theory aspect
I have a question about 6/8. It seems to me that it should be counted like 1+2+3+, emphasis on every other beat, because they're eighth notes. However, everywhere that I've read about it says that it should be counted as 1++2++, which seems totally counterintuitive to me. Where do the groupings of three beats come from if these are supposed to be eighth notes, shouldn't 1++2++ be notated as two measures of 3/4, or one measure of 6/4? Otherwise, this is what I've been waiting for, thank you for putting the effort into all of these comprehensive, addictive videos.
I can't answer this, there are too many opinions on this topic for me to be of any use. I personally count 6/8 two different ways, either as 123123 or ONE and two AND three and. 3/4 I count usually as ONE and TWO and THREE and. 6/4 I usually interpret at 4/4 plus 2/4. What's important is to hear 6/8 with that bounce of 3 notes then 3 notes, and to hear 3/4 as a grouping of 3 quarter notes. But there are times that both are present, and the lines get blurry!
compound meter vs simple meter. its how you divide the beat if you feel the beat divided into 2 parts you are in simple meter. if you feel the beat divided into 3 you are in compound meter. there are videos about compound vs simple
Yeah, it's compound meter. Basically a long time ago people realized that sometimes they wanted an entire song or section to have a triplet feel but that actually writing everything with triplet notation was both silly and a huge waste of resources (at a time when very few people had access to inkjet printers, you needed to know a time traveler or beseech the alien visitors for an audience), so they decided it would make a lot of sense to just notate these songs using groupings of three 8th notes to each beat instead of two. Thus 3/8, 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, 15/8 and such were born as compound parallels of the straight meters and as you can see 6/8 is the parallel to 2/4 which is why it's so common for people to count it that way.
So it really just comes down to how you feel the beat and what notation helps best describe this, but It's probably not something that would come up that often unless you are reading music someone else has written. Personally, my opinion is that if you're doing a lot of mixed meter stuff it's easiest to just reduce everything to the simplest terms and keep a steady quarter note so I'd always write something like the bar in the Beatles song as a 3/4 and would only use 9/8 if the measure were angular as seen in the example here, but that's just what's easiest for me to read. You can write or count anything however you want, it's all about the ease of understanding it when the time comes to perform or explain the music.
That makes sense, thank you all. I'm going to look into compound meter.
@Riley Der Manuelian Well it is not that confusing if you think about the pulse as 1 - 2. but count (1)23(4)56. Or like you would have song in 2/4 but always with triplets.
Childish Gambino's "Me And Your Mama" intro is an example of 9/8.
Was expecting some Dave Brubeck :(
Or zappa
Yup, "Take 5" is the classic example of 5/4.
This is by far the best video on odd time signatures. Subscribed right away!!
Crushed it. Best instructional video on odd time signatures I’ve ever seen.