☆☆SAFETY NOTICE☆☆ Re. the wire wheel.... ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS !!! ...wear eye protection which FULLY covers your eyes & preferably your whole face... the wire strands WILL & DO break off during use, as a retired professional machinist I can GUARANTEE this will happen... (you often find them embedded in your clothes afterwards) Sorry if this comes over as melodramatic. I am not normally a "safety nanny" guys, but this is something I have seen many times in industry... Nice vid Andy thanks 👍😎☘
FYI the switch on my Record failed and when i asked them about a warranty fix they told me that running a wire wheel had voided my guarantee! To be fair they did send me a free switch. Just fitted a CBN wheel from Toolpost and a coarse Ruby and it has honestly transformed the grinder. CBN is so much better. Nice video mate.
That CBN wheel looks a great bit of kit, I’ve never used one but the results look impressive. Definitely sit the grinder on a plinth out of the way. Great video and thanks for sharing 👍
Hello Andy, Found your video about this particular bench grinder today as I was interested in buying it. Your video is very informative about this grinder, so much so that I've ordered it from Yandles in Martock this evening. I can see from all aspects of what you show about this machine that it is what I'm after. So thanks for putting this up on UA-cam, I've subscribed to your channel and wishing you all the best! Cheers, Marc
Hi Andy, great video, love the foot tapping music. I have my bench grinder fitted on a plinth with a CBN wheel and a Tormek bench grinder kit. Not the cheapest setup but very handy for sharpening turning tools and woodworking chisels. Also, not to endorse removing safety features but the guards are there to safeguard against standard composite stone wheels going in all directions if they shatter, not something you will ever get with a CBN wheel and you may find them restrictive.
If you are not going to use it daily,you could do what I did with my new Dremel drill stand.I bolted it to a piece of ply. Placed it where I wanted it, then drilled three holes - two at the front, one at the back. Put three threaded inserts in the the bench, so I can bring it over and secure it with knobs.You can use the ones you scored from the old guide
Hi Andy, just come across your ( now quite old ) video, really informative, I bought the 8in grinder in 2024, which is great except for the tool rests which are hopeless. They just click into set positions which really make them totally useless for any custom grinds, wondering what you eventually ended up with? Also wondering how the wheel has lasted? I noticed that the chisel you were sharpening looked like a set that I have which are not HSS, I've seen recommendations that only HSS is sharpened on a CBN wheel, as the softer metal cloggs up the grit, just wondering if that's true? ...Cheers...Pete
Muppets, Andy. There's muppets everywhere. Nice takedown and rebuild of the grinder and the CBN upgrade looks like a really worthwhile job. As part of our build out at the Shed I'm putting all our grinders on a trolley (basic box with drawers on a machine base from Rutlands) so the guys can pull it out when needed, use whichever machine then (in theory) put it back, saving space and clutter. Might be a thought for your space there?
Hi Andy great channel Just 1 question on the grinder can you tell me what size the shaft is as I'm after a grinder that can handle a C B N wheel Many thanks
I think when buying a grinder it’s worth turning the wheels in the shop to see if they wobble. A lot do. It also needs to be vibration free. I have two. The cheapo is smooth and quiet. The more expensive is worse! I think cbn wheels are much safer, but I wonder about spending about £100, and £50 on a decent tool rest. I have a Worksharp that cost about £200, so I don’t use a grinder very often. I imagine the Worksharp gives a much better edge than any grinder. It takes me more time to take the chisel to it than it does to sharpen the edge. My grinder has a buffing wheel for a final polish. I don’t use wet stones and jigs. Interesting video as always.
Great video. Question: What is the diameter of the wheel mounting shaft? Are both sides the same? Just asking because I recently bought a CBN wheel with a 25 mm mounting hole. I have ordered some bushings to reduce the size so it fits on my old grinder. I‘m interested in purchasing a Record Power RSBG 6 so I was just curious about the shaft diameter.
The flange/spacer/washer is needed with the stone wheels to spread the force of the nut. As the CBN wheel is metal then you don't need it or the silver wheel gaurde cases as they are needed in case the wheel explodes which you shouldn't need with a mostly metal wheel.
@@GosforthHandyman I pretty sure that the force required to get a bit of metal about 3-4 mm thick, with a convex surface, to act as a spring would cause damage to the wheel before it was acting like a spring. Obviously only do what you're happy with as the consequences are all on you, but that is my analysis.
Good morning Andy, good video, a slightly off topic question if you can help, are you able to shed any light on the difference between the blue/white/ black Makita drills ? Many thanks
Only Me when i was looking for new machines I looked at the white and the only difference was they were a bit cheaper but had smaller batteries, they seemed to be exactly the same machines.
Black and white are special editions. Some brands have the Toyota, Lexus strategy like Dewalt and Black and Decker or Mafell and Metabo. Makita does not have that strategy, They have professional and DIY tools with the same brandname.
I read on the Contractors Forum that ALL the powertool manufacturers supply lower quality product through the "big box" stores, (hence the price difference) as opposed to dedicated tool providers or direct. Things like bearings have been compromised on... is this true ? I can't say for sure... 🙁
Convex grind. I have never tried this myself , many years ago, 1950s an old,. then'. cabinet maker worked for my father. He had a very old wet wheel grinder and he had a small diameter rod fixed to the tool rest. To sharpen a chisel he started with the chisel on the rest and the heel on the wheel, he then slowly raised the handle of the chisel until the cutting tip was on the wheel . At 10 I thought this was the way it was always done. Now watching your video I realize this must have given the chisel a convex shape. Also from the internet I see that in america there are 300 and 600 grit CBN wheels, have you seen any available in the UK? I have only seen 180?
Hi Mate good vid as always. Why not put your grinder on a small sliding platform. Use a couple of drawer sliders on their sides and mount a platform on top which you can secure the grinder wheel too. You can the pull it forward when you need it and slide it back when you don’t. Not sure how you’d lock it to stop it sliding back though. Anyway dude, keep up the good work. I don’t know how you manage working, video editing and keeping the family happy all at the same time. If I’m in the man cave for more than a few hours I get called back in! 😬
The large spacer "FLANGE" is that diameter to grip the stone wheel away from the stone bore so as not to weaken it, one usually has to "dress" the stone to true it up after installation anyways so they simply supply a shitty cheap pressed inner & outer flange... Pro tip... BEFORE fitting a stone (technically a "WHEEL" ) you should tap it to see if you can hear it ring (kinda like a bell), if it sounds flat with no ringing, its probably cracked & should NEVER be used as it may explode during use... this is a handy tip if you see a secondhand wheel for sale at a boot sale... 👍😎☘
I have a Tormek sharpening ginder, the water is a drawback, but works realy wel. But the dry CBN wheel looks verry promising. Please let us know over a couple of weeks how it turned out and is stil a good buy. Thanks for the Nice vid.
Horses for courses Gavin. They obviously work well, but they're SLOWWWW and so damned expensive (and all their own jigs and add-ons are stupidly overpriced). If your main need is doing primary grinds on conventional plane irons and chisels they're very hard to justify, and even some owners acknowledge that they don't actually represent good value for money compared to some options. My view is that life's too short to use a Tormek anyway! And there's a long list of other things for the workshop I'd prefer to spend the 500 quid on. A CBN wheel, even a very expensive one, fitted to a modestly priced grinder will cost you far less (half as much as a Tormek, possibly under) and give you perfect results, with almost zero chance of blueing an edge, no water in the shop and no worries about it freezing in the winter. But perhaps the best selling point is they work about 50 times faster!
How much did you pay for the grinder? As for the dolt with the comment about the phone I distinctly heard you say you weren't getting paid. Great channel, great videos.
Andy see your dewalt compressor have you tried using a framing nailer with it, it won't be able the time but just too see if it will run? Also is it quiet? Cheers
cbn wheels are on my wishlist.... I think that one cbn wheel and a cotton whel for polishing is the right setup for a grinder does cbn wheel make the blade hot?
@@GosforthHandyman did watch an American UA-camr build up some heat with CBN, think it was stumpy nubs, not sure, and said it was possible to get some heat but only by forcing it in the the wheel really hard, in a way he advised against.
Why didn't you get the Record Power WG200-PK/A 8" Wet Stone Sharpening System Package Deal (33200) I use the Veritas jig with a 400/1000 diamond stone followed by a 6000 Ice Bear whetstone and I can sharpen a chisel in less than a couple of minutes.
Andy l put the Axminster 200mm CBN wheels on my Aldi cheapo grinder ( removed guards as there for to protect against exploding ceramic wheels) and no problems at all. CBN wheels don't need a lot of pressure to cut so that might suit some people just let them get up to speed, joy to use. Axminster sell spacer bushes for their Evolution wheels. Obviously own risk if you do without guards. 😨😨😨😨😨
Once you start to modify, i.e. placing spaces from its original design specification, you will nullify the warranty and be breaching PUWER 98 Regs. Also, don't wear jewellery i.e. wedding ring whilst operating the equipment. Lots of unsafe comments spoken.
Great video Andy, I’d be a little careful giving what could be considered instruction on things like this. Abrasive wheels come under PUWER, training to use/service them in the work place is a legal requirement and modifications such as this would be a big no no anywhere I’ve work. It’s quite easy to get yourself into trouble with things like this. Keep up the good work.
Exactly, as soon as you go from making videos reviewing products or demonstrating using products to what could be construed as instruction you open yourself up to legal trouble if someone is injured following your guidance even if they misinterpreted what you say.
It’s absolutely fine to give instruction if you can demonstrate your competent to do so. If you are paid to provide trading you are liable for the accuracy and suitability of that training. It doesn’t matter that the payment for this is in the form of UA-cam revenue not cash. I’m pretty sure Record would advise against using non OEM bushes to fit a third party abrasive wheel.
Just picked up a second hand one of these super cheap, your video was really helpful to familiarise myself with the machine, thanks! 👍
☆☆SAFETY NOTICE☆☆
Re. the wire wheel.... ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS !!! ...wear eye protection which FULLY covers your eyes & preferably your whole face... the wire strands WILL & DO break off during use, as a retired professional machinist I can GUARANTEE this will happen... (you often find them embedded in your clothes afterwards)
Sorry if this comes over as melodramatic. I am not normally a "safety nanny" guys, but this is something I have seen many times in industry...
Nice vid Andy thanks 👍😎☘
Wise words (my glasses are foam lined btw) 👍
FYI the switch on my Record failed and when i asked them about a warranty fix they told me that running a wire wheel had voided my guarantee! To be fair they did send me a free switch.
Just fitted a CBN wheel from Toolpost and a coarse Ruby and it has honestly transformed the grinder. CBN is so much better. Nice video mate.
That CBN wheel looks a great bit of kit, I’ve never used one but the results look impressive. Definitely sit the grinder on a plinth out of the way. Great video and thanks for sharing 👍
Yup might do - will see once I get the sharpening jig 👍
Hello Andy,
Found your video about this particular bench grinder today as I was interested in buying it. Your video is very informative about this grinder, so much so that I've ordered it from Yandles in Martock this evening. I can see from all aspects of what you show about this machine that it is what I'm after.
So thanks for putting this up on UA-cam, I've subscribed to your channel and wishing you all the best!
Cheers, Marc
Hi Andy, great video, love the foot tapping music. I have my bench grinder fitted on a plinth with a CBN wheel and a Tormek bench grinder kit. Not the cheapest setup but very handy for sharpening turning tools and woodworking chisels. Also, not to endorse removing safety features but the guards are there to safeguard against standard composite stone wheels going in all directions if they shatter, not something you will ever get with a CBN wheel and you may find them restrictive.
Need to have a look at that kit. There's a few I've seen that I like the look of. 👍
Hi Andy I just srewd my grinder to a piece of mdf and just clamp it to my bench when needed
I feel like a complete moron for not thinking of doing this.
Thats a nice little bench grinder, i bookmarked it when i first seen you unbox it a couple of months ago - great vid GHM
Cheers bud! 👊
If you are not going to use it daily,you could do what I did with my new Dremel drill stand.I bolted it to a piece of ply. Placed it where I wanted it, then drilled three holes - two at the front, one at the back. Put three threaded inserts in the the bench, so I can bring it over and secure it with knobs.You can use the ones you scored from the old guide
Hi Andy, just come across your ( now quite old ) video, really informative, I bought the 8in grinder in 2024, which is great except for the tool rests which are hopeless. They just click into set positions which really make them totally useless for any custom grinds, wondering what you eventually ended up with?
Also wondering how the wheel has lasted? I noticed that the chisel you were sharpening looked like a set that I have which are not HSS, I've seen recommendations that only HSS is sharpened on a CBN wheel, as the softer metal cloggs up the grit, just wondering if that's true? ...Cheers...Pete
Muppets, Andy. There's muppets everywhere.
Nice takedown and rebuild of the grinder and the CBN upgrade looks like a really worthwhile job.
As part of our build out at the Shed I'm putting all our grinders on a trolley (basic box with drawers on a machine base from Rutlands) so the guys can pull it out when needed, use whichever machine then (in theory) put it back, saving space and clutter. Might be a thought for your space there?
I bought a CBN wheel after stumpy nuns recommended one for idiot proof chisel sharpening, I’ve never looked back, best purchase I’ve made.
Really enjoyed this Andy, thanks for the info 👌🏽😎
Hi Andy great channel
Just 1 question on the grinder can you tell me what size the shaft is as I'm after a grinder that can handle a C B N wheel
Many thanks
I think when buying a grinder it’s worth turning the wheels in the shop to see if they wobble. A lot do. It also needs to be vibration free. I have two. The cheapo is smooth and quiet. The more expensive is worse! I think cbn wheels are much safer, but I wonder about spending about £100, and £50 on a decent tool rest. I have a Worksharp that cost about £200, so I don’t use a grinder very often. I imagine the Worksharp gives a much better edge than any grinder. It takes me more time to take the chisel to it than it does to sharpen the edge. My grinder has a buffing wheel for a final polish. I don’t use wet stones and jigs.
Interesting video as always.
The one I had to return (not Record Power) was terrible. This one is spot on. 👍
14'23'' there is some lateral movement of the wheel. Is that from the grinder axle? Are you happy with this grinder? Thank you!
Great video. Question: What is the diameter of the wheel mounting shaft? Are both sides the same? Just asking because I recently bought a CBN wheel with a 25 mm mounting hole. I have ordered some bushings to reduce the size so it fits on my old grinder. I‘m interested in purchasing a Record Power RSBG 6 so I was just curious about the shaft diameter.
The flange/spacer/washer is needed with the stone wheels to spread the force of the nut. As the CBN wheel is metal then you don't need it or the silver wheel gaurde cases as they are needed in case the wheel explodes which you shouldn't need with a mostly metal wheel.
Yeah that's what I though. Wasn't sure if the flange also acts like a big spring washer?
@@GosforthHandyman I pretty sure that the force required to get a bit of metal about 3-4 mm thick, with a convex surface, to act as a spring would cause damage to the wheel before it was acting like a spring. Obviously only do what you're happy with as the consequences are all on you, but that is my analysis.
whel started at approx 8' 30" the CBN wheel is wobbling more than it should. Being machined aluminium it should not wobble at all.
Good morning Andy, good video, a slightly off topic question if you can help, are you able to shed any light on the difference between the blue/white/ black Makita drills ? Many thanks
Only Me when i was looking for new machines I looked at the white and the only difference was they were a bit cheaper but had smaller batteries, they seemed to be exactly the same machines.
Black and white are special editions. Some brands have the Toyota, Lexus strategy like Dewalt and Black and Decker or Mafell and Metabo. Makita does not have that strategy, They have professional and DIY tools with the same brandname.
I read on the Contractors Forum that ALL the powertool manufacturers supply lower quality product through the "big box" stores, (hence the price difference) as opposed to dedicated tool providers or direct. Things like bearings have been compromised on... is this true ? I can't say for sure... 🙁
From what I've heard the Black and White range are designed to be more compact i.e. normally a smaller battery 👍
Convex grind. I have never tried this myself , many years ago, 1950s an old,. then'. cabinet maker worked for my father. He had a very old wet wheel grinder and he had a small diameter rod fixed to the tool rest. To sharpen a chisel he started with the chisel on the rest and the heel on the wheel, he then slowly raised the handle of the chisel until the cutting tip was on the wheel . At 10 I thought this was the way it was always done. Now watching your video I realize this must have given the chisel a convex shape. Also from the internet I see that in america there are 300 and 600 grit CBN wheels, have you seen any available in the UK? I have only seen 180?
Hi Michael, are you a turner?
Ther wheels on my grinder go round, and round, round and round! the wheels on my grinder go round and round! All the way to my shop!
Hi Mate good vid as always. Why not put your grinder on a small sliding platform. Use a couple of drawer sliders on their sides and mount a platform on top which you can secure the grinder wheel too. You can the pull it forward when you need it and slide it back when you don’t. Not sure how you’d lock it to stop it sliding back though. Anyway dude, keep up the good work.
I don’t know how you manage working, video editing and keeping the family happy all at the same time. If I’m in the man cave for more than a few hours I get called back in! 😬
Great idea! You've got me thinking... 🤔
Is the toolrest good enough or does it flex a bit?
The large spacer "FLANGE" is that diameter to grip the stone wheel away from the stone bore so as not to weaken it, one usually has to "dress" the stone to true it up after installation anyways so they simply supply a shitty cheap pressed inner & outer flange...
Pro tip...
BEFORE fitting a stone (technically a "WHEEL" ) you should tap it to see if you can hear it ring (kinda like a bell), if it sounds flat with no ringing, its probably cracked & should NEVER be used as it may explode during use... this is a handy tip if you see a secondhand wheel for sale at a boot sale...
👍😎☘
Great tips 👍
Hi Andy, any suggestions for getting a bushing to go from the 15mm CBN wheel to the 12.7mm (0.5") bore diameter of the Record benchgrinder?
Hey - hmm... my CBN is 12.7mm - same as the Record. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman hmm indeed, so did you get yours from Axminster? Is it 40mm or 25mm wide?
Nice video! It would be great to see a brazilian flag on your workshop :)
Would love one! I'll see where Brazil are in the viewer numbers... 👍
I have a Tormek sharpening ginder, the water is a drawback, but works realy wel. But the dry CBN wheel looks verry promising. Please let us know over a couple of weeks how it turned out and is stil a good buy. Thanks for the Nice vid.
Will keep you posted - very impressed so far!
Are the tormek worth the Money, they seem a lot but I guess you get what you pay for.
I think u'll find it hard to beat the Tormek, i have the t7 razor sharp every time@@gavjav1
Horses for courses Gavin. They obviously work well, but they're SLOWWWW and so damned expensive (and all their own jigs and add-ons are stupidly overpriced). If your main need is doing primary grinds on conventional plane irons and chisels they're very hard to justify, and even some owners acknowledge that they don't actually represent good value for money compared to some options.
My view is that life's too short to use a Tormek anyway! And there's a long list of other things for the workshop I'd prefer to spend the 500 quid on.
A CBN wheel, even a very expensive one, fitted to a modestly priced grinder will cost you far less (half as much as a Tormek, possibly under) and give you perfect results, with almost zero chance of blueing an edge, no water in the shop and no worries about it freezing in the winter. But perhaps the best selling point is they work about 50 times faster!
Thanks for adding all the new flags! I remain a Philadelphia Phillies fan, though. Those NY Yankees are The Enemy.
That's my top 5 countries by total views at the mo 👍😀
How much did you pay for the grinder? As for the dolt with the comment about the phone I distinctly heard you say you weren't getting paid. Great channel, great videos.
Just showing some support
Thank you! 👊
Andy see your dewalt compressor have you tried using a framing nailer with it, it won't be able the time but just too see if it will run? Also is it quiet?
Cheers
It's a Stanley and it's VERY loud! 😀 Fine with brad nailer - might be OK with framing nailer but would be running constantly.
cbn wheels are on my wishlist.... I think that one cbn wheel and a cotton whel for polishing is the right setup for a grinder
does cbn wheel make the blade hot?
Not compared to stone, the heat is much less than stone, but with effort you can build up some heat.
No that's the beauty - tool doesn't get hot and wheel lasts forever 👍
@@GosforthHandyman did watch an American UA-camr build up some heat with CBN, think it was stumpy nubs, not sure, and said it was possible to get some heat but only by forcing it in the the wheel really hard, in a way he advised against.
Could you not fit a bit of wood under the grinder to lift it up so the chisel handle don’t hit the table
Hey great video! I was wondering, what material are the tool rests made of?
Aluminium I think. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Thanks! I was asking because I'm buying the 8 inch version soon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....but what's that song that starts at around 9:10 ? :)
Leave it with me... (that's not the name of the song)... I'll find out (that's not the name of the song either)
@@GosforthHandyman Run The World - Mike Parr, Frida Winsth
open.spotify.com/track/7ApJXFjGVFwncA2tq1i5Fr?si=GAMpGySvQxy41Wz8hGduUg
Raise it on a wood block. I wish I'd gone small with a CBN wheel. Can't get a hollow grind on my belt grinder :/
Yep, further back and higher up! Keep it simple.
The hollow grind wrecks my strop mind 👍😀
Never thought of that. Good point.
Asking because I don't know, is the CBM wheel purely for sharpening tools ? My grinder has "normal" carborundum type wheels. Thanks Andy.
Flat ground off oil diamond stones etc, hollow ground off grinding wheels.
Tel me what is the point of having the bell set when youtube dont even bother to send out notification ??
Really??! That's interesting! 🤔😭
Why didn't you get the Record Power WG200-PK/A 8" Wet Stone Sharpening System Package Deal
(33200) I use the Veritas jig with a 400/1000 diamond stone followed by a 6000 Ice Bear whetstone and I can sharpen a chisel in less than a couple of minutes.
Really nice but I need a wire wheel so this ticks a couple of boxes. 👍
Instagram ?
No way !!
But good video !!!
Andy l put the Axminster 200mm CBN wheels on my Aldi cheapo grinder ( removed guards as there for to protect against exploding ceramic wheels) and no problems at all.
CBN wheels don't need a lot of pressure to cut so that might suit some people just let them get up to speed, joy to use.
Axminster sell spacer bushes for their Evolution wheels.
Obviously own risk if you do without guards.
😨😨😨😨😨
So no headnshoulders sponsorship on the horizon then.
They haven't come knockin' so far!
Maybe Mr Sheen instead..
Put on top of something then back.
Yeah - might not need to depending on the jig I get 👍
Cbn wheel require a special set of washers to self balance since you cant dress them to be balanced
Never seen such washers? Do you have a link?
woodturnerswonders.com/products/self-aligning-spherical-washer-3-piece-set-for-two-cbn-wheels
There not the only folks that sell them look around for self aligning spherical washers
Once you start to modify, i.e. placing spaces from its original design specification, you will nullify the warranty and be breaching PUWER 98 Regs. Also, don't wear jewellery i.e. wedding ring whilst operating the equipment. Lots of unsafe comments spoken.
Great video Andy, I’d be a little careful giving what could be considered instruction on things like this. Abrasive wheels come under PUWER, training to use/service them in the work place is a legal requirement and modifications such as this would be a big no no anywhere I’ve work. It’s quite easy to get yourself into trouble with things like this. Keep up the good work.
Don't think there's a tool in my workshop that wouldn't come under PUWER 😂
Exactly, as soon as you go from making videos reviewing products or demonstrating using products to what could be construed as instruction you open yourself up to legal trouble if someone is injured following your guidance even if they misinterpreted what you say.
@@chrisb4009 that basically puts an end to every single UA-cam woodworking channel so hope not... 🤔
It’s absolutely fine to give instruction if you can demonstrate your competent to do so. If you are paid to provide trading you are liable for the accuracy and suitability of that training. It doesn’t matter that the payment for this is in the form of UA-cam revenue not cash. I’m pretty sure Record would advise against using non OEM bushes to fit a third party abrasive wheel.
@@chrisb4009 this isn't a training vid Chris, it's just me changing my grinder wheels. 👍
Indea
WRONG - Those are NOT "flanges", they are actually Belleville conical-spring washers.
Every day is a learning day! 👍