Quick note: SMT Imagine is still around as a fan private server run by the community. It goes by the name "ReImagine" if you're curious and didn't knew.
@@music79075 it's... A thing of its own, tbh. It is fun once you get the hang of it, but it's a clunky early 2010's mmorpg. It's kind of a link between SMT 1 and 2 iirc, with its own storyline, dungeons and everything, also you can fuse your demons at the church and everything. The hard part, for me, is to not get lost following the quests that aren't really marked on your map, you have to read them carefully unlike other MMOs. Can't really say much, never got past the first dungeon but it's surely something different.
@@music79075 It has some interesting mechanics and character development system but gameplay is really bad. I wish we had something like this but with better graphics (even compared to Nocturne Imagine isn't that good) and completely reimagined gameplay on better engine. I hope if SMTV goes strong enough we may get another SMT MMO out there.
@@ShubhamBH22 If they got remastered and or ported and were more readily available. I would love to play them, But im not gonna go out of my way to otherwise.
@@zerogyoro4521 ...... Its why they want a remake? Also there were older games that were remade and some of them were even more Niche than Persona like Metroid. Also they don't really need to make it like the newer Persona games since the reason P1 and 2 are loved is because of how different they play from the later games
The thing about "Raidou's cultural sensitivity" is that he's from imperial Japan. Korea, who had spent some time under Japanese rule, does not like things related to imperial Japan. In fact, Atlus also changed Ryuji's shoes in the Korean version of Persona 5 because they had the rising sun symbol on them.
The taisho era clothing which is in fact just his school uniform with a bandolier for the demon summoning tubes and pistol, and the katana are reminiscent of the parade uniforms worn by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.
Freikugel is not a mistranslation. It's based on old german folklore. There's many versions of it, but the gist is that through some satanic ritual (casting a bullet with human blood, iron and other magical ingredients on an unholy night, or shooting a cross, thus commiting blasphemy for example) a person could obtain a 'Freikugel' (german: 'frei' outdated meaning in this context - blessed/protected (by Satan). 'Kugel' - bullet), which was said to always hit its mark, even through long distances, night, fog or corners thanks to the devil's hand.
21:44 Nyarlathotep has many forms in the lovecraftian books that refer him. One of those forms is that of a black pharoah. Pretty sure the scrapped design was more leaning to lovecrafts first story featuring Nyarlathotep called the Black pharoah for inspiration.
Btw nameless and belladonna are actually technically still in the velvet room. The velvet room theme is actually an example of diagenic music, the characters hear it too! They're still the ones playing the theme, all these entries later. Because the velvet room changes for each user though, they aren't always shown.
The Raidou censorship has to do the with the Japanese imperial era in which Japan occupied a lot of southeastern asian countries, Raidou's uniform looks similar to the japanese imperial uniform. That's why the old Japanese flag is banned in alot of countries.
It's not just Southeast Asia, Korea, Taiwan and some parts of China as well. I don't know about the other Southeast Asian countries but here in the Philippines, the Rising Sun flag is not banned.
actually onle korea against it. even china doesn't care. talking of war ear, japanese blade, gun, uniform are all everywhere and no one cares. sakura wars are Taisho era, and no one cares. it's not rea great game tho...
Japanese might have done many very bad things but that doesn't have anything to do with Raidou. Raidou doesn't wear army's uniform (it's school uniform called gakuran), the army isn't viewed positively (in fact they are the vilain of the first game), and Raidou tries to stop their agenda too. the ones calling for censorship are most likely the ones who never plays the game and they want to do it because they are scared of wrong clothes
Holy crap, someone made an SMT1 remake in rpg maker? With extra characters, story, and endings? That's so cool! I'll need to hunt it down just to see how they did the dungeon crawling XD
I don't think putting genitals or breasts on some demons is just because Kaneko wants to but it does make sense since a lot of demons in real life lore are described to have their junk (or junks) hanging out.
Not saying I support it but, I actually like the theory that Teddie is Nanako's shadow. It actually fits really well and I would even believe it if Teddie wasn't such a horndog.
From what I heard Teddie being a little perv is a bit of a mistranslation, he's supposed to be like a child who doesn't know any better that repeats whatever he hears so it could still make sense if he was Nanako's shadow
This was a fantastic video. I've been a fan since 2004 but I learned so much here. Well done, sir, I've subbed. I hope Metatron influences the algorithm to bring more here.
This video didn't feel like 46mins, I thoroughly enjoyed this also really fun to find other niche games under Megaten, that Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushiroku looked insane (and I kinda wanna play it), also interested in that "Making of Nocturne vid" keep up the great work I know getting those sources must not have been easy.
My fav part about this video is how Kazuma Kaneko's Devil Trigger Art for Vergil stayed for the entire series. He pretty much defined and decided what Vergil's Devil Trigger would look like permanently.
Too bad Dantes changed radically. Dantes 3 DT is actually sick. I also hate that they got rid of the feature that Devil Triggers changed per what weapon you have equipped.
@@darksquigglyboy that incidentally fits the DMC story pretty well. The duality of Vergil and Dante is that one is obsessed with power, yet never grows and the other doesn't care about power at all and yet is constantly improving.
I had to start doing homework in the middle of this last night, stopped, saw this in my recommendations again and kicked myself for forgetting to finish this video. Watching it now :) Edit: It was so worth it
@@papapalps2415 And it brings up terrible memories? 'Hey, remember when Grandpa was flayed alive by Imperial Japan?' Yeah. change the fucking outfit or whatever.
Now that TTRPGs are having a massive resurgence with the popularity of D&D 5e, I would love to see a new SMT TTRPG that actually receives an English translation.
I love how Nocturnes lyrics are sung by the first voice in the list on the text to speech program, like whoever was choosing the samples just say the first one and was like “perfect”
Fun addition to 'Freikugel': SMT 5 still uses Freikugel's name. In fact, something interesting to note about it... While Riot Gun, the original ability, uses Gun Damage... Freikugel deals Almighty, making it an objectively better version of Riot Gun.
Thanks for this video learned a lot that I didn't know. For example SMT 3 lyrics being sung by a computer or how SMT IF was connected to Persona through Tamaki. Also seeing the unused Mickey and Donald sprites was surprising I would have loved to see them in game, but I understand why that couldn't happen. The Mouse is just too powerful.
Wow, this video needs more views. This is something that can still be debunked, but might as well throw in that it's theorized that SMT V is a follow up story to Nocturne in which the Lucifer you see in the trailer is the exact same from Nocturne and the God being dead plot is the result of the war Demi-fiend lead.
I would love that but I think the only problem with that theory is that we kinda destroyed the world and the cycle of rebirth in TDE but the writers could easily come up with a reason for that. There was also that one weird video where in a campaign promoting SMT V (the one where the samurai dude guesses demons) they play Nocturne for no reason. They even had a bit where the samurai guy was confused. It could've just been them trying to promote Nocturne remastered but it was still kinda random and weird. Wonder if this has anything to do with that.
Regarding Freikugel: The translators might have taken inspiration from the German folklore "Freischütz": To summarize, a hunter bargains with the devil for a handful of bullets that will never miss their target, except for the last one for which the devil himself designates a target. I won't spoil the entire plot of the story, but you can imagine it ends like most "deal with the devil" stories. BTW, Freikugel literally means free bullet, in the sense that "the shot is basically a free (or guaranteed) bulls-eye". Considering the subject matter, I do think that the allusion is very apt, even if that wasn't the exact reason they used it. As to why it was renamed? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe somebody thought a western audience would have problems with the pronunciation, wouldn't be the first time Atlus thought we were too stupid for their games xD
I've read somewhere that they originally translated it as Riot Gun from the original japanese translation but there was already a spell named Riot gun making have to use Freikugel instead Basically the japanese version had a different name for Riot Gun but the translation team named it Riot Gun for the english version, but Freikugel's japanese name was literally Riot Gun forcing them to use Freikugel instead because they wanted Demi to have a unique name for his signature skills
@@mori2037 There are also multiple endings to that tale if I recall correctly. Or at least there is one modern adaptation which ends... Better? Worse? Debatable.
I looked online for a while, and even reading the Wikipedia summary, it's not quite clear to me who the 7th bullet is meant for. It's either himself or the girl he was marrying, right? Percy De Rolo played by Taliesin Jaffe in Critical Role Campaign 1 had a cool take on this story. Without the contextual background, simply put one of the characters, Percy De Rolo, had a cursed pistol (created through the influence of a demon, Orthax) that had 5 names on its barrel, with the 6th left blank. This was effectively a revenge contract, but Orthax implied that there was in fact a 6th name that would appear, implying that it wasn't JUST a revenge contract (each of the 5 people on the list were people Percy was potentially planning to kill anyway as revenge for backstory events). For a long time, it was assumed that the 6th name would be Percy himself, but towards the end of the campaign the 6th name shows up and is revealed to be Cassandra, Percy's younger sister, implying that it was the start of a new contract it was a never ending cycle of murder.
Amazing video, I’ve been playing SMT for around 11 years and never knew about most of these. Thank you for informing me! I’ll definitely be checking out your videos from now on
@@MacenW My copy of SMT V hasn't arrived yet but I've played every main persona game and some of the spin offs. They're great games, my favorite probably being Persona 3 or 4.
Awesome list. One Easter egg you could of added; in kyuuyaku megami tensei (mt1/2 sfc remakes) if you spin around 31 turns outside a treasure chest room then enter it, Jack frost Jr. will appear and give you xp and macca. You can find his mama and papa too
Interestingly there's some hints that he's not actually the top dog, that he has a boss of sorts and exists more as a high level officer or managerial role. That still doesn't mean he can't demand to be called the sole deity by us mere mortals I guess.
@@Reddotzebra JHVH is in fact an AI designed to size control over system. In first SMT we in fact can encounter Security AI what has similar design to big yellow head. We also encounter two similar systems in forms of Kagutsuchi from SMT III and Brahman from Digital Devil Saga. Later in SMT IVA we learn about Axium who is implied to be more natural form of shared consciousness. My guess is that it may be in fact related to Aion from Soul Hackers II. BTW: with SMT V and Soul Hacker II i think we have definitive confirmation that series in fact take place in the future, with today being a construct (excluding Soul Hacker and SMT prologue).
@@depshallburn If you talk about Judeo-Christian theology, detail people miss is that God the Father is not the actual God. Trinity are avatars of the God... or well of one of Eight Avatars of God known as Ophanim (Throne) according to Kabbala (called Seraphim in Christianity). Specifically they are Metatron (King of Angels/Voice of God/God the Father), Raziel (God the Son/Christ/Morningstar) and Sandelphon (King of Sheol/Abaddon/Holly Spirit).
@@TheRezro*Judeo-"Christian"* But, if we're talking of original Christianity, or "early Christianity"- then God, The Father is the one true God and YHWH/YHVH is the false god imposter, "the Devil". This is most accurate to the Canon Gospels (New Testament) and the Lost Gospels (Nag Hammadi Texts), especially before the Torah (Old Testament) was deliberately and retroactively linked to the New Testament as two parts to the same whole, rather than the simple study resource the Torah was supposed to be. All leading to the bizarre conflictons between narratives of the two parts of the modern Bible. Tl;dr SMT draws from this with the main antagonist of the series being this Demiurge entity in the form of the Hebrew god, YHWH/Yaldabaoth/Yahweh.
This was pretty good stuff. I knew some of the more superficial stuff; but man. I wanna see that Windows 99 game translated. Good one dood. Have a sub.
The SMT TTRPG novels are really cool historically. They were campaign logs from people who played it at the time, there's a lot of these published for different games in the same age. You could say it's like how we watch twitch stream campaigns nowadays
hifumi wasn't planned to be a phantom thief, there was supposed to be another strategist like Makoto, but everything about her was transferred to Makoto and they used the design of that scrapped character for hifumi when making confidants
The fiend theme being a remix of something found in IF is really cool, because IF basically had a blueprint for the Demifiend in it's seccondary campaign, where you and your secondary party member go somewhere completely diferent to the other two options. Likewise, your seccond party member becomes a half-demon, who slowly turns more demonic the firther along you progress, iirc
7:01 idk if someone’s already said this but Hifumi as we know her now wasn’t going to be a phantom thief. It was a concept design for a phantom thief character and that design was eventually reused for a confidant.
Actually, with that bit you mention about Jun, Persona 3 Portable have also finally done it, but it was kinda forced, yet for some reason, still labeled as a friendship route, but it's very obvious when you see it, which is Aigis in the female route in Portable. You can tell that she still has romantic feelings for the protagonist, even with the gender change, this is evident in the fact that even in the female route, the Social Link barely even changed from how it was in the male route. Also, the bit about the rescuing people trapped in Tartarus in P3P, that is actually one of my favorite additions added to Portable since it gives you more of a reason to go into Tartarus more and it helps me plan out my Tartarus trips, since whenever I play it, one of the big goals I set up for the playthrough is to rescue every single person. Plus, I like to think of the bit about Maiko being trapped in Tartarus as a callback to one part in the story of Persona 4, much like the other P4 callbacks P3P makes. Also, to correct you on the Hanchiko part, Koromaru is actually fully aware that his master had died as it was shown in his Social Link in the female route in Portable where despite the owner's death, he's still willing to do anything for his master, even protecting the shrine from anything that will harm it, one woman mentions that his owner had died after being hit by a car while he was taking Koromaru for a walk, but in one conversation that Akihiko has with Shinjiro, he brings up that Koromaru's master was actually killed by the shadows. This made me think that Koromaru's master was actually killed by the shadows, but people reported it as him being hit by a car, as this sorta false reporting thing is a thing in Persona 3 as this happened with Ken's mother where it's reported that she died in an accident, but was actually killed by Shinjiro's Persona, also Mitsuru's father too where they claim he died from illness, but was actually shot by Ikutski. I would not be suprised if it's the same thing with Koromaru's master.
I forget the details but I remember reading the reason Raidou was cut from the Chinese and Korean versions was cuz his uniform was very popular at the time that the Raidou games take place, and during those times Japan was at war with China or Korea. take it with a grain of salt I have a terrible memory.
@@sock312 if we wanted to make up an excuse, maybe we could say it's similar to when the shadows separate from their host in p4, but instead of attacking or going crazy they just become their own entities that developed their own shadows?????
also wanna point out how matador 4:07 is infamous for basically killing your team in one turn cuz of his buff cuz he can essentially use magarula 4 times and just ultimate team wipe
1:50 You're kidding, right? 10 years ago I had pretty much the same idea for a book (Too bad I'm bad at telling stories). Sometimes it's insane which specific thoughts somebody else already thought. My idea included scanning figures of superheroes, which would then come to life, but overall they were detrimental to the world and the people (Similar to Superman versus Batman from what arrived later). So the protagonist which created them sets out to destroy them.
Just so you know, people are trying to translate the tabletop books, and I’m kind of the gopher here in Japan who is occasionally asked to try and find books for the two translators I know. Be aware, the “novels” are replays of campaigns that groups ran; replays are basically a popular way of retelling finished campaigns as proper novels and such in Japan. A great example of popular a replay can become is Record of Lodoss War, which was based on a replay of the writers’ d&d campaign.
Ah yes, the original Persona translation. Honestly, looking back at it is hilarious, and I can only imagine what the series would be if translations continued down that path
The last one is my fav. Some crazy guys managed to make 3D first person dungeons in the past editions of the RPGMaker engines but they weren't designed for 3D graphics in mind so it was extremely hard to do it, even with the use of RGSS Scripts, special plug&play codes that can be copypasted into your project to customize and expand what the engine can do. So a MegaTen game built into the RPGM-VX engine is awesome. The most recent versions tho, RPGMaker MV and MZ are coded in Javascript, which allows more advanced customization with javascript Plugins, which are the MV/Z equivalent of Scripts. And guess what? Someone made a 3D plugin! For both MV and MZ! This means that Shin Megami Tensei fangames, clones and fan-remakes are much easier to build now!
I'm pretty sure that "Freykugel" is a reference to german theater piece about a guy who possess 7 bullets that would never missed and he would fire 6 of them while the 7th would be fired by the devil
I would put demons leveling up to "Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis" that predates "Giten..." with about two years. Mind you it's still called "Rank" there but trust me it works almost exactly like leveling.
Extremely minor gameplay spoilers for smt v: demons that are of the fiend race can learn a Magatsuhi skill called Freikugel, which is probably an homage to the Demi-fiend.
@@YuriTCC maybe the majin tensei footage you showed in the end for example or the VHS movie footage, since UA-cam is really sensitive about this kind of stuff.
@@HunterGuy953 I assume you meant Giten, well I figured that was fine since it doesn't exactly show anything clearly, and the video I got that footage from had been up for about 7 years so I figured it would be fine. The VHS stuff I'd say is old enough that no one really cares to enforce anything.
Lol, I’m glad Trinity Soul is not canon. That’s affirmed by the P3 cast still being able to use their Personas well into adulthood and Zenkichi just awakening to his in his 30-40s in P5 Strikers. It just seems dumb that you do all this growing in high school, but you get out of school and that’s enough for your strength of heart to dissolve? Come on, man xD
also a quick note: Dx2 once also have a collab with Devil May Cry so Dante has appeared in two Megaten games now (three if you count Nocturne remaster)
39:09 damn, what the fuck is this Just read the synopsis. Turns out the mutilation was part of the main plot. And the main quest was to retrieve said limbs. Think of it as Kizumonogatari to put it simply in this era
Apparently the real line from Nocturne's Forced Battle (which was incorrectly translated to Fierce Battle) isn't supposed to be One More God Rejected as most of the lyrics of the song are taken from the Bible, specifically Revelations and it's supposed to be "War broke out in Heaven" in reference to Lucifer and the Fallen Angels rebelling aganist God and being cast from Heaven. The 4th Snake recently just made a video about it. ua-cam.com/video/blpLwpqKlzw/v-deo.html
13:57 just sums up GameTheory in total lol. Idk when it happened but he changed from actually looking at it b science of stuff to the nothing nonsense he does now. Anyways. Fun video, I knew a lot of this but I definitely learned some too!
Quick note: SMT Imagine is still around as a fan private server run by the community. It goes by the name "ReImagine" if you're curious and didn't knew.
is it fun?
what do you do?
@@music79075 it's... A thing of its own, tbh. It is fun once you get the hang of it, but it's a clunky early 2010's mmorpg. It's kind of a link between SMT 1 and 2 iirc, with its own storyline, dungeons and everything, also you can fuse your demons at the church and everything. The hard part, for me, is to not get lost following the quests that aren't really marked on your map, you have to read them carefully unlike other MMOs. Can't really say much, never got past the first dungeon but it's surely something different.
@@music79075 It has some interesting mechanics and character development system but gameplay is really bad. I wish we had something like this but with better graphics (even compared to Nocturne Imagine isn't that good) and completely reimagined gameplay on better engine. I hope if SMTV goes strong enough we may get another SMT MMO out there.
Hhqht and you were to be there spm
gameplay sucks, dont play it
“GladOkumuraGotShot” IS SUCH A FUNNY USERNAME LMFAO
Broke: SMT IF is a Persona game because Tamaki is in P1 & 2
Woke: Persona 1 & 2 are SMT games because Tamaki is in them
@Junpei Persona Is the same franchise of SMT. Persona Is a Spin Off.
That would explain why the persona fans haven't played 1 and 2 lmao
@@ShubhamBH22 If they got remastered and or ported and were more readily available. I would love to play them, But im not gonna go out of my way to otherwise.
@@ShubhamBH22 It's too old.
@@zerogyoro4521 ...... Its why they want a remake?
Also there were older games that were remade and some of them were even more Niche than Persona like Metroid. Also they don't really need to make it like the newer Persona games since the reason P1 and 2 are loved is because of how different they play from the later games
The thing about "Raidou's cultural sensitivity" is that he's from imperial Japan. Korea, who had spent some time under Japanese rule, does not like things related to imperial Japan. In fact, Atlus also changed Ryuji's shoes in the Korean version of Persona 5 because they had the rising sun symbol on them.
Yeah I expected it was something like that...
The taisho era clothing which is in fact just his school uniform with a bandolier for the demon summoning tubes and pistol, and the katana are reminiscent of the parade uniforms worn by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.
What a bunch of babies. Glass-hearts, smh.
@@combativeThinker that's bait right
@@combativeThinker you can always count on weebs to defend japanese war crimes
Freikugel is not a mistranslation. It's based on old german folklore. There's many versions of it, but the gist is that through some satanic ritual (casting a bullet with human blood, iron and other magical ingredients on an unholy night, or shooting a cross, thus commiting blasphemy for example) a person could obtain a 'Freikugel' (german: 'frei' outdated meaning in this context - blessed/protected (by Satan). 'Kugel' - bullet), which was said to always hit its mark, even through long distances, night, fog or corners thanks to the devil's hand.
A bullet that will never miss, or a "Free hit", thus: "Free Bullet".
That gives the "Frei" abilities in P5 a bit of a darker context lmao
That's so fucking metal
Wunderbar! 🇩🇪
21:44
Nyarlathotep has many forms in the lovecraftian books that refer him. One of those forms is that of a black pharoah.
Pretty sure the scrapped design was more leaning to lovecrafts first story featuring Nyarlathotep called the Black pharoah for inspiration.
Btw nameless and belladonna are actually technically still in the velvet room. The velvet room theme is actually an example of diagenic music, the characters hear it too! They're still the ones playing the theme, all these entries later. Because the velvet room changes for each user though, they aren't always shown.
copium
Keep writing their lore for them
So if Yu Narukami turn his head back he will see a singer ,a pianists and his piano shoved down in a limousine somehow???
@@gyga100My personal theory is they’re the ones driving the car
17:48 I love how this explanation literally doesnt work anymore because Strikers exists, where Zenkichi, a middle-aged man, has a Persona.
"one more god rejected"
had more deep now that I know it is song by a machine
A War broke out in heaven or Is it one more God rejected.. the SMT Mandela effect.
@@Young_Link_.0there’s a “J” sound.
The Raidou censorship has to do the with the Japanese imperial era in which Japan occupied a lot of southeastern asian countries, Raidou's uniform looks similar to the japanese imperial uniform. That's why the old Japanese flag is banned in alot of countries.
It's not just Southeast Asia, Korea, Taiwan and some parts of China as well. I don't know about the other Southeast Asian countries but here in the Philippines, the Rising Sun flag is not banned.
@@mrkvn223 It's only Korea and China.
The Meatball.
actually onle korea against it. even china doesn't care. talking of war ear, japanese blade, gun, uniform are all everywhere and no one cares. sakura wars are Taisho era, and no one cares. it's not rea great game tho...
Japanese might have done many very bad things but that doesn't have anything to do with Raidou. Raidou doesn't wear army's uniform (it's school uniform called gakuran), the army isn't viewed positively (in fact they are the vilain of the first game), and Raidou tries to stop their agenda too. the ones calling for censorship are most likely the ones who never plays the game and they want to do it because they are scared of wrong clothes
Holy crap, someone made an SMT1 remake in rpg maker? With extra characters, story, and endings? That's so cool! I'll need to hunt it down just to see how they did the dungeon crawling XD
@Dávid Walter I think they mean Shin Megami Tensei: The Reborn World. There's a thread about it on the rpgmaker forum.
I hope someone does something like that for the raidou games
@@jojogacha974 Why would anyone do that
@@chronica6457 idk are the raidou games good because if so then they should do it because the games were good
@@jojogacha974 The games are still good as they are though.
I don't think putting genitals or breasts on some demons is just because Kaneko wants to but it does make sense since a lot of demons in real life lore are described to have their junk (or junks) hanging out.
even cthulhu?
@@catsarecool9773 cthulhu especially
Even Mara?
@@christiandelcarmen1278 It's the God of lust. Obviously that's intended.
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 but isn't mara not described as female in some retellings?
I'm surprised, that there's not even a thousand views on such quality video, I'll share a link with some friends. You've done a great job!
wait, you're an SMT fan *and* you have friends? tell us all your secrets.
The joker being Katherine and vincent's son theory comes from a picture of both and their three sons, one of them looks like joker.
But Kathrine takes place in space, not on earth.
Then does this mean Joker is still Bayonetta’s son?
@@krimsonkatt ???????
Not saying I support it but, I actually like the theory that Teddie is Nanako's shadow. It actually fits really well and I would even believe it if Teddie wasn't such a horndog.
From what I heard Teddie being a little perv is a bit of a mistranslation, he's supposed to be like a child who doesn't know any better that repeats whatever he hears so it could still make sense if he was Nanako's shadow
Yeah but Teddy has a persona of his own so it doesn't make sense I don't think
@@bubalackgaming8892 nah he's a horndog in the japanese too.
*Sigmund Freud has entered the chat*
@@Zeeno isn't teddie canonically a shadow anyway tho?
Thought I was watching a 100k + views video and it's criminal there aren't that many. Great video, subbed :)
The Devil Summoner TV series is currently being translated. The first two episodes have been completed.
Finally, someone makes a lengthy enough iceberg video for SMT, I've been waiting this for so long
This was a fantastic video. I've been a fan since 2004 but I learned so much here. Well done, sir, I've subbed. I hope Metatron influences the algorithm to bring more here.
That's amazing. What was your first smt video?
@@MacenW My first game in the series? It was SMT3, with much help from the paperback guide, lol.
This video didn't feel like 46mins, I thoroughly enjoyed this also really fun to find other niche games under Megaten, that Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushiroku looked insane (and I kinda wanna play it), also interested in that "Making of Nocturne vid" keep up the great work I know getting those sources must not have been easy.
My fav part about this video is how Kazuma Kaneko's Devil Trigger Art for Vergil stayed for the entire series. He pretty much defined and decided what Vergil's Devil Trigger would look like permanently.
Too bad Dantes changed radically. Dantes 3 DT is actually sick. I also hate that they got rid of the feature that Devil Triggers changed per what weapon you have equipped.
@@darksquigglyboy that incidentally fits the DMC story pretty well. The duality of Vergil and Dante is that one is obsessed with power, yet never grows and the other doesn't care about power at all and yet is constantly improving.
I had to start doing homework in the middle of this last night, stopped, saw this in my recommendations again and kicked myself for forgetting to finish this video. Watching it now :)
Edit: It was so worth it
Truth
I think the historical sensitivity of Raidou is that he wears a Japanese captain outfit and is based from the 1930s
Which is awesome.
@@ZetsujiYuku yeah but Japan did some not cool things in that time period
Japan wasn't the cool kid back then
@@aleaiactaest6503 Okay...? And?
@@papapalps2415 And it brings up terrible memories? 'Hey, remember when Grandpa was flayed alive by Imperial Japan?' Yeah. change the fucking outfit or whatever.
Now that TTRPGs are having a massive resurgence with the popularity of D&D 5e, I would love to see a new SMT TTRPG that actually receives an English translation.
The deeper i look into the SMT series, The more niche stuff about said series that i'm curious about.
Especially Giten Megami Tensei.
You really did pick up an interesting one
Is... is that the "sex" one?
I love how Nocturnes lyrics are sung by the first voice in the list on the text to speech program, like whoever was choosing the samples just say the first one and was like “perfect”
Fun addition to 'Freikugel':
SMT 5 still uses Freikugel's name. In fact, something interesting to note about it... While Riot Gun, the original ability, uses Gun Damage... Freikugel deals Almighty, making it an objectively better version of Riot Gun.
Damn this was sick. I learned a lot about megaten
Thanks for this video learned a lot that I didn't know. For example SMT 3 lyrics being sung by a computer or how SMT IF was connected to Persona through Tamaki. Also seeing the unused Mickey and Donald sprites was surprising I would have loved to see them in game, but I understand why that couldn't happen. The Mouse is just too powerful.
If he was in this series, he'd be an end boss at this rate.
Yes... But of which route?
Wow, this video needs more views. This is something that can still be debunked, but might as well throw in that it's theorized that SMT V is a follow up story to Nocturne in which the Lucifer you see in the trailer is the exact same from Nocturne and the God being dead plot is the result of the war Demi-fiend lead.
Sounds interesting...
Might be really cool if that's the reason they remastered Nocturne around the same time as 5.
I would love that but I think the only problem with that theory is that we kinda destroyed the world and the cycle of rebirth in TDE but the writers could easily come up with a reason for that. There was also that one weird video where in a campaign promoting SMT V (the one where the samurai dude guesses demons) they play Nocturne for no reason. They even had a bit where the samurai guy was confused. It could've just been them trying to promote Nocturne remastered but it was still kinda random and weird. Wonder if this has anything to do with that.
@@alanlight2715 No, the cycle of creation has ended for that one universe as the game confirmed that there is a multiverse
this seems to have been debunked, as demi fiend is dlc, it most likely isnt linked to the main story
Huh and here i thought smt iv apoc anarchy ending was the reason things are as they are in smt v..
Regarding Freikugel: The translators might have taken inspiration from the German folklore "Freischütz": To summarize, a hunter bargains with the devil for a handful of bullets that will never miss their target, except for the last one for which the devil himself designates a target. I won't spoil the entire plot of the story, but you can imagine it ends like most "deal with the devil" stories. BTW, Freikugel literally means free bullet, in the sense that "the shot is basically a free (or guaranteed) bulls-eye".
Considering the subject matter, I do think that the allusion is very apt, even if that wasn't the exact reason they used it. As to why it was renamed? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe somebody thought a western audience would have problems with the pronunciation, wouldn't be the first time Atlus thought we were too stupid for their games xD
I've read somewhere that they originally translated it as Riot Gun from the original japanese translation but there was already a spell named Riot gun making have to use Freikugel instead
Basically the japanese version had a different name for Riot Gun but the translation team named it Riot Gun for the english version, but Freikugel's japanese name was literally Riot Gun forcing them to use Freikugel instead because they wanted Demi to have a unique name for his signature skills
something about avoiding spoilers for a centuries old folktale is kinda funny to me
@@mori2037 There are also multiple endings to that tale if I recall correctly. Or at least there is one modern adaptation which ends... Better? Worse? Debatable.
I looked online for a while, and even reading the Wikipedia summary, it's not quite clear to me who the 7th bullet is meant for. It's either himself or the girl he was marrying, right?
Percy De Rolo played by Taliesin Jaffe in Critical Role Campaign 1 had a cool take on this story. Without the contextual background, simply put one of the characters, Percy De Rolo, had a cursed pistol (created through the influence of a demon, Orthax) that had 5 names on its barrel, with the 6th left blank. This was effectively a revenge contract, but Orthax implied that there was in fact a 6th name that would appear, implying that it wasn't JUST a revenge contract (each of the 5 people on the list were people Percy was potentially planning to kill anyway as revenge for backstory events).
For a long time, it was assumed that the 6th name would be Percy himself, but towards the end of the campaign the 6th name shows up and is revealed to be Cassandra, Percy's younger sister, implying that it was the start of a new contract it was a never ending cycle of murder.
Amazing video, I’ve been playing SMT for around 11 years and never knew about most of these. Thank you for informing me! I’ll definitely be checking out your videos from now on
You're an smt vet. What are your thoughts on persona and smt v?
@@MacenW My copy of SMT V hasn't arrived yet but I've played every main persona game and some of the spin offs. They're great games, my favorite probably being Persona 3 or 4.
Awesome list. One Easter egg you could of added; in kyuuyaku megami tensei (mt1/2 sfc remakes) if you spin around 31 turns outside a treasure chest room then enter it, Jack frost Jr. will appear and give you xp and macca. You can find his mama and papa too
Never stumbled across a video this niche with such high quality editing. Keep it up my man
*opens video*
*Devil Survivor 2 town music hits*
Ah, I see. A man of culture. Subscribed.
Nocturne HD is how I got into SMT. And yes, I am very much looking forward to SMT V!
They should've released 4 on switch, wish persona 4 and 5 were on switch.
Ok?
@@MacenW Congratulations, you're a prophet
Hifumi was not planned to be a phantom thief. Her design was for a phantom thief then later they changed it to be a normal person.
I appreciated the selection and placement of the music lol. Also while I knew some of these things, some of them were also brand new to me!
2 years later and someone finally made a megaten iceberg video. Big ups to you man. This was 46 mins well spent!
Durara crossover with Devil survivor is the BEST THING I got from this video. I LOVE Durara and I did not know it had a crossover with SMT
Fun fact: the name YHVH is a old Hebrew way of spelling Yahweh, the name of God in Judea-Christian mythology.
Interestingly there's some hints that he's not actually the top dog, that he has a boss of sorts and exists more as a high level officer or managerial role.
That still doesn't mean he can't demand to be called the sole deity by us mere mortals I guess.
@@Reddotzebra which actually stands for beyond the games' universe. But I ain't even gonna get to all that.
@@Reddotzebra JHVH is in fact an AI designed to size control over system. In first SMT we in fact can encounter Security AI what has similar design to big yellow head. We also encounter two similar systems in forms of Kagutsuchi from SMT III and Brahman from Digital Devil Saga. Later in SMT IVA we learn about Axium who is implied to be more natural form of shared consciousness. My guess is that it may be in fact related to Aion from Soul Hackers II. BTW: with SMT V and Soul Hacker II i think we have definitive confirmation that series in fact take place in the future, with today being a construct (excluding Soul Hacker and SMT prologue).
@@depshallburn If you talk about Judeo-Christian theology, detail people miss is that God the Father is not the actual God. Trinity are avatars of the God... or well of one of Eight Avatars of God known as Ophanim (Throne) according to Kabbala (called Seraphim in Christianity). Specifically they are Metatron (King of Angels/Voice of God/God the Father), Raziel (God the Son/Christ/Morningstar) and Sandelphon (King of Sheol/Abaddon/Holly Spirit).
@@TheRezro*Judeo-"Christian"*
But, if we're talking of original Christianity, or "early Christianity"- then God, The Father is the one true God and YHWH/YHVH is the false god imposter, "the Devil". This is most accurate to the Canon Gospels (New Testament) and the Lost Gospels (Nag Hammadi Texts), especially before the Torah (Old Testament) was deliberately and retroactively linked to the New Testament as two parts to the same whole, rather than the simple study resource the Torah was supposed to be. All leading to the bizarre conflictons between narratives of the two parts of the modern Bible.
Tl;dr SMT draws from this with the main antagonist of the series being this Demiurge entity in the form of the Hebrew god, YHWH/Yaldabaoth/Yahweh.
I knew a good amount of these but there were definitely some that threw me for a loop. Great video, deserves way more views!
This was pretty good stuff. I knew some of the more superficial stuff; but man. I wanna see that Windows 99 game translated. Good one dood. Have a sub.
The SMT TTRPG novels are really cool historically. They were campaign logs from people who played it at the time, there's a lot of these published for different games in the same age. You could say it's like how we watch twitch stream campaigns nowadays
Until now I didn’t know what this iceberg thing meant but I like this video. Time to listen to many others!
hifumi wasn't planned to be a phantom thief, there was supposed to be another strategist like Makoto, but everything about her was transferred to Makoto and they used the design of that scrapped character for hifumi when making confidants
I remember a few years back about the cancelled Strange Journey Manga, Deathtament
Otherwise called Deep Strange Journey: Another Report
The fiend theme being a remix of something found in IF is really cool, because IF basically had a blueprint for the Demifiend in it's seccondary campaign, where you and your secondary party member go somewhere completely diferent to the other two options. Likewise, your seccond party member becomes a half-demon, who slowly turns more demonic the firther along you progress, iirc
Damn dude there's so much detail and effort in this video I was genuinely surprised that you're not a massive UA-camr yet
12:00 weirdly enough, there's an Alice in Digimon Tamers who fits this description well, so I guess its the same folktale.
7:01 idk if someone’s already said this but Hifumi as we know her now wasn’t going to be a phantom thief. It was a concept design for a phantom thief character and that design was eventually reused for a confidant.
I like to imagine the durarara characters in devil survivor are canon and that by extension, baccano exists in that smt multiverse.
never heard before in my life about any "icebergs" theories. but these info are quite interesting!
Shesha-Flynn never fails to make me scared shitless
Actually, with that bit you mention about Jun, Persona 3 Portable have also finally done it, but it was kinda forced, yet for some reason, still labeled as a friendship route, but it's very obvious when you see it, which is Aigis in the female route in Portable. You can tell that she still has romantic feelings for the protagonist, even with the gender change, this is evident in the fact that even in the female route, the Social Link barely even changed from how it was in the male route. Also, the bit about the rescuing people trapped in Tartarus in P3P, that is actually one of my favorite additions added to Portable since it gives you more of a reason to go into Tartarus more and it helps me plan out my Tartarus trips, since whenever I play it, one of the big goals I set up for the playthrough is to rescue every single person. Plus, I like to think of the bit about Maiko being trapped in Tartarus as a callback to one part in the story of Persona 4, much like the other P4 callbacks P3P makes. Also, to correct you on the Hanchiko part, Koromaru is actually fully aware that his master had died as it was shown in his Social Link in the female route in Portable where despite the owner's death, he's still willing to do anything for his master, even protecting the shrine from anything that will harm it, one woman mentions that his owner had died after being hit by a car while he was taking Koromaru for a walk, but in one conversation that Akihiko has with Shinjiro, he brings up that Koromaru's master was actually killed by the shadows. This made me think that Koromaru's master was actually killed by the shadows, but people reported it as him being hit by a car, as this sorta false reporting thing is a thing in Persona 3 as this happened with Ken's mother where it's reported that she died in an accident, but was actually killed by Shinjiro's Persona, also Mitsuru's father too where they claim he died from illness, but was actually shot by Ikutski. I would not be suprised if it's the same thing with Koromaru's master.
The Albert text to speech got me.
I'm literally shinning my megami till it tensei's rn
Now this...THIS is quality content, many luster candies to you
I forget the details but I remember reading the reason Raidou was cut from the Chinese and Korean versions was cuz his uniform was very popular at the time that the Raidou games take place, and during those times Japan was at war with China or Korea. take it with a grain of salt I have a terrible memory.
You are right, I think
Hitler? Who's that? On an unrelated note, do you remember that guy Fuhrer from P2? Man, he had great sunglasses and a pretty sick mustache too!
When the Nanako's Shadow theory exists, but Teddie has a Shadow. So unless Shadows can have Shadows, that theory is scuffed.
Robots and dogs can have shadows so I don't see why not.
A shadow of a persona user that has a persona that has a persona exists so
@@sock312 oh yeah I forgot about that one. I think the only rule is : if Atlus wants it to have a persona, it does.
@@ritzexists2201 yeah it’s just weird. Nary maki has a shadow and teddy is just sorta like Métis
@@sock312 if we wanted to make up an excuse, maybe we could say it's similar to when the shadows separate from their host in p4, but instead of attacking or going crazy they just become their own entities that developed their own shadows?????
14:09 serious black lodge vibes when I see this version of the velvet room.
also wanna point out how matador 4:07 is infamous for basically killing your team in one turn cuz of his buff cuz he can essentially use magarula 4 times and just ultimate team wipe
I think it would be cool if after battle with Lucifer in Nocturne he would take form of classic Louis Cyphre, since his child and oldman forms fused
1:50 You're kidding, right?
10 years ago I had pretty much the same idea for a book (Too bad I'm bad at telling stories).
Sometimes it's insane which specific thoughts somebody else already thought.
My idea included scanning figures of superheroes, which would then come to life,
but overall they were detrimental to the world and the people (Similar to Superman versus Batman from what arrived later).
So the protagonist which created them sets out to destroy them.
I did not need to know about the P4 parody at 2am in my sleep deprived state, yet here we are. Nice work Yuri.
Just so you know, people are trying to translate the tabletop books, and I’m kind of the gopher here in Japan who is occasionally asked to try and find books for the two translators I know. Be aware, the “novels” are replays of campaigns that groups ran; replays are basically a popular way of retelling finished campaigns as proper novels and such in Japan. A great example of popular a replay can become is Record of Lodoss War, which was based on a replay of the writers’ d&d campaign.
"Delicious Pancakes" occurs 6/9.
Really well done dude!
My headcanon is that Belladonna gave her final performance when Nyx dropped, and that's why they've been reusing the same track since P3
Great video, you can tell you put in the time to do proper research
33:44 it also did have a Bayonetta and a DMC collab featuring Dante from DMC series.
This was great
I like to think I have pretty good knowledge about obscure smt facts and there was a bunch in this I didn't know about
Not going to lie, that Fiend theme and all its prerequisites are bangers.
Ah yes, the original Persona translation. Honestly, looking back at it is hilarious, and I can only imagine what the series would be if translations continued down that path
He lives
7:24
Oh hey I made that Naoya edit back in high school. It's funny seeing it resurface every now and then.
didnt the snow queen route technically return as persona 3? the shards are now the tarot shadows and nyx wants to do the same thing. how cool
The last one is my fav.
Some crazy guys managed to make 3D first person dungeons in the past editions of the RPGMaker engines but they weren't designed for 3D graphics in mind so it was extremely hard to do it, even with the use of RGSS Scripts, special plug&play codes that can be copypasted into your project to customize and expand what the engine can do. So a MegaTen game built into the RPGM-VX engine is awesome.
The most recent versions tho, RPGMaker MV and MZ are coded in Javascript, which allows more advanced customization with javascript Plugins, which are the MV/Z equivalent of Scripts.
And guess what? Someone made a 3D plugin! For both MV and MZ!
This means that Shin Megami Tensei fangames, clones and fan-remakes are much easier to build now!
I'm pretty sure that "Freykugel" is a reference to german theater piece about a guy who possess 7 bullets that would never missed and he would fire 6 of them while the 7th would be fired by the devil
I would put demons leveling up to "Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis" that predates "Giten..." with about two years. Mind you it's still called "Rank" there but trust me it works almost exactly like leveling.
Extremely minor gameplay spoilers for smt v: demons that are of the fiend race can learn a Magatsuhi skill called Freikugel, which is probably an homage to the Demi-fiend.
I'm supriesed this isn't taken down yet by youtube but I'm happy they didn't
Why, would it get taken down?
@@YuriTCC maybe the majin tensei footage you showed in the end for example or the VHS movie footage, since UA-cam is really sensitive about this kind of stuff.
@@HunterGuy953 I assume you meant Giten, well I figured that was fine since it doesn't exactly show anything clearly, and the video I got that footage from had been up for about 7 years so I figured it would be fine.
The VHS stuff I'd say is old enough that no one really cares to enforce anything.
@@YuriTCC sorry then
I misunderstood it
@@HunterGuy953 It's fine~
I appreciate you showing concern!
The nanako shadow theory holds water. Tbh it makes sense because their traits are very similar and teddy is childlike in nature.
Lol, I’m glad Trinity Soul is not canon. That’s affirmed by the P3 cast still being able to use their Personas well into adulthood and Zenkichi just awakening to his in his 30-40s in P5 Strikers. It just seems dumb that you do all this growing in high school, but you get out of school and that’s enough for your strength of heart to dissolve? Come on, man xD
also a quick note: Dx2 once also have a collab with Devil May Cry so Dante has appeared in two Megaten games now
(three if you count Nocturne remaster)
33:52 that sonic one was due to the mobile game being released by SEGA. Thats why there was also a Bayonetta Event.
Dude that plaintalk fact actually blew my mind lmao
1:00 “GladOkumuragotshot” might be the best Reddit name I’ve ever heard….
Video is criminally underrated
Man this video was just 👌 you got my sub.
I wouldn’t call myself an SMT expert, but I think I know a bit about the series. Still, this had some things at didn’t know. Good job!
That RPG maker remake looks amazing
39:09 damn, what the fuck is this
Just read the synopsis. Turns out the mutilation was part of the main plot. And the main quest was to retrieve said limbs. Think of it as Kizumonogatari to put it simply in this era
Apparently the real line from Nocturne's Forced Battle (which was incorrectly translated to Fierce Battle) isn't supposed to be One More God Rejected as most of the lyrics of the song are taken from the Bible, specifically Revelations and it's supposed to be "War broke out in Heaven" in reference to Lucifer and the Fallen Angels rebelling aganist God and being cast from Heaven. The 4th Snake recently just made a video about it.
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Never forget the time atlas retweeted screen caps from perofella
13:26 A reference to this appeared in Pokemon, a kids game
I wonder why they used Okuninushi's model for Amaterasu in Nocturne, considering they already had a model...
Great video
Fun fact: the fiend music as seen in if... was also in smt1 and 2s ps1 port
13:57 just sums up GameTheory in total lol. Idk when it happened but he changed from actually looking at it b science of stuff to the nothing nonsense he does now.
Anyways.
Fun video, I knew a lot of this but I definitely learned some too!