Missabe & Western 17: Paper-mill trackage complete
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- This week, we finish the track-laying for the paper-mill area, install all the feeders and switch-machines, and make a start on the sub-roadbed for the freight yard.
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Lovely workmanship, do you build your own turnouts?
Yes, I build all my own turnouts. I also build them to order for others and sell them through my on-line store (there's a link to my web-site in the description above).
@@mpeterll omg...that's dedication
Always happy to see this pop up on my notifications 🙂🙂🙂
Always happy so see one of my videos being well received. Thanks for watching.
You’re amazing Peter. You’re such a dedicated hard worker, you lost track of time. This is such a great series. I always look forward to the next update. Take care. See ya.
Very impressive Peter 👍
This such a huge project. I've been watching your progress since the beginning when you started the helix's in your garage. I am very impressed by all the work you have completed. I'm always looking forward to the next episode of this build. Well done Peter.
Wow 👏 I was so excited to see the current progress that you are making. So impressive is the design and it's execution. I will most likely view it several times. Thank you for making this awesome video. [db]
The amount of work you got done in the time you had was amazing, regardless of it being 5 or 6 or 7 days. Installing all of those turnouts in a day was monumental. I hope that the customer recognizes and is happy with the amount of work that exists and the speed at which you accomplish it. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Yes he is very happy.
Your productivity boggles my mind!
When you absolutely love your hobby and turn it into a business you never really work at all.
That's okay fine with this viewer. This layout when it's completed is going to be fantastic! I am pleased what i'm observing on all the progress getting done. A railroad is never complete with regular maintenance and all. I am viewing your next videos as im typing this & ones I may have missed. Good job. 👋👋👋👋👋👋
We've all been there- doing an project you ENJOY working on (especially when on the road) one's internal calandar can be quite deceitful. "Time is an illusion.." and track-time doubley-so. Fantastic job!
You designed an amazingly impressive layout, but building it is even more impressive. A really great job!
Thanks
Wow !.. that’s ALOT of track.. and Mountain Dews.. LUV it !
From Carpenter, to Creator (of your own stunning model railroad) to Track Planner and now Builder of other peoples dreams. Thank you for sharing your endeavours and inspiring us along the way.
Thx for your video’s and updates from this giant project. Greetings from The Netherlands.
Always amazing to watch your progress.
Such stamina Peter. Both physical and mental. I hope you get to recharge your own batteries from time to time mate. We all appreciate what you do, but we all need a bit of 'me' time now and again!!!
This IS what I do to recharge. lol
Just phenomenal work that you do, don’t know what you charge, but it looks to me that it is well worth it for your end results. Thank you, Mike
Thank-you. A few of my customers have told me that I don't charge enough. My goal on every job is to exceed the customer's expectations and leave him feeling that he got the better end of the deal.
Haha gotta love those brain farts have them more than I want too hehe.
Takes a long time to install cabling and switch machines and controls it certainly isn't a quick job, you did fantastic to hook up that many in the time you did. Keep up the awesome work look forward to more on this project :)
Great view and progress. Nice work indeed!
Great job. What a massive undertaking. Will there be any mountain dew left in Minnesota when you're finished?😄
Yes I think so. I do my best but just can't drink it as fast as they can produce it.
What a workhorse... typical Limey ..well done Peter
Great job don’t know how you do it you have great patience 😀👍
Outstanding progress 👍
“Obviously I can’t install these diagonal spurs until someone drinks all this Mountain Dew...”😂😂😂 What a Herculean task laying all that track and switches! Very impressive, Peter.👍
Yes, there's a lot of track on this phase of the layout. The track density thins out a bit on phase two, while phases 3 & 4 have mostly open scenery.
Congradulations on a job well done. You are a very talented model builder
Thank you very much!
Great job and beuatiful trackplan thanks for placed on UA-cam!!😀🚂🚆😎!
HC Treintje Herman from Belgium 😁😀🚂🚆😎.
Many thanks
thank you for great detail video
That's a great layout
As always a pleasure to see how far you get each time, but did notice all the Moutian Dew on the track, maybe I can use the small can on my n scale too, but the pillow, your not sleeping on the job are you🤣😂😉 just kidding, you can get that much done sleeping. H AZ ve a great day & thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍
The pillow was necessary while lying on the lower level to install the wiring.
This layout is going to be great! I don't think I'd have the patience to wire all those turnouts. 🙂
The trick is to break it down into smaller tasks and to keep bashing away at it. It's not a big job; more a series of small jobs that can be done a batch at a time.
Splendid. Will the points only be controlled from the fascia? No options for centralized control?
At the moment they are only controlled from the fascia but the Tam Valley switch machines I'm using can easily be controlled from multiple locations simply b the addition of a "Y" cable.
Nice railroad 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃
I agree with the comments on the crazy amount of work you manage to do. Good to see that you've got an apprentice - is he just for this layout, or will he be able to help on others? And guys, thanks for explanation of turnout number - I had long ago figured out the concept, but not the exact definition.
He's not my apprentice. He is the customer's maintenance man so is available for this project only.
Just wow! 🙌👍😅
Great video like normal. Could you run though the complete track plan or point me in the direction of the design video for this layout thank you
The design video is 7 months back as of the time I'm writing this. It's the one after he showed the design of how his personal layout will be.
I went ahead and got the link.
ua-cam.com/video/2aJlzMHGYlA/v-deo.html
@@williambryant5946 thank you that is very kind of you
The design video is also available in the playlist for this project. I believe it's the first one in that list.
@@mpeterll thank you I have now watched it you still have a lot of work to do but it will be great when it is done
That is going to be a back breaker fitting and wiring all the switch motors and track connections on the deck your working on
Not too bad. It was all done in a two day period by placing a foam pad and a pillow on the staging yard below and lying on my back.
Slow down with that Dew
Excellent Mr Peter!! I have a question for you about turnouts....what is the difference between a number 6 & a number 8 turnout? I asked someone else and got a sarcastic 2 and that was not helpful,so if you could help I would appreciate it. As always hope all is well and looking forward to seeing your next video. Take care my friend!!
Turnout numbers are based on the frog angle which is a simple ratio between the length of the frog rails and the spread of the frog rails. That is to say the frog rails "spread" one unit apart when they are X-number-of-units away from the frog point.
So a #6 turnout has a 6-unit run to get the frog rails 1-unit apart.
A #8 turnout has an 8-unit run to get the frog rails 1-unit apart.
Yep, a high-speed #12 turnout takes 12-units in length to spread the rails 1-unit.
Does not matter if your laying prototype track work or working in any known model scale, the frog angle is an X-to-1 ratio. How different manufacturers design turnouts beyond the frog is a totally different subject.
@@thomasboese3793 All this meaning the smaller the number the sharper the turn off the turnout correct? A 6 would put the tracks further apart faster than an 8 making the 6 a harder or sharper turn away from the track the turnout is in. Maybe that helps finish off what you explained in very good technical detail. 👍
What these two already said . . .
I hope that helps to clarify the mystery for you.
@@williambryant5946 Yes, and no. The "size" of the turnout's frog angle is one thing and the "radius" of the curved track is another. On the prototype, turnouts are made to fit the situation. Years ago I came across a variant of Google Maps that didn't have 3-d nor could the view be changed, but, was great at finding distance between points. Having a Track Chart of the subdivision I wanted to model I measured everything track-related. Came across a yard where the north end's turnout spacing, frog-to-frog was three feet less than the spacing of the south end. However, the point-to-frog spacing was the same on both ends.
Watch two turnouts get replaced. The "new" turnout panels are not the same "size" as the old track.
ua-cam.com/video/qXulPkh0vlA/v-deo.html
@@thomasboese3793 I was not referring to the curve of the track away from the switch per say so I guess I should have not used the word curve. The word angle should be substituted for curve in my comment above. That is what I was meaning. The angle is greater putting the track you're switching to away from the track you're on at a faster pace if you indeed are trying to get that distance. For instance in your example above the same switch can be used in different situations as I am aware of. Good that you pointed this out so if there was any confusion from someone else they would understand. 👍
Amazing!!! What is a ball park figure in cost for a layout this size?
ILMAO, I thought that only happened to the elderly 😂😂😂
Well, now you can join the group my friend.
But all said and done (not quite done) what an amazing task.
I don’t recall you mentioning, how many turnouts will be in this museum piece?
I don't think I did ever mention it but you're not the first person to want to know.
@@mpeterll Soooooo are you gonna tell us or should I go back to the videos and count them?
Never mind, I’m not doing that LOL, just tell us or me, I can’t sleep at night wondering about it. I tried counting turn outs in bed but it just wired me instead. 😂
Quick question for you: With your controllers for the switch machines, do they have a default state, ie always line for the normal route, or does the system just keep them in the original state when turned off?
It remembers the state when the layout was turned off.
Do you have to install some kind of power booster to maybe make sure that the entire layout is powered
There are multiple boosters. The control cabinet with all its electronics has been shown in several prior videos.
Yesterday was the first time I got to see one of your videos that's why I asked
@@stephenhudson6543 Welcome to my channel. I have grouped my videos by topic into several public play-lists. All videos concerning this particular project are in the "Missabe & Western" play-list. Enjoy.
Great job, but why use different colors for turnout sleepers?
Fast-tracks turnouts are created by soldering the rail to copper ties at critical locations and then gluing a cosmetic wooden tie strip under it to fill in the gaps. The different colors don't matter as everything will eventually be painted.
Is this layout going to be computer controlled? Massive operational issues. The number of turnouts is massive.
It's designed for prototypical operation by a group.
Good Lord! How many turnouts are on this layout?
All of them. All turnouts
Yes.
Quite a lot. It's been a while since my last count and there have been some changes since then. I want to say about 170-180 so far (including the freight yard that will appear in a future video). Feel free to pause the track-plan video and count them.
I just had a look at the official plan again. There were a few changes made, both additions and subtractions, but if I've calculated them correctly, there are currently 167 turnouts, 5 crossings and 5 double slips installed. The missing track in the diesel servicing area and the industrial branch will add another 14.
That is quite a lot especially if your building them yourself. Thanks for answering.
What turnout machines are you using?
They are from Tam Valley. I've shown them before in this series.
I built N scale turnouts using fast tracks tools aswell. Its my favorite part of the hobby, other than weathering/detailing. You cannot beat the look and function of handlaid turnouts. Maybe micro engineering or shinohara. Plastic frogs and especially Kato unitrak ruin realism. And in N scale, anything above code 55 just looks bad, imo.
Yes, can't agree more.
Question: what is the reason for the diamond crossing at ua-cam.com/video/T0OkVV5ohoU/v-deo.html . Two turnouts back to back would be simpler and remove the need for the diamond crossing. Is it just visual interest, or that we gain a tiny bit more track length, or operational interest?
We gain more than two feet of extra usable spur length. Put another way, we get two additional car spots on each spur. This arrangement was fairly common in dense urban areas where space was at a premium.
@@mpeterll Thank you!