It's always so *insane* to see videos from Kibler just 5 years ago when he looks 27, and now he literally looks like he is a 75 year old scholar in ancient Sumerian
Caverns Below also got a third nerf in Standard, although only an under-the-hood one. The aura of Crystal Core used to overwrite Sonya Shadowdancer's effect, so she would add 4/4s to your hand instead of 1/1s. I think that happened very shortly before rotation. I only remember it because I absolutely hated that deck and was over the moon to see it hit again.
One must wonder whether the designers of the card looked upon it with pride as it stayed relevant despite the gimping or as an abomination for no matter how many times they tried to decimate the thing it crawled back from the pit (sometimes with some atrocious grafts to compensate) committing absurdities and outright upsets for multiple expansions.
I feel like they wouldn’t have minded if it was good for just a couple expansions. I think once it got to Boomaday and then Rastakhan’s, they started looking at it more like the invincible creature you’re talking about
There was one more nerf to the deck after it rotated out of standard. Blizzard changed now the aura works and now you can silence the minions to remove the effect.
I remember me and my buddies opening our packs in chemistry class and my one friend losing his first 4-5 games all to that deck. I‘ll never forget his look as he got absolutely demolished trying to play Taunt Warrior. What a time, so many great memories from back then.
I love how this is a 20 minute video about the performance of a questline deck, but the few seconds where patches getting nerfed is mentioned is the most replayed section
This card was bonkers. I remember joining a regional tournament for lulz during ungoro days and was the only one who brought a caverns deck. Ended up getting top seed the first day and finishing 1st runner up on the last day.
Hot take: One of my favorite cards in hearthstone. Super different way to play the game and honestly really fun to play. A lot of people like to criticize the design but the issue with the caverns below was always one of power. Decks that punish control decks are completely fine, see the rise of shadows meta where warrior would lose to absolute meme garbage. The issue is when those decks don’t get punished by aggro, either cuz the deck is too strong or the meta’s too slow. I always hated fighting control decks so it was perfect for me. And playing quest rogue vs aggro is so engaging. Figuring out exactly how greedy you can play to survive without using too many resources to stabilize afterwards was one of the most fun and rewarding skills to develop. 10/10 card, just slightly imbalanced.
I actually watched your previous video couple of weeks ago and couldn’t finish it. Will watch the other ones but this is just perfect. You have great potential. I saw similar videos regarding yu-gi-oh and magic but never anything like this about hs. I could literally watch another hour of this and I wouldn’t been bored. I want more!)
I noticed they unnerfed the Quest and started playing it in Wild again. It's a new set of cards now that you use but I won 10 in a row and 14/15 games so far. It seems even more busted than before and you can complete the Quest by Turn 5 almost every game.
The deck is now underrated in wild, with my buddy we've been hitting diamond 5 regularly with our own Renathal version of the deck, it's still a blast to play and surprisingly not that op against some of the strongest combos you can now see in wild
Please make more videos like this! It's really joyful watching these hearthstone history videos. I'm gonna sub for more videos like this! Also, history video idea: Grim Patreon (EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!!)
I would love to see a history of priest before the times of Big, Resurrect and such. Dragon Priest (with Drakonid Enforcer, my beloved), Kazakus, those were some really fun decks that I feel the new priest decks just cant come close to (except if Harvester of Envy decks actually worked). Probably a way too wide scope, but Dragon Priest itself would be really nice to see something about again.
Thanks! Big spell mage is interesting with how long people were joking about it with arcane brilliance not having an 8 mana target in Standard but yeah, Balinda is really good
@Chundo cubelock was actually a hard counter to quest rogue after it went from 5/5 to 4/4, because quest rogue had no answer for the death knight summoning a bunch of doomguards.
Great video. Maybe next we can go to Patron Warrior or some other abomination like even and odd decks. Heck, maybe some variant of Warlock, such as cubelock or handlock or even zoolock. I love remembering what was imo the golden age of hearthstone (year of the mammoth and earlier) and I would be here for the ride whenever you made this types of video. It was super well made :D
i don't remember any even pally lists. "1 mana 1/1's"? odd pally was huge, but am i missing something? was there a mini meta where even pally actually existed?
The annoying side of quest rogue that off meta decks that tend to be B or C tiers quickly become F tier because rogue quest existence. And there were alot of them in unrank and ladders.
I know HS is kind of a dying game, but the history and personalities are really the best part. I barely play now, but I still love the game. Who knew video essays on HS could be so good. Keep up the good work man.
I feel so much regret for not coming back to this game during these expansions as how the game is now I hate it with how strong cards are and I have yet to try out classic but I doubt it's any good. I disenchanted a lot of my old cards on my old account and started from a fresh one because it didn't give my old account the offer for free cards even tho I hadn't played in several years. Really just a lot of shitty feelings over this game.
I have very fond memories of giggling inventor meta, because every deck could run it while mossy horror and blood night existed it was a huge equalizer that removed a lot of non games jank decks can have versus agro while still having counterplay as to not push out agro entirely or force a traditional higher-value clear from control
Wild Quest rogue after it got underfed up until March of the lich king it had a really nice spot in the meta where it was rare played by people who love the deck just barely pushing into viable definitely a lot less annoying to see it so rarely for those who don't like it and a nice blast from the past for someone like me sadly discard warlock hyper efficient agro, and Quest mage pillager rogue really hurt the format by keeping Maverick decks like Quest rouge utterly unplayable, in a theoretical mathematical way the format is currently balanced but people myself included do not like the current meta as it resembles rock-paper-scissors a lot more than at deck building game and meta decks routinely have play experiences that are unsatisfying non games Even if you run meta decks this is especially sad considering how amazing renathol was for the format and how and unnerfed or early rotated renathal would fix a lot of people's problems even if the meta would likely still be a bit too oppressive, the whiplash coming off of nathria to this is rather extreme
Yeah it had a fascinating effect on the meta. And to your other comment - I was thinking about covering Quest Rogue in wild because there have been a bunch of cards released that were perfect for it, but that video probably would have been about 40 minutes long
I miss the days when there was diversity in the game. There is no true control archetype. They actively removed fatigue as a mechanic. There are no value battles. It's hyper aggro or otk combos. Now i like otks, but they don't require any setup these days. They just print crazu cards that just make it happen if drawn in sequence. I don't hate the game now, but it was better before they changed the game to never make it past turn 8. It's less skill and more draw rng now. Which was already a hs problem, now made worse.
I used to write Hearthstone articles to the biggest HS site in Brazil, when I rated Caverns Below a full 5 out 5 stars, the community made fun until the set was released. I told them, that card is broken and it was. Fantastic card, fantastic design, but I would have fixed that card by only giving the creatures a buff and not permanently letting them be 5/5 or 4/4. Nice video!
I will not forget the day Caverns below came out and watching HSdogdog's stream playing quest Rogue. Everyone thought the deck was a meme especially Dog. Although he kept winning almost all his matches he kept downplaying the deck probably due to disbelief that the deck everyone thought was terrible might just be the best deck.
@@mrchundo I still play hearthstone after 8 years so I really don't mind looking back and see what's changed or check some nostalgic stuff. Your move is okay :D Well made video, surely not what I've expected from the subs count. :D
maybe im just a scumbag but this was my favorite card of all time. just super fun to play around with all of rogues unique bounces, and the reward was... obviously well worth it lol. I think it is important to note though that as much as people remember this era of hearthstone for certain aggro decks, there were some pretty brutal control metas with some of the most AGONIZING control decks to ever play against. Raza priest, Cubelock, and like any slow Druid deck from the time.... no matter how much people hated quest rogue, it truly was a necessary evil. Great video once again mate.
its a very unique playstyle that was invented in classic yet has continued to become relevant again and again, even having to get nerfed once blizzard decided to actually push it as an archetype. admittedly im biased af cuz its a personal fav but felt like throwing out an idea. fr tho any video of this quality will be very well received by me and others and I will be looking forward to whatever u got in store
This was a bit of a walk down memory lane. I first started taking hearthstone seriously around ungoro, and stopped playing around the release of rise of shadows. So to me, this was the meta I knew and played and have memories of. Super cool video 😁
Great video. You have a good voice and you keep it very straight forward without throwing in all this unnecessary editing or humor. I don't play hs anymore but the history of metas I didn't get to see is really interesting. Hilarious that I did play during witchwood and boomsday but I was so low rank that I never even saw quest rogue lol.
It's always so *insane* to see videos from Kibler just 5 years ago when he looks 27, and now he literally looks like he is a 75 year old scholar in ancient Sumerian
that’s just what happens when you play United in Stormwind
WTF HAPPENED TO HIM HE AGED LIKE MILK
@@sdobitoo Hes like 50 bro aha.
@@acksawblack 43
@@sdobitoo hes no longer a young buck, divorced wife + dog died.
Caverns Below also got a third nerf in Standard, although only an under-the-hood one. The aura of Crystal Core used to overwrite Sonya Shadowdancer's effect, so she would add 4/4s to your hand instead of 1/1s. I think that happened very shortly before rotation. I only remember it because I absolutely hated that deck and was over the moon to see it hit again.
Oh yeah I remember seeing something about that. I remember a lot of people were mad and wanted a refund on Sonya and/or Caverns Below
One must wonder whether the designers of the card looked upon it with pride as it stayed relevant despite the gimping or as an abomination for no matter how many times they tried to decimate the thing it crawled back from the pit (sometimes with some atrocious grafts to compensate) committing absurdities and outright upsets for multiple expansions.
I feel like they wouldn’t have minded if it was good for just a couple expansions. I think once it got to Boomaday and then Rastakhan’s, they started looking at it more like the invincible creature you’re talking about
don't play HS anymore but still love these retrospectives.
good doggo
: )
Your personality makes these videos worth watching. Have you thought about diverging into other topics? High or low brow doesn't matter
Wow that’s very nice. I’ve definitely thought about it. I played Cartoon Network Soccer the other week and that was a nice change of pace
I remember pretty much all these major shifts in the meta. Really good video, and nice to hear about the tournament side of things too during the time
Thanks!
Honey, new Chundo video just dropped.
Special occasion
There was one more nerf to the deck after it rotated out of standard. Blizzard changed now the aura works and now you can silence the minions to remove the effect.
Oh wow I didn’t know about the silence change. Thanks for the tip
I remember me and my buddies opening our packs in chemistry class and my one friend losing his first 4-5 games all to that deck. I‘ll never forget his look as he got absolutely demolished trying to play Taunt Warrior. What a time, so many great memories from back then.
This video popped out of nowhere for me, but I really enjoyed this idea of “history of a card/archetype”. Keep it up!
Gotchu
I love how this is a 20 minute video about the performance of a questline deck,
but the few seconds where patches getting nerfed is mentioned is the most replayed section
This card was bonkers. I remember joining a regional tournament for lulz during ungoro days and was the only one who brought a caverns deck. Ended up getting top seed the first day and finishing 1st runner up on the last day.
Hot take: One of my favorite cards in hearthstone. Super different way to play the game and honestly really fun to play. A lot of people like to criticize the design but the issue with the caverns below was always one of power. Decks that punish control decks are completely fine, see the rise of shadows meta where warrior would lose to absolute meme garbage. The issue is when those decks don’t get punished by aggro, either cuz the deck is too strong or the meta’s too slow. I always hated fighting control decks so it was perfect for me. And playing quest rogue vs aggro is so engaging. Figuring out exactly how greedy you can play to survive without using too many resources to stabilize afterwards was one of the most fun and rewarding skills to develop. 10/10 card, just slightly imbalanced.
I actually watched your previous video couple of weeks ago and couldn’t finish it. Will watch the other ones but this is just perfect. You have great potential. I saw similar videos regarding yu-gi-oh and magic but never anything like this about hs. I could literally watch another hour of this and I wouldn’t been bored. I want more!)
love your videos, make me feel all the nostalgia again!
Glad I could make you feel that way!
I noticed they unnerfed the Quest and started playing it in Wild again. It's a new set of cards now that you use but I won 10 in a row and 14/15 games so far. It seems even more busted than before and you can complete the Quest by Turn 5 almost every game.
Yeah Bloodsail Flybooter really helps the deck
The deck is now underrated in wild, with my buddy we've been hitting diamond 5 regularly with our own Renathal version of the deck, it's still a blast to play and surprisingly not that op against some of the strongest combos you can now see in wild
Please make more videos like this! It's really joyful watching these hearthstone history videos. I'm gonna sub for more videos like this! Also, history video idea: Grim Patreon (EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!!)
Thanks, ill try
Great historical video you made here.
I started playing during boomsday and don't even get me started on "HELLO HELLO"
feels weird watching a video about the history of a game from the time I've played the game. being old sure is an experience
I would love to see a history of priest before the times of Big, Resurrect and such. Dragon Priest (with Drakonid Enforcer, my beloved), Kazakus, those were some really fun decks that I feel the new priest decks just cant come close to (except if Harvester of Envy decks actually worked). Probably a way too wide scope, but Dragon Priest itself would be really nice to see something about again.
Journey to Ungoro is what got me into WoW, maybe I’m still a 5 year old but I like dinosaurs.
This is a really good video would love to see more videos in this style
Thanks!
Hey chundo love the videos , the history of the longevity of this deck reminds me of the current state of big spell mage
Thanks! Big spell mage is interesting with how long people were joking about it with arcane brilliance not having an 8 mana target in Standard but yeah, Balinda is really good
this is literally the video I was searching for to the dot thanks
@Chundo cubelock was actually a hard counter to quest rogue after it went from 5/5 to 4/4, because quest rogue had no answer for the death knight summoning a bunch of doomguards.
Trump was writing a novel at 3:35? The game just started lmao
I vaguely remember that at one point something got changed so that the minions Sonya gave you were 1/1s even if you had Crystal Core active
chundo proving that he is the best hearthstone content creator alive every video
too kind : )
Great video. Maybe next we can go to Patron Warrior or some other abomination like even and odd decks. Heck, maybe some variant of Warlock, such as cubelock or handlock or even zoolock. I love remembering what was imo the golden age of hearthstone (year of the mammoth and earlier) and I would be here for the ride whenever you made this types of video. It was super well made :D
A really cool video! Goes through the history of the card and meta with all the relevant info along with it.
1:23 It's crazy, but if you count cards nerfed because of Caverns Below, it was actually nerfed FOUR times.
Cool video! Would be nice to close it with some thoughts on the current state of the deck in wild as well
Definitely! Noted!
Great video. Actually can't wait for more
Glad you enjoyed!
these videos are amazing! so glad i found you
Glad you like them!
This kind of HS content is so good
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this bowl of minestrone? A STAPLE
Bowl of Minestrone Paladin won Worlds 3 years in a row, never forget
The legend uploads again
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@@mrchundo mic upgraded? Love the content dude!
Something to note, Bloodyface no longer goes by the name. Her name is Luna.
My bad - I was just reading off some old tournament reports. Thanks for the correction
I will never forgive blizz for nerfing preparation. This and innervate
BTW, I love the outro music, it fits really well for some reason. What song is it?
It’s actually in the UA-cam audio library - Metaheuristic by Freedom Trail Studio
Great video, although your voice gets lost behind the music at points
Thanks - audio mixing is definitely something I need to work on
Love this type of content
I enjoy the William Wegman icon
Another great video, I love these
Glad you do!
I remember these reviews....and than it went on to terrorize the game
Year of the Mammoth was so good actually
This was the cheapest deck to make and it was really good and damn do I miss those days
great vid
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i don't remember any even pally lists. "1 mana 1/1's"? odd pally was huge, but am i missing something? was there a mini meta where even pally actually existed?
it apeared for a good month at the start of witchwood, it wasnt opressive or anything. Just interesting enough to be played
Even pally was the best deck in the game more than once
The annoying side of quest rogue that off meta decks that tend to be B or C tiers quickly become F tier because rogue quest existence. And there were alot of them in unrank and ladders.
big priest next?
Lot of stuff on the docket but big priest could be interesting
Good ol times
loved the video
I know HS is kind of a dying game, but the history and personalities are really the best part. I barely play now, but I still love the game. Who knew video essays on HS could be so good. Keep up the good work man.
I feel so much regret for not coming back to this game during these expansions as how the game is now I hate it with how strong cards are and I have yet to try out classic but I doubt it's any good. I disenchanted a lot of my old cards on my old account and started from a fresh one because it didn't give my old account the offer for free cards even tho I hadn't played in several years. Really just a lot of shitty feelings over this game.
nice vids
really nice video! the deck is absolutly op, it always been...personally i hate it
trump hilariously incorrect about a cards strength? very surprised personally
players are wrong about things, no matter how "good" they are - more news at 11.
Proof that most youtubers are just entertainers and have no idea what they're talking about
hs in 2023? i forgot i have account there
edit. nvm i guess hs is still going
I have very fond memories of giggling inventor meta, because every deck could run it while mossy horror and blood night existed it was a huge equalizer that removed a lot of non games jank decks can have versus agro while still having counterplay as to not push out agro entirely or force a traditional higher-value clear from control
Wild Quest rogue after it got underfed up until March of the lich king it had a really nice spot in the meta where it was rare played by people who love the deck just barely pushing into viable definitely a lot less annoying to see it so rarely for those who don't like it and a nice blast from the past for someone like me sadly discard warlock hyper efficient agro, and Quest mage pillager rogue really hurt the format by keeping Maverick decks like Quest rouge utterly unplayable, in a theoretical mathematical way the format is currently balanced but people myself included do not like the current meta as it resembles rock-paper-scissors a lot more than at deck building game and meta decks routinely have play experiences that are unsatisfying non games Even if you run meta decks this is especially sad considering how amazing renathol was for the format and how and unnerfed or early rotated renathal would fix a lot of people's problems even if the meta would likely still be a bit too oppressive, the whiplash coming off of nathria to this is rather extreme
Yeah it had a fascinating effect on the meta. And to your other comment - I was thinking about covering Quest Rogue in wild because there have been a bunch of cards released that were perfect for it, but that video probably would have been about 40 minutes long
@@mrchundo yeah hundred percent understandable, and yeah it's cool to see ram commander outside of arena and the like
I miss the days when there was diversity in the game. There is no true control archetype. They actively removed fatigue as a mechanic. There are no value battles. It's hyper aggro or otk combos. Now i like otks, but they don't require any setup these days. They just print crazu cards that just make it happen if drawn in sequence. I don't hate the game now, but it was better before they changed the game to never make it past turn 8. It's less skill and more draw rng now. Which was already a hs problem, now made worse.
Yeah it all happened so suddenly. Late Darkmoon Faire + Barrens formats were like a completely different game
Yes, they thought nerfing the reward too 4/4 was enough. That was already after months and months of facehunters. Christ I hate blizzard.
1 star 😂
I used to write Hearthstone articles to the biggest HS site in Brazil, when I rated Caverns Below a full 5 out 5 stars, the community made fun until the set was released. I told them, that card is broken and it was. Fantastic card, fantastic design, but I would have fixed that card by only giving the creatures a buff and not permanently letting them be 5/5 or 4/4. Nice video!
That’s a great story - you sure showed them!
Please keep doing these types of videos. I love seeing old cards that I missed out on and how good/bad they were.
Gotcha!
I will not forget the day Caverns below came out and watching HSdogdog's stream playing quest Rogue. Everyone thought the deck was a meme especially Dog. Although he kept winning almost all his matches he kept downplaying the deck probably due to disbelief that the deck everyone thought was terrible might just be the best deck.
Incredible format, we've been waiting 10 years for this - please keep this series up!
Great video as always. These retrospectives always give me the feeling that Hearthstone is long past its prime, or maybe that's just the nostalgia.
Yeah - starting a hearthstone channel in 2022 was definitely an interesting move by me
@@mrchundo I still play hearthstone after 8 years so I really don't mind looking back and see what's changed or check some nostalgic stuff. Your move is okay :D
Well made video, surely not what I've expected from the subs count. :D
+20 minute video about this and barely gliding over the elephant in the room STILL breaking today's meta
S H A D O W S T E P
I thought Garrote Rogue would finally get it nerfed. Boy was I wrong
They should have rotated it when Core was first released tbh
Woooo new chundo.
Also damn... regis looking young... what the hell
His voice sounded so different too
Amazing Video! As someone who is relatively new to hearthstone seeing these old decks are really cool. plz do more
Sure thing!
maybe im just a scumbag but this was my favorite card of all time. just super fun to play around with all of rogues unique bounces, and the reward was... obviously well worth it lol. I think it is important to note though that as much as people remember this era of hearthstone for certain aggro decks, there were some pretty brutal control metas with some of the most AGONIZING control decks to ever play against. Raza priest, Cubelock, and like any slow Druid deck from the time.... no matter how much people hated quest rogue, it truly was a necessary evil. Great video once again mate.
Thanks! And I always thought the deck was cool too because it allowed all these weak, tiny cards see more play
@@mrchundo not sure how open to suggestions u are but a vid on miracle rogue would be sick ^^
its a very unique playstyle that was invented in classic yet has continued to become relevant again and again, even having to get nerfed once blizzard decided to actually push it as an archetype. admittedly im biased af cuz its a personal fav but felt like throwing out an idea. fr tho any video of this quality will be very well received by me and others and I will be looking forward to whatever u got in store
Babe wake up new chundo video just released
I’ve seen several babes getting woken up because of this
This was a bit of a walk down memory lane. I first started taking hearthstone seriously around ungoro, and stopped playing around the release of rise of shadows. So to me, this was the meta I knew and played and have memories of. Super cool video 😁
Really this is just more evidence that Shadowstep was a mistake all along
It's in standard right now and it doesn't see much play
Sup chun, keep ‘em coming bro.
Sup Count Dumpula, I’ll try
12:09 bruh that meme fits so well I love it
Yeah I’m a big fan
Unbelievably good video. Please please please 🙏 do more of these over different decks. So good.
Glad you like it! I’ll try
oh yea, another rare chundo upload
I was gonna say “I’ll make them faster in the future!” but I hate lying
Great video. You have a good voice and you keep it very straight forward without throwing in all this unnecessary editing or humor. I don't play hs anymore but the history of metas I didn't get to see is really interesting. Hilarious that I did play during witchwood and boomsday but I was so low rank that I never even saw quest rogue lol.
Thanks, glad you liked it. Yeah learning about these old meta is always pretty interesting
and people somehow still defend ungoro as one of the best expansions. boggles my mind
Giggling inventor the first colossal minion and one of the best
I really liked this video ! A well deserved sub.
Haven't seen your other videos yet but I hop to see more of this style !
Awesome, thank you!
quest mech rogue real????? (probably not)
Nightmare fuel playing against quest rogue
dude this is such an improvement from ur galakrond shaman video awesome job!
Thanks! I try
You got some good content man. Keep it up :)
This video so good wth
im ready for a miracle
Excellent format, very easy watch!
Much appreciated!
quality video
When the new chundo hits ⛅💯💯💯
😎😎😎
Amazing video! I would love to see more of these. Super interesting and perfectly narrated. Good job!
Fantastic video! Is that a new mic I hear? 😁
Thanks! It’s the same mic as all my videos (except the last one) but I played around with some Audacity effects
@@mrchundo sounded great imo!
This format feels like summoning salt meets hearthstone and I love it
Do you know Reverend? His videos have a similar vibe to this one