Marvel Plot Holes EXPLAINED | Why Did Thanos Give Away an Infinity Stone?
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- We all love the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but...there are quite a few unexplained questions in the MCU. Why didn't Tony discover how his parents were murdered when HYDRA's files were leaked? Why did Thanos give away an infinity stone? How did Janet Pym survive in the Quantum Realm without eating?
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In Captain America: TFA, Red Skull explains that the Tesseract wasn't for the eyes of ordinary men. But then it gets passed around like a blunt in all the other movies.
I am dying laughing
Actually, the man who the Red Skull was talking to, said that.
@@SpFlash1523 Noted.
Not watched the movie in a while.
I thought about that too, but they explain it. At the beginning of the first Avengers movie, Shield called director Nick Fury because the tesseract was handling unimaginable energy levels and, therefore, had been activated and was uncontrollable. This is what Maria Hill says to Nick at the beginning of the movie. Apparently there are moments in which the tesseract is activated and deactivated. When it is activated it is powerful, dangerous and harmful to ordinary humans, but when it is deactivated anyone can grab it.
Yet Doctor Strange had no trouble going from Titan to Earth in Endgame, when that same could've applied in Infinity War.
Was just going to mention this too.
My best guess is that he's on a planet instead of moving through space on a speeding ship. The sling ring is described as having "power to open and sustain dimensional portal between any two points within the universe." So, if he's on a moving ship he can't have a solid and stationary starting point to connect to a second point. But that's just my guess
@@Blake-ev4ur technically planets are moving too but I like your theory. 👍🏼
@@heldercruz230 I thought of that a minute or two after I replied but you can't account for everything in a fan theory. Plus if you really want to get technical: to get around this he could have made a huge portal (which we see can be done in endgame) in a stationary spot far in front of the ship and teleport the entire thing back to our solar system. So plot hole again
@@Blake-ev4ur lol I’m just happy the movie was so good and the perfect ending for the Infinity arc!
Regarding Pym Particles: it’s canon in the comics that Hank Pym’s explanation of how the Pym Particles work (decreasing the space between atoms) is not true. He knows how they work, but his false description that he gives to others is to help prevent it from being replicated.
I also consider that maybe the mass of an object isn't just a function of the particles - it's a function of the "amount of space" occupied by the particle. In this sense; it's like every particle with mass is a tiny gateway to a place where gravity comes from. And in fact, if we consider that space itself has been expanding since the Big Bang -- it may actually be true. And -- all particles could actually be getting smaller as the Universe ages as Space expands -- it's really impossible to know.
It suggests that Mass is relative to space/time -- and we see this is true as mass increases with acceleration. And protons accelerated to nearly the speed of light gain more mass and size. In a sense; a larger particle then is acting like it is accelerating while standing still; gravity and acceleration are the same. So -- Pym particles then might work by moving the state of the particle in terms of energy forward or back in time -- and this is how it changes mass and size but the mass still acts as the same amount of particles.
I can see how actual physics might support this -- after feeling for many years it was a really bad abuse of science that it wouldn't maintain mass.
Also if this were true, at some point the distance between atoms would be smaller and smaller means potential energy would go through the roof. Go small enough and this would theoretically create black holes
I just assumed that he gave an overly-simplified explanation in the same way that I tell people I'm from London, because if I say my actual hometown they've never heard of it so the answer ends up being 'near London'.
@@danielkim9436 That was one of my first thoughts on seeing the movie. As he got infinitely smaller, he got infinitely denser. This should have created a minor gravity effect, causing nearby matter to be drawn in, adding to his mass. As the mass increased, the gravity effect would also increase. Basically, "going quantum" should have created a rapidly expanding event horizon and destroyed the world.
@@tedgovostis7351 precisely!
How about the fact that throughout the entirety of Iron Man they say the entire name of shield, and don’t have the acronym figured out, but all throughout Captain Marvel, they are calling it shield.
He was younger and less serious in captain marvel. And he knew Tony was smart and would understand the acronym when he said the full name
I recently rewatched Iron Man and noticed that Colson only says it once (I think). Tony and Pepper both go for saying the whole name before Colson corrects Pepper at the end. My guess would be that they introduce themselves that way first, and then refer to themselves as SHIELD after that point
It was most likely an unofficial way to call the agency that people used casually. In Iron Man, agent coulson was being formal and therefore referred to it with the full name
Stark said that the full shield name is a mouthful and Coulson responded "we're working on it'
@@ToxynCorvin8008 you’re absolutely right, and it disproves pretty much any of the possible explanations. It pretty much boils down to “they hadn’t thought things out by iron man 1”
11:20 that explanation made my engineering degree burst on fire
Yeah, what the hell was that?
well, Ryan is not a physisist, but he shouldn't have adressed that in the first place.
It's not the correct explanation. He says that Pym Particles decrease the mass of an object but that's impossible because that would go against the law of conservation of matter. Matter can neither be created nor be destroyed.
@@garuna5688 How about you pick up a book on General Relativity my friend. Not only can mass increase or decrease depending on your velocity but also by changing the energy content of an object in other ways such as uncompressing or compressing a string. True story.
@@OMGanger Isn’t that only extremely high velocities we’re taking about? 😂💁🤮💕🦐
Thanos gave an infinity stone to Loki because Tom Hiddleston looked at him with his puppy eyes and said: "I want it pleeeeeeease." Thanos wasn't able to resist this magic. True story.
Lol
I mean who could say no to that
That coffee cup needs some glue and also a reality stone but not in that order.
omg! crazy to see you here Garrett! love you so much and hope that you are doing well!!! :)
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I know it's quite off topic but do anybody know of a good site to watch new movies online?
@Wells Kian i would suggest Flixzone. You can find it on google :)
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Apologies if this has been addressed, but Ant-Man's strength is not affected when he shrinks, which implies it is size-independent, yet he is markedly stronger when he grows in Civil War.
But he also get tired quicker when he grows
Yes it is....
It's because Pym Particles do that.
Um I’d argue that it definitely is affected when he shrinks. His movements have more force behind them and he becomes more deadly than at regular size
@@alittleoflolo Then the other side of the coin is that he should be less strong when he shrinks, but he punches full grown men airborne...
Biggest plot hole IMO: why didn’t Dr. Strange just lop Thanos’s arm off with a portal on Titan to get the gauntlet, like he lopped Cull Obsidian’s arm off when Obsidian and the Maw attacked New York?
Wong did that, and mostly by accident. Dr Strange wasn't even there to see it, so its possible that he never considered that application of a portal. Also, Cull Obsidian was trying to get back through an existing portal that Wong simply closed. He didn't open it around Culls arm specifically to cut it off. In the middle of a fight like the one on Titan, opening up and maintaining a portal, in the hopes that he could get Thanos to stick his arm through it would have effectively taken Strange out of the fight completely, and everyone would have died.
@@croaker517 you’re right, it was Wong. I misremembered that part.
But Strange does have the ability to move portals. He does so in Thor: Ragnarok, so he wouldn’t have to open and maintain a portal, in the hopes that Thanos would stick his arm through it.
my guess is thanos skin would be too hard to actually cut through, it took Thor with Stormbreaker to actually put the titan in the grave, even captain Marvel had to struggle a bit, so it's not impossible that portal thingy are infinite power, like the portal would not shut if thanos were to put his arm in the portal :)
Well I'm pretty sure in Dr. Strange's discoveries while he was looking at all the 14 million possibilities he saw with the Time stone, that was an option that didn't work.
@@madrigal1213 but since they could make thanos not close his fist, and he needs to in order to use the infinity stone, this theory is less prevalent, but i'm still sure dr Strange couldn't harness enough dimensional energy to make a portal strong enough to cut thanos or something :P
Note on ant-man shrinking explanation:
Density is the relationship between mass and volume. Your density increases if you keep the same mass but your volume is reduced (you shrink). Or if you grow your volume increases but your density is less.
Then you say that when Ant-man shrinks "he decreases his physical mass" with doesn't make sense with the comment and previous formula shown.
I think the tank and ant-man abilities might be explained by saying that pink particles affect density AND how acceleration/gravity is handled by the body/object and that the training and suit help the user to manipulate how acceleration effects that user.
Agreed. You can't change your mass -- that breaks the first law of thermodynamics, that energy/mass cannot be created or destroyed. The volume is changing (gets smaller or larger) which affects the density -- as volume decreases, density increases, because there is more mass (atoms) in a smaller area.
Furthermore, weight would stay constant, because mass is constant. The tank would retain all of its mass, and so would be INCREDIBLY heavy as a keychain.
Also, it's Pym particles, not pink particles :P
- Dr. K
MASS CAN BE CONVERTED INTO ENERGY
PROVED BY EINSTEINS POPULAR EQUATION E=MC2 SO WHEN HE SHRINKS HE ACQUIRES ENERGY
AND WHEN HE BECOMES BIG LOSES A LOT OF ENERGY SHOWN BY THE MOVIES WHEN HE BECOMES BIG
True
@@aravindarao9523 you can’t just GIVE something potential energy. Potential enery is a function of an accelerated field, it’s how much energy you would gain if you stop resisting the field and go back to ground state. PE does not work here
If you convert mass to energy it basically always turns into radiation. And shrinking space between the atoms still should not convert anything into radiation or energy. Its density and volume, just like the comment said. The explanation makes no sense.
What FORM of potential energy does he have? It’s not gravitational potential, nor electric potential energy. It could only really be intermolecular potential from squishing atoms together and keeping them close but for that energy to be released he has to grow bigger and let go of that energy.
Simply put, if you lose something - energy or mass- it must be gained by something else or released in a new form. Similarly, if you gain something, something else must lose it. If antman punches his arm would slow down like a real human would because his energy is transferred to the thing he punched. Kinetic energy is a function of mass. Less mass means like kinetic energy. He can’t punch harder if his mass is less, but if he punches with the same force his mass can’t be less. It’s self contradictory.
The movie wrote itself into a corner and I don’t think anyone has ever provided and actual scientific reason or even lore based reason for this because the concepts and applications with the movie itself conflict with each other becaus it’s inconsistent within it’s own story.
Antman punches with the force of a man over the area of a tiny fist for pressure. The tank should weigh down with the force of a tank. The physical explanation isn’t the largest issue. The physics don’t work because the movie doesn’t work.
@@EvilNinja182 ok just some form of energy regulated by Pym particales I have edited my comment
I still want to know how Hawkeye's wife's phone was still connected to the network after 5 years of inactivity.
Landline?
@@kaydenking2155 she went back to the 1990's?
He paid for the phone service. That’s not a plot hole it’s just something you have to read between the lines.
Hawkeye and his wife are retired spies,if they need to communicate then they’ll find a way.
Read between the lines!? So he was paying the bill despite being so grief stricken and utterly (apparantly) convinced they were gone for good that he was steadily murdering any and all criminals systematically worldwide....but read between the lines that he had a super secret hope that the Avengers would figure out how to pull off a time heist at some point so he'd better keep that service on just in case? Totally, I see it now.
11:05 that explanation is an insult to physics...
The psuedo-physics of the shrinking is just inconsistent - there isn't an explanation.
Wow....omg... man dont’t talk about things you don’t really know...
Yeah, even though theres other unexplained powers in mcu it's the only one that i really don't like
@@madrigal1213 i wish it was that way...bcuz unlike other powers like an infinity stone's where they have made up powers different from our reality ant man contradicts too much of our physics that makes it less (i dunno)intresting
(Note: Read only if you understand science)
Reverse Engineering:- Weight of ant man decrease, as he walks on gun and it doesn't move down because of he's weight(same goes for tank, and building he put it in suitcase), Weight = Mass * gravitation, gravitation= 9.814(constant on earth), so Mass have to decrease 11:16 (i know mass doesn't changes but here it only option, i think not only distance between atoms but atoms size reduces too reduce size hence decreases mass too); density would be constant (density of blood should remain constant if it didn't blood wont circulate(as it get clot) and cell wont get ATP(energy) and eventually he will die), which means volume will decrease too(as mass decreased too) to make same density (density=(mass/volume)), here decrease in volume implies size gets smaller
in simple, Weight and mass changes, density doesn't
10:20 written on left "Pym particles shrinks distance between atoms" is completely wrong,
as Moosa said, 'Pym particles shrinks distance between atoms" would implies -> Weight doesn't, density changes
and its not possible(if Weight doesn't changes than tank would have same mass(hence weight) how could he lift tons of weight just by one hand) its Cleary wrong
(Moose derived argument is right from data he have, but date(statement) is wrong)
11:13 (mass is changed hence its changes weight as (weight = mass * gravitation)gravitation= 9.814)
He totally wrong here
11:22 Potential energy idk what the f*ck he said here, potential energy increases because of mainly height on earth(for normal objects, mass and gravitation(if h is low) are not change )
formula of Potential Energy (P.E.) = Mass*gravitation*Height
so he clearly wrong about it, its not based on living thing and non living thing, potential energy depends on mass, gravitation & height
im pretty sure Strange didnt know how to port from space but learned it when he saw the timeline where they won.
Actually the scepter influencing loki makes sense in the very same movie when banner holds the scepter the very same thing happens to him leading to him going hulk in the following scene
This also explains the disconnect from the Avengers movie and the first episode of Loki. He shows up to the TVA as an arrogant narcissist, not a sadistic psychopath like he was during most of the Avengers. This is because the scepter is no longer influencing him. That allows his transformation into a good person to not feel as jarring.
If Ant Man has decreased density when he's in giant form, then when he's in the water in Ant Man and the Wasp, shouldn't he be unable to break the surface tension of the water? It seems like he'd be able to skim over the surface like most insects.
for the same reason, a submarine can submerge or emerge. for the density alone should be always submersed until reaching the button of the ocean right? but there is a lot besides density alone that allows it to emerge.
Time travel is always a touchy subject in fiction, and rarely done well. In the MCU, they explain that changing the past doesn't affect the present, it creates alternate timelines. I think they messed up.
So I go in the past, pluck an infinity stone, and bring it to my present. I created an alternate timeline, where that infinity stone doesn't exist anymore. Time shouldn't stop in that timeline, just because I left. It carries on, and time passes in both my timeline, and the alternate timeline that I created.
Now if I go back in time again, and return the stone at the exact perfect time, seamlessly returning the stone where I got it, I now create a 3rd alternate timeline; likely identical to my original timeline (maybe they merge into one, "restoring it", not important). What is important is that, just as stated originally, going in the past of a timeline doesn't change its present (or future, however you want to look at it).
In other words, the 2nd timeline I created by removing the stone has continued on for a while now, and going in its past to return the stone won't undo it or change the outcomes that happened between me taking the stone, and me returning the stone. That's not how time travel works. That timeline moved on, without the stone, and there's literally no amount of time travel that can change that, based on the explanation made multiple times in Endgame.
At best, I could travel to the point in that timeline that would be considered "their present", and return the stone. Traveling to any other point in that timeline will only create other alternate timelines, leaving the original one as stoneless as it was when I took it in the first place.
False. Trying to go back in time in your own timeline causes a new reality to be made. Nothing is said about time travelling forward. That should be perfectly possibe (in fact, we are both doing it right now). Travelling back to the alternative timeline BEFORE you left would indeed make another timeline but arriving afterwards will have no effect.
As for how time passes, I don't think you're properly comprehending time travel. There is no such thing as the 'present' or time moving forward. All time happens simultaneously. The alternative timelines aren't 'carrying on', they've already happened, are happening and will happen.
@@arandombard1197 DAMN HOW THE FAK did u kno this way before loki
The time stone, space stone and reality stone can reverse that via the user by combining the 3 stones to reverse the time, fixing the reality in the space where the stone was taken.
@@nathanielashleynunag7906 It was common sense really.
Re Dr.Strange teleportation: then how was he able to teleport himself, Spiderman, and the Gardians back to earth for the final battle in Endgame?
The portal was "in place". If he made a portal on a ship the portal itself might go rocketing towards the back of the ship as it is in a fixed point of space and the ship is moving quickly. (i know planets move too but space always seems relative to the planet- otherwise you couldn't teleport at all because locations are always moving)
@@tggdan3 ok. I like that. Makes sense. How about stopping the ship or once they get to Titan creating one, before they fight Thanos?
@@AirHarp I dont think he'd teleport them back when they get there cus Tony said it'd be better to fight him on his planet instead of destroying earth.
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@@flergyburgerson4963 That's a very good point!!!! I never thought of it that way!
about 11:15 if you decrease volume, you increase density, but the mass stays the same, therefore the weight stays the same aswell.
exactly what i thought at that point
but it not true as he can walk on gun, if weight is same then it would move down because of his weight, and how hank lifted tanks which would weigh tons, just think,
@@techskool8245 that is why the movie does not follow its own rules.
@@techskool8245 real physics>MCU physics
My theory
Reverse Engineering:- Weight of ant man decrease, as he walks on gun and it doesn't move down because of he's weight(same goes for tank, and building he put it in suitcase), Weight = Mass * gravitation, gravitation= 9.814(constant on earth), so Mass have to decrease 11:16 (i know mass doesn't changes but here it only option, i think not only distance between atoms but atoms size reduces too reduce size hence decreases mass too); density would be constant (density of blood should remain constant if it didn't blood wont circulate(as it get clot) and cell wont get ATP(energy) and eventually he will die), which means volume will decrease too(as mass decreased too) to make same density (density=(mass/volume)), here decrease in volume implies size gets smaller
in simple, Weight and maass changes, density doesn't
10:20 written on left "Pym particles shrinks distance between atoms" is completely wrong,
as Moosa said, 'Pym particles shrinks distance between atoms" would implies -> Weight doesn't, density changes
and its not possible(if Weight doesn't changes than tank would have same mass(hence weight) how could he lift tons of weight just by one hand) its Cleary wrong
(Moose derived arument is right from data he have, but date(statement) is wrong)
11:13 (mass is changed hence its changes weight as (weight = mass * gravitation)gravitation= 9.814)
He totally wrong here
11:22 Potential energy idk what the f*ck he said here, potential energy increases because of mainly height on earth(for normal objects, mass and gravitation(if h is low) are not change )
formula of Potential Energy (P.E.) = Mass*gravitation*Height
so he clearly wrong about it, its not based on living thing and non living thing, potential energy depends on mass, gravitation & height
Plot Hole: If Ant Mans power increases when he is small, wouldn't the opposite be true when he grows? Meaning wouldn't his punches when he's Goliath be weaker?
No. When Antman shrinks, his power increases per square inch, so he becomes very powerful relatively to his size. When he increases in size, the same thing happens. His power may decrease per square inch relative to his size, but he is so big and powerful at the point, that it doesn’t matter
the correct answer is yes.
antman doesnt make sense physically or chemically. (and doesnt need to, honestly)
anyone that tries to explain it is just wrong.
@@bluepeng8895 what?
No because Pym particles. Make sense now?
Square cube law.. so he keeps his weight, so its a punch with a tiny impact point, so its like a bullet. While big, he has more muscle and weight, so he is slower but very strong.
About the first plot hole: in Endgame he did teleport everyone from Titan to Earth with no problem. And from all other parts of the universe as well. Seems that it's not that different from teleporting anywhere else
one could argue that it was because the ship was moving, so he didn't know exactly where he was (making his powers less op), but I prefer to think that he just wanted Stark's opinion on returning back on earth
@@nibor4323 yeah, just a cool line. Or maybe he didn't want to take tony and peter in the portal with him because he didn't like them, who knows
@@michaelll hey man, nice plot hole you found. For now I'm sticking with my theory that Strange was just being a dick, like "hope you can fly this shit back to earth cause im not gonna f**king teleport your asses"
When they were in the ship right as they left New York they didn't know where they were going, so they had no clue where they were. You can't open a bridge from one place to another if you don't know where to anchor the starting point of your bridge.
@@micah06v8 this rule doesn't exist on the movies, they have scenes in Doctor Strange explaining how portals work and they didn't mention any need to know where you are currently...
All they said was to imagine every detail, clear your mind and picture the place you want to go. The ancient one even throws strange into Mount Everest with no clue where the fuck he is and he manages to open his portal and come back
And no, knowing the name of the mountain does not mean you know where you are
Tony never stopped being Iron Man at the end of 3. Hell, he even says it himself. He's just not letting it be the only real thing for him anymore. He built suit after suit to distract himself. He always found flaws that he needed to fix. He was addicted. The clean slate protocol was just meant as a new starting point for him. Iron Man was no longer just a way to distract himself but a controlled part of who he is.
I have always wondered how this flew over people's heads. I mean it's rather simple.
That's the problem. Without thinking twice they will say it as plothole
Not only that but in Age of Ultron, Tony illustrates the fact that he want the Avengers to be absolete. He became Iron Man once more so that he can stop being him. That’s why he creates Ultron.
Exactly. After that film, the Ironman suits just become a tool that Tony uses rather than part of his identity.
11:09 no, the pym particles affect density, not mass, they can't affect mass because then you would be removing actual parts of the human wearing the suit. And mass (the amount of stuff in something) cant be added and subtracted from a human without causing physical harm. Weight can be reduced but only if you change the gravity (going to Mars would reduce weight but mass would stay constant)
When it comes to breakdowns and explanations, Ryan of Screencrush is the very best! No one does it any better!
Yessir!
Nope, erik voss is better
@@mofotov9428 not even close. Voss and NRS are good but they have a team. Ryan does it all in his own. Not to mention that Ryan usually uploads quicker videos on newly released movies. Guarantee NRS watch Screen Crush videos.
They had Ryan on NRS recently!
@@TheQuincyEdwards did they, when? I kinda stopped watching because I get everything I need from Ryan’s vids.
What are some other Marvel plot holes you want me to explain?
Existence of Marvel Television Characters from Netflix, Hulu, Freeform and ABC in the MCU
the whole marvel netflix characters inclusion
Skrulls
Why are the Avengers not in trouble with the time cops if loki is? They purposely change the time-line! They did exactly what the time cops are supposed to stop...
@@coryandrum Because they did it for good
like, if you break a window to save orphan kids from a fire, I don't think cops are gonna arrest you for breaking this window, time cops probably work the same way, and they returned the stones so no big deal
I love how you present all these explanations with supreme confidence, even though you're completely spitballing, have nothing to back it up, and even your plot-hole explanations have plot-holes of their own.
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Especially noticed that regarding the battery question. He could have just said “he’s in space, there’s technology there to create batteries”
Well he never did say his answers are indeed the correct ones.
He is giving you answers that you can either take or leave as you will.
Hey you didn't really explin the Dr. Strange portal plothole, we see in Endgame he telelports back to earth and we know because of Spider FFH, that after they were snapped they return to where they were snapped. So that means Dr. Strange really open a portal back to Earth.
Maybe Bruce made a special requirement when he re-snapped (which would make sense, considering how many people he'd doom by returning them to vehicles that were no longer where they were originally, or to buildings that no longer exist or whatever) for people to be returned to a safe place, and since Titan wasn't exactly a safe place for Dr. Strange and the gang, they were sent back to Earth instead?
@@asdkotable i doubt it because in the background when spiderman comes out the portal we see he was on Thanos home planet where he was snapped. Which meant either Dr.Strange or Wong(his assistant) could have open a portal between that planet and earth.
And no my roommate and I talked about it yes people when they came back would have died as planes, boats, etc world had have people in them and just disappear and then reappear in the middle of nowhere.
you can clearly see Titan behind him as they come out of the portal.
thats just a plothole. this explanation is bs
11:15 Your Pym Particle explanation is completely wrong. You got it backwards Pym Particles change your volume, not your mass.
Not sure that "Credible" is the word you're looking for when criticizing the hypothetical science in a Disney Space war movie reviewed by a guy in a Video Rental store uniform that hasn't even been promoted to Assistant Store Manager over his dog.
But the fact you got bothered enough in real life to make a snarky comment made me smile. 🤣
@@dylankormos7813 Mass and volume are real words that have actual definitions.
Peter Quill: Rechargeable batteries. They came out in 1970s
I got you all with the pim particles.
Hope says they change the space between atoms.
But the only way that makes sense is if the space is actually warped so that to the atoms, they are the same distance apart but to us, they are much closer.
(Otherwise that much compressed potential energy would cause a black hole)
So how can the density of objects just change willy nilly?
Easy. Mass is actually just the sum of all forms of energy in an object (according to Einstein's General Relativity)
So if pim particles can warp space, then the atoms of the tank can be way farther apart from their perspective, vastly decreasing the contained potential energy and therefore, its mass
The Pym particles do NOT decrease the mass, they decrease the volume. At least with the description given in the movie. This is the cause of the confusion, the tank has the same mass, but a smaller volume, meaning that the tank still weighs as much as a tank should.
Then how does he carry it around on a keychain? That's literally the plot hole...
In reality, a much better explanation is: that's not how Pym Particles work at all, but Hank lies when he tells people because he doesn't want them to be able to recreate them. (this is a cannon explanation from the comics, I believe, and is some grade-A "unstable molecule uniforms" level nonsense straight from Stan himself, that would justify the science not making any sense)
Hela wasn't the soul stone keeper. She was banished to another realm.
Since this is a multiverse now, its possible there was never a keeper in this universe before redskull.
A plausible explanation for Dr. Strange asking Stark if he can get them home: Strange has the time stone & was given the task of protecting the universe by The Ancient One. It’s possible that he had already looked through time & saw the ‘14 million’ or so possibilities, and therefore every act or line of dialogue that we see from Strange is simply him following the timeline that ends well.
It could also be said that the timelines only got explained the way they did to prevent trying to say there's a plot hole. Any plot hole now is simply "because of the correct timeline"
No
Fury trusted that Goose was on his side and wouldn’t hurt him, he never lied about his eye.
I think the lie it's the question was 2 parts, the best way to conceal he still had the tesseract was to laugh off the first part.
About Thanos traveling through time with his army.
For all we know 2014 Thanos might have taken 15 years to recruit scientists around the universe and do research before he developed enough pim particles to travel back in time.
We only know he travelef back in time, not how much time and work it took him to get there.
Guardians 2 is set in 2014 and in stan Lee's cameo he says he was a fed ex man even though he was seen as a fed ex man in captain America civil war in 2016
"Ego is the last Celestial"
The Eternals Movie: "Am I a joke to you?"
The Eternals are not Celestials. They have been created by the Celestials, like humans and deviants.
Eternal are human experiment by celestial
Oof..
You might want to delete this one, bud.
For anyone who is confused, the Celestials were confirmed to be returning in the Eternals Movie for a long time already
@@Quartings No doubt. It's an origin story, no?
Flashbacks.
About the explanation of the first plothole:
If all Dr. Strange has to do to teleport is picture the destination in his head, couldn't he just picture any place on earth to teleport to?
(I'm asking because I'm confused by Ryan's explanation.)
Who knows there could be some tech on the ship that ebony maw put in place to not allow such things to happen. It's clear that dr strange can teleport in space because he brings back everyone to Earth during Endgame from Thanos home world Titan. I think Ebony Maw being a man of magic and.illusion himself probably thought of a way to not allow prisoners to escape the ship as a precaution.
This point confused me as well. Dr Strange did in fact teleport everyone on Titan to Earth in Endgame...
I believe Dr. Strange still needs to know where he is in his current place in Space and Time in addition to picturing where he wants to go.
He needs to know where he is, in order to be able to teleport
@@archangel5627 so he should be able to land on titan and then portal out
Your explanations are really reaching...
Well they’re theories not facts... better guesswork than a lot of what we’ve seen from other fans.
11:05 nice job switching mass and volume and swapping equations to fit your narrative
"Why'd Thanos give Loki a Stone for Loki to go get another Stone?"
Signed: people who never heard the word "gamble" XD
6:45 Says "Dennis Reynolds, the Golden God says...." then proceeds to pixelate his name on screen....way to go.
Loki: “I used the stones to get the stones”
Uhm, Doctor Strange knew he would go with the Blip. The Endgame had to be set up without him and that's why he ask Tony Stark if he could find his way home. Yeah.
But he asked tony before looking at the futures so no
What Omar said. Also Tony didn’t find his way home, captain marvel found him.
Your Dr Strange explanation doesn't hold up......how did he open a portal to Earth in Endgame if he couldn't open one in Infinity War?
In IW he didn't knew the location. In EG he knew where to open.
In the Incredible Hulk, Tim Roth's character received the super soldier serum (or at least something similar to it). Why wouldn't Ross use it? Especially after Civil War when he wants to control a team of super powered individuals.
He takes his job seriously. He doesn't go fucking around when he has test subjects for his dirty work
It clearly had serious side effects. Even before Tim Roth took the Gamma irradiated blood he was started to transform into...something. So that serum wasn’t good enough.
That serum was failing. Also the only serum existing was at the hands of Hydra
anyone know the song which was played while quill was going to take power stone in this videos?
4:21 this makes actually sense. Loki knew that the scepter would cause discord between the avengers. I think he was aware of the effects it had on mind, but too arrogant to think that it could influence him, too.
The bigger question about Janet Van Dyne's Quantum Realm Sabbatical is, where did she find eyeshadow?
Makeup works different in the Quantum Realm. 🤣
dude everything is super awesome that 11:21 physics class... please don't. Im cryin
The doctor strange teleporting training, he’s told see the ‘destination’ in your mind, not current location
Yeah, so HE COULD have used a portal to get them back.
I have tried and tried but will never understand why tony stark didn't killed the winter soldier after knowing that he killed his parents. Hydra controlling his mind is not a good answer. It's not only a plot hole but I believe incredible lazy writing
14:12 no, he jumps back to this exact time and place because that exact time and place is where the wrist band is anchored to... like you've already said.
There's no way that they could reverse-engineer the entire time travel pad thing from just the wrist band, then likely used the wrist band's tech to carry the entire ship back to it's anchor point
I just enjoy the movie. not gonna hurt my brain with physics. It's a superhero universe, not a documentary. Like the world of wizardry in Harry Potter, I just need to know how the rules work in that world. Not in mine 😊
Okay okay-- in Infinity War, when Star-Lord finds out that Gamora is dead, Stark says "Quill, you gotta cool it rn", suggesting that he also knows the implication of what Nebula says (what happened on Vormir). But yet in Endgame, he is the one sending Hawkeye and Black Widow, suggesting he knows one of them won't be coming back!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
So what happend when cap went to put back all the stones...? What happend with soul stone? Did he met the red Skull? Did they fought? And what happend with soul for a soul deal on Voromir? Did someone got back to life?
Amazing Content Ryan Arey 👍
Hulk says in endgame that time travel doesn't change the present but even then cap stays back and it changes the present and he is there in that exact timeline and not in an alternate one
Tony Stark knew that Thanos went to Vormir with Gamora and came back without her (Infinity war when quill snaps) so did he know when he sent clint and nat to vormir that only one of them will return?
He had no real reason to think it was an exchange, as none of the other stones needed to be traded. He likely assumed Thanos got what he wanted and killed Gamora after she was no longer if use to him.
@@davechan8613 possible
Tony didn't knew Soul stone need sacrifice he thought Thanos murdered her
@@davechan8613 did you forgot Nebula could have explained him
@@charlespuruncajas9663 The only person who knew there was a mandatory exchange was Thanos. All Nebula knew was that Gamora didn't return with Thanos, so she assumed that Gamora was dead. Gamora could just as easily have been a hostage on Vormir, for the return of the Soul Stone, and Nebula would have no way of knowing that....
The Doctor Strange teleport plot hole is still there. In Endgame he clearly teleports himself, the (un)dusted guardians, and Spiderman from Thanos' home world (you can see it through the portal). So if he could do it then, he could have also done the same as soon as they arrived there (even if opening a portal from the ship in hyperspace was impossible). For a suggested out, perhaps he had to use the time stone and all that alternate timeline searching to get his bearings, and then in the process began to notice that they kept losing whenever he teleported them all back home. Also, for those who will criticize him not having a clear visualization of his destination at the giant hole in the ground that was the remains of the Avengers compound, the same search of the timeline provided that too. :)
I rewatched the first avengers movie recently and when Tony goes into the portal with the nuke there was this suspense of “is tony gonna make it through the portal before it closes” but I was thinking shouldn’t Thor be able to fly into the portal, grab tony, and just fly back? I feel like Thor should be able to fly in space
He doesn't Fly in space. Thats why tHeimdal teleports him via Bifrost.
Remember Thor doesn't really understand his own powers till his last movie, he uses his hammer not realizing he doesn't need to, the god of hammers joke kinda helps illustrate this.
Basically he doesn't know the full extent of his powers much like marvel doesn't until she uses more and more of them.
I don't think Hela tried to gather the Infinity Stones. She didn't seem all that impressed with the Tesseract or to know about the others and what could be done with all of them. When she was going through the vault and passed the Tesseract she said, "That's not bad" then kept going. She was all about the Eternal Flame.
I think the portal thing can't be done while traveling especially at high speed
the earth, the solar system and everything is traveling at high speed.
@@ZielAmerak yes but the gravitational pull is much stronger we are like part of it unlike riding a vehicle where you can get off - balance or fall off
@@json6279 but ebony maws ship obviously has some sort of artificial gravity. So your gravity argument is irrelevant here.
@@harrisonbaylor1432 maybe we should also argue about antman not creating a backhole? It's sci fi and I think that is a good enough explanation since I never seen them running while carrying a portal w them
@@json6279 yeah, I watched a video about him and creating a black hole. Definitely should have when he went smaller than an atom. Honestly antman is just pure movie logic now. They explained it all in the beginning then ignored their explanation and made him do whatever they wanted after that.
Whoa you hold up Screen Crush! We do know that he can open his portals anywhere because that's how he brings Spiderman and himself back from Titan for the final battle in Endgame.
Almost all of your explanations fail to convince me.
Possibly not a plot hole but a fun question- In Thor, the gang read up on Norse mythology to learn about what's going on. If Norse myth is the same in the MCU as it is in our world, why is everyone then surprised when Loki turns out to be a bad guy? His giant ancestry and his role in Ragnarok are right there in the stories.
if the mind stone corrupts everyone who wields it then why isn’t vision bad when the mind stone is literally on his head
Maybe because he had no agendas.
The mind stone corrupts others, but Vision was created with the stone as a base of sorts, so it wasn't able to corrupt him?
To be fair red skull isn’t the guardian of the soul stone, he’s merely a guide for it
Always annoyed me in Iron Man when he punches through a wall and then pulls a guy through it instead of crushing him against the wall. Implying the man's body is stronger than the wall.
Explosions don't have fire in them either. It's just action movie physics.
The wall might have been plaster of some kind, in which case it is plausible. You can tear it down bare handed.
I always see this misunderstanding, and it's ALWAYS WRONG. I DON'T KNOW WHY. Say it with me, guys: Tony *never* gave up being Iron Man. He never said he was going to. All he did was blow up the suits he'd been using to cope with his PTSD, to get rid of his crutch. His monologue at the end of 3 specifically calls *those* suits a cocoon, and now that he's gotten rid of them, he can start being Iron Man properly. As for Civil War, he wasn't "not being Iron Man," he just didn't have any suits handy because he was doing political stuff. And even when he WASN'T, he still had that emergency watch thingy.
I wanted to see an answer for one of the questions that popped up onscreen: How did Steve return the Soul Stone? Was that covered in another video? But more importantly, would he have had to run into the Red Skull to do it?
Thx for putting this into my mind.
He just tossed it off the cliff.
And Red Skull was the guardian. There's no point fighting someone who is bringing back your treasure.
@@bobagorof why should red skull hang out there without a cause?
@@bobagorof Not that I think there would have been a fight - it just would have been interesting.
How about this. Thanos destroyed the soul stone so Red Skull has nothing to guard. Will we see him in the future now?
IMO Ryan and this channel are the best when it comes to their perspective, movie Easter eggs, and reviews. My personal opinions are very similar.
Peter Parker said in Endgame they traveled through a hole Dr. Strange made in Titan so..
Ok so i have some issues with the conclusion of Endgame with Cap. His appearance as old Cap is a prime example of why i hate time travel as a plot device in general. I do appreciate it for what it is though. My MAIN issue with it is where did Cap get that shield to give to Falcon? Thanos destroyed his shield in battle and the only one able to repair it would have been Black Panther since both Tony and Shield are gone. Cool so BP repaired the shield between the battle and the funeral? Maybe, but that wouldnt matter because he didnt have the shield when he left on the time platform. Go look. He has the case with the stones and the hammer to return but no shield and thats something kinda hard to conceal. Steve would have had to take the shield from Shield or himself at somepoint and make it back to the main timeline to give it to Falcon...And that just doesnt sound like Captain America
My god, that mass energy explanation was a "big oof", as the kids say
no one says that.
Also for the question of how Thanos gets everyone to the future is he only need to shrink the ship with everyone in it to bring EVERYONE. Just like in Antman 2 when they shrink and grow with the car and building. ???
How can Pym Particle even change the mass of atoms at 11:15. To reduce the mass it have to be in accordance with E=mc². So when antman shrinks be must releases so much energy exploding everything near him 🤯. And to expand and gain back his mass again he needs that much energy. 🤔
I mean yea thats literally the whole process facilitated by pim particles and why you need them in the first place
6:12 Tony invents timetravel(and decides to help them) because of spiderman, he feels guilty and wants to bring him back(scene in Endgame, right after they left him in the cabin, and he is alone in the kitchen, doing the dishes)
where's my mum in this one?😕😕
bruh wtf
@@brucelau2023 it's a joke the channel always makes in their videos
Iron Man 3 is the only truly bad Marvel movie. it should just be ignored along with Captain Marvel.
the conclusion: people don't know what "plot holes" are anymore. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to you.
No no no.. I don't see one "retiring" after their stint of guarding the Soul Stone. You don't just "pack it up" and go home to live your life, AFTER you've been guarding the Soul Stone, for damn near EONS.
Okay, I enjoyed this, but two points:
1. I’m doubtful Hela was a guardian of the Soul stone. No proof on either side I guess, but if that was the case I’m sure Odin would’ve had said something.
Also we’ve seen that Asgardians (eel at least Loki) can hold Infinity Stones with no ill-effect, so she wouldn’t have been deemed unworthy of their power. She is stronger than Thor, and at full-strength, probably stronger than Thanos, because she could just regenerate and grow stronger on Asgard.
It’s likely whoever the previous guardian was, they got released (died maybe) when The Red Skull took their place. It could be anyone, since we know the Tesseract has been around forever and many people have had access to it. Specifically it was on Earth, bestowed by Odin. A curious person could have easily tried to pick it up and use it.
2. I hope you were joking about Quill and the Sovereign queen. I highly doubt they got together.
An easier, and more plausible explanation, is space science powered his Walkman. Quill is in space with far more advanced technology that also seems to be electricity-based. So he could easily find a replacement for those batteries, maybe even build make shift ones from the advanced tech he has access to. Or maybe the Ravagers did that for him. And considering it’s advanced tech they could plausibly power the Walkman for a long time.
The real plot hole is how the Walkman itself, earphones and tape survive all those years. It doesn’t seem like he’d want to upgrade or replace those parts, due to their sentimentality. But who knows.
Why was Red Skull was chosen by the Tesseract to guard the soul stone. Everyone else who held the Tesseract (Fury in Avengers and Loki in Endgame) were absolutely fine. Everyone who held the Power Stone was killed (or almost) so unless it's just cos the Space Stone is the only one capable of sending a guardian to Vormir but still why Red Skull?
I doubt Hela was a previous guardian though.
In The First Avenger Bucky falls off the train on which Cap later captures Arnim Zola. However in a flashback scene in The Winter Soldier you can see Arnim Zola attending Bucky after his fall giving him his metal Arm and saying "He'll be the new fist of Hydra"
How can ge attend Bucky after the fall when he's captured by Cap at the same time.
This is something that bothers me everytime I rewatch The Winter Soldier
A better explanation for Pym Particles managing to take people into the Quantum Realm would be them decreasing space between particles, not necessarily atoms.
All particles are made of basically empty space; it's not just atoms that have mostly nothing around them, the "inside" of atoms is a mostly empty area with electrons moving and/or teleporting around and a handful of protons and neutrons in the middle... And _even_ if you look inside said protons and neutrons, _they_ are basically empty space with a few quarks zooming about...... And even _those_ fucking things are mostly empty space, with some preons hanging around, probably more stuff too.
If you shrink the distance between all fundamental particles, it would be quite easy for a whole ass person to fit inside of a goddamned electron, let alone "slip between atoms... Well here's to hoping Marvel eventually gives a damn about how Ant-Man's powers work. The Quantum thing just needs a throwaway line of someone saying some shit like "well once you are down to the smallest distance between your atoms the Pym Particles just shift to decreasing the distance between what makes up those atoms" and it works just fine... The whole mass thing is a whole different rodeo, and would require a _lot_ of bending over backwards if they ever want to save it.
Sorry dude, but that Density/mass/weight explanation was utter nonsense. Mass and weight are effectively interchangeable in the same gravity field. If the "pym particles compress intermolecular distance" explanation is real, when shrunken down, Scott should be crushing everything he steps on, because all of his weight is focused on a much smaller area, and when he goes giant, he should float away like a Macy's Thanksgiving Day balloon with its tethers cut. Think of old time snow shoes, the ones that look like oversized tennis racquets. They keep you from sinking into the snow because they spread your weight (mass) over a larger area, so you don't punch through the snow. Now glue a thumb tack to the sole of your shoe. As soon as you put you weight (mass) onto that foot, the tack punctures most flooring, because all of the force is concentrated into the tip of that tack.
How did Gamorah get off Earth after Endgame? All of the ships Thanos had brought with him were snapped away, and the Benetar, and its escape pod are both accounted for, as is the space stone. Earth isn't exactly flush with spacecraft at this point in time; Any Quinn Jets, similar to the one Hulk used to get to Sakkar would have been destroyed or at least rendered inoperable for spaceflight in the initial attack on Avengers HQ, so without the Guardians help, she would be stuck on Earth.
Why does Ego claim (and seem to believe) that he was completely alone in his beginning? Wouldn't he be aware of the other Celestials? Also, wouldn't the other Celestials (not to mention the Eternals) have acted to keep Ego from taking over everything?
Why did Tony give up on life when Palladium was toxic to him. If he could get a risky surgery in Iron Man 3 to get rid of shards and ultimately survive without an Arc Reactor, getting that surgery in Iron Man 2 was a more rational and a calculated risk. The only thing he would lose at that time was Iron Man but he would've all the time in the world to solve that problem (Also plotwise it makes perfect sense that he has threats that need Iron Man but he can't be unless he solves this one problem). I mean he wasn't suicidal, he was just impulsive because he ran out of elements for Arc Reactor which meant that his mortality wasn't his choice, we know this because as soon as he finds the clue to the new element, he does everything to save his own life. The plot hole is that a genius literally giving up on life because he ran out of every single element but his genius mind never thought about a risky surgery which he later thinks of and went for it, just for a personal reason than an essential one?
11:19 makes me want to tear up my engineering degree.
Okay so the Antman thingy, I am fairly sure it doesn't just shrink the space between atoms but also within them. There is a crap ton of empty space between the protons and electrons, and there is a crap ton of empty space between the quarks in a proton and all that. Still as density increases, mass doesn't just disappear. Maybe, just maybe you loose some tiny amount of mass as you squish things closer together, but at no point will you make a tank loose enough mass to be able to carry it in your pocket. Your more likely to make micro black holes.
Mass and density explanation isn't sustainable (about tank). Originally Pym's technology decreased only volume and not mass. And besides it is physically impossible to just "decrease mass", it has to go somewhere.
Following the Pym partials when you shrink you have the same strength focused into a smaller point. So following that logic when you grow into giant man you still have the same strength as human size. You how is he stronger when big but not weaker when small?
There is this thing where Gamora and Nebula didn't know in GOTG that the orb contains an Infinity Stone but in Endgame, 2014 Gamora and Nebula knew their existence.
Unpopular opinion: Hank Pym did not really know the full extent of how Pym Particles works. This is why he claims they simply reduce space between atoms. Evidence that he lacks knowledge is in that he thought it was impossible to come back from the quantum realm.
This is my favourite explanation, either that or he does know how they work, he just doesn't bother to fully explain it to Scott, giving him the bullshit "moves atoms closer together" explanation to save having to give him 3 years worth of lectures
Iron man died but thanos didn’t when using the gauntlet. I say that this is because the only thing they had to do was change the reality, and the reality stone was on his middle finger, which he snapped with. Tony Stark had to use more energy because it was on a different finger and it killed him.
The music in GotG movies are not portrayed linearly either. Quill exported his music to the Ravenger ship he lived on so Rocket was able to play a track from it in Volume 2 but that track came from Starlord's first cassette he had since leaving Earth. The last track at the end of the first movie was on the second cassette his mother made so technically that's a Volume 2 song. And given that random human junk ends up on the galactic exchanges, like a Zune, Quill probably just bought batteries second hand there or there was technology sufficient to recharge the ones he had or new better ones crafted.
I think groot's arm on stormbreaker didn't blip is becuase its not part of him anymore... same reason why bucky's arm also bliped... because its a part of him...
For Peter's walkman, he could've used the same repair technology Rocket used to rebuild the Milano, making the walkman good as new whenever he wanted. Maybe this also worked with the walkman's batteries, maybe not, but either way I'm sure there are plenty of "space batteries" Peter could've used to power the walkman.
I imagine anyone in a society where spaceships and warp tech exists could easily manufacture a new battery that lasts for decades that can fit the walkman, especially when Quill can provide them the actual batteries to serve as a design blueprint to be reverse engineered. The Ravagers had a full machine shop and maintenance facility for servicing their fighters on board with all the tools needed for Quill to even do it himself if needed. Less of a plot hole as just not addressed on screen.
Giant man (Antman) is my biggest problem, if we accept that when he shrinks he retains the potential energy of a regular sized man how do we account for his increased mass and energy in giant man form?
Explain the missing Scrull from Marvel? Is that how Secret Invasion happens? Did that Scrull take over Sharon Cater??