The harder a hero is, the less people play him - Lawbringer sucks
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Lawbringer is S tier in everything but actual gameplay
Top 3 for 1v1 easy
@@G.J-wt3nxwouldn’t say top 3 maybe top 5
@@oufro Not even that. He has nothing unreactable. His only upside is his damage, but nowadays it's on par with a couple heros. As a Lawbringer main, I'd put him high D-tier in duels, low B-tier in fours.
@@oufro Conq, Warlord and LB in Diamond 5 and GM especially in the top 10-15 in my experience
@@G.J-wt3nx Conq anywhere top tier in any game mode? You're nuts.
New player here:
I liked lawbringer at the beginning. Playing him taught me how to parry and when to just block. But after playing chars that have "complete" movesets. i'm not gonna go back to him. Not having a roll catcher and the impale being what it is it's just not worth the time to get good at him when there are chars who are both easier to learn and that have a higher skill ceiling.
yep, i think you summarised it perfectly, some characters have complete movesets, some dont. I find that i tend to parry better with LB or Warden, because i dont have to think about doing alot of moves, so i just focus on defense and reflexes. But if i really wanna win i use a character with a move of each type, not a character that gets their main damage of parries
Let me say this: I'm new to the game and only watched some gameplay 8 years ago when it came out.
So i boot up the game and play through the story mode to get a feeling for it (and to get the steel), i go into training mode and test out every single character. I immediately new who where top and who where bottom tier with only a few misses in the middle section. And i was not really suprised by it because Ubisoft always had troubles with it (looking at Siege too) and it makes me sad to see chars who i love designe wise being a pain to play and the other way around.
I think lb is weird. He has a lot of tools which I love about him, but the few he is missing are VERY important. I think he can be good, especially in 4s, and after 73 reps I'd say his skill sealing can be higher than given credit for in that learning when to do what.
His lack of neutral pressure and roll catches hurts though. I can see why you would go to other heroes. But he's still my boy and has been holding up fairly well in the average game. Especially post rework.
I will say on a last note, I honestly like every party change he got, the heavy parry punishes both have real and distinct use cases now. I just wish impale was reworked more to sell it in that role for light perry punishes. I think a raw damage equivalent of warmongers punish may be a better start, or at least adding a downward stab so I could get niche use on perrys that destabilize the opponent. Still it's just one part of the kit so I try not to fret over lost potential.
Then the people that play him do good, so the hero stays bad. LB seems cursed to be the bad hero good players use, never allowed to cross into the brainless hero list like Hito.
Like now LB finally has hyperarmor, but its ina time were everyoen else has it, and everyone else has more things. It feels like hes by design meant to alwayws lag behind other charcters, like ubi decided thats his character.
Im so bad at not rambliing, 3:40 this is the perfect example, they make sure you cant wallsplat out of a heavy parry, but Warmonger, a character with a richer moveseet, can do her impale, wich even does the damage instantly upon wallsplat, so youre less likely to get interrupted or fuck up the input in a chaotic situation. Like why cant LB get that? because he has like, 15 more hp than her?
It reminds me back when they said knights shouldnt have hyperarmor because thats not the vibe they were going for, some characters are just meant to always have less and i hate it
I hope your dont mean that you want lawboy to join the spam character side
@@mrpizzapop3576 hmmmm, like, i dont want that, but id also like if he didnt feel distinctly underpowered
@aguspuig6615 agreed i want to play him but then i get put in a match against a ganksqaud and wish i didnt pick him
i am lb and hito main just for the balance so i dont go crazy playing for honor all the time
warmonger still having her impale is just as unhealthy/unfair/unfun as impale on heavy parry was 🤷♂️
He should get hyperarmor after every parry like gryphon
I still dont know why gryphon even exists, hes just a better law bringer literally and cannonicly
@@apersonudontknow2172it’s to make fun of lawbringer mains like us.
His unblockable should be uninterruptible like Pirate’s
Idc how many years pass by, me and my Lawbringer will go to hell and back to have fun. DO YOU HEAR ME UBISOFT I KNOW YOU WATCH SOL, YOU WILL NOT BREAK MY SPIRIT AND I WILL NEVER FALL TOWARDS THE META I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL MY OWN WAY AND THAY IS FINAL SO BRING UBISOFT I WILL ADAPT TO YOUR BALANCE DECISIONS AND I WILL COME OUT ON TOP!
WOO LAWBRINGER!!!🤘🏾
Everytime I turn the game on straight to lawbringer I play this character and get my ass beat but I will get that rep 80 wish it was still 70 😅 he's my favourite wish they would add a move were you could shove on parry but the shove speed would be like the old shove, give you abit move mix up choices for parrying
Lawbringer will always be one of my mains. S tier Fashion, epic character in general but his kit is kinda based off parries and they removed his heavy parry impale, yet keep warmongers? I hope ubi can whip his pancake flip into something more useful in the future. Still one of my favourites after everything
For all the characters we currently have with broken BS it's crazy to me they thought the choo choo train was op
Lawbringer getting either a ledge kill or a guaranteed top heavy if he has his opponent positioned right off a heavy parry = OP
Warmonger having that exact same thing except you get a lot of bleed damage instead = OK
I've been using lawbringer way before his rework, and I honestly miss it in some aspects, mostly in the way of his bash honestly, the amount of mixups you could do with how it worked felt amazing. He will always be my main and I want another rework but I'm just scared what they'll do to him next if they give him another rework, with the way they're pointing reworks I just don't want him to lose what makes him unique like they're changing everyone else
Lawbringer rework ideas from a guy that doesn't play Lawbringer. All ideas are separate, but some could be combined for a better experience.
• light attack after bash and chain bash gains hyper armor.
• Honestly it would be cool to see his opening heavy attack be variable timed. You could even reduce the damage on faster heavies and increase damage on fully charged heavies without it ending the chain. No unlockable on fully charged because hopefully we all learned from Hitokiri, but lvl 2 and 3 heavies gain hyper armor.
• His finisher heavy could stun lock like with varangian guard and could be followed by either his bash, zone, or heavy.
• Why did they remove bash on block? Just asking.
• Why isn't chain bash faintable like almost every other hero? Like I get that bash on block AND faintable bash might be too much, but why doesn't he have either?
• idek if he has this already, but mid chain zone attack sounds good.
• You could also make his chain infinite like with Highlanders heavy into zone. Idk if he has that already.
• Decrease long arm speed by 100 Ms.
• Give him a finisher where he smashes an opponents knee cap with the hammer part of his weapon then thrusts the back end of his weapon through the enemies head before quickly popping it off. Just saying... It'd be cool.
I think you would like the rework that they made for him but trashed a while ago they gave him new animations and an in chain bash that could be fainted. I forgot when they made it but he was so cool but then they gutted him to what he is now
Bash on block is dumb lol
I think a more informative version of my brother in Christ's comment above would be:
I think shove on block would incentivize staring at LB rather than attacking - which makes for a boring fight.
@@aarongeorge347 Thank you kindly good sir for the breakdown.
the bash on block promoted seeeerrious turtle gameplay, back then i swear it was just a staring match everytime you walked up to lb
Reminder that LB's dodge shove has the least amount of iFrames because devs were too goofy to change that when they removed the HA from it and half the time you still get hit by top attacks
For having a giant polearm. It feels like he has really bad hitboxes.
Has a giant polearm and plate armor but his gameplay is completely parry-based 10/10 ubisoft game design, now he can't even do that as well anymore smh
Say it to closed spaces 💀 The terror of every main lawbringer is a narrow hallway
raider has the same problem
I've been playing For Honor for a while now (more than a year) and I can completly agree with what you say in the video. When I start playing I enter because some of my friends play the game and they convince me to download the game to play with them. The point is that my first character was Lawbringer and it felt really good to play as him. He wasn't as bombastic and super easy as other character but he feel very rewarding when you play him right.
When Ubisoft announced the rework I was super excited to see what they do with him and I play the Testing Ground as soon as it was released. There were some things that I didn't like, (like the triple light chain) but there were other I enjoy a lot. And when they released the final product I felt so heartbroken because they made my favorite character. My first Rep 10 character into a useless pile of metal that I just drop him. It was just, imposible for me to use him as frecuent as I used to.
Is just feel like you either are a reaction god and parry EVERYTHING or you're not gonna do anything. And that didn't feel right; specially when they took so long to nerf Afeera just a little bit, a character that you literally smash your head against the controller/keyboard and still can kill anyone. I just don't undertand why they made him so overly difficult for new players, because if I were a new player I wouldn't touch Lawbringer never. And I used to main him but playing him now just feel imposible.
they got rid of his recovery, its basically a fucking nerf dude. LB has never played shittier than he currently does and i have 59 reps on him
@@azulchamoyOh trust me, I know. We literally get a Hyper Armor Second Heavy attack and the possibility to continue a chain from a Zone Attack and exchange we lost damage values, impale, stamina punish and blind in the Light Riposte.
I'm convince that the only reason that Lawbringer recieve this rework is because one of the members of the development team got his ass kicked so hard by a Lawbringer that he took it as a personal vendetta. Because there is no f*cking way this "rework" come out as awfull as it did after everyone agreed that the second iteration of the rework was perfect.
I bitched about this character the entire time I played him starting with launch. The fact this sentiment is stilled felt to this day, and you're dealing with the same shit I was dealing with is just absolutely tragic.
i don’t think there is anything more stylish than lawbringer light parry and screaming AD MORTEM INUMICUS. he’s the captain falcon of for honor.
Random thought: technically it's bad to spin when fighting, but if you're a knight (like lawbringer) the armor would probably protect you enough for spinning to work, maybe even "deflect" a blade because you spin with it, because against non blunt weapons you'd (most the time) be such a tank. And spinning would give momentum like lawbringers side heavy finishers, so it has a use
You’re awesome bro thanks for helping me return to for honor
bro would scream at you for doing so tho lol
Yeah I remember we talked about this on stream. I really suffer with LB's dodgebash :(
I have 72 reps in him and I can’t enjoy him in pvp anymore unless I’m having a really good day for reactions. Without his parry impale (it’s borderline useless now that it’s only on light parries and your big top heavy is better for every scenario except for ledging) and his blinding attacks he lacks most of the pressure he used to have. My performance with law is also severely limited if my opponent can react (even if it’s poorly) to my heavies because his top UB gb soft feint almost never lands for me. You actually just have to be better than your opponent to win more often than not and I don’t want to have to tryhard to do good when I can pick half of the other characters in the game and do better for less.
Having so many combos locked behind a heavy has always felt wrong to me
Uninterruptable.
@@FrostvulWhat.
@@aecra his second heavy is uninterruptable!
@@FrostvulIt's super slow though and ridiculously easy to parry
@@FrostvulUnless my opponent puts down their controller they always deflect, all-guard, superior-guard, or just outright parry it
Personally I’d be all for single pick. I guess it’s not a very shared opinion cause otherwise it would’ve already happened.
Theres so many characters now it’s nearly impossible for everyone’s favorites to get taken.
Unrelated comment but man, i miss when the game somehow felt like it had no i frames, like it took me years to tell, it felt like your dodge was basaed arround the animation moving your hitbox. It was rare to see an atack clip trough a players model and do nothing, now its common for some reason
Because Ubisoft, and that's all you need to hear
@@Monsterthatsunderyourbed yyyup
If anything, I think they need to fix that problem asap I think I've lost so many fights to that stupid property that allows your opponent to just turn off their brain and Dodge at the right time in any direction for a get out of damage free card and infuriates me every time I guess correctly where they're going to dodge and yet the damage doesn't register even when the model shows them being hit by my weapon.
@@Wanderer-nw2so omg THIS
@@Wanderer-nw2so it gets even better when you correctly predict their dodge, only for your Guardbreak to fail anyway because they locked on to your mate and sidedodged. Or simply turn a regular dodge into an attack the moment they see you were baiting them into it
I'm praying this supposably rework for him puts him back in the game. I don't want Ubisoft to make him broken. I don't want them to make any hero I like broken. I just want them to make heroes, fun and fair
Hi solid, i started FH. Again after a 2 year break and i started on a new acc and tried to play orochi because of ur tier list video. Idk how i can get the full potential out of orochi bc i rlly shit at the game. Any advice? Or is orochi trash?
I miss my lb 😢pretty much since his nerf I barely play the game anymore
I have probably 1800+ hours on lawbringer and after coming back to the game from before pirate launch i have to say this is the worst time to play lb. So many characters have good openers, mix-ups, s, tracking, etc and lb still doesn't. He's been nerfed almost every patch that i can remember and still sits with an extremely limited and featureless moveset.
I love his aesthetic, but man I miss the 2nd testing ground iteration. I hope he gets better
Shugoki: Fat = Hyper armor
Hitokiri: Small brain = Hyper armor
Lawbringer: Full plate heavy armor = Parry only gameplay
He still doesnt have a roll catcher btw 😢
Nor kensei lmao his nature's wrath suck so much
@@dogehasagi8643you underestimate that power.
Both him and conqueror need roll catchers.
@@dogehasagi8643as a kensei main, natures wrath op 🙏
"People just don't know how to play LB!"
Ocelotl second bash is "high tier players who specifically look for the animation" *me who's been dodging it as lawbringer this whole time* maybe I am a high tier player
I believe the lawbringer rework was the worst rework they have ever done. Especially when lb needed an offense for years beforehand as everyone could simply sit there and you couldn't really do much as everything you had was reactable and hoping your opponent was stupid enough to fall for your feints. When the first Testing grounds came out. He was pretty good He finally had some offense to get into his mixups, but then a lot of people complained about him being OP when in my opinion, I don't think they've learned how to really fight lawbringer at all because as I stated before they could sit and wait. Ubi stupidly listened to them and weakened the hero to his current state where he has no offense a worse defense than before and damage that feels like I'm using a pool noodle rather than a poleax.
But if I was going to make the rework I would do it with some of the changes from the first Testing grounds I think they were really good ideas like the hyper armor on the chain and finisher heavies and the free heavy from a successful Long arm. I would add the undodgeable property to the zone attack and hype armor on the long arm as I feel it's practically useless without it. the last thing I would add is a soft faint bash from opener side heavy and a soft feint long arm from opener top heavy as a way to force your opponent to make a move.
As you can see with my changes, they aren't very extensive because lb Was a solid character before the actual rework, and all the rework needed to do was give him some offensive pressure to help him keep up with the current state of the game as the one lawbringer was designed for has long since passed.
For me i think the devs giving LB a feintable bash was kinda a slam dunk which they kinda just abandoned bc the community didnt like the animation (which could been fixed) and because many other heroes have them. I dont think he needs it necessarily; they probably could have done fine with letting LB bash after opener light, making his opener top light combo into his finisher instead of his heavies, and giving him an actual chase tool. Im not sure why the devs refuse to give LB and conq roll catchers 😂
As someone who plays duels mainly. It's hard to play him.
When I came back to the game after years I wondered why my boy felt so bad. I’m glad others have the same experience. He’s one of those characters where if you’re good at him, you’re just really good at the game, and you’d probably do even better with a different character
I’ve recently decided to switch from console to pc, and thought it would be funny to be that person online that you see with all reps on one character, so that’s what I’m doing with lawbringer…
I’m starting to regret that decision. He just feels very inconsistent, especially with the dodging, and doesn’t have nearly the as good tools that characters like shugoki have. He’s fun, but definitely needs some work.
2:50 saved by the ledge??
luckiest lawbringer player
I think it would be cool to give LB/Warden/Conq actual dodge attacks like how glad has a dodge bash and a dodge light. Light for warden and Conq, and a heavy for LB.
He requires a lot of good reads and parries. You will not have fun with him unless you’re able to parry a lot.
I think the only real issue that I have with law bringer is his low wall punish, removing impale on heavy was a wrong choice because with damages this low(21 if you don't long arm) it would be completely fine to have a impale parry punish, now there is almost zero reason to do the impale after a light parry. You can just long arm after Parry and get higher dmg. Maybe you wanna waste revenge or something but what are the chances
Adding ranked dom back with single pick and character bans like siege would be legendary
LET'S GOOOOOOO
11:13 lets gooo im on the vid
2:50 absolutely robbed
2:04 zaddy
True, shaolin's sweep range is massive and can catch a lot of hero's with weak dodges like lawdaddy and warden even when it seems like they dodged soon enough. And don't be rolling away from the sweep cause the top heavies right behind you lol
Is this video slowed down a bit or am i tripping?
It's wild to see what happened to this game, as a release player. I see vids and wanna play, but then I remember that they've changed the game so much I wouldn't enjoy it anyways. Still have my promotional knight faction pin from the GameStop release too.
I am very casual at this game. Play a few hours after work not every day and often take pauses for months until something new comes out.
So my opinion might not be that valid.
But I think it’s visually or logically ridiculous that some assassin characters have unblockable heavy attacks as a second one in a chain.
While the big strong lawbringer has to do a 3 attack combo to do it.
I guess just not good enough to parry everything like you’re supposed to as law. But his offence doesn’t seem like you can put much pressure compared to some spammy characters.
Wait where's the choo choo train moves? What happened while I was gone?
You talking about Impale?
Yeah you can't use it after a parry anymore even tho Warmonger can do hers like wtf
20 damage heavies. Lmao
They tried to give a rework and keep talking about keeping him unique, yet they removed one of the main things that made him unique with his heavy parry impale. Then they didn’t give him the damage to compensate. I mean sure he has damage buffs now, but they’re only a tiny bit. If you want a character to be unique don’t remove what makes them that way.
i will play lawbringer in tournaments again
This is basically how I’ve been feeling. I really want to like Lawbringer and Conq but both just feel not great to play. I want to like them, but their gameplay is just not there compared to almost every other character in the roster
A lot play him because he looks cool
Rep 25 lawbringer:
I'm not that good at the game so light parties are few and far between, meaning I don't really get to use his main strength in his light punish. However as a character his projectile feats make him fun to play
Ubisoft has missing chromosomes when it comes to balancing
he just needs 3 changes or two 1 more stamina as he relies on feinting hevies into guardbreak 2 this is optimal make his first heavy attack undodgeable 3 make only his side heavies soft feintable into a flip with this you would be able to start your chain with a heavy soft feint that into a flip get a guaranteed side heavy with this change his flip would actually be used other then in a 4v1 situation he would be able to soft faint any one of his hevies into a flip making his pattern more variable giving him more options to attack and this will give him good mix ups and a bigger attack pattern and before you think this would be overpowered just look at highlander that character is just nuts almost infinite stamina a feintable bash and a grab that you cant dodge unless you have a dodge attack and spoiler alert LAWBRINGER DOESNT HAVE THAT
Make more tier lists
Honestly he really needs something fixed up s on the bashes like goki would be a solid fix imo maybe something that can confirm more pancake flip
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One of the things that keeps drawing me away from this game is because easier to play heroes are so commonly used… sure, I main Valk, but I’m not “I’m gonna abuse my all guard mechanics” Valkyrie, it’s just boring. LB is a really cool character, I miss top heavy stuns, those were fun.. all these characters I like to play tho gets so easily countered by others like Hito and Afeera where you don’t need your brain to use them…
The law needs no rework. The law is perfect in every way lol
I love lawbringer still before and after the rework. I think the fact that not many people ay him helps because a lot of people aren't used to playing against him.
Bring back the old law bringer, I miss his top heavy blind effect and stamina drain. Bring back his stamina drain bash, and lastly his impale after a heavy parry.
All he honestly needed was hyper armor, but the devs going full retard made this abomination.
If he does get a rework his heavies should be able to soft fient into his long arm.
If Jonda still plays him, then who needs a rework😅
Internet issue vibes
New law gere i persoanlly had a hard time getting over his learning curve but once i got the tha hàng of him hes very fun to play however his matchups to current meta and even some others are lacking in his moveset regard imo
Personally i dont feel too weak playing LB. He's just a standard chain mix up hero to me. But i think lawbringer impale should work the same way gladiators deflect does. Can balance the damage however you like but he can throw u in left/right the similar to glad. Or instead he can throw you forward which does the normal impale but works like raiders gb forward throw, and you get some guaranteed animated damage at the end.
I can back dodge his entire kit lmao. Tf is he gonna do? A GB with those T-Rex arms?
Better s on dodgebash for Lb and conc plus no gb vulnerability, just like Shugo has.
And Lb deserves a chain light and heavy after missed bash, idk why only wu lin or Samurai have such good stuff but not a single knight or viking (correct me if im wrong)
Best way I could say it lawbringer = kazuya in terms of fun and ease of use
Virgin guard and pirate are the most aggravating hero’s to play against
VG is not even half of a nuisance as Afeera. Orangespam and delayed Heavies will do the job for you. She has no offensive, just like LB, so you have to make her react wrong.
Now Afeera? Just put your controller down, cause even only one arm is enough to play well with her
For me, its just he is not my style of play, I like to be centurion bc he punches ppl, Jj bc he chokes ppl, HL bc he kicks
The one thing I really hate are his laughable damage. Like how are his unblockables hitting like a weaker heavy attack and his heavies hit like lights for me atleast. Like nobushi has a 30 damage finished heavy or orochi with 30 to 38 damage. Like wtf happened to his damage. Is it because of his combo potential or somthin. His shove is so readable and his side bashes just dont have the s to dodge. Hes just so hard to go on the offence nowadays.
Worst hero in the game. He is pretty much a punching bag
From the title of this vid. Explain Nuxia? I’m one of the rare few… is she the hardest character to play in game? (Imo she is)
Bring back old conqueror
u cant dodge shit with lbs dodge bash
music got me wising
what is it its giving me mad nostalgia?
No way, it’s bombbringer
Lawbringer is my main im not good but i try my best
he’s not good but the players that play him are which will keep him bad. al the players who love to light parry off reaction like law which sucks bcz the character will only get patches like the one we just got
Aside from great fashion, I just don't know what LB brings to the table anymore. His parries are pretty unexceptional. His team fight is mediocre because he can't dodge anything. He's got one avenue of attack, and it's not even a particularly dangerous one.
No just no, he can get a normal heavy on impale on the heavy parry. He should his mixup is far worse than that of warmonger or cent. He has no unreactable offense, no stam drain. Actually he has no i frames on dodge bash they end the moment you input the bash exactly like nobushis side dodge heavy
I mean side dodge attacks all got i frames and standaradized besides nobushis side heavy, everyone has i frames on side dodge shit besides him and warden lol
And conq
@@noahlockard7101 yeah but conq has atleast a superior dodge but he needs Love too
Agreed
I hate to say this, but when the players personal skill is the only thing that makes said character actually able to match other characters, the character is just s**t, end of story.
On the bright side, at least he doesnt have a feintable bash anymore
A gazillion reworks and major game overhauls and still lacks simple character tweaks for balance and QOL. Almost 10 years in too.
Garbo game
(Cries in 1000 hours)
it’s not just that he’s bad, but he feels unrewarding and bland after the “rework”
I'd be happy if they delete kiai.
Give LB and Conq better i frames dont nerf goki the base charcters need love i play all 3 of these love them all.
Lol lawbro defense so good people literally wont attack. With no good opener hes so usless againt turtles
Dude, when are u gonna record these videos in at least 1440p ? It's like I'm watching Minecraft ...
lmao so sorry man its from streams
@@SolidSol69 oh didnt know that the streaming limits you like that man, pity. Its a shame because u know fashion, graphics and details in FH is so important for all of us.
But I love lawbringer
Ain't no way man thinks shugo is any good in the current state. Man is easily bottom tier as an anti gank and 1s character. You are not beating a good character In his current state, and he's been like that for months. Mans' side bash is his only viable move now in 1s. Bash characters eat him up for days. Lawbringer definitely got the better end of the stick when compared to those 2
lol ur funny, i think thats just a skill issue bro
@@Adamc06 haven't met a single shugo that is stomping in one's but cope harder ig
While I don´t think LB´s rework was as bad as Conq, and I do like some changes and nerfs (That max punish from OOS needed to go tbh), it definetly feel less rewarding to play as this hero who is supposed to be a punisher compared to a lot of other heroes. There is also other things, top heavy is still the same speed but do the same damage as the side heavies for... Some reason, and his dodge bashes are way slow for getting punish by GB if you ask me.
I do admit I didn´t like the devs didn´t add a Light Light Heavy chian,like,y tho
LB is actually just boring and not really powerful at all anymore. Low damage, shit mix, nothing unique anymore. He’s better with the hyper armor for sure though, but the kit is just lame af
Someone let Freeze into ubi offices and he kept nerfing my boy
lawbro is just too *boring* now 🤮
i rather play *pk* 🥰
Duh😂
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