I Upgraded to the RED Monstro in 2023... Holy Sh*t!
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2023
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DSMC2 RED Monstro 8K vs RED Weapon Dragon 6K(A basic comparison). I've used the Monstro for the last 5 months and the Weapon Dragon 6K for about three years. These are my brief thoughts comparing the two, since I don't see much content online about this topic. Thanks for watching! :)
Which DSMC2 sensor is your favorite? Let me know in the comments? - Фільми й анімація
For those who have watched my recent video about my experiences with RED reliability and RED Support(ua-cam.com/video/SKLKEQktdJ8/v-deo.html), I just want to let you all know that I stand by everything I said in this video. The Monstro is a phenomenal camera, especially for the price... when it works. Thanks for all your support! ❤
you bought a used camera and crying about it breaking it lol
It's insane for how much you can get a Monstro this days..... sureal
I know, it’s insane! You can get a full KIT for $10K on eBay right now. I paid $11,300 for my brain alone and thought that was a steal one year ago. Wild.
@@theolufsonPeople have lost their minds, mean while Alexa mini still around 30k with thousand of hours…
Amaizing ❤
stunning
Love my Monstro 🫶 I added the Skin Tone OLPF Vista Vision and it not only makes skin tones look incredible it makes everything look even more like a high budget cinema production. Small price for huge benefit. Better than V-Raptor in my opinion. There’s a great comparison on YT of Helium 8k with Skin Tone OLPF vs V-Raptor (DSMC 3 doesn’t support OLPF) and side by side the difference is obvious.
I have the Standard and Low Light OLPFs for mine but the ST/H is on my short list! You comment makes me even more eager to try it.
You got me thinking that a used Monstro, might be a better upgrade than V-Raptor. I'm upgrading from Varicam, with Komodo as my b-cam. And have to admit I'm hooked on the R3D codec. Seems like Monstro and Raptor have very similar images, but I understand that VV-Raptor has better signal to noise ratio that Monstro.
Either way, I'm hooked on large format photography and love the look of your shots at the end. Thanks for sharing your opinions!
For sure! I think the Monstro is a much better value-for-money than the raptor. The image is 95-98% as good for half (or less) the price. You won't regret it! :)
The monstro has more compression ratio and that’s really important for me as a red user. Also there’s a decent EVF for DSMC2 cameras with pretty low price for now.
Listen man , this was a 80k camera and now selling for 10-12k . What a steal . Sign me up
You mentioned that you have been experiencing some reliability issues. Could you tell us more about that?
How reliable are your DSMC2 cameras and what sort of issues have you been experiencing? Also, how have you been able to resolve the issues that you have faced with these cameras?
Hi, thanks so much for watching my video! Yes, I've experienced several serious issues with RED cameras (and RED Support) over the years. I was actually planning to make a video discussing these issues (and RED's questionable-at-best handling of them) here soon. In short, I've had a Weapon Dragon, Komodo, and the Monstro in this video all fail in production-halting ways over the last two years and have spent several thousand dollars on those repairs, with RED even trying to charge me almost $2K more for one repair for "recommended repairs", as they put it. Please stay tuned for that video - I have actually switched to Sony cameras for my main work since posting this video because of my horrendous experience with RED Support.
@@theolufson I am terribly sorry to hear that you have had such a bad experience with them. I would love to hear more about that in a future video. I have heard so many horror stories about RED cameras and so few good ones. That is of course not very unexpected as it seems that most people are more eager to be vocal about bad experiences in order to warn others from making the same mistake, but with RED cameras I feel like I hear so many more horror stories than with any other product so it is surprising that they still have been used for so many high end projects. Digging a bit deeper has lead to me hearing more good stories of cameras being problem free since their release dates basically and giving great return on investment. This has made me think that it might not be as risky as I thought to get one, but hearing from you that 3 cameras have failed you during productions within the last two years make it seem like maybe it is best to stay clear of RED all together. I often find myself in situations where a failing camera would have been a project killer and the thought of spending $10.000+++ just to have a inconveniently large paper weight sounds ... well..., not worth potentially getting slightly nicer images. Also, just having that extra stressful thought, while you are trying to get the shot, of, "my camera might shut off and die at any moment in the middle of a shot and in front of my client", makes it sound like we hate ourselves and are willing to pay to be constantly anxious and get ulcers. It would have been great to know exactly how many RED cameras that have failed out of all the ones they made so that we could get the actual %. At least if you know the chance of destroying your savings within a day then you can make an informed decision if the risk is worth it to you, but as it stands right now we are making that decision blindly.
@@kristofferskarsgard8024 Exactly right! That thought process is why I got rid of them. In fact, all three cameras experienced failures right in front of the client, and one of them happened about an hour into recording an online course - while literally just sitting on the tripod recording. Fans were running, the other DSMC2 camera continued working fine, and boom it just shut off and wouldn't turn back on. RED sent me a $2700 bill to fix it a month later...
I've started working on putting together the outline for a video discussing this. If there's any specific questions you'd like to know more about, feel free to shoot me an email at chance@cascarafilms.com. :)
@@kristofferskarsgard8024 Hey! Just wanted to follow up now that I've published a video about my full experience working with RED. You can check it out here! ua-cam.com/video/SKLKEQktdJ8/v-deo.html
How long can you run your monstro on one battery? Ours seems to only run for 45ish minutes on one thicc boi battery.
It depends on a few factors, but generally I can get 45 minutes out of a 95Wh battery(I appreciate your "thicc boi" terminology lol). My 150Wh batteries give me closer to an hour and 20 minutes! But of course, they're a lot heavier too. The camera is quite power hungry haha. RED themselves state it draws 50 watts in a basic configuration at idle, but I think it draws a lot more while recording(and seemingly more at idle as well).
Interesting that cranking the ISO, but also using an ND filter will expose for both indoor and outdoors at the same time.
I thought you were going to say that you used a mask in Davinci after the fact to get exposure correct.
I didn't know it was possible (without using HDR video) to do that.
That would be another way to do it! It’s possible, but only because of the very high dynamic range of the sensor. If I tried doing that on my Sony, the shadows would be way too grainy and very possibly unrecoverable. So it really only works on high dynamic range sensors (I guess kinda like HDR)
@@theolufson I see, but this is all in-camera? I'm curious how the camera "knows" that you don't want the windows to be over exposed and blown out.
@@SunriseWaterMedia It's all in-camera, yes. Since it's raw I can change ISO in post but in this case that's not really necessary since I need to use it in-camera to expose properly. This is a long video(link below), but it kind of explains what I'm talking about. RED essentially recommends shooting high ISOs in bright conditions, and low ISOs in dark conditions to force yourself to use ND or lights more, which gives you a better exposure overall. ua-cam.com/video/QfLkWyhGh7A/v-deo.html
@@theolufson Amazing info! I never knew ISO could be changed after the fact... Granted, I've never had the opportunity to shoot RED footage.
I want to get the Red Scarlet W DSMC2 but people are saying I should not invest in an old sensor and should just get a used Komodo. What do you suggest. There is a Red Scarlet W package for sale for $4000, includes everything you need to shoot.
I like both for different reasons! I’ve actually owned both, too. I personally like the look of the Scarlet W sensor more, it’s a smaller cut of a Dragon sensor. Better dynamic range by a noticeable margin compared to the Komodo which made a big impact in the shots I was getting, but Dragon is a very light hungry sensor so if you expect to be shooting in a low light environment go Komodo, it has better low light performance. Komodo is also much smaller, WAY lighter, and uses about 1/3 of the power while running which is even more of a real-world difference than it sounds. My S-W killed a 95wh battery in about 1.5 hours, while the Komodo ran 5 hours on the same battery. Overall I think they’re both great, really depends on what you plan to shoot. If you can take your time, light things properly, and don’t mind a heavier camera with more batteries, I’m of the opinion that the Scarlet W will give you a better image overall with more dynamic range to work with. The S-W also has a more ‘grainy’ look to it because it’s only 5K and is a very light-hungry sensor, figured I should note that as well. If you have any more specific questions about either of them feel free to reach out!
Side by side next lad. Side. By. Side.
Well I’ve since sold both of them soooo…
(Threw this video together quickly, was planning to make a side by side as well but both cam’s kept breaking and I finally had enough and sold them off lol)
Still happy with it in 2024?
Ended up selling it due to some reliability issues and poor RED Support experiences. However, yes, I still think that sensor is one of the best images for the investment you can get!
@@theolufson oh ok! I bought a Gemini kit yesterday ahah but agree, who many did you sold your kit? Prices decrease a lot
@@TLFILMS oh exciting! Let me know how you like it. With RED being acquired by Nikon now I’m hopeful things over there will improve and have been considering getting another cam (probably a Komodo since I want something more compact if possible, but we’ll see). I sold my entire Monstro kit for $14,900 in March. I had some more rare modules like a LongTake and a direct-mount Ultra Brite monitor but even still, I think that ended up being a great sale price.
@@theolufson agree, very unstable market nowadays
@@theolufson do you think it's the same story with their v raptor vv?
Sound in this video is horrible.
3:47 It's pronounced "eye sow", Bub. The letters are never spelled out.
I hear it both ways.
Lol. I say it both ways, just depends on how I'm feeling that day 😂