Honestly, I think Discord's fading is the fact that, not that he's being non-chaotic, but he's doing everything to normalize himself....."I'm Normal" - Spongebob
When it comes to Fluttercord, this episode had the opposite effect for me. I was never too into Fluttercord, but this episode on top of "To Where and Back Again" is starting to make me think that there's something more between Fluttershy and Discord than just mere friendship. But that's just me.
It's not that Discord doesn't like the others, it's mostly that he considers Fluttershy to be his BEST friend, and everyone else is just regular friends...
@@AlzMarioWolfe I do not think he's boring. I love episodes with discord. [But they fucked up writing him in season 8 but they fucked up nearly everything in season 8 (just like voltron)] but I love the whole episode with big mac and spike over sugarbelle and discord just wants to play OnO. I love him in the Christmas special. He and fluttershy are my two favorite characters in the show now. And I've been shipping them since keep calm and flutter on. I don't think he's boring.
Doctor Disney Oh great, a Fluttercord. Yeah, of course you’d feel that way. As long as it fits your shipping agenda, you don’t care about what happens to him.
@@AlzMarioWolfe I did not say that. I was really mad about how they handled him in twilights kingdom. And whatever the fuck it was with starlight and the school. And the boring one where twilight jealous. But he is always the best part of the episodes he's in. And I dont care if my "shipping agenda" isnt met. My ships are often not met but I can still like characters together. My whole point of shipping is personal enjoyment. If a show doesnt make it canon I have fan fiction and fan art. You dont have to be a jerk about my ship, I'm just saying youre assumption was wrong. My whole first comment was explaining why he was disappearing. His potential is often wasted but he is almost always hilarious. I find discord hilarious, but I am also easily entertained. Ill play with a ball on with a penny in it for hours. Finding someone funny is completely subjective and I love almost everything the writers do with discord. You may not be wrong about you finding him funny or him being better as a villain, but I love friendly discord. I love him being adorable with spike and big mac in OnO. I love him being grumpy he didn't get invited to the gala. I love him being petty and ruining twilights day with cadance. Youre not wrong that you dont enjoy him, but you were wrong in thinking I didnt
Doctor Disney I’m sorry but if you actually loved how Discord was you wouldn’t even ship him with Fluttershy. She literally ruined his character and it almost killed him. He’s betrayed her multiple times, he got so jealous of a FRIEND that he ruined the gala and almost banished the friend (which is extremely toxic and abusive if he was in love with her), their age gap is CRAZY, he’s overall awful to her, almost killing her and her friends just to run that school for a while. I’m glad you don’t think it’s canon like most of them do but you gotta think this through past them just interacting a lot.
I think the disappearing thing is more to do with his personality than his powers. This is really the only time so far that we've seen him changing WHO he is and how he thinks, even when he was without magic he was still a spirit of chaos in his mindset.
With the whole Accord Arc, I thought the reason he did not disappear was that he inverted his nature as a creature of chaos into that of order. If Accord were to act chaotically without going back to chaos mode, the same thing would happen. That's my headcanon at least. Also, with the elements I think its because they lock him in stasis, not allowing him to change in ANY way include fading out of existance.
That or he can be sustained by chaos caused by others.... As in there needs to be something chaotic happening around him in order to keep him from fading away.... (As flutter-shy was able to bring him back from the brink by causing chaos herself when he was no longer physically able to...) In the case of him being imprisoned in stone, he was still kept in the royal garden, the CMC were probably not the first ones to argue in his presence... Then of course there was the annual Grand Galloping Gala... Given how Celestia tends to send out invites with the express purpose of "livening things up" I doubt that the "Best night ever" was the first time chaos has erupted at the event... (Held right next to where he was imprisoned possibly even within his view... Heck Fluttershy was probably chasing terrified critters around his feet before bursting into the main hall...) As for when Tirek stole his magic? I'd say what Tirek was doing was causing a fair amount of chaos... Then in the changeling hive? That place was pretty chaotic in it's own right...
I alsp would argue thst it has to do with his state of mind. Like, even if he isnt *acting* chaotic he is thinking about and feeling the Chaos in the World. But when he is in a state of being plain and normal, he looses controll over his form and cant substain it, heck him disappearing. That would explain why other instants didnt count.
Indeed, he has to make himself be normal in body and mind for this disappearing thing to occur, if others make him normal in body or cause him to be unable to act chaotic (by making him unable to take any action like when he was turned to stone), that still doesn't change him mentally.
Transhuman Hivemind Or changing his position... Or moving any of his muscles. I guess his power and the Elements' power were Deadlocked until that one little display of disharmony from the Crusaders gave him the slightest edge.
Ryodraco Right? But not even a regular kind of normal. If you glanced at your hand and found that you could suddenly see THROUGH it, you'd probably start FREAKING OUT. Discord just goes "Huh... Have I mentioned what a nice day we're having?"
Discord is truly best character Seriously, whenever he appears, I know I'm gonna enjoy whatever episode it is (except Make New Friends, but Keep Discord, that one was eh)
I think it's less about discord not being chaotic that causes him to change and instead it's more about he's trying to be something that he isn't in order to impress (in a platonic way) fluttershy.
the thing is, the other times he wasn't chaotic, he wasn't normal either. He was still his normal self, just without magic. This time, he's trying to be normal, and is succeeding, therefore his self is dissipating
I think he starts disappearing because he's specifically trying not to be chaotic, the other times he would still be able to be chaotic but this time he's trying to shut it off completely
My take in it was that Discord was disappearing because he was denying his true self. Kind of like when he discorded the Mane 6, but instead of turning grey, he'd turn non-existent
Discord disapears because he has set his mind to beeing "normal". Not only his - in some cases forced - acting "normal", but he tries his hardes to be like a pony. So Fluttershy likes him forever.
4:37 Well, I don't think he disappeared just because he wasn't doing chaotic stuff. I think t was because he was completely *rejecting* his chaotic nature altogether, like ignoring who he was and all that jazz.
I don't think there's anything weird about the fact that discord talks to himself, probably because I have at least 20 voices in my head I swear im sane
Pinkie's advice doesn't fall on deaf ears at all. It's Pinkie's advice that really triggers Discord's insecurity, causing him to backpedal everything he's been doing thus far to prepare and then some. (Don't worry, Pinkie, it was a good advice in general; he just overthought it.) ------------ I don't think it's fair to say that Discord's disappearing contradicts other episodes. Sometimes he isn't doing anything chaotic at the moment, but this is the only time he's ever actively attempted to be ordinary, to stop being the living embodiment of chaos rather than simply being the living embodiment of chaos who is cleaning up after himself after he's had his fun (because otherwise Fluttershy will scold him). Even in the Accord arc, he wasn't trying to be ordinary; he exerted considerable magic to become the living embodiment of order instead. Accord probably would have started vanishing as well if he tried to become so milquetoast. Speaking of which, how could you comment on "finger foods" but not "milk toast"? That was clearly the best pun in the episode.
The Discord vanishing isn't because he's not doing anything chaotic, it's because he goes against his own nature by acting too normal. In my opinion it makes perfect sense. He doesn't need to be chaotic 24/24, but being normal is what is destroying him. I suppouse Fluttershy's attempt to cause chaos to make up for Discord being normal was good enough of a cure.
2:33, they stay in business the same way that multiple shoe stores in the mall stay in business. I don't know how but my guess is that people need a lot of shoes, tea, and tea pots. maybe tea pots are short lived in equestria.
Although this may not sound like much coming from a random UA-cam comment I just want to say, thank you KP. I appreciate that you explained why you don't ship Fluttershy and Discord rather than just hating the couple, I appreciate you gave a reason as to why you prefer them as friends and even though I ship Fluttercord I still appreciate that you addressed it, this was my thought when I finished watching the vid~
... Sometimes I ponder what it's like to lead an existence that demands one to not make any coherent sense, or face imminent erasure from reality itself. >):^? It must be hard and... Oh snap, he's having withdrawal fades again! Quick! Do something wacky!
*Nearing the end of the episode* Me: Wow, Kp managed to go one Discord episode without talking about shipping, what a relief *6:59* Me: You fucking soiled it
"How do these guys stay in business?" There are shops in my hometown that sell only tea, or tea sets (seriously, it's called a China Shop), or even more niche things like yarn and ONLY YARN. It's not too hard to believe that Ponyville might have shops like that. Also Spirited Away! One of your best ending gags yet!
Saphira Banes Well they have a canon relationship, but it's still not a canon romantic relationship. Big Mac and Sugar Belle are a canon romantic relationship. But Discord and Fluttershy are good friends. But that does mean there's plenty of shipping fuel for them. I still prefer Dislestia though! Dislestia, then DiscoPie, then FlutterCord and TwiCord bring up the rear.
XShadOBabeX dont forget about Lunacord, Im sure there are other ships but I would add it to the 5 most known ships with Discord. But no I dont ship Lunacord myself.
5:06 I took it to mean when he was Acord he had used his magic to forcibly transform himself into a pure being of harmony, and the reason he's fading away in this situation is because he is forcibly repressing his magic, after all there are other ways to cause chaos, you can cause chaos by simply doing something others would not expect you to do. As an example discord could snap his fingers and rework and rework and eyes all of equestria's bureaucracy into three simple one page forms, no one would ever expect it and they be pulling their hair out trying to figure out why he's doing it and what he's hoping to gain.
Discord was fading out of existence because he suppressing his chaotic nature too much. In the Season 4 and Season 6 finale, he may have lost his use of magic, but he wasn't suppressing who he really is, and, especially in the season 6 finale, he was still chaotic.
KP, discord was still discorded when he was around the other mane 6. He is able to socialize and be around others not of chaos but still not vanish. The *reason* he started vanishing was because he himself was turning chaotic and unreal things into normal objects and features. He was going against his very nature which metaphorically could not stand to be, a chaos entity bringing about order and harmony, it wouldn't stand against nature. Or rather it would go exactly how nature is meant which is reverse of chaos. I loved the episode tho. Great ships and fun times.
About canon. No matteer what the writers say, I always like to divert comic universes, "animated series universes" and "movie universes" into different dimensions of cannon. For example. Sunset Shimmer is a real character in EQG, but since there isn't any kind of reference of her in the regular series, she never existed in the AS (animated series) canon universe, or at least she never came back in the AS canon universe so Twilight never had to go through the mirror. Alternatively, maybe the mirror portal never existed. So yeah, we got the spin off universe of EQG and the series canon universe of the animated series. The same goes for the comics.
If Discord had faded, but not vanish or just greyed out, I think that would have been stronger than vanishing all together. It would have been a strong call back to other episodes where ponies were de-powered. Like when Discord turned them against their elements or when Tirek sucke their powers. Only a small complain in an otherwise enjoyable episode.
My understanding of it was that Discord was fading away because he was actively changing his chaos dimension, he could act no chaotic and even lose his magic because he had a whole dimension of chaos to sustain him like a reserve battery but drain that of its chaos and he will fade away.
I was just thinking that we need an episode of him and someone other than Flutters right before you said he and Pinkie should be better friends. And I agREEE!!! We don't really get many episodes of him doing friend stuff with characters other than Flutters and it's really missed potential since you could make some pretty interesting episodes with him and the other mane six(seven?). Not counting Dungeons and Discord and other episodes where he's more just being a troll to the other characters. Flutters is the only one he's genuinely nice to with out trolling her. But gosh him and Pinkie, the absolute chaos that would ensue with and episode like that. I need.
I think the reason why Accord didn't disappear is because Discord had shifted his very nature to a creature who thrives on order instead of chaos. What does clash with this episode however, is that Discord learned a very big lesson from his debacle in the comics that he shouldn't be so insecure and change himself to get others to like him. Then again, the latest episode acknowledges why it took Fluttershy so long to learn the same lesson about coming out of her shell more, and the same principle can be applied to other characters. Maybe Discord figured that bending over backwards without flipping the switch on his core nature would work.
Okay, there is a big difference. It's one thing to "not do chaotic things." That won't do anything to Discord. But this time, he was actively removing chaos while doing overly orderly things. There's a big difference. And it isn't something that is likely to be an actual liability.
But as much as I (gasp) would think it would be nice for them to eventually get together, I agree that Discord is in no position for understanding romance, let alone instigating it. I am a firm believer in the friendship kind of love. (I actually think it superior in many ways. And not because I don't understand it.)
They never "forced" him to be. A villain. And he is a literal *being* of chaos so of course *too much* normality would start erasing him from existence. And to my knowledge it was said that the comics *are* canon whenever they don't conflict with the show. So if the show doesn't overwrite something then it can be considered canon.
I thought Discord was vanishing because he was denying his very self, not having his power taken away. I do wonder what his realm was like for all those years when he was trapped in a stone body?
The difference this event has with that of Tirek is that with Tirek, it was an external cause. Tirek took the chaos magic from Discord, making it so that Discord ceased to be a "creature of chaos". However, in this episode, it was an _internal_ cause. Discord still had his chaotic magic, but was going against his chaotic nature. In short, Discord never went against his chaotic nature when Tirek took his magic.
I think the reason he disappeared in this episode and not in others is the fact that he is willingly becoming non chaotic Where’s the other times it was sorta, forced upon him.
My head just clicked on to a new idea. Discord is the embodiment of Chaos, which in MLP is represented by a swirling ass of... I guess purple stars? Other mediums I've seen Chaos explored in showed it as Red, Black and White. And Discord fits THAT really well. Start of the show, Discord represented Black Chaos, the evil part of everything chaotic. Towards the middle, before Tirek, he represented Red Chaos, still kinda bad, but getting towards good. A balance of each. Now, as he is, he represents White Chaos. Good magic for the sake of helping instead of hurting. Needless to say, I want MLP to explore Discord having an identity crisis. They could have done that with Tirek, instead of having Discord just go bad because Tirek was disappointed. The way he is now, he could have a sort of identity crisis where he remembered how "powerful" he was when ponies feared him, while still remembering that he's got friends in Fluttershy and the rest of the Mane Six and Starlight, all the while feeling like if he lets himself be a little bad every now and again, it wouldn't hurt anything. The three warring parts of his mind could decide to split themselves from him, leaving THREE Discords instead of just the one. Evil Discord, ruled by Black Chaos, could be more dragony or something. Good Discord, ruled by White Chaos, would probably be more pony like to fit with the MLP Cannon. And Red Discord, ruled by Red Chaos, would look normal but not be nearly as powerful. The final plot point being that the Mane Six and Starlight have to find a way to restore Discord back to normal. I think that would make quite the interesting episode. Or even a set of three episodes? Who knows.
Spoiler alert Supercon just released the John De Lanice panel, and he said he hasn't recorded any lines for the movie, but he has recorded two more episodes.
Technically, what happened in those comics was that Discord was outside of his dimension when he tried to change himself, as well as when he was interacting with Luna in the dream realm. When he attempted to act 'normal' inside his dimension, the world he made was rejecting him because he was messing with the natural chaos he was made for. Heck, if you look at the latest comic, the dimension he lives in is his 'battery recharger', and if someone more chaotic than he takes over, he begins to lose his power bit by bit, and the new owner slowly turns crazy with time passed once the power gets to them. Likewise, he had to cut off his magic just to time travel, which means he couldn't be able to go to his home if it doesn't exist anytime other than between his stonification and the present day.
Chaos Theory was different. In that it wasn't a matter of Discord going against his own nature, he changed into a completely different person. If Accord tried to act more chaotic he probably would have started to fade away too.
If you think about it discord is chaotic but not always in a bad way. He does things no one expects. So it could be when he doesn't stay true to his nature that happens. Minus the time magical means turned him into his opposite. In the comic. This could also be metaphorical. When he started being like everypony else he was losing himself or losing his own identity.
KP, he didn't disappear when his magic was stolen or when he wasn't really doing much particularly chaotic *because* neither of those instances displayed him changing his true nature. It's not just doing chaotic things that feeds him, it's abiding by his true nature as the incarnation of all things considered chaotic. It's when he tried to change his fundamental nature that he began to disappear. As he clearly stated in the episode: "For the first time in my life, I feel... perfectly ordinary."
4:38 He is dissapearing because he is going against every he stands for, in fact I think it's less chaotic than Ponyville in his house at the point probably less chaotic than Canterlot, there's always at least one whiny noble causing some chaos with their complaints, it too orderly not harmonic orderly. Ponyville is Chaotic Harmonic there is more chaos but still maintains an assymetric balance with order. Canterlot on the other hand is Orderly Harmonic with more order than chaos and thus Order provide an assymetric balance with Chaos.
So i guess Discord will disappear if he change his personality (or acting long enough) into normal by own free will, act normally, speaks normally etc. long enough. But he won't disappear if his magic is taken away because he still has chaotic personality... That should explain everything, am i right? Also, no Back to the Future reference when Mcfly hand was starting to disappear when he was playing Johnny b goode?
Really funny episode. Definitely in my top 5. Really Season 7 has 3 of my favorite episodes as well as my favorite. The writers really got their shot together after Season 6
It wasn't as extreme as him not being chaotic for a seen but from him actually changing his self to the opposite of him true self, it would be similar to the season 2 premiere where all the main cast was changed to the opposite of themselves making so they could not use the actual elements they represent, or similar to that American dad episode where roger tried to be opposite of himself and it was literally killing him
pk i might have a tought on why discord actualy disapears when his house is non chaotic. its becous thats his sourse of power if his HOUSE is chaotic he himself wil always poses the power of chaos but if his house is neat and tidy and calm and all that he losses his ower becous the sourse is "harmonized" wich causes a bit of chaos in its own right
Honestly, I think Discord's fading is the fact that, not that he's being non-chaotic, but he's doing everything to normalize himself....."I'm Normal" - Spongebob
Jacob Daniels He is normal, in his way.
When it comes to Fluttercord, this episode had the opposite effect for me. I was never too into Fluttercord, but this episode on top of "To Where and Back Again" is starting to make me think that there's something more between Fluttershy and Discord than just mere friendship. But that's just me.
I actually started shipping them To Where and Back Again.
It's not that Discord doesn't like the others, it's mostly that he considers Fluttershy to be his BEST friend, and everyone else is just regular friends...
Discord is the embodiment of chaos. He needs to be chaotic. He started to disappear because HE CHOSE to repress what he is.
Finally someone else who thinks Discord is becoming useless and boring!
@@AlzMarioWolfe I do not think he's boring. I love episodes with discord. [But they fucked up writing him in season 8 but they fucked up nearly everything in season 8 (just like voltron)] but I love the whole episode with big mac and spike over sugarbelle and discord just wants to play OnO. I love him in the Christmas special. He and fluttershy are my two favorite characters in the show now. And I've been shipping them since keep calm and flutter on. I don't think he's boring.
Doctor Disney Oh great, a Fluttercord. Yeah, of course you’d feel that way. As long as it fits your shipping agenda, you don’t care about what happens to him.
@@AlzMarioWolfe I did not say that. I was really mad about how they handled him in twilights kingdom. And whatever the fuck it was with starlight and the school. And the boring one where twilight jealous. But he is always the best part of the episodes he's in. And I dont care if my "shipping agenda" isnt met. My ships are often not met but I can still like characters together. My whole point of shipping is personal enjoyment. If a show doesnt make it canon I have fan fiction and fan art. You dont have to be a jerk about my ship, I'm just saying youre assumption was wrong. My whole first comment was explaining why he was disappearing. His potential is often wasted but he is almost always hilarious. I find discord hilarious, but I am also easily entertained. Ill play with a ball on with a penny in it for hours. Finding someone funny is completely subjective and I love almost everything the writers do with discord. You may not be wrong about you finding him funny or him being better as a villain, but I love friendly discord. I love him being adorable with spike and big mac in OnO. I love him being grumpy he didn't get invited to the gala. I love him being petty and ruining twilights day with cadance. Youre not wrong that you dont enjoy him, but you were wrong in thinking I didnt
Doctor Disney I’m sorry but if you actually loved how Discord was you wouldn’t even ship him with Fluttershy. She literally ruined his character and it almost killed him. He’s betrayed her multiple times, he got so jealous of a FRIEND that he ruined the gala and almost banished the friend (which is extremely toxic and abusive if he was in love with her), their age gap is CRAZY, he’s overall awful to her, almost killing her and her friends just to run that school for a while. I’m glad you don’t think it’s canon like most of them do but you gotta think this through past them just interacting a lot.
"Discord ADORES Fluttershy!"
I wonder why...
Call me crazy, but I think KP might like Discord.
ShadowL Drago You might be onto something there
ShadowL Drago 😮!! How-how could I have been so blind to never notice!! Are you sure?
You are crazy
ShadowL Drago If she does she's very vague about it.
ShadowL Drago pffffff she hates him
I think the disappearing thing is more to do with his personality than his powers. This is really the only time so far that we've seen him changing WHO he is and how he thinks, even when he was without magic he was still a spirit of chaos in his mindset.
With the whole Accord Arc, I thought the reason he did not disappear was that he inverted his nature as a creature of chaos into that of order. If Accord were to act chaotically without going back to chaos mode, the same thing would happen. That's my headcanon at least.
Also, with the elements I think its because they lock him in stasis, not allowing him to change in ANY way include fading out of existance.
That or he can be sustained by chaos caused by others.... As in there needs to be something chaotic happening around him in order to keep him from fading away.... (As flutter-shy was able to bring him back from the brink by causing chaos herself when he was no longer physically able to...)
In the case of him being imprisoned in stone, he was still kept in the royal garden, the CMC were probably not the first ones to argue in his presence... Then of course there was the annual Grand Galloping Gala... Given how Celestia tends to send out invites with the express purpose of "livening things up" I doubt that the "Best night ever" was the first time chaos has erupted at the event... (Held right next to where he was imprisoned possibly even within his view... Heck Fluttershy was probably chasing terrified critters around his feet before bursting into the main hall...)
As for when Tirek stole his magic? I'd say what Tirek was doing was causing a fair amount of chaos... Then in the changeling hive? That place was pretty chaotic in it's own right...
I alsp would argue thst it has to do with his state of mind. Like, even if he isnt *acting* chaotic he is thinking about and feeling the Chaos in the World. But when he is in a state of being plain and normal, he looses controll over his form and cant substain it, heck him disappearing.
That would explain why other instants didnt count.
Indeed, he has to make himself be normal in body and mind for this disappearing thing to occur, if others make him normal in body or cause him to be unable to act chaotic (by making him unable to take any action like when he was turned to stone), that still doesn't change him mentally.
Transhuman Hivemind Or changing his position... Or moving any of his muscles. I guess his power and the Elements' power were Deadlocked until that one little display of disharmony from the Crusaders gave him the slightest edge.
Ryodraco Right? But not even a regular kind of normal. If you glanced at your hand and found that you could suddenly see THROUGH it, you'd probably start FREAKING OUT. Discord just goes "Huh... Have I mentioned what a nice day we're having?"
Discord is truly best character
Seriously, whenever he appears, I know I'm gonna enjoy whatever episode it is (except Make New Friends, but Keep Discord, that one was eh)
I think it's less about discord not being chaotic that causes him to change and instead it's more about he's trying to be something that he isn't in order to impress (in a platonic way) fluttershy.
the thing is, the other times he wasn't chaotic, he wasn't normal either. He was still his normal self, just without magic. This time, he's trying to be normal, and is succeeding, therefore his self is dissipating
I don't think discord disappearing was necessary because he was trying to act normal, but because he was trying to abandon the chaos within him.
Fluttercord forever
Yasss
I think he starts disappearing because he's specifically trying not to be chaotic, the other times he would still be able to be chaotic but this time he's trying to shut it off completely
My take in it was that Discord was disappearing because he was denying his true self. Kind of like when he discorded the Mane 6, but instead of turning grey, he'd turn non-existent
Discord disapears because he has set his mind to beeing "normal". Not only his - in some cases forced - acting "normal", but he tries his hardes to be like a pony. So Fluttershy likes him forever.
Opposites attract and that is why people ship Fluttershy and Discord.
4:37 Well, I don't think he disappeared just because he wasn't doing chaotic stuff. I think t was because he was completely *rejecting* his chaotic nature altogether, like ignoring who he was and all that jazz.
And I've been asking for a pinkie and discord since discord premier
You're waiting for PinkieCord too?
Bluebell Frost my two favorite characters to cause so much trouble
I'M NOT ALONE!!!!!
Why? Dislestia is more likely. There is no romance or even any sort of tease
I don't care what you say, I'm still shipping those two romantically!
I don't think there's anything weird about the fact that discord talks to himself, probably because I have at least 20 voices in my head
I swear im sane
Wow I'm honestly surprised you didn't have a conniption fit due to all the Fluttercord shipping fuel in the episode.
She doesn't care about the sad friendship attempts, sorry.
LMFAO I was thinking the same thing haha
She's ignoring everything for her own Disletia ship.
There's a shop that just sells teapots, a shop that just sells tea, a shop that just sells couches & quills - PONYVILLE NEEDS A WAL-MART!!
Pinkie's advice doesn't fall on deaf ears at all. It's Pinkie's advice that really triggers Discord's insecurity, causing him to backpedal everything he's been doing thus far to prepare and then some. (Don't worry, Pinkie, it was a good advice in general; he just overthought it.)
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I don't think it's fair to say that Discord's disappearing contradicts other episodes. Sometimes he isn't doing anything chaotic at the moment, but this is the only time he's ever actively attempted to be ordinary, to stop being the living embodiment of chaos rather than simply being the living embodiment of chaos who is cleaning up after himself after he's had his fun (because otherwise Fluttershy will scold him). Even in the Accord arc, he wasn't trying to be ordinary; he exerted considerable magic to become the living embodiment of order instead. Accord probably would have started vanishing as well if he tried to become so milquetoast.
Speaking of which, how could you comment on "finger foods" but not "milk toast"? That was clearly the best pun in the episode.
What can kill a draconequs: Being the opposite of chaos.
It isnt not being chaotic that kills him, its being normal.
The Discord vanishing isn't because he's not doing anything chaotic, it's because he goes against his own nature by acting too normal. In my opinion it makes perfect sense. He doesn't need to be chaotic 24/24, but being normal is what is destroying him.
I suppouse Fluttershy's attempt to cause chaos to make up for Discord being normal was good enough of a cure.
Probably the best Discord episode so far.
Yay! He CAN go through an episode without playing an antagonistic role!
2:33, they stay in business the same way that multiple shoe stores in the mall stay in business. I don't know how but my guess is that people need a lot of shoes, tea, and tea pots. maybe tea pots are short lived in equestria.
Actually maybe they survive because of all the Chaos & destruction that happens in Ponyville from monster attacks and such!!
Multiple shoe stores DON'T stay in business in malls. NOTHING in shopping malls stays in business anymore.
maybe you gotta see it as that he doesn't dissapears by doing nothing chaotic for a moment, but he does when he stops embracing it
Although this may not sound like much coming from a random UA-cam comment I just want to say, thank you KP. I appreciate that you explained why you don't ship Fluttershy and Discord rather than just hating the couple, I appreciate you gave a reason as to why you prefer them as friends and even though I ship Fluttercord I still appreciate that you addressed it, this was my thought when I finished watching the vid~
I loved this episode but your explanation of it was as chaotic as our beloved character. A little more focus is truly needed.
... Sometimes I ponder what it's like to lead an existence that demands one to not make any coherent sense, or face imminent erasure from reality itself. >):^?
It must be hard and... Oh snap, he's having withdrawal fades again! Quick! Do something wacky!
*Nearing the end of the episode*
Me: Wow, Kp managed to go one Discord episode without talking about shipping, what a relief
*6:59*
Me: You fucking soiled it
Me: *casually ships FlutterCord*
KP: *SLAPS*
"How do these guys stay in business?"
There are shops in my hometown that sell only tea, or tea sets (seriously, it's called a China Shop), or even more niche things like yarn and ONLY YARN. It's not too hard to believe that Ponyville might have shops like that.
Also Spirited Away! One of your best ending gags yet!
If you can't see that Fluttercord is basically canon, than I don't know What's wrong with you.
Saphira Banes Well they have a canon relationship, but it's still not a canon romantic relationship. Big Mac and Sugar Belle are a canon romantic relationship. But Discord and Fluttershy are good friends. But that does mean there's plenty of shipping fuel for them. I still prefer Dislestia though! Dislestia, then DiscoPie, then FlutterCord and TwiCord bring up the rear.
XShadOBabeX dont forget about Lunacord, Im sure there are other ships but I would add it to the 5 most known ships with Discord. But no I dont ship Lunacord myself.
It's canon. Angel confirms it.
5:06 I took it to mean when he was Acord he had used his magic to forcibly transform himself into a pure being of harmony, and the reason he's fading away in this situation is because he is forcibly repressing his magic, after all there are other ways to cause chaos, you can cause chaos by simply doing something others would not expect you to do. As an example discord could snap his fingers and rework and rework and eyes all of equestria's bureaucracy into three simple one page forms, no one would ever expect it and they be pulling their hair out trying to figure out why he's doing it and what he's hoping to gain.
Discord was fading out of existence because he suppressing his chaotic nature too much. In the Season 4 and Season 6 finale, he may have lost his use of magic, but he wasn't suppressing who he really is, and, especially in the season 6 finale, he was still chaotic.
KP, discord was still discorded when he was around the other mane 6. He is able to socialize and be around others not of chaos but still not vanish. The *reason* he started vanishing was because he himself was turning chaotic and unreal things into normal objects and features. He was going against his very nature which metaphorically could not stand to be, a chaos entity bringing about order and harmony, it wouldn't stand against nature. Or rather it would go exactly how nature is meant which is reverse of chaos. I loved the episode tho. Great ships and fun times.
You know, if you don't ship Discord and Fluttershy, you could always ship Discord and Pinkie...
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*That moment when you found a lot of PinkieCord shippers commenting here*
I'M NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!
Actually, I'm not a PinkieCord shipper romantically. I kind of just ship them as best friends.
Hahaha, they're communication and relationship in this episode is why I ship fluttercord lol I love fluttercord 😍😊
About canon.
No matteer what the writers say, I always like to divert comic universes, "animated series universes" and "movie universes" into different dimensions of cannon.
For example.
Sunset Shimmer is a real character in EQG, but since there isn't any kind of reference of her in the regular series, she never existed in the AS (animated series) canon universe, or at least she never came back in the AS canon universe so Twilight never had to go through the mirror.
Alternatively, maybe the mirror portal never existed.
So yeah, we got the spin off universe of EQG and the series canon universe of the animated series.
The same goes for the comics.
I think that when Discord is *trying* to be *completely* normal then he starts to disappear, not when he is just acting normal and not trying to.
The problem isn't that he isn't creating chaos, it's that he's betraying who he is.
If Discord had faded, but not vanish or just greyed out, I think that would have been stronger than vanishing all together. It would have been a strong call back to other episodes where ponies were de-powered. Like when Discord turned them against their elements or when Tirek sucke their powers. Only a small complain in an otherwise enjoyable episode.
My understanding of it was that Discord was fading away because he was actively changing his chaos dimension, he could act no chaotic and even lose his magic because he had a whole dimension of chaos to sustain him like a reserve battery but drain that of its chaos and he will fade away.
I was just thinking that we need an episode of him and someone other than Flutters right before you said he and Pinkie should be better friends. And I agREEE!!! We don't really get many episodes of him doing friend stuff with characters other than Flutters and it's really missed potential since you could make some pretty interesting episodes with him and the other mane six(seven?). Not counting Dungeons and Discord and other episodes where he's more just being a troll to the other characters. Flutters is the only one he's genuinely nice to with out trolling her. But gosh him and Pinkie, the absolute chaos that would ensue with and episode like that. I need.
Discord is chaos incarnate and a living contradiction, so I wouldn't worry about this episode and the comics not adding up.
I'm pretty sure Discord wasn't disapearing because he wasn't chaotic. But more so because he used his chaotic powers to do a non chaotic thing.
This episode isn't just my favorite episode of Season 7. It's my favorite episode of Friendship is Magic AS A WHOLE.
I think the reason why Accord didn't disappear is because Discord had shifted his very nature to a creature who thrives on order instead of chaos. What does clash with this episode however, is that Discord learned a very big lesson from his debacle in the comics that he shouldn't be so insecure and change himself to get others to like him. Then again, the latest episode acknowledges why it took Fluttershy so long to learn the same lesson about coming out of her shell more, and the same principle can be applied to other characters. Maybe Discord figured that bending over backwards without flipping the switch on his core nature would work.
Okay, there is a big difference. It's one thing to "not do chaotic things." That won't do anything to Discord.
But this time, he was actively removing chaos while doing overly orderly things. There's a big difference. And it isn't something that is likely to be an actual liability.
But as much as I (gasp) would think it would be nice for them to eventually get together, I agree that Discord is in no position for understanding romance, let alone instigating it.
I am a firm believer in the friendship kind of love. (I actually think it superior in many ways. And not because I don't understand it.)
Best Fluttercord episode
Fluttercord will live on
They never "forced" him to be. A villain. And he is a literal *being* of chaos so of course *too much* normality would start erasing him from existence. And to my knowledge it was said that the comics *are* canon whenever they don't conflict with the show. So if the show doesn't overwrite something then it can be considered canon.
So do you think Sombra’s story is canon? I’ve heard most comics aren’t considered canon :/
@@_lovelylotusWell their are quite a few comics, but last I checked they never elaborated on his past in the show so I'm inclined to say they are.
I thought Discord was vanishing because he was denying his very self, not having his power taken away. I do wonder what his realm was like for all those years when he was trapped in a stone body?
*perfect pear is the best episode of the season*
OMG I loved that spirited away reference at the end xxxxxxxx 😀
I love the thumbnail. It's so cute!!
The difference this event has with that of Tirek is that with Tirek, it was an external cause. Tirek took the chaos magic from Discord, making it so that Discord ceased to be a "creature of chaos". However, in this episode, it was an _internal_ cause. Discord still had his chaotic magic, but was going against his chaotic nature. In short, Discord never went against his chaotic nature when Tirek took his magic.
I think the reason he disappeared in this episode and not in others is the fact that he is willingly becoming non chaotic Where’s the other times it was sorta, forced upon him.
About Discord & Pinkie, you must read the latest issue of MLP comics #57 where Pinkie got stuck in the chaos dimension, I think KP will love it.
The moment I read a summary of this episode, my first thought was, "Oh KP is gonna have a FIELD DAY with this!"
I liked how his "normal" look is inspired by Mr. Rogers.
Next is Perfect Pear!!! I'm so excited!!!
I want a episode with pinkie and discord
discord only ever want to prove he is better in most episodes
I liked this episode a lot. The message and conflict were things I could really relate to.
The discord book is my favorite book xD he’s also best character
The Discord episodes are always amazing!
I like how Fluttershy knows Discord better than he knows himself the girl in most any relationship are that way
Fluttershy is a good mom
My head just clicked on to a new idea. Discord is the embodiment of Chaos, which in MLP is represented by a swirling ass of... I guess purple stars? Other mediums I've seen Chaos explored in showed it as Red, Black and White. And Discord fits THAT really well. Start of the show, Discord represented Black Chaos, the evil part of everything chaotic. Towards the middle, before Tirek, he represented Red Chaos, still kinda bad, but getting towards good. A balance of each. Now, as he is, he represents White Chaos. Good magic for the sake of helping instead of hurting. Needless to say, I want MLP to explore Discord having an identity crisis.
They could have done that with Tirek, instead of having Discord just go bad because Tirek was disappointed. The way he is now, he could have a sort of identity crisis where he remembered how "powerful" he was when ponies feared him, while still remembering that he's got friends in Fluttershy and the rest of the Mane Six and Starlight, all the while feeling like if he lets himself be a little bad every now and again, it wouldn't hurt anything. The three warring parts of his mind could decide to split themselves from him, leaving THREE Discords instead of just the one. Evil Discord, ruled by Black Chaos, could be more dragony or something. Good Discord, ruled by White Chaos, would probably be more pony like to fit with the MLP Cannon. And Red Discord, ruled by Red Chaos, would look normal but not be nearly as powerful. The final plot point being that the Mane Six and Starlight have to find a way to restore Discord back to normal. I think that would make quite the interesting episode. Or even a set of three episodes? Who knows.
3:49 I thought that costume he was wearing was identical to the one Q ware in his first episode on Star Trek.
Spoiler alert
Supercon just released the John De Lanice panel, and he said he hasn't recorded any lines for the movie, but he has recorded two more episodes.
Love the Alice in wonderland thumbnail art :D
Technically, what happened in those comics was that Discord was outside of his dimension when he tried to change himself, as well as when he was interacting with Luna in the dream realm. When he attempted to act 'normal' inside his dimension, the world he made was rejecting him because he was messing with the natural chaos he was made for. Heck, if you look at the latest comic, the dimension he lives in is his 'battery recharger', and if someone more chaotic than he takes over, he begins to lose his power bit by bit, and the new owner slowly turns crazy with time passed once the power gets to them. Likewise, he had to cut off his magic just to time travel, which means he couldn't be able to go to his home if it doesn't exist anytime other than between his stonification and the present day.
Also, please record a lot of stuff at Bronycon including all the panels.
Chaos Theory was different. In that it wasn't a matter of Discord going against his own nature, he changed into a completely different person. If Accord tried to act more chaotic he probably would have started to fade away too.
If you think about it discord is chaotic but not always in a bad way. He does things no one expects. So it could be when he doesn't stay true to his nature that happens. Minus the time magical means turned him into his opposite. In the comic. This could also be metaphorical. When he started being like everypony else he was losing himself or losing his own identity.
KP, he didn't disappear when his magic was stolen or when he wasn't really doing much particularly chaotic *because* neither of those instances displayed him changing his true nature.
It's not just doing chaotic things that feeds him, it's abiding by his true nature as the incarnation of all things considered chaotic. It's when he tried to change his fundamental nature that he began to disappear.
As he clearly stated in the episode: "For the first time in my life, I feel... perfectly ordinary."
Fox brothers finally nails an episode... finally...
Welllllllllll...........
he IS the embodiment of chaos. And if you take chaos from the embodiment of chaos. It's like a math problem! 1 - 1 = 0!
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the latest episode with Discord
4:38 He is dissapearing because he is going against every he stands for, in fact I think it's less chaotic than Ponyville in his house at the point probably less chaotic than Canterlot, there's always at least one whiny noble causing some chaos with their complaints, it too orderly not harmonic orderly. Ponyville is Chaotic Harmonic there is more chaos but still maintains an assymetric balance with order. Canterlot on the other hand is Orderly Harmonic with more order than chaos and thus Order provide an assymetric balance with Chaos.
The more info that's shown the more my Discord Theory seems to be true (this episode helps it and the Discord trilogy comics help it
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The comics aren't cannon, KP. At least that's what I've been told. However, I still hadn't gotten over Twilight's racist remarks in MLP #56.
Yay ur still alive! I haven't watched ur videos since May of 2016
So i guess Discord will disappear if he change his personality (or acting long enough) into normal by own free will, act normally, speaks normally etc. long enough. But he won't disappear if his magic is taken away because he still has chaotic personality...
That should explain everything, am i right? Also, no Back to the Future reference when Mcfly hand was starting to disappear when he was playing Johnny b goode?
Love the Spirited Away crossover! :D
It was a good episode for what it was, but pales to the next one, but to be honest... the next one is hard to beat.
The comics are a separate canon from the show. The comic writers do their best to reflect the show, but the show isn't held to the same standards.
Discord, ruining the economy one snap at a time
"If I can't cause an inflation in the economy, no one can!"
That "spirited away" reference ❤️❤️❤️
Discordant Harmony is best episodes ever because Fluttershy in it 😊
Wouldn't that logic make every episode Fluttershy is in the "best episode ever"?
did u see EP 13 that's the besy
Really funny episode. Definitely in my top 5. Really Season 7 has 3 of my favorite episodes as well as my favorite. The writers really got their shot together after Season 6
It wasn't as extreme as him not being chaotic for a seen but from him actually changing his self to the opposite of him true self, it would be similar to the season 2 premiere where all the main cast was changed to the opposite of themselves making so they could not use the actual elements they represent, or similar to that American dad episode where roger tried to be opposite of himself and it was literally killing him
4:40 wrote a fanfic YEARS ago and mentioned that he got his powers from chaos....... AND BOOM NOW ITS CANON!
They failed in using Discord. His 4th wall sight gags where under used ( they did it only once ) and his turning puns literal over used.
And the gin-sing tea that actually sings will give you nightmares.
pk i might have a tought on why discord actualy disapears when his house is non chaotic. its becous thats his sourse of power if his HOUSE is chaotic he himself wil always poses the power of chaos but if his house is neat and tidy and calm and all that he losses his ower becous the sourse is "harmonized" wich causes a bit of chaos in its own right