Test drove rail 7 and middle range fuel ex. The fuel exe had way more assistance than I thought. Feels like a normal bike in essence handling-wise. Rail 7 is still really nimble back to back, it's a lot heavier to pick up but in motion you quickly accommodate. Braking is different as fuel had Shimano so stopped suddenly but rail had SRAM which was wayyy more progressive. In the end deposit down for the rail 7. For same price I'm getting better components, forks and shock better, 625wh battery, more power. I'm not a technical rider, I don't jump or do big drops. I want stability and the luxury of range should I want. I was tempted by the fuel though, if it had 400+ wh out the box without buying a range extender I'd be tempted. I think the rail is just going to be a riot and at 73kg without back pack and relatively fit I think the bike will be a good fit. I mean If I was 77kg it would negate weight savings of the fuel althought I realise there is something for the bike itself being lighter, I see very advanced rider footage of people throwing the fuel around, I'll never grow to that level the fear centre of my brain doesn't allow it! Will bungy jump for days though..
Just test rode both of these and everything you said is right on. You touched on it but a major reason to go with the EXe is its non ebike appearance. The Rail is massive looking and a bit embarrassing when onlookers on the trails judge. It makes me want to go with the EXe and get more in shape. Only thing, I'm going to struggle to keep up with buddies on their full ebikes.
For sure! That’s the only problem. How do you ride with full powered ebike friends or regular bike friends. You’re kind of in an awkward middle ground with the EXe 🤷🏼♂️
I have a Trek Rail 9.7. Really great bike. I can't understand why anyone would want an emtb with a weaker motor. It's kind of like...you know, this is WAY too much fun. I want to have a bike with a weaker motor, so I can work harder, go slower but golly...I'll have a more "acoustic" feel. Makes no sense.
I agree with you that the Rail is so much fun. In fact, I didn’t realize how much fun it was flying up the hills until I rode one. However, the rail was a bit too heavy when hitting jumps on the way back down hill. I’m the guy that’s always looking for the jumps, gaps, drops and hidden features on the trail. So for me the fuel EXe fit my riding style better. But the Rail is definitely a blast as well 👍🏻
@@JaredHoff I own a Rail 9 GX. Its awesome, totally. But 90% of the time my rides consist of 8-9 miles up the hill. Then down the hill.... I don't need a big battery that will take me 30 miles. For me the Exe will become my 'everyday ' ride. The Rail will be my long trail ride 🤟
Its because the Rail e-bike with its huge down tube, large motor that sticks out like sore thumb, its noisy motor with gears and belts that bang around when going down hill is NOT stealth!!! Would be way easier to sneak the Fuel EXe into a Park that doesn't allow e-bike's!
@@JaredHofflove my 9.7 Fuel Exe. I test Road a Rail because my local dealer didn’t have any Exe’s. I was like, “nah, I’ll wait for the Exe”. Simply put, I was really into MTB in the early 90’s. Loved it. Then career became a focus for awhile, and now I wanted to get back into MTB. But had no interest in a large, powerful MTB. I wanted a “normal” acoustic bike. But once the Exe came out it is such a great design and really melds the two classes together. It rides and feels like a regular bike, but with just a little bit of assistance when needed. Most of my rides are in Eco mode, and rarely do I get into mid, or boost mode. I want a workout when I ride. If I want power, I jump on my KTM 500exc. Maybe the same reason I have never ridden a sit-down jet ski…have only ridden standups. But I am 52, so I do enjoy the little bit of power the Exe provides.
Good comparison. The Rail would be to big of a bike for my type of riding. I'd go with the Exe since I ride for distance with climbs. Plus, it's nice to be able to pedal home if I run out of battery.
I appreciate the astute comparison.💸 I luv my Rail...I used to have the Slash analog but sold it to pay for the former...for 8-10 lbs lighter, it's worth looking at the mid-power classes. I can live with a little less torque. The Fuel Ex-e is nice, EXCEPT for the 140/150 travel...not enough for enduro-style trail riding for many, if not most. Sure, when you're a pro/elite skill-level shredder you could ride a $200 Walmart beach cruiser with your grandma's handle-bar mounted grocery basket better than 95% of E-mtbers...(it's a compliment). So to top-dogs, a little less travel is inconsequential, but I'm an unskilled huckster and NEED the bike's technology to help overcome inferior skill....so give me the extra plush!😉 But to be proactive, I'm starting the rumor here: next year make the Stash--E iteration for 160/170 travel, and beef up the torque to a 60 Nm TQ motor...and boom!!! The Goldieloch's zone.🤟 BRING ON THE SLASH-E or the "Rail light" either moniker works🔥🔥🔥. This is from a Trek Loyalist. See Transition Relay for a template.✌️
This to the light Rail potential. My Rail 9.7 is bastardized with 170 Zeb (Luftkappe air piston), slightly over stroked coil shock for 157 rear travel, heavy duty DH carbon wheels, TRP DH-Evo hard stopper brakes, DH 2-ply tread with Cushcore. Bike is hard hitter trail smasher, but a bit short on battery life even in Tour most the time with some ECO with 625 battery. Have to pack 2nd battery for any substantial trail rides above 20 miles and over 3,000ft climbing. Bike weighs at 53 lbs despite carbon frame. Lighter Rail with TCU 65-75nM sounds the ticket with at least 750 battery sounds the ticket. I am eyeing the Relay in 23’ myself.
I just had a chance test Fuel exe and its a nice bike however for me its a bit lagging in power but love the light weight. I have the Rail 7 and its an awesome bike. I would have purchased the new Fuel had trek made two versions. If they would have offered a 450 to 500 battery and a motor 75nm motor would have for me hit it out of the park. Hopefully trek will come out with this in the future.
I just rode the Rail 9.8 XT again yesterday for a bike review. So much fun! I think there will be a Ebike like you mentioned about very soon. But I was surprised how much I liked the rail even at 53.5 lbs 😬
My thoughts exactly. I to have the rail 7 and seriously considering the fuel 9.7. I need to test ride one I guess or like you said, hang on to see if a 500 watt version will come out. Great review.
Another great video Jared. Very helpful. Fuel EXe 9.7 for me. Haven’t ordered yet but trying to demo one before I buy. I travel all over the US so hopefully find a shop with one soon.
Great review! I’ve spent considerable time on both bikes and the Rail 9.8XT really rocked, but own the 9.8XT EXe for its more natural MTB experience. That said, had I not already owned a Powerfly FS7, I’d own both. I also have experience on the E-Caliber 9.8GX and that by comparison to the EXe is more agile and responsive to inputs, and better for the trails I ride most of the time but the 60 mm rear travel is a bit light and translates much more harshness and vibration over the rough stuff.
Thanks for taking time to comment! I’ve been lucky enough to demo these bikes but still don’t own one. I think one day they’ll make an e-bike that has full power (like the Rail) and lighter weight (like the EXe).
@@JaredHoff im not an expert by any means just an old weekend warrior, but since I started riding the Rail im riding stuff that I thought i would never ride, that bike is a monster truck! Love it
I’d love to see a bike with the best of both worlds. A full powered ebike with maybe the Bosch CX Race, with a focus on lowering weight and the smaller 400wh battery.
Fuel exe is truly next gen. However im enduro guy so i probably buy ebike if they release something similar to fuel exe but with trek slash. Like small motor trek slash. That would be an insane bike. Also the price is sadly just ridiculous
Prices are totally ridiculous! I’ve made a switch to my UA-cam channel. Trying to focus on more budget friendly bikes. Wish me luck LOL not easy these days 🤦🏼♂️
@@JaredHoff for sure! Hard work should be recognized. My buddy and I are dads getting back in the sport and your vids are super helpful! Keep up the good work 👍
I’ll don’t own an e-bike myself. I was lucky enough to have a good friend and local bike shop let me demo these bikes. Hopefully I’ll be able to do that again in the future
I’ve heard that they aren’t going to release a 2023, but that’s just from a guy who works at the bike shop. I thought for sure they’d release a new color this year 🤷🏼♂️
Love my Slash as well and would have to sell my Slash to afford one of these. Definitely not doing that 😂 thanks for taking time to comment. These ebikes are definitely getting interesting 🧐
@@JaredHoff For sure and it's cool you are getting to test them. I'm 61 years old and am amazed at the capability of the Slash. It has way more capability than I will ever need. It's a lightweight human powered version of my Beta 498 enduro!! LOL
Been in the market and back and forth on these in 9.8 levels... Owned both Fuel 9s and Remedy 9s and of the two its the Remedy in the garage today. The Rail is the choice for now, but dang, not a fan of the 50+ lbs.
EXe is so much fun, and the lower weight makes it feel like a regular MTB. But you definitely get more range and power with the Rail. It’s a hard choice! Totally different ride styles
@@JaredHoff Absolutely! I love the EXE and its goal of "minimal emtb".... But based on my history of preferring Remedy over Fuel, I'm sure the Rail is the better choice for me. Thanks for the vid! Great work! 👍👍
Thes bikes are amazing at climbing and great for descending. The Rail has more suspension travel, and I was surprised that the heavy weight actually feels good sometimes when descending. BUT the EXe is definitely more fun to ride.
With 14 k for a bike , it must be a joke ......expect to crush down to 5 to 6 k in the coming of 5 years . It is not so high tech and high finance capacity to for manufacturer to build one.......the trend will finally end ....
No issues with assembly for me ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".
Test drove rail 7 and middle range fuel ex. The fuel exe had way more assistance than I thought. Feels like a normal bike in essence handling-wise. Rail 7 is still really nimble back to back, it's a lot heavier to pick up but in motion you quickly accommodate. Braking is different as fuel had Shimano so stopped suddenly but rail had SRAM which was wayyy more progressive. In the end deposit down for the rail 7. For same price I'm getting better components, forks and shock better, 625wh battery, more power. I'm not a technical rider, I don't jump or do big drops. I want stability and the luxury of range should I want. I was tempted by the fuel though, if it had 400+ wh out the box without buying a range extender I'd be tempted. I think the rail is just going to be a riot and at 73kg without back pack and relatively fit I think the bike will be a good fit. I mean If I was 77kg it would negate weight savings of the fuel althought I realise there is something for the bike itself being lighter, I see very advanced rider footage of people throwing the fuel around, I'll never grow to that level the fear centre of my brain doesn't allow it! Will bungy jump for days though..
For sure! Thank you for that awesome comment. I just got the new Fuel EX because I loved the EXe so much
@@JaredHoff sorry I did mean the electric fuel if that's the Exe
Great comparison mate. 3 rides in on the EXe and after a few tweeks I love it!!
So glad I didn't go the beefier Rail. This bike rips.
Awesome! I’m definitely more of an EXe rider than Rail.
Just test rode both of these and everything you said is right on. You touched on it but a major reason to go with the EXe is its non ebike appearance. The Rail is massive looking and a bit embarrassing when onlookers on the trails judge. It makes me want to go with the EXe and get more in shape. Only thing, I'm going to struggle to keep up with buddies on their full ebikes.
For sure! That’s the only problem. How do you ride with full powered ebike friends or regular bike friends. You’re kind of in an awkward middle ground with the EXe 🤷🏼♂️
who cares what people think lol. The sl turbo is like trail on a full emtb. So if you ride in trail mode.. eco on the full. Which is plenty.
Why would you care about other peoples opinion when u are thrashing on the trails?
So you're letting "embarrassment" dictate your decision?
That's just being weak man
No one’s gonna mention how ridiculous prices on these bikes nowadays?
I have a Trek Rail 9.7. Really great bike. I can't understand why anyone would want an emtb with a weaker motor. It's kind of like...you know, this is WAY too much fun. I want to have a bike with a weaker motor, so I can work harder, go slower but golly...I'll have a more "acoustic" feel. Makes no sense.
I agree with you that the Rail is so much fun. In fact, I didn’t realize how much fun it was flying up the hills until I rode one.
However, the rail was a bit too heavy when hitting jumps on the way back down hill. I’m the guy that’s always looking for the jumps, gaps, drops and hidden features on the trail. So for me the fuel EXe fit my riding style better. But the Rail is definitely a blast as well 👍🏻
@@JaredHoff I own a Rail 9 GX. Its awesome, totally. But 90% of the time my rides consist of 8-9 miles up the hill. Then down the hill.... I don't need a big battery that will take me 30 miles. For me the Exe will become my 'everyday ' ride. The Rail will be my long trail ride 🤟
Its because the Rail e-bike with its huge down tube, large motor that sticks out like sore thumb, its noisy motor with gears and belts that bang around when going down hill is NOT stealth!!! Would be way easier to sneak the Fuel EXe into a Park that doesn't allow e-bike's!
@@michaelgreen5206 who cares about "stealth"?
Screw that
@@JaredHofflove my 9.7 Fuel Exe. I test Road a Rail because my local dealer didn’t have any Exe’s. I was like, “nah, I’ll wait for the Exe”. Simply put, I was really into MTB in the early 90’s. Loved it. Then career became a focus for awhile, and now I wanted to get back into MTB. But had no interest in a large, powerful MTB. I wanted a “normal” acoustic bike. But once the Exe came out it is such a great design and really melds the two classes together. It rides and feels like a regular bike, but with just a little bit of assistance when needed. Most of my rides are in Eco mode, and rarely do I get into mid, or boost mode. I want a workout when I ride. If I want power, I jump on my KTM 500exc. Maybe the same reason I have never ridden a sit-down jet ski…have only ridden standups. But I am 52, so I do enjoy the little bit of power the Exe provides.
Rail all day! Full power! Haha great video man
Thank you bro! We need to get the Fuel EXe and Rail out for some back-to-back laps 🤔
I’m so down for this! Let’s do it!
Good comparison. The Rail would be to big of a bike for my type of riding. I'd go with the Exe since I ride for distance with climbs. Plus, it's nice to be able to pedal home if I run out of battery.
For sure! Thanks for the comment 👍🏻
The rail has to be tried to be understood
I thought the same but it doesn't even feel heavy when you ride it
I appreciate the astute comparison.💸 I luv my Rail...I used to have the Slash analog but sold it to pay for the former...for 8-10 lbs lighter, it's worth looking at the mid-power classes. I can live with a little less torque. The Fuel Ex-e is nice, EXCEPT for the 140/150 travel...not enough for enduro-style trail riding for many, if not most. Sure, when you're a pro/elite skill-level shredder you could ride a $200 Walmart beach cruiser with your grandma's handle-bar mounted grocery basket better than 95% of E-mtbers...(it's a compliment). So to top-dogs, a little less travel is inconsequential, but I'm an unskilled huckster and NEED the bike's technology to help overcome inferior skill....so give me the extra plush!😉 But to be proactive, I'm starting the rumor here: next year make the Stash--E iteration for 160/170 travel, and beef up the torque to a 60 Nm TQ motor...and boom!!! The Goldieloch's zone.🤟 BRING ON THE SLASH-E or the "Rail light" either moniker works🔥🔥🔥. This is from a Trek Loyalist. See Transition Relay for a template.✌️
Word! Thank you for the awesome comment 👍🏻
Take my money. 💰
Sounds good to me
@@leelipinski4667 lol 👍🏻
This to the light Rail potential. My Rail 9.7 is bastardized with 170 Zeb (Luftkappe air piston), slightly over stroked coil shock for 157 rear travel, heavy duty DH carbon wheels, TRP DH-Evo hard stopper brakes, DH 2-ply tread with Cushcore. Bike is hard hitter trail smasher, but a bit short on battery life even in Tour most the time with some ECO with 625 battery. Have to pack 2nd battery for any substantial trail rides above 20 miles and over 3,000ft climbing. Bike weighs at 53 lbs despite carbon frame. Lighter Rail with TCU 65-75nM sounds the ticket with at least 750 battery sounds the ticket. I am eyeing the Relay in 23’ myself.
I just had a chance test Fuel exe and its a nice bike however for me its a bit lagging in power but love the light weight. I have the Rail 7 and its an awesome bike. I would have purchased the new Fuel had trek made two versions. If they would have offered a 450 to 500 battery and a motor 75nm motor would have for me hit it out of the park. Hopefully trek will come out with this in the future.
I just rode the Rail 9.8 XT again yesterday for a bike review. So much fun! I think there will be a Ebike like you mentioned about very soon. But I was surprised how much I liked the rail even at 53.5 lbs 😬
My thoughts exactly. I to have the rail 7 and seriously considering the fuel 9.7.
I need to test ride one I guess or like you said, hang on to see if a 500 watt version will come out.
Great review.
@@leelipinski4667 word! 👍🏻
Great video mate. The conclusion was perfect 🤟. I have a Rail 9, and will now buy the Exe for the DH trails/shorter trails 👍👍👍
Heck yeah! Stoked for you, and wish I could own them both.
Exe is my dream bike. I want a mtb with some assistance for the uphills. I don't want to smash uphills.
Smashing uphill is the best part
Great review! Thanks for posting.
Thank you for leaving the feedback 👍 much appreciated
Nice comparison. Thank you for making this well put together video..🔥🔥
Thank you for the awesome comment 👍🏻
Another great video Jared. Very helpful. Fuel EXe 9.7 for me. Haven’t ordered yet but trying to demo one before I buy. I travel all over the US so hopefully find a shop with one soon.
Hope you find one to demo. I know they have one at Zach’s Bikes in Klamath Falls, so I’m sure they have that at other Trek bike shops.
@@JaredHoff I’m in LA next week and it looks like a few shops have bikes. Fingers crossed.
@@madeyemoodey9633 heck yeah 👍🏻 A lot of times if you are interested in buying a bike, they will let you test ride it for free.
Great review! I’ve spent considerable time on both bikes and the Rail 9.8XT really rocked, but own the 9.8XT EXe for its more natural MTB experience. That said, had I not already owned a Powerfly FS7, I’d own both. I also have experience on the E-Caliber 9.8GX and that by comparison to the EXe is more agile and responsive to inputs, and better for the trails I ride most of the time but the 60 mm rear travel is a bit light and translates much more harshness and vibration over the rough stuff.
Thanks for taking time to comment! I’ve been lucky enough to demo these bikes but still don’t own one. I think one day they’ll make an e-bike that has full power (like the Rail) and lighter weight (like the EXe).
Excellent video - very helpful!! Thanks!
Thank you for the feedback! Much appreciated 👍🏻
Great video, thank you. Been in market for a couple months and I’m a total geenhorn to e bikes
I still haven’t bought one because they are so expensive, but was lucky enough to test these bikes and they are a lot of fun.
I pushed my Rail to 170mm front and 156.5 in the rear.
My 9.7 is a beast but im really excited about the fuel exe i hope i can test that one sometime
Rail with a 170mm 👍🏻 amazing
170mm fork on the Rail 🤘🏻
@@JaredHoff im not an expert by any means just an old weekend warrior, but since I started riding the Rail im riding stuff that I thought i would never ride, that bike is a monster truck! Love it
@@danielpatino81 heck yeah! Stoked for you! That’s what it’s all about.
@@danielpatino81 like a range rover bike!
I’d love to see a bike with the best of both worlds. A full powered ebike with maybe the Bosch CX Race, with a focus on lowering weight and the smaller 400wh battery.
Definitely 👍 I think we will see that one day.
Nice review. TQ-H-P-R (harmonic pin ring) motor btw.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Fuel exe is truly next gen. However im enduro guy so i probably buy ebike if they release something similar to fuel exe but with trek slash. Like small motor trek slash. That would be an insane bike. Also the price is sadly just ridiculous
Prices are totally ridiculous! I’ve made a switch to my UA-cam channel. Trying to focus on more budget friendly bikes. Wish me luck LOL not easy these days 🤦🏼♂️
These prices are insane. This is in stark motorcycle territory price wise. They are ripping everyone off
Definitely not expensive
@@JaredHoff please explain
Nice job bro.
@@joep5146 thanks 🙏🏻
Great video awesome job
Thanks 👍 that’s means a lot.
@@JaredHoff for sure! Hard work should be recognized. My buddy and I are dads getting back in the sport and your vids are super helpful! Keep up the good work 👍
hands down on Fuel EXe for me. I wish there will be a new Fuel EXe model with 85nm motor lol
Totally. The only thing the EXe is missing is that 85nm
Interesting about the lower Rails being different geometry. I tried Rail 5 large it felt massive. I need to try Rail 9 large.
Rail 9.8 XT was amazing! Turbo mode test was so much fun.
Great video.
Thank you 👍🏻
Well done partner!
Thank you 🤘🏻
Trek also has E-Caliber so they have three (3) :)
True! Thanks for keeping me honest.
Are you going to do an updated version of this comparison using a Gen 4 Rail?
I’ll don’t own an e-bike myself. I was lucky enough to have a good friend and local bike shop let me demo these bikes. Hopefully I’ll be able to do that again in the future
I have a EXE on order. Hopefully it will ship before I die...
Stoked for you! Hopefully you get that bike soon 👍🏻
which did you go for? Top shelf is $14,000., I can buy a car and do jumps with the car with that price lol
@@michaelb9940 LOL definitely expensive for that top model.
@@michaelb9940 9.7
@@JaredHoff between Trek EXe AND Orbea Rise M10? Looks like Orbea is still winning? What’s your thoughts? Thank you
The Fuel EXe has an HPR motor, not a HRP as you stated.
On the website it’s states TQ-HPR50 eBike Motor. HRP stands for Harmonic Pin Ring
@@JaredHoff You mean HPR. You keep saying HRP. You’re reversing the R & P. Lol
Hey Jared random question. But when do you think trek will release there 2023 slash model linup?
I’ve heard that they aren’t going to release a 2023, but that’s just from a guy who works at the bike shop. I thought for sure they’d release a new color this year 🤷🏼♂️
@@JaredHoff yeah ok thankyou
Thanks Jared, nice bike. However I love my Slash!! No regrets having to pedal under my own power.
Love my Slash as well and would have to sell my Slash to afford one of these. Definitely not doing that 😂 thanks for taking time to comment. These ebikes are definitely getting interesting 🧐
@@JaredHoff For sure and it's cool you are getting to test them. I'm 61 years old and am amazed at the capability of the Slash. It has way more capability than I will ever need. It's a lightweight human powered version of my Beta 498 enduro!! LOL
@@olliechristopher467 word! 👍🏻
Been in the market and back and forth on these in 9.8 levels... Owned both Fuel 9s and Remedy 9s and of the two its the Remedy in the garage today. The Rail is the choice for now, but dang, not a fan of the 50+ lbs.
EXe is so much fun, and the lower weight makes it feel like a regular MTB. But you definitely get more range and power with the Rail. It’s a hard choice! Totally different ride styles
@@JaredHoff Absolutely! I love the EXE and its goal of "minimal emtb".... But based on my history of preferring Remedy over Fuel, I'm sure the Rail is the better choice for me.
Thanks for the vid! Great work!
👍👍
You forgot the Pro Caliber e-bike.
The e-caliber 👍🏻
At what point would one just get a dirt bike?
I hear ya, but some of these mountain bike trails are a lot more fun than dirt bike trail in my humble opinion LOL
hi what range does the Trek Fuel EXe 9.5 have?
About 2-5 hours depending on how you ride it.
Ok. How is 50nm riding on to mountain? Did you test it?
Yah cycle kitne Ki
It never ocurred to me these bike would be good for downhill bikes since those bikes are really bad at climbing.
Thes bikes are amazing at climbing and great for descending. The Rail has more suspension travel, and I was surprised that the heavy weight actually feels good sometimes when descending. BUT the EXe is definitely more fun to ride.
I would take the lighter bike every time
With 14 k for a bike , it must be a joke ......expect to crush down to 5 to 6 k in the coming of 5 years . It is not so high tech and high finance capacity to for manufacturer to build one.......the trend will finally end ....
I truly hope the prices come down some day.
Good luck with that, you'll probably cease to exist before that happens
No issues with assembly for me ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".
I’ve never traveled with a bike, but I know those who have and they say to buy the best bike bag you can find. But I’ve never owned one