I have been fighting an overheating problem myself and I think I just solved it. I ran into this back when I was running a late model but it didn’t dawn on me until I was changing water pump this week. My thermostat housing sits higher than my radiator cap and that means that there is an air bubble that will form when I fill the system and impede the water circulation. I just jacked the front of the car up until the radiator cap was higher than the thermostat housing and filled it with the car running. I can visibly see the water moving better. I used to have a thermostat housing that had a radiator cap on it for that very reason (left over from the late model days) if I can find it, I’m going to put that back on.
I've seen those before as well. On this one the neck is the highest point so i do the same thing but I simply take the hose loose at the neck and fill it.
IMO. I think you need to enter higher because you are hitting the apex way too soon and it’s killing your momentum because you are basically having to set the car up twice. I know in the car it feels like you are higher but you can clearly see in your heat race for sure you was atleast a car below the grove all the way around the track. I want you to be fast just as bad as you do. Good luck.
I agree with Burney, still going in too low to soon, turn later , from higher..You should be higher the whole time, when 12 was under you forcing up closer to the wall on the straight, thats where you need to be the whole time. The car looks pretty dang good now, leave it alone and just gets weeks worth of driving. Doing great Jason , keep it up. I think we all appreciate all the info you share with us..Even when we beat you up a little bit..HeHe.. This is good stuff man!!!!!!!
Also when you were talking about exhaust, you should look into anti reversion mufflers. It helped our low end torque on restarts and coming out of the corner while racing.
@DIRTRACELIFE they are nice. The allowed us to go from a 5.83 gear to a 5.57 and keep the same acceleration on restarts but now we have more top end speed on our E mod that is restricted to 6200 RPM. It makes a world of difference once you get up to speed having a few extra MPH possible
I am glad to see that he had you cut the groove so that when you are looking at it from above it goes from left rear to right front like I said months ago and you told me I was wrong 😊. Just giving you a hard time but also noting it. Lol
@DIRTRACELIFE it was in your video a while back about tire prep and you were grooving the front ones so the grove went from LF to RR when looking at it from the top.
Glad its finally started to work good. Once I have my stock fixed and back together, I'm definitely cross referencing the data you collected to help sort mine out.
Good job sir. I do like your self evaluation. I believe you are correct, you've gotta learn to drive the car how it wants to be driven. Leafers are a totally different type of driving style. You'll get it. And, remember, ONE change at a time. Now go get some more seat time.
Jason I ran lead spring modifieds for years got a chance to drive a four bar car and it was a whole new learning process and I told them I could get on to it but it would take me a lot of leps to get on to it, now I know it's a different from what your doing but it's the same if you know what I mean ! Keep up the good work you will get it !
That's the kind of racing i like. Don't mind him getting past me one bit because it made both of us really work at it lap after lap and that's when you are learning how to be faster.
Your car was faster than the 12 car, you will get it buddy, your setup is good, and as you settle in to car, and get used to trusting the car, your consistency will get better, and your finishes will get better. Good job ! Do you want to sell that car without the motor? It's a nice car and I would buy it.😁
Just a suggestion from what I see- your not entering too fast BUT that jumping back in throttle right after you let off seems to push the front a bit. When you passed Colby, you coasted in a good bit farther before getting back on gas and you blew by him then. I think if you let it roll in till at least the center you’d be a few tenths faster there. You can tell a lot more how it’s driving on that track compared to Clayhill. It’s fast just gotta fine tune how it wants to be drove I think
I had not considered this David but yeah, I see it now that you pointed that out. Car needs more time to settle and roll over without me upsetting with a throttle bump.
Have you recognized some of the street stocks, how they put their left lower control arm all the way down and then allow the car to roll over very far onto the right rear which gives them a whole lot of rear steer, I know your car is not set up this way but I feel that you would benefit from allowing your car to roll over much more. Just my humble opinion
Unfortunately in CRUSASS it is flat out illegal to have a lower more than 2.75" down from the tube which is where mine are. But I am racing against guys some of the time and I see them at 5 to 7 inches down. At the big shows the serious guys are legal and thats what counts. I can't be throwing around protest money and crying at a local Saturday night race where I am just trying to sort the car out. . . But I got eyes and know what I see!
Car looked great bud!! Won’t be long and you’ll have her figured out! You definitely drove her different this time, I call it driving it in controlled chaos😂😂 right on the edge of her getting away from you but way more predictable. Love the videos Jason!
Whats crazy is how the car would initially feel free on entry if I was on the gas but as she hiked up you could feel it "lock in" to the track. Its like it would give you the sensation you were on the edge spinning it out as you entered and then all the sudden it would just hook up. Definitely a new experience for me.
@@DIRTRACELIFE yep! Soon as it gets hiked up and on that right rear spring you can start feeding her the onions! Until the weight transfers it feels unpredictable. I know when I finally got my car setup it was a whole different experience. These metric cars wanna be on the edge.. good luck Jason! Look forward to the next video!
It's dang sure been making me scratch my head and wonder. And it got warm again but only about 235 this time. I am back investigating now and thinking I need to replace that radiator just to make sure I have not missed anything
Car looked better but im still not a fan of the 230/250 right rear spring gimmick. I believe its costing you that half a second drive off you needed. We recently went down to a 225 in right rear and raised the right rear up one round. It definetely helped considersably! Also, im curious what your pinion angle/wheel base is in dynamic attitude. This could also effect some of that drive off your needing.
I do believe we are on the right spring. We might need some more physical weight on it though. But I did purchase a 225 and I am taking it to the SSSNationals with me (so I might think we are on the right one but I ain't stupid either LOL) When I measured the car a couple months ago we were pulling that LR forward an inch in dynamic. I had the static set to 3/4" total so it was likely pulling up somewhere between 1.5 and 2" total in dynamic. I have changed a lot since then so I need to pull the car back down on the RF and hike the LR to see what it does now. On the pinion angle, I am at 5 degrees static and best I can tell I am rolling out to about 2 degrees in dynamic. My goal is to not get past zero in any situation and I am close but I don't want excessive angle at static ride height. It vibrates cars to death and destroys parts.
In that heat race, when you got by that guy, I saw your rear lift, but you didn't lift. I also noticed you drove deep in the corner trying to get some distance, and I believe that was your best lap. Car snapped over perfectly. It wants to be fast. Oh, you might want to protest that 12. That's an open motor. You're not 1/2 sec slower, in my opinion.
Yeah Colby pounded me pretty hard in the RR that next turn. I was seeing that better line watching the video as well. Car was definitely faster than my driving was last night!
This is a silly question, but being a stock class, do you run a typical thermostat? If not, you may have a large bubble of air disrupting flow at high RPM. We used to use an old Ford style two-piece hose w/cap in the middle. You could burp after filling or with a rag and a prayer let the air find it's happy place.
You are entering the turns way to LOW. Just from your video, you could see the inside of the car on front of you. They were in the groove. You looked like your driving is causing the car to push .
He ran mid the entire time until you showed your nose and then he chopped to the bottom like there was a 50% off sale on race gas in the infield… a little contact going by was deserved lol
Idk man... you had to wait eons before you got back into the throttle. Lots of sawing at the wheel... smooth the driving and drive that setup how it needs to be driven brotha.
I don't think you'll see me ever not follow the drift in the car with the steering. It's built into me to follow that track with the wheel as the car jockeys around. Now... as the the throttle part, I think that was me more than the car. Some laps I would hook in and could drive it off that right rear and other laps I would miss that scotch up mark or moment I needed to hit and ended up just having to wait forever. I suspect I just need to leave it alone and get used to it!
@DIRTRACELIFE Y'all are making the track a lot bigger than it has to be, and I noticed you're breaking the momentum with your line choice. It's fun watching the learning curve. I think your driving is too inconsistent to be making changes... get it to where your lap times are consistent and you can consistently hit your marks, trailing the brake, yadda yadda. Once you can do those without thinking, then I'd worry about dialing in the car... otherwise you're just gonna go around in circles chasing your tail.
Take chain off LR. That’s why car is snap loose in center. It’s wanting to come up but chain is grabbing it and making it dump in RR. Taking all your side bite out.
Yes, I reset it to 3.5" and checked and had just a bit more than another 1/2" drop before I top the shock so I think I can safely do 4" of drop and everything still be happy.
I can't get there, I would end up too close to a bottom out if I bobble the car and ruin the shock. And then I would have to take another 2 inches out of my deck height as well. So I will have to log this as a redesign for the future. 6 inches . . . . Dang Chad thats crazy that you found the recipe to get that to travel and work.
Not really, It ran great but slowly climbed and was at 235 at the end. Getting the car out the trailer this evening to look a the radiator and get started on maintenance. I may just replace the radiator.
@@DIRTRACELIFE On a very Dry Slick track I’m a skeptic on the Loaded, Hiked up, Bar angle setup. I know that’s the “Hot Setup” right now. Not convinced just yet.
I have been fighting an overheating problem myself and I think I just solved it. I ran into this back when I was running a late model but it didn’t dawn on me until I was changing water pump this week. My thermostat housing sits higher than my radiator cap and that means that there is an air bubble that will form when I fill the system and impede the water circulation. I just jacked the front of the car up until the radiator cap was higher than the thermostat housing and filled it with the car running. I can visibly see the water moving better. I used to have a thermostat housing that had a radiator cap on it for that very reason (left over from the late model days) if I can find it, I’m going to put that back on.
I've seen those before as well. On this one the neck is the highest point so i do the same thing but I simply take the hose loose at the neck and fill it.
IMO. I think you need to enter higher because you are hitting the apex way too soon and it’s killing your momentum because you are basically having to set the car up twice. I know in the car it feels like you are higher but you can clearly see in your heat race for sure you was atleast a car below the grove all the way around the track. I want you to be fast just as bad as you do. Good luck.
I agree and it's that process of breaking my old habits and learning new ones. Not easy to do but I am working at it.
I still struggle with it. I tell myself move up move up move up as I’m going down the straight aways. 😂
I agree with Burney, still going in too low to soon, turn later , from higher..You should be higher the whole time, when 12 was under you forcing up closer to the wall on the straight, thats where you need to be the whole time. The car looks pretty dang good now, leave it alone and just gets weeks worth of driving. Doing great Jason , keep it up. I think we all appreciate all the info you share with us..Even when we beat you up a little bit..HeHe.. This is good stuff man!!!!!!!
Also when you were talking about exhaust, you should look into anti reversion mufflers. It helped our low end torque on restarts and coming out of the corner while racing.
I have seen them but never had a set
@DIRTRACELIFE they are nice. The allowed us to go from a 5.83 gear to a 5.57 and keep the same acceleration on restarts but now we have more top end speed on our E mod that is restricted to 6200 RPM. It makes a world of difference once you get up to speed having a few extra MPH possible
I am glad to see that he had you cut the groove so that when you are looking at it from above it goes from left rear to right front like I said months ago and you told me I was wrong 😊. Just giving you a hard time but also noting it. Lol
I still haven't figured out what you saw but I still do all my tires the same way. Maybe the video was mirrored in the player or something.
@DIRTRACELIFE it was in your video a while back about tire prep and you were grooving the front ones so the grove went from LF to RR when looking at it from the top.
Glad its finally started to work good. Once I have my stock fixed and back together, I'm definitely cross referencing the data you collected to help sort mine out.
Thank you, yes, it took a minute but I think i am getting a clue now on what this joker wants
Good job sir. I do like your self evaluation. I believe you are correct, you've gotta learn to drive the car how it wants to be driven. Leafers are a totally different type of driving style. You'll get it. And, remember, ONE change at a time. Now go get some more seat time.
Agreed, I think I am close enough on setup now to commit to just learning the car exactly as it is.
congrats on a great finish!
We're getting there slowly but surely
Jason I ran lead spring modifieds for years got a chance to drive a four bar car and it was a whole new learning process and I told them I could get on to it but it would take me a lot of leps to get on to it, now I know it's a different from what your doing but it's the same if you know what I mean ! Keep up the good work you will get it !
I agree, very very different but feeling it actually work "kind of" correctly has been eye opening
Could you do a video on gears and how to decide what to use for each track or condition?
I can!
Good run Jason! That 12 definitely had to earn 2nd. Can’t wait to see the nationals this year.
That's the kind of racing i like. Don't mind him getting past me one bit because it made both of us really work at it lap after lap and that's when you are learning how to be faster.
@@DIRTRACELIFE not to mention it’s a lot of fun lap after lap racing side by side.
Dam sure gettin better!! Keep goin. Fightin high temps too. Mine climbs up under caution
Still ran warm again Patrick
Jason the car looks hooked in the heat race! I'm a keep watching
Definitely was better than it has ever been at that point
Your car was faster than the 12 car, you will get it buddy, your setup is good, and as you settle in to car, and get used to trusting the car, your consistency will get better, and your finishes will get better. Good job !
Do you want to sell that car without the motor? It's a nice car and I would buy it.😁
thank you Whitney, I hope one day to build a good enough car to be able to build for others but I am not there yet.
@@DIRTRACELIFE 👍
My friends call me Whitt. Good luck this weekend, and most importantly, be safe and have FUN.🏁🏁🏁
Just a suggestion from what I see- your not entering too fast BUT that jumping back in throttle right after you let off seems to push the front a bit. When you passed Colby, you coasted in a good bit farther before getting back on gas and you blew by him then. I think if you let it roll in till at least the center you’d be a few tenths faster there. You can tell a lot more how it’s driving on that track compared to Clayhill. It’s fast just gotta fine tune how it wants to be drove I think
I had not considered this David but yeah, I see it now that you pointed that out. Car needs more time to settle and roll over without me upsetting with a throttle bump.
Have you recognized some of the street stocks, how they put their left lower control arm all the way down and then allow the car to roll over very far onto the right rear which gives them a whole lot of rear steer, I know your car is not set up this way but I feel that you would benefit from allowing your car to roll over much more. Just my humble opinion
Unfortunately in CRUSASS it is flat out illegal to have a lower more than 2.75" down from the tube which is where mine are. But I am racing against guys some of the time and I see them at 5 to 7 inches down. At the big shows the serious guys are legal and thats what counts.
I can't be throwing around protest money and crying at a local Saturday night race where I am just trying to sort the car out. . . But I got eyes and know what I see!
on track results looking good
Appreciate it bud
Hey just seems like these cars today are to much work I'll stick with my boat
Guarantee it's cheaper LOL
love your videos. I keep a lookout for new ones every week.
Appreciate you watching as well!
Looks like you’re on the right track 😂 . Can’t wait until you win. 🏆
We are 7 runs in. My goal is to put checkers on the car this season. After this last run I do think we can get there.
@@DIRTRACELIFE I believe it will be sooner than later 🏁
Car looked great bud!! Won’t be long and you’ll have her figured out! You definitely drove her different this time, I call it driving it in controlled chaos😂😂 right on the edge of her getting away from you but way more predictable. Love the videos Jason!
Whats crazy is how the car would initially feel free on entry if I was on the gas but as she hiked up you could feel it "lock in" to the track. Its like it would give you the sensation you were on the edge spinning it out as you entered and then all the sudden it would just hook up. Definitely a new experience for me.
@@DIRTRACELIFE yep! Soon as it gets hiked up and on that right rear spring you can start feeding her the onions! Until the weight transfers it feels unpredictable. I know when I finally got my car setup it was a whole different experience. These metric cars wanna be on the edge.. good luck Jason! Look forward to the next video!
good idea on the screen
It's dang sure been making me scratch my head and wonder. And it got warm again but only about 235 this time. I am back investigating now and thinking I need to replace that radiator just to make sure I have not missed anything
Hey bud you did good job
Thank you sir, Feel like I am finally learning a little something on this car
I hope that your engine temp is alot better now !
It still made it up to 235. Thinking about a new radiator
Slowing the water pump is probably going to help more than anything.
I am hoping it is a good move.
Car looked better but im still not a fan of the 230/250 right rear spring gimmick. I believe its costing you that half a second drive off you needed. We recently went down to a 225 in right rear and raised the right rear up one round. It definetely helped considersably! Also, im curious what your pinion angle/wheel base is in dynamic attitude. This could also effect some of that drive off your needing.
I do believe we are on the right spring. We might need some more physical weight on it though. But I did purchase a 225 and I am taking it to the SSSNationals with me (so I might think we are on the right one but I ain't stupid either LOL)
When I measured the car a couple months ago we were pulling that LR forward an inch in dynamic. I had the static set to 3/4" total so it was likely pulling up somewhere between 1.5 and 2" total in dynamic. I have changed a lot since then so I need to pull the car back down on the RF and hike the LR to see what it does now. On the pinion angle, I am at 5 degrees static and best I can tell I am rolling out to about 2 degrees in dynamic. My goal is to not get past zero in any situation and I am close but I don't want excessive angle at static ride height. It vibrates cars to death and destroys parts.
10:30 when did you get a green screen? Haha
Dang! It seriously does look like a green screen 😀
What engine are you running?
It's my own build of a 0.060 over 350.
In that heat race, when you got by that guy, I saw your rear lift, but you didn't lift. I also noticed you drove deep in the corner trying to get some distance, and I believe that was your best lap. Car snapped over perfectly. It wants to be fast. Oh, you might want to protest that 12. That's an open motor. You're not 1/2 sec slower, in my opinion.
Yeah Colby pounded me pretty hard in the RR that next turn. I was seeing that better line watching the video as well. Car was definitely faster than my driving was last night!
Glad it's getting better every race
This is a silly question, but being a stock class, do you run a typical thermostat? If not, you may have a large bubble of air disrupting flow at high RPM. We used to use an old Ford style two-piece hose w/cap in the middle. You could burp after filling or with a rag and a prayer let the air find it's happy place.
I have run a 160 but pulled it out now that it's summer. I fill this one at the neck on the intake because it's the high point.
Enter a lane higher cross over out of the corners keep more momentum threw out the corner car looks good just unhook your brain and run !!
100% agree
You are entering the turns way to LOW. Just from your video, you could see the inside of the car on front of you. They were in the groove. You looked like your driving is causing the car to push .
I was turning short at times and causing the car to fall down on the left side and then bam . . a push. I am working at it.
What’s your ride heights?
Planning to get it back into the shop this evening or tomorrow and go back through the measurements
He ran mid the entire time until you showed your nose and then he chopped to the bottom like there was a 50% off sale on race gas in the infield… a little contact going by was deserved lol
Him and me both know on that track you better get position in the heat and yeah Colby was doing his best to protect his spot.
Can you make a quick tire video?
What specifically sir?
@@DIRTRACELIFE how your grooving and sipping each tire
I think we could make another tire video. i have to pick up some new H500's tomorrow and need to prep them fro the Nationals
@@DIRTRACELIFE that would be awesome
Idk man... you had to wait eons before you got back into the throttle. Lots of sawing at the wheel... smooth the driving and drive that setup how it needs to be driven brotha.
I don't think you'll see me ever not follow the drift in the car with the steering. It's built into me to follow that track with the wheel as the car jockeys around. Now... as the the throttle part, I think that was me more than the car. Some laps I would hook in and could drive it off that right rear and other laps I would miss that scotch up mark or moment I needed to hit and ended up just having to wait forever. I suspect I just need to leave it alone and get used to it!
@DIRTRACELIFE Y'all are making the track a lot bigger than it has to be, and I noticed you're breaking the momentum with your line choice.
It's fun watching the learning curve.
I think your driving is too inconsistent to be making changes... get it to where your lap times are consistent and you can consistently hit your marks, trailing the brake, yadda yadda. Once you can do those without thinking, then I'd worry about dialing in the car... otherwise you're just gonna go around in circles chasing your tail.
Take chain off LR. That’s why car is snap loose in center. It’s wanting to come up but chain is grabbing it and making it dump in RR. Taking all your side bite out.
I think I can go about another 1/2" and thats it before I will have to add a shock extension. I would have 4"s at that point.
@@DIRTRACELIFE 4” of drop out?
Yes, I reset it to 3.5" and checked and had just a bit more than another 1/2" drop before I top the shock so I think I can safely do 4" of drop and everything still be happy.
@@DIRTRACELIFE I have 6”
I can't get there, I would end up too close to a bottom out if I bobble the car and ruin the shock. And then I would have to take another 2 inches out of my deck height as well. So I will have to log this as a redesign for the future. 6 inches . . . . Dang Chad thats crazy that you found the recipe to get that to travel and work.
The wife didn't look non to pleased 😅
It was seriously lookin like a rain out for a while and it showed on her face LOL
Motor stay cool?
Not really, It ran great but slowly climbed and was at 235 at the end. Getting the car out the trailer this evening to look a the radiator and get started on maintenance. I may just replace the radiator.
@@DIRTRACELIFE hope you the best on getting it cooled down. Keep it up
You just need to get used to the car looks like the car was fast you wasn’t constant
exactly 💯
Car too loose and no forward drive.
Tons of forward drive. Just needed a better driver to keep the car hiked up and on the gas in the corner to take advantage of it LOL
@@DIRTRACELIFE
On a very Dry Slick track I’m a skeptic on the Loaded, Hiked up, Bar angle setup. I know that’s the “Hot Setup” right now. Not convinced just yet.