Understanding and Using Odd Time Signatures - 6 Examples [MUSIC THEORY / RHYTHM]

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    This video explains the basics of odd time signatures while also giving tips on writing them, and demonstrating various odd meters from different recordings.
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    Table of Contents:
    00:00 Intro
    00:36 What Are Time Signatures?
    02:30 5/4 Mission Impossible
    03:41 Quarter Note Odd Time Signatures
    05:21 7/4 "Money" Pink Floyd
    05:30 Eighth Note Odd Time Signatures
    06:31 9/8 "Scatterbrain" Jeff Beck
    07:22 7/8 "Here Comes The Sun" The Beatles
    07:42 7/8 "Classical Gas" Mason Williams
    07:55 Sixteenth Note Odd Time Signatures
    08:45 15/16 "Home" Dream Theater
    08:55 Wrapping Up

КОМЕНТАРІ • 2 тис.

  • @SignalsMusicStudio
    @SignalsMusicStudio  5 років тому +2757

    This is my 100th video and my very first COPYRIGHT STRIKE! Universal Music Group UK decided that 20 seconds of me talking loudly over the beatles was taking away from their ability to put food on their plate so they put a WORLDWIDE BAN on this video. I am reuploading it now without the audio. When you're done watching this, check out Adam Neely's video on why Universal Music Group SUCKS ua-cam.com/video/nryFmUjtwEY/v-deo.html

    • @seiph80
      @seiph80 5 років тому +32

      Signals Music Studio I hear you, man, very frustrating. And check this one out too from Rick Beato: ua-cam.com/video/QoTl9V8cjH0/v-deo.html

    • @n7565j
      @n7565j 5 років тому +56

      If a teacher can't use examples, HOW CAN HE TEACH???
      A math teacher would have a devil of a time trying to get concepts across to their students...
      Excellent video all the same, even though you were way over my head :-)

    • @KimonFrousios
      @KimonFrousios 5 років тому +10

      Surely YT has an appeal procedure? That's ridiculous.

    • @HectorGarciadeMarina
      @HectorGarciadeMarina 5 років тому +5

      That is disgusting. No comments.

    • @FaMinore
      @FaMinore 5 років тому +28

      "Ban, ban, ban, here it comes..."

  • @melodyhough3980
    @melodyhough3980 4 роки тому +222

    *Dance of Eternity:* "Hold my 27/36"

    • @sushi_tech35
      @sushi_tech35 7 місяців тому

      Entertain me (256/16): has entered the chat.

  • @rickard7031
    @rickard7031 4 роки тому +413

    "But there is really nothing to be scared of"
    *Dance of Eternity has entered the chat*

    • @volderhamer
      @volderhamer 4 роки тому +12

      When someone can play that song on any instrument, they can really call themselves good at that instrument.

    • @ayusharipirala3121
      @ayusharipirala3121 3 роки тому +18

      @@volderhamer James LaBrie can sing DoE really well so he's a good vocalist

    • @chrystalwayland3860
      @chrystalwayland3860 2 роки тому

      What About Confusion Girl Soflan-Chan Full Version (150+ Time Signature Changes)

  • @TheKut0klan
    @TheKut0klan 4 роки тому +594

    Pop: 4/4
    Progressive Rock: *YES*

  • @kfc_pog
    @kfc_pog 5 років тому +163

    "but there's really nothing to be scared of"
    *Dance of Eternity*

  • @rasputinsbeard3899
    @rasputinsbeard3899 5 років тому +2180

    "I was going to buy a copy of 'Abbey Road', but decided against it, because after hearing a 20 second clip of one of the tracks on youtube, with someone talking over the top of it, I think I've pretty much heard the entire album." - No One (ever)

    • @chriswilliams1096
      @chriswilliams1096 5 років тому +102

      I was going to buy several remastered Beatles albums - but now don't want a penny of my cash ending up with a bunch of dicks (UMG) who would ban a video like this.

    • @humanseekingtruth6080
      @humanseekingtruth6080 5 років тому +29

      Listening to the Beatles catalog is one of best things a musician can do in their life. They are completely ingeniously brilliant! But A LOT of of this new generation doesn’t like the Beatles or music from the 50s-80s and I’m really amazed at the lack of recognition and interest. That also explains why music is the way it is today along with the Music Business manufacturing the same songs rolled into a new artist.

    • @humanseekingtruth6080
      @humanseekingtruth6080 5 років тому +9

      @Chris Williams • a lot of people were wronged by the music business or agents to the point where the Beatles are very protective of their music for a good reason and it is understandable. Ignorance plays into the reason why people don’t experience good things in life.

    • @theothertonydutch
      @theothertonydutch 5 років тому +4

      What you are actually saying is that so many people don't know their influences. Mine are definitely the Beatles, Zappa, Bowie, but also more recent stuff that remind me you don't need much to break the chain like Arcade Fire, Superorganism and the Gorillaz. Moulds break. The collectors items exist because they do.

    • @humanseekingtruth6080
      @humanseekingtruth6080 5 років тому +2

      @Ja Kooistra • well yeah they seem to mention Queen or Bowie at times but I wonder if that has politics behind it. Sometimes people haven’t heard of bands from that time, but I talk to the younger generations about music and they will actually say things I don’t like Elvis, or The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Boston, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, etc etc and no one even mentions Grand Funk Railroad. Even Christian music was way better with Talbot Brothers, Keith Green, Phil Keaggy, Kerry Livgren & Ronni Jame Dio, 2nd Chapter of Acts with A band Called David, and others. But music today is far far from the music of the resent past and it’s sad how the language and art of music has been dying in the 21st Century. We need a total revival to music and musicians from classical to the classic bands to the modern music.

  • @KonnerJohnson
    @KonnerJohnson 4 роки тому +245

    "Schism" by Tool is full of different odd time signatures, including 7/4, 5/8, 9/8, 11/8, 13/8 and 15/8.

    • @eattherex2571
      @eattherex2571 4 роки тому +64

      *laugh in the dance of eternity

    • @florencewinchester7852
      @florencewinchester7852 3 роки тому +3

      Lateralus too.

    • @Drefyxd
      @Drefyxd 3 роки тому

      @@eattherex2571 lmao

    • @davetourle4250
      @davetourle4250 3 роки тому +9

      Damn, you beat me to it. Tool are mathematical geniuses, who also are great musicians.

    • @lambsauce9404
      @lambsauce9404 3 роки тому +2

      That is pretty much nothing compared to dream theater

  • @jan_kisan
    @jan_kisan 5 років тому +105

    man, you're the best music theory presenter i've heard so far

    • @beruanglaut3955
      @beruanglaut3955 3 роки тому

      check out zombieguitar tutorial, i think those channel is easier to understand

  • @baylinkdashyt
    @baylinkdashyt 5 років тому +783

    Hey... uh... Universal Music Group? I have never *in the history of UA-cam* seen a video that was more clearly qualified for fair use exemption under Section 107. Never. Ever. Bugger off.

    • @heavyreynald
      @heavyreynald 5 років тому +8

      Exception being "educational purposes", am I right?

    • @baylinkdashyt
      @baylinkdashyt 5 років тому +9

      heavyreynald well, there is a four-prong test that is commonly applied for fair use, and if you've got two of them pretty clearly that's generally enough. I am not a copyright attorney - and if following my opinion breaks anything you get to keep both pieces - but this is exactly what it's for, yes, educational use.
      I think a defensible case can also be made that it's not commercial - even if he's getting per click money from UA-cam for it.

    • @brianhelmuth9414
      @brianhelmuth9414 5 років тому +2

      Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.

    • @heavyreynald
      @heavyreynald 5 років тому +16

      So I have to go to court every time I want to make a UA-cam vid. I can understand the law but it's pointless and I cant agree with that .

    • @brianhelmuth9414
      @brianhelmuth9414 5 років тому +5

      @@heavyreynald Not what I said. If the creator of the content sues you for copyright, then a judge has the ability to dismiss the case due to fair use doctrine. It can only be administered within a court. Fair use is not a right, it is a legal ruling.

  • @stevestizzy
    @stevestizzy 5 років тому +335

    Shocked that no one else is fascinated with your ability to play on time while talking and thinking :P
    Wow.... just wow !!
    Great job by the way :)

    • @imannonymous7707
      @imannonymous7707 5 років тому +1

      Good observation i cant do that

    • @wickandvessel6346
      @wickandvessel6346 4 роки тому +5

      Yup. I'm impressed! I didn't say anything cause I'm jealous lol!!!

    • @osareafallire
      @osareafallire 4 роки тому

      Yeah, I kind of threw up in my mouth at how straight sick that was when I realized what he was doing.

    • @dhr.neuteboom4536
      @dhr.neuteboom4536 4 роки тому +1

      It's the same as you can drive the car and have a conversation. He is doing it every day, it's normal to have the ability.

    • @farque7179
      @farque7179 4 роки тому

      LOL, you serious?

  • @DROSTraceurADD
    @DROSTraceurADD 4 роки тому +65

    It blew my mind when I found out that Gorillaz's "5/4" was in 5/4😱🤣

    • @personperson6399
      @personperson6399 3 роки тому +1

      It blew my mind when I found out that Gorillaz was not a real band and I've been living in loneliness hoping to meet them my whole life to find out I've wasted it on a bunch of drawings and now I have no food because I spent all my money on Gorillaz merch 😱🤣

  • @BoughtByTheBlood
    @BoughtByTheBlood Рік тому +11

    Really like that you use "real life" examples of each time signature so we can tell what each one sounds like & how it feels.

  • @PabloSaavedra84
    @PabloSaavedra84 5 років тому +513

    Actually... Mission Imposible riff is "- - . ." wich in Morse is "MI"

    • @SignalsMusicStudio
      @SignalsMusicStudio  5 років тому +167

      holy shit! I didn't know that, that's pretty incredible! I thought YYZ was the first popular instance of morse used as music.

    • @Tmanaz480
      @Tmanaz480 5 років тому +4

      I wonder if Lalo knew that.

    • @forentertainment3259
      @forentertainment3259 5 років тому +14

      Holy what the fuck

    • @AxxLundOlga
      @AxxLundOlga 5 років тому +19

      I would say that Beethoven was first when he wrote his famous 5th symphony 18-hundred something. Five in roman numbers are V and V in morse are 3 short and 1 long.

    • @PabloSaavedra84
      @PabloSaavedra84 5 років тому +39

      Actually, the letter V was "morsed" to ...- because of the V Symphony

  • @comeacross9
    @comeacross9 5 років тому +62

    I'm an old guy and remember well the 1959 album "Time Out" by jazz great Dave Brubeck.
    "Take Five" was the most memorable song on the album written in 5/4.
    "Blue Rondo a'la Turk" another great song in the album was written in 9/8.
    In any event "Time Out" was pretty hip in 1959 and caused a lot of discussion among jazz players and fans.
    As an aside while not an odd time I love they way Lennon and McCartney inserted four 3/4 measures in "We Can Work it Out." For me it made a straight forward song interesting.
    Thanks for posting this and keep on keeping on.

    • @jayweh
      @jayweh 4 роки тому

      I'm not old and I love that album! it blows my mind how the musicians manage these beats. "three to get ready" jumps between 3/4 and 4/4, and even crazier: in "kathy's waltz" dave plays a 4/4 melody on piano with a 3/4 drum backdrop! unbelievable.

    • @anrylstudios
      @anrylstudios 4 роки тому

      Ant-Man uses 7/4

    • @scottblackburn7192
      @scottblackburn7192 4 роки тому

      Blue rando a’la turk is interested because brubeck uses and alternative grouping of 9/8, 12 34 56 789, for three bars before going back to the standard 123 456 678

  • @waterglas21
    @waterglas21 4 роки тому +30

    6:07 9/8 Is pretty common in classical western music. But the pulse is subdivided in 3.

    • @jstdun
      @jstdun 2 роки тому

      Have an example?

    • @waterglas21
      @waterglas21 2 роки тому

      @@jstdunClaire de lune by debussy ua-cam.com/video/FoD_AxKoJDs/v-deo.html

    • @quasarsphere
      @quasarsphere 2 роки тому

      @@jstdun It's slip jig time, so literally any Irish slip jig. A regular jig is 6/8.

    • @heraldjenkinsvii2176
      @heraldjenkinsvii2176 Рік тому

      Ride of the Valkyries

  • @DTBCProdigy
    @DTBCProdigy 5 років тому +15

    This whole video I was like "I wonder if he'll use Dream Theater as an example?" and I then I was pleasantly satisfied at 8:36.

    • @itsmedante.5325
      @itsmedante.5325 3 роки тому

      Okay.

    • @ArcherWillows
      @ArcherWillows 3 роки тому

      I thought he was gonna use Dance of Eternity as an example and try to explain whatever the hell that mess of time signature is but I think he realized no one can play that except the original musicians

  • @javierdeljeur
    @javierdeljeur 5 років тому +51

    9/8: Debussy “Clair de lune”, Genesis “Apocalypse in 9/8”.

  • @GP-yc2it
    @GP-yc2it 5 років тому +205

    Odd time sigs are a mainstay of art rock. Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Tool, etc, all thrive in them.

    • @marklydston90
      @marklydston90 5 років тому +13

      The fact that he didn't mention Genisis, Suppers Ready, for 9/8 or that he didn't mention Zappa, saddens me. Although he came across very intelligently, and spoke as such.

    • @dlxinfinite7098
      @dlxinfinite7098 5 років тому +3

      Zappa, indeed.
      Also Gentle Giant, Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Yugen,

    • @yudasgoat2000
      @yudasgoat2000 5 років тому +4

      Jethro Tull, too-LIving In The Past is 5/4.

    • @philspill6854
      @philspill6854 5 років тому +6

      Soundgarden

    • @666misanthropic
      @666misanthropic 5 років тому +4

      Meshuggah

  • @nikiw1856
    @nikiw1856 4 роки тому +26

    "AUDIO REMOVED THANKS UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP" , with staff notation provided I think the info is served.

  • @SengokuTheGouda
    @SengokuTheGouda 3 роки тому +1

    This is legitimately one of the best videos on time signatures I've ever seen. Fantastic job!

  • @AlefSousa017
    @AlefSousa017 5 років тому +175

    7:22 Oh, now I understand why the repost. I had this video on my "watch later" list and suddenly I seen it again on the top of my subscription box. Universal Music Group is just so, uuugh.. Hope they don't copystrike my comment for writing their company name on it, hahaha. Anyway, great video as always, Jake! The removed audio clip didn't affect the overall meaning and understanding of the video, which was flawless as always!

  • @viridianloom
    @viridianloom 5 років тому +82

    I definitely think an important aspect about learning to write in odd time signatures is that you feel less limited in your compositions by thinking outside the 4/4 box. However, as someone who loves and writes prog rock, you can end up going a little too far and forget how to write normal 4/4 music that people will probably appreciate more. So achieve balance ;)

    • @ze-ce.cra_
      @ze-ce.cra_ 5 років тому +16

      This is one of the wisest music compositional advice

    • @NicholasKrise
      @NicholasKrise 5 років тому +1

      So this is my first time to your Channel.
      My initial reaction? DUDE, YOU'RE A FREAKING Godsend.
      With all of the bullshit that is on UA-cam, to find somebody who is knowledgeable, well spoken, and disseminates information accurately and in a method that others who may not be as well versed as you are I can understand is the exception more so than the rule.
      ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYou
      I have a lot of friends that want my knowledge of music. To hell with it. I'm shipping them to you. You do a hell of a lot better job than I do. Signed, subscriber and at the moment your biggest advocate.

    • @Tmanaz480
      @Tmanaz480 5 років тому +1

      Sometimes it's best to compose your line and groove first, then go back and figure out the time signature after the fact. In pop/rock/metal there's less of a need to actually put it into notation. Just a need to teach your bandmates how to play the passage without getting lost

    • @babytiny5807
      @babytiny5807 5 років тому +1

      Fucking awesome comment, noted.

    • @dlxinfinite7098
      @dlxinfinite7098 5 років тому

      Wise advice.
      Depending on your audience, odd / mixed meter stuff can throw your audience off.
      And most musicians can't count.

  • @ilyagitelman1575
    @ilyagitelman1575 4 роки тому +1

    You are a fantastic teacher. I‘be always struggled a bit with time signatures and this has been the best video lesson I’ve ever seen. Great work!

  • @vance8832
    @vance8832 5 років тому +6

    Tool is a great example of a band that uses odd meters very often in their songs. For example, in "Lateralus", the main riff goes from 9/8 to 8/8 to 7/8 all in a row. Its tricky to count but sounds really cool when it's done right.

  • @GogiRegion
    @GogiRegion 5 років тому +89

    The moment you said swing for 7/4, before you even started playing, I instantly knew you were about to play Money (unlike with Mission Impossible where I didn’t recognize it until you started playing.

    • @Luaporleafcutterant
      @Luaporleafcutterant 5 років тому +6

      I knew he was talking about money before watching the video.

    • @spamsingles5948
      @spamsingles5948 5 років тому +1

      @@Luaporleafcutterant same

    • @pRahvi0
      @pRahvi0 5 років тому +2

      5/4 is much more common (at least in the Western World). That might be why it doesn't instantly remind us of some specific piece (at least not as easily).

    • @foxeh123
      @foxeh123 5 років тому

      Came to say this.

    • @caio509
      @caio509 5 років тому +1

      Dream Theater's Panic Attack first verse is in 5/8

  • @JoshuaConnorMusic
    @JoshuaConnorMusic 5 років тому +113

    You'd be surprised just how common 9/8 is in world music, celtic music in particular. It's basically just 3/4 triplets, in the same way that 12/8 is 4/4 triplets. Lots of jigs in 9/8.

    • @JoshuaConnorMusic
      @JoshuaConnorMusic 5 років тому +9

      @@RalphAouad well in the case of jigs it's simple, since it's just triplet 3/4, but this channel has always had a progressive rock sensibility, and not a Celtic one, so it's unfair to say 9/8 is simple and the way he's teaching here is poor. 9/8, when played straight, can be a very unusual time signature, since it's note groupings can be uneven, like 2+2+2+3, or some variation on that. It's not as unusual as say 7/8, which will always be uneven, but it's still a far cry from 4/4 or 6/8. 9/8 isn't always grouped in 3 lots of 3, and when it's not it can be quite complex.

    • @gattigatozza
      @gattigatozza 5 років тому +3

      Is middle instrumental part of Alexander the Great by Iron Maiden in 9/8?

    • @johnpointon4462
      @johnpointon4462 5 років тому +4

      And in jazz, famously, Blue Rondo a la Turk by Brubeck.... Not to forget: Take Five and Castilian Drums (5/4) and Unsquare Dance (7/4) - happy days!

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 5 років тому +3

      Yes, 9 can be divided in different ways. They’re all 9.
      One way I like to think about odd meter is to break it into indivisible sequences of 2s and 3s. So each measure of a 9/8 jig would be just 123 123 123, but 4 measures of Blue Rondo would be 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 12 12 12 123 | 123 123 123. Or if you don’t like numbers, just say “short” and “long” instead, elongating the word “long”.

    • @Kapir00to
      @Kapir00to 5 років тому

      John Brooking riding the scree - genesis is the best example of 9/8

  • @Icemann265
    @Icemann265 3 роки тому +1

    This video was awesome! Thank you so much never understood time signatures and no class I’ve taken ever broke it down as plainly as you just did.

  • @pallavgupta1148
    @pallavgupta1148 Рік тому

    This is by far the best video on odd time signatures. Subscribed right away!!

  • @han36solo
    @han36solo 5 років тому +147

    Great lesson. Ridiculous strike. How the heck are we supposed to teach music without referencing... music?

    • @jmitterii2
      @jmitterii2 5 років тому +10

      This is the absurdity of copyright. Pointless and should be abolished.
      If musicians want to make music, go perform it. And others will buy music still if they like your junk.

    • @FriedrichHerschel
      @FriedrichHerschel 5 років тому +2

      Showing music sheets is also "violating" copyrights.

    • @ericnyman6681
      @ericnyman6681 5 років тому +1

      FriedrichHerschel could be fair use if the video is not monetized and not for profit.

    • @ModernGolfer
      @ModernGolfer 5 років тому +3

      Wait'll they start telling us we can't use instruments for playing music without paying them $.05 for each note being played. You know, "Because all the notes in the scale are in that instrument". The dumbasses... SMH. 🙄

    • @brianhelmuth9414
      @brianhelmuth9414 5 років тому +1

      Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.

  • @jpatt194
    @jpatt194 5 років тому +11

    When you talked about how odd time signatures can make 4/4 parts more awesome I immediately thought of "there must be the third and last dance" in Metropolis.

    • @caio509
      @caio509 5 років тому

      " This one will last forever" ...

  • @Karenmarquesf
    @Karenmarquesf 4 роки тому +2

    Thank-you-so-much. The first minute's already helped me A LOT!

  • @sunavila
    @sunavila 4 роки тому

    Not only did this educate me on odd time signautres, but it also helped me better understand time signatures in general. Thanks Jake you consistently upload high quality content, I truly appreciate that.

  • @NIIVES
    @NIIVES 5 років тому +5

    Great video! I love odd time signatures as well, and the coolest songwriting-challenge with it is to make it sound so that most non-musical listeners barely notice it's not 4/4. That way you have best of both worlds: the power and feel of something familiar but the creativity and groove of something odd.

  • @tr83ey23
    @tr83ey23 5 років тому +16

    Absolutely loved this video! Music with odd time signatures has always interested me more than anything. A quick note so as not to confuse people, though, 9/8 can be used as an odd time signature (another great example is Dave Brubeck's Blue Rondo a la Turk) but it is far more common to see 9/8 used in compound triple meter. Many pieces have been written with this as the basis and it is fairly regular. Just something to consider. 😊

  • @liamhalvorsen460
    @liamhalvorsen460 5 років тому

    wow this really helped me! I listen to lots of odd time signature music and never fully knew what people were talking about. I've watched other videos to try to figure it out but you put it so simply THANKS!

  • @zaz4667
    @zaz4667 4 роки тому

    After watching a few of his teaching videos, this guy is the real deal when it comes to music and teaching. Real detailed, clear and knowledgeable in the medium and advanced areas.

  • @danvol3835
    @danvol3835 4 роки тому +8

    Sir, you are an excellent teacher--making everything seem like something I knew all along. Bravo! and keep up the good work.
    BTW, an arguably more famous piece in 7/4 might be "All You Need Is Love."
    To all who say the Beatles knew nothing about music because they couldn't articulate theory--Birds know nothing about flying because they don't understand aerodynamics.

    • @justincase9284
      @justincase9284 4 роки тому

      Thanks. Ive always wondered if i would have been a better musician if i had learned theory. Sometimes felt inferior for it.

  • @DickEnchilada
    @DickEnchilada 4 роки тому +4

    Honestly, I'm pretty well-versed with music theory, but I've been binging your videos because your instruction skills are top notch

  • @gustavoalcarde
    @gustavoalcarde 4 роки тому

    You made it very easy to understand, the way you switched from the scales to the actual song was brilliant.

  • @arsalmonar
    @arsalmonar 5 років тому

    By far the best explanation of time signatures I could find on YT and great musical examples in this long, cold, lonely winter... Thanks ;)

  • @wisenotwithered5018
    @wisenotwithered5018 2 роки тому +3

    I love this video (really love a lot of your videos!!) and I just wanted to say thank you for the mention at the end of music from other parts of the world. As a music teacher myself, I think it’s so important to keep in mind that most of the music we study and musical rules we talk about are very Western-centric, and acknowledgement of other cultures is essential! 👏🏼🎶👍🏼

  • @mustardtitsthemurdermaster3486
    @mustardtitsthemurdermaster3486 4 роки тому +4

    Some other songs that are in:
    5/4: Stream of consciousness by Dream Theater
    7/4: The Seven by Primus (can also be counted as 7/8)
    9/8: Jambi by Tool (verse sections)
    19/16: I don't honestly know a lot of songs in odd 16th note time signature

    • @faiqlatif3122
      @faiqlatif3122 3 роки тому +1

      19/16: Celestial Terrestrial Commuters by Mahavishnu Orchestra

    • @thegunganaficionado
      @thegunganaficionado 3 роки тому

      The intro in Pale blue dot by dream theater is in 19/16

  • @sk8muppet
    @sk8muppet Рік тому

    Great stuff here, really enjoyed the examples you picked. Good points about using them with 4/4 to create grooves

  • @idahagglund524
    @idahagglund524 4 роки тому

    I gotta say I love your channel. Recently discovered it and you explain everything so well. I've played instruments all my life; selftaught mostly, so never really got taught music theory. When it comes to rhythm I've always done it instinctually. These videos really help me understand the... well "science" behind it all.

  • @FourthSeatStudios
    @FourthSeatStudios 5 років тому +3

    Symphony X is a band that I love largely because they love to experiment with time signatures. Paradise Lost's 6-6-6-7 is a good example.

  • @deadstar44
    @deadstar44 5 років тому +57

    Soundgarden got a lot of songs featuring odd meters from Spoonman (7/4) to Never The Machine Forever (9/8), some songs like Head Down I don't even know what the time signature actually is in some places because there are like 3 drum tracks superposed on top of each others producing polyrythms.

    • @maxmoseley6330
      @maxmoseley6330 5 років тому +2

      I love Head Down that song screws with my mind

    • @GregglyPuff
      @GregglyPuff 5 років тому +3

      I was about to comment that this whole video could feature nothing but Soundgarden tunes.

    • @jjsmith706
      @jjsmith706 5 років тому

      Outshined, of course.

    • @sleeping.helper
      @sleeping.helper 5 років тому +2

      I came here waiting for some soundgarden's tunes...

    • @johnjames9121
      @johnjames9121 5 років тому +2

      Best fucking band ever!

  • @LEROBOToo3
    @LEROBOToo3 5 років тому

    My freind, you know your thing, you speak and teach right to the point. And most of all, you're simply real. Thanks, for knowing who you are and being confident about it all. That is what teaching should sound like. Congrats!

  • @TheFullbend
    @TheFullbend 4 роки тому

    GOLD ! This is just too good! You are the man Jake !

  • @jaytiman1330
    @jaytiman1330 5 років тому +3

    My favorite example in 9/8 is Voices by Dream Theater. That intro is exactly what Jake described : a 4/4 bar plus an extra eight note at the end. I recommend you guys to check out that particular song. Simply amazing how Petrucci and Portnoy turned that odd time more musical

  • @santiagolegarda4702
    @santiagolegarda4702 5 років тому +3

    Thanks, you're very awesome

  • @lapdogg2575
    @lapdogg2575 2 роки тому

    I could listen to this man read me stereo instructions for hours and all my anxiety will just wash away. Came here for the time signature video & stayed for the hypnotic voice. 🙂🙃🙂

  • @dougshankle7946
    @dougshankle7946 5 років тому

    This is a great lesson! Odd time signatures and time signatures in general have always given me problems. Thank you for sharing!

  • @TheNiceJackass
    @TheNiceJackass 4 роки тому +4

    One of my fav songs with an odd time sig is Pat Metheny's masterpiece called First Circle. A crazy 22/8 time

  • @tonygnerre3187
    @tonygnerre3187 4 роки тому +4

    Guys if this is interesting, check out Bicycle Race by Queen. After all the bicycle bells in the middle, it uses two measures of 13/8, which is very strange, and then a measure of 1/4(I believe) before returning to 4/4. Also at the end of Livin on a Prayer by Bon Jovi, there is a missing beat as it seems, a measure of 3/4 when it transitions into the last chorus. Not only that, but the key modulates at the same time!

    • @TheSharkAnt
      @TheSharkAnt 4 роки тому +1

      I'm not really if 1/4 is even a real time signature.

    • @tonygnerre3187
      @tonygnerre3187 4 роки тому

      TheSharkAnt Gaming & More, I’m sorry I just listened to it in slo mo and listened to all the beats. It goes from 13/8 to 6/8 to 4/4. Check it out it’s wild

  • @Danomite1
    @Danomite1 4 роки тому +1

    I normally don't comment very often, but I felt compelled to because this video had a large amount of useful information that was condensed and easy to absorb. Not only was it explained well (especially with the song examples given), it wasn't unnecessarily drawn out. Good stuff! I'm subscribing for sure!

  • @thesliceisright
    @thesliceisright 5 років тому

    This video blew my mind! I am brand new at learning music theory and play very little acoustic guitar but know the basics. I really enjoyed your video! Thank you so much for sharing!!

  • @slimyelow
    @slimyelow 5 років тому +5

    "how can we parse them"; now you got my attention...

  • @lambda494
    @lambda494 5 років тому +3

    Universal Music Group would put a copyright on 4/4 if they cool. Awesome video. I see that Korg Minilogue back there too!

  • @finnp.7170
    @finnp.7170 5 років тому

    I know absolutely nothing about music theory and all I can say is that you’re a very very great teacher, thanks for making these videos and please don’t stop making them

  • @crescendo5594
    @crescendo5594 5 років тому

    I really like the way you think, man. Odd time signatures are perfect ways to create contrast and you get the same resolved feeling you do when you play a note a half step high and then resolve it.

  • @tacofacefart
    @tacofacefart 4 роки тому +5

    One of the best examples of "effective" of odd time is spoonmam from Soundgarden. The opening riff is in 7/something but then the song takes off in 4/4. But the 4/4 feels really really 'rewarding' to listen to.

    • @johnstevens8253
      @johnstevens8253 4 роки тому

      The main verse riff in My Wave is in 5/4. It sounds really cool.

  • @santibanks
    @santibanks 5 років тому +11

    As far as popular songs are concerned, Peter Gabriel's Solsbury Hill is a hit all in 7/8 (I believe Money actually switches time signatures around during the solo?). Genesis wrote Turn it on again (also a hit) in 13/8. Tubular Bells has some kind of odd signature going on as well. As the 9/8 is concerned, I guess picking Supper's Ready from Genesis would be a better choice because it has a very obvious riff that demonstrates "9".

    • @Luaporleafcutterant
      @Luaporleafcutterant 5 років тому

      Money switches time signatures during the chorus, I don't know about the solo.

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 5 років тому

      _Tubular Bells_ is 7/8, at least at the beginning. 2+2+3 as the basis for 7/8 also drives DMB - _The dreaming Tree_ and stretches of Rush - _Natural Science._ This is the first grouping I'll imagine if someone says "7/8 time" without actually demonstrating.

    • @joshburns1777
      @joshburns1777 5 років тому

      Tubular Bells is almost but not quite in 7/8. If you had to find one time signature to label it as it would technically be 15/4 (7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8, which you sort of hear as 7/4 + 8/4, hence 15/4 for a single time signature). It would be very impractical and improper to write it like this though, so it will simply be written as a changing time signature as in my parentheses: 7/8 + 7/8 + 7/8 + 9/8.
      Money is in 7/4 and switches to 4/4 for the chorus and also for the solo (as well as the brief pre-solo build-up). It was written in 7/4, despite odd and erroneous statements that it was written in 7/8 (which are incorrect). The reason which I can remember reading to explain why it switches to 4/4 for the solo is simply (and perhaps disappointingly) because David Gilmour didn't like the idea of trying to solo in 7/4. It's probably also just because structurally it can make sense for the solo to be in 4/4 because the choruses have at that point already been in 4/4.

    • @KeithCollyer
      @KeithCollyer 5 років тому +2

      Josh Burns I hear Tubular Bells as more like 7/8 + 8/8 - listen for the extra beat every other bar

    • @joshburns1777
      @joshburns1777 5 років тому

      Keith Collyer Yeah that is what I said, but what you're describing isn't 7/8 + 8/8, it's 7/4 + 8/4, like I said. If you read the first paragraph of my original comment I explain why.

  • @marcosdeboni7109
    @marcosdeboni7109 5 років тому

    Excellent video! I can't imagine a better explanation. You're pretty good as a music educator, clearly you love what you do

  • @raywatts5702
    @raywatts5702 4 роки тому

    Brilliant explanation and examples, thanks Jake, happy new year!!

  • @MickPosch
    @MickPosch 5 років тому +8

    Apocalypse in 9/8 (part of the "Supper's Ready" suite) is a nice example of that time signature from early Genesis. Another interesting tune of theirs is Cinema Show...it's in 7/8, but, unlike Money, we're talking a really, really FAST 7/8...as a drummer, I have yet to play that song and end a fill without getting screwed up!

    • @TerryT304
      @TerryT304 5 років тому +1

      With Tony Banks playing 4/4 to Phil Collin's 9/8, great stuff.

    • @mal2ksc
      @mal2ksc 5 років тому +2

      _Money_ is in 7/4, as is Peter Gabriel's _Solsbury Hill,_ but that is really just a matter of convention and notation.
      Another fast 7/8 that really grooves is Dave Matthews Band _The Dreaming Tree._
      King Crimson's _Three of a Perfect Pair_ has a section in 6/8 alternating with a section in 7/8 (in clipped 4/4 format).

    • @JohnBrooking4
      @JohnBrooking4 5 років тому

      I was also going to mention Cinema Show. Incredible synth solo, all in 7! And very clever how they transition back into 4/4 at the end. They start playing a riff in 7, repeated a bunch of times, then they play the same sequence of notes in 4, and it’s such a subtle rhythmic shift that I totally missed it the first bunch of times I heard the song. Suddenly they were back in 4 and I hadn’t noticed when it happened.

    • @rayres1074
      @rayres1074 5 років тому +1

      I learnt so much about odd time signatures through Apocalypse in 9/8...

  • @danieljgavigan
    @danieljgavigan 4 роки тому +3

    Genesis - 'Supper's Ready' has a section called 'Apocalypse in 9/8'

  • @mikejeannotte6642
    @mikejeannotte6642 2 роки тому

    Crushed it. Best instructional video on odd time signatures I’ve ever seen.

  • @ros8737
    @ros8737 4 роки тому

    Realized I’d seen this before but still continued to the end. The ease of counting is impressive, so is the clear as a bell delivery of all that info in such a short video. *hits subscribe button*

  • @mathiasthebariguy1187
    @mathiasthebariguy1187 4 роки тому +27

    As soon as 7/4 was introduced I knew Money was coming 😂

    • @ricardocastillo5485
      @ricardocastillo5485 3 роки тому +1

      Me too! I was waiting for him to talk about 11 and Whipping Post.

    • @checkYVELLUAP
      @checkYVELLUAP 3 роки тому +2

      "bm pentatonic"
      ok its pink floyd

  • @justincase9284
    @justincase9284 4 роки тому +9

    8:56 self note. Odd time signatures back into 4/4 will give 44 more power/groove.?

  • @drewlaredo7220
    @drewlaredo7220 5 років тому

    What a great video. Explanations with examples are flawless.....

  • @leeland446
    @leeland446 5 років тому

    Wow , perfect instructional video! Thanks for your clear n clean explanation. Great work

  • @BiRDiEHere
    @BiRDiEHere 4 роки тому +3

    Your voice should be on a radio broadcast 😁

  • @evergreenrider
    @evergreenrider 4 роки тому +3

    Very informative sir. I'm not a musician, I came hear to try to understand time signatures and polyrhythms after getting into Tool (lol). You're fantastic at teaching and explaining in a very easy to understand way. Thank you kind sir!

  • @Radien
    @Radien 3 роки тому

    Clicked on this suggested video on a whim, and now, I haven't been this intellectually stimulated by music theory for years.
    Enjoyed this video very much; happily subscribing now!

  • @arisathan6569
    @arisathan6569 3 роки тому

    Why dislikes?
    Young musician giving great tips
    Jazz musicians feeling betrayed they didn’t hear more examples of odd meter compositions?
    Baffles me.
    Love his content

  • @ilokikoval
    @ilokikoval 5 років тому +482

    O cool, banning a music tutorial video for containaining music, genius xD

    • @swamdono
      @swamdono 5 років тому +27

      I like how they think it's taking away from the Beatles, when in fact censoring this video will stop people who haven't heard them from discovering them.

    • @hybridwafer
      @hybridwafer 5 років тому +1

      It's alright. It gave me an impromptu reason to go listen to the Ghost B.C. version of Here comes the Sun which is probably my favourite cover of all time.

    • @brianhelmuth9414
      @brianhelmuth9414 5 років тому

      Fair use can only be established as the modus operandi in a court of law, not willy nilly. Hate the UA-camrs lack of legal knowledge on this matter.

  • @brianmcfarland6548
    @brianmcfarland6548 5 років тому +8

    9/8 and 11/8 are actually very common in Gaelic styles of musics

    • @pinkdispatcher
      @pinkdispatcher 5 років тому

      I don't know how common it really is, but I know Iona's Bi-Se i Mo Shúil - Part 2, which has a long second part in 11/8, with a great low whistle solo by Troy Donockley.

    • @quasarsphere
      @quasarsphere 5 років тому

      9/8 is slip jig time. I've not encountered 11/8.

  • @diamondbreak
    @diamondbreak 4 роки тому

    The most comprehensive one, I have ever studied. Thank you!

  • @quitsdrop6995
    @quitsdrop6995 4 роки тому

    This channel is truly a goldmine. Despite me not playing guitar, every single thing stated in this video applies to me and my instruments perfectly (obviously), but nonetheless, it is very easy to understand and comprehend.

  • @hectormendoza7261
    @hectormendoza7261 4 роки тому +5

    Aahh, I see what you did there at the end of the video...odd time signature editing...wise man

  • @gregorygelfenbuym8487
    @gregorygelfenbuym8487 5 років тому +5

    Hey, great video. The times in the description aren't precise, and there's a mistake in Home's time signature there (15/16 instead of 19/16), I guess it's because of the removed Beatles track.

  • @rompofotters
    @rompofotters 5 років тому

    A favorite time change of mine is in Wolves, by Big Wreck. It's so subtle many people miss it. But that's why I love it, they make it so smooth you can barely tell it's there.

  • @beckyp9633
    @beckyp9633 5 років тому

    Got lost down the rabbit hole trying to understand music theory. Subscribed! Thank you for the examples, it makes it easier to grasp.

  • @Draygir
    @Draygir 4 роки тому +9

    Listen to enough Tool Songs and you get interesting videos like this as recommendation. :)

    • @ArcherWillows
      @ArcherWillows 3 роки тому

      literally just listen to dance of eternity once and time signature videos flood your reccomendations

  • @origineo
    @origineo 5 років тому +36

    I was expecting "Voices" (Dream Theater) in 9/8. But nice choice!!!

    • @SignalsMusicStudio
      @SignalsMusicStudio  5 років тому +17

      Good call!I actually included that as an example, but cut it because the video was getting too long and I already had a dream theater example.

    • @spandanhetfield
      @spandanhetfield 5 років тому +2

      To me Jake's 9/8 tapping was totally reminiscent of Tool's lateralus!

    • @TheCoolSquare
      @TheCoolSquare 5 років тому +3

      Yeah, not sure if you know or not, but the chorus of Lateralus uses a bar of 9/8, followed by 8/8, and then 7/8.

    • @maxblechman2665
      @maxblechman2665 5 років тому

      Signals Music Studio Don’t forget Blue Rondo á la Turk!

    • @garycitro1674
      @garycitro1674 5 років тому

      King Crimson, Yes, and Gentle Giant are kings of this stuff. For example, in Gentle Giant's "Just the Same," half the band is playing in 6/4 (keyboard and guitar in canon!) while the singer and the rest are in 7/4, and everyone is layered in one at a time to make it even more complex. GG is my favorite band, and the most talented group I've ever seen live.

  • @Telepuzique
    @Telepuzique 4 роки тому +2

    that was informative.
    thank you for the effort, sir.

  • @steve7onfire
    @steve7onfire 4 роки тому

    Hands down that was the best lesson on odd time signatures. You make it easy to understand. New subscriber from Darwin Australia 👍

  • @michaelcottle6270
    @michaelcottle6270 4 роки тому +14

    Genesis - "Turn it on again" top ten single in 13/8. Enjoy

    • @orderinchaos
      @orderinchaos 4 роки тому +1

      Also Stranglers "Golden Brown" which alternates between 13/8 and 6/8.

    • @NominalTopic
      @NominalTopic 4 роки тому +1

      Burt Baccarat’s “I Say A Little Prayer”..😁

  • @alsatusmd1A13
    @alsatusmd1A13 5 років тому +3

    9/8 in and of itself isn't actually so odd for Western music compared to the other meters you discuss in this video. It is just supposed to be counted as dotted quarter notes rather than quarter or eighth notes in classical theory. Also, if you resign any so-called "odd" meter with notes of half or quarter duration, you can recreate super-compound versions of popular rhythms (e. g. 10/8 [as 5/4 resigned with eighths] can be a march or a samba, "15/12" [as 5/4 resigned with triplets of eighths] can be a waltz and 20/16 [as 5/4 resigned with sixteenths] can be just about anything else).

  • @koryhays5642
    @koryhays5642 4 роки тому

    Clear and concise as usual. Awesome job!!

  • @micustic
    @micustic 3 роки тому

    Great work, thank you, very clear and inspiring, M.

  • @thebreakfastmenu
    @thebreakfastmenu 5 років тому +3

    I think odd time signatures written in ways that sound natural are the best.
    Something strange like 5/4 that isn't obviously screaming in your face that it's 5, I think makes some interesting sounding.

  • @jorgeneri
    @jorgeneri 5 років тому +3

    When you counted (1, 2, 3, 4), you sounded just like my old Yamaha keyboard.

  • @OutOfMySystem
    @OutOfMySystem 5 років тому

    Thanks for this. A real eye-opener.

  • @ktm_nl
    @ktm_nl 4 роки тому +47

    Just play the whole album of dream theater😂

    • @volderhamer
      @volderhamer 4 роки тому +3

      *every

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 3 роки тому

      @@volderhamer dream theater is also the name of their self titled album

  • @stevie8271
    @stevie8271 5 років тому +31

    thank you universal music group for ruining another EDUCATIONAL video. god forbid a music teacher tries to play music to teach

  • @bryanyasuhara2994
    @bryanyasuhara2994 5 років тому

    Super helpful. Thanks for another great video!

  • @kenan_keys
    @kenan_keys 6 місяців тому

    This is so concise and informative! Amazing stuff

  • @ornleifs
    @ornleifs 5 років тому +6

    If these times catch your fancy you should check out Dave Brubeck Time Out - fantastic music in odd times.

    • @timmmahhhh
      @timmmahhhh 5 років тому +1

      And if you want your mind blown check out Brubeck's Unsquare Dance in 7/4 time. Actually it's 2-2-3 time which I read is more common in and derived from Turkish and Bulgarian music.