The Proteus Class: Three Vessels that Vanished
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2021
- The Proteus class is somewhat infamous for the disappearance of the USS Cyclops, USS Proteus, and USS Nereus. The only ship to last was the USS Jupiter, which would become America's first aircraft carrier, but we'll get there.
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An overloaded cargo ship with a handicapped engine sailing rough seas through the Bermuda Triangle during wartime? What could *possibly* go wrong?
A German sea captain who liked to drink and was certifiable, an improperly-loaded ship with only one working engine. Yeah, that'll work
Nothing
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"Suprised they sailed anywhere with those huge balls on board"
*'This is fine.'*
@@timmyc9915 Ever get that sinking feeling?
If I remember correctly Langley had been converted to a Seaplane tender back in 1937 with her flight deck shortened.
Honestly Langley had the best life compared to her sisters, she was the first in many innovations for her home country and served for 29 years and could have maybe kept in service for longer time had she not been sunk.
I really hope her wreck and that of her sisters are eventually found so it can provide clossing for the decentends of the crew, yes even that one German captain who I would be terrified he he wasn't sane.
Keep up the good work.
Langley's wreck coordinates have been found, just not looked at
They are 8°51'04.2"S 109°02'02.6"E
@@velocity9OOOYT From what I can find those are just where she was reported scuttled in the 40s. That doesn’t mean that’s where they actually where, for example, Titanic was a few miles away from where the coordinates they gave were.
I think the Cyclops sunk in a storm off of Cape Hatteras. Weather records for that year document a storm passing though the area around the time of the sinking. The ship was overloaded, only had 1working engine, cargo probably shifted, and she tipped over and was gone.
Remember the El Faro? She was another huge cargo ship that recently sank a few years ago. She lost engine power and got caught in a storm. She took waves broadside and was rolled over and sank. Mother nature is a beast.
The fact that 3 of them vanished, would suggest a possible structural defect in the vessels design. The outward glance at photos of the vessels at port it appears that they had a rather high center of gravity from the quarter deck to the stacks. That could make the vessels very unstable and hard to control in rough seas, and susceptible to large or rogue waves hitting it. RIP to all crew members of these Naval ships that were lost. 🙏
So many bulk carriers have gone down that it makes me think the three missing sisters may have suffered either a shift of their cargo, a structural failure of some kind or a rogue wave. The Cyclops's engine may have failed and if so she would have turned broadside to the oncoming sea, a terrible and terrifying scenario in bad weather.
I mean, the Cyclops did have a cracked cylinder, so maybe it's engine ate itself alive while it was hauling its oversized load... to give an example of a cylinder destroying an engine and everything around it, lookup some videos of Dragsters having their engines blow
Different types of engines...I think a structural defect in the design cause rapid failure and t9ok them under before even a distress call could occur
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Good idea, my theory is it was the temp difference on the lakes that fatigued them faster than expected.
I would not have guessed that the Jupiter turned into the Langley. I was expecting it's "interesting" story would have been moving stuff over the great lakes or something else that isn't all that notable.
You are missing the great strenth of the design: despite the losses, it is 100% U-boat proof!
And after the war, German war records were checked and the Cyclops was not on the list of sunk or captured Allied ships.
The Triangle must like the Proteus Class, Since it has 3 of them. Gotta catch em' all?
All of the Proteus class ships suffered from corruption in their longitudinal structural beams, being that they were exposed to their corrosive cargo. This sort of structural degradation was noted on USS Jason, a similar Navy collier. It was also believed to have been a contributing cause to the loss of the freighter Chuky in 1928.
Her cargo is the second clue. Cyclops was carrying Manganese ore, which is much more dense than coal. The hatch covers on Cyclops were canvas, and adding to the problem is that if they’d been lost in a storm, the ore could have become saturated with water, causing it to turn into a slurry, adding to the weight issue. Couple a dense, wet cargo, with room to move around in the holds (which with the tonnage loaded is certain), and the possibility of a weakened structure, one could reasonably put forward worst case scenario. Even decoupling the two for a minute we find a sufficient cause for sinking the ship. A weakened structure with a dense cargo in a storm causing her hull to fail catastrophically, or a compromised cargo sloshing around with wave action, either way.
Personally, having read the Navy reports on the other ships in the class, I would lean toward longitudinal frame beam failure. There was something lurking in the design of these ships.
I 100% agree. I’ve read everything I could on this, and I believe the ships had structural failure. 3 out of 4 ships, AND when they were all carrying something heavy? The odds point to them breaking. Great Lakes colliers seem to do that too.
"its ayylamaos man, they're in the sky duuude" - Conspiracy Theorists, probably
Damn it took me less than a minute of video to subscribe. A nautical themed channel with great info and a side of humor? Sign me up. This channel’s going places.
Wow! An American who does sarcasm correctly! Great job! I love your style sir! Many thanks for sharing this.
I'd love to hear your take on the Russian fleet sailing to the Pacific from St. Petersburg in 1905. It even ends with a big battle!
Once again. Thanks for sharing!
Working theory: the reason the bermuda triangle has caused so many ships to sink is because the zone is very prone to rogue waves (has been confirmed to be the cause). These ships, when having canvas on these high structural H profiles, would tilt very severely when hit by such a wave. That combined with the loose ore in the cargo holds, they were all three of them very very likely to capsize upon collision with such a rogue wave. So I am guessing that is their fate
Yea but explain The Planes They Not In The Water
@@MrJerseyfinest10 Simple: Cherry-picking in both cases.
Video Idea: Perhaps you could do a video on the first Majestic and her sister ship?
I put that on the list today before I read this! If I do, I'll credit you still!
Oh! That’s a funny coincidence!
(Sorry for late reply)
Damn. Awesome video to watch on my break.
If a Uboat sank the Cyclops before getting sunk itself, it would not have been reported.
Possibly so, but most u-boats operated around the east coast of the South if in North America. The Cyclops probably would've been reported as on course if it made it up to Florida, so that's why they presume it sank in the Caribbean, where u boats were few if any.
I think the bottom fell out of her.
@@johnbockelie3899 you just gave me brain damage, like how the heck does that work?
@@ivangenov6782 how can a ship disappear without a trace then ?.
.maybe these ships were actually in poor condition. Either that or there's a collection of them in another dimension some where.
@@johnbockelie3899 yes but, how the actual frick does the bottom of the ship just fucking die out of existence, like, ok maybe it is possible but if that did happen, there would have been like ton of wreckage on the surface no?
I knew about the missing cyclops. And I knew that she was a sister ship to the Langley, America's first ACC, later demoted to being a "seaplane tender". But didnt know about how she had several other sisters who also vanished.
They are all half sisters......now..
I had not realized that the Jupiter that was converted into the Langley, was of the same class of colliers as the Cyclops.
Learn something everyday!
Gratitude! I had not heard much of these ships history or stories and I very much enjoyed this presentation!
Vincent Price: "... in the Devil's Triangle."
Overload cargo, engine trouble, shifting of cargo, capsize and sink.
All past ships who have passed through the Bermuda Triangle has obviously sank. Soon the wrecks will be found but until then, people are skeptical and also their are crazy intense winds that could sink a ship and cause a plain to crash in the ocean and these wild hexagonal storms happen in the Bermuda Triangle.
I also made up my own Thomas and Friends ship character based off of the Proteus class Ships.
A video on the great white fleet would be great, also I love your videos
Loved the St. Anthony reference
Gotta keep my fellow Catholics paying attention
Not sure why you came up on my recommended as I don't normally have an interest in Ships, I'm more of an aircraft/car guy, but you made this really interesting and entertaining!
Well done man, I hope your channel grows and you've gotten at least one more subscriber!
USS Cyclops is about 70 Nauticle miles northeast of the cheasapeak bay in 180ft of water.
She probably rolled over in a gale
A diver found it in 1969, But when he returned in 1983 he couldnt relocate it
I was just watching a presentation on the UA-cam channel of Dr Mark Felton about the U123 and its patrol of the US Eastern Seaboard. The U123 is credited with the sinking of the Cyclops in this presentation. I am aware of the loss of the Cyclops and have been for years. I have never heard of this reference to the U123 before and my mind instantly went into The Mándela Effect Mode. IDK what the truth of the matter is but I thought I would share this with you all here.
Wrong cyclops
Pic at 3:48 is Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Coaling station is located in the top middle on what is today called Hospital Cay.
My grandfather served on the Proteus at some point between the wars.
Excellent subject matter. Although the Cyclops has plenty of video presence, the other members of the class are well served here (including the USS Jupiter / Langley). Extra points for sarcastic humor! 😉👍
My favorite theory about the Cyclops is the tale of the communist pirates!
The real og was the battleship creature.
“Your ship! No comrade, our ship.”
I had forgotten about that theory. I remember long ago being really interested in the Bermuda Triangle, and reading everything I could about the “mysterious” vanishing!
Great video man. I love these types of stories.
She's in a book written by Clive Cussler The Cyclopes.
Very Interesting!!!
Just stumbled across this channel, I really like this style of video! Also, since you’re taking suggestions, I would recommend looking into some of the ships that disappeared on the Great Lakes.
I find it strange that 3 vessels of the same type, all fitted with radio communications equipment, could vanish without trace, with no wreckage, lifeboats or bodies being found!
Obviously, they sank, but the reasons for them doing so have never come to light, and it would appear that their end came so suddenly that none were ever able to broadcast a Mayday call.
Their unexplained losses must have been extremely traumatic for the families of the Crew whom died.
I look forward to your episodes. Keep it up!!!
Have you heard of the Carrol A Deering?
She’s a schooner having an interesting connection to the Cyclops.
YESSSSSS
thankyou for making this video. its so funny thank you
You should do the USS Eldridge, that would be cool
The keel gave out, everyone went down with the ship. Either that, or it was flying saucers.
I just love your videos, mate.
Great videos man, modern feel to documentary style videos
I know it might be a little off topic for the channel, but do you think you could do a video on the panama canal? Tidbits, importance to shipping, famous ships that passed through it, etc.?
Hey, it’s nautical, anything’s possible!
Thanks for the story!
Cool channel my friend.
And the voiceover wasn’t bad either.
I thought they were built by William Cramp and Sons shipbuilders. Anyway, my theory is that they broke in half. The USS Jason was being serviced when a crew member that was chipping rust off of the hull lost his hammer through a hole he opened up. When he went into the hold to retrieve his hammer, he noticed that the longitudinal I beams that made up the strengthening frame of the ship had rusted away. That only leaves the hull plates holding the ship together. In moderately rough seas with a heavy load, the ship could snap and sink very fast.
Cyclops rolled over her wreck was found around chesepeak bay in 1968 althpugh its location was lost
and the other two wouldve broken in half
@@misterbuklau4053 Dean Hawes was the Navy diver, I know. They did locate the Ethel C in that location, no sign of the Cyclops. I keep seeing where a rogue wave probably did it. If I had Elon Musk’s money, I’d search for them. But...
@@thevox1075 I think its there but the chesepeak bay/carolina coast has so many shipwrecks its just a needle in a stack of needles.
@@misterbuklau4053 I think it’s probably there. But three colliers, identical, all overloaded with a material they weren’t supposed to haul and all three go missing without a trace? Catastrophic and immediate failure. Cyclops would have been in rough seas off the coast and there were gale warnings at the time. She is probably somewhere where the diver found her.
@TheVox Yeah I reached out to a local dive team awhile ago about it
“The US Navy needed coal.”
William Nelson Page, owner of the Virginian Railroad: *Rubs hands together greedily.*
"Today, the Cyclops has been remembered through her memorials and crappy UA-cam documentaries."
Love this.
Wrong pictures for the destroyers Whipple and Edsall which were flush deck 4 stack WW1 ships w/the Langley. Those shown were a newer model frigate and destroyer escort carrying the older, retired ships names.
Proteus & Nereus vanished on the same route, 17 days apart, and were both carrying aluminium ore for the war effort. Two months later, a fleet of 11 German & Italian submarines attacked Curacao and sunk 45 cargo ships. I think the submarine theory has solid ground. PS: My great-uncle was a stocker on the Nereus. He was 21 years old when he was lost at sea.
This was a great video, but I do recommend some more research as you left the first aircraft carrier out entirely. HMS Argus is the world's first aircraft carrier being commissioned as a Carrier in 1918 during the first World War, and was a converted Collier. Hosho was the world's first purposely designed carrier. Fun fact the Argus is the only aircraft carrier to serve as such in two world wars.
0:42 I was just thinking that!!!
A pub in Liverpool, England was said to have been run by an ex-U boat captain after the war
Not that I doubt you but I lived there for years as did family an never heard that one. What was the pubs name?
Please tell the story. Was he a pow who decided to stay and make a life in England?
You should do one on the ferries between Port Jeff and Bridgeport. They're fascinating.
Thank you for doing this video sadly I got info for all three missing wrecks
Technically wasn't a war crime sinking the Lusitania. She was carrying ammunition and small arms thus making her fair game for German submarines. You're not supposed to sink passenger liners but you're also not supposed to hide your war materials on passenger liners either. So Touche on the British for hiding behind innocent civilians Touche on the Germans for shooting the British through the innocent civilians
An Touche to America for selling the arms in the first place fully knowing they were to be shipped in secret on the "Lucy".
Most of the passengers were American.
@@deutschedog3259 like I said probably nothing more shameful than hiding behind the civilian shield. Who's the bigger POS the person hiding behind the civilian shield or the person shooting through the civilian to get you. Kind of a toss-up like I said there are no bad guys in the first world war just winners and losers and winners get to write the history books.
all three of the ships that sank were in service for a while and the sinking's seam to follow a pattern. I suspect they were over loaded on there last voyage and the ships could not take it.
The loss of three out of four ships of a particular class suggests a weakness in their design. It may have been insignificant if the ships were loaded to proper spec and properly maintained. But being overloaded, and subject to corrosion from the coal and manganese ore, probably made a minor flaw in their design far more significant. Add a little bad weather to those conditions.... I could see a catastrophic hull failure and rapid sinking. Perhaps so fast that the crew were not able to reach the lifeboats.
There was recently a sinking of this nature.
ua-cam.com/video/YxCWHY2P5wc/v-deo.html
It should not have been in such rough seas (it was designed for river work) and the keel broke because it was in poor condition and was being operated well outside design limits. Fortunately, most of the crew were able to reach safety due to the proximity of other ships.
Can you do a video about City Of New York And City Of Paris?
Theres a video idea, I have no idea what will come out, or even a video at all, But Screw it
I’ll see what I can do, you never know what the future holds!
@@NauticalStudy see how this aged
*nice*
Could you do a video on the USS Maine and its sinking?
That was fantastic.
Would ever do one on the infamous t2 tankers ship wrecks including the marine sulphur queen marine electric ss Pendleton
I love the video.
Is there any chance you could do the RMS Britannic 2 and her sister?
I like the video style 👍
How about a video on the Alaska State Highway Ferry Ships? the M.S. Taku I once rode in back in about 1974 or so. these ferries provide Alaska with transportation thru the inland passages, some ships are gone, replaced by modern one.
it should be interesting, and photos are likely plentiful, and Alaska probably has a Public Relation department to help you source info.
Worley was a Skipper not a Captain as he held the rank of lieutenant commander
Nice use of the Red Ensign flag for Canada, that's some good attention to detail
Hello, i have a video idea: maybe you could make a video on the MS Hans Hedtoft? it was a danish liner that dissapeared on it's maiden voyage, the wreckage was never found
sorry if i have already said this, but when i comment on my main channel my comments dissapear
It's totally good man, I'll see if I can!
Hey I remember you mat
SS princess Sophia is a tragic failure of communication and her many sisters have... Interesting carriers ( sunk sunk scrapped )
Video idea: Could you do a video on the SS Rex of Italy?
It’s already on the list but I’ll credit you if I make a vid on it!
@@NauticalStudy Thank you! Keep up the great work!
I would suggest working on those photos starting from 11th minute. USS Langley (CVL27) is a totally different ship than USS Langley (CVL1). And USS Whipple (DD-217) and USS Edsall (both 4 funneled flushdeckers) both had nothing in common (apart from their names) with the USS Whipple (a Knox class frigate) built in 1964 and USS Edsall a destroyer escort built later on in the war.
Like when you put two socks in the dryer, but only ONE sock returns! 😖
Sailed on USS Proteus AS19.
Great white fleet sounds great. Love your humor
All 4 ships of this class sunk. Wow.
Interesting video. Though she's well known, a video on the SS United States would be nice.
My grandparents sailed aboard her once so it’s certainly on the list
Somebody been watching our scottish friend Critical Drinker. good one.
4:11 this made me laugh so hard
Do a video on the SS Cotapaxi and the bermuda triangle thing
What was the cargo on Cyclops? Full of ore and sank to bottom like chunk of coal.
How about that USS Oregon eh? Pretty great ship. In fact, maybe the best, maybe, probobly............ yes it is
The aliens/Atlantis must really like the design. Probably ticked they don't have the complete set.
All the class gone RIP
History Channel: It was aliens!!
So much wrong here. The USS Cyclops was in a class of it's own. The USS Jupiter was part of the Neptune class, which was an improved design from the USS Cyclops. The USS Proteus and USS Nereus were the only two ships from the Proteus class, which were a slightly scaled down version of the Neptune class and could be easily distinguished as a separate class because they were single-stacks instead of twin-stacks like the USS Cyclops and the Neptune class. I know a lot of sources lump them all together, but look at the launch dates, dimensions, and engine configuration and you'll see that this is anything but true. Otherwise, I really enjoyed your video. The WWI Colliers are a fascinating subject.
Heck yeah to a great white fleet video!
Were the Whipple and Edsall pictures wrong on purpose or...? They were both Clemson class destroyers at that time. What was shown was the Knox class frigate and the Edsall class Destroyer escort.
I throw in incorrect stuff (mostly pronunciations) to annoy the nerds in the comments but in this case you're correct, I was tired and put the wrong pictures
@@NauticalStudy Ah Gotcha, was just curious cause it seemed purposeful somehow. Was a good watch overall
You should make a video about flight 19?
Lol that chandris part got me busting out laughing
You should make a video on Rms Mauretania 2
Of course the USS Jupiter was the last man standing, my god he sickens me to my core.
Now Never go To the triangle also i subscribed to the channel
Can you make a video abaut the largest hungarian river ship Szőke Tisza?
Three ships Gone what a Curse
Seriously? You couldn't take a minute to say she was converted from an aircraft carrier CV-1 to a seaplane tender AV-3 with half her flight deck removed in 1937 and was sunk as such in 1942 transporting P-40 fighters to unload at Java? There are clear pics of her being scuttled after the Japanese attack.
Why not talk about HMS Argus, which was the Royal Navy's first aircraft carrier. Although test flights had been made from wooden decks placed over battle cruiser guns, Argus had a full length flight deck. Not sure if she pre-dated USS Langley,
The captain of the USS cyclops was just like schwieger: aggressive.
In all honesty, my personal theory is either, rogue waves, since those can typicically happen so quickly to the point nobody can get anything prepared, and with full holds of heavy ore, it would only exaserbate the problem. Either that or that there was some overlooked major design flaw that lead to a rapid and catastrophic failure on board these ships, that just happened to sink coicidentally close to each other. Not as awesome as "aliens" or "sea demons" or "ancient curses", but, disasters are caused by far more mundane, explainable issues. The only problem is that while we can speculate as to what happened, without evidence from the wrecks themselves, there is no way to verify those theories. Depending on their depth, there is a chance that these ships can still be found, as ships at an extreme depth actually begin to be preserved. But there is also a chance, that with corrosive cargo on board, that if the ships settled above that zone, that they may no longer exist in any way that could be effectively studied.
How about a video on the Oceanic II
I know it's not maritime related but can you cover about the Hindenburg airship with your sense of humor? :D
What the hell did you have a Churchill quote with a Theodore Roosevelt pic