How in the world can you be a top level record executive and not know, from the first 10 seconds of this song, besides its gripping lyrics, that it wouldn't be a smash hit? I was 16 when this song came out, and held on to it as long as I could. One of the best songs of the 80s.
The music world is filled with these stories: "Kiss" by Prince "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye "LikevA Rolling Stone" by Bob Dylan... ALL were rejected by the label and the artist had to fight for the song. Ot's one person's personal opinion
Frank Zappa nailed it when he said the biggest difference and flaw between the early music industry and the modern industry was the early industry knew that they didn't know what the kids likes, so they didn't hesitate to release material they didn't understand. Later, the industry became dominated by people that were in music and thought they knew everything and effectively crushed the ability of the innovative and "different" artists in favor of formulaic success.
None of the music of now, 2023, speaks to me - or my kids! They can find tolerable stuff here and there, but it's really difficult. And there isn't the emotional connection. They like older stuff that was less commercial and had more emotion and feeling. I wish this style, and emotion, would come back, across genres. 🙏🏼💙
Actually Zappa is not exactly correct. The problem is 98% of the execs in any era only sell what they know has already sold. The one big difference that happened was the post-punk movement that broke apart all of the rules from the same three chords to breaking all of the genres. In the 80s, there were so many bands coming out with so many interesting songs, radio DJs constantly played all sorts of songs...as long as they were good, they could play. They didn't have to fit in to a known, commercial box. So because top 40 radio played anything...foreign language songs, reggae, mechanical sounding songs, new instruments just recently invented the last 10 years, female lead singers in bands, very heavy music, goth, alternate lifestyles, etc. that the record execs listening to the radio would be inspired to sign all sorts of bands. Since we don't have that now, it's back to business as usual. Have another dose of Taylor Swift.
The label execs don’t always get it right. Thankfully, John had the confidence and courage to stand by his convictions and ultimately, his talent prevailed. Great story behind this tune. Thanks, Adam!
Label execs not only "don't always get it right" they criminally get it WRONG a lot Meatloaf- bat out of hell U2- as a group in general Etc etc etc etc There are story upon story of record execs poo pooing what later become huge successes Not saying they "always get it wrong" or even "get it wrong majority of the time" but I do believe they get it wrong more than "don't always get it right"
John Mellencamp is the EPITOME of the American Singer in the manner of Bob Seger. To me much more so than Bruce Springsteen. I love Jack and Diane and it was such an American story in song while in my high school years. I loved everything about it. He has continued to stay true to himself and his music.... so glad he fought to use his actual name, kind of a testament to his career, authentic is the word that comes to mind when I think of him.
Not much to add to these excellent replies. I agree with Bud's comparison to Seger especially Jack and Diane vs Night Moves or Like a Rock that highlights growing up in working class USA.... The Professor continues to impress me with his amazing stories.
John is one of the most underrated musicians and songwriters of all time. He was able to make hits and be the “it guy” while actually adding substance. He fought to be himself and do it his way. But most impressive to me is the way he fit lyrics together in a way that it almost sounds like having a conversation while still fitting perfectly into the song. Songwriters are lucky to have one lyric, one line that is so profound that it stays with the listener for years, John has countless lines like that. They’re all over every album. He is truly in Bob Dylan’s class as a songwriter. He should get more recognition. He’s nothing short of genius.
I was 16 when this song came out. It epitomized my life at the time in so many ways. Hearing those lyrics, “holdin’ on to 16….” really struck me, and made me realize how fleeting those last few years of “life before adulthood” would be. To this day, every time I hear the song, I am transported right back to my high school years, cruising around with my “Jack” and learning about life and love.
Hey Jennifer. I totally get it. I was 16 too when this song came out. On September 1982 this song was played a lot on local radio. I had a major crush on this girl ‘Dienna’ who’s locker was right beside mine. And yes ‘hold onto 16 as long as you can’ had an impact….and still does! ❤
I agree I to was 16 playing football in High School. I try to hold on to 16 for as long as I could just like you say, and when I hear it, it takes me back to that football field, singing this song with all my friends like we did
This is a song that transcends time and even tastes. My family is musically diverse. I grew up with 60's and 70's rock, but hit high school in time to hop and jump to great 80's beats. My wife is Latina, and prefers really soulful ballads and more complex Latin beats, but still loved disco and soft rock. My kids are children of the 90's. I still introduced them to a lot of older music. One day, the whole family is in the car going somewhere - the kids were high school age at the time - and for some reason - honestly, I've no idea why! - I belted out a capella "Here's a little ditty about Jack and Diane...." Without missing a beat, one of my sons responded with "two American kids growing up, in the heartland." Before long, everyone except my wife had joined this a capella performance, singing with vigor together the chorus "Oh yeah, life goes on!" My wife watched on with amazement. She had never heard the song before. I was surprised that everyone else knew it so well. It was a joyous coming together as a family that was only equaled one other time when someone started us off with "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?". Those are the only two songs that got the whole family (except my wife) singing a capella together without missing any lyrics ot parts. That puts this song in rarified air and spanning generations and tastes like few songs do. Thank you, John Mellencamp, for holding your ground, and giving us this classic just the way you did!
@@lokijordan "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy. Born in a landslide; no escape from reality. Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see. I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy. Because it's 'easy come, easy go', any way the wind blows...nothing really matters [nothing really matters] to me."
This came out my senior year (class of 83) & It was HUGE! I remember getting in my car after walking out of school, turning the key & Jack & Diane was playing. I sat there, singing along with it cranked up & a bunch of my friends came over & EVERYONE was singing along!! It was one of those moments you never forget. I saw him in concert the following year & he was amazing!!
@@javiermoretti1825 Anytime you hear it now do you remember back when you heard it in HS, a particular memories? Good times or I should say Great times!! It's gone by so fast
First heard this song when I was nine years old. My sixteen year old Uncle Ger sang it to me. He was the youngest of his generation, I was the oldest of the next. To me, he was my big Brother. He turned me onto so much good music over the years. We lost him two years ago,he was only 53. He was a hero to more than me. This song always reminds me of him. Rest in peace Brother.
To her credit my sister was a big fan of his before this record came out and she used to play his music off hours at our family restaurant so I got to know and love his music as well and I was always so happy he dropped the "Cougar" from his name and went with Mellencamp. He is such a great story teller and Jack and Diane just proves it, along with so many more of his iconic hits. Thanks for this. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada. 🍁
The songwriting and story is perfection.John went roots Americana.When done right is heaven and he nailed it.His body of work after this album were great too.His music is interesting art that speaks for the common man.
I heard John once say that the hand claps were used like a click track during recording to maintain the meter. When they mixed the song they discovered that it was the claps that really held the song together.
I was a teenager in rural Utah in the 80's, and I remember hearing John's songs on the radio all the time. I've always liked this song, and boy does it bring back some memories of growing up in a small community. When people say that your high school years are the best years of your life and to enjoy them while they last, they aren't lying. Once you hit adulthood and the responsibilities that go along with it, you slowly start to realize how true that little piece of advice is. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Luckily I was a teenager when the British Invasion it hit America ( wonderful I know) . Luckily I was still young enough to immerse myself in the EXCELLENT 1980’s . WOW I was born in just the right time to have had the greatest music as the background music of my life 🎉
I agree it’s one of the best songs of that era… however my high school years were the worst.. not everyone has that experience. I’m much happier at 48 than i ever was aa teenager. The lyrics about how life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone hit hard..
Was really glad he dropped the stage name ‘Cougar’ since he expressed in interviews that he didn’t like it. He was talented enough to be himself and to finally be able to make music on his own terms - just what any artist wants! Thanks, Adam, for the complete background story of this & many artists! Thank you for the behind the scenes stories to our favorite music, Professor!
This is up there with Bob Segar’s “Night Moves” for its storytelling quality. It is Americana boiled down to its lyrical essence. It’s a master class in song writing.
I was 15 when 'Jack and Diane' came out so the line 'hold on to 16 as long as you can' hit me pretty hard. It was a reminder the carefree days of high school would be gone before I knew it. Hearing that line over and over on the radio helped me stop being so introverted and pushed me out of my comfort zone. It's been 40 years and every time I hear that song it brings back a lot of great memories.
Being from Indiana,and also being a musician,I was so lucky to have met John Mellenkamp! What it takes to perfom every gig,and give your heart to the crowd is unimaginably hard.He is a real down to earth personality,who does'nt have that;"Im a big rockstar",Persona.I loved to cover his songs,and everyone in tha audience always danced,and sang the song with us.Ty John for helping us relive those wonderful years!
The lyrics that hit me the hardest are at the end -- "Two American kids doing the best they can." Because, really, that's all of us, isn't it? We grow up faster than we want and at the same time way slower than we wish, we get some things right, we get some things wrong, we screw some things up royally, but at the end of the day we're just trying to find our way and do the best we can.
Can you imagine never hearing Jack and Diane, a song that gave so many 80s kids that motto “ Life goes on “? Thank you John for fighting for your music
John Mellencamp is an American treasure. My favorite song of his is Little Pink Houses. It's the most patriotic modern song to me and I get misty-eyed when I hear it.
Rain on the Scarecrow... Is the one that makes me cry. I grew up as a farmer's daughter. I know the trials & struggles of being someone who makes a living through ag.
I love John Mellencamp, I never realised that he changed his stage moniker multiple times. The twins from "Blackish" were named after this song, which they even acknowledge in one episode.
As an 80's kid, I was not a John Cougar fan, but Jack and Diane gets to you, even if you're in a big city -- it's universal in its end-of-youth rejection, I was 16 in 1981, yeah, this song spoke to me and my youthful ideals, still does today. Great story, thanks Prof.
John Mellencamp was was huge in Aussie rural/regional pubs. He spoke about us outside of the cities. He even had a cover band over here called Scarecrow; gives you a hint of another Mellencamp classic loved by rural Aussies. Mellencamp is a legend. Writing this brings to mind the great song Rain on the Scarecrow and as a farmer it gives me shivers. He really got in the mindset of the farming family.
I saw him in melbourne for the scarecrow tour in 1986. it was truly an amazing performance, hit after hit, over 2 hours and 27 songs: one of the best concerts i' have ever been to.
We lived in Indiana for 32 years and raised our family there. To ME, John’s signature song will ALWAYS be “I Was Born in a Small Town”. He’s never forgotten his roots and he’s proud of them.
I can see why the executives thought it was ragged. His vocal delivery has a raggedness and edge that makes it fresh and in the moment. Along with the wordiness of Jack & Diane it sounds spontaneous every time you hear it. But that’s what great about it. There’s perfection in the imperfection.
Tom Petty knew how bad the record labels can be.. "His leather jacket had chains that would jingle They both met movie stars, partied and mingled Their A&R man said, "I don't hear a single" The future was wide open"
I'm a 90s/00s kid, and this is one of my all time favs! My dad played John's music constantly on his car's CD player whenever me and my bro would go out for rides. I learned a lot about music from my dad like you did. He passed on in 2020 during the pandemic, and it still stings, but I'm so often reminded of how sweet those memories are.
I've followed him since "American Fool". Was blessed to find a copy of "A Biography" back in 1982 before he smashed the charts... and just fell in love with his music. It's 2023, and I'm still listening to him because there's nothing else out there that expresses "LIFE" better. (Well... Tom Petty does an exceptional job as well.... )
John Mellencamp was for 80s kids such as myself our poet he was our champion for all of the underdogs and working class his songs gave us inspiration and encouragement
I loved Jack and Diane in fall winter 1982 through early 1983 - played the cassette tape of that song after school everyday when I was in 5th grade because I loved the drums part ! That song and Men At Work’s Who Can It Be Now ? because of the drums in that song too- it was a cassette tape that my mom created from recording variety hit songs from the radio The drums in both songs are iconic sounds !
I remember watching an interview and John Mellencamp said his Grandma gave him that "saying"... "Life goes on, long after the thrill of livin' is gone"... I probably went to school with him, I was born in Seymour, In the same year - there was only one school, who knows, we may have gone to recess together. Small world, for sure. I never liked "Jack and Diane" that much, until you explained it - like it better now.
I remember first hearing this song staying up way past my bedtime watching the Solid Gold Countdown of the top 40 songs of 1982, waiting to see if Eye of the Tiger would be #1. Though I could barely keep my 6-year-old eyes open, I was immediately transfixed by John Cougar. February 1983. Hard to believe 40 years have passed…
My favorite artist hands down. Have every album thats available on vinyl. First couple are rough. Can see John finding his voice both in writing and sound. Guys like Mellencamp, Seger and Springsteen took a little while to get everything together. The days when labels hung on just long enough.
John Mellencamp had authenticity, which I feel connected him to rural America. During the farm crises, Mr. Mellencamp played a three song set in Chillicothe, Missouri in support of the farmers there who had gathered to protest the lending practices of the local savings & loan. I grew up about 30 miles away from Chillicothe, in a small agricultural town. Mr. Mellencamp cemented his legacy to many Midwesterners on that day in 1986.
I always hated the “Cougar” moniker… Another great story, Professor! I’d love to see you do an interview with Jellyfish. That would be an epic story… if you could get Andy Sturmer on board! Thanks as always!!!
Guys, this week Adam was on fire covering the classics and comforting the cockles of my cold and fragile heart. I’ve had a crazy past month, but this week was just the WORST for me. I did hang out a lot with family and friends, but the real reward was connecting myself with classic music of the past and interacting with a community that is the epitome of respect, diversity, and kindness. I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart. I just wish I experienced the exhilarating joy of the 80s. What an amazing decade to grow up in. You guys had it all. Imagine the possibilities you could come up with without too much internet at your fingertips!
Sorry that you had a rough week. Glad you were able to connect to the music. Yeah, the 80s were a fabulous time to come of age. It has to be a lot harder for youth nowadays.
Today was my 90-something-year-old uncle’s funeral and his son talked about his father growing up before television and how so many of them played instruments and told funny stories because they had to entertain themselves. I grew up before the 80s but the 80s were my falling in love years. But either way it is about connecting with the joy in life no matter what is going on around us.
Yes and no. I have the entire library of modern music in my pocket and earbuds. I explore all sorts of music I would never buy a cassette of broadening my tastes. But there was no autotune in the 80s and a lot of quality music I'll never forget.
Nothing Matters and What If It Did, American Fool and Scarecrow just seemed to me to continue his evolution into what I would describe as the Midwest Bruce Springsteen.
I agree. Him, Springsteen, and Bob Seger, I considered blue collar working man's Rock. I also place Bryan Adams and Huey Lewis there but a bit more polished.
I remember when the song came out. My mom had a friend named Diane who was staying with us for a short time, and I would listen to the song with her. I always wonder what happened to Diane, and this song brings back fond memories of that time. Plus the bass from the kick drum (whether is is real or synth) is amazing on good speakers!
I don't even know what number I am today. 🤣 I remember John/Johnny Cougar/Mellencamp/Mellenhead having problems with his label. I always appreciate an artist who stands up for themselves. It normally is a David vs Goliath situation. Jack and Diane was everywhere in 82. I remember everybody in high school would sing it loudly (and poorly). Fun fact: John has been married to 2 supermodels. Neither one was named Diane. 🤣 Fun fact 2: I had dinner with John and his band in a Mayflower van as part of a promotion in Pittsburgh on a Thanksgiving night 1986. "Dinner on the Mayflower". Thanks for this Professor. John is one of the good guys. And a Pittsburgh Steeler reference!
One of the great American song writers. It literally takes an entire day to listen to all his great songs. Even into the 90''s and 2000's he was putting out great material.
In the video I love the way John sings and sells it... he seems to be passionate about the words and the story. So it amazes me to hear that John originally wasn't a big fan of the song himself and had to be talked into including it on the album!
So glad that I found your show and subscribed. An older brother turned me on to John Mellencamp and I have never regretted it. My two older brothers had turntables and reel to reel tape players in our basement and they got me hooked on 50s and 60s rock and roll and I took from there. Thank you Professor for sharing Rock history.
With each passing year I realize how on top of good (lasting) music I was in the late 70's early 80's (if I'm allowed to be so bold). As soon as I heard "Cougar's" first album, I snatched it up. Had it right alongside Talking Heads, Split Enz, Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, Blondie . . .
A friend ran up to me one day and shouted "Listen".... It was this song.... we both agreed that it was amazing. It sucked us into it the same way that Seeger's "Night Moves" did... I'm glad that you presented this song today... it brought back good memories of a friend who passed away way too soon..... thank you.
I can actually remember the moment I first heard the song. I was 12 at the time and at a craft class. It bonded me to my friend at the time and we thought we were cool because we “discovered” this awesome song I always carried that line with me about holding on to 16 “as long as I can.” It’s so true. You’re different when you get older. Life gets in the way
@@ProfessorofRock I think I’m one of the only 80s kids that hates The Breakfast Club. But he was right You can still love. But your heart is no longer that much alive
I remember a carefree night when I was in high school cruising around with some coworker friends after work and Jack and Diane came on the radio. The gal driving was more of a rap fan but I'd put my foot down occasionally and force her to listen to some good music. I'll never forget her twisting her face up at the "hold onto 16" line and saying "why? I can't wait to get older." I understood the line despite being a teenager myself but didn't try to explain. She's about 46 now, I wonder how she feels about that now.
I was playing this song in my car a few weeks ago while driving my 15-year-old daughter home from a school play practice. Naturally, she'd heard dozens of times over the years. But when it got to the chorus she sang, "...long after the threat of livin' has gone." She was happy to learn it was "thrill" as "threat" didn't really make sense in her mind. To my 50-year-old mind, though, "threat" was starting make more sense. Ha! Another great one, Adam. Thanks.
I always correct my son on lyrics, not because I want to be a pedantic know-it-all but because I know he truly wants to know the right words and what the artists were saying. He thanks me for it. He's become a good guitarist too, and I often hear him playing songs that were part of the soundtrack of my youth (and ever since). Parenting win.
Jack and Diane are the story of life wrapped up in a song about growing up. "Oh yes, life (does) go on, long after the THRILL of living is gone" John said it so well. I'll guess those record execs were mad because they knew that he was right, and they had lost the thrill. Life does go on and soon age and declining health kill the thrill. I have first hand experience. ;-)
John Mellencamp is another artist whose music I heard in my youth whose name I didn't learn until after the 80s. My jam was "Small Town", because I knew at age four that Washingtonville, NY where I grew up was the epitome of what Mellencamp sang about. And because Neil Diamond was my first pop music hero, I would never for a microsecond have confused him with Mellencamp. Regarding "Jack and Diane", song which didn't really come my way until I had become a teenager, I can tell you that I have known 60-somethings that have fallen in love but have yet to grow up. Call it what you like, but what I see is a person or persons trying to pretend they haven't become an adult or gotten older. For my part, the part of 16 that I have always attempted to hang onto, even though I am 43 as I receive my comment, is the aspiration I had at that age to become noted as a musician myself.
I love so many of his songs. This song hit the airwaves when I was about to turn 16 and it helped me to go into it with an increased sense of self-awareness. If he ever did a small to medium sized venue near me, he's one of the few artists I would go see.
I’m from Indiana and went to college there in the mid 70s. We used to see John Cougar all the time. He would often perform at the area colleges and small venues. This must have been before he signed with a label. I lost track of him and was really surprised to discover him again as John Mellencamp. I saw him again in a large venue. His energy was off the charts. Honestly, one of my best ever concerts.
I remember when I was 16 in 1990-1991 and I was hearing that line “hold onto 16 as long as you can”, I was like yeah, I’ll hold onto it for 12 months until I turn 17. 😂
John has written so many great songs. It's pretty much the story of his life that we can all relate to. So happy to own all of his collection. Oh yeah, I'm from Indiana as well. :)
I was always shocked when I found out Mick Ronson was on this album, and even more shocked to hear how much he helped finalize Jack & Diane. It actually makes sense when you realize how pivotal Ronson was in blending acoustics and electrics on those early Bowie records. Mellencamp has since in interviews spoken about how he would just get baked and listen to Bowie or Roxy Music. I never pictured it, but I get it.
I took John's words to heart when I heard "long after the trill is gone" and still try to live like I'm in my youth (when possible) John is a true mid American icon hero! Great episode professor I'm glad he didn't back down. I have seen John several times before his heart attack he never failed to put on a great show. Forget all about that macho stuff and learn how to play guitar!
@Anna Trail, me, too. I’ve maintained the thrill of living. I try to be excited about something every day, just like when I was a kid. I’m close to 60 years old, but I still find things that amaze and excite me.
Even as a teenage heavy metal fan, the theme of this song spoke to me. Time is rolling up on 57 years old, but I hold on to sixteen. Folks ask why I pick that age and reference this song, not giving up the thrill of living.
This was on the radio when I was 8. I remembered hearing it again staying over at my then girlfriends house when I was 17. I loved it all over again but couldn’t remember who did it. Since then, this song reminds me of that time in life. The simplicity, my idiotic behavior, opportunities squandered, and lessons learned. A simpler time when the world was a more peaceful place. I always remember thinking back then that my time (80’s and 90’s) was so much more chaotic and it would have been better to be a teen in the 60’s. Oddly, my son reminisces about the 90’s like he lived through it even though he was born in 2008. I looked at my 14 year old son when he said that and told him, “You’re living the good old days right now. Try not to miss it.” What I learned too late was that the good old days are the days of your youth. Always enjoy the moment for what it is and not the ideal fantasy of a previous generation. Regardless of when you were born, this is your moment at this stage of life. Being a teen, your first child, retirement, everything has a season. Make it count.
I am excited to be seeing John Mellencamp on March 15th in Seattle. I ❤ Jack and Diane. I have this on a refrigerator magnet. It's a picture of John on his motor cycle, and it says, " Serve this man a chili dog ... from the Tasty Freeze Management. 😁 "Little ditty about Jack and Diane. Two American kids doing the best they can. "
@Anna Trail I am going by myself. I will be seeing Duran Duran in May with my sister and neighbor. Going to physical therapy for my ankle next week. I am off crutches and doing a little better.
@Anna Trail I hope you can go. A concert can be a good experience. It's also money well spent. I no longer sit in the front row. I have a seat in the upper mezzanine for $65.
I've seen Mellencamp twice. The first time was at Battelle Hall, Columbus, OH. 12/13/85. Scarecrow Tour. The second was at Battelle Hall, Columbus, OH. 12/4/87. Lonesome Jubilee Tour.
Saw John Cougar warm up for The Kinks when “I need a lover” had just come out. Out of over 200 concerts from 1978 till now, it’s the number one warm up performance I’ve ever seen. He was 1970’s Springsteen good for 30-40 minutes.
American songwriting icon. American Fool is a classic that warmed my alternative/Goth/Prince-loving heart. When I hear Jack and Diane in a shopping centre or wherever I stop to hear it again even though I already own it 😂. The painful nostalgia is beautiful. Hold on to 16 as long as you can.
I love how this song is a look back into an innocent and nostalgic time in life. Later in life, he wrote the song Eden is burning in which he once again looks back in time. This time it was Diane and Jack. Eden is burning is a look back on the dreams of our early adulthood when we were full of dreams for the future. He has never changed his style and yet still remains relevant. My pick for an opening that grabs you is his song Small Paradice. The notes on the piano have a melancholy feel. Mike
Love John Mellencamp. But in our family there is another song we sing. My Mom wanted to give our house charm. She picked the paint and My Dad and some of my siblings painted it ... Mauve and Baby Blue. After she passed away my Dad wanted to freshen the paint job. He tried to match the colors ... and you guessed it ... we ended up with a pink house!!! I sang "Little Pink Houses for you and me!" for years! My Dad has since passed and we had to sell our old house. My old neighbor had to send me a picture ... the new owners had painted it ... the end of an era. (Boring dark color now!) I guess I have my memories and a few pictures.
Jack & Diane came out when I was stationed in West Germany. Not only us GI's but the Germans loved it too and was played quite a bit at the clubs we went to.
Was a teen when this came out. You listen to the words, sing it and get nostalgic but once you got older the nostalgia slapped you in the face.....kinda like Summer of 69 Bryan Adams and Glory Days Bruce Springsteen. This album was a bomb of greatness. This song and Pink Houses are my faves from JM
Growing up in Indiana when these songs came out, they were/are basically the soundtrack to my pre-teen years. I still remember my dad playing this and scarecrow all the time, John being from around here made it even cooler and everyone I knew loved these songs and albums.
John Mellencamp is one of my favorite music stars of the 80's. I was aware of his music when I heard his first top 40 hits "I Need A Lover" and "Ain't Even Done With The Night (my favorite song of his). In 1982, I was 17 years old and a junior in high school. On my spare time, I was following the music charts and watching MTV. I remember when American Fool album was released. It was such a blockbuster success. It had the one-two punch with #1 "Jack and Diane" and #2 "Hurts So Good". I enjoyed both songs and bought the entire album. 1982 really was his breakout year where he became a major music superstar. He was such a force in the 1980's and he was the best at writing and singing heartland rock.
I have a couple of pictures autographed by Diane. Her real name is Victoria they were married during the video and 1st couple of albums. She's a lovely woman and
@@ProfessorofRock Believe me there's plenty that I wish I didn't. And a couple of handfuls of that I wish I took the time to get know better when the opportunity arouse. Like when I went to Robert Palmers house. We visited Dave and Tina Weymouth Tom Tom Club!
I was born in 73, so I was just reaching the age when I could control the dial (where previously it was controlled by my sister, four years my senior). For me, a Mellencamp song was never a “skip”-as we would come to say in the days of CDs-nor a “flip”- as we said in the days of airplay. Anthems of the rink, beltable favorites of the shower, stories endemic to our bittersweet coming-of-age-these songs are still favorites… though I don’t think I could’ve said it so eloquently as you (regarding Jack and Diane): “This song-It’s for you. It’s for you, it’s for me, it’s… it’s for everyone who’s ever lived a carefree youth… anybody who’s ever fallen in love and then had to grow up… afterwards.” That last phrase, Brother… that hit hard. Thank you for your channel 😌🙏
Most great songs can make you remember. The place in time you heard it, loved it. This is one of those rare songs. That can do just that. Plus, take you back to the age of innocents. Saving some of the greatest moments of your life in a song.
I remember Mellencamp being savaged by critics as a poor man's Springsteen, but he had a more natural ability to put forth the Americana ethos than Bruce, who by 1984 looked like he was going Hollywood. I thought American Fool was average but his follow-up albums were better and proved he was in it for the long haul.
In 1986 I was at THE Budokan to see J.M.’s only live appearance in Tokyo to date so far, and eventually found myself singing along “Oh yeah life goes on…”. That was the biggest sing-along experience in concert in my lifetime, I must say. Even bigger than “You Can’t Always Get What You Want’, “Hey Jude” and “Baba O’Riley” all of which I later experienced with original singers. Thanks so much Professor…”Zeppelin at Budokan” T-shirt looks so cool!
Adam, thanks for filling in the the blanks and adding in all of this cool history!! 👍👍 I was in high school when this was all happening and we were always wondering why John was changing his name so much!? And fantastic thatJohn stood up for what he believed in, against the know-it-all record executives!,Also remembering these first videos during the infancy of MTV. I remember them coming across as John being a tough biker. I think the videos took him to a huge level, that radio wouldn't have! Also, there was no mention here of his big heart attack ordeal? I guess that came much later....And I had mixed feelings about Jack and Diane but I'd like the video and now I appreciate the song More, now that I'm older. Although, didn't care for the sucking on,,! chili dog!,,, thought he should have said ,chewing on! 😅 🎶✨🎸🐦
Thanks for a great discussion P.O.R! Jack and Diane became a summer anthem for my early teens one summer in nowhere Pennsylvania in a small town of 1500 that was thirty minutes from anywhere. Once a year at Labor Day, our family fast-pitch softball stadium held an annual two weekend tournament and the town came alive with hundreds of “foreigners” and it felt like one long party to end the summer. It wasn’t the mid-west but it was our town and this song above all others seemed to weave itself into the fabric of those amazing memories before those late teens and beyond set in just like the song said. No Dairy Queen but we had Campbell’s ice cream and all us young fellas had our eyes looking out for our Diane. He gave our little diddy and I am grateful for that. Thanks for that walk down memory lane!
The song’s drum solo is a story in itself. In the words of Kenny Aronoff: After I programmed the drum parts on the Linn 1, I went into the lounge to play pool. Eventually John called for me and said, “We want a drum solo after the second chorus.” My immediate thought was, “Are you serious, a drum solo on a ballad? How the hell will I do that?”
@@timz9862 especially Kenny Aronoff! That was normal then, but it seems like a crazy thought today, to ask one of the most legendary session drummers of all time, to program electronic drums on your track.
My first husband and I went to Tennessee and bought an old 1970’s Plymouth to restore. It ran fairly decent but we had a 500+ mile trip back home. The ole gal didn’t have a radio and we were both music lovers, and John Mellencamp was our favorite artist. That trip took a little over 8hours. We sang every John Mellencamp song we knew, which was all of them, bc we had all his records. That is one of the best memories of my life.
Immediately like John when he (really) hit the scene circa 1981/2. Saw him perform on late night television and dug his quirky moves and raspy voice. Plus he was cute to boot. ✌
@@ProfessorofRock Absolutely agree Professor! Nothing Really Matters and What if it Did was my 1st John "Cougar" album. Got me through some tough times. It's still my favorite of his although all his work is top notch. Thanks for your work Professor! You're one of the best youtuber's around. ✌
I was there. This album was huge. Of course, Disco had just died and John was part of the rock-influx that we kids were told we should now be listening to. His first hit was firmly in the camp of what was known then as Dance Rock - after all, people still were flocking to the clubs and needed something to come over the sound system. He was seen as a poor man's Bruce Springsteen, who was also hitting big with his The RIver and Born In The USA albums.
I saw John Mellencamp on The Lonesome Jubilee tour. He did need to introduce Jack and Diane. The guitarist just played the opening riff from it and the crowd ERUPTED! 🎸
Even before “hurts so good” he had some pretty awesome songs like “I need a lover”. Did you know at the time it was the single with the longest intro before it goes into vocals? I think it was even longer than Papa was a Rolling Stone by The Temptations
I like I need a lover, but it’s the Pat Benatar’s version that I play, she doesn’t have that two minute intro. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great intro, but you can only listen to it 95 times before it gets old.
This song was a HUGE hit in our small town, especially for Jr. High & High School (Class of ‘87). We had a kinship with this song because we ACTUALLY HAD a Tastee🍦Freez where we’d hang out. This song would be chosen on the Juke Box, EVERY customer & ALL the employees would sing it as LOUD as possible! They also had some mighty good food! Sadly, that location closed. Now they’re only a few left. None in my area. Very fond memories though. ☺️
Poll: What is your pick for the greatest opening of an 80s hit? One that grabs your from the firs second?
Free Falling- Tom Petty
Sausalito Summernight - Diesel
Prince "Let's Go Crazy"
AC/DC - Back in Black;
Rush- Limelight;
Dire Straits- Money For Nothing;
Guns N’ Roses- Sweet Child of Mine.
....I'm hopped on Coffee, so I can't focus right now... but I'll give me FAVE opener... "Big Time" by Peter Gabriel! .... *HI, THERE!!* ..ha-HAAA!!
How in the world can you be a top level record executive and not know, from the first 10 seconds of this song, besides its gripping lyrics, that it wouldn't be a smash hit? I was 16 when this song came out, and held on to it as long as I could. One of the best songs of the 80s.
That's what I'm saying!!!
The music world is filled with these stories:
"Kiss" by Prince
"What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye
"LikevA Rolling Stone" by Bob Dylan...
ALL were rejected by the label and the artist had to fight for the song.
Ot's one person's personal opinion
I'm 43 and holding on to 16! Starting to lose my grip though, probably arthritis setting in. 😂
I know, right? A song that starts off strong like that will definitely hit BIG TIME.
I can tell you is that when ever these record executives eventually grew-up, not only did their hearts die, but, so did their souls.
Frank Zappa nailed it when he said the biggest difference and flaw between the early music industry and the modern industry was the early industry knew that they didn't know what the kids likes, so they didn't hesitate to release material they didn't understand. Later, the industry became dominated by people that were in music and thought they knew everything and effectively crushed the ability of the innovative and "different" artists in favor of formulaic success.
This is so true ❤
None of the music of now, 2023, speaks to me - or my kids! They can find tolerable stuff here and there, but it's really difficult. And there isn't the emotional connection. They like older stuff that was less commercial and had more emotion and feeling. I wish this style, and emotion, would come back, across genres.
🙏🏼💙
Actually Zappa is not exactly correct. The problem is 98% of the execs in any era only sell what they know has already sold. The one big difference that happened was the post-punk movement that broke apart all of the rules from the same three chords to breaking all of the genres. In the 80s, there were so many bands coming out with so many interesting songs, radio DJs constantly played all sorts of songs...as long as they were good, they could play. They didn't have to fit in to a known, commercial box. So because top 40 radio played anything...foreign language songs, reggae, mechanical sounding songs, new instruments just recently invented the last 10 years, female lead singers in bands, very heavy music, goth, alternate lifestyles, etc. that the record execs listening to the radio would be inspired to sign all sorts of bands.
Since we don't have that now, it's back to business as usual. Have another dose of Taylor Swift.
The label execs don’t always get it right. Thankfully, John had the confidence and courage to stand by his convictions and ultimately, his talent prevailed. Great story behind this tune. Thanks, Adam!
Well said! Have a great weekend Robster!
John had the arrogance to know his art is art. NEIL DIAMOND? What were they thinking
Record execs only care about money and know nothing about art
@@jennyfab312 Pretty sad!
John went on to have a plethora of 80s hits.
Label execs not only "don't always get it right" they criminally get it WRONG a lot
Meatloaf- bat out of hell
U2- as a group in general
Etc etc etc etc
There are story upon story of record execs poo pooing what later become huge successes
Not saying they "always get it wrong" or even "get it wrong majority of the time" but I do believe they get it wrong more than "don't always get it right"
Growing up in a small farm town, not far from Seymour Indiana, we "felt" these songs. This wasn't about LA, NYC or Chicago. John was speaking for us.
Same. Growing up in Idaho... Same.
Ain’t that America? 🇺🇸
Wisconsin farm kids loved his music. I still can't hear 'Scarecrow' without anger and sadness. I still love him and his music
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 yes, the good and the bad.
Living in Bloomington and unfortunately running into him more than a few times I can attest that he is a arrogant ass. Talented but a ass.
John Mellencamp is the EPITOME of the American Singer in the manner of Bob Seger. To me much more so than Bruce Springsteen. I love Jack and Diane and it was such an American story in song while in my high school years. I loved everything about it. He has continued to stay true to himself and his music.... so glad he fought to use his actual name, kind of a testament to his career, authentic is the word that comes to mind when I think of him.
Love Seger and Mellancamp. Love the Boss too. Thanks Bud!
@@ProfessorofRock three of my favorites
The older I get, the more I appreciate the Classic Rock artists.
The Americana trifecta.
JCM is on my mt Rushmore of rock with Bob seger, Tom Petty and Warren Zevon
Not much to add to these excellent replies. I agree with Bud's comparison to Seger especially Jack and Diane vs Night Moves or Like a Rock that highlights growing up in working class USA....
The Professor continues to impress me with his amazing stories.
John is one of the most underrated musicians and songwriters of all time. He was able to make hits and be the “it guy” while actually adding substance. He fought to be himself and do it his way. But most impressive to me is the way he fit lyrics together in a way that it almost sounds like having a conversation while still fitting perfectly into the song. Songwriters are lucky to have one lyric, one line that is so profound that it stays with the listener for years, John has countless lines like that. They’re all over every album. He is truly in Bob Dylan’s class as a songwriter. He should get more recognition. He’s nothing short of genius.
I was 16 when this song came out. It epitomized my life at the time in so many ways. Hearing those lyrics, “holdin’ on to 16….” really struck me, and made me realize how fleeting those last few years of “life before adulthood” would be. To this day, every time I hear the song, I am transported right back to my high school years, cruising around with my “Jack” and learning about life and love.
Hey Jennifer. I totally get it. I was 16 too when this song came out. On September 1982 this song was played a lot on local radio. I had a major crush on this girl ‘Dienna’ who’s locker was right beside mine. And yes ‘hold onto 16 as long as you can’ had an impact….and still does! ❤
Same here.
1982 i turned 15 in Nov but yea this song brings back those teenage years. I'm 55 now. Unreal that was 40 years ago
I just turned 17 on January 3, which makes the lyric even more haunting to me.
I agree I to was 16 playing football in High School. I try to hold on to 16 for as long as I could just like you say, and when I hear it, it takes me back to that football field, singing this song with all my friends like we did
This is a song that transcends time and even tastes.
My family is musically diverse. I grew up with 60's and 70's rock, but hit high school in time to hop and jump to great 80's beats. My wife is Latina, and prefers really soulful ballads and more complex Latin beats, but still loved disco and soft rock. My kids are children of the 90's. I still introduced them to a lot of older music.
One day, the whole family is in the car going somewhere - the kids were high school age at the time - and for some reason - honestly, I've no idea why! - I belted out a capella "Here's a little ditty about Jack and Diane...." Without missing a beat, one of my sons responded with "two American kids growing up, in the heartland." Before long, everyone except my wife had joined this a capella performance, singing with vigor together the chorus "Oh yeah, life goes on!" My wife watched on with amazement. She had never heard the song before. I was surprised that everyone else knew it so well. It was a joyous coming together as a family that was only equaled one other time when someone started us off with "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?". Those are the only two songs that got the whole family (except my wife) singing a capella together without missing any lyrics ot parts.
That puts this song in rarified air and spanning generations and tastes like few songs do.
Thank you, John Mellencamp, for holding your ground, and giving us this classic just the way you did!
This song is such a spiritual connector. You guys have so many diverse tastes in the family.
Great story, but what was the other song?
@@lokijordan "Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy. Born in a landslide; no escape from reality. Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see. I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy. Because it's 'easy come, easy go', any way the wind blows...nothing really matters [nothing really matters] to me."
@@deeperthings 😀 Awesome sing-along song with the kids! Who needs 99 Bottles of Beer, right?
This came out my senior year (class of 83) & It was HUGE! I remember getting in my car after walking out of school, turning the key & Jack & Diane was playing. I sat there, singing along with it cranked up & a bunch of my friends came over & EVERYONE was singing along!! It was one of those moments you never forget. I saw him in concert the following year & he was amazing!!
Same graduation year for me as well, and same effect. It was the soundtrack of my senior year.
@@javiermoretti1825 Anytime you hear it now do you remember back when you heard it in HS, a particular memories? Good times or I should say Great times!! It's gone by so fast
First heard this song when I was nine years old. My sixteen year old Uncle Ger sang it to me. He was the youngest of his generation, I was the oldest of the next. To me, he was my big Brother. He turned me onto so much good music over the years.
We lost him two years ago,he was only 53. He was a hero to more than me.
This song always reminds me of him.
Rest in peace Brother.
So sad. My condolences.
I'm sorry.
One of the best lines in a song: "Life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone." The older I get the truer that is. Love this song.
To her credit my sister was a big fan of his before this record came out and she used to play his music off hours at our family restaurant so I got to know and love his music as well and I was always so happy he dropped the "Cougar" from his name and went with Mellencamp. He is such a great story teller and Jack and Diane just proves it, along with so many more of his iconic hits. Thanks for this. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada. 🍁
Same. I never understood COUGAR.
good music but an arrogant man, he left the stage early and refused to do encore when someone yelled something he didn't like at bluesfest
He’s not even that old or dating a younger woman.
@@geraldluimes4926 nooo, really? I’ve never seen him live. What did the person yell?
@@littlecatfeet9064 not sure we were back a bit from the stage. he just lest suddenly and we missed "hurt so good"
"Jack & Diane" is a certifiable classic from start to finish!
No question. Thanks Scott!
It is simultaneously complex and simple. That to me is what makes it so good.
I agree. Great song.
No!
The songwriting and story is perfection.John went roots Americana.When done right is heaven and he nailed it.His body of work after this album were great too.His music is interesting art that speaks for the common man.
I heard John once say that the hand claps were used like a click track during recording to maintain the meter. When they mixed the song they discovered that it was the claps that really held the song together.
I've heard the same. Thanks Kerry!
We all impulsively clap along to it, right?
I was a teenager in rural Utah in the 80's, and I remember hearing John's songs on the radio all the time.
I've always liked this song, and boy does it bring back some memories of growing up in a small community.
When people say that your high school years are the best years of your life and to enjoy them while they last, they aren't lying. Once you hit adulthood and the responsibilities that go along with it, you slowly start to realize how true that little piece of advice is.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
You're welcome!
We can all relate to this song. I’m in high school right now. Life goes on.
Luckily I was a teenager when the British Invasion it hit America ( wonderful
I know) . Luckily I was still young enough to immerse myself in the EXCELLENT 1980’s .
WOW I was born in just the right time to have had the greatest music as the background music of my life 🎉
I agree it’s one of the best songs of that era… however my high school years were the worst.. not everyone has that experience. I’m much happier at 48 than i ever was aa teenager. The lyrics about how life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone hit hard..
@@gdawg4911 I can relate
Was really glad he dropped the stage name ‘Cougar’ since he expressed in interviews that he didn’t like it. He was talented enough to be himself and to finally be able to make music on his own terms - just what any artist wants! Thanks, Adam, for the complete background story of this & many artists! Thank you for the behind the scenes stories to our favorite music, Professor!
Me tool. Thanks for watching!
In what way is he a cougar? 😂
This is up there with Bob Segar’s “Night Moves” for its storytelling quality. It is Americana boiled down to its lyrical essence. It’s a master class in song writing.
I was 15 when 'Jack and Diane' came out so the line 'hold on to 16 as long as you can' hit me pretty hard. It was a reminder the carefree days of high school would be gone before I knew it. Hearing that line over and over on the radio helped me stop being so introverted and pushed me out of my comfort zone. It's been 40 years and every time I hear that song it brings back a lot of great memories.
I agree. I became an extrovert when I reunited with my friends in 7th grade after a full year of bullying and harassment.
Being from Indiana,and also being a musician,I was so lucky to have met John Mellenkamp! What it takes to perfom every gig,and give your heart to the crowd is unimaginably hard.He is a real down to earth personality,who does'nt have that;"Im a big rockstar",Persona.I loved to cover his songs,and everyone in tha audience always danced,and sang the song with us.Ty John for helping us relive those wonderful years!
He’s the master of telling a story through music.
The lyrics that hit me the hardest are at the end -- "Two American kids doing the best they can." Because, really, that's all of us, isn't it? We grow up faster than we want and at the same time way slower than we wish, we get some things right, we get some things wrong, we screw some things up royally, but at the end of the day we're just trying to find our way and do the best we can.
Time flies indeed. The human race makes mistakes.
@kbail Cherry Bomb is a great tune
Can you imagine never hearing Jack and Diane, a song that gave so many 80s kids that motto “ Life goes on “? Thank you John for fighting for your music
John Mellencamp is an American treasure.
My favorite song of his is Little Pink Houses. It's the most patriotic modern song to me and I get misty-eyed when I hear it.
Well, Ain't that America...
Ain’t that (what used to be) America?
I don’t think you understand the song lyrics. It’s as patriotic as Born in the USA.
Rain on the Scarecrow...
Is the one that makes me cry. I grew up as a farmer's daughter. I know the trials & struggles of being someone who makes a living through ag.
I love John Mellencamp, I never realised that he changed his stage moniker multiple times. The twins from "Blackish" were named after this song, which they even acknowledge in one episode.
That's right! Thanks Trina
Jack and Diane?
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 Yep, the very same ones. Their mum Rainbow explained that "John Mellencamp wrote a song about you."
As an 80's kid, I was not a John Cougar fan, but Jack and Diane gets to you, even if you're in a big city -- it's universal in its end-of-youth rejection, I was 16 in 1981, yeah, this song spoke to me and my youthful ideals, still does today. Great story, thanks Prof.
I have been a big fan of Mellencamp ever since I first heard him on MTV.
Same Darrel!
Me too.
John Mellencamp was was huge in Aussie rural/regional pubs. He spoke about us outside of the cities. He even had a cover band over here called Scarecrow; gives you a hint of another Mellencamp classic loved by rural Aussies. Mellencamp is a legend.
Writing this brings to mind the great song Rain on the Scarecrow and as a farmer it gives me shivers. He really got in the mindset of the farming family.
I remember seeing Scarecrow, they were pretty good.
@@chairmanrexton956 saw them myself at the Korumburra top pub. A great night.
@@cowcocky Ballarat was where I saw them
I think I bought the single for Rain on the Scarecrow back in the day
I saw him in melbourne for the scarecrow tour in 1986. it was truly an amazing performance, hit after hit, over 2 hours and 27 songs: one of the best concerts i' have ever been to.
what was the venue bro?
Was there for the Scarecrow tour in Perth in 1986. Time files. 😊
We lived in Indiana for 32 years and raised our family there. To ME, John’s signature song will ALWAYS be “I Was Born in a Small Town”. He’s never forgotten his roots and he’s proud of them.
I can see why the executives thought it was ragged. His vocal delivery has a raggedness and edge that makes it fresh and in the moment. Along with the wordiness of Jack & Diane it sounds spontaneous every time you hear it. But that’s what great about it. There’s perfection in the imperfection.
Tom Petty knew how bad the record labels can be..
"His leather jacket had chains that would jingle
They both met movie stars, partied and mingled
Their A&R man said, "I don't hear a single"
The future was wide open"
I'm a 90s/00s kid, and this is one of my all time favs! My dad played John's music constantly on his car's CD player whenever me and my bro would go out for rides. I learned a lot about music from my dad like you did. He passed on in 2020 during the pandemic, and it still stings, but I'm so often reminded of how sweet those memories are.
Go dad!
I've followed him since "American Fool". Was blessed to find a copy of "A Biography" back in 1982 before he smashed the charts... and just fell in love with his music. It's 2023, and I'm still listening to him because there's nothing else out there that expresses "LIFE" better. (Well... Tom Petty does an exceptional job as well.... )
Tom Petty, Bob Seger, Bruce Springsteen, they do it all.
Really glad to see him come out on top despite those unnecessary struggles. It's classic that proved himself in the end.
It's a classic with a capital C
@@ProfessorofRock Absolutely man
He was courageous.
John Mellencamp was for 80s kids such as myself our poet he was our champion for all of the underdogs and working class his songs gave us inspiration and encouragement
His Masters is in Jukebox Poetry.
I loved Jack and Diane in fall winter 1982 through early 1983 - played the cassette tape of that song after school everyday when I was in 5th grade because I loved the drums part ! That song and Men At Work’s Who Can It Be Now ? because of the drums in that song too- it was a cassette tape that my mom created from recording variety hit songs from the radio
The drums in both songs are iconic sounds !
Good call!
The latter song replaced Jack & Diane at #1, interestingly. Nothing screams 80s better than big drums!
Yes, you nailed it!
I remember watching an interview and John Mellencamp said his Grandma gave him that "saying"... "Life goes on, long after the thrill of livin' is gone"... I probably went to school with him, I was born in Seymour, In the same year - there was only one school, who knows, we may have gone to recess together. Small world, for sure. I never liked "Jack and Diane" that much, until you explained it - like it better now.
1951, right?
I remember first hearing this song staying up way past my bedtime watching the Solid Gold Countdown of the top 40 songs of 1982, waiting to see if Eye of the Tiger would be #1. Though I could barely keep my 6-year-old eyes open, I was immediately transfixed by John Cougar. February 1983. Hard to believe 40 years have passed…
My favorite artist hands down. Have every album thats available on vinyl. First couple are rough. Can see John finding his voice both in writing and sound. Guys like Mellencamp, Seger and Springsteen took a little while to get everything together. The days when labels hung on just long enough.
That’s true.
John Mellencamp had authenticity, which I feel connected him to rural America. During the farm crises, Mr. Mellencamp played a three song set in Chillicothe, Missouri in support of the farmers there who had gathered to protest the lending practices of the local savings & loan. I grew up about 30 miles away from Chillicothe, in a small agricultural town. Mr. Mellencamp cemented his legacy to many Midwesterners on that day in 1986.
He’s so selfless.
I always hated the “Cougar” moniker…
Another great story, Professor!
I’d love to see you do an interview with Jellyfish. That would be an epic story… if you could get Andy Sturmer on board!
Thanks as always!!!
Great suggestion!
John Mellencamp co-produced James McMurtry’s debut album “Too Long in the Wasteland”. For that alone I love him.
I agree. Very cool. Thanks Matilda.
He’s a multitalented fellow.
Guys, this week Adam was on fire covering the classics and comforting the cockles of my cold and fragile heart. I’ve had a crazy past month, but this week was just the WORST for me. I did hang out a lot with family and friends, but the real reward was connecting myself with classic music of the past and interacting with a community that is the epitome of respect, diversity, and kindness. I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart. I just wish I experienced the exhilarating joy of the 80s. What an amazing decade to grow up in. You guys had it all. Imagine the possibilities you could come up with without too much internet at your fingertips!
Sorry that you had a rough week. Glad you were able to connect to the music. Yeah, the 80s were a fabulous time to come of age. It has to be a lot harder for youth nowadays.
Today was my 90-something-year-old uncle’s funeral and his son talked about his father growing up before television and how so many of them played instruments and told funny stories because they had to entertain themselves. I grew up before the 80s but the 80s were my falling in love years. But either way it is about connecting with the joy in life no matter what is going on around us.
Yes and no. I have the entire library of modern music in my pocket and earbuds.
I explore all sorts of music I would never buy a cassette of broadening my tastes.
But there was no autotune in the 80s and a lot of quality music I'll never forget.
@@wishingb5859 So sorry for your loss! Hang in there friend.
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 You hang in there, too.
From the first time I heard this song in 1982, when I was 17, I thought, "But the thrill of living doesn't have to be gone."
Love this!
Haha, right? The people in Okinawa have lessons for us.
At 17 you can be the Dancing Queen. Or go with Janis Ian's "At 17." Or (mostt likely) both.
Nothing Matters and What If It Did, American Fool and Scarecrow just seemed to me to continue his evolution into what I would describe as the Midwest Bruce Springsteen.
I agree. Him, Springsteen, and Bob Seger, I considered blue collar working man's Rock. I also place Bryan Adams and Huey Lewis there but a bit more polished.
Good way of putting it.
He is the Boss’ musical cousin for sure.
I remember when the song came out. My mom had a friend named Diane who was staying with us for a short time, and I would listen to the song with her. I always wonder what happened to Diane, and this song brings back fond memories of that time. Plus the bass from the kick drum (whether is is real or synth) is amazing on good speakers!
That's a really cool association with the song!
Great anecdote.
I talked to a few Diane’s recently.
I had a coworker in the 1990's Brock who had a wife named Diane & we would occasionally recite the song line with his name instead.
Always liked his whiskey and cigarettes voice, it made him stand out in the early 80s.
For sure. Good way of saying it!
His rasp, part of the charm.
Sometimes you have to just believe in yourself! Great story Professor!🤘🔥
Always!
I don't even know what number I am today. 🤣
I remember John/Johnny Cougar/Mellencamp/Mellenhead having problems with his label. I always appreciate an artist who stands up for themselves. It normally is a David vs Goliath situation.
Jack and Diane was everywhere in 82. I remember everybody in high school would sing it loudly (and poorly).
Fun fact: John has been married to 2 supermodels. Neither one was named Diane. 🤣
Fun fact 2: I had dinner with John and his band in a Mayflower van as part of a promotion in Pittsburgh on a Thanksgiving night 1986. "Dinner on the Mayflower".
Thanks for this Professor.
John is one of the good guys. And a Pittsburgh Steeler reference!
He stood up to the man! Thanks Roger!
Melonhead? 🤨
Forgot Benatar got "I Need a Lover" from Mellencamp's catalogue... a remake well done..
Yes she did.
One of the great American song writers. It literally takes an entire day to listen to all his great songs. Even into the 90''s and 2000's he was putting out great material.
His daughter Teddi was a Real Housewife, of course.
In the video I love the way John sings and sells it... he seems to be passionate about the words and the story. So it amazes me to hear that John originally wasn't a big fan of the song himself and had to be talked into including it on the album!
I agree. It's his CONVICTION>
It’s how a real story should be told. Bravo, John.
So glad that I found your show and subscribed.
An older brother turned me on to John Mellencamp and I have never regretted it.
My two older brothers had turntables and reel to reel tape players in our basement and they got me hooked on 50s and 60s rock and roll and I took from there. Thank you Professor for sharing Rock history.
With each passing year I realize how on top of good (lasting) music I was in the late 70's early 80's (if I'm allowed to be so bold). As soon as I heard "Cougar's" first album, I snatched it up. Had it right alongside Talking Heads, Split Enz, Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, Blondie . . .
Same!
I wore that first album out! Sugar Marie and Chinatown and I need a lover. Absolutely stellar!
@@MyName-pl7zn I guess Pat Benetar did as well!
Joe Jackson is sneakily underrated
@@ktpinnacle yes I remember her version was great but John's is better, love that intro.
A friend ran up to me one day and shouted "Listen".... It was this song.... we both agreed that it was amazing. It sucked us into it the same way that Seeger's "Night Moves" did... I'm glad that you presented this song today... it brought back good memories of a friend who passed away way too soon..... thank you.
I can actually remember the moment I first heard the song. I was 12 at the time and at a craft class. It bonded me to my friend at the time and we thought we were cool because we “discovered” this awesome song
I always carried that line with me about holding on to 16 “as long as I can.”
It’s so true. You’re different when you get older. Life gets in the way
When you grow up... your heart dies... John Hughes.
@@ProfessorofRock I think I’m one of the only 80s kids that hates The Breakfast Club. But he was right
You can still love. But your heart is no longer that much alive
I remember a carefree night when I was in high school cruising around with some coworker friends after work and Jack and Diane came on the radio. The gal driving was more of a rap fan but I'd put my foot down occasionally and force her to listen to some good music. I'll never forget her twisting her face up at the "hold onto 16" line and saying "why? I can't wait to get older." I understood the line despite being a teenager myself but didn't try to explain. She's about 46 now, I wonder how she feels about that now.
I will walk across the stage to get my high school diploma in June of 2024. It’s unbelievable how fast life goes on.
I was playing this song in my car a few weeks ago while driving my 15-year-old daughter home from a school play practice. Naturally, she'd heard dozens of times over the years. But when it got to the chorus she sang, "...long after the threat of livin' has gone." She was happy to learn it was "thrill" as "threat" didn't really make sense in her mind. To my 50-year-old mind, though, "threat" was starting make more sense. Ha! Another great one, Adam. Thanks.
I always correct my son on lyrics, not because I want to be a pedantic know-it-all but because I know he truly wants to know the right words and what the artists were saying. He thanks me for it. He's become a good guitarist too, and I often hear him playing songs that were part of the soundtrack of my youth (and ever since). Parenting win.
I graduated in 1983, so this song belongs to my youth.
Same here! good call Charles.
My aunt graduated the same year!
Jack and Diane are the story of life wrapped up in a song about growing up. "Oh yes, life (does) go on, long after the THRILL of living is gone" John said it so well. I'll guess those record execs were mad because they knew that he was right, and they had lost the thrill.
Life does go on and soon age and declining health kill the thrill. I have first hand experience. ;-)
They were probably grumpy that day maybe? 😂
I'll always remember Weird Al covering this tune in "The Simpsons", which was how I learned of the original tune.
Yep. I remember that.
There’s nothing he doesn’t parody.
John Mellencamp is another artist whose music I heard in my youth whose name I didn't learn until after the 80s. My jam was "Small Town", because I knew at age four that Washingtonville, NY where I grew up was the epitome of what Mellencamp sang about. And because Neil Diamond was my first pop music hero, I would never for a microsecond have confused him with Mellencamp.
Regarding "Jack and Diane", song which didn't really come my way until I had become a teenager, I can tell you that I have known 60-somethings that have fallen in love but have yet to grow up. Call it what you like, but what I see is a person or persons trying to pretend they haven't become an adult or gotten older. For my part, the part of 16 that I have always attempted to hang onto, even though I am 43 as I receive my comment, is the aspiration I had at that age to become noted as a musician myself.
The song that makes me wish I was around back then is Pink Houses. Ain’t That America, er, what USED to be America.
I was at the Grammy Awards when he sang on tv 📺 for the first time. Before his album American Fool !
How Grammy award shows have you been to?
What year?
I love so many of his songs. This song hit the airwaves when I was about to turn 16 and it helped me to go into it with an increased sense of self-awareness. If he ever did a small to medium sized venue near me, he's one of the few artists I would go see.
I’m from Indiana and went to college there in the mid 70s. We used to see John Cougar all the time. He would often perform at the area colleges and small venues. This must have been before he signed with a label. I lost track of him and was really surprised to discover him again as John Mellencamp. I saw him again in a large venue. His energy was off the charts. Honestly, one of my best ever concerts.
I remember when I was 16 in 1990-1991 and I was hearing that line “hold onto 16 as long as you can”, I was like yeah, I’ll hold onto it for 12 months until I turn 17. 😂
Ha!
That’s me right now!
John has written so many great songs. It's pretty much the story of his life that we can all relate to. So happy to own all of his collection. Oh yeah, I'm from Indiana as well. :)
All hail Indiana.
I was always shocked when I found out Mick Ronson was on this album, and even more shocked to hear how much he helped finalize Jack & Diane. It actually makes sense when you realize how pivotal Ronson was in blending acoustics and electrics on those early Bowie records.
Mellencamp has since in interviews spoken about how he would just get baked and listen to Bowie or Roxy Music. I never pictured it, but I get it.
Two of my favorite John Mellencamp songs will always be "Ain't Even Done With the Night" and "This Time." Still love them today!!
I had to look up "This Time ". I thought for sure you were thinking of the Bryan Adams song!
I thought the same thing lol.
I took John's words to heart when I heard "long after the trill is gone" and still try to live like I'm in my youth (when possible) John is a true mid American icon hero! Great episode professor I'm glad he didn't back down. I have seen John several times before his heart attack he never failed to put on a great show. Forget all about that macho stuff and learn how to play guitar!
He's an interesting guy. Wrote a pack of standards!
@Anna Trail, me, too. I’ve maintained the thrill of living. I try to be excited about something every day, just like when I was a kid. I’m close to 60 years old, but I still find things that amaze and excite me.
I’m 17, but really 57 in my heart, because I love all this vintage, classic music from your youth. Life goes on for all of us.
Sir You ARE the New Mtv .... :) great work.
Thanks Gavin!
Thank you for this story, Professor. I hadn't heard it, and as a frustrated artist myself, it gives me hope that all the struggles will be worth it.
Even as a teenage heavy metal fan, the theme of this song spoke to me. Time is rolling up on 57 years old, but I hold on to sixteen. Folks ask why I pick that age and reference this song, not giving up the thrill of living.
Sweet 16…
This was on the radio when I was 8. I remembered hearing it again staying over at my then girlfriends house when I was 17. I loved it all over again but couldn’t remember who did it. Since then, this song reminds me of that time in life. The simplicity, my idiotic behavior, opportunities squandered, and lessons learned. A simpler time when the world was a more peaceful place. I always remember thinking back then that my time (80’s and 90’s) was so much more chaotic and it would have been better to be a teen in the 60’s. Oddly, my son reminisces about the 90’s like he lived through it even though he was born in 2008. I looked at my 14 year old son when he said that and told him, “You’re living the good old days right now. Try not to miss it.” What I learned too late was that the good old days are the days of your youth. Always enjoy the moment for what it is and not the ideal fantasy of a previous generation. Regardless of when you were born, this is your moment at this stage of life. Being a teen, your first child, retirement, everything has a season. Make it count.
I am excited to be seeing John Mellencamp on March 15th in Seattle.
I ❤ Jack and Diane. I have this on a refrigerator magnet. It's a picture of John on his motor cycle, and it says, " Serve this man a chili dog ... from the Tasty Freeze Management. 😁
"Little ditty about Jack and Diane.
Two American kids doing the best they can. "
So cool! Tell me how it is!
@@ProfessorofRock I certainly will.😊
@Anna Trail I am going by myself. I will be seeing Duran Duran in May with my sister and neighbor.
Going to physical therapy for my ankle next week. I am off crutches and doing a little better.
@Anna Trail I hope you can go. A concert can be a good experience. It's also money well spent. I no longer sit in the front row.
I have a seat in the upper mezzanine for $65.
I've seen Mellencamp twice. The first time was at Battelle Hall, Columbus, OH. 12/13/85. Scarecrow Tour. The second was at Battelle Hall, Columbus, OH. 12/4/87. Lonesome Jubilee Tour.
Saw John Cougar warm up for The Kinks when “I need a lover” had just come out. Out of over 200 concerts from 1978 till now, it’s the number one warm up performance I’ve ever seen.
He was 1970’s Springsteen good for 30-40 minutes.
American songwriting icon. American Fool is a classic that warmed my alternative/Goth/Prince-loving heart. When I hear Jack and Diane in a shopping centre or wherever I stop to hear it again even though I already own it 😂. The painful nostalgia is beautiful. Hold on to 16 as long as you can.
I feel the same way sis.
I love how this song is a look back into an innocent and nostalgic time in life. Later in life, he wrote the song Eden is burning in which he once again looks back in time. This time it was Diane and Jack. Eden is burning is a look back on the dreams of our early adulthood when we were full of dreams for the future. He has never changed his style and yet still remains relevant.
My pick for an opening that grabs you is his song Small Paradice. The notes on the piano have a melancholy feel.
Mike
John Cougar Mellencamp was an album and concert monster!! My big 5 were him, Bob Seger, Bryan Adams, Bruce Springsteen, and Huey Lewis.
Great choices. Love them all.
All great guys.
Love John Mellencamp. But in our family there is another song we sing. My Mom wanted to give our house charm. She picked the paint and My Dad and some of my siblings painted it ... Mauve and Baby Blue. After she passed away my Dad wanted to freshen the paint job. He tried to match the colors ... and you guessed it ... we ended up with a pink house!!! I sang "Little Pink Houses for you and me!" for years! My Dad has since passed and we had to sell our old house. My old neighbor had to send me a picture ... the new owners had painted it ... the end of an era. (Boring dark color now!) I guess I have my memories and a few pictures.
Dedicating that house to Johnny! Ha ha.
Jack & Diane came out when I was stationed in West Germany. Not only us GI's but the Germans loved it too and was played quite a bit at the clubs we went to.
Ver cool! Thanks for sharing.
You know you’re a legend when even the Germans relate to your song…😊
I feel that this song inspired Jon Bon Jovi to write about 'Tommy & Gina' in Livin' on a Prayer.
I think you're exactly right.
That would not surprise me.
Ooh!
Was a teen when this came out. You listen to the words, sing it and get nostalgic but once you got older the nostalgia slapped you in the face.....kinda like Summer of 69 Bryan Adams and Glory Days Bruce Springsteen. This album was a bomb of greatness. This song and Pink Houses are my faves from JM
Growing up in Indiana when these songs came out, they were/are basically the soundtrack to my pre-teen years. I still remember my dad playing this and scarecrow all the time, John being from around here made it even cooler and everyone I knew loved these songs and albums.
Gary, Indiana is also where the one and only Michael Jackson was born.
John Mellencamp is one of my favorite music stars of the 80's. I was aware of his music when I heard his first top 40 hits "I Need A Lover" and "Ain't Even Done With The Night (my favorite song of his). In 1982, I was 17 years old and a junior in high school. On my spare time, I was following the music charts and watching MTV. I remember when American Fool album was released. It was such a blockbuster success. It had the one-two punch with #1 "Jack and Diane" and #2 "Hurts So Good". I enjoyed both songs and bought the entire album. 1982 really was his breakout year where he became a major music superstar. He was such a force in the 1980's and he was the best at writing and singing heartland rock.
I have a couple of pictures autographed by Diane. Her real name is Victoria they were married during the video and 1st couple of albums. She's a lovely woman and
You know everybody!
@@ProfessorofRock Believe me there's plenty that I wish I didn't. And a couple of handfuls of that I wish I took the time to get know better when the opportunity arouse. Like when I went to Robert Palmers house. We visited Dave and Tina Weymouth Tom Tom Club!
Wow. Tell her she got style back then!
I was born in 73, so I was just reaching the age when I could control the dial (where previously it was controlled by my sister, four years my senior).
For me, a Mellencamp song was never a “skip”-as we would come to say in the days of CDs-nor a “flip”- as we said in the days of airplay.
Anthems of the rink, beltable favorites of the shower, stories endemic to our bittersweet coming-of-age-these songs are still favorites…
though I don’t think I could’ve said it so eloquently as you (regarding Jack and Diane):
“This song-It’s for you. It’s for you, it’s for me, it’s… it’s for everyone who’s ever lived a carefree youth… anybody who’s ever fallen in love and then had to grow up… afterwards.”
That last phrase, Brother… that hit hard.
Thank you for your channel 😌🙏
Most great songs can make you remember. The place in time you heard it, loved it. This is one of those rare songs. That can do just that. Plus, take you back to the age of innocents. Saving some of the greatest moments of your life in a song.
SO true! Love it.
When everyone was more sane and life was actually enjoyable.
I remember Mellencamp being savaged by critics as a poor man's Springsteen, but he had a more natural ability to put forth the Americana ethos than Bruce, who by 1984 looked like he was going Hollywood.
I thought American Fool was average but his follow-up albums were better and proved he was in it for the long haul.
This is one of my favorite songs. What a cool story.
He proved 'em wrong.
In 1986 I was at THE Budokan to see J.M.’s only live appearance in Tokyo to date so far, and eventually found myself singing along “Oh yeah life goes on…”. That was the biggest sing-along experience in concert in my lifetime, I must say. Even bigger than “You Can’t Always Get What You Want’, “Hey Jude” and “Baba O’Riley” all of which I later experienced with original singers. Thanks so much Professor…”Zeppelin at Budokan” T-shirt looks so cool!
Adam, thanks for filling in the the blanks and adding in all of this cool history!! 👍👍 I was in high school when this was all happening and we were always wondering why John was changing his name so much!? And fantastic thatJohn stood up for what he believed in, against the know-it-all record executives!,Also remembering these first videos during the infancy of MTV. I remember them coming across as John being a tough biker. I think the videos took him to a huge level, that radio wouldn't have! Also, there was no mention here of his big heart attack ordeal? I guess that came much later....And I had mixed feelings about Jack and Diane but I'd like the video and now I appreciate the song More, now that I'm older. Although, didn't care for the sucking on,,! chili dog!,,, thought he should have said ,chewing on! 😅 🎶✨🎸🐦
I wonder if his favorite animal was a cougar? 🐯
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 could be Lilly 👍😅 but I thought Adam said, that the record label had picked that name for Johnny?
@@jayheinz4624 Sounds about right to me. Still, that name is totally random. Why “Cougar”?
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 yeah interesting,? And I've never heard why? 🎶 I might have to do a little digging and see if I can find out.
@@jayheinz4624 Same. Changing his name three times, man. Must have been something under the water.
Thanks for a great discussion P.O.R! Jack and Diane became a summer anthem for my early teens one summer in nowhere Pennsylvania in a small town of 1500 that was thirty minutes from anywhere. Once a year at Labor Day, our family fast-pitch softball stadium held an annual two weekend tournament and the town came alive with hundreds of “foreigners” and it felt like one long party to end the summer. It wasn’t the mid-west but it was our town and this song above all others seemed to weave itself into the fabric of those amazing memories before those late teens and beyond set in just like the song said. No Dairy Queen but we had Campbell’s ice cream and all us young fellas had our eyes looking out for our Diane. He gave our little diddy and I am grateful for that. Thanks for that walk down memory lane!
The song’s drum solo is a story in itself. In the words of Kenny Aronoff:
After I programmed the drum parts on the Linn 1, I went into the lounge to play pool. Eventually John called for me and said, “We want a drum solo after the second chorus.” My immediate thought was, “Are you serious, a drum solo on a ballad? How the hell will I do that?”
The problem with this is in your comment itself, “After I programmed the drum parts”
@@timz9862 These are Kenny’s words, not mine.
Yes, I know. What I'm saying is that drummers shouldn't be programming their drumming. They should be playing it on... drums.
👍 Damn straight
@@timz9862 especially Kenny Aronoff! That was normal then, but it seems like a crazy thought today, to ask one of the most legendary session drummers of all time, to program electronic drums on your track.
My first husband and I went to Tennessee and bought an old 1970’s Plymouth to restore. It ran fairly decent but we had a 500+ mile trip back home. The ole gal didn’t have a radio and we were both music lovers, and John Mellencamp was our favorite artist. That trip took a little over 8hours. We sang every John Mellencamp song we knew, which was all of them, bc we had all his records. That is one of the best memories of my life.
Immediately like John when he (really) hit the scene circa 1981/2. Saw him perform on late night television and dug his quirky moves and raspy voice. Plus he was cute to boot. ✌
He's an American standard.
@@ProfessorofRock Absolutely agree Professor! Nothing Really Matters and What if it Did was my 1st John "Cougar" album. Got me through some tough times. It's still my favorite of his although all his work is top notch. Thanks for your work Professor! You're one of the best youtuber's around. ✌
John is the DUDE.
I was there. This album was huge. Of course, Disco had just died and John was part of the rock-influx that we kids were told we should now be listening to. His first hit was firmly in the camp of what was known then as Dance Rock - after all, people still were flocking to the clubs and needed something to come over the sound system. He was seen as a poor man's Bruce Springsteen, who was also hitting big with his The RIver and Born In The USA albums.
I just saw him perform live in Clearwater. He still puts on a great show.
I saw a video of him performing live last year.
I saw John Mellencamp on The Lonesome Jubilee tour. He did need to introduce Jack and Diane. The guitarist just played the opening riff from it and the crowd ERUPTED! 🎸
Even before “hurts so good” he had some pretty awesome songs like “I need a lover”. Did you know at the time it was the single with the longest intro before it goes into vocals? I think it was even longer than Papa was a Rolling Stone by The Temptations
Michael, you're a very knowledgable person!
I like I need a lover, but it’s the Pat Benatar’s version that I play, she doesn’t have that two minute intro. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great intro, but you can only listen to it 95 times before it gets old.
Agreed, My favorite Mellencamp song that still gets a lot of airplay.
I know that song!
This song was a HUGE hit in our small town, especially for Jr. High & High School (Class of ‘87). We had a kinship with this song because we ACTUALLY HAD a Tastee🍦Freez where we’d hang out. This song would be chosen on the Juke Box, EVERY customer & ALL the employees would sing it as LOUD as possible!
They also had some mighty good food!
Sadly, that location closed. Now they’re only a few left. None in my area.
Very fond memories though. ☺️