Is Wuthering Waves “copying” Genshin Impact?
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I definitely agree that comparing games in a similar genre gets tiring. After a certain point it feels like everyone is trying to defend their own bias towards a game but why cant everybody love whatever they want without having for it to be called a rip off/bad :"D
And also why do you have to pick a side while you can enjoy both games
because it creates a sense of superiority and that's the sole reason why the other community try to one up the other
except in this case, one side actually neglected by its devs while the other is still under development
seriously.. it's okay to like two things X)
The genre is not the same, only the open world anime style😅
Nothing is original. Most people learn this in like highschool English class LOL. All of your favorite movies and tv shows are just remakes of earlier stories.
That's great but this is almost 1 - 1
wuthering waves is not copying but it's inspired. I don't like how some people say "wuthering waves is a genshin copy" when genshin is a Zelda copy
And Zelda is an Ubisoft open world game copy
@@Deses Ocarina of Time...
Wuwa is more similar to genshin than genshin is to botw though.
I don't get people that mad if the game get called copying other game and always think that anyone that say the game look similar or comparing the game is an insult . Genshin was called "zelda copy" and i agree 100% back then' but for me when i started the game it's so much better and suit my preference. World building character design appearance and combat style. that make them separate and feels totally a different game. In this era there's no such thing as Original everyone copying each other.
But you can't say they came with a whole new different game. It's similar, the design is making the difference, but the game play stays the same.
I think what’s throwing me off is the way it’s being advertised to me, I have yet to see one person talk about it without mentioning “Genshin could never” like why can’t it just be its own thing? It’s not gonna measure up to Genshin in most aspects anyways so why set the game up for failure like that
people compare them because these are games who have similar genres, being open world gacha rpg. wuwa IS its own thing but its fine to compare it to another similar one
@@ew2dr yeah i fully agree with you, that’s not really the point i’m trying to make. i’m just saying i’ve never seen it talked about without genshin being mentioned, like not even once
@@strawburrymilk195 ooh okay. yeah its kinda weird, although i assume there Are people who do that! actually, ive seen a couple of youtube guys talking about wuwa on its own, like wuwa radio
It's just a meme😭we say genshin could never because genshin really could never give so much pulls and free 5stars in its debut
@@abura2980 well technically free 5* was a compensation thingy because the game DID release bugged and stuff
Every brand needs a competitor, Sonic x Mario, Coca x Pepsi. I hope WuWa confronts Genshin for that matter. And you see what happens when theres none, like Pokemon.. This brand is the epitome of mediocre production, no effort and love in the production.
bro ur so right.. pokemons last game release was abyssmal.. like so bad i felt offended when i first checked it out xD still just so shook & mad about it hahaha. someone really looked at it and said: yeah lets serve that sht. lmao.. genshin team director too is getting very complacent and ignorant/arrogant.. to the point where i'm slowly going from being angry about it to caring less and less about the game, which is such a shame - rly hope wuwa brings about good change
Wasn't Digimon supposed to be their competition? I mean, they basically fell by the wayside immediately and eventually became a gacha, but there was an attempt.
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and then Palworld came in and the Pokemon fan stans hate Palworld so much just like Genshin stans nitpiking with WuWa
@@persephonehades7547 digimon is older than pokemon
Copying can be alright if done well tbh. But if we're being honest genshin concept isn't a first, open world games have been here for awhile. Personally I think genshin is great in it's vibrate colors and wuthering waves is beautiful in it's more dulled colors. They both have different aesthetics that are both equally good to me.
I've already played pgr (same developers as wuthering waves) and it's gorgeous imho.
I will say tho I see more people insulting genshin's designs bc wuthering waves beta? I'm not sure what use for a game in development that's not released yet- but I feel like it's rude to the people who made the designs (assuming that designers and the directors are separate) but yeah that's my opinion even tho it's half-assed
Edit: ok so I'd like to add more to this because I read other comments and they had some good points plus when I was writing this I was in a big hurry.
I mostly think it's fine to like both games and enjoy both in my opinion no need to put them both into some competition.
While yes, speaking truthfully competition is great but if constantly done the person is going to end up making other people and things constantly compete
Which is a problem in the entertainment industry because it can tire out those you look up to or a big fan of.
Now back to a point that I DEFINITELY messed up badly in a way
The insults thrown at genshin's world and design.
Keep in mind any big company or team we'll have a director who approves and disapproves of certain things (and obviously leads the team)
So when throwing insults at least don't be too harsh with them because at that end of the day the person who worked on is a human not a robot
And even if the director's choice might've been bad, still be respectful because someone worked on this.
Sure genshin is inspired by other games, but did they have to make everything ui related look *exactly* like genshin? Bruh ☠️
It’s inspired by lots of things. Wuthering waves includes dodging, flipping, double jump, and running on walls. They have absorbing echoes rather than artifacts. Everything is basically different. There are probably 100s of games that have the same gacha, building, and character designs. Genshin set a standard just because it’s a good game, but not everything has to compare to it. Genshin isn’t original, and neither is Wuthering waves. So hate on both, not just Wuthering waves.
@ssoopphix175 bro did u even read my comment? I said the *ui literally looks the same as genshin* like how lazy u gotta be to copy a game and u can't even *change the way the menus and interface looks*
@@user-mj4ph9bv7s The menu doesn’t have anything to do with the gameplay and characters? Why does it even matter lmao
@ssoopphix175 least smooth brain wuwa enjoyer 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ if u don't understand why *details* like that matters, then I don't expect you to understand what makes a game better than another one. They literally copy and pasted genshin's entire interface and you can't see how that matters, I'm not going to spell it out for you, ignorance is bliss fr.
@@user-mj4ph9bv7s I’m trying to tell you that the layout of the game doesn’t matter. Well it does if you’re paying attention to the design and that makes u decide whether you’re gonna play the game or not, but people mostly focus on the characters, story, and gameplay. Genshin isn’t original, and neither is their design/layout. You should be saying this about Genshin too. You can’t back up your opinion if Genshin is no better. Wuwa and Hoyoverse are both unoriginal, that’s that🤷♀️ and tbh I think people focus on the plot itself rather than the layout. A game can be better than another one without being completely original. Like Genshin, for example.
Wuthering waves is not necessarily a copy of genshin, because it itself is an open world game and genshin does not completely monopolize this genre, So it's not surprising if this game has many similarities with genshin
The only difference i see between wuwa and Genshin is the combat mechanic everything else they all the same..
ridiculous opinion. Everyone has two eyes with a nose, are you the copy of another person?@@CaelusXFirefly69
@@CaelusXFirefly69 Not really. the similarity you see may just purely be like the anime artstyle.
Wuwa is way way more similar to Genshin than Genshin to Zelda, but guess what haters have said and still been saying.
dude the UI and art style are practically identical. Its a bit more than "theyre open world games"
Genshin Impact at least managed to change UI design and placement and how the game looks graphically in comparison to Breath of the Wild. Wuthering Waves didn't even bother to change the UI elements and placements or Graphics. It is just straight up copy with extra features. If someone streams Genshin Impact, Breath of the Wild and Wuthering Waves, you will clearly be able to tell the difference between Genshin and Breath of the Wild but you will not be able to tell any difference between Genshin and Wuthering Waves unless you actually play the game to know the difference in visuals.
When there are two games of this kind, people say the latter is copying the former. When there are a hundred games of this kind, people call it a genre.
Wise words
To answer the title question, no. Genshin doesn’t have a rave turtle
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@@rippercyclotron3803war thunder tutel?
So true!
Disco turtle 🪩 🐢
mingchao tried to be different from genshin but the people hated it, so the dev had to swallow their pride and make it more genshin like... its not really their fault, it what the market wants... xD
Yeah i can totally get this just look at pgr they manage to make a whole different game compared to Hi3 yet it's not really successful. Idk why the game was so good in my opinion i like Pgr more then Hi3 combat.
It depends on who you ask. There are so many genres that are not going to make a much money as a game like Genshin. The soulslike series of games for example are not even close. But, in no way would anyone say to make those games "better" they should be more like Genshin.
Sometimes you just serve a niche and are successful just in that venture. Even Genshin would do "better" if it were more like Candy Crush or Honor of Kings. It would be far more profitable.
@@CaelusXFirefly69 Popularity and success aren't really directly proportional. Genshin is wildly popular, but its profit per player is astronomically low compared to the rest of the industry leaders. Even compared to PGR, but definitely compared to HSR or Nikke. From a business perspective it's not just revenue but the effort and cost necessary to make that revenue and Genshin is one of the highest costs but lowest yearly revenue per player.
From the company standpoint, success is not really convincing a lot of people to play the game but convincing people the game is worth money. While PGR serves an extremely small group, that group on average massively spends on the game compared to the average Genshin player. HI3 is about the same as PGR and HSR is a little higher, while Nikke clears everything.
Hopefully, though, all games don't just become Nikkes just because it's generally the least effort for the most profit. Not saying that Nikke is low quality, simply that it costs less to produce than a complex 3D combat system, and oceans less than a complex 3D world.
Honestly I feel like the word "copying" is being used too liberally. Just like with other games, Genshin can't claim ownership of a general game style or genre or specific mechanic. It's like if the original inventor of the gachapon or the first gacha game decided to start suing gacha games left right and center for copying the idea of gacha.
I don't have plans of playing the game, but I do hope at some point a Genshin competitor actually comes out and competes over several years. A lot of people love to talk up the idea that Genshin being on its own is something that's always good. In reality, having a monopoly on a certain genre pushes developers to become complacent and there would be a lack of any real improvements because you're the only game that way anyway. I used to play World of Tanks Blitz, and I'd imagine that's why I ultimately left the game: There just wasn't anything new because the overall game concept is on its own that people are forced to play said game or leave.
Competition is ultimately good for the consumer because these different games would start competing for player attention through different means like better rewards, mechanics, etc. I would imagine this is why HSR gives out more rewards than Genshin, and the bottom line (whether you think rewards are a metric for how good a game is) is that those rewards give players a better bottom line for the game and entice playtime from the players. If anything, I think having a game that directly competes with Genshin could push the game to listen more to their playerbase, more so than what they do now.
The UI is exactly the same. That is copying. It was already weird enough that Star Rail aped Genshins UI so hard, but same developer so makes enough sense I guess. But this one is insane.
@@ComicCrossingBroo even zelda ui kinda look simalar too genshin then we can call zelda is copying genshin then
@@ComicCrossingAt this point Genshin’s UI is the standard. It’s simple and is easy to navigate so why would they change it up if it’s probably going to get criticized for being annoying. They can try to make it better but there’s only so much you can do if you want to keep it simple and clean. Look at Honkai Impact 3rd’s UI. It’s very complicated with many buttons and annoying to navigate for newer players that some new players even quit just bc of the UI. I for one took so long to get used to it that I barely played when I first started but now I understand it well and play everyday with no issues navigating it. I still think it needs some cleaning up and a lot less shops and currencies at the very least but I know the UI alone is why some people don’t give Honkai a chance. If people had to learn how to navigate WW’s UI if it were drastically different, they might turn away from the game.
The thing that throws me off the most about it is how the ui is literally the same... Like to the point of icons being similar. While genshin is a copy of Zelda, they still have very different interfaces and I thing the overall vibe is more distinguishable because of that (I haven't played zelda though so I'm not sure)
True i if you compared BOTW and Genshin they may shared the same genre but both are totally a different games. While Wuwa looks and gameplay are the same and make it easy to say it copying so much on Genshin then Genshin copying zelda
As someone who plays Botw/Totk and plays Genshin, I can definitely say that they are two completely different games. Genshin did get inspired by zelda as you can definitely tell that at the beginning of the game, but once the story progresses any similarity starts to drift off.
Zelda BOTW is a one time purchase game with expansion packs sold separately, Genshin is a gotcha game with on going updates and story development. The only few thing s similar between Zelda BOTW and the genshin are the green grass, mountains, rivers, climbing and gliding (I can't count how many games have those), and there are still players like you saying Genshin is a Zelda copy. I mean do people like you actually think at all?
@@stevoz6743 no need to get so negative. people call genshin a copy of Zelda all the time, there are enough similarities to compare the two, and, like I said, I haven't played botw, so I can misjudge it
I think it's easy to underestimate how much those UI elements etc have become genre defining - if you want to make a game in this sort of space hoyoverse UI is *the* standard players are used to and if you want to do something different you are going to need it to be better in some specific way to offset how much players bounce off the change.
It's an extreme example but imagine a game that swaps out WASD for something else - can be done of course but when it is done there's usually a good specific reason for it. If WW didn't have a reason to deviate it's understandable that they went with "industry standard"
a lot of people say its a genshin copy but also is the same crowd that says its not bright and colorful enough. its like they want it to be more similar to genshin and also not. we all need to remember that as artists and developers or creators we all take inspiration and use reference. and wuwa has definetly taken a lot of inspiration from genshin but made it their own with the dark atmosphere and duller colors which makes it stand out more. also its better to have more similar games so people can choose what fits for them the most. some like vibrance and happiness which genshin gives and some like dull and sci fi which wuwa gives, its better to have options than just to have one thing that has all the things you like but there is one part of it that takes away from a lot of the main points you like. its good that other companies take reference from genshin it means more for us people that love this type of anime game genre. (:
A bet if WuWa had not an anime style but remain dark and dim it will be 1000 times better
Just imagine dark souls style but it is an action rpg gacha
@@ProkerKusaka yeah but then you won't milk the weebs as easly
Half-way through the video, i still can't see anything new WW brings to the table. Font, UI layout, fight style, art style. Haven't play Genshin in more than a year, I haven't seen so much similarity in a game where by i feel like i can drop right in with zero learning curve or know this isn't made by mihoyo without researching.
I didn’t know that there was a font for having dyslexia, but I love that the open dyslexic font felt good for my smooth brain
My thoughts: nope, but inspired by Genshin definitely
But that’s life! Just like genshin is inspired by other games. I don’t think it’s bad, at this point it’s hard to not create something that’s similar to something else.
It’s also good isn’t it? Cause if you enjoy this kind of game but need a break from one, there are others that may bring you similar joy.
Tbh wuwa is more Genshin copy then Genshin copy zelda. Because Botw and gi may shared the same genre but both are totally different game with different gameplay from top to the bottom
I don't think so, wuw has it uniqueness and genshin also, do you think that wuwa having genshin type of ui is not a good thing, for you maybe, for me i think it's good bcs I already felt similarities and i don't really need to memorize anything if wuwa ui is diff. I don't see any lots of copies except inspiration, idc if wuwa copy genshin bcs all i see is that they copy but make it better and more unique than genshin make it. Copying then make it better is better than just blatantly copy and look exactly same. @@CaelusXFirefly69
@@CaelusXFirefly69 sigh.
@@CaelusXFirefly69 Really? REALLY!? As if i never played BTOW on switch and Genshin for 3 years. Bro stop...you are embarassing us casual GI players...
bruh its copied down to the MENU.
Literally everything in Genshin you can find inspiration from other games. They did not invent the side menu, the wheel menu, the anime artstyle, their puzzles, the camera mode, the weapon equip system, not even the piece equip system. They did three things that were unique from most other mixed audience gacha games, and they were:
1. Having fanservice for male characters;
2. Releasing on a console as well as other platforms, and;
3. Being open world.
In my opinion EVERY gacha should "copy" that, and Wuthering Waves is hitting every single mark.
I recently saw that Alhaitham doesn't have muscles, and is only a shadow skin to make him look like he has muscle in his arms 😢
@@Ela-jz3zg Eh? Nah his arms are legitimately bigger than the other male models. I can't remember where, but someone breaks down the models into polygons just to show the variation of sizes. (Childe legitimately has built in manhood physics, and Itto's ass is bigger than Shenhe's.)
@@persephonehades7547 i see his arms in his character story 😥
And make me remember the game called Avalon Code
1st point is debunked by FGO and GBF, they do male fan service more than Genshin ever did.
@@shinjimatou6778 Yeah, let me just point you to the Valentine's Day cutscenes where all of the waifu characters very clearly want to sleep with you but all the husbandos just treat you like a bro except for the one canonical bisexual manwhore named Fergus. GBF I know little about, but saying FGO had actual male character fanservice is a lie. I played that game for years and was surviving on crumbs.
I mean... There are like 50 games each year that are just Dark Souls copycats with a twist, so much so that they just called it a genre. If we can have hundreds of souls-likes, we can have a bunch of genshin-inspired games.
There’s and old writer’s saying: everything that can be written has been written. And its true, for the most part originality is dead. Been that way for hundreds of years, heck there’s even droves of sci-fi romance novels from the 1800s. And they were not ahead of their time. Its just that this saying is true, and has been.
The point of this saying isn’t to discourage artists but rather to remind them that original work means little. Its not about reinventing the wheel, its about adding to it. Copying does not show a “lack of creativity”. Most creatives start out by copying! Its a natural part of the process. There’s nothing wrong with continuing to build on what inspired you, in fact that IS creativity.
It's incredible how people take everything to the extreme, some despise it for copying, others complain about those who despise it for copying and despise Genshin Impact.
What is clear and absolutely objective, does not have to be a bad thing, is that this game is an almost absolute copy of Genshin Impact. Obviously it seeks to add new elements, but that does not mean that 90% of the game is the same as the Hoyoverse game.
It may be better than Genshin itself, but one thing does not take away from the other. I also find the comment "Well, Genshin is a copy of Zelda" ridiculous and stupid. Genshin Impact was clearly inspired by Zelda, but in this case it goes beyond inspiration.
No, legit, it’s crazy to me cause the same people who shit on Genshin for “copying” Zelda praise WuWa. Down to the story even, I find it funny how in the opening couple scenes they try so hard to avoid the world travel because it would only make the comparison worse.
FINALLY! An actual adult making actual fucking sense. HUGE part of GI community will play both games. As of late all you see is the big cc's going 'genshin killer' non-stop and creating all this negativity around GI just because of their own pent up anger towards GI, completely biased opinion and general dissatisfaction with the game. Which is neither here nor there. I'm someone who has played GI since launch, it was my intro to gaming in general and I''ve been playing a plethora of games ever since it's release. I don't plan on quitting a game just because another shows up, that's ridiculous, I plan on playing both, as a lot of people are going to, as gaming in general is meant to be enjoyed.
trust me, it's all for clicks LOOOOL
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I think its good to have multiple games that feel like Genshin. Its good to have options. Genshin is super casual so its great for me to try other stuff thats not tooo different but feels fresh.
I honestly always got annoyed when people would compare genshin to breath of the wild and i mean ive seen what both of the games look like and i mean yeah they are similar but they are so different. So yeah tbh i don't care all that much if withering waves is a genshin clone. I personally love genshin mostly for the lore and characters so if they have similar gameplay it's not really gonna matter that much to me.
9:31 One part of me adores the fact that every person is unique and everyone has their own experiences. It makes reading poetry more beautiful because even if I've heard something similar, something about it is always unique. On the other hand, i hate the fact that no one else is like me. That no one else has gone through what I've gone through. When i think of it like that, i feel so lonely. But idk, I'm just yapping.
you know i watched the mechanics and movement and i really like the whole run up the wall thing and i love the fighting. The way they have characters combining moves together is really cool. Also the way the fighting looks in general looks really intersting. im excitec to check it out and explore the world.
I mean the copying debate is waaay more relevant with Chinese games than any other gaming market. I think those who act like they don't see the blatant similarities are just coping to not feel like they are playing "the lesser game" (which is dumb since a game can be a "copy" and be better than the original ie. Riot games imo).
no:, short answer :)
Stole my first comment 😭
long answer: noo
even longer answer: naur
yes it is, there are a lot of similarities, even the ui is the same and it comes from someone who stopped playing GI
@@user-sv9fv3jy7i the ui looks similar. thats the only similarity those to games have except for their genre
"There is nothing new under the sun" that was written 2203 years ago
Is genshin impact "Copying" Botw zelda 💀
The comparison matters though. Normal people dont have very much free time and why would you play 2 games that are so extremely similar and require doing daily chores and then have a lot of exploration and grinding needed. If you only have time for 1-2 gacha games then we need to know which game deserves our attention more.
Wuw was planning before genshin released.. in 2019. That was kuro said
Oh yeah Project Wave started in 2019
i love love loveee everything you said about originality, i am an aspiring musician so this was such a touching and reassuring message for me 💛 it’s all about the approaches we take individually towards life’s naturally existing concepts :D
Looks great! Hopefully it has some difficulty and endgame bosses
What’s that song you said you like with the like hand pan instrument???
What stream is this i can't find it
4:20 that's me. I couldn't be bothered to start yet another game because then I would want to learn about the lore, and I only have so much time to play games in a day.
very insightful, thank you for sharing + loved seeing my two fav ccs interact (kinda at least)
This is why the term among: one game popularized the genre and concept of open world, gets swallowed in the dark so fast. Because fr I’d take the more the merrier of open world concepts in as many style that devs can offer~
As a designer and Media specialist this is what I have realized over the years, although almost nothing is entirely "New" just like how games have a "Meta, so does "Creativity" and something are copied more then others until they fall into subcultures. Its only when the subculture produces something beyond its established community and makes it into pop culture, doesn't the creative meta changes again. So those who are use to only playing games in the meta of popular culture triple AAA gaming, it'll feel original or new to them again.
You know, you really opened my eyes today . I was kunda really tired of genshin for a while ( mostly because i turbo grinded for neuvi, kazuha and arlachino that my whole world is empty now) and just started to think its a fundamentally flawed game and all that but now i watched like 2-3 of videos and it was really peaceful as in i am just relaxed now, and i 100% agree that when theres competition the consumer wins
Well many people compare abt GI and WuWa now and actually when the first time i saw WuWa i thought mihoyo made it 😅
i'm so happy when i listen to dish talk. Even if what she says is not what i feel about a topic i don't feel excluded. It's like she gives the active effort to understand things others would just be mad about (cough-twitter-cough)
Bro is it a straight up copy…The keys( E & Q) the mechanics the design EVERYTHING
LMAOOOOO
Not a hater in any way and not an expert in video editing, but I believe that you need to somehow correct the music\sound to voice loudness ratio or something like it. Even if you turn on any other video and switch to yours you can hear that it is quieter on average and in moments when music kicks in it is way too loud in comparison to voice...
In diversity is progress, if no game is trying to do something like Genshin, then Genshin can't reach the best version of itself: the same goes with WuWa, this kind of competition is necessary for us users to get the best of both games, as you said. I believe diversity helps us evolve, if we are still the same there's no opening to learning and improvement. And actually that's how several tecnologies, findings and art is born.
If no game trying to do something like botw, genshin wouldn't exist
I think the argument genshin vs WuWa is so stupid that it's not even worth talking about
Wuthering definitely put some jiggle physics
I’m a ex player of Genshin Impact and I will move myself and become a current player of Wuthering Waves
wuwa just make me feel more hate that before..never like that.
Lingyang was my first 5 star too! Cool gameplay, but his in-air combat throws me off every time. I enjoyed watching the video and hearing your thoughts about the game (with chat's input) as well. I do hope the game becomes successful, it's really is a beautiful game with so much protentional!
Did you see the dev notes? I am so hopeful for this game. And giving criticism to this game is what the devs currently need so no need to hold back.
I took an introductory course of video games studies for my VGS minor and I can say that MAJORITY of the games are definitely inspired by other older games. No matter what, you can’t really escape from it. Everything is going to be reused but the only difference is how developers approach it in a different perspective. If any of the older games, such as Pong and Pac-Man don’t exist, then there would be no games in the modern gaming. They need to exist to be able to learn and develop new unique games. The analogy near the end is a perfect description for that!
What I could say is that Wuthering Waves is not a copy of Genshin but rather an inspiration! The devs learned the mechanics and dynamics (for example) and simply approached them in a different light.
I like how Dish, almost by accident, described the line of thinking of Aby Warburg. One of the, if not the most, important art historian. Basically the creator of Iconography, the Atlas Mnémosyne and a lot more (with help from Gertrud Bing and Fritz Saxl).
where do u download wuthering waves 😭
This game is still in beta, so unless you're selected to test the game, you won't be able to play it. But hopefully the game gets released soon. :)
This is such a call back to the Everything Is A Remix series! 💯
To be honest, I don't know much about the game and developer, but when I have a first peek on the game, I thought it is a game made by Mihoyo. This just shows how much similarity between the 2 games at first glance
I agree with the Font guy. Just make it the same as PGR. I abhor this font. One more thing that needs a bit of work is that there's no weight behind the jump, dodge, wall climb. Other than that, the rest probably require minor fine tuning for a great finished product
They do have a lot of similar things taken from genshin but…yk its easier for me to understand the game ui
Fr! I also like the ui as well, It helps and make it easier to understand bcs we already use to genshin ui :))
dish got kinda real with this one and i don't know how i feel anymore
When will this game come out?
The thing is, i spent so much time on genshin and now i cant even open it because its literally almost 40GB?!?!! so starting a simular game is going to be cool. I will miss xiao and kokomi tho 😞
reinstall genshin, it should come down to 18-20 gb after removing language packs and past resources data
Rather than calling it genshin copy, i saw a lot of PGR elements in it combined with general open world elements, which you can also find in a lot of open world game before genshin.
Pensive thoughts paired with euphonious Wuthering Waves background music? What a vibe 😇☁✨
It really depends on the product goals. If Kuro decided they want to make a game for that demographic of Genshin players who love everything about Genshin except they want hardcore, difficult, endgame content, does it make sense to deviate from Genshin in all aspects?
If I want to make a hardcore version of Genshin, I'm going to make sure there's as little friction as possible for my target demographic so they can get straight to learning and enjoying the one thing they want from Genshin but can only get from my game.
The devs sure plenty of things that for sure. Knowing how much their previous game has big changes after release, such as UI in general getting improved. I really hope they do the same with this one. while this new menu is more "polished" I miss the aesthetic of tacetite they were aiming back then.
While I can't say I'm 100% happy with the state of the game and want big changes, I truly hope the best for the workers and well... let's see how it goes I guess
also thanks for the video!
Genshin did the same with Zelda so Genshin is not original either.
The difference between BOTW and Genshin is They share the same genre but Genshin bring totally a different game. While wuwa may have different design but they didn't bring a whole new game. they are Similar in all directions.
@@CaelusXFirefly69 They did though ??? they give us more content to play, better exploration (wall running grapple hook etc.) better and meaningful combat, better and challenging boss fights etc.
@@NorthIniumLet's compare honkai impact 3 and Punishing gray raven. Both share the same genre but when you play it they are a totally a whole different game. Pgr have this unique combat control. 100% different homepage. different event layout. Different ui. different story presentation. that make both of them are totally different game from top to the bottom even within the same genre.
Now you compare Genshin and Wuwa. Almost 90% of wuwa is similar to Genshin such as ui interface style design overall gameplay etc. The only difference between them is the combat mechanic. Adding new content does not mean you created a new game lol
@@CaelusXFirefly69 You wrote half an essay without giving any real argument as 90% of the stuff you say is just wrong.
WuWa has an entirely diffrent gameplay cycle than Genshin.
Genshin doesnt have echos that fight with you, counters, perfect dodges, outro or intro abilities or Boss any form of challenging boss mechanics. So the gameplay is already different than Genshin by a long shot and you yourself even admit that gameplay = combat and exploration.
On top of that they made the exploration different and better allowing you to farm the open world for artifacts, make traversal more fun and less of a slog and make Coop an actually fun experience as you are able to do something together in the open world than just steal resources.
UI and Interface being "Genshin specific" is just stupid argument as Genshin themselves also copied somewhere else and why change something that already works ? It gives you familiarity and lets you easier start with playing the game than just sitting there trying to understand the UI.
In the end you just sound like another WuWa Anti that just wants to see the negatives and on top of that with a braindead arugmentation as to why WuWa is a "Genshin clone"
@@CaelusXFirefly69Go pick up your mints
“dish reads chat for 10 mins”
stupid people forget that there are always different flavors of spaghetti
but each of us have favorite spaghetti
in the end, it's all about how they cook and what customer to serve it
WuWa aesthetics for me is like from the Ghibli eg. Ni No Kuni and I really like it ♡
watching this felr like I attended a psychological meeting.. it ease my mind😌
I agree about the font with Dish... Love it.
Im not trying to be rude, but i literally though this was genshin before i saw the bottom half of the screen, probably because i stopped playing genshin like 6 months ago.
i don't know if i'm being weird by saying something like this but, i would love to hear miss dish yapping in stream about anything as my bedtime story
I was literally just saying that 90% of games drew some inspiration from past games or even shows/movies. Whether it was a character, a mission, the environment etc… damn near every idea a person comes up with came from what they heard or seen whether they know it or not. Also what you said about artists was a perfect example imo
i play genshin 100% for the lore and i could say that i was super impressed by the animation and the shading/lighting of this game its insane
after playing... well more than 2 gacha games ive noticed that all the games of the similar genre have something in common. like they might be using similar ui or style in general, but its fine. i feel like coming up with a new, 'unique' ui each time is kinda pointless.
also i happy that someone else finally takes the genre that genshin settled in. maybe it would make the devs move and do some stuff for the game
"most developers would be hard pressed for the opportunity to point a finger at a game without having that finger pointed back at them" is such a good quote oh my god
I agree 100% with your take on the font. It's sans serif all the way for me.
This video hits different when your sleep deprived
Damn I'm famous now 4:45 KEKW .. but just to be clear I was the one who raised the question about copying, it was a genuine question not coming out of bias, I haven't played it and I just joined the stream and noticed very similar stuff like Genshin like the UI. However, after I watched for a while, I saw that there are differences, and I got your point about nothing is original and I agree with you.
it’s obviously inspired by genshin but the style reminds me a lot of Nier Automata which I love and i think there’s a lot of room for creativity. Punishing Gray Raven also fit that style really well so I’m looking forward to seeing that style in an open world game too
I like how they listen to the community
i think the biggest point brought up is how YOU as a player enjoy each game and which you prefer. theres this magic thing called PREFERENCE and its different for everyone !!!!! im a genshin lore player, but wuthering waves looks really fun and honestly a bit more complexity compared to genshin's playstyle is something im super interested in!! i feel like a lot of this stems from people begging for online opinions because quite frankly, they refuse to think for themselves. its not that they cant, they're just not familiarised with developing unique stances on certain content because they've seen and had so many viewpoints thrown at them constantly from all angles, and they think they just sort of have to pick one. just remember to play what you enjoy, and enjoy what you play,
As a writer, if I get frustrated by the way a piece of art is written, and I think it should've gone a different route, I start to get ideas of how to change it. This energy can either be directed into fanwork (fanfiction and art) or I can create new characters with similar dynamics and backstories, but they head down a different path. I haven't played wuthering waves, but I suspect this game is inspired by people who experienced Genshin, wishes some aspects were better, and took it into their own hands to attempt to make that vision a reality. I cant help but respect anyone who does this, especially since its 10xs more difficult to create a new game compared to just complaijing about genshin online.
Tbh they could've added some unique features to make it less similar to genshin, but it doesn't look bad and that is what any open world game would look like if its not coming from a rich game company, and a well made plan.
What do you mean by "thats how it would look if it didnt come from a well made plan"? Are you insinuating ww is not a good game? I mean its a beta, genshin also didnt look as good as it is now. It was a development from beta until even sumeru maybe, when they changed their cutscene style slightly. Genshin beta, you can look up, had such scuffed designs and cutscenes. It was wacky.
"They could've adde some unique features to make it less similar to genshin "
Hmmm let's see Echo system, wall running, grappling hook( you can use it anytime) can pet dogs/Cats, you don't consume stamina when you run.
Hmmm idk ~ those are unique enough that genshin could never. but if it's not then people are just fucking stupid
@@HoyoWhiteKnightthe only difference between wuwa and Genshin is the combat mechanic everything else is a copy paste. Ui interface. Story presentation. Design. exploration overall gameplay is similar. I don't get it how they manage to make a game like PGR to be unique on his own and different then it competitor Hi3 even within the same genre from the top to the bottom yet they make Genshin 2.0 with better exploration mechanic and more complex combat mechanic.. while the rest of it is a copy paste. I hope they changed it on release like seriously. What's next copying the character trailer presentation? Livestream? treat their player like sh*t? (no just kidding 🤣🤣🤣)
@@CaelusXFirefly69design? half of twt is literally laughing at ww's designs for not being as colorful...
@@CaelusXFirefly69 i think its already different enough as it is.
1. story presentation - already taking different approach then genshin as its more discrete rather the genshin directs story telling. the dialogs show more in between the line and confused most CC that i see save for UnrealDreamer who catch on early. that's say its still need more polish especially in term of info dump early on, this is pattern in kuro because they want get over the basics terminology so they can continue with next contents. on the side notes, did you know that the one incharged of the writting is the same with survival lucem, THE one of best chapter in pgr?
2. Design - honestly i have zero idea why u think its similar considering genshin player own opinion regarding WuWa design which fits more with WuWa world views in comparison with Hoyoverse aesthetic which emphasize on characterization into the design with oversaturation and decorations which not weird if this is genshin because most of their characters are like thats. WuWa approach or KURO approach in their design is practicalities and moderns tradition for the characters. Kuro aesthetic is monochrome or desaturated as kuro is highly base of Nier series.
3. Exploration - there's not much to say as it both open world but WuWa already make many improvements for travesty in the game which help exploration experience.
4. Gameplay - now this make me curious if you actually knew how WuWa combat system because its crazy that u call it similar with genshin. Genshin is team composition as 90% of the prep is team building the combat itself didn't take much skills its heavily on elemental reaction which force many people to build character that they aren't interested. WuWa as it is now take more on player skill then character build as even end content can be clear IF u know what u doing and focus during the fight thats say there's still need for certain level of stats to clear the end game but those stat along didn't promise u victory in boss fight.
Idk why but WW reminds me so much of Paragon (which is a totally different game genre) lmao, maybe it's the graphics
Even if it copied genshin don't you forget that genshin itself also copied from zelda.
Ik I'm late to watching your video dish it's bc I'm somewhere new but I get what your saying, it's like if I take the same wook and materials the original artist used on this one thing but I change it to my perspective it's not copying it's just inspiration.Not taking the same idea from them just the things they used in your own way
I feel like they gave GI / HSR /HI3rd elements which I kinda lile😊
My view is Genshin getting competition is a good thing. Just hope it isnt like tower of fantasy and ultimately cash grab with low value.
Anywho, i think the UI cpuld use some work, look at other similar generes and take more inspiration from other places and add its own feel it its UI.
I wish it good luck, and hope ill be able to enjoy its story and world building because thats what i love in games.
In general, it’s not a gambling game like Genshin, i’m litearlly forced to play the game, meanwhile : having 3 five star characters in wuthering waves on the first day, which make it enjoyable, not tiring. THEY LISTEN TO THEIR COMMUNITY WHICH SO MUCH BETTER
Everything is a remix. There is no such thing as truly original. Everything is inspired by something that came before. I find the discourse about how "X copied Y is bad" so trite because they usually don't amount to anything meaningful. I'd rather hear people talk about how "The way X used this same thing from Y is..." because at least that way, people readily acknowledge that copying and getting inspired is a thing but instead of focusing on the fact that something was copied, they instead talk about how that copying was used whether it was for the better or for the worse.
Dismissively ignoring a thing's potential simply because people see it as a copy of something else on the surface is simply not the right way to think about things.
Everyone is forgetting the progenitor BOTW😭😭😭
the dyslexic comment is accurate, i prefer the type letter style and it’s nice to see a game that isn’t super bright and has a new aesthetic to it~
so what are your arguments on the millions of copy-pasted games China has regularly released lately? Do you dare to call them "having their own uniqueness" despite clearly blatantly copying other games in the market? I have seen a lot of UA-camrs slamming on these games but then here we are, you telling us that there's no such thing as originality and there's actually originality at the same time.
They gonna get cancelled if they speak truth 😂
I personally like WuWa a lot more as it does everything what I wanted Genshin to do over the 3 years. Good and challenging boss fights, make exploration more fun and less tedious (like running and wall climbing and that everything uses stamina is shit, Content to play in general, more resin BETTER GACHA etc.
Genshin will be dropped by me when WuWa launches as it does everything I wanted Genshin to do and more.
I am also tired of Genshin defenders sucking the glizzy and hating on WuWa and say that its worse than Genshin but cant even provide any good arguments for their thesis.