Think critically for a moment. “If a man steals a car and sells it, or is found in possession of a stolen car, he shall be punished” (Exodus 21:16, CAR Version). “I have proof that In the US you cannot own a STOLEN car”. There, fixed it for ya. 🤦♂️ Now ask yourself: if: if I can neither steal and sell, nor buy stolen goods, does that mean I cannot buy or sell at all? Now consider Leviticus 25:44-46 which @maklelan quoted. Who’s doing the “selling”. Hint: check out the Irish immigration to America during the potato famine. But what do I know? You people are the Bible scholars.
@@JhutaNabi Buying the slaves isn't forbidden. Stealing people and selling slaves is. The bible condones slavery, tells you the punishment for killing your slave within three days of the beating, says you can sell yourself into slavery to pay a debt, says if the man who sells himself has a wife and she pleases you can keep her, etc. Get over it, the bible condones slavery.
@@samuelbekele3601 1. Do you know what "selling yourself into slavery" means? Indentured labor, which is practiced LEGALLY throughout the world today. Which country or region do you come from? Tell me and I'll prove to you that your nation/government has legalized indentured servitude in one form or another TODAY! 2. The Bible recognizes that no one can stop someone from choosing to become a servant. And no one will "sell" themselves unless there is no other way out of their trouble. But the Bible (God's Law) seeks to protect and regulate things to keep weak, poor and defenseless people from being oppressed. Regulation does not mean approval! 3. Now, what does the Bible say about the involuntary and forcible enslaving of a person? "Now one who kidnaps someone, whether he SELLS him or he is FOUND IN HIS POSSESSION, shall CERTAINLY be PUT TO DEATH" (Exodus 21:15). So, if you kidnapped someone and sold him, or you bought and own a kidnapped person, you are to be put to death by the law of the Hebrews. If this law had been enacted in the West 200 years ago, there would have been no trans0-atlatic slavery. And in Moses', time 3,500 years ago, slaves were treated more humanely than in the West, 200 years ago. And you people call the West "civilized"? 4. Here is the law in the Bible concerning escaped slaves. “You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, IN A PLACE THAT HE CHOOSES in one of YOUR TOWNS WHERE IT PLEASES HIM, YOU SHALL NOT MISTREAT him" (Deuteronomy 23:15-16). In other words, God decreed that an escaped slave should be protected and be able to live in safety WHEREVER he chooses. Again, how were escaped slaves treated in the West?
Yet the opposite end is doing the exact same thing? They are literally both just interpreting it a different way. Are you implying that this guy is the most knowledgeable person in the world and only one who is right on the topic?
@@MNZGamin absolutely not. But I often come across Christian’s claiming that context is wrong if it doesn’t fit their presuppositions. Atheists and other religions do this aswell and I think it’s important to correct anyone who may be misinformed or mischaracterizing the texts. I know Christians who under inflate the bad things in the Bible and atheists who over inflate the Bible to be bad.
People need to stop cherry picking verses pertaining to "slavery" that shows what they consider "Fair" treatment to justify the idea the kind of slavery the Bible talks about I noticed people definitely leave out the verses where the owner can beat their slave as long as you don't off them That if someone sold their daughter into slavery, that the daughter wouldn't be able to leave like the men do after their service is done, that she is a slave until her death If a slave(man) is married and has children during his service to his master, that when its time for him to be free, his wife and children are not able to leave with him He can have his family under one condition and thats if he stays a servant/slave to his master
All of that is old testament, which is perceived by Christians to be a story not what they should follow. You have to understand that slaves were common practice back then too, everyone of importance had slaves. What is your point though, that the bible is wrong for saying how to treat slaves?
@@Imnotagroyperyoutube of course it is the story that Christians don't wanna follow because of all of the evil and cruel things within it. Was slavery abolished in the New Testament absolutely not.. Just because something was common practice does not make it right ! Tell me what is so hard to grasp with this concept ? People are not property and one person owning another person as their property is immoral. It is evil and it is cruel. Do you agree? Yes/No ?
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood. Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this: Chattel slavery, the most common in American history. However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery. 1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated. 2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16). Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. 3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war. In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice. When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly. 4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim. The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free: Exodus 21:26-27 An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth. If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him. Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else: Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option. Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later. When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters. If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary. To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery. We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
The Bible doesn’t actually condone smashing the head of your enemy’s baby against a rock. It was more so a call of revenge on the Babylonians than exiled them. It’s not in the levitical legal code.
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood. Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this: Chattel slavery, the most common in American history. However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery. 1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated. 2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16). Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. 3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war. In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice. When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly. 4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim. The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free: Exodus 21:26-27 An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth. If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him. Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else: Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option. Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later. When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters. If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary. To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery. We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@johnnytr0uble the Biblical and Talmudic laws tended to consider slavery a form of contract between persons, theoretically reducible to voluntary slavery, unlike chattel slavery, where the enslaved person is legally rendered the personal property (chattel) of the slave owner.Hebrew slavery was prohibited during the Rabbinic era for as long as the Temple in Jerusalem is not reconstructed (i.e., the last two millennia). Although not prohibited, Jewish ownership of non-Jewish slaves was constrained by Rabbinic authorities since non-Jewish slaves were to be offered conversion to Judaism during their first 12-months term as slaves. If accepted, the slaves were to become Jews, hence redeemed immediately. If rejected, the slaves were to be sold to non-Jewish owners. Accordingly, the Jewish law produced a constant stream of Jewish converts with previous slave experience. Additionally, Jews were required to redeem Jewish slaves from non-Jewish owners, making them a privileged enslavement item, albeit temporary.
Yeah the Bible is super inconsistent and vague at times, even something as important as the core tenets of Christianity contradicts each other (faith only v.s. faith + works). Part of me thinks it was done that way on purpose, so it means whatever anyone wants it to mean- whatever’s most convenient.
@@markwildt5728superfluous comment on your part, since @freethink was specifically referring to the tiktoker’s claim “to educate” where maklelan simply responded.
Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." yet people still defend slavery, not servitude, in the bible...ew.
If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the OPPRESSED FREE,
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_CyavanaThis question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood. Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this: Chattel slavery, the most common in American history. However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery. 1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated. 2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16). Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. 3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war. In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice. When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly. 4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim. The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free: Exodus 21:26-27 An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth. If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him. Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else: Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option. Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later. When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters. If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary. To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery. We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@Doctor_Fate5 The nice slavery is only for slaves who *are bought* AND *are Hebrew.* Plus, you can easily abuse the laws with exploits like drug addiction. Also, the nicer form of milltary/organisational slavery, that has more oversight by nature, is made difficult by the rules.
The more you listen to people who develop their beliefs off others' words, the more you should realize they lack any depth of wisdom. Wisdom is not found in the experience you have not found yourself.
Also, that interpretation can also be refuted by looking at more modern contexts pertaining to the illegality of slavery. In pre-Civil War US, kidnapping people to sell them into slavery was illegal. Yet they still had slaves because such laws only applied to kidnapping other Americans.
In ancient Israel slavery was basically an advance method of handling unpaid debt. Nobody was permitted to keep a fellow Israelite as "slave" for more than seven years (Leviticus 25:35-55) At that point debt was annulled. If one beat or harmed a slave, he had to be set free (Exodus 21:26) If one came across an escaped slave, one was not supposed to return him (Deuteronomy 22:28).
Hard to believe all the lies I was told in church, Sunday School, Bible studies…not maliciously but, by people who blindly trusted they had been taught “the truth.” Thank you for setting the record straight by explaining the actual truth of what was written by men in this errant book.
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood. Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this: Chattel slavery, the most common in American history. However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery. 1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated. 2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16). Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. 3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war. In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice. When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly. 4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim. The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free: Exodus 21:26-27 An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth. If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him. Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else: Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option. Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later. When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters. If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary. To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery. We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@squiddwizzard8850 I continually see Scripture being attacked on the basis that it either endorses the practice of slavery or that it fails to explicitly denounce the practice of slavery. I’ve seen skeptics, atheists, and even self-proclaimed liberal Christians use this argument as a means to charge the Bible with immorality, irrelevance, and atrocities. Does the Bible Endorse or Fail to Denounce Slavery? It is a mistake to assume the Bible doesn’t condemn slavery and if such an assertion is to be made, it deserves careful and critical examination. First off, the word “slavery” as it occurs throughout the Bible refers to a wide spectrum of servitude from “leasing” ones service where both parties enter into the agreement willingly to situations that far more resembled slavery as we know it in this country. Biblically, the word “slavery” refers to a wide range of stuff from servitude to outright slavery. I believe there is sufficient evidence that the Bible condemns the latter forms of atrocious slavery. First, consider the plagues that fell upon the Egyptians for refusing to free God’s people from forced, atrocious slavery. Of all the slavery portrayed in the Bible, the Egyptians rule over the Hebrews can certainly be compared to the racial slavery we experienced in our country. In this situation, I think God made it evident He condemned such a heinous act. Extracting the Hebrew people, as lowly as they were seen in the eyes of the Egyptian people, establishing them as God’s chosen ones, and pouring curses out on the Egyptians was as definitive a statement as God could have made. Certainly, any sane person can deduce that God is not in favor of such forms of slavery. Couple this situation with the following verses: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). “But we know that the law is good, provided one uses it legitimately. We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching” (1 Timothy 1:8-10). The word “kidnappers” in the above passage is alternately translated as “man-stealers” or “enslavers” depending on the translation you are using. These verses when juxtaposed with the Hebrew slavery in Egypt clearly reveals that God does not condone or endorse the heinous, forced, and atrocious forms of slavery. Period. In fact, suggesting God endorses such acts does Him and His Word an injustice and reveals a poor working knowledge of Scripture. Now this brings us to the more mild forms of slavery (where both parties entered into the agreement willingly). In these situations God’s Word speaks into the hearts of both slave and slave-owner. The method God’s Word uses to initiate social reform in this case is to speak into the hearts of individuals. Social change occurs one conversion at a time in the heart of believers. With this is mind, examine the following verses: For the slave master: Ephesians 6:9, “And masters, treat your slaves the same way, without threatening them, because you know that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.” For the slave: 1 Peter 2:19-20, “For it brings favor if, mindful of God’s will, someone endures grief from suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if you sin and are punished, and you endure it? But when you do what is good and suffer, if you endure it, this brings favor with God.” In the culture of the New Testament, slavery was engrained. So the writers of the New Testament encouraged social reform one heart at a time. When this is taken into account, no form of “Christian slavery” would resemble what comes to our mind when we hear the word slavery. Consider Paul’s interaction with the slave Onesimus. In the first chapter of Philemon, Paul writes that Onesimus is “no longer a slave, but more than a slave” (v.16). He refers to Onesimus as his “son” (v. 10). In verse 17, Paul encourages Philemon (the master) to receive Onesimus as a partner in Christ just as he would Paul himself. Paul even goes as far as to assume any debts or charges that Onesimus may have built up against Philemon (v. 18)! Does any of Paul’s words resemble the heinous, atrocious images that we associate as Americans with slavery? Paul is encouraging social reform by appealing to the hearts of both Onesimus and Philemon. In no way is he “endorsing slavery” as skeptics suggest. When Scripture is examined, the Christian can take confidence that neither God, nor His Word, “endorses” the heinous and atrocious act of slavery or human trafficking. We can stand on God’s Word when we oppose such practices and when we do, we will glorify God in the process.
Dan, I see such an honest approach to the Bible from you, which is refreshing. But I don’t understand how you can recognize that God explicitly endorsed chattel slavery, and still worship him. What is the rationale there?
@cjlovick that is not what the bible teaches. Free will and the doctrine of original sin are not compatible. Read the first 3 chapters of romans. Ephesians 1. 1 John. If free will exists in Christianity how does the doctrine of sanctification work? Or the doctrines of pre-destination and divine election? You don't know your book son. It's really fucking annoying when Christians don't even know the book they claim to believe in.
@@mdm123196 You're confused. You don't know the book, son. Keep studying and pray for understanding. If free will didn't exist, how could Satan fall along with the other angels who fell with him? If they were programmed to follow God, they would have been incapable of not following God. How could Adam and Eve disobey the Most High if free will didn't exist? Disobedience wouldn't be in the programming. How could God judge us for our sins if free will didn't exist? The sins wouldn't be ours. They would be His sins because He programmed us to do them. Where there is no free will, there is no judgment or accountability. Why give the Jews laws when you can program them not to sin? You give people laws when they have the freedom to choose. Just like we have the freedom to choose God or reject Him. Nothing in the first three chapters of Romans, Eph 1 or 1 John indicates we do not have free will. What's annoying is someone coming in loud, ignorant, and foul, not knowing what they're talking about.
Back then slavery and owning slaves where just part of life, it wasn't a taboo to owm a person, in 2000 years if technology improves people could look at normal working conditions of today's most cushy jobs and think "how barbaric"
So you are basically saying that God is affected by 'times' as well then? Sure he laid all the rules about treatment of the enslaved peoples when he could stop it.
To compare a difficult job to the barbarism of slavery is highly offensive and absolutely racist. Slaves didn't have the opportunity to "quit" and go somewhere else freely. Anybody that doesn't like their job can quit, work somewhere else, or strart their own business. The only way slavery makes sense is when people 'reach' like this statement. Comparing apples and pillows.
@d.a.5912 your going to have to explain to me how this is racist. Every single race on earth has been slaves and has sold slaves. And in here in Africa the slave trade is still active. And no comparing slavery to modern jobs through the perspective af a culture a thousand years in the future is not like comparing apples to pillows.
*lets the video play for 2 seconds of what the man was going to say then gives his point for the rest of the video without even hearing the rest of the man’s video* 🙃👍🏽
@@cygnusustus( Galatians 4) Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father." So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
@@cygnusustus did you read Galatians 4? If you were God's slave then you literally would not have a choice but to worship Him. Do you understand how logic works??
Dan McClellan, please check this: Exodus 21:16 (see also Deuteronomy 24:7) prohibits *stealing* _(gnb)_ a male or having a *stolen* male “in hand”. Slaves were property, so taking one’s property was not stealing. “Kidnapping” is a problematic translation to our 21st C culture that does not have open chattel slavery. In Exodus 21:16, Yahweh had just finished codifying some aspects of slavery, so clearly slavery was *legal,* whereas Exo 21:16 applied only to *illegal* captures. An example of legal capture (maybe the most common one by far) occurred during wartime, regardless of who the aggressor was. (See Numbers 33:17-18)
Problematic because we think of all the aspects of modern day kidnapping and might try to retro for those into the original text - a bad way of translating
If Exodus 21:16 is only about Israelites as Dan says, then maybe “kidnapping” is a better translation as Israelite slaves are usually not called property.
@@cmar6461 That doesn’t address the reasons I gave why kidnapping is a bad translation. The Bible does treat slaves as property, at least once explicitly labelling hem so: Exodus 21:20-21 If you beat your slave and the slave doesn’t die within a few says, there is no punishment, because the slave is your silver (money). There are several verses where we can see that the slaves’ children automatically became property of the master.
@@scienceexplains302 The OT has rules regarding two types of slaves: Israelite debt servants and chattel slaves. The former were to be set free after seven years whereas the latter were considered property. I believe Dan has videos on it. In this video and in others Dan says that this verse is about kidnapping Israelites (I am very interested in hearing from him why scholars believe that). He also specifically refers to the foreign slaves as property.
@@cmar6461 So we three agree that the Bible sees servants as property. I am not sure if there is any difference between Israelites and foreigners other than the duration - the 7 years. Yes, McClellan said “kidnapping” for a specific purpose in a very short video. I am going deeper into the meaning of qnh. Using “steal” instead of “kidnap” is closer to the original meaning given the context and other uses of the word.
Nah, it says you can only enslave an Israelite/Judean if he/she owes you money. You then have to set them free after 7 years unless you marry them off to another one of your slaves then you get to keep them and their children as long as your evil heart desires.
@@letsomethingshine Leviticus 25 44-46 , say u lying and yes Israelites need to be free but only male slaves wife amd kids stays urs if u have him wife
@@Doctor_Fate5respect you brother. Glad to see brothers in the word. Ima get like you one day bro. Check out the channel abolishment rising. Got me believing after very bad times and horrible people I use to follow. He has a great video about an hour long called "if you aren't an abolishment today you wouldn't be an abolishment of slavery yesterday" or something like that. Really really woke me up.
The imperfect mosaic law was established so as to bring about a nation that Jesus could come from, or in other words, god allowed slavery because if he didn’t it would have resulted in less people receiving the gospel and thus more suffering in the world. Also, the treatment of slaves by the Israelites was revolutionary for its time as no other culture even had laws related to punishing slave owners for poor treatment.
Unlike other nations, including the United States, the Israelites spelled out rights that slaves had. Masters had to pay reparations to slaves whom they'd mistreated, or in some cases set them free. Which still doesn't make it right. Yet at that point in history nobody could yet conceive of a society without slavery. The Bible keeps a record of our spiritual evolution; not everything in it is ideal. But just as we had to pass through a phase of "eye for an eye justice" (if somebody pokes out your eye, at least refrain from killing him) to "turning the other cheek", we had to go through a mitigation of slavery before we recognized that we're better off without it.
@@howlrichard1028 In Exodus 21 if a master injured a slave's eye or knocked out a tooth, he had to set the slave free. Later on the law allowed the master to pay a fine to the slave instead, if the slave agreed. (I seem to recall other parts of the Bible referring to other rights as well, but I can't find them right now.)
It's not humans that made the rules but the creator of the almighty universe? Now you're telling me that that almighty God was so puny as to not be able ti just tell people to stop owning othe people as property? The same God that prohibited polyester, shellfish and collecting sticks on the Sabbath?
@@mobilegamereviewer.1936 Polyester wasn't invented yet. You're thinking of the ritual taboo against blended fabrics. And it's not a matter of puniness but patience. God had to phase people into understanding what needed done, step by step, so that they could truly understand it. In fact, the ritual restrictions that you described were part of the process of getting the people's mindset headed in a direction that would make spiritual evolution possible. The blended fabric taboo was a mental habit to get them to think of themselves, too, as separate from other nations, so that stronger cultures wouldn't overpower theirs. The taboo against doing any kind of work on the Sabbath was to break them free of the slave mentality imposed on them in Egypt, where they had no days off, and instructing them to give their own slaves a weekly day off, too, underlined the principle that these were human beings, no different from themselves, who had human rights--a concept later expanded on as we outgrew slavery. The shellfish taboo is an exception; a practical rule for a people who at that time didn't yet have a Mediterranean coast and would have had to eat imported shellfish, which was a bad idea without refrigeration.
Why just those 2 verses. Just keep reading. Any of his family can redeem the bondsman. Or, if he be able, he can redeem himself. It’s not chattel slavery. It’s indentured servitude. There’s a difference. I’m sure that’s why this is a short.
oh, shut up! the bible says your only punishment for permanently destroying a slave's eye from a beating is that the slave goes free, and that you can beat the crap out of your slaves and you will not receive any punishment if the slave recovers after a day or two because the slave is your property! this is why the christian slave masters in the south had no problem whipping the hell out of their black slaves.
Ahh yes, permanent indentured servitude, totally not chattel slavery. 😂 I don't think the ancient Hebrew allows you to split hairs like this my brother in Christ.
@@metaleggman18 the bible literally supports chattel slavery. "And as for your male and female *slaves* whom you may have--from the nations that are around you, from them you may -*-buy-*- male and female -*-slaves.-*- Moreover you may -*-buy-*- the -*-children-*- of the strangers who dwell among you, and their -*-families-*- who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall -*-become your property.-*- And you may take them as an -*-inheritance-*- for your children after you, to inherit them as a -*-possession;-*- they shall be your -*-permanent slaves.-*- But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor." -- Leviticus 25: 44-46. i don't know why some christians keep saying slavery was all indentured servitude, when Leviticus clearly proves that chattel (permanent) slavery was allowed.
The reason why ask for the definition is because as I mentioned in my original comment Trent horn was just telling you that not all slavery is bad in other words slavery In it of itself is not evil? Do you agree or disagree? I’m not the one comparing and saying modern prison is modern slavery as a matter a fact I disagree with that and I think they should forced prisoners to work and not even paid them, I even did a powerpoint for school talking about the morality of forced labor for the prisoners here’s a video were I mostly got my ideas by Trent horn, ua-cam.com/video/Vm-RUWHp8pg/v-deo.htmlsi=FBLWoIDIMZOG5VXa And once again I’m not the one comparing slavery to prison labor or 9to5 jobs I’m just telling you that’s what some people think and that’s what’s part of their definition and that’s why I ask you is your definition the correct one or is that nothing more and nothing less than your personal opinion? Just answer my questions and if you agree give me your opinion on what slavery is and I will respond. And fyi just cause it’s different it doesn’t mean it’s not slavery that why I mentioned if there are types of slavery. And just so you know I actually don’t think there’s anything wrong with that type of supposedly chattel slavery the guy in the video said. In regards to your Deuteronomy verses to be honest with I’m not going to respond to Deuteronomy 22:28-29 because you are a grown adult and you know better and to be honest if I do I will be casting my pearls into the pigs but I will repond to Deuteronomy 21:9-14 10-14 When you go to war against your enemies and God, your God, gives you victory and you take prisoners, and then you notice among the prisoners of war a good-looking woman whom you find attractive and would like to marry, this is what you do: Take her home; have her trim her hair, cut her nails, and discard the clothes she was wearing when captured. She is then to stay in your home for a full month, mourning her father and mother. Then you may go to bed with her as husband and wife. If it turns out you don’t like her, you must let her go and live wherever she wishes. But you can’t sell her or use her as a slave since you’ve humiliated her. For starters I’m going to just layout 2 bible verses that clearly refute your claim of sex slaves(force sex) Penalty for rapist Deuteronomy 22: 25 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her. Mirrage law 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Here’s is a video that will go more on depth in regards to rape punishments and sex laws. www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html Know I understand that deutrenomy 21:10-14 speaks about mirage and sex and the soil Dee taking the captive as his wife but my question to you is where does it say that he can forced her to have sex? Clearly if you can’t answer this or proove this than you will just have to admit that your claim that deuteronomy 21:10-14 condones sex slavery is something you believe by faith and not because you have proof. And also fyi one of the most important things when it comes to interpreting the Bible and something that is not a rule for many other books is that you should not think more than what has been written. 1 Corinthians 4:6 NIV Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. In regards to biblical slavery I honestly don’t know what the Bible stand is on slavery, because there are only two types of stands when it comes to biblical slavery the first one is that it was moral and good and the second one is that slavery was not moral and neither Gods ideal and nor did he accept it as something righteous but rather for some good reason God decided to regulated kind of like when it came to divorce when it was allowed because of man’s Hearten hearts despite God saying that what he unites no man should seperate. Here is a link of some videos I gathered to help me figure out which is the Bible stand on slavery, in these videos you will see two types of Christian’s one that defends slavery as something that was moral and one that defends slavery as something that was not Gods ideal nor condoned. ua-cam.com/play/PLz5QmaFu4KYmwsWiPoL39aVLQtUTBdrWx.html&si=Jy8-os2i-VZ-yjXM
I have a different approach as to when considering what was and was not allowed in the OT law and comes from Jesus's deeper understanding of mosaic Law : "He said to them, Moses, because of your hardness of heart, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so." (Matthew 19:8). So, God did allowed things but in the beginning has not being so. Maybe God allowed some form of slavery, but in the beginning it has not being so. It is because of your hardened hearts. I take that you think God endorses divorce, also ¿am I correct?
@@iKooy17 yes slavery is not an intrinsic evil like say abortion! We practice slavery today in different forms, prison, military conscription, etc.. he should know the intellectual Christian response
@@sensusfidelium9510 slavery is defined as a person owning someone, prison and conscription are very different. are you not saying that buying people for your own gain is good?
@@iKooy17 CROSS Slavery & The Bible - OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion) - Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1 Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT - Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28) - Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18) - Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
Slavery was allowed, regulated, and legislated for. In this context, I would argue this is separate from condoning, since God certainly does not view slavery as a moral practice. You may interpret God allowing slavery, while finding it immoral, to be condoning it; this is fine, but quite misleading. This should be clarified, however, if you find it to be condoning because you think God finds slavery to be moral as long as you adhere to His guidelines, then you are mistaken.
What people don’t realize is that the world had become so corrupted that God had to start making sense out of everything. He never intended for people to be enslaved but since they did it anyone he had to bring some type of order to it.
Many who see this will choose blindness & deafness over utilizing the tools afforded us (eyes, ears, brain) as humans to discern truth over empty, robotic dogma. But a few of us won't and we really appreciate you, Doctor! ❤
Just cause you think we are all "slaves" to something don't mean being property to another human is OK nor can you compare. I wouldn't want to spend eternity with an evil God that thinks slavery is just fine.
I wonder why it’s specified that chattel slavery is only for foreigners. Is it a way for God to protect his people and to show supremacy to the nations and gods around the Israelites and throughout the ANE?
Wrong! Her is some proof! Look up frank turk if you ever want the truth on this stuff! - OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion) - Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1 Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT - Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28) - Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18) - Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
@@thiagoviana5355 exactly! When you concur a waring nation you most likely had to inslave them so the would not counter attack later! Slavery in its self is not evil ie Prison ,conscription exct! It’s how it applied
Slavery existed and the old testament made it have rules and made the slaves have rights and made them get free in the future so THANK GOD the old testament laws existed because they effected slavery for the best
If there is a book that condones my mistreatment in any form or fashion then that book could be the instrument of your demise. It is important to note that a person’s interpretation of the truth no matter the source must contend with the concept that another person’s opposite belief may cause them harm. If you are willing to die for beliefs then have at it. Can we assume that God condones all activities that he allows? Answer, it doesn’t matter cause it happened.
I think you must also connect the enslaving foreigners to there should have not have been any foreigners left in the land. They were supposed to be driven out. However, if they stayed, they could be enslaved.
@@amiragreen8131if slavery is oppression 👇 The phrase "I have come to set the oppressed free" is attributed to Jesus and is a reflection of his mission as presented in the New Testament. The exact wording might vary slightly based on the translation, but a similar sentiment is expressed in Luke 4:18 (NIV): "The Spirit of the Lord is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free." In this verse, Jesus is quoting from the book of Isaiah (Isaiah 61:1-2), and he is declaring his mission to bring spiritual and social liberation to those in need. This proclamation underscores Jesus' focus on justice, compassion, and the transformative power of his teachings.
Your understanding and interpretation are a little off. Chattel slavery is not the same as bond slavery. The Bible does neither condemn nor condone slavery but regulates it. A bondservant or slave if you prefer is a debt slave, bound by a contract of debt. Certain people in the area of that time were considered servants of God by God and were to be treated differently than the rest and were to be released from their bond by a certain time but the bond servants from among the heathens in that area could be kept. these servants or slaves if you prefer and weren't compelled to be released by any certain date, often the servants desired to stay because life was hard for many and couldn't survive on their own. They possessed the bond, they didn't own the people.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 in the Old Testament states: "Do not return their slave to their master. They may live anywhere they like and in any of your towns that seem best to them. Do not oppress them." This verse emphasize a humane approach toward escaped slaves, allowing them to find refuge and live freely among the Israelites. The principle is one of compassion and protection for those seeking freedom from oppressive circumstances.
For another hot Bible take on slavery, check out exodus 21. It is some of the most evil stuff to be found in a very evil book. Tl;dr * you can beat your slaves almost to death, but not to death. * Male jewish slaves go free after 7 years (jubilee). Female jewish slaves and their children (boys and girls) are slaves for life. * it’s ok to sell daughters into slavery, but by extension not sons. * these rules only apply to jew-slaves. Do whatever you want to Foreign slaves. So yeah… the god of the Bible is the god of love. (Not)
@@nickbrasing8786 Because the Bible is a mythos held sacred by a religion, it is not a "fact" for millions. Justifying slavery and ownership through a religious text is unethical.
In other words: “I don’t like what you’re saying but I also don’t have a defense against your argument, so I’m going to pretend your argument doesn’t exist”
@@paulallenscards the 13th amendment of the constitution forbids enslavement and indentured servitude. It doesn't matter what the Bible says, referring to humans as chattel is dehumanizing and removes human and civil rights at every level. Slavery is forbidden in all 50 states and territories of the United States. There is no compromise or shine you can slap on enslavement, its disgusting.
There were many protections for slaves in Israel. If someone harmed their slave the slave was to be set free. If you killed a slave, that was the same as any other murder. While slavery may not have prohibited in every regard, saying the Bible "condones slavery" will immediately load images of the early American slave trade into people's minds, and that would be completely inaccurate. Not everything wrong was specifically written out in the old testament. One such example is when Jesus mentions that due to the hardness of the people's hearts, Moses allowed people to divorce their wives. This alone shows that there is at least one example of God managing the extent to which people sin through laws. I would argue that the mere fact that slavery goes against other core Biblical values is enough to determine that slavery as a whole was never God's design or ideal, and thus, should be rejected from any sound Biblical world view.
Yes, I agree there were protections for slaves in the Bible. But that doesn't mean slavery was not condoned in the Bible. By definition it was. What you seem to be arguing is that since it was different from American slavery, therefore it was the good kind of slavery? If not, why are we never told in the Bible that it's a sin? Or wrong? Lots of things are regulated in the Bible that we are also told not to do. Commanded even. But not so with slavery. Why not?
At this time , the church and the state were one entity. The church used to make the law. Because slavery was part of society, the church made law to make sure the slave rights are respected. Same thing here about prostitute. Even it is not allow in out society, there are law to protect prostitutes. Thst doesn't me it is good based on the Bible to prostitute.
@@travelerawakenings8477 Except the "Church" didn't make the law as you said. That came from God Himself. The Church only enforced God's laws. And God told the Israelites that they could own slaves, and here are the rules for that. That's the whole issue here traveler? This isn't prostitution, this is slavery. And the fact is God condoned that according to the Bible. Not the "church".
In antebellum Mississippi, maiming your slave could get you fined and or jail time. See! There were protections! American slavery wasn’t bad! Whew glad we cleared that up /S
I grew up Christian (now atheist) and im reading the full bible for the first time- I had heard slavery is condoned, but upon reading it myself, im actually ASTOUNDED at how common slavery is in the bible.
It’s not true! Here are verse and why Bible is true and not in error, people misunderstand or mislead people to often about ot scripture! Hope this helps! God Bless and fill your life! Slavery & The Bible - OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion) - Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1 Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT - Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28) - Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18) - Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
Once again these gentile so called Christians making up their version of truth, not according to scripture. When Christ gave the law he came to free the captives all nations were to cease and decease the practice of any type of slavery. They were to teach LOVE to their countrymen and to the strangers. Luke 4:18 [18]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, He also clearly gave the judgement to any nation or person that continued in the wicked practices of slavery. Revelation 13:10 [10]He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Leviticus 25: 44-46 is a clear indication of slavery (brutal chattel slavery) being acceptable as long as it wasn’t against fellow Jews. Matthew 5:17 Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” He never mentioned anything about stopping slavery at any point including the slavery that was established in Leviticus.
@@gillmsnfillman1691In Matthew 5:17, Jesus is addressing his followers, emphasizing that he did not come to abolish the Law (referring to the Old Testament laws and teachings) or the Prophets. Instead, his purpose is to fulfill or complete them. This statement underscores the continuity between Jesus' teachings and the existing religious tradition of Judaism. Jesus goes on in the following verses (Matthew 5:18-48) to elaborate on various aspects of the law, providing a deeper understanding and interpretation. He emphasizes the importance of internal righteousness, going beyond mere external observance of the law. This sets the stage for the teachings commonly known as the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus presents a more profound and transformative understanding of God's will and ethical living. If slavery is oppression 👇 The phrase "I have come to set the oppressed free" is attributed to Jesus and is a reflection of his mission as presented in the New Testament. The exact wording might vary slightly based on the translation, but a similar sentiment is expressed in Luke 4:18 (NIV): "The Spirit of the Lord is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free." In this verse, Jesus is quoting from the book of Isaiah (Isaiah 61:1-2), and he is declaring his mission to bring spiritual and social liberation to those in need. This proclamation underscores Jesus' focus on justice, compassion, and the transformative power of his teachings. In old testament Ezekiel 47:22 states: "You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel." This verse is part of a larger passage in the book of Ezekiel describing the division of the land among the twelve tribes of Israel. It emphasizes the inclusive nature of the inheritance, extending it to both the native-born children of Israel and the sojourners residing among them. The idea is to treat those living among the Israelites as equal participants in the distribution of land. "Sojourners" in biblical terms typically refer to foreigners or strangers residing in a land temporarily. These individuals are not native to the place where they are living but are there for various reasons such as travel, work, servant/slave or seeking refuge. The concept of treating sojourners justly and integrating them into the community is often emphasized in biblical teachings, promoting hospitality and fairness in their treatment. The verse from Ezekiel 47:22 underscores the idea that sojourners, along with native-born individuals, should share in the inheritance and be considered as part of the community. It's about assimilation foreigners became Jews.
why did white people colonize so many countries in the name of religion when the bible says to just shake the dust of your shoulders if the house does not want to accept the gospel. why did white people kill in the name of religion.
@@thiagoviana5355 The slavery that happened then and the slavery that happened to Black people are two very different concepts. God put that rule as a punishment against Egypt because of the terror they caused on the Israelites. Black people didn’t do anything to the British for the British to have the right to enslave them. There’s a difference with the slavery we had and the slavery in the Bible, but when people hear the word slavery, they automatically think about British colonialism. Israel onto Egypt was justice through retaliation. British onto Black people was pure injustice. So no that doesn’t make God regulating slavery moral because he didn’t regulate it in the first place.
@@pandz9380 Slavery is owning other people as property. That's the definition. Not just chattel slavery. Not just indentured servitude. If you own a person, you are engaging in slavery. The bible regulates owning people as property, referring to them as their master's money that could be inherited. Is this not slavery, a.k.a owning people as property? Again, does god regulating slavery make it moral? All you're doing is dismissing what the book says and bending the meaning of words as to not admit there's immoral shit there.
What people misunderstand about the Torah, aka Pentateuch, is its moral and jurisprudential rules are for Jews, not for Gentiles, which is more obvious if you study the Talmud and other works in the Judaic canon. Abrahamism, specifically Judaism and Islam, has many rules governing how adherents must treat other adherents and how they may treat non-adherents. There are very often two distinct standards. Jews, Muslims and sometimes Christians will cite scripture to demonstrate X or Y without either realising that any particular rule is only for the in-group, or will lie by omission by leaving out the pertinent context that shows the double standards of Abrahamism. Judaism was never intended to be a widespread ideology, but specifically an ideology for Jews. Judaic ideological architecture was extended to Christianity and Islam mostly as an ideological tool to control regional societies and provide structural societal advantages to the Jewish diaspora. Islam particularly has been long-weaponized to use Islamic populations as the footsoldiers of Abrahamism, allowing Jews to orchestrate and target Islam's followers to achieve Jewish geopolitical goals. The British Empire and the Anglo-American Establishment (Judeo-Anglo-American Establishment) has also puppeteered Islam's adherents for geopolitical purposes for a long time too. Most recently the Islamics have been targeted at Westerners. The issue of a God/s existence is separate from the issue of ideology as a weapon and a societal control system. If you study comparative religion, history and anthropology you'll see the political and economic motivations behind the deployment of religious ideology. None of this disproves God/s.
Baruch 4:5-12,27-29 5 Take courage, my people, who perpetuate Israel’s name! 6 It was not for destruction that you were sold to the nations, but you were handed over to your enemies because you angered God. 7 For you provoked the one who made you by sacrificing to demons and not to God. 8 You forgot the everlasting God, who brought you up, and you grieved Jerusalem, who reared you.
The 28 of Aug will mark the anniversary of the most important speech in the history of this nation. I was there and I heard it. Dr. Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream" speech, a passionate, powerful plea for justice and an end to racial segregation which was the equal of slavery. In his speech he made many biblical references and at the end he cried "free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, free at last". Unless you're qualified to dispute MLK, his words in that speech showed the Bible to be no friend of slavery.
@AnonYmous-yj9ib And it is your unbiased opinion that those verses apply to us today? I've pointed out already that those people most affected by prejudice and racism see inspiration in the Bible for the furtherance of equality and freedom. The images of God leading Moses out of slavery into the promised land completely overwhelms your viewpoint. Read the words spoken by Dr. King 60 years ago: "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
@@maryeverett2266 We can know the Bible opposes slavery, not just from what the Bible says but by observing the effect of the Bible on slaves (victims of rascism) and slave-holders (racists). Dr. King had academic credentials by way of his doctorate but more importantly knew both the oppressed and the oppressors.
This seems like it consistently comes up. Could you go a little deeper as to how we know the Exodus verse is speaking about Israelites, rather than these just being opposed positions that are both contained within the Bible?
It’s twisted cause the Bible was talking about a contract it was like having someone work for u for some amount of years but the Bible prohibited that they shud be treated bad they had to be treated with respect and care never to be whipped or killed or treated bad so after working for that amount of time they become free..but some evil people twisted the Bible but that was not the intention of God
A complete ignorance on the part of the owner of the channel. It's to say that God or the Bible condones the sin because it was in the garden of eden and throughout the whole Bible. Slavery was part of all every day life and wasn't about to condone it or not but rather specific rules were given how go about it and to be moral and gracious. With no slavery now people treat their employees or whoever under with disrespect and sometimes brutality. So clearly it's not a matter of if officially slavery abolished or not . And it's clearly euphemism that we have bosses and employees. That's just tough the very thin layer of the surface only... so ideologically the Bible and God are against any sort or form or type or disguise of slavery, CLEARLY!
So no adultery which was common but slaverys ok dumb comment god could if banned it if he wanted to leviticus states you may inherit slaves from your parents it says you may not make an Israelite a slave for life but not the slaves you buy from the nations around you
Also nonsense: a failed huckster and conman in early America stumbles upon some golden tablets that happen to be the word of God, an angel shows up to translate for him so he can write it down, but of course he's the only one to ever see or be in the presence of these tablets..
Not familiar with that story as it isn't in the Bible and scripture didn't show up in America. The earliest biblical manuscripts predate any other religions manuscripts. Today's Bible is comparable to the original manuscripts even though so many copies exist. Mormons on the other hand have a very similar scripture to what you are talking about. Rather than historical evidence proving scripture correct, it is all based on the word of one man who claims to be the sole carrier of Gods word.
Luckily, the constitution forbids enslavement and indentured servitude except in convicted criminals, in all 50 states and territories of the United States. 13th amendment.
It's still not a good thing that we allow prisoners to be slaves. Especially when considering the fact the criminal justice system is set up in a way to explicitly target African Americans. We never truly got rid of slavery.
@@michaelpeterson2024 morality existed before the Bible and it has existed with and outside the Bible. It will continue to exist with and outside the Bible.
@@maryarney1350there is only morality trough god and his word the bible. People defend abortion which is murder and people in the future will see how evil we were and are.
This stems from “the elder shall serve the younger” statement made by God. Ismail and Esau, the elder brothers to Isaac and Jacob, founded the heathen nations and the Israelites were allowed to buy slaves from these nations as they served the Israelites.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
That dude is ignoring much more of the bible than he is quoting. And they could have Israelites as slaves. And even telling you how to keep them forever.
The seeds of the emancipation of slaves are in the Bible, which teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27), which condemns those who kidnap and sell a person (Exodus 21:16; cf. 1 Timothy 1:8-10), and which shows that a slave can truly be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16).
The Bible clearly teaches that God is a slave owner of all creatures. Period. The kind of slavery that entails is often wise and kind when a person is a loyal, obedient and submissive friend of God, but they are still God’s slaves. Even Jesus, the royal Son of God, is a slave of God, though Jesus owns other slaves.
@@J.Hudson1516God hates the worship of False God's. I learned that my self. 😂😂 For the better tho. I did it to my self with my own free will just like everybody else. God let me know these other people are very nasty and deep down have bad intentions for me. It's like you have all the children in the world. But only some listen and act right. You would punish your children to get them to learn. Babying people get them no where except where they are or worse, they fall into what they do deeper. You go to a brother and tell them you are wrong and you have a chance to help them. You go to a brother and say your going through a hard time and x,y, and z. Your gonna be OK and your not wrong your just this and that. Well they are gonna do it again and again. Love isn't sun shine and rainbows. Love is stern. Does your mother love you when you let's you go shoot others and tell you it's because you had a hard life. And dosent punish you. Does a mother love you when she calls the cops and tells them my child has been shooting his gun at people. And has a deep talk with you about your actions.
@@J.Hudson1516 Notice how slaves were all people back in the day. Way before the slavery of the days we know mostly about. But I promise God dosent promote slavery. The abolishment of slaves were done by 3% of the population 99% of that 3% were Christians who were really in the Word Of God. Christians are the reason slavery dosent exist today. And that's just me being honest. Not trying to be cocky or prove anything or any of that. If you read alot about the abolishment of slavery you will understand that deeply, and the impacts it had on the whole world even non religious, and non Christians. Many seen slavery but said nothing and didn't really believe it was wrong or didn't care enough to do anything about it. But Christians who knew the Word knew it was wrong and fought years for it despite getting no where for a long time.
The bible DOES condone slavery at various times just as it condones war at various times. Neither of these things are good or achievable in a grand plan based on all of the other commandments we are given and all of the other things we are told to do by Jesus. I dont think people should harm one another, but if someone attacks, you id say attack them back and hit them to protect yourself. Sometimes bad things are done for necessary or good reasons. The bible does not think we should have slaves.
Sounds like ...hmmm... in theory... However, I guess I'd have to say that since America is predominantly mixed up and mixed heavily it is, slavery might look a lot differently then one would imagine today. Old recipes have changed over time and Naturally, new recipes may include ingredients such as self-defense. ;) Maybe.... instead.... we should focus on the love parts.
Leviticus 19:33-34 33 If a stranger dwell in your land, and abide among you, do not upbraid him: 34 But let him be among you as one of the same country: and you shall love him as yourselves: for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.@@Jeewanu216
@@Jeewanu216Ezekiel 47:22 (ESV) states: "You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel." This verse is part of a larger passage in the book of Ezekiel describing the division of the land among the twelve tribes of Israel. It emphasizes the inclusive nature of the inheritance, extending it to both the native-born children of Israel and the sojourners residing among them. The idea is to treat those living among the Israelites as equal participants in the distribution of land. "Sojourners" in biblical terms typically refer to foreigners or strangers residing in a land temporarily. These individuals are not native to the place where they are living but are there for various reasons such as travel, work, servant/slave or seeking refuge. The concept of treating sojourners justly and integrating them into the community is often emphasized in biblical teachings, promoting hospitality and fairness in their treatment. The verse from Ezekiel 47:22 underscores the idea that sojourners, along with native-born individuals, should share in the inheritance and be considered as part of the community.
It’s doesn’t say forever. Only if they have their children involved. They are supposed to release them after 7 years and give them things to set them up.
My, how ignorant Christians are of their own scriptures! Leviticus 25:46 "And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever"
@@davidm5707 Jesus did talk about sexuality in general though. Jesus stated, “At the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh[.]’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate” (Matthew 19:4-6). Jesus condemned all sin. Go re read the gospels
Deuteronomy 28:25 25 The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. The major Atlantic slave trading (7) nations, in order of trade volume, were Portugal, Britain, Spain, France, the Netherlands, the United States, and Denmark.
Exodus 21:16 (NIV) states: "Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession." This verse in the book of Exodus strongly condemns the act of kidnapping and prescribes a severe penalty-capital punishment-for those engaged in such a crime. It reflects a moral stance against human trafficking and the unlawful taking of individuals.
@@h3fan725 Leviticus 25 44 is about voluntary servitude and Leviticus 21 20 is about certain physical conditions that were considered disqualifications for serving as a priest under the Old Testament law in ancient Israel 🇮🇱
Why would somebody paying off the debt, being your ownership and inherited property and can be inherited by your children and be a slave for life? That’s not voluntary you’re so convinced you have to defend this thing that you’re willing to jump hoops around this clearly bad moral issue@@Doctor_Fate5
This is taken way out of context. Yes, Indentured servatude was condoned and still is today, No, slavery on the other hand (specifically holding someone against their will and into forced labor), is 100% condemed in the bible. Both fellow hebrews and foreigners. That same book you quoted from says you MAY purchase an indentured servant and they are to be treated as you would yourself and forced to be free in the year of Jubilee regardlesd if they want to stay or not. Heres some verses this demon won't share for you. Leviticus 19:33-34 33“ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. Deutoronomy 10:18-19 18He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. 19And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. Deutoronomy 23:15-16 15If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them. Exodus 21:16 16“He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death. Do some research folks before watching a short clip and start shaking your fist at God when he never condoned Slavery. Then me say this one last time. Indentured servatude, is DIFFERENT Than what you think of as todays definition of Slavery. Remember the term "Indentured Servants" did not exist in the Hebrew language at about 3,500 years ago. This is just common sense at this point. You just got to use your brain ✝️🙏
The Hebrew Bible only applies to other Hebrews, Hebrews do not have to have to follow the rules when it comes to gentiles. Just like Christian Bible rules only apply to other Christians, like when the church outlawed things, it was only for use against other Christians. Things such as slavery and crossbows, where not to be used for Christians but on Christians it saw ok.
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“I have proof that in the US you cannot own a car.”
shows law where it is illegal to steal a car
Think critically for a moment. “If a man steals a car and sells it, or is found in possession of a stolen car, he shall be punished” (Exodus 21:16, CAR Version).
“I have proof that In the US you cannot own a STOLEN car”. There, fixed it for ya. 🤦♂️
Now ask yourself: if: if I can neither steal and sell, nor buy stolen goods, does that mean I cannot buy or sell at all? Now consider Leviticus 25:44-46 which @maklelan quoted. Who’s doing the “selling”. Hint: check out the Irish immigration to America during the potato famine. But what do I know? You people are the Bible scholars.
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@@JhutaNabi So why did Christians practise slavery for 1865 years?
@@JhutaNabi Buying the slaves isn't forbidden. Stealing people and selling slaves is. The bible condones slavery, tells you the punishment for killing your slave within three days of the beating, says you can sell yourself into slavery to pay a debt, says if the man who sells himself has a wife and she pleases you can keep her, etc. Get over it, the bible condones slavery.
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1. Do you know what "selling yourself into slavery" means? Indentured labor, which is practiced LEGALLY throughout the world today. Which country or region do you come from? Tell me and I'll prove to you that your nation/government has legalized indentured servitude in one form or another TODAY!
2. The Bible recognizes that no one can stop someone from choosing to become a servant. And no one will "sell" themselves unless there is no other way out of their trouble. But the Bible (God's Law) seeks to protect and regulate things to keep weak, poor and defenseless people from being oppressed. Regulation does not mean approval!
3. Now, what does the Bible say about the involuntary and forcible enslaving of a person? "Now one who kidnaps someone, whether he SELLS him or he is FOUND IN HIS POSSESSION, shall CERTAINLY be PUT TO DEATH" (Exodus 21:15). So, if you kidnapped someone and sold him, or you bought and own a kidnapped person, you are to be put to death by the law of the Hebrews. If this law had been enacted in the West 200 years ago, there would have been no trans0-atlatic slavery. And in Moses', time 3,500 years ago, slaves were treated more humanely than in the West, 200 years ago. And you people call the West "civilized"?
4. Here is the law in the Bible concerning escaped slaves. “You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, IN A PLACE THAT HE CHOOSES in one of YOUR TOWNS WHERE IT PLEASES HIM, YOU SHALL NOT MISTREAT him" (Deuteronomy 23:15-16). In other words, God decreed that an escaped slave should be protected and be able to live in safety WHEREVER he chooses. Again, how were escaped slaves treated in the West?
“Read the context!” Until it doesn’t work for the apologist, then don’t
Yet the opposite end is doing the exact same thing? They are literally both just interpreting it a different way. Are you implying that this guy is the most knowledgeable person in the world and only one who is right on the topic?
@@MNZGamin absolutely not. But I often come across Christian’s claiming that context is wrong if it doesn’t fit their presuppositions. Atheists and other religions do this aswell and I think it’s important to correct anyone who may be misinformed or mischaracterizing the texts. I know Christians who under inflate the bad things in the Bible and atheists who over inflate the Bible to be bad.
@@obiwankenobi2520This is so true, Christians always ask for context when it's a controversial or immoral verse.
i wonder how allowing slavery for only a specific group of people is objective morality
@@leo--4341 Another question to ask is how ordering slavery is consistent with his loving nature
People need to stop cherry picking verses pertaining to "slavery" that shows what they consider "Fair" treatment to justify the idea the kind of slavery the Bible talks about
I noticed people definitely leave out the verses where the owner can beat their slave as long as you don't off them
That if someone sold their daughter into slavery, that the daughter wouldn't be able to leave like the men do after their service is done, that she is a slave until her death
If a slave(man) is married and has children during his service to his master, that when its time for him to be free, his wife and children are not able to leave with him
He can have his family under one condition and thats if he stays a servant/slave to his master
And what happened to the Non Hebrew slaves ?
@@Bugsy0333 you going to have to be a little more specific, what happened to them in what sense?
@@SockAyeYoon Slaves for life ring a bell at all ?
All of that is old testament, which is perceived by Christians to be a story not what they should follow. You have to understand that slaves were common practice back then too, everyone of importance had slaves. What is your point though, that the bible is wrong for saying how to treat slaves?
@@Imnotagroyperyoutube of course it is the story that Christians don't wanna follow because of all of the evil and cruel things within it. Was slavery abolished in the New Testament absolutely not..
Just because something was common practice does not make it right !
Tell me what is so hard to grasp with this concept ? People are not property and one person owning another person as their property is immoral. It is evil and it is cruel. Do you agree? Yes/No ?
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood.
Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this:
Chattel slavery, the most common in American history.
However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery.
1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated.
2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16).
Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war.
In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice.
When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly.
4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim.
The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free:
Exodus 21:26-27
An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16
You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him.
Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else:
Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option.
Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later.
When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters.
If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary.
To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery.
We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
Did you even watch the video?
@@squiddwizzard8850 yep
Thank you for an excellent, educated response!
@@Doctor_Fate5 so you just didn't understand it then?
@@tonycook7679 I did
The Bible has scriptures that condone slavery, genocide, and bashing the head of your enemy's baby against a rock.
The Bible doesn’t actually condone smashing the head of your enemy’s baby against a rock. It was more so a call of revenge on the Babylonians than exiled them. It’s not in the levitical legal code.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 the Bible tells you to kill your own family if they believe in different god(Non believers)
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood.
Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this:
Chattel slavery, the most common in American history.
However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery.
1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated.
2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16).
Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war.
In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice.
When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly.
4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim.
The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free:
Exodus 21:26-27
An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16
You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him.
Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else:
Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option.
Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later.
When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters.
If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary.
To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery.
We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@Doctor_Fate5Thanks for the education Chad
@@chadp9310he lied in the first paragraph and I stopped reading it ebed means literally a salve and it’s an Arabic word
I love when Christians think if they find just one verse that says what they want, then that means all the other verses are obsolete 😂
Animal sacrifice is mentioned in the Bible do Christians do animal sacrifice also
Ok buddy keep spewing nonsense. Slavery was not condoned. It was the same as a employee and his boss.
@poodaniels That only counts towards HEBREW slaves. If they were from a foreign region, then it was slavery as usual.
@@johnnytr0uble the Biblical and Talmudic laws tended to consider slavery a form of contract between persons, theoretically reducible to voluntary slavery, unlike chattel slavery, where the enslaved person is legally rendered the personal property (chattel) of the slave owner.Hebrew slavery was prohibited during the Rabbinic era for as long as the Temple in Jerusalem is not reconstructed (i.e., the last two millennia). Although not prohibited, Jewish ownership of non-Jewish slaves was constrained by Rabbinic authorities since non-Jewish slaves were to be offered conversion to Judaism during their first 12-months term as slaves. If accepted, the slaves were to become Jews, hence redeemed immediately. If rejected, the slaves were to be sold to non-Jewish owners. Accordingly, the Jewish law produced a constant stream of Jewish converts with previous slave experience. Additionally, Jews were required to redeem Jewish slaves from non-Jewish owners, making them a privileged enslavement item, albeit temporary.
Yeah the Bible is super inconsistent and vague at times, even something as important as the core tenets of Christianity contradicts each other (faith only v.s. faith + works). Part of me thinks it was done that way on purpose, so it means whatever anyone wants it to mean- whatever’s most convenient.
The weapons grade ignorance and mental gymnastics of fundies is often breathtaking
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Pure nonsense. A liberal being happy and proud?
@@Doctor_Fate5 Your muscle and bones decay, they will be ripped and pulled by daemons for eternity.
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He didn’t educate anyone
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Neither person in this video did.
@@markwildt5728superfluous comment on your part, since @freethink was specifically referring to the tiktoker’s claim “to educate” where maklelan simply responded.
@@MikkoHereresponded incorrectly that is
Exodus 21:20-21
“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
yet people still defend slavery, not servitude, in the bible...ew.
An eye for an eye
If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the OPPRESSED FREE,
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Thanks for sharing this, Dan. Renegotiating the text is all well and good, but it is incorrect to say that the Bible doesn't condone the practice.
Why is it incorrect?
@@SpFlash1523 Because the Bible ✝️ clearly does condone it.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_CyavanaThis question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood.
Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this:
Chattel slavery, the most common in American history.
However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery.
1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated.
2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16).
Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war.
In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice.
When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly.
4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim.
The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free:
Exodus 21:26-27
An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16
You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him.
Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else:
Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option.
Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later.
When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters.
If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary.
To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery.
We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavanadid you even watch the video? The bible specifically endorses chattel slavery.
@@Doctor_Fate5 The nice slavery is only for slaves who *are bought* AND *are Hebrew.*
Plus, you can easily abuse the laws with exploits like drug addiction.
Also, the nicer form of milltary/organisational slavery, that has more oversight by nature, is made difficult by the rules.
The more you listen to people who develop their beliefs off others' words, the more you should realize they lack any depth of wisdom. Wisdom is not found in the experience you have not found yourself.
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That’s a rough road.
The best learning is to observe and learn. This may not entail having to experience things in the first person.
Was chattel slavery, condone, just for the Israelites or for every race
Also, that interpretation can also be refuted by looking at more modern contexts pertaining to the illegality of slavery.
In pre-Civil War US, kidnapping people to sell them into slavery was illegal. Yet they still had slaves because such laws only applied to kidnapping other Americans.
In ancient Israel slavery was basically an advance method of handling unpaid debt.
Nobody was permitted to keep a fellow Israelite as "slave" for more than seven years (Leviticus 25:35-55) At that point debt was annulled.
If one beat or harmed a slave, he had to be set free (Exodus 21:26)
If one came across an escaped slave, one was not supposed to return him (Deuteronomy 22:28).
That rule only applied to Israelites, not gentiles.
That's not true at all
not true@@jcbl62
Leviticus 25:44-46 is the very definition of chattel slavery
@@ruffdawgg And so is Gensis with Canaan
Hard to believe all the lies I was told in church, Sunday School, Bible studies…not maliciously but, by people who blindly trusted they had been taught “the truth.” Thank you for setting the record straight by explaining the actual truth of what was written by men in this errant book.
Read the entire Bible then you will know
Need to read the bible, then you Will see the real story, what is being said here is wrong
This question is tricky to answer because of the negative connotation associated with the concept of slavery. Slavery mentioned in the Bible is much different than how we would think of it today. In fact, I don't think "Slave" is the correct term to describe what's going on in the Bible. A more accurate term would be "Indentured servant”. The Hebrew term translated to slave is ebed, coming from the root abad which implies payed servanthood.
Usually, when people today think of slavery, they think of this:
Chattel slavery, the most common in American history.
However, there are several key differences between chattel slavery and Biblical slavery.
1. Ancient (Biblical) slavery was not race based. Most American slaves were African, as they were seen as “Lesser races” who were created to serve the supreme white race. Slavery in the ancient world was not hardly if ever racially motivated.
2. Slaves were not kidnapped. Chattel slaves were kidnapped from their local lands with promises of a better life and forced into slavery. However, the Bible orders the death penalty for anyone who does this (Exodus 21:16).
Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
3. Slavery was consensual. If someone was a slave, it was because they sold themselves into servitude, in exchange for food, shelter etc. The exception being prisoners of war.
In order to avoid poverty, someone in the ancient world might sell themselves as an indentured servant in exchange for food and shelter. This was common practice.
When slaves were spoken of, it was usually those who entered into servitude willingly.
4. Slaves in the Bible are given some rights. Chattel slaves had no rights and were seen as nothing more than objects of their owners, and their owners could beat and starve them to the point of death on their own whim.
The Bible forbids beating slaves, such that if an eye or even a tooth is lost to beating the slave is allowed to go free:
Exodus 21:26-27
An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
If a slave ran away, he wasn’t to be returned to his master, rather the family who he ran to is required to harbor him, and to treat him well and let him live where he chooses.
Deuteronomy 23:15-16
You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him.
Slaves are guaranteed a Sabbath say of rest, just like everyone else:
Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Note that this applies to all slaves, not just Hebrew ones. Leviticus 19:33-34 commands the Israelites to treat foreigners as they would treat locals. Leviticus 25:44-46 is often pointed to as proof that Biblical slavery allows Israelites to keep foreigners as slaves for life, whereas Hebrew slaves were to be freed after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:12). However, in context this relates to the year of Jubilee, where Hebrew slaves are allowed to return to their homelands. For a sojourner with no homeland to return to this wouldn’t be an option.
Some will point to Exodus 21:20-21 as proof that you are allowed to beat a slave, so long as the slave doesn’t die, without punishment. However the Hebrew term used here to refer to punishment is naqam, which specifically refers to the death penalty. If you beat a slave but he is able to stand up fully within two days, you shouldn’t be executed for it. However the slave will still be released, as per verses 26 and 27 just a few verses later.
When slave owners wanted to keep slaves submissive, they would give them an altered version of the Bible known as the Slave’s Bible, which cut out large portions which they felt could possibly entice slaves to be disobedient to their masters.
If the Bible completely supported slavery this wouldn’t be necessary.
To conclude, there’s a difference between not banning a practice and supporting it. The torah doesn’t ban slavery because slavery was so commonplace at the time, and because it was a symbiotic relationship, beneficial for both parties (The master receives labor, the servant receives food, land, money etc). However it calls for good treatment of slaves, and most certainly doesn’t support race-based chattel slavery.
We need to understand the role the torah played. It wasn’t meant to be a perfect moral code, but rather a compromise of sorts. It was a means to an end, meant to prepare Israel for the messianic age. Rather than straight up banning slavery, God gave guidelines on it, but this doesn’t mean he agreed with it and didn’t plan to abolish it eventually.
@@Doctor_Fate5did you even watch the video? The Bible specifically endorses chattel slavery of outsiders.
@@squiddwizzard8850 I continually see Scripture being attacked on the basis that it either endorses the practice of slavery or that it fails to explicitly denounce the practice of slavery. I’ve seen skeptics, atheists, and even self-proclaimed liberal Christians use this argument as a means to charge the Bible with immorality, irrelevance, and atrocities.
Does the Bible Endorse or Fail to Denounce Slavery?
It is a mistake to assume the Bible doesn’t condemn slavery and if such an assertion is to be made, it deserves careful and critical examination.
First off, the word “slavery” as it occurs throughout the Bible refers to a wide spectrum of servitude from “leasing” ones service where both parties enter into the agreement willingly to situations that far more resembled slavery as we know it in this country. Biblically, the word “slavery” refers to a wide range of stuff from servitude to outright slavery.
I believe there is sufficient evidence that the Bible condemns the latter forms of atrocious slavery. First, consider the plagues that fell upon the Egyptians for refusing to free God’s people from forced, atrocious slavery. Of all the slavery portrayed in the Bible, the Egyptians rule over the Hebrews can certainly be compared to the racial slavery we experienced in our country. In this situation, I think God made it evident He condemned such a heinous act. Extracting the Hebrew people, as lowly as they were seen in the eyes of the Egyptian people, establishing them as God’s chosen ones, and pouring curses out on the Egyptians was as definitive a statement as God could have made. Certainly, any sane person can deduce that God is not in favor of such forms of slavery.
Couple this situation with the following verses:
“Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16).
“But we know that the law is good, provided one uses it legitimately. We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching” (1 Timothy 1:8-10).
The word “kidnappers” in the above passage is alternately translated as “man-stealers” or “enslavers” depending on the translation you are using. These verses when juxtaposed with the Hebrew slavery in Egypt clearly reveals that God does not condone or endorse the heinous, forced, and atrocious forms of slavery. Period. In fact, suggesting God endorses such acts does Him and His Word an injustice and reveals a poor working knowledge of Scripture.
Now this brings us to the more mild forms of slavery (where both parties entered into the agreement willingly). In these situations God’s Word speaks into the hearts of both slave and slave-owner. The method God’s Word uses to initiate social reform in this case is to speak into the hearts of individuals. Social change occurs one conversion at a time in the heart of believers. With this is mind, examine the following verses:
For the slave master: Ephesians 6:9, “And masters, treat your slaves the same way, without threatening them, because you know that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.”
For the slave: 1 Peter 2:19-20, “For it brings favor if, mindful of God’s will, someone endures grief from suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if you sin and are punished, and you endure it? But when you do what is good and suffer, if you endure it, this brings favor with God.”
In the culture of the New Testament, slavery was engrained. So the writers of the New Testament encouraged social reform one heart at a time. When this is taken into account, no form of “Christian slavery” would resemble what comes to our mind when we hear the word slavery. Consider Paul’s interaction with the slave Onesimus.
In the first chapter of Philemon, Paul writes that Onesimus is “no longer a slave, but more than a slave” (v.16). He refers to Onesimus as his “son” (v. 10). In verse 17, Paul encourages Philemon (the master) to receive Onesimus as a partner in Christ just as he would Paul himself. Paul even goes as far as to assume any debts or charges that Onesimus may have built up against Philemon (v. 18)!
Does any of Paul’s words resemble the heinous, atrocious images that we associate as Americans with slavery? Paul is encouraging social reform by appealing to the hearts of both Onesimus and Philemon. In no way is he “endorsing slavery” as skeptics suggest.
When Scripture is examined, the Christian can take confidence that neither God, nor His Word, “endorses” the heinous and atrocious act of slavery or human trafficking. We can stand on God’s Word when we oppose such practices and when we do, we will glorify God in the process.
Dan, I see such an honest approach to the Bible from you, which is refreshing. But I don’t understand how you can recognize that God explicitly endorsed chattel slavery, and still worship him. What is the rationale there?
So does that mean since we were considered foreigners we are not the isrealites?
This guy does not know what the word condone means. Simply put, if god allows it.. by definition of the word he condones it.
You don't really know what God allows, since humans wrote the Bible and they can just throw in whatever they want to suit rich people needs. 😂
I just think it's VERY intelligent and PURE evil people that wrote it in there. THE SEEDS OF THE DEVIL or....... there's something in your DNA.
Absolutely not. God gave us all freedom of will. He condones your freedom to be noble or wicked. And your choices will be judged.
@cjlovick that is not what the bible teaches. Free will and the doctrine of original sin are not compatible. Read the first 3 chapters of romans. Ephesians 1. 1 John. If free will exists in Christianity how does the doctrine of sanctification work? Or the doctrines of pre-destination and divine election? You don't know your book son.
It's really fucking annoying when Christians don't even know the book they claim to believe in.
@@mdm123196 You're confused. You don't know the book, son. Keep studying and pray for understanding.
If free will didn't exist, how could Satan fall along with the other angels who fell with him? If they were programmed to follow God, they would have been incapable of not following God.
How could Adam and Eve disobey the Most High if free will didn't exist? Disobedience wouldn't be in the programming.
How could God judge us for our sins if free will didn't exist? The sins wouldn't be ours. They would be His sins because He programmed us to do them.
Where there is no free will, there is no judgment or accountability.
Why give the Jews laws when you can program them not to sin?
You give people laws when they have the freedom to choose. Just like we have the freedom to choose God or reject Him.
Nothing in the first three chapters of Romans, Eph 1 or 1 John indicates we do not have free will.
What's annoying is someone coming in loud, ignorant, and foul, not knowing what they're talking about.
Back then slavery and owning slaves where just part of life, it wasn't a taboo to owm a person, in 2000 years if technology improves people could look at normal working conditions of today's most cushy jobs and think "how barbaric"
So you are basically saying that God is affected by 'times' as well then? Sure he laid all the rules about treatment of the enslaved peoples when he could stop it.
@@slicusdadon did not say anything about God, said stuff about slavery.
@@hjalmarthehelmetmanThe bible is the word of god though isnt it...?
To compare a difficult job to the barbarism of slavery is highly offensive and absolutely racist. Slaves didn't have the opportunity to "quit" and go somewhere else freely. Anybody that doesn't like their job can quit, work somewhere else, or strart their own business. The only way slavery makes sense is when people 'reach' like this statement. Comparing apples and pillows.
@d.a.5912 your going to have to explain to me how this is racist. Every single race on earth has been slaves and has sold slaves. And in here in Africa the slave trade is still active. And no comparing slavery to modern jobs through the perspective af a culture a thousand years in the future is not like comparing apples to pillows.
*lets the video play for 2 seconds of what the man was going to say then gives his point for the rest of the video without even hearing the rest of the man’s video* 🙃👍🏽
When did the definition of "Christian" come to mean "Douchebag"?
According to the Romans, that was in 1AD.
Since Heretics
Broly doesn’t know what chattel slavery means 🤦♂️
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Good content. Keep em coming.
God doesn't want slaves or else we would be
The Bible literally says we are God's slaves.
@@cygnusustus( Galatians 4)
Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father." So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir. Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
@@cygnusustus what was that again??
@@gabbygood6813
The Bible literally says we are God's slaves.
@@cygnusustus did you read Galatians 4? If you were God's slave then you literally would not have a choice but to worship Him. Do you understand how logic works??
Dan McClellan, please check this:
Exodus 21:16 (see also Deuteronomy 24:7) prohibits *stealing* _(gnb)_ a male or having a *stolen* male “in hand”. Slaves were property, so taking one’s property was not stealing.
“Kidnapping” is a problematic translation to our 21st C culture that does not have open chattel slavery. In Exodus 21:16, Yahweh had just finished codifying some aspects of slavery, so clearly slavery was *legal,* whereas Exo 21:16 applied only to *illegal* captures. An example of legal capture (maybe the most common one by far) occurred during wartime, regardless of who the aggressor was. (See Numbers 33:17-18)
Problematic because we think of all the aspects of modern day kidnapping and might try to retro for those into the original text - a bad way of translating
If Exodus 21:16 is only about Israelites as Dan says, then maybe “kidnapping” is a better translation as Israelite slaves are usually not called property.
@@cmar6461 That doesn’t address the reasons I gave why kidnapping is a bad translation.
The Bible does treat slaves as property, at least once explicitly labelling hem so: Exodus 21:20-21 If you beat your slave and the slave doesn’t die within a few says, there is no punishment, because the slave is your silver (money).
There are several verses where we can see that the slaves’ children automatically became property of the master.
@@scienceexplains302 The OT has rules regarding two types of slaves: Israelite debt servants and chattel slaves. The former were to be set free after seven years whereas the latter were considered property. I believe Dan has videos on it. In this video and in others Dan says that this verse is about kidnapping Israelites (I am very interested in hearing from him why scholars believe that). He also specifically refers to the foreign slaves as property.
@@cmar6461 So we three agree that the Bible sees servants as property. I am not sure if there is any difference between Israelites and foreigners other than the duration - the 7 years.
Yes, McClellan said “kidnapping” for a specific purpose in a very short video. I am going deeper into the meaning of qnh. Using “steal” instead of “kidnap” is closer to the original meaning given the context and other uses of the word.
it say kidnapped but u can still buy em lol
Nah, it says you can only enslave an Israelite/Judean if he/she owes you money. You then have to set them free after 7 years unless you marry them off to another one of your slaves then you get to keep them and their children as long as your evil heart desires.
@@letsomethingshine Leviticus 25 44-46 , say u lying and yes Israelites need to be free but only male slaves wife amd kids stays urs if u have him wife
@@letsomethingshine also show where does it say if they owes u money show me that verse take all day
@@letsomethingshinestop lying
@@Doctor_Fate5respect you brother. Glad to see brothers in the word.
Ima get like you one day bro.
Check out the channel abolishment rising.
Got me believing after very bad times and horrible people I use to follow.
He has a great video about an hour long called "if you aren't an abolishment today you wouldn't be an abolishment of slavery yesterday" or something like that.
Really really woke me up.
The imperfect mosaic law was established so as to bring about a nation that Jesus could come from, or in other words, god allowed slavery because if he didn’t it would have resulted in less people receiving the gospel and thus more suffering in the world.
Also, the treatment of slaves by the Israelites was revolutionary for its time as no other culture even had laws related to punishing slave owners for poor treatment.
if you bought slave, you are now in possession of that person. they are your possession. Sold as property
Why do they always wear a backwards baseball cap?
Unlike other nations, including the United States, the Israelites spelled out rights that slaves had. Masters had to pay reparations to slaves whom they'd mistreated, or in some cases set them free.
Which still doesn't make it right. Yet at that point in history nobody could yet conceive of a society without slavery. The Bible keeps a record of our spiritual evolution; not everything in it is ideal. But just as we had to pass through a phase of "eye for an eye justice" (if somebody pokes out your eye, at least refrain from killing him) to "turning the other cheek", we had to go through a mitigation of slavery before we recognized that we're better off without it.
Where in the bible are there laws on paying reparations to the slave?
@@howlrichard1028 In Exodus 21 if a master injured a slave's eye or knocked out a tooth, he had to set the slave free. Later on the law allowed the master to pay a fine to the slave instead, if the slave agreed. (I seem to recall other parts of the Bible referring to other rights as well, but I can't find them right now.)
It's not humans that made the rules but the creator of the almighty universe? Now you're telling me that that almighty God was so puny as to not be able ti just tell people to stop owning othe people as property? The same God that prohibited polyester, shellfish and collecting sticks on the Sabbath?
@@mobilegamereviewer.1936 Polyester wasn't invented yet. You're thinking of the ritual taboo against blended fabrics. And it's not a matter of puniness but patience. God had to phase people into understanding what needed done, step by step, so that they could truly understand it.
In fact, the ritual restrictions that you described were part of the process of getting the people's mindset headed in a direction that would make spiritual evolution possible. The blended fabric taboo was a mental habit to get them to think of themselves, too, as separate from other nations, so that stronger cultures wouldn't overpower theirs. The taboo against doing any kind of work on the Sabbath was to break them free of the slave mentality imposed on them in Egypt, where they had no days off, and instructing them to give their own slaves a weekly day off, too, underlined the principle that these were human beings, no different from themselves, who had human rights--a concept later expanded on as we outgrew slavery.
The shellfish taboo is an exception; a practical rule for a people who at that time didn't yet have a Mediterranean coast and would have had to eat imported shellfish, which was a bad idea without refrigeration.
You beat me to it
Why just those
2 verses. Just keep reading.
Any of his family can redeem the bondsman. Or, if he be able, he can redeem himself.
It’s not chattel slavery. It’s indentured servitude. There’s a difference.
I’m sure that’s why this is a short.
As state in the video, that's only true for Israelites.
@@howlrichard1028he should follow his own advice and read more of his own fables.
oh, shut up! the bible says your only punishment for permanently destroying a slave's eye from a beating is that the slave goes free, and that you can beat the crap out of your slaves and you will not receive any punishment if the slave recovers after a day or two because the slave is your property!
this is why the christian slave masters in the south had no problem whipping the hell out of their black slaves.
Ahh yes, permanent indentured servitude, totally not chattel slavery. 😂 I don't think the ancient Hebrew allows you to split hairs like this my brother in Christ.
@@metaleggman18 the bible literally supports chattel slavery.
"And as for your male and female *slaves* whom you may have--from the nations that are around you, from them you may -*-buy-*- male and female -*-slaves.-*- Moreover you may -*-buy-*- the -*-children-*- of the strangers who dwell among you, and their -*-families-*- who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall -*-become your property.-*- And you may take them as an -*-inheritance-*- for your children after you, to inherit them as a -*-possession;-*- they shall be your -*-permanent slaves.-*- But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor." -- Leviticus 25: 44-46.
i don't know why some christians keep saying slavery was all indentured servitude, when Leviticus clearly proves that chattel (permanent) slavery was allowed.
The slaves should obey their Master
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The reason why ask for the definition is because as I mentioned in my original comment Trent horn was
just telling you that not all slavery is bad in other words slavery In it of itself is not evil? Do you agree or disagree?
I’m not the one comparing and saying modern prison is modern slavery as a matter a fact I disagree with that and I think they should forced prisoners to work and not even paid them, I even did a powerpoint for school talking about the morality of forced labor for the prisoners here’s a video were I mostly got my ideas by Trent horn, ua-cam.com/video/Vm-RUWHp8pg/v-deo.htmlsi=FBLWoIDIMZOG5VXa
And once again I’m not the one comparing slavery to prison labor or 9to5 jobs I’m just telling you that’s what some people think and that’s what’s part of their definition and that’s why I ask you is your definition the correct one or is that nothing more and nothing less than your personal opinion? Just answer my questions and if you agree give me your opinion on what slavery is and I will respond. And fyi just cause it’s different it doesn’t mean it’s not slavery that why I mentioned if there are types of slavery. And just so you know I actually don’t think there’s anything wrong with that type of supposedly chattel slavery the guy in the video said.
In regards to your Deuteronomy verses to be honest with I’m not going to respond to Deuteronomy 22:28-29 because you are a grown adult and you know better and to be honest if I do I will be casting my pearls into the pigs but I will repond to
Deuteronomy 21:9-14 10-14
When you go to war against your enemies and God, your God, gives you victory and you take prisoners, and then you notice among the prisoners of war a good-looking woman whom you find attractive and would like to marry, this is what you do: Take her home; have her trim her hair, cut her nails, and discard the clothes she was wearing when captured. She is then to stay in your home for a full month, mourning her father and mother. Then you may go to bed with her as husband and wife. If it turns out you don’t like her, you must let her go and live wherever she wishes. But you can’t sell her or use her as a slave since you’ve humiliated her.
For starters I’m going to just layout 2 bible verses that clearly refute your claim of sex slaves(force sex)
Penalty for rapist
Deuteronomy 22: 25
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
Mirrage law
1 Corinthians 7:4-5
4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.
5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Here’s is a video that will go more on depth in regards to rape punishments and sex laws.
www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html
Know I understand that deutrenomy 21:10-14 speaks about mirage and sex and the soil Dee taking the captive as his wife but my question to you is where does it say that he can forced her to have sex?
Clearly if you can’t answer this or proove this than you will just have to admit that your claim that deuteronomy 21:10-14 condones sex slavery is something you believe by faith and not because you have proof. And also fyi one of the most important things when it comes to interpreting the Bible and something that is not a rule for many other books is that you should not think more than what has been written.
1 Corinthians 4:6 NIV
Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
In regards to biblical slavery I honestly don’t know what the Bible stand is on slavery, because there are only two types of stands when it comes to biblical slavery the first one is that it was moral and good and the second one is that slavery was not moral and neither Gods ideal and nor did he accept it as something righteous but rather for some good reason God decided to regulated kind of like when it came to divorce when it was allowed because of man’s Hearten hearts despite God saying that what he unites no man should seperate.
Here is a link of some videos I gathered to help me figure out which is the Bible stand on slavery, in these videos you will see two types of Christian’s one that defends slavery as something that was moral and one that defends slavery as something that was not Gods ideal nor condoned.
ua-cam.com/play/PLz5QmaFu4KYmwsWiPoL39aVLQtUTBdrWx.html&si=Jy8-os2i-VZ-yjXM
Love the bizzarro t shirt!
Paul referred to himself as a slave of Christ!
'Explicitly chattle slavery' are you saying it specifically says only chattel slavery is allowed or condoned?
Indentured servitude was allowed for jewish slaves and it lasted 7 years with some caveats. Gentile slaves were free game and forever enslaved.
I have a different approach as to when considering what was and was not allowed in the OT law and comes from Jesus's deeper understanding of mosaic Law : "He said to them, Moses, because of your hardness of heart, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so." (Matthew 19:8).
So, God did allowed things but in the beginning has not being so.
Maybe God allowed some form of slavery, but in the beginning it has not being so. It is because of your hardened hearts.
I take that you think God endorses divorce, also ¿am I correct?
It’s not the same slavery as we know it today!
This guy has misunderstood or is acting in a deceitful manner
did you not watch the video
@@iKooy17 yes slavery is not an intrinsic evil like say abortion! We practice slavery today in different forms, prison, military conscription, etc.. he should know the intellectual Christian response
@@sensusfidelium9510 slavery is defined as a person owning someone, prison and conscription are very different. are you not saying that buying people for your own gain is good?
@@iKooy17 you are taking
The modern definition and applying it to the past!
Your whole premise is wrong
@@iKooy17 CROSS
Slavery & The Bible
- OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion)
- Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1
Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT
- Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28)
- Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18)
- Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
Slavery was allowed, regulated, and legislated for. In this context, I would argue this is separate from condoning, since God certainly does not view slavery as a moral practice. You may interpret God allowing slavery, while finding it immoral, to be condoning it; this is fine, but quite misleading. This should be clarified, however, if you find it to be condoning because you think God finds slavery to be moral as long as you adhere to His guidelines, then you are mistaken.
No , it is also condoning.
God is actually a slave owner of everyone from Jesus down to all other creatures.
@@XX-qf5zj This seems like a very unbased comment
If god found it immoral, he would prohibit it.
@@thomaswillard6267 Nope. Read Scripture bro. Jesus said God did the same thing with divorce.
Allowed and regulated means condoned
What people don’t realize is that the world had become so corrupted that God had to start making sense out of everything. He never intended for people to be enslaved but since they did it anyone he had to bring some type of order to it.
an all knowing god did something that he didnt intend to? that is a contradiction
@@cloakedsquidNot just that, but an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good god did not know the people he could not control would do evil...
@@thomaswillard6267he knew exactly it would happen, but still chose to go through with it out of love for the worthy.
Many who see this will choose blindness & deafness over utilizing the tools afforded us (eyes, ears, brain) as humans to discern truth over empty, robotic dogma. But a few of us won't and we really appreciate you, Doctor! ❤
I have crossed reference all verses and nope it don't it addressed the reality of slavery and actually instructs them to treat them as equals
we are all slaves to something on this earth, we should focus on eternity
Just cause you think we are all "slaves" to something don't mean being property to another human is OK nor can you compare. I wouldn't want to spend eternity with an evil God that thinks slavery is just fine.
@@pyroblast3000evil God wtf are you saying LoL
@@pyroblast3000ever heard of voluntary servitude
@@Doctor_Fate5 Ever heard of Cognative dissonance?
@@pyroblast3000 do you have cognitive dissonance
Yo, homeboy just demonstrated the danger of combining ignorance and arrogance. 😅
I wonder why it’s specified that chattel slavery is only for foreigners. Is it a way for God to protect his people and to show supremacy to the nations and gods around the Israelites and throughout the ANE?
The bible 100 percent endorses/condones slavery. Anyone saying anything different is being dishonest or they are ignorant.
Wrong! Her is some proof!
Look up frank turk if you ever want the truth on this stuff!
- OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion)
- Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1
Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT
- Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28)
- Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18)
- Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
@@sensusfidelium9510its not race based, but based on nationality? This does not make it any better 😂😂😂😂
@@thiagoviana5355 exactly!
When you concur a waring nation you most likely had to inslave them so the would not counter attack later!
Slavery in its self is not evil ie
Prison ,conscription exct!
It’s how it applied
Slavery existed and the old testament made it have rules and made the slaves have rights and made them get free in the future so THANK GOD the old testament laws existed because they effected slavery for the best
This comment is absolutely insane. Do you ever just … think
@@davidpacheco7895see how you have no answer?
do YOU ever think ?@@davidpacheco7895
If I were an all powerful all knowing god I feel like I could have done better than just nudging slavery in a slightly better direction...
@@kevinwells9751 He gave us free will, we had a perfect world but we fell
If there is a book that condones my mistreatment in any form or fashion then that book could be the instrument of your demise. It is important to note that a person’s interpretation of the truth no matter the source must contend with the concept that another person’s opposite belief may cause them harm. If you are willing to die for beliefs then have at it.
Can we assume that God condones all activities that he allows? Answer, it doesn’t matter cause it happened.
I think you must also connect the enslaving foreigners to there should have not have been any foreigners left in the land. They were supposed to be driven out. However, if they stayed, they could be enslaved.
Jesus is coming. Repent and believe. He loves you
you really just won't accept anything even slightly hinting at some flaws in this book, huh?
Not gonna believe in an genocidal monster with no sense of human rights
Jesus also condoned slavery,FACTS
@@amiragreen8131 Jesus even called himself a Slave
@@amiragreen8131if slavery is oppression 👇
The phrase "I have come to set the oppressed free" is attributed to Jesus and is a reflection of his mission as presented in the New Testament. The exact wording might vary slightly based on the translation, but a similar sentiment is expressed in Luke 4:18 (NIV):
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free."
In this verse, Jesus is quoting from the book of Isaiah (Isaiah 61:1-2), and he is declaring his mission to bring spiritual and social liberation to those in need. This proclamation underscores Jesus' focus on justice, compassion, and the transformative power of his teachings.
Your understanding and interpretation are a little off. Chattel slavery is not the same as bond slavery. The Bible does neither condemn nor condone slavery but regulates it. A bondservant or slave if you prefer is a debt slave, bound by a contract of debt. Certain people in the area of that time were considered servants of God by God and were to be treated differently than the rest and were to be released from their bond by a certain time but the bond servants from among the heathens in that area could be kept. these servants or slaves if you prefer and weren't compelled to be released by any certain date, often the servants desired to stay because life was hard for many and couldn't survive on their own. They possessed the bond, they didn't own the people.
The Cannanites were not bond servants but forced slaves!
Those outside the Israelites could be bought and would be property forever, that's not a bindservant that's a slave
@@davidmcfarland8967 No, you are wrong, they never had to stay beyond the term of their debt.
Have you touched on Polygamy?
And don’t forget Philemon. God believes in property rights over liberty
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 in the Old Testament states: "Do not return their slave to their master. They may live anywhere they like and in any of your towns that seem best to them. Do not oppress them."
This verse emphasize a humane approach toward escaped slaves, allowing them to find refuge and live freely among the Israelites. The principle is one of compassion and protection for those seeking freedom from oppressive circumstances.
@@Doctor_Fate5 oddly inconsistent, isn’t it? Almost like it’s just the ramblings of ancient goat herders, and not the inspired words of God
@@davidvernon3119 why do you hate goat herders 🇮🇱
@@Doctor_Fate5 it’s just a turn of phrase.
For another hot Bible take on slavery, check out exodus 21. It is some of the most evil stuff to be found in a very evil book.
Tl;dr
* you can beat your slaves almost to death, but not to death.
* Male jewish slaves go free after 7 years (jubilee). Female jewish slaves and their children (boys and girls) are slaves for life.
* it’s ok to sell daughters into slavery, but by extension not sons.
* these rules only apply to jew-slaves. Do whatever you want to Foreign slaves.
So yeah… the god of the Bible is the god of love. (Not)
Yeah this is the content I don't want. Pressing the do not recommend button
Why? (Just asking)
Uncomfortable Biblical facts get a thumbs down. Got it.
@@nickbrasing8786 Because the Bible is a mythos held sacred by a religion, it is not a "fact" for millions. Justifying slavery and ownership through a religious text is unethical.
In other words: “I don’t like what you’re saying but I also don’t have a defense against your argument, so I’m going to pretend your argument doesn’t exist”
@@paulallenscards the 13th amendment of the constitution forbids enslavement and indentured servitude. It doesn't matter what the Bible says, referring to humans as chattel is dehumanizing and removes human and civil rights at every level. Slavery is forbidden in all 50 states and territories of the United States. There is no compromise or shine you can slap on enslavement, its disgusting.
There were many protections for slaves in Israel. If someone harmed their slave the slave was to be set free. If you killed a slave, that was the same as any other murder. While slavery may not have prohibited in every regard, saying the Bible "condones slavery" will immediately load images of the early American slave trade into people's minds, and that would be completely inaccurate. Not everything wrong was specifically written out in the old testament. One such example is when Jesus mentions that due to the hardness of the people's hearts, Moses allowed people to divorce their wives. This alone shows that there is at least one example of God managing the extent to which people sin through laws. I would argue that the mere fact that slavery goes against other core Biblical values is enough to determine that slavery as a whole was never God's design or ideal, and thus, should be rejected from any sound Biblical world view.
Your comment should've be the video
Yes, I agree there were protections for slaves in the Bible. But that doesn't mean slavery was not condoned in the Bible. By definition it was. What you seem to be arguing is that since it was different from American slavery, therefore it was the good kind of slavery? If not, why are we never told in the Bible that it's a sin? Or wrong? Lots of things are regulated in the Bible that we are also told not to do. Commanded even. But not so with slavery. Why not?
At this time , the church and the state were one entity. The church used to make the law. Because slavery was part of society, the church made law to make sure the slave rights are respected. Same thing here about prostitute. Even it is not allow in out society, there are law to protect prostitutes. Thst doesn't me it is good based on the Bible to prostitute.
@@travelerawakenings8477 Except the "Church" didn't make the law as you said. That came from God Himself. The Church only enforced God's laws. And God told the Israelites that they could own slaves, and here are the rules for that. That's the whole issue here traveler? This isn't prostitution, this is slavery. And the fact is God condoned that according to the Bible. Not the "church".
In antebellum Mississippi, maiming your slave could get you fined and or jail time. See! There were protections! American slavery wasn’t bad! Whew glad we cleared that up /S
I grew up Christian (now atheist) and im reading the full bible for the first time- I had heard slavery is condoned, but upon reading it myself, im actually ASTOUNDED at how common slavery is in the bible.
They purposely leave those two chapters in Leviticus 25 out of the argument.
What
SICKENING TO SEE SO MANY TOPICS PERTAINING TO THIS!!!
It’s not true!
Here are verse and why Bible is true and not in error, people misunderstand or mislead people to often about ot scripture! Hope this helps!
God Bless and fill your life!
Slavery & The Bible
- OT slavery was not race-based forced servitudes it was a voluntary means of working off debt (or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion)
- Slave trading is condemned in Bible (Ex. 21:16, 1
Tim 1:10): punishable by death in OT
- Teaches all are made in image of God; Slave & master equally human, protected & one in Christ (Ex 21:20, DT 23:15, Job 31:13, Gal 3:28)
- Jesus "came to setthe captives free" (Lk. 4:18)
- Bible's main goal is spiritual redemption not social reform (but redemption achieves reform)
Once again these gentile so called Christians making up their version of truth, not according to scripture.
When Christ gave the law he came to free the captives all nations were to cease and decease the practice of any type of slavery.
They were to teach LOVE to their countrymen and to the strangers.
Luke 4:18
[18]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
He also clearly gave the judgement to any nation or person that continued in the wicked practices of slavery.
Revelation 13:10
[10]He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Leviticus 25: 44-46 is a clear indication of slavery (brutal chattel slavery) being acceptable as long as it wasn’t against fellow Jews.
Matthew 5:17 Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”
He never mentioned anything about stopping slavery at any point including the slavery that was established in Leviticus.
@@gillmsnfillman1691In Matthew 5:17, Jesus is addressing his followers, emphasizing that he did not come to abolish the Law (referring to the Old Testament laws and teachings) or the Prophets. Instead, his purpose is to fulfill or complete them. This statement underscores the continuity between Jesus' teachings and the existing religious tradition of Judaism.
Jesus goes on in the following verses (Matthew 5:18-48) to elaborate on various aspects of the law, providing a deeper understanding and interpretation. He emphasizes the importance of internal righteousness, going beyond mere external observance of the law. This sets the stage for the teachings commonly known as the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus presents a more profound and transformative understanding of God's will and ethical living.
If slavery is oppression
👇
The phrase "I have come to set the oppressed free" is attributed to Jesus and is a reflection of his mission as presented in the New Testament. The exact wording might vary slightly based on the translation, but a similar sentiment is expressed in Luke 4:18 (NIV):
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free."
In this verse, Jesus is quoting from the book of Isaiah (Isaiah 61:1-2), and he is declaring his mission to bring spiritual and social liberation to those in need. This proclamation underscores Jesus' focus on justice, compassion, and the transformative power of his teachings.
In old testament
Ezekiel 47:22 states:
"You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel."
This verse is part of a larger passage in the book of Ezekiel describing the division of the land among the twelve tribes of Israel. It emphasizes the inclusive nature of the inheritance, extending it to both the native-born children of Israel and the sojourners residing among them. The idea is to treat those living among the Israelites as equal participants in the distribution of land.
"Sojourners" in biblical terms typically refer to foreigners or strangers residing in a land temporarily. These individuals are not native to the place where they are living but are there for various reasons such as travel, work, servant/slave or seeking refuge. The concept of treating sojourners justly and integrating them into the community is often emphasized in biblical teachings, promoting hospitality and fairness in their treatment. The verse from Ezekiel 47:22 underscores the idea that sojourners, along with native-born individuals, should share in the inheritance and be considered as part of the community.
It's about assimilation foreigners became Jews.
why did white people colonize so many countries in the name of religion when the bible says to just shake the dust of your shoulders if the house does not want to accept the gospel. why did white people kill in the name of religion.
I think you need to understand these laws given to the Israelites after what happend in Egypt.
Does that make god regulating slavery moral?
@@thiagoviana5355 The slavery that happened then and the slavery that happened to Black people are two very different concepts. God put that rule as a punishment against Egypt because of the terror they caused on the Israelites. Black people didn’t do anything to the British for the British to have the right to enslave them. There’s a difference with the slavery we had and the slavery in the Bible, but when people hear the word slavery, they automatically think about British colonialism.
Israel onto Egypt was justice through retaliation. British onto Black people was pure injustice.
So no that doesn’t make God regulating slavery moral because he didn’t regulate it in the first place.
@@pandz9380 Slavery is owning other people as property. That's the definition. Not just chattel slavery. Not just indentured servitude. If you own a person, you are engaging in slavery.
The bible regulates owning people as property, referring to them as their master's money that could be inherited.
Is this not slavery, a.k.a owning people as property?
Again, does god regulating slavery make it moral?
All you're doing is dismissing what the book says and bending the meaning of words as to not admit there's immoral shit there.
What people misunderstand about the Torah, aka Pentateuch, is its moral and jurisprudential rules are for Jews, not for Gentiles, which is more obvious if you study the Talmud and other works in the Judaic canon.
Abrahamism, specifically Judaism and Islam, has many rules governing how adherents must treat other adherents and how they may treat non-adherents. There are very often two distinct standards.
Jews, Muslims and sometimes Christians will cite scripture to demonstrate X or Y without either realising that any particular rule is only for the in-group, or will lie by omission by leaving out the pertinent context that shows the double standards of Abrahamism.
Judaism was never intended to be a widespread ideology, but specifically an ideology for Jews. Judaic ideological architecture was extended to Christianity and Islam mostly as an ideological tool to control regional societies and provide structural societal advantages to the Jewish diaspora.
Islam particularly has been long-weaponized to use Islamic populations as the footsoldiers of Abrahamism, allowing Jews to orchestrate and target Islam's followers to achieve Jewish geopolitical goals.
The British Empire and the Anglo-American Establishment (Judeo-Anglo-American Establishment) has also puppeteered Islam's adherents for geopolitical purposes for a long time too. Most recently the Islamics have been targeted at Westerners.
The issue of a God/s existence is separate from the issue of ideology as a weapon and a societal control system. If you study comparative religion, history and anthropology you'll see the political and economic motivations behind the deployment of religious ideology. None of this disproves God/s.
Baruch 4:5-12,27-29
5 Take courage, my people,
who perpetuate Israel’s name!
6 It was not for destruction
that you were sold to the nations,
but you were handed over to your enemies
because you angered God.
7 For you provoked the one who made you
by sacrificing to demons and not to God.
8 You forgot the everlasting God, who brought you up,
and you grieved Jerusalem, who reared you.
Jews were made slaves too in Exodus 21.
Hahaha yea thanks for putting that to rest.
The 28 of Aug will mark the anniversary of the most important speech in the history of this nation. I was there and I heard it.
Dr. Martin Luther King gave his "I have a dream" speech, a passionate, powerful plea for justice and an end to racial segregation which was the equal of slavery. In his speech he made many biblical references and at the end he cried "free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, free at last".
Unless you're qualified to dispute MLK, his words in that speech showed the Bible to be no friend of slavery.
@AnonYmous-yj9ib And it is your unbiased opinion that those verses apply to us today? I've pointed out already that those people most affected by prejudice and racism see inspiration in the Bible for the furtherance of equality and freedom. The images of God leading Moses out of slavery into the promised land completely overwhelms your viewpoint.
Read the words spoken by Dr. King 60 years ago: "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
What were King’s qualifications to know that the Bible was supposedly against slavery?
@AnonYmous-yj9ib The Ten Commandments are instantiations of the Law of Christ which replaced the Law of Moses.
@@maryeverett2266 We can know the Bible opposes slavery, not just from what the Bible says but by observing the effect of the Bible on slaves (victims of rascism) and slave-holders (racists). Dr. King had academic credentials by way of his doctorate but more importantly knew both the oppressed and the oppressors.
Obadiah means slave of God
So born again Believers ate slaves, but who's the master in question?
The Lord
This seems like it consistently comes up. Could you go a little deeper as to how we know the Exodus verse is speaking about Israelites, rather than these just being opposed positions that are both contained within the Bible?
These laws are for Jewish people.
It’s twisted cause the Bible was talking about a contract it was like having someone work for u for some amount of years but the Bible prohibited that they shud be treated bad they had to be treated with respect and care never to be whipped or killed or treated bad so after working for that amount of time they become free..but some evil people twisted the Bible but that was not the intention of God
So it’s official slavery is a moral thing according to the body.
A complete ignorance on the part of the owner of the channel. It's to say that God or the Bible condones the sin because it was in the garden of eden and throughout the whole Bible. Slavery was part of all every day life and wasn't about to condone it or not but rather specific rules were given how go about it and to be moral and gracious. With no slavery now people treat their employees or whoever under with disrespect and sometimes brutality. So clearly it's not a matter of if officially slavery abolished or not . And it's clearly euphemism that we have bosses and employees. That's just tough the very thin layer of the surface only... so ideologically the Bible and God are against any sort or form or type or disguise of slavery, CLEARLY!
So no adultery which was common but slaverys ok dumb comment god could if banned it if he wanted to leviticus states you may inherit slaves from your parents it says you may not make an Israelite a slave for life but not the slaves you buy from the nations around you
Also nonsense: a failed huckster and conman in early America stumbles upon some golden tablets that happen to be the word of God, an angel shows up to translate for him so he can write it down, but of course he's the only one to ever see or be in the presence of these tablets..
Not familiar with that story as it isn't in the Bible and scripture didn't show up in America. The earliest biblical manuscripts predate any other religions manuscripts. Today's Bible is comparable to the original manuscripts even though so many copies exist. Mormons on the other hand have a very similar scripture to what you are talking about. Rather than historical evidence proving scripture correct, it is all based on the word of one man who claims to be the sole carrier of Gods word.
Wrong
Luckily, the constitution forbids enslavement and indentured servitude except in convicted criminals, in all 50 states and territories of the United States. 13th amendment.
It's still not a good thing that we allow prisoners to be slaves. Especially when considering the fact the criminal justice system is set up in a way to explicitly target African Americans. We never truly got rid of slavery.
@@lukecarrion1694 very true.
morality has evolved beyond the bibyl.
@@michaelpeterson2024 morality existed before the Bible and it has existed with and outside the Bible. It will continue to exist with and outside the Bible.
@@maryarney1350there is only morality trough god and his word the bible. People defend abortion which is murder and people in the future will see how evil we were and are.
you're a slave to the bank if you have any debts. This is what this talking about.
What does that have to do with buying former slaves to keep as property forever?
@davidmcfarland8967 not forever. Per the year of Jubilee which is better than a mortgage
Lol he really convinced himself. Thank goodness we have Dan.
This stems from “the elder shall serve the younger” statement made by God. Ismail and Esau, the elder brothers to Isaac and Jacob, founded the heathen nations and the Israelites were allowed to buy slaves from these nations as they served the Israelites.
...according to the Israelites.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
That dude is ignoring much more of the bible than he is quoting. And they could have Israelites as slaves. And even telling you how to keep them forever.
Apologists have diluted Christianity into misrepresenting their book.
THAT DUDE! Let me educate you with my outcome based thinking...
In context chattel slavery is coming for those who enslaved the real Hebrews
The seeds of the emancipation of slaves are in the Bible, which teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27), which condemns those who kidnap and sell a person (Exodus 21:16; cf. 1 Timothy 1:8-10), and which shows that a slave can truly be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16).
The Bible clearly teaches that God is a slave owner of all creatures. Period.
The kind of slavery that entails is often wise and kind when a person is a loyal, obedient and submissive friend of God, but they are still God’s slaves.
Even Jesus, the royal Son of God, is a slave of God, though Jesus owns other slaves.
Why dont people just read the Bible its nit hard to find how many mentions of slavery.
Its mentioned in the first book of Genesis ham saw noah naked
Uh no, the story of exodus is one where God frees the Israelites from slavery in dramatic fashion. Context matters.
Yeah, the story about something that Never actually happened.
Only the Israelites? Why not all slaves?
@@J.Hudson1516God hates the worship of False God's.
I learned that my self. 😂😂
For the better tho. I did it to my self with my own free will just like everybody else.
God let me know these other people are very nasty and deep down have bad intentions for me.
It's like you have all the children in the world. But only some listen and act right.
You would punish your children to get them to learn.
Babying people get them no where except where they are or worse, they fall into what they do deeper.
You go to a brother and tell them you are wrong and you have a chance to help them.
You go to a brother and say your going through a hard time and x,y, and z. Your gonna be OK and your not wrong your just this and that.
Well they are gonna do it again and again.
Love isn't sun shine and rainbows. Love is stern.
Does your mother love you when you let's you go shoot others and tell you it's because you had a hard life. And dosent punish you.
Does a mother love you when she calls the cops and tells them my child has been shooting his gun at people. And has a deep talk with you about your actions.
@@J.Hudson1516 Notice how slaves were all people back in the day.
Way before the slavery of the days we know mostly about.
But I promise God dosent promote slavery.
The abolishment of slaves were done by 3% of the population 99% of that 3% were Christians who were really in the Word Of God.
Christians are the reason slavery dosent exist today. And that's just me being honest. Not trying to be cocky or prove anything or any of that.
If you read alot about the abolishment of slavery you will understand that deeply, and the impacts it had on the whole world even non religious, and non Christians.
Many seen slavery but said nothing and didn't really believe it was wrong or didn't care enough to do anything about it.
But Christians who knew the Word knew it was wrong and fought years for it despite getting no where for a long time.
The bible DOES condone slavery at various times just as it condones war at various times. Neither of these things are good or achievable in a grand plan based on all of the other commandments we are given and all of the other things we are told to do by Jesus.
I dont think people should harm one another, but if someone attacks, you id say attack them back and hit them to protect yourself.
Sometimes bad things are done for necessary or good reasons. The bible does not think we should have slaves.
"Slavery is OK if it is in defense" is the kind of nonsense we get when people try to rationalize fantasy.
@@thomaswillard6267 Who are you quoting?
Sounds like ...hmmm... in theory... However, I guess I'd have to say that since America is predominantly mixed up and mixed heavily it is, slavery might look a lot differently then one would imagine today. Old recipes have changed over time and Naturally, new recipes may include ingredients such as self-defense. ;) Maybe.... instead.... we should focus on the love parts.
Yeah, let's just cherry-pick what sounds good to our ears and ignore the bad ones. Grow up
OK so the problem here is you ignore the passages which explicitly state that you must treat foriners like you treat the isrealistes
Please show the verse because exodus doesn't say that. And exodus is where all but one of the slavery laws are listed.
Exodus 22:21“You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
@@Jeewanu216
Leviticus 19:33-34 33 If a stranger dwell in your land, and abide among you, do not upbraid him:
34 But let him be among you as one of the same country: and you shall love him as yourselves: for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.@@Jeewanu216
That's not in the bible, that's in the quran dude
@@Jeewanu216Ezekiel 47:22 (ESV) states:
"You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel."
This verse is part of a larger passage in the book of Ezekiel describing the division of the land among the twelve tribes of Israel. It emphasizes the inclusive nature of the inheritance, extending it to both the native-born children of Israel and the sojourners residing among them. The idea is to treat those living among the Israelites as equal participants in the distribution of land.
"Sojourners" in biblical terms typically refer to foreigners or strangers residing in a land temporarily. These individuals are not native to the place where they are living but are there for various reasons such as travel, work, servant/slave or seeking refuge. The concept of treating sojourners justly and integrating them into the community is often emphasized in biblical teachings, promoting hospitality and fairness in their treatment. The verse from Ezekiel 47:22 underscores the idea that sojourners, along with native-born individuals, should share in the inheritance and be considered as part of the community.
You are a gem 💎
What happens when fools tries to educate the masses 😂
It’s doesn’t say forever. Only if they have their children involved. They are supposed to release them after 7 years and give them things to set them up.
My, how ignorant Christians are of their own scriptures!
Leviticus 25:46 "And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever"
Yes It Is, By God, And Jesus In The New Testaments.
START WITH EPHESIANS!👤
You are Christian
Show me in the gospels where Jesus condones slavery, I’ll wait.
Show the gospels where jesus condoned gay people i wait
Show me in the gospels where Jesus condemned homosexuality or abortion.
All I recall him condemning are adultery and divorce.
@@davidm5707 Jesus did talk about sexuality in general though. Jesus stated, “At the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh[.]’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate” (Matthew 19:4-6).
Jesus condemned all sin. Go re read the gospels
Also the bible isn’t Jesus the bible did allow it even if jesus didn’t but i don’t believe we have any word saying he didn’t condones it
@@kianfit55 I know, I’m talking as a follower of Christ
Deuteronomy 28:25
25 The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth.
The major Atlantic slave trading (7) nations, in order of trade volume, were Portugal, Britain, Spain, France, the Netherlands, the United States, and Denmark.
Where was christianity during the times of slavery ?
a lot of ringwing consevatives put on a costume, like yhe backward cap and bonnie ala tim poole
I would love to see the Christians reaction to what you just said❤
Exodus 21:16 (NIV) states:
"Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."
This verse in the book of Exodus strongly condemns the act of kidnapping and prescribes a severe penalty-capital punishment-for those engaged in such a crime. It reflects a moral stance against human trafficking and the unlawful taking of individuals.
@@Doctor_Fate5 ok now quote me leviticus 25:44 to 46 and leviticus 21 20
@@h3fan725 Leviticus 25 44 is about voluntary servitude and Leviticus 21 20 is about certain physical conditions that were considered disqualifications for serving as a priest under the Old Testament law in ancient Israel 🇮🇱
It’s not, it literally says you can buy them read the actual verse@@Doctor_Fate5
Why would somebody paying off the debt, being your ownership and inherited property and can be inherited by your children and be a slave for life? That’s not voluntary you’re so convinced you have to defend this thing that you’re willing to jump hoops around this clearly bad moral issue@@Doctor_Fate5
This is taken way out of context. Yes, Indentured servatude was condoned and still is today, No, slavery on the other hand (specifically holding someone against their will and into forced labor), is 100% condemed in the bible. Both fellow hebrews and foreigners.
That same book you quoted from says you MAY purchase an indentured servant and they are to be treated as you would yourself and forced to be free in the year of Jubilee regardlesd if they want to stay or not.
Heres some verses this demon won't share for you.
Leviticus 19:33-34
33“ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Deutoronomy 10:18-19
18He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. 19And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.
Deutoronomy 23:15-16
15If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them.
Exodus 21:16
16“He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.
Do some research folks before watching a short clip and start shaking your fist at God when he never condoned Slavery. Then me say this one last time. Indentured servatude, is DIFFERENT Than what you think of as todays definition of Slavery.
Remember the term "Indentured Servants" did not exist in the Hebrew language at about 3,500 years ago. This is just common sense at this point. You just got to use your brain ✝️🙏
The Hebrew Bible only applies to other Hebrews, Hebrews do not have to have to follow the rules when it comes to gentiles. Just like Christian Bible rules only apply to other Christians, like when the church outlawed things, it was only for use against other Christians. Things such as slavery and crossbows, where not to be used for Christians but on Christians it saw ok.