Have a W800 and am very satisfied, returned to riding after many years . I’m 72 so nostalgia played a role in making this choice. Agree with all comments made in this video.
Great to see another 70 yr old riding a bike. I'm 74 and owned a BSA Lighting 650 back in 1968. Beautiful but not the last word in reliability. The W800 comes closest to capturing the BSA look but with modern reliability. I presently ride a Suzuki Boulevard C50T and love it. I may try to sneak a W800 into my garage when my wife isn't looking,!???
@@barrymacneil1471 I'm super fortunate as my wife says things like "I don't know where this new motorbike came from, but it sure does look good with our other motorbikes." - I definitely have a Unicorn!
I have owned an earlier model of the W800. The styling is superb - more British than Triumph! The other important thing is that the motor still has a 360-degree phased crank which gives the authentic British twin sound and feel. Most retros have now gone over to the 270-degree crank which has some technical benefits but just sounds wrong in a retro bike. The 270 makes a sound just like a Guzzi or Ducati, when surely you want a proper parallel twin sound when you're harking back to the glory days of British bikes? The W800 cleverly incorporates a balancer shaft which deadens the worst big twin vibrations but keeps the classic sound and power delivery. Well done with your choice and happy motoring!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog the W is a unique and reliable Japanese bike and probably handles a bit better with more comfort for daily riding. I worked as a Kawasaki dealer mechanic from1979 to 1984. The original and then the 750 twin always looked funny to me, but beauty is one of those personal things. Enjoy your great bike. 👍
exhaust sound pref. are all relative to the individual. I hated the retro pea shooters on my T120 and once I did a Motone X pipe, and added Predator Pro slip ons, the bike really came alive. To me, it sounds perfect and makes that 270 crank really growl.
Great review! I went through the exact same thought process when I decided on the W800 and I have never regretted the decision. If Triumph had produced this modern retro, it would be considered the greatest modern retro...some people just cant get past the Kawasaki badge. It is a classic motorcycle in every way it needs to be and modern in every way it needs to be, in my humble opinion. I have owned many Kawasaki's and they have all been bullet proof...this bike will be on the road for many, many years with only basic maintenance. The W800 is one of the few Kawasaki's sold in North America that is still 100% manufactured in Japan...I'll take the reliability odds on that any day.
Thank you for commenting! I agree that if this were to be made by Triumph, BSA, or Norton, there would be more fanfare than there is. I'm not sure what happened in the USA for this bike not to see like crazy! I love riding it about.
I can't get over the fact that this bike, the W800, has been in production in since 2011 but here it is 2022 in the US and I've had 3 or 4 recall notices on it. You'd think they'd have perfected it by now.
If my wife told me this will be your last bike you’ll ever buy I would divorce her. 😀 Great channel. You have helped me decide and I got my brand new W800 this morning without even test riding it. I will pick it up in a few days but I trust your judgement, Sir because I’m 48 and the time when I rode fast bikes is way behind me. Thank you.
Yeah that comment "This will be the last bike you buy" - has generated a lot of comments - the thing is I ride motorcycles into the ground. I had a 1984 BMW R100RTp that had 330,000 miles on it when I sold it to my friend for $1. (no blue book value) - I have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC with well over 100,000 miles on it, and then a 2011 G650GS that has around 5,000 miles on it and the W800 which has just over 3,000 miles. LOTS and LOTS of room to cover tons of miles, and what I'm figuring out is the more bikes I have, the less each one gets ridden. To be fair though, I do have my eyes on a Kawasaki Z900RS... so, the W will NOT be the last bike I buy.
Love how you shined on the “this’ll be the last bike you buy” comment from your wife. I have among my other road toys, a project bike. My wife said “if you ever get that thing running it’s gone”! My retort was, “if I ever get it running, you’re gone”. Got a big laugh, still have all my road toys and the inventory will grow!
We are already in talks about what our next addition to our collection will be. At this point its trading out the Suzuki boulevard s40 for something fun to throw around. The Z125 pro is the current leader.
Nice! Among the air-cooled retro twins, this is at the top of my list. I agree with you about the bevel-gear-driven camshaft, which puts it over the top, both in design and sound, IMHO. So much to like about this bike. If my long-distance touring bug ever goes away I would pick up the W800 in a heartbeat.
I'm 38... as a kid i had a Yamaha DT 50, between my 16 and 20. And since then, i had no bike.. last year i bougt an Honda PCX 125 to secure myself that if my 30 year old car "dies", i have some transportation. But now.. i just need something else. And i'm seriously thinking about this beautifull Kawasaki W800!! Hoppe that some day i might have one!
I highly recommend thw W800, if you get an opportunity to take one for a test ride, I'd be very curious as to your experience with it! Thank you for commenting!
I am currently living in Japan. I chose the W650. It was originally all about the looks. When I was out on my Yamaha SR 400, looking for a bigger bike, I spied the the W650, and knew I would have one, so long as it is not considered a mechanical disaster. It has proved to be a very reliable bike ! It has a few features that are different from the W800. It as a kick start as well as electric, also a carburetor instead of fuel injection. It was manufactured before the emission regulations forced the industry to change. The Ws are beautiful bikes, all the looks of those classic British bikes, and all the reliability of the Japanese ones. Enjoy !
I'm moving to Japan and plan on purchasing a W800 for touring and motocamping with saddlebags on the bike. I expect to be on the highway 10% of the time--at most. I'm hoping the W will ride comfortably on most of Japan's roads--including not being too big for in-town riding--and still be able to ride at legal highway speeds for shorter distances when needed. Does my thinking fit with your experience?
"The last bike you'll ever buy??????" I'm on #89 now, with 60 years of riding, competitive Dirt riding, racing, building, etc and I still want a new bike every 2 years or so at the most. Right now, it is between the W800 and a T100 or T120. The SEARCH is what is fun for me. Very nice and CLEAN oratory on your Video's. Thank you Sir.
Really appreciate your insight and opinion! I tend to put lots of miles on bikes, (up to 330,000 miles) and have 3 bikes I'm currently the primary rider on. I love riding the W, it's a nostalgia machine for sure! Thank you for commenting!
Good video. I've been riding for over 50 years and I may be riding the last bike I own. It's a 2019 Yamaha Bolt. I like the W800 too. I also have a Yamaha Zuma 125 for riding in town. It's a lot of fun.
I have a 2020 just like yours and absolutely love this bike, just love riding it. Its my Goldilocks bike and my last bike as well. I'm 67 and have been riding since 1985.
You've been riding a year longer than I have! I think this is my goldilocks bike too... lots of two lane highways and back roads all over Vermont (where I live) I do have a G650GS with 60/40 tires on it for the dirt roads and some light trail work, and a R1200CLC for the mile eating highway rides, but most of the time, I pick the W. Thank you for the comment!
Thank you so much for commenting!!! I so enjoy my W800, everything about it screams nostalgia and brings me back (even if for just moments) to being 19 and feeling the amazement and joy of the freedom of two wheels.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Yes, exactly! I had not been on a bike for over 30 years, but riding the W has brought all those wonderful sensory thrills back. It is, like you said, "being 19" again! I am so enjoying riding! Even the late November Missouri weather is not chilling my enthusiasm. (Although I may have to check out some better cool-weather gear!)
Thanks for sharing these thoughts with the world. This is basically perfect for me too (similar situation to yours etc.). Your review is super helpful. Thank you.
When I wanted a classic bike 29 years ago, the retro craze hadn't started, and I bought the real thing, a 78 Triumph Bonneville 750. It doesn't have modern features like electric start, it vibrates a lot and the brakes aren't brilliant (even though this is one of the later, disc brake models), but I love it and will never part with it as long as I'm physically capable of riding it.
I have a 1967 bsa thunderbolt, a 1980 moto guzzi SP1000, just sold my 1982 xs650 yamaha, and bought a 2012 Triumph T100 a few weeks ago. I had two 1966 W2 Kawasakis which l had from the early 1980's until about 9 years ago. I covet the W800, but wish it was a 950cc bike. Having said that l could possibly live with the later model W800 with twin discs and ABS even though the engine is small. I love the fact that it still has under square bore and stroke dimensions being bore 77mm x stroke 83mm. It is also a low compression engine at around 8.4:1 whuch means there is room for some mild performance improvements. This immediately puts it good company of the big Norton twins 750 and 850 of the 1960' and 70's. No other bikes except perhaps HD who have never provide performance figures, produce an undersquare piston stroke and sleeve bore, these days. In that respect the Kwak is quite unique. Power at the crank? Who cares, power at the back wheel as on a dyno test, is the real power figure, but to me torques is where it is at. The W800 has 30 Nm of torque than the RE interceptor which is just under 100 cc smaller. Who wants to sit there revving the tits off their bike, slipping the clutch two up, to get off the mark. Give me explosive torque everything, something my dismally performing Triumph doesn't have. The Triumph is a complete let down. I am 95kg, obviously too large. I am also 6' so too long as well, as the triumph cramps me up terribly and the seat is horrendously uncomfortable even with an air hawk. It doesn't brake properly or to put it this way if l closed my eyes l could be braking on my xs650 Yamaha. On the Triumph, why the one inch bars with even thicker grips? Can hardly wrap your hand around them. Looking into the W800 now, l think its time to cross over.
I absolutely love my W800... riding it feels like I've boarded a time machine and brings me back to my youth puttering around on an early 70s motorbike. The nostalgia is very strong with this bike! The 360 degree parralel twin is an absolute joy and I love the over engineered under stressed motor, should have plenty of miles / km of life!
I just bought the last 2022 W800 in the US at,$2500 off! I prefer to ride secondary roads at 55mph max going faster only under necessity and bread runs. This bike does what I wanted and I am happy. By the way it is fun to ride!
'Youngling' at 31 years old currently considering the W800. Currently driving a GPz550 from -82. What makes me hesitant is the lack of saddlebags-support from Kawasaki.
Dig the star wars reference! The W is a fantastic and well mannered motorbike and I believe you would have many enjoyable hours riding it, especially since your current bike is a 1982 sport bike. Although Kawasaki does not have saddlebags for the W, there is a tail rack, which easily accommodates a myriad of tail bags, Amazon and Ebay both have saddlebag mounts specifically for the W, which means you can pick from an assortment of leather and waxed cotton bags for extra capacity. What do you typically use your bike for, and how critical are the function that the saddle bags meet? Do you need hard cases? Thank you for commenting!!
The bevel-gear drive was not invented by Kawasaki and was probably reverse engineered or copied a patent from the older Norton, Ducati or aircraft engines of WWII and is actually the best thing that could happen to any bike. No cam chain to break, or to stretch which affects valve timing.
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 where did you find that information? I know they bought the engine rights from BSA but the bevel drive apparently came from Norton and I’ve not found any information claiming they purchased rights to it. It was apparently reverse engineered. (Stolen)
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 That's interesting but I think a little bit off. BSA didn't acquire Norton until 1972 (or 1973 depending on where you get your information), so they couldn't have owned the rights to the bevel gear drive until long after the 1966 Kawasaki W1 bike. It's an interesting history, but the information I could find still leads one to believe Kawasaki had to "steal" the bevel gear drive from the Norton Manx long before BSA had anything to do with Norton. However, Airplane engines used this technology at the time and I think Ducati might have also, so it's only a guess where Kawasaki got their "idea" from. Do you concur?
Pure racing speed is one form of motorcycling but it's not really that safe on public roads. So a motorcycle that has a torquey motor with a warm low frequency rumble has the ability to make for a very enjoyable ride. And that's what it's all about ... enjoying the ride.
I very much enjoy the two lane hiway enjoyable rides to some 'sight seeing' - the W800 is a grand motorbike to do that (IMHO). Thank you for commenting!
Pure racing speed is one form of motorcycling but it's not really that safe on public roads. stay off the roads as you do not deserve to ride on them.. ffs jesus
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really love the W800 for the reasons you mentioned but would need to convince the wife to get another motorcycle. Maybe someday I'll find the courage. Maybe the only thing I would change with the W800 is a tubeless conversion kit. Subscribed, just in case you'll upload more W800 content.
Definitely will be featuring more W800 videos! You know what they say about the formula for the perfect amount of motorbikes (N+1 (N=current amount of motorbikes)). I'm super fortunate because my wife says things like "I think this motorbike would look great with our other motorbikes!."
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@@bigbluemotorbikedog mine says: if I see one of our kids even just sitting and gazing at your bike, I am up for divorce...
i ride a w800 everyday, have done since 2014. it's pretty good! pros: easy to maintain, comfortable ergonomics, nice and quiet (the neighbours love this when i go to work at 5am), one key for everything (ignition, fuel, helmet lock) decent speed, reasonable handling (at legal speeds, it tends to get squirrelly above this), decent mileage: a 10 litre tank will take you 210km around town cons: the clutch cable broke (and was replaced with upgraded version), the rear axel wanders (making you think the chain is stretching prematurely), the paint wears (wherever your feet touch the levers and crank case will be bare metal pretty quickly), the key wearing down will cause the rear brake light to fail intermitently (fuct if i know why, just change over to the spare when it happens lol!)
@@bigbluemotorbikedog it drove me nuts for ages, at first it was a flickering tail light; so i checked the bulb... then i changed it... then i investigated every single wire, and connection all the way from the rear to the front of the bike where, lo-and-behold, i discovered the fault in the key barrel! the no-cost solution was to us the virgin spare key :D
Great bike, you won't be dissapointed. I did almost 28k miles on mine with zero issues. Lovely bike, best looking retro IMO, but hey, sure, some of the other bikes are defo more exciting. Cheers
Nice calm video. Good points were made. I am also a fan of the retro look like this although right now I am leaning more towards Indian Scout or Chief. I learned long ago on a 78? Honda CB750 which was way too big of a motorcycle for me. Having a 31 inch inseam on a bike that stood more like 34 at the seat was problematical, but it did teach me to balance at slow speed and even hold balance at a stop (for the most part). Enjoy your ride and stay safe. o/
Thank you for the comment! My first "big bike" was a 72' R75/5. The Indian is an iconic bike. I've always loved the big valanced fenders of the Indian.
A sensation machine, as well as my 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 and my 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. Having two bikes is not so reasonable, but at 70 years old, I will only swap tham for a Softail Harley. How do we know it is the last one?
I have the 2021 W800, 2018 Vespa Touring GTS300, 2021 Moto Guzzi V7 Centenario, a Chinese clone of the Honda CT70, I have a Honda Monkey on order and I've put my name on the first Honda 300 Scrambler that we see in the US (because my first bike was a 1968 Honda 160 scrambler). I'm also 71 years old and have been riding for 55 years. Oh, and I had a Harley Softail Classic. 62 bikes in all.
Well i'm 73 and ride a ZX-14r.It's bike number 42 and will be my last bike.It warms the heart to see comments from senior's like us that still do this.Ride Safe.
I have owned many bikes over the years, if I had kept a few , I would be a wealthy man today . I now own/ride a W650. like yours, it's a beautiful machine to own and ride . 50 bikes later, it might well be my last , weight and balance are a big factor as we age and very few look this stunning as well . Dave NZ
I've had a few bikes over the years that I looked back more than once after parking them, the W800 is definitely a beautiful bike! Thank you for commenting!
I miss every bike I've ever sold and really wish I would have kept a couple of them at least. Missed but never forgotten, they were all a joy to ride! I've decided the W is a keeper no matter what comes along.
The Z900RS is a BEAUTIFUL motorbike! A total rocketship too! The W800 is much more of a 'show bike' that is absolutely beautiful, and performance is aligned with a retro motorcycle. If you are a 'tourist' on your motorbike (enjoying the ride, following speed limits, and loving the experience) then the W is definitely the bike for you, if you love modern performance while having the look of a gorgeous retro, being able to rocket through the twisties, then the Z900RS is for you.
Wait a sec - the cylinder head fins are a copy of the Triumph twins. the BSA's were rounded. But unlike the Triumph, it has an overhead cam so it needs a tube to carry the drive to the cylinder head, so they made it look like the Ducati bevel drive - so its a hybrid Triumph Ducati - A Tricati maybe? Kawasaki made it slow so (a) it didn't damage their sporty sales and (b) it wouldn't scare the older rider market who bought it.
The original Maguro K3 was based upon licensing acquired from BSA for the A7 model. Kawasaki revamped it in the 60s as the W1. Personally I think this bike is absolutely gorgeous, and you've got the target audience right, although some younger people like it too. Tricati, clever, hadn't heard that one before... this one would be more A7catiguro tho (BSA - Ducati - Maguro) maybe? Sometimes different companies mushed together make a great bike! (thinking of the Triton) Thank you for commenting!
Hey Nice Review, I'm a Royal Enfield 650 guy but I love the W650 and 800 and looking for a good deal on a used one, preferably the 650, In my opinion and its only my opinion the RE is the closest to all a 60's or 70s British bike but you are so right the fit and finish on the Kawi is amazing, I love Kawasaki's W Series, I loved your review, Thanks for the vid I really appreciate it and to you as well, Keep Rubber Side down. Cheers Karl Squire.
I super like the RE series - I thought the 500 was a great bike in all it's variations, and am glad to see the twin 650s also. One of my main parameters in narrowing down which bike I was going to buy was about the proximity of a dealership / shop, unfortunately RE doesn't have a shop/dealership'close' (within 90 minute ride) to where I live. Thank you so much for commenting! Cheers!
Thank you for the comment! I am very fortunate that my wife rides, she currently is riding a 2022 Can Am Ryker Rally edition and absolutely loves it. Her previous bikes were a 2016 Suzuki Boulevard S40 and a 1999 Honda Shadow VLX 600.
Before I bought my 2022 W800 I watched all the videos I could find for the W and its competition. My decision came down to a few facts and personal preferences. 1. The W800 is drop dead gorgeous. Much better looking than any other retro bike on the market. 2. The W is built in Japan by a manufacturer famous for reliability and quality. 3. The W800 has bags of low end torque so you can ride it in a lazy or brisk manor without having to wind it out like a 15,000rpm sport bike. 4. I could not find one owners review where the reviewer did not love his W800 or W650. 4. The W800 is a rare bike and due to its air cooling may not be available much longer. 5. It is a simple bike by todays standards and is relatively easy to work on and maintain. When I looked for a W800 in stock I only found one within reasonable driving distance. I went to look at it and the next day I pulled the trigger. Although I don't get the seat time I would like the time I do spend on the W800 provides great and memorable experiences. It is not a perfect motorcycle and no motorcycle is, but it is a bike that is almost perfect for my riding style and stage of life.
Just bought a 2013 Honda cb 1100 in like new condition for 6 grand. chrome fenders, in line 4, air cooled, fuel injection fun and easy to ride. smooth and powerful. but I too love that W
i can sympathize with w800, but when it comes to 'old timey but good' bikes, bmw and mg have made bikes in the 600 to 800 range which are low maintenance, smooth and fast enough.
I like the full size chrome mudguards. You don't get them on most modern, supposedly retro bikes, even as an optional extras. The latest Triumph bonneville being the case in point.
"This'll be the last bike you ever buy so get something you really like...." That's a nice sentiment from your wife, but I don't think she understands how this motorcycle addiction works. Did you nod your head and say, "exactly, honey, this'll be the last one." : ) I'll be curious to check out that new BSA single that's coming out. I'd like to add a modern retro to my garage. I currently have a 1975 Honda CB750 and a 1964 Triumph TR6. Both great bikes, but it's good to have one modern motorcycle in the mix. I had a 2017 Moto Guzzi V7iii but I didn't love it so I sold it.
So I did edit out the context there, I appreciate you reminding me! In our garage we have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC, a 2011 BMW G650GS, a 2016 Suzuki Boulevard S40, the 2020 Kawasaki W800 and a 2022 CanAm Ryker Rally Edition (and my daughter has a Chinese dirt bike too). "My" last bike purchase (that was solely for me) was the 2003 BMW R1200CLC, her comment around 'this will be the last bike you purchase" was around the two decade mark that tends to occur in between bike purchases. (I'll be in my 70s, in two decades and not sure I'll buy another bike then, I'm super duper hoping I will still be riding). We are firm believers in the N+1 formula for motorcycle ownership. The Gold Star grabbed my attention too, I'd be curious if you get a chance to ride it what your thoughts are!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Twenty years ago when I was only 49, I met a retired Air Force guy in southern Spain on his Suzuki Bandit. He was 77 years old and riding solo around Europe. I was amazed and told him I wish I could do the same when I get older. He said *"Don;t stop riding."* I left CONUS in 2010 and now in the Philippines riding my W800. I'm thinking about downgrading to a lighter ride to make it easier boarding ferries for inter-island travel and to cut fuel expenses. Also my legs are less capable now and a 150cc scooter for my 70th birthday seems right. *Keep riding!*
@@cycoklr Keep riding is good advice. Just did a 2300km ride round Spain and I,m 74. I did switch to a scooter though (Yamaha xmax300) a couple of years back.
This is one of the most beautiful bikes I ever seen. Just looked it up and here in the Netherlands does little over 10k new. An absolute bargain if you ask me. The only little thing I miss is a fuel guage, but that isn't lockpicking but nitpicking 😂
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Enjoy your bike 😀. In the market maybe for a Vespa, or at least a scooter sort of vehicle. Not for long distances (up to 20 or so miles). My father and an uncle drove Honda CB bikes. Got a weakspot for that retro stuff 🤠
Like you I’m now 73 and have ridden my Kawasaki Vulcan VN900 for the past 15 years but at nearly 700lbs find that when I’ve got to start having to maul it about it’s now getting a little too much although I can’t fault my old lady in any way and so like you I need to find something lighter , and like you I’ve narrowed it down to the Vulcan s , w800 and Royal Enfield
Have a 6 year old W800, lovely machine. Only improvement would be for an engine sound more like the genuine (Meriden) Triumph. However, why is it @ 1/4 heavier than a Triumph when the only excuse for more weight is a starter motor & bigger battery? Huge difference between pushing the Daytona T100R out of the garage and the W800.
I believe a lot of the added weight is the use of steel instead of aluminium or plastic, part of the 'throwback' and 'retro' allure. If anyone knows more about it, I'm happy to learn! Obviously a lot of weight isn't great for pushing around the garage, or performance on the road, in my experience it does recreate the nostalgia and memories of pushing my old 1972 BMW R75/5 around tho (which came in at 452 lbs prior to crash bars, faring, backrest etc), which is slightly less than the 496 lbs of the W800.
Greetings and Thank you for commenting! There were five things really. #1 I absolutely LOVE the bevel cam drive on the W800, it grabbed my attention years before I decided to by a bike. I already had two daily riders (both BMWs, a R1200CLC and a G650GS), opening myself up to our 5th (and 6th as my wife bought a new Can Am Ryker Rally Edition at the same go) bikes in our garage (counting our kiddos dirt bike) it had to have something that you don't see often, and that bevel drive ticks the box. So many times people guess Norton or AJS as the manufacturer. The only place Kawasaki printed their name was on the back of the seat... #2 I wanted a motorbike that was under 500 lbs ready to ride. The T100 is close (503 wet). #3 I wanted a bike that was less than 10k out the door. (Triumph T100 is 10+k MSRP). #4 the closest Triumph dealer is 121 miles away. At least while under warranty I want to make sure the company does the service on the bike to make sure everything is 100% correct. Rural back roads for 120 miles (4 hours one way) to get an oil change and x mile service didn't occur to me as a day well spent (especially if something went wrong and suddenly I needed to leave the bike). My Kawasaki dealer is 70 miles. (I live very rural/remote) #5 I like that Kawasaki has been in business producing motorcycles including the original W1 without interruption. The manufacturing is top notch, and the W800 is still made in Japan. That all being said, there are some things I've added/modified/changed on my W - it's a fantastic platform, but you know us riders - have to do things to make them our own and customize them to better fit us.
The Kawasaki W800 is a very good motorbike. Mine is over 11 and a half year old with nearly self ridden 80.000km on its speedometer. When the W800 came out on the market, I traded a W650 in for it because I like the bigger engine more. And the looks plus this and that. The W never left me stranded wether on longer touring trips in Europe or cruising around in my home town. It's a very reliable motorbike that always starts and will run with low fuel consumption not being pushed hard, averagely 4,2l/100km. The engine is strong enough for all situations in my eyes. By no means weak with nearly 800ccm, over 60Nm and round about 50HP. It has typical parallel twin vibrations in the range between 3.000 and 4.000U/min. They don't bother me. Kawa tried to damp them a bit. Outside this range the W is a very smooth running bike. I would always choose my W over other pseudo retro parallel twins like the ones from RE and Triumph. Why? I think the Kawa is better with a better build engine and a speciality, in German "Königswelle", which will set it apart from all other motorbikes today.
Thank you for commenting! I love that you quoted a German word, and gave the kilometers you put down. I appreciate hearing about the reliability of the W, thank you!
2:18 really nice shot. Enjoy your beautiful bike. The Royal Enfield Himalayan is the bike that got me back on a motorcycle after 30 years. At first, I thought the 21" front wheel was huge, but after doing a bit a dirt riding, I realized it's benefits. I think most roads here in the US have turned to crap and now think 17" front wheels are dinky. "Retro", Cruisers, and ADV bikes are the only segments that specs 18"+ front wheels, and ADV bikes are too tall for many, and Cruisers too cruisery. I think it's great that the W800 has a 19". If "Naked" modern bikes would start offering 18"+ front wheels I'd give them much more consideration. Taller front wheels just give me more confidence on our deteriorating road surfaces.
In New England many of our roads are 'aged' and in need of repaving, although there is a lot being done, many still suffer from broken asphalt, deep cracks, hastily filled potholes and the like, I concur with your assessment! The photo at 2:18 was taken on the shores of Lake Memphremagog ( www.google.com/maps/@44.9341643,-72.2071056,409m/data=!3m1!1e3 ) in Newport, VT. You are correct that the W800 standard has a 19" front wheel, and definitely helps with the lower quality roads. She's a great 2 lane hiway motorbike! Thank you for commenting!
I understand the MSRP on the Kawasaki W800 is around $9200.00 US (last I checked) and that can be a bit pricey, what I did is found a new old stock 2020 in 2022, got a deal on it, and was able to hit a really good price point on a geat looking, fun to ride nostalgic bike. I'm not sure why it didn't sell well state side, but there are deals to be had if you don't mind a new bike from yesteryear.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thanks for the great review. I suspect that the main reason the W has not sold well in the US is the relatively low horsepower. For the same price as a W800 you can get a Z900 that makes more than twice as much power, but 51 HP would be fine with me. I currently ride a 9 HP Honda C125 Super Cub which will eventually go almost 60 mph if you hold the throttle wide open long enough. Unless there's a hill.
@@kirby0101 True - the Z900RS is a sportier bike, I think it lacks the character and 'soul' of the W800 tho. The Parallel twin just has a sound and feel to it that is almost like a time machine transporting back... My first two wheeled motorized vehicle was a Vespa P200E, I went everywhere and in all weather (even snow) - I do enjoy riding a slow bike fast more than a fast bike slow (same speed, i.e. 46mph/75kph)
Hi, very good looking bike! Do you think it would be good for a beginner? I’m 52 and just learning how to ride. I plan on just riding around my neighborhood first but would like something I could (eventually) take on the highway also.
Greetings! I love the W800 and it is what I'd call a "tame" 800cc motorbike, it *is* kind of tall tho, I have a 30" insteam, am 5'8" (and 1/2) and am kind of a 'bigger bloke' at 220lbs. I can comfortably put both feet down, someone shorter and less heavy may not be able to. My honest, sincere recommendation is to go take the beginner class, get your license and start riding a bunch of different bikes. Start with the ones that you like how they look, and then move on from there. You may find you love the one you like the looks of the best, or that you found a bike that rides like a dream for a beginner, but you'll definitely trade out for the dream bike later. I love it that you are starting your 2 wheeled adventure and best wishes for many safe and happy miles ahead!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thanks for the advice! I’m riding around the neighborhood on a Honda Monkey but would like to graduate to one I can take on the highway eventually. Having fun so far. 😆🐵
it depends on your height, weight and confidence. The w800 is not a light bike, its 220 klios with fuel in the tank. Some beginners might be ok with it, others might drop it in the parking lot and damage the tank/side covers quickly. But its power is nothing to worry about, its moderate to compotent on the highway, but doing 2up going above 100km/hour will tire you quickly.
Thank you for the comment Chuck! It's a two part, with the first part being that my closest Triumph dealer is over 100 miles away. I like the Bonnie's and the speed twins a lot, not a fan of the bench seat on T100 (I have an old tailbone injury from a wreck in my youth). The bevel cam drvie on the W800 is just gorgeous to me, and the last bit of the second part was cost. Picking up a 2020 new old stock provided savings above the beyond the 1k MSRP delta between the W800 and the T100. Hope that helps!
I like the W800, but I thinkI would go for the Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special. The V7 came out in 1967 and still looks a lot like that. It has heritage since Moto Guzzi been made since 1921 and it has driving modes, EFI, ABS and Traction control, and shaft drive. The 850 produces 65 HP.
Moto Guzzi is definitely a cool brand. When selecting the W800 one of my considerations was how far I would have to go to get it worked on (I live very rural). My closest Guzzi shop is nearly 200 miles away. I love a shaft drive (so little maint). The after market also meant a lot to me, the W800 has been out for a while world wide, so crazy we just started getting them Stateside (I'm older so 5 years is "just") hahaha. Thanks for the comment!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog We started getting them stateside in 2000 and 2001 and they were the 650cc (I had one, now I have the 800) but they didn't sell well so we haven't seen them here for 20 years. Now they are back for at least a 3 year run, but we'll see how long Kawasaki keeps importing them. I think they sold better this time, but like you said, they are aimed at the aging rider so their fan base is going away quickly.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog200 miles is too far to have any bike seviced. THe W800 is rodk solid Kawasaki and will be trouble free for many years. I also live in a rural setting and until recently the nearsest Guzzi dealer was in Cincinnati, about 200 miles away. But now there is the Throttle Company in Columbus, Ohio which is only 100 miles. That could make a difference for me.
ive had a w800, and now i have a guzzi big block 1100, which is a way more real guzzi than the v7 850s, but I would say they could not be more different. The W800 is a relaxing gentlemens cruiser, you travel on it, both to sight see and to rest your soul. The Guzzi is your stallion, red hot blooded, makes you feel wild and passionate. I am shopping for a w650 now, to have both bikes side by side, for two different mood and occasion of riding, the guzzi and the w.
1) It's beautiful 2) It's a joy to ride 3) It's a nostalgia time machine 4) I never walk away from the bike without turning around and looking at it 5) it's a wonderful commuter / 2 lane highway bike 6) easy to maintain with excellent build quality, precision engineering, and a lot more use of metal than many other bikes, even 'retro' ones. 7) It's rare to see another one on the road. Do one of those help? Thank you for commenting!
Kawasaki makes excellent motorcycles. I have 2005 800 Vulcan classic I turned into a very nice bobber using a kit from Blue Collar Bobber. Added whitewall tires, drag pipes and floorboards, and other goodies. I get thumbs up every time I ride it. I also have a 2020 Triumph Rocket 3R. I get more thumbs up for my Kawasaki.
The Rocket3 is a BIG bike! I've just started modifying the W800 (risers and a fly screen) but I already enjoy it very much. Thank you for commenting and watching the video!
I bought a 2019 W800, Knowing today what i now know about the bike i would not buy another. First is the total lack of accessories available such as a fork stabilizer and appropriate luggage racks. The next problem is changing spark plugs is an incredible nightmare as is any maintenance. I've owned over thirty bikes in my 70 years and none have cost me as much as this one did and is so dissapointing
Wow, I'm really surprised! Sounds like you had a really rough experience with you 2019. I have found a lot of accessories Internationally, but I haven't really thought about using the W800 as a touring machine, I have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC for that purpose. I have seen a few bits about replacing the fork springs and rear suspension, and did find this video for a W650/800 fork brace as well. ( ua-cam.com/video/SQHy9qx2XiE/v-deo.html ) Obviously I haven't tried to change the spark plugs yet, so I'll have to investigate that. Thank you for commenting!
I am an English guy in my 60's but I would buy this over a Triumph any day......and I have a Sprint 1050. However I do have a'97 'blade and a '98 Bandit 12 too.
I'm a big believer in having multiple bikes for multiple purposes. You may enjoy my follow up video where i introduce our other motorbikes too. ua-cam.com/video/PQtFAcqR84o/v-deo.html Out of the bikes you own, which do you ride the most?
Great vintage looks, I still like the Guzzi v7 850 better, shaft drive, only problem with both of them is after 30 mph the wind and elements kick in. Naked upright bikes are a blast to ride on backroads , light and nimble, easy to get out of garage lol! Keep u out of trouble with less power and handling as opposed to a sport bike, not much storage for a jacket, thermos, or a water, nice secondary bike for a gold wing or ultra, chief, voyager ect
Also, having ridden both, the Kawi is more comfortable than the Guzzi, more relaxed than the guzzi, i have a vaquero for touring that I absolutely love but the w 800 would be a nice secondary bike, were such victims for motorcycles lol!!!!
I truly wish they had left the kickstarter on the bike there was no reason except for cost cutting on the part of the company to have it deleted sure you can't start it with a dead battery by kicking it but you can kick it any other time. With the bevel Drive instead of a cam chain driving the top end it will be supremely reliable and you will never have the fear of the cam chain breaking and destroying your engine as you silently right to the side of the road. It should have a belt drive instead of chain and it should have hydraulic valve adjustments to do away with periodic valve adjustments. Those are two elements of my Sportster that I love because I put so many miles on my bikes.
I agree a chain has the least longevity of a drive element. I used to only purchase bikes with shaft drive because they are the longest lasting and lowest maintenance of all drive trains. (of course they do rob horsepower to the wheel, so there's that). I had a 72 with a kickstarter that you COULD kick without a battery, but it had a magneto instead of an alternator, different times back then. (was in the 80s when I had the 72). I think the valve adjustment (it's super easy) was on purpose as was the chain to capture some maintenance nostalgia as well as performance. Thanks for commenting.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I got around a hundred thousand miles out of the Bell Drive on my Forester before it snaps or needs replacement. I like to shaft drive on my CX500 Honda and all of my BMWs because when you put a lot of miles on a bike when you add up all the amounts for Change and sprockets and chain room never mind the labor to change them and cleaning the wheel all the time it's a win-win situation when you snap Drive never mind if you're worried about 2% power loss then go on a race track where they rebuild the bike every year from step to start. Keeping the kickstarter would have kept in with the Nostalgia theme and it would be a positive selling feature especially since the Millennials considered kick starting to be a masculine saying that is very rare nowadays even though I know lots of girls who can Kickstart a Triumph that I taught them how to ride a motorcycle on.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459 100k miles is bonkers good for a belt drive. Our Suzuki S40 has a belt drive and never gave us any issues, I've been a hardcore BMW rider for most of my riding career (Since the mid-eighties). There were a few decades where I would put 20k miles or more on a bike, truth be told I haven't gotten any wear near that since I've been in New England Much shorter riding season than say the west where we moved from. Hopefully Kawi is listening to feedback, rumor has it that 2022 is the last year of the W800 in the USA, I hope that's not the case, super great looking bike IMHO.
Definitely would be cool! I like the W myself, but an early Kawasaki flag would really be something, make the bike more mysterious too! (unless someone was really versed with Kawasaki history)
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In Japan, this bike is now sold as Meguro K3, exactly with that old meguro flag. They revised the marketing aspect and Meguro is a brand that the ageing Japanese respect even more than Kawasaki... As the meguro (river) logo is also now visible in Kawasaki website and many of the bikes... Maybe a spin off for classic bikes is being planned.
Am 48, never owned a bike, and if ever I buy one, it will be a vintage one. Looking at modern bikes with their pseudo futuristic styling makes me sick to the stomach and pushes me away from bikes. But then looking at beauties like this is what draws me in.
There are lots of beautiful modern retro bikes. I'd recommend taking a beginner rider course if you're interested... you may find it lights a fire in your soul.
If you are used to a sport bike it would seem like that.... and I believe that it was engineered to replicate the power and performance of the bikes of yesteryear. The Z900RS would definitely have more performance with a retro inspired look. Others too... for me the W800 goes exactly like I want it to... I am the type who would rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. (The actual speed would be the same).
@@bigbluemotorbikedog , good point, it certainly does the speed limit. I actually own a z900rs. I love these retro-looking bikes. The new shapes don't do it for me
That's pretty much why I want one... I want an old school analog style bike , I don't like any other tech than fuel injection and ABS.. I don't need a huge fast, loud bike ... This is just smooth
I had a W650 a few bikes ago, now have a Triumph. In many ways the W more fun and true to the spirit of Brit bikes ( I have had a few) I have had many positive experiences of made in Japan bikes, not convinced Thailand built bikes any better despite what (plastic) badges they badly glue on them.
I'm fairly certain that W650 and W800 are both available in the UK, in the states they just weren't very popular, which confuses me a bit as I think they are beautiful motorbikes.
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Lovely bikes...and for sure they will last more than us, even if we last another 50 years. By the way... The clip with sound was just as you woke her up, right?!?! It sounded too revvy when compared to mine, for althe usual idle...
Love my W800 as well, same recalls, had them both done prior to delivery. One of the best in town/city and 2 lane highway (up to 55mph) motorbikes I've owned!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog About 60K..never an issue except, when I didn't store it properly and didn't ride it for six months. Carb needles floats stuck.. a Very reliable bike..Didn't like my custom-designed titanium 2-1 exhaust I made for it (at great cost)..just couldn't get the jetting right to match the increased flow for all speed ranges. Changed tank, seat, rear frame, guards, lights, indicators handle bars..it's a mess, but its still cool and almost right.
Triumphs are built in Thailand (I believe) and it’s only marketing that pushes the myth of ‘Made in England’. At least RE are honest and proud of their Indian origins. That W is a cracker, very nice bike.
A beautiful "throw-back" to the early '70's with the W800! To all you whiners about the whimpy 50hp output, stow it, that was the level of technology back then! 🏍️👍❤️Doug
I think it's a gorgeous bike, absolutely beautiful, and 50hp was a LOT back then, the W series in the sixties and early seventies was definitely a performer. Thank you for commenting!
I agree. Hands down, the most handsome of the "retros". I do not care for the cafe racer fairing version, in the ugly color combo. Enjoy your bike, it's a beauty. I am a little biased. My first Kawasaki was a KV75 in the early 70's. I've own dozens of their street bikes, and always return to Kawasaki, after "cheating", with another brand.
I would love a close chaincase on this bike! A larger displacement version that pumps out some more torque and horsepower would definitely be a welcome addition ( i suspect it would at least )!
Do you mind me asking what price you were able to get on that 2020? I found a leftover 2020 w800 at a dealership a few hours away from me. I actually own a 2019 Cafe but regret not getting the standard. I’m considering selling my Cafe and buying the standard if I can get the right price
It was a smart decision not to buy the RE Int 650. POS. Mine broke down three times in just 2 months after purchasing it. I dumped onto to someone else.
Nice! I do like Triumph, I was looking at a Scrambler. My closest Triumph dealer is about 3 hrs away... so that didn't work. One of my favorite riding buddies had the Bobber.
Man, I would kill to have a radio-key for my bike. I am forever getting on the bike, wearing my helmet and gloves and all zipped up, only to realize that my key is in my pocket somewhere. On a side note, you're in your 50's, and your wife is telling you this in the last bike you'll ever buy? That's depressing! I'm in my 50's, and I have a long list of bikes I hope to get yet.
I explain her comment in the follow up video. My wife is definitely not limiting buying more bikes. There are some information security videos on radio keys ... I feel your frustration tho with keys in pocket.
It's the only parallel twin that has actual heritage, the "Triumph" models have zero to do with the original Meridian company, ditto the Enfield, or even the new BSA single, they are all bought name pastiches (though excellently executed).....the bike this Kawasaki is based on was made by the exact same company in the late 60's.....in itself based off BSA twins, though quite different. It's an important distinction shared by perhaps Guzzi and Harley but few others. This bike's heritage isn't cynically manufactured.
Two primary reasons, detuned for lower end torque, and air cooling are the first contributor, the second is to re-create the nostalgia of the original W1. Benefit here is you have a near bullet proof (not literally) engine that's under stressed and can keep going and going and going...
I consider the W800, the Royal Enfield 650 twins and Classic 350, and a couple of models from Triumph, to be representative of classic BRITISH motorcycles. They don't look like 1960s Harleys or Hondas. The mid 60s British bikes are my favorite design for motorcycles. I currently own 6 bikes. Only one of them is a real classic bike, my 1966 Triumph Bonneville. I don't consider it "retro", it's the real thing. All my other bikes are old enough to be carbureted with no ABS. My bought new 1997 Kawasaki Vulcan 750, which currently has 119K miles on it, all mine, is EXACTLY the same as the 1985 model, which makes it a 37 year old design today. My bought new 2016 Honda Rebel 250 goes back to 1985 as well, but even back then it used 1970s technology. I bought it mostly as a collectors item. 2016 was the last year of the Rebel. Since 1985, I have owned 4 Honda Rebel 250s. My bought used 2002 Harley Sportster 1200 EVO also dates back to 1985, and the Sportster itself goes all the way back to 1957 with very few changes. I also have a bought new 2013 Royal Enfield B5 Bullet. It got a redesigned unit construction engine in 2011, but still used 1950s technology, with one exception. It came with EFI and a catcon exhaust. I replaced the EFI with an Amal Concentric MK1 carburetor, and put an aftermarket non catcon exhaust on it. The last one is a bought used 1979 Vespa P200E scooter. Two stroke engine, manual shift and clutch, front drum brake, kick start only, premix only, sealed beam headlight. While the styling had changed somewhat from the original 1940s Vespas, it is still totally recognizable as a vintage Vespa, and is an absolute blast to ride. However, as much as I love all these bikes, four of them have a major problem. The Triumph, Rebel, Royal Enfield, and Vespa all have TUBE TYPE TIRES. And while I realize that is something that goes with really old bikes, it makes them unusable for anything but very local riding. The Vespa at least has a spare tire/wheel. For me that limits them to being ridden very close to home. On a bike with tube type tires, a flat tire means a tow truck. Which means I have to stay within the towing range of my road service plan, and also within range of cell phone service. During my 45 years of riding I have been stranded dozens of times by tube type tires, and almost killed a couple of times. Tubeless tires can almost always just be plugged and reinflated when they are punctured. Not so with tube type tires. I've also noticed that tube type tires have a lot more flats than tubeless tires. At least that has been my experience. I saw a video where a guy literally punctured a tube type tire with a wooden toothpick, but could not do it with a tubeless tire. So I only have 2 bikes I can actually go somewhere on. I have ridden the Vulcan 750 all over the U.S. and parts of Canada and Mexico. I have never had a flat out on the road on it. I have found objects that punctured the tire a couple of times while inspecting them at home, but the tire did not lose air. The object that punctured the tire sealed the puncture. Not going to happen with tube type tires. I would seriously consider buying a bike like the W800, even though I am NOT a fan of EFI, and absolutely would not accept ABS. Fortunately ABS can be disabled. There is no way I would allow a computer to take over control of my bike. To me, controlling the bike, and knowing that bad things can happen if you mess up, is a huge part of the fun of riding. Something like the W800, with the ABS disabled, would make a great replacement for my well worn Vulcan 750. Except for one thing. It has tube type tires. All of the retro bikes do. And I have to wonder why. EFI and ABS, and 1940s tire technology. There is no reason whatsoever that a new bike needs tube type tires. Cast wheels (and Honda's ComStar wheels) have been around a long time. Yes I realize those wouldn't look right on a retro bike. But Honda solved that problem back in 1986. Just Google a picture of a 1986/1987 Honda Rebel 450 wheel. That bike, which was only made for 2 years, had tubeless tires on wire spoke wheels. But they didn't do it the ugly BMW way by attaching the spokes to the very edge of the rim. Honda came up with an ingenious way of doing it. You have to really look hard to see what they did. Sadly, Honda never used those wheels on any other bike. Neither did anyone else. They would be perfect for all these retro bikes. And they would not be expensive to make. But the manufacturers of these bikes just don't care. So why did I almost write a book about the evils of tube type tires? Because the difference between tube type tires and tubeless tires are literally the difference between whether a bike can only be ridden close to home (assuming you have a cell phone and a road service plan) or ridden anywhere. My favorite type of riding is long distance touring. And when you have a flat on a bike with tube type tires far from home, assuming you have a cell phone and service, it could cost you hundreds or even thousands of $$$ in towing charges to get it towed to a place that fix it. And you have better hope that it is not on a Sunday or Monday, when all the shops are closed. Yes, that happened to me, even with a road service plan. I had to spend 2 days in a motel, eat at fast food places, missed 2 days of work, and pay a dealer over $200 to fix a flat tube type tire. Over $700 and a pissed off boss total. Had it been a tubeless tire, I could have plugged it, reinflated it, and been on my way. Think long and hard before buying any bike with tube type tires. I don't even know why DOT allows street legal bikes to be sold in the U.S. with tube type tires anymore.
That's quite a bit of information! I agree that tubeless tires can be accomplished while preserving the spoked rim (has to be solid on the interior), I haven't had the issues you've had with tubed tires, but I get how that would be a major concern, especially in remote areas! Thank you for the comment and the information!
Have a W800 and am very satisfied, returned to riding after many years . I’m 72 so nostalgia played a role in making this choice. Agree with all comments made in this video.
Thank you for commenting!
Great to see another 70 yr old riding a bike. I'm 74 and owned a BSA Lighting 650 back in 1968. Beautiful but not the last word in reliability. The W800 comes closest to capturing the BSA look but with modern reliability. I presently ride a Suzuki Boulevard C50T and love it. I may try to sneak a W800 into my garage when my wife isn't looking,!???
@@barrymacneil1471 I'm super fortunate as my wife says things like "I don't know where this new motorbike came from, but it sure does look good with our other motorbikes." - I definitely have a Unicorn!
@@barrymacneil1471 Someone else suggested just telling her you've had it for years...... Dave NZ
I have owned an earlier model of the W800. The styling is superb - more British than Triumph! The other important thing is that the motor still has a 360-degree phased crank which gives the authentic British twin sound and feel. Most retros have now gone over to the 270-degree crank which has some technical benefits but just sounds wrong in a retro bike. The 270 makes a sound just like a Guzzi or Ducati, when surely you want a proper parallel twin sound when you're harking back to the glory days of British bikes? The W800 cleverly incorporates a balancer shaft which deadens the worst big twin vibrations but keeps the classic sound and power delivery. Well done with your choice and happy motoring!
Thank you for the comment and your insights!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog the W is a unique and reliable Japanese bike and probably handles a bit better with more comfort for daily riding. I worked as a Kawasaki dealer mechanic from1979 to 1984. The original and then the 750 twin always looked funny to me, but beauty is one of those personal things. Enjoy your great bike. 👍
exhaust sound pref. are all relative to the individual. I hated the retro pea shooters on my T120 and once I did a Motone X pipe, and added Predator Pro slip ons, the bike really came alive. To me, it sounds perfect and makes that 270 crank really growl.
@@thebigempty_5792 I agree! Exhaust note is like music, it's all about what the listener enjoys!
Triumphs are made in Thailand so it's a choice between Japanese or Thai. I'd choose Japanese.
Great review! I went through the exact same thought process when I decided on the W800 and I have never regretted the decision. If Triumph had produced this modern retro, it would be considered the greatest modern retro...some people just cant get past the Kawasaki badge. It is a classic motorcycle in every way it needs to be and modern in every way it needs to be, in my humble opinion. I have owned many Kawasaki's and they have all been bullet proof...this bike will be on the road for many, many years with only basic maintenance. The W800 is one of the few Kawasaki's sold in North America that is still 100% manufactured in Japan...I'll take the reliability odds on that any day.
Thank you for commenting! I agree that if this were to be made by Triumph, BSA, or Norton, there would be more fanfare than there is. I'm not sure what happened in the USA for this bike not to see like crazy! I love riding it about.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog It's beginning to look like it's a 3 year bike this time. I'm not seeing any indication that the US will get a 2023 model.
I can't get over the fact that this bike, the W800, has been in production in since 2011 but here it is 2022 in the US and I've had 3 or 4 recall notices on it. You'd think they'd have perfected it by now.
@@spydie thank you for the heads up! I will check recalls
@@spydie that would be a bummer. I love the w800...
If my wife told me this will be your last bike you’ll ever buy I would divorce her. 😀
Great channel. You have helped me decide and I got my brand new W800 this morning without even test riding it. I will pick it up in a few days but I trust your judgement, Sir because I’m 48 and the time when I rode fast bikes is way behind me. Thank you.
Hoping you love your New W800!!!!!
Yeah that comment "This will be the last bike you buy" - has generated a lot of comments - the thing is I ride motorcycles into the ground. I had a 1984 BMW R100RTp that had 330,000 miles on it when I sold it to my friend for $1. (no blue book value) - I have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC with well over 100,000 miles on it, and then a 2011 G650GS that has around 5,000 miles on it and the W800 which has just over 3,000 miles. LOTS and LOTS of room to cover tons of miles, and what I'm figuring out is the more bikes I have, the less each one gets ridden. To be fair though, I do have my eyes on a Kawasaki Z900RS... so, the W will NOT be the last bike I buy.
Love how you shined on the “this’ll be the last bike you buy” comment from your wife. I have among my other road toys, a project bike. My wife said “if you ever get that thing running it’s gone”! My retort was, “if I ever get it running, you’re gone”. Got a big laugh, still have all my road toys and the inventory will grow!
We are already in talks about what our next addition to our collection will be. At this point its trading out the Suzuki boulevard s40 for something fun to throw around. The Z125 pro is the current leader.
Thank you for your words! I’m looking to buy my first bike and this one is the one that catched my attention the most.
Thank you for commenting! Best wishes on the search for you first bike! Have you already taken a motorcycle safety course?
Nice! Among the air-cooled retro twins, this is at the top of my list. I agree with you about the bevel-gear-driven camshaft, which puts it over the top, both in design and sound, IMHO. So much to like about this bike. If my long-distance touring bug ever goes away I would pick up the W800 in a heartbeat.
Thank you for the comment! What bike do you ride for long distance touring?
I'm 38... as a kid i had a Yamaha DT 50, between my 16 and 20. And since then, i had no bike.. last year i bougt an Honda PCX 125 to secure myself that if my 30 year old car "dies", i have some transportation. But now.. i just need something else. And i'm seriously thinking about this beautifull Kawasaki W800!! Hoppe that some day i might have one!
I highly recommend thw W800, if you get an opportunity to take one for a test ride, I'd be very curious as to your experience with it! Thank you for commenting!
Thanks!!. I will do a test ride as soon as possible!. 💪
I am currently living in Japan. I chose the W650. It was originally all about the looks. When I was out on my Yamaha SR 400, looking for a bigger bike, I spied the the W650, and knew I would have one, so long as it is not considered a mechanical disaster. It has proved to be a very reliable bike ! It has a few features that are different from the W800. It as a kick start as well as electric, also a carburetor instead of fuel injection. It was manufactured before the emission regulations forced the industry to change. The Ws are beautiful bikes, all the looks of those classic British bikes, and all the reliability of the Japanese ones. Enjoy !
Thank for the information and for commenting!
I'm moving to Japan and plan on purchasing a W800 for touring and motocamping with saddlebags on the bike. I expect to be on the highway 10% of the time--at most. I'm hoping the W will ride comfortably on most of Japan's roads--including not being too big for in-town riding--and still be able to ride at legal highway speeds for shorter distances when needed. Does my thinking fit with your experience?
I bought a brand new W3 650 in 1973. I spent more money shipping it around the world than I paid for it! wish I still had it.
"The last bike you'll ever buy??????" I'm on #89 now, with 60 years of riding, competitive Dirt riding, racing, building, etc and I still want a new bike every 2 years or so at the most. Right now, it is between the W800 and a T100 or T120. The SEARCH is what is fun for me. Very nice and CLEAN oratory on your Video's. Thank you Sir.
Really appreciate your insight and opinion! I tend to put lots of miles on bikes, (up to 330,000 miles) and have 3 bikes I'm currently the primary rider on. I love riding the W, it's a nostalgia machine for sure! Thank you for commenting!
Good video. I've been riding for over 50 years and I may be riding the last bike I own. It's a 2019 Yamaha Bolt. I like the W800 too. I also have a Yamaha Zuma 125 for riding in town. It's a lot of fun.
I'm a huge fan of right tool for the job too! Thank you for commenting!
I have a 2020 just like yours and absolutely love this bike, just love riding it. Its my Goldilocks bike and my last bike as well. I'm 67 and have been riding since 1985.
You've been riding a year longer than I have! I think this is my goldilocks bike too... lots of two lane highways and back roads all over Vermont (where I live) I do have a G650GS with 60/40 tires on it for the dirt roads and some light trail work, and a R1200CLC for the mile eating highway rides, but most of the time, I pick the W. Thank you for the comment!
I like your analogy of “insect bike!”😁 I agree 100%. Be safe and happy riding. Good review.
Thank you for commenting and the well wishes!
Thanks for the nice vid. You helped me decide on the '22 W now sitting in my garage!
Thank you so much for commenting!!! I so enjoy my W800, everything about it screams nostalgia and brings me back (even if for just moments) to being 19 and feeling the amazement and joy of the freedom of two wheels.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Yes, exactly! I had not been on a bike for over 30 years, but riding the W has brought all those wonderful sensory thrills back. It is, like you said, "being 19" again! I am so enjoying riding! Even the late November Missouri weather is not chilling my enthusiasm. (Although I may have to check out some better cool-weather gear!)
Thanks for sharing these thoughts with the world. This is basically perfect for me too (similar situation to yours etc.). Your review is super helpful. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the kind comments!!!!
When I wanted a classic bike 29 years ago, the retro craze hadn't started, and I bought the real thing, a 78 Triumph Bonneville 750. It doesn't have modern features like electric start, it vibrates a lot and the brakes aren't brilliant (even though this is one of the later, disc brake models), but I love it and will never part with it as long as I'm physically capable of riding it.
That's awesome! I'm glad you enjoy your Bonnie!
I have a 1967 bsa thunderbolt, a 1980 moto guzzi SP1000, just sold my 1982 xs650 yamaha, and bought a 2012 Triumph T100 a few weeks ago. I had two 1966 W2 Kawasakis which l had from the early 1980's until about 9 years ago. I covet the W800, but wish it was a 950cc bike. Having said that l could possibly live with the later model W800 with twin discs and ABS even though the engine is small. I love the fact that it still has under square bore and stroke dimensions being bore 77mm x stroke 83mm. It is also a low compression engine at around 8.4:1 whuch means there is room for some mild performance improvements. This immediately puts it good company of the big Norton twins 750 and 850 of the 1960' and 70's. No other bikes except perhaps HD who have never provide performance figures, produce an undersquare piston stroke and sleeve bore, these days. In that respect the Kwak is quite unique. Power at the crank? Who cares, power at the back wheel as on a dyno test, is the real power figure, but to me torques is where it is at. The W800 has 30 Nm of torque than the RE interceptor which is just under 100 cc smaller. Who wants to sit there revving the tits off their bike, slipping the clutch two up, to get off the mark. Give me explosive torque everything, something my dismally performing Triumph doesn't have. The Triumph is a complete let down. I am 95kg, obviously too large. I am also 6' so too long as well, as the triumph cramps me up terribly and the seat is horrendously uncomfortable even with an air hawk. It doesn't brake properly or to put it this way if l closed my eyes l could be braking on my xs650 Yamaha. On the Triumph, why the one inch bars with even thicker grips? Can hardly wrap your hand around them. Looking into the W800 now, l think its time to cross over.
I absolutely love my W800... riding it feels like I've boarded a time machine and brings me back to my youth puttering around on an early 70s motorbike. The nostalgia is very strong with this bike! The 360 degree parralel twin is an absolute joy and I love the over engineered under stressed motor, should have plenty of miles / km of life!
I just bought the last 2022 W800 in the US at,$2500 off! I prefer to ride secondary roads at 55mph max going faster only under necessity and bread runs. This bike does what I wanted and I am happy. By the way it is fun to ride!
I tend to ride 2 lane hiways myself, seems to be where the W is happiest. I agree that it's a complete joy to ride! Thank you for commenting!
'Youngling' at 31 years old currently considering the W800. Currently driving a GPz550 from -82. What makes me hesitant is the lack of saddlebags-support from Kawasaki.
Dig the star wars reference! The W is a fantastic and well mannered motorbike and I believe you would have many enjoyable hours riding it, especially since your current bike is a 1982 sport bike. Although Kawasaki does not have saddlebags for the W, there is a tail rack, which easily accommodates a myriad of tail bags, Amazon and Ebay both have saddlebag mounts specifically for the W, which means you can pick from an assortment of leather and waxed cotton bags for extra capacity. What do you typically use your bike for, and how critical are the function that the saddle bags meet? Do you need hard cases?
Thank you for commenting!!
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Thanks for posting this. I'm of a certain age as well and can relate to what you are saying. Enjoy the very nice bike!
Thank you for commenting!
Thank you for commenting!
The bevel-gear drive was not invented by Kawasaki and was probably reverse engineered or copied a patent from the older Norton, Ducati or aircraft engines of WWII and is actually the best thing that could happen to any bike. No cam chain to break, or to stretch which affects valve timing.
And it's gorgeous!!! Love the bevel drive!
it wasnt stolen... kawasaki bougth the license to a race engine from them...then made it better (british engeneering is pure shit after 1880)
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 where did you find that information? I know they bought the engine rights from BSA but the bevel drive apparently came from Norton and I’ve not found any information claiming they purchased rights to it. It was apparently reverse engineered. (Stolen)
@@spydie at the time they were all part of the same company(*all the british brands)
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 That's interesting but I think a little bit off. BSA didn't acquire Norton until 1972 (or 1973 depending on where you get your information), so they couldn't have owned the rights to the bevel gear drive until long after the 1966 Kawasaki W1 bike. It's an interesting history, but the information I could find still leads one to believe Kawasaki had to "steal" the bevel gear drive from the Norton Manx long before BSA had anything to do with Norton. However, Airplane engines used this technology at the time and I think Ducati might have also, so it's only a guess where Kawasaki got their "idea" from. Do you concur?
Pure racing speed is one form of motorcycling but it's not really that safe on public roads. So a motorcycle that has a torquey motor with a warm low frequency rumble has the ability to make for a very enjoyable ride. And that's what it's all about ... enjoying the ride.
I very much enjoy the two lane hiway enjoyable rides to some 'sight seeing' - the W800 is a grand motorbike to do that (IMHO). Thank you for commenting!
Pure racing speed is one form of motorcycling but it's not really that safe on public roads. stay off the roads as you do not deserve to ride on them.. ffs jesus
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really love the W800 for the reasons you mentioned but would need to convince the wife to get another motorcycle. Maybe someday I'll find the courage. Maybe the only thing I would change with the W800 is a tubeless conversion kit. Subscribed, just in case you'll upload more W800 content.
Definitely will be featuring more W800 videos! You know what they say about the formula for the perfect amount of motorbikes (N+1 (N=current amount of motorbikes)). I'm super fortunate because my wife says things like "I think this motorbike would look great with our other motorbikes!."
@@bigbluemotorbikedog mine says: if I see one of our kids even just sitting and gazing at your bike, I am up for divorce...
@ Oh no! That's not good!
i ride a w800 everyday, have done since 2014. it's pretty good!
pros: easy to maintain, comfortable ergonomics, nice and quiet (the neighbours love this when i go to work at 5am), one key for everything (ignition, fuel, helmet lock) decent speed, reasonable handling (at legal speeds, it tends to get squirrelly above this), decent mileage: a 10 litre tank will take you 210km around town
cons: the clutch cable broke (and was replaced with upgraded version), the rear axel wanders (making you think the chain is stretching prematurely), the paint wears (wherever your feet touch the levers and crank case will be bare metal pretty quickly), the key wearing down will cause the rear brake light to fail intermitently (fuct if i know why, just change over to the spare when it happens lol!)
Thank you for commenting! Love the long term perspective! Had no idea about the key/brake light thing... now that's a puzzle!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog it drove me nuts for ages, at first it was a flickering tail light; so i checked the bulb... then i changed it... then i investigated every single wire, and connection all the way from the rear to the front of the bike where, lo-and-behold, i discovered the fault in the key barrel! the no-cost solution was to us the virgin spare key :D
@@mrman5517 That's some top notch troubleshooting and I love the no/low cost solution!
That bike is drop dead gorgeous !! 😍😍😍
I think the same thing!
Great bike, you won't be dissapointed. I did almost 28k miles on mine with zero issues. Lovely bike, best looking retro IMO, but hey, sure, some of the other bikes are defo more exciting. Cheers
Couldn't agree more! - Thank you for commenting!
Nice calm video. Good points were made. I am also a fan of the retro look like this although right now I am leaning more towards Indian Scout or Chief. I learned long ago on a 78? Honda CB750 which was way too big of a motorcycle for me. Having a 31 inch inseam on a bike that stood more like 34 at the seat was problematical, but it did teach me to balance at slow speed and even hold balance at a stop (for the most part). Enjoy your ride and stay safe. o/
Thank you for the comment! My first "big bike" was a 72' R75/5. The Indian is an iconic bike. I've always loved the big valanced fenders of the Indian.
A sensation machine, as well as my 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 and my 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. Having two bikes is not so reasonable, but at 70 years old, I will only swap tham for a Softail Harley. How do we know it is the last one?
Indeed sir! May we stay young enough to continue riding well in to old age :-)
I have the 2021 W800, 2018 Vespa Touring GTS300, 2021 Moto Guzzi V7 Centenario, a Chinese clone of the Honda CT70, I have a Honda Monkey on order and I've put my name on the first Honda 300 Scrambler that we see in the US (because my first bike was a 1968 Honda 160 scrambler). I'm also 71 years old and have been riding for 55 years. Oh, and I had a Harley Softail Classic. 62 bikes in all.
@@spydie Love it! I am subscribing to your channel.
Well i'm 73 and ride a ZX-14r.It's bike number 42 and will be my last bike.It warms the heart to see comments from senior's like us that still do this.Ride Safe.
@@Demonbfg nice!!!!!
I have owned many bikes over the years, if I had kept a few , I would be a wealthy man today . I now own/ride a W650. like yours, it's a beautiful machine to own and ride . 50 bikes later, it might well be my last , weight and balance are a big factor as we age and very few look this stunning as well . Dave NZ
I've had a few bikes over the years that I looked back more than once after parking them, the W800 is definitely a beautiful bike! Thank you for commenting!
I miss every bike I've ever sold and really wish I would have kept a couple of them at least. Missed but never forgotten, they were all a joy to ride! I've decided the W is a keeper no matter what comes along.
Love mine. Absolutely no regrets. It's a Japanese work of art 🥂
Hear hear! Thank you for commenting!
Wonder if you consider getting z900RS before you got this bike. Personally cannot decide yet which to buy.
The Z900RS is a BEAUTIFUL motorbike! A total rocketship too! The W800 is much more of a 'show bike' that is absolutely beautiful, and performance is aligned with a retro motorcycle. If you are a 'tourist' on your motorbike (enjoying the ride, following speed limits, and loving the experience) then the W is definitely the bike for you, if you love modern performance while having the look of a gorgeous retro, being able to rocket through the twisties, then the Z900RS is for you.
Wait a sec - the cylinder head fins are a copy of the Triumph twins. the BSA's were rounded. But unlike the Triumph, it has an overhead cam so it needs a tube to carry the drive to the cylinder head, so they made it look like the Ducati bevel drive - so its a hybrid Triumph Ducati - A Tricati maybe? Kawasaki made it slow so (a) it didn't damage their sporty sales and (b) it wouldn't scare the older rider market who bought it.
The original Maguro K3 was based upon licensing acquired from BSA for the A7 model. Kawasaki revamped it in the 60s as the W1. Personally I think this bike is absolutely gorgeous, and you've got the target audience right, although some younger people like it too. Tricati, clever, hadn't heard that one before... this one would be more A7catiguro tho (BSA - Ducati - Maguro) maybe? Sometimes different companies mushed together make a great bike! (thinking of the Triton)
Thank you for commenting!
Hey Nice Review, I'm a Royal Enfield 650 guy but I love the W650 and 800 and looking for a good deal on a used one, preferably the 650, In my opinion and its only my opinion the RE is the closest to all a 60's or 70s British bike but you are so right the fit and finish on the Kawi is amazing, I love Kawasaki's W Series, I loved your review, Thanks for the vid I really appreciate it and to you as well, Keep Rubber Side down. Cheers Karl Squire.
I super like the RE series - I thought the 500 was a great bike in all it's variations, and am glad to see the twin 650s also. One of my main parameters in narrowing down which bike I was going to buy was about the proximity of a dealership / shop, unfortunately RE doesn't have a shop/dealership'close' (within 90 minute ride) to where I live. Thank you so much for commenting!
Cheers!
Very nicely described and explained, thank you for sharing. I wish my wife would ride..
Thank you for the comment! I am very fortunate that my wife rides, she currently is riding a 2022 Can Am Ryker Rally edition and absolutely loves it. Her previous bikes were a 2016 Suzuki Boulevard S40 and a 1999 Honda Shadow VLX 600.
Bevel drive aside, I think this is the best looking of the retro bikes.
I absolutely agree! Thank you for commenting!
I came for a review on the W800, stayed for the Mel Gibson voice 😂 thanks for sharing your insight into the modern classics!
Mel Gibson voice? I'll take it, just not sure it's accurate! 🤪Thank you for commenting
Before I bought my 2022 W800 I watched all the videos I could find for the W and its competition. My decision came down to a few facts and personal preferences. 1. The W800 is drop dead gorgeous. Much better looking than any other retro bike on the market. 2. The W is built in Japan by a manufacturer famous for reliability and quality. 3. The W800 has bags of low end torque so you can ride it in a lazy or brisk manor without having to wind it out like a 15,000rpm sport bike. 4. I could not find one owners review where the reviewer did not love his W800 or W650. 4. The W800 is a rare bike and due to its air cooling may not be available much longer. 5. It is a simple bike by todays standards and is relatively easy to work on and maintain.
When I looked for a W800 in stock I only found one within reasonable driving distance. I went to look at it and the next day I pulled the trigger.
Although I don't get the seat time I would like the time I do spend on the W800 provides great and memorable experiences.
It is not a perfect motorcycle and no motorcycle is, but it is a bike that is almost perfect for my riding style and stage of life.
I agree 100% - Every W owner I have talked to absolutely loves theirs, I'm surprised to see them secondhand anywhere.
I have a W800 Black Edition from 2015. The W800 is a wonderfull Bike. Greetings from Germany.
Danke! Thank you for commenting!
Just bought a 2013 Honda cb 1100 in like new condition for 6 grand. chrome fenders, in line 4, air cooled, fuel injection fun and easy to ride. smooth and powerful. but I too love that W
The CB1100 is a great looking bike - and Honda has a fabulous reputation for reliability and performance as well!
i can sympathize with w800, but when it comes to 'old timey but good' bikes, bmw and mg have made bikes in the 600 to 800 range which are low maintenance, smooth and fast enough.
I had a 1972 BMW R75/5, was a terrific bike.
I like the full size chrome mudguards. You don't get them on most modern, supposedly retro bikes, even as an optional extras. The latest Triumph bonneville being the case in point.
I forgot to mention in the video that I also super appreciate the center stand as standard!
beautiful machine Mate
Thank you! I think the motor on the W series is gorgeous!
"This'll be the last bike you ever buy so get something you really like...." That's a nice sentiment from your wife, but I don't think she understands how this motorcycle addiction works. Did you nod your head and say, "exactly, honey, this'll be the last one." : ) I'll be curious to check out that new BSA single that's coming out. I'd like to add a modern retro to my garage. I currently have a 1975 Honda CB750 and a 1964 Triumph TR6. Both great bikes, but it's good to have one modern motorcycle in the mix. I had a 2017 Moto Guzzi V7iii but I didn't love it so I sold it.
So I did edit out the context there, I appreciate you reminding me! In our garage we have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC, a 2011 BMW G650GS, a 2016 Suzuki Boulevard S40, the 2020 Kawasaki W800 and a 2022 CanAm Ryker Rally Edition (and my daughter has a Chinese dirt bike too). "My" last bike purchase (that was solely for me) was the 2003 BMW R1200CLC, her comment around 'this will be the last bike you purchase" was around the two decade mark that tends to occur in between bike purchases. (I'll be in my 70s, in two decades and not sure I'll buy another bike then, I'm super duper hoping I will still be riding). We are firm believers in the N+1 formula for motorcycle ownership.
The Gold Star grabbed my attention too, I'd be curious if you get a chance to ride it what your thoughts are!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Twenty years ago when I was only 49, I met a retired Air Force guy in southern Spain on his Suzuki Bandit. He was 77 years old and riding solo around Europe. I was amazed and told him I wish I could do the same when I get older. He said *"Don;t stop riding."* I left CONUS in 2010 and now in the Philippines riding my W800. I'm thinking about downgrading to a lighter ride to make it easier boarding ferries for inter-island travel and to cut fuel expenses. Also my legs are less capable now and a 150cc scooter for my 70th birthday seems right. *Keep riding!*
@@cycoklr inspired comment! Great advice!
@@cycoklr Keep riding is good advice. Just did a 2300km ride round Spain and I,m 74. I did switch to a scooter though (Yamaha xmax300) a couple of years back.
This is one of the most beautiful bikes I ever seen. Just looked it up and here in the Netherlands does little over 10k new. An absolute bargain if you ask me. The only little thing I miss is a fuel guage, but that isn't lockpicking but nitpicking 😂
The W is a joy to ride as well
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Enjoy your bike 😀. In the market maybe for a Vespa, or at least a scooter sort of vehicle. Not for long distances (up to 20 or so miles). My father and an uncle drove Honda CB bikes. Got a weakspot for that retro stuff 🤠
@@Michel-r6m I really love my W!
Like you I’m now 73 and have ridden my Kawasaki Vulcan VN900 for the past 15 years but at nearly 700lbs find that when I’ve got to start having to maul it about it’s now getting a little too much although I can’t fault my old lady in any way and so like you I need to find something lighter , and like you I’ve narrowed it down to the Vulcan s , w800 and Royal Enfield
Thank you for commenting! I'm curious as to which one you choose! Please let me know when you decide.
Have a 6 year old W800, lovely machine. Only improvement would be for an engine sound more like the genuine (Meriden) Triumph. However, why is it @ 1/4 heavier than a Triumph when the only excuse for more weight is a starter motor & bigger battery? Huge difference between pushing the Daytona T100R out of the garage and the W800.
I believe a lot of the added weight is the use of steel instead of aluminium or plastic, part of the 'throwback' and 'retro' allure. If anyone knows more about it, I'm happy to learn!
Obviously a lot of weight isn't great for pushing around the garage, or performance on the road, in my experience it does recreate the nostalgia and memories of pushing my old 1972 BMW R75/5 around tho (which came in at 452 lbs prior to crash bars, faring, backrest etc), which is slightly less than the 496 lbs of the W800.
Beautiful bike. I want one!😍
You should test ride one, oh my gawsh are they great to ride! Thank you for commenting!
Nice bike but I decided on the 2022 Triumph T100 for its British mystique
and elegance. What did you not like about the Triumph?looks? Price? Etc
Thx
Greetings and Thank you for commenting!
There were five things really.
#1 I absolutely LOVE the bevel cam drive on the W800, it grabbed my attention years before I decided to by a bike. I already had two daily riders (both BMWs, a R1200CLC and a G650GS), opening myself up to our 5th (and 6th as my wife bought a new Can Am Ryker Rally Edition at the same go) bikes in our garage (counting our kiddos dirt bike) it had to have something that you don't see often, and that bevel drive ticks the box. So many times people guess Norton or AJS as the manufacturer. The only place Kawasaki printed their name was on the back of the seat...
#2 I wanted a motorbike that was under 500 lbs ready to ride. The T100 is close (503 wet).
#3 I wanted a bike that was less than 10k out the door. (Triumph T100 is 10+k MSRP).
#4 the closest Triumph dealer is 121 miles away. At least while under warranty I want to make sure the company does the service on the bike to make sure everything is 100% correct. Rural back roads for 120 miles (4 hours one way) to get an oil change and x mile service didn't occur to me as a day well spent (especially if something went wrong and suddenly I needed to leave the bike). My Kawasaki dealer is 70 miles. (I live very rural/remote)
#5 I like that Kawasaki has been in business producing motorcycles including the original W1 without interruption. The manufacturing is top notch, and the W800 is still made in Japan.
That all being said, there are some things I've added/modified/changed on my W - it's a fantastic platform, but you know us riders - have to do things to make them our own and customize them to better fit us.
The Kawasaki W800 is a very good motorbike. Mine is over 11 and a half year old with nearly self ridden 80.000km on its speedometer.
When the W800 came out on the market, I traded a W650 in for it because I like the bigger engine more. And the looks plus this and that.
The W never left me stranded wether on longer touring trips in Europe or cruising around in my home town. It's a very reliable motorbike that always starts and will run with low fuel consumption not being pushed hard, averagely 4,2l/100km. The engine is strong enough for all situations in my eyes. By no means weak with nearly 800ccm, over 60Nm and round about 50HP. It has typical parallel twin vibrations in the range between 3.000 and 4.000U/min. They don't bother me. Kawa tried to damp them a bit. Outside this range the W is a very smooth running bike.
I would always choose my W over other pseudo retro parallel twins like the ones from RE and Triumph. Why? I think the Kawa is better with a better build engine and a speciality, in German "Königswelle", which will set it apart from all other motorbikes today.
Thank you for commenting! I love that you quoted a German word, and gave the kilometers you put down. I appreciate hearing about the reliability of the W, thank you!
2:18 really nice shot. Enjoy your beautiful bike. The Royal Enfield Himalayan is the bike that got me back on a motorcycle after 30 years. At first, I thought the 21" front wheel was huge, but after doing a bit a dirt riding, I realized it's benefits. I think most roads here in the US have turned to crap and now think 17" front wheels are dinky. "Retro", Cruisers, and ADV bikes are the only segments that specs 18"+ front wheels, and ADV bikes are too tall for many, and Cruisers too cruisery. I think it's great that the W800 has a 19". If "Naked" modern bikes would start offering 18"+ front wheels I'd give them much more consideration. Taller front wheels just give me more confidence on our deteriorating road surfaces.
In New England many of our roads are 'aged' and in need of repaving, although there is a lot being done, many still suffer from broken asphalt, deep cracks, hastily filled potholes and the like, I concur with your assessment! The photo at 2:18 was taken on the shores of Lake Memphremagog ( www.google.com/maps/@44.9341643,-72.2071056,409m/data=!3m1!1e3 ) in Newport, VT. You are correct that the W800 standard has a 19" front wheel, and definitely helps with the lower quality roads. She's a great 2 lane hiway motorbike! Thank you for commenting!
What is all the whining? The bevel gears? The Kawasaki isn’t for me but love the colour scheme on your bike looks great 👍🏼
I'm a big fan of the W800 aesthetics myself! I'm not sure what you're referring to with the whining....
I rode Triumph's and a BSA throughout the 70's & 80's and have to say the W800 nailed the classic styling. A bit pricey but a beauty just the same.
I understand the MSRP on the Kawasaki W800 is around $9200.00 US (last I checked) and that can be a bit pricey, what I did is found a new old stock 2020 in 2022, got a deal on it, and was able to hit a really good price point on a geat looking, fun to ride nostalgic bike. I'm not sure why it didn't sell well state side, but there are deals to be had if you don't mind a new bike from yesteryear.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thanks for the great review. I suspect that the main reason the W has not sold well in the US is the relatively low horsepower. For the same price as a W800 you can get a Z900 that makes more than twice as much power, but 51 HP would be fine with me. I currently ride a 9 HP Honda C125 Super Cub which will eventually go almost 60 mph if you hold the throttle wide open long enough. Unless there's a hill.
@@kirby0101 True - the Z900RS is a sportier bike, I think it lacks the character and 'soul' of the W800 tho. The Parallel twin just has a sound and feel to it that is almost like a time machine transporting back...
My first two wheeled motorized vehicle was a Vespa P200E, I went everywhere and in all weather (even snow) - I do enjoy riding a slow bike fast more than a fast bike slow (same speed, i.e. 46mph/75kph)
Your comparison with insects motorcycles is perfect I feel the same way !
I'm surprised that there isn't a transformers movie with them in it!
Very cool story...thx for posting,
Thank you for watching and commenting! There's a lot of videos on the W800 in their own playlist in case you're interested! Cheers!
Hi. This is my first watch of your channel. You may have covered this in other videos, what kind of mpg are you getting? Thanks.
Regularly around 50-60 depending on what RPMs I run
@@bigbluemotorbikedogthank you.
The W series from Kawasaki are great reliable bikes. Have a W650 in the garage though ageing legs dictates I ride my scooter more.
Thank you for commenting, I appreciate your insight!
keep it ...they are rocketing in value all around the world, I have one too
Hi, very good looking bike! Do you think it would be good for a beginner? I’m 52 and just learning how to ride. I plan on just riding around my neighborhood first but would like something I could (eventually) take on the highway also.
Greetings! I love the W800 and it is what I'd call a "tame" 800cc motorbike, it *is* kind of tall tho, I have a 30" insteam, am 5'8" (and 1/2) and am kind of a 'bigger bloke' at 220lbs. I can comfortably put both feet down, someone shorter and less heavy may not be able to. My honest, sincere recommendation is to go take the beginner class, get your license and start riding a bunch of different bikes. Start with the ones that you like how they look, and then move on from there. You may find you love the one you like the looks of the best, or that you found a bike that rides like a dream for a beginner, but you'll definitely trade out for the dream bike later. I love it that you are starting your 2 wheeled adventure and best wishes for many safe and happy miles ahead!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thanks for the advice! I’m riding around the neighborhood on a Honda Monkey but would like to graduate to one I can take on the highway eventually. Having fun so far. 😆🐵
it depends on your height, weight and confidence. The w800 is not a light bike, its 220 klios with fuel in the tank. Some beginners might be ok with it, others might drop it in the parking lot and damage the tank/side covers quickly. But its power is nothing to worry about, its moderate to compotent on the highway, but doing 2up going above 100km/hour will tire you quickly.
I would have liked to hear your reasoning for going with the Kawa vs. the Triumph.
Thank you for the comment Chuck! It's a two part, with the first part being that my closest Triumph dealer is over 100 miles away. I like the Bonnie's and the speed twins a lot, not a fan of the bench seat on T100 (I have an old tailbone injury from a wreck in my youth). The bevel cam drvie on the W800 is just gorgeous to me, and the last bit of the second part was cost. Picking up a 2020 new old stock provided savings above the beyond the 1k MSRP delta between the W800 and the T100.
Hope that helps!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog excellent thank you it is a beautiful machine from all angles,
I like the W800, but I thinkI would go for the Moto Guzzi V7 850 Special. The V7 came out in 1967 and still looks a lot like that. It has heritage since Moto Guzzi been made since 1921 and it has driving modes, EFI, ABS and Traction control, and shaft drive. The 850 produces 65 HP.
Moto Guzzi is definitely a cool brand. When selecting the W800 one of my considerations was how far I would have to go to get it worked on (I live very rural). My closest Guzzi shop is nearly 200 miles away. I love a shaft drive (so little maint). The after market also meant a lot to me, the W800 has been out for a while world wide, so crazy we just started getting them Stateside (I'm older so 5 years is "just") hahaha. Thanks for the comment!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog We started getting them stateside in 2000 and 2001 and they were the 650cc (I had one, now I have the 800) but they didn't sell well so we haven't seen them here for 20 years. Now they are back for at least a 3 year run, but we'll see how long Kawasaki keeps importing them. I think they sold better this time, but like you said, they are aimed at the aging rider so their fan base is going away quickly.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog200 miles is too far to have any bike seviced. THe W800 is rodk solid Kawasaki and will be trouble free for many years. I also live in a rural setting and until recently the nearsest Guzzi dealer was in Cincinnati, about 200 miles away. But now there is the Throttle Company in Columbus, Ohio which is only 100 miles. That could make a difference for me.
ive had a w800, and now i have a guzzi big block 1100, which is a way more real guzzi than the v7 850s, but I would say they could not be more different. The W800 is a relaxing gentlemens cruiser, you travel on it, both to sight see and to rest your soul. The Guzzi is your stallion, red hot blooded, makes you feel wild and passionate. I am shopping for a w650 now, to have both bikes side by side, for two different mood and occasion of riding, the guzzi and the w.
@@slash502 Thank you for your reply. It's nice to hear from someone who owns both a W800 and a Guzzi and to hear your opinion of both.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
B.C. is beautiful!
Cheers!
That thing is so beautiful. I'm trying to find reasons I need this bike
1) It's beautiful
2) It's a joy to ride
3) It's a nostalgia time machine
4) I never walk away from the bike without turning around and looking at it
5) it's a wonderful commuter / 2 lane highway bike
6) easy to maintain with excellent build quality, precision engineering, and a lot more use of metal than many other bikes, even 'retro' ones.
7) It's rare to see another one on the road.
Do one of those help?
Thank you for commenting!
Pretty much exactly why I'm picking mine up in a couple hours.
Congratulations! I think you'll love it! What model year are you getting?
@@bigbluemotorbikedog 2022
@@DavidZ81T3 Awesome! Thank you for commenting! I'm confident you will enjoy your W800!
Kawasaki makes excellent motorcycles. I have 2005 800 Vulcan classic I turned into a very nice bobber using a kit from Blue Collar Bobber. Added whitewall tires, drag pipes and floorboards, and other goodies. I get thumbs up every time I ride it. I also have a 2020 Triumph Rocket 3R. I get more thumbs up for my Kawasaki.
The Rocket3 is a BIG bike! I've just started modifying the W800 (risers and a fly screen) but I already enjoy it very much. Thank you for commenting and watching the video!
I bought a 2019 W800, Knowing today what i now know about the bike i would not buy another. First is the total lack of accessories available such as a fork stabilizer and appropriate luggage racks. The next problem is changing spark plugs is an incredible nightmare as is any maintenance. I've owned over thirty bikes in my 70 years and none have cost me as much as this one did and is so dissapointing
Wow, I'm really surprised! Sounds like you had a really rough experience with you 2019. I have found a lot of accessories Internationally, but I haven't really thought about using the W800 as a touring machine, I have a 2003 BMW R1200CLC for that purpose. I have seen a few bits about replacing the fork springs and rear suspension, and did find this video for a W650/800 fork brace as well. ( ua-cam.com/video/SQHy9qx2XiE/v-deo.html ) Obviously I haven't tried to change the spark plugs yet, so I'll have to investigate that. Thank you for commenting!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog unfortunately your link is no longer valid as Superbrace informed me they no longer are making a Superbrace for theW800
I am an English guy in my 60's but I would buy this over a Triumph any day......and I have a Sprint 1050.
However I do have a'97 'blade and a '98 Bandit 12 too.
I'm a big believer in having multiple bikes for multiple purposes. You may enjoy my follow up video where i introduce our other motorbikes too.
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Out of the bikes you own, which do you ride the most?
Great vintage looks, I still like the Guzzi v7 850 better, shaft drive, only problem with both of them is after 30 mph the wind and elements kick in. Naked upright bikes are a blast to ride on backroads , light and nimble, easy to get out of garage lol! Keep u out of trouble with less power and handling as opposed to a sport bike, not much storage for a jacket, thermos, or a water, nice secondary bike for a gold wing or ultra, chief, voyager ect
I do a follow up video on the W800 you may like...
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Also, having ridden both, the Kawi is more comfortable than the Guzzi, more relaxed than the guzzi, i have a vaquero for touring that I absolutely love but the w 800 would be a nice secondary bike, were such victims for motorcycles lol!!!!
I truly wish they had left the kickstarter on the bike there was no reason except for cost cutting on the part of the company to have it deleted sure you can't start it with a dead battery by kicking it but you can kick it any other time. With the bevel Drive instead of a cam chain driving the top end it will be supremely reliable and you will never have the fear of the cam chain breaking and destroying your engine as you silently right to the side of the road. It should have a belt drive instead of chain and it should have hydraulic valve adjustments to do away with periodic valve adjustments. Those are two elements of my Sportster that I love because I put so many miles on my bikes.
I agree a chain has the least longevity of a drive element. I used to only purchase bikes with shaft drive because they are the longest lasting and lowest maintenance of all drive trains. (of course they do rob horsepower to the wheel, so there's that). I had a 72 with a kickstarter that you COULD kick without a battery, but it had a magneto instead of an alternator, different times back then. (was in the 80s when I had the 72). I think the valve adjustment (it's super easy) was on purpose as was the chain to capture some maintenance nostalgia as well as performance. Thanks for commenting.
@@bigbluemotorbikedog I got around a hundred thousand miles out of the Bell Drive on my Forester before it snaps or needs replacement. I like to shaft drive on my CX500 Honda and all of my BMWs because when you put a lot of miles on a bike when you add up all the amounts for Change and sprockets and chain room never mind the labor to change them and cleaning the wheel all the time it's a win-win situation when you snap Drive never mind if you're worried about 2% power loss then go on a race track where they rebuild the bike every year from step to start. Keeping the kickstarter would have kept in with the Nostalgia theme and it would be a positive selling feature especially since the Millennials considered kick starting to be a masculine saying that is very rare nowadays even though I know lots of girls who can Kickstart a Triumph that I taught them how to ride a motorcycle on.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459 100k miles is bonkers good for a belt drive. Our Suzuki S40 has a belt drive and never gave us any issues, I've been a hardcore BMW rider for most of my riding career (Since the mid-eighties). There were a few decades where I would put 20k miles or more on a bike, truth be told I haven't gotten any wear near that since I've been in New England Much shorter riding season than say the west where we moved from. Hopefully Kawi is listening to feedback, rumor has it that 2022 is the last year of the W800 in the USA, I hope that's not the case, super great looking bike IMHO.
Good looking bike, not sure about the 'W' on the tank though? Wouldn't it be great if it had the early Kawasaki flag logo on it instead?
Definitely would be cool! I like the W myself, but an early Kawasaki flag would really be something, make the bike more mysterious too! (unless someone was really versed with Kawasaki history)
In Japan, this bike is now sold as Meguro K3, exactly with that old meguro flag. They revised the marketing aspect and Meguro is a brand that the ageing Japanese respect even more than Kawasaki... As the meguro (river) logo is also now visible in Kawasaki website and many of the bikes... Maybe a spin off for classic bikes is being planned.
I love these bikes 🏍 😍
I also! Thank you for commenting!
Am 48, never owned a bike, and if ever I buy one, it will be a vintage one.
Looking at modern bikes with their pseudo futuristic styling makes me sick to the stomach and pushes me away from bikes.
But then looking at beauties like this is what draws me in.
There are lots of beautiful modern retro bikes. I'd recommend taking a beginner rider course if you're interested... you may find it lights a fire in your soul.
Just for comparison, could l ask how much you weigh please.
I'm right in the same range as you at 95kg, however I'm at 5'9 or 175cm -
The looks are brilliant but going by the power to weight ... it go like a snail?
If you are used to a sport bike it would seem like that.... and I believe that it was engineered to replicate the power and performance of the bikes of yesteryear. The Z900RS would definitely have more performance with a retro inspired look. Others too... for me the W800 goes exactly like I want it to... I am the type who would rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. (The actual speed would be the same).
@@bigbluemotorbikedog , good point, it certainly does the speed limit. I actually own a z900rs. I love these retro-looking bikes. The new shapes don't do it for me
That's pretty much why I want one... I want an old school analog style bike , I don't like any other tech than fuel injection and ABS.. I don't need a huge fast, loud bike ... This is just smooth
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I completely agree! I'm very happy with the W800.
I had a W650 a few bikes ago, now have a Triumph. In many ways the W more fun and true to the spirit of Brit bikes ( I have had a few) I have had many positive experiences of made in Japan bikes, not convinced Thailand built bikes any better despite what (plastic) badges they badly glue on them.
Thank you for commenting! I appreciate your insight!
I don’t think I’ve seen one in the U.K. so not sure if they’re sold over here…🤔
I'm fairly certain that W650 and W800 are both available in the UK, in the states they just weren't very popular, which confuses me a bit as I think they are beautiful motorbikes.
Lovely bikes...and for sure they will last more than us, even if we last another 50 years. By the way... The clip with sound was just as you woke her up, right?!?! It sounded too revvy when compared to mine, for althe usual idle...
Yes on wake up! High rev just to 'warm up.
There are plenty of young ppl vibing with old bikes, me included (27). They look way nicer than the modern ones.
I so appreciate that! Thank you for commenting!
I bought a W800. No regrets after 1 year. The recalls were nothing of significance
: horn mount and exhaust bolts not tight enough.
Love my W800 as well, same recalls, had them both done prior to delivery. One of the best in town/city and 2 lane highway (up to 55mph) motorbikes I've owned!
Nice choice. I have a 2004 W650.
Outstanding! How many miles / kilometers have you covered on your W650? Which modifications have you made to your W650? Have you run in to any issues?
@@bigbluemotorbikedog About 60K..never an issue except, when I didn't store it properly and didn't ride it for six months. Carb needles floats stuck.. a Very reliable bike..Didn't like my custom-designed titanium 2-1 exhaust I made for it (at great cost)..just couldn't get the jetting right to match the increased flow for all speed ranges. Changed tank, seat, rear frame, guards, lights, indicators handle bars..it's a mess, but its still cool and almost right.
I really like everything except the high idle
@@stevemiller1203 it calms down once it's warmed up. Thank you for commenting!
Triumphs are built in Thailand (I believe) and it’s only marketing that pushes the myth of ‘Made in England’. At least RE are honest and proud of their Indian origins. That W is a cracker, very nice bike.
Thank you! And... thanks for commenting!
Not all Triumphs are built in Thailand. And most of their engines are built in England.
The zephyr was the bike I wanted so bad when I was a teenager 😭
You can always pick up a used Zephyr now......
A beautiful "throw-back" to the early '70's with the W800! To all you whiners about the whimpy 50hp output, stow it, that was the level of technology back then! 🏍️👍❤️Doug
I think it's a gorgeous bike, absolutely beautiful, and 50hp was a LOT back then, the W series in the sixties and early seventies was definitely a performer. Thank you for commenting!
I agree. Hands down, the most handsome of the "retros". I do not care for the cafe racer fairing version, in the ugly color combo.
Enjoy your bike, it's a beauty. I am a little biased. My first Kawasaki was a KV75 in the early 70's. I've own dozens of their street bikes, and always return to Kawasaki, after "cheating", with another brand.
Thank for the comment! I dig the term "cheating" with another brand!
If just they would make a 1000 or 1200 cc version and a closed chaincase .. and a flyscreen ..
I would love a close chaincase on this bike! A larger displacement version that pumps out some more torque and horsepower would definitely be a welcome addition ( i suspect it would at least )!
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Who knows, they might listen if we write them .. at least they should be able to afford a chaincase ..
Do you mind me asking what price you were able to get on that 2020? I found a leftover 2020 w800 at a dealership a few hours away from me. I actually own a 2019 Cafe but regret not getting the standard. I’m considering selling my Cafe and buying the standard if I can get the right price
I got mine for right around 9 "out the door", not a super bargain but enough to help me decide to buy it.
Nice photos
Thank you! Cheers!
It was a smart decision not to buy the RE Int 650. POS. Mine broke down three times in just 2 months after purchasing it. I dumped onto to someone else.
Wowza! That's not good! I have had zero issues with my W.
Nice video enjoyed it
Thank you for commenting!
Two of the bests retro bikes in the world: Kawasaki W800 and Kawasaki W650.
I agree completely! Thank you for commenting!
Ah, you missed another plus point- the W800 has the easiest shim adjusters in the word.
You are 100% correct, I did miss that plus point! Thank you for commenting!
What a great video. Performance isn't everything.
@@joedudz I agree completely!
The Kawasaki is a nice bike. The T100 is the one for me.
Nice! I do like Triumph, I was looking at a Scrambler. My closest Triumph dealer is about 3 hrs away... so that didn't work. One of my favorite riding buddies had the Bobber.
The plus is really, you can find Kawi dealers everywhere.
Hear hear!
Man, I would kill to have a radio-key for my bike. I am forever getting on the bike, wearing my helmet and gloves and all zipped up, only to realize that my key is in my pocket somewhere.
On a side note, you're in your 50's, and your wife is telling you this in the last bike you'll ever buy? That's depressing! I'm in my 50's, and I have a long list of bikes I hope to get yet.
I explain her comment in the follow up video. My wife is definitely not limiting buying more bikes. There are some information security videos on radio keys ... I feel your frustration tho with keys in pocket.
A high quality bike that gets almost no attention.
I agree completely! Thank you for commenting!
It's the only parallel twin that has actual heritage, the "Triumph" models have zero to do with the original Meridian company, ditto the Enfield, or even the new BSA single, they are all bought name pastiches (though excellently executed).....the bike this Kawasaki is based on was made by the exact same company in the late 60's.....in itself based off BSA twins, though quite different.
It's an important distinction shared by perhaps Guzzi and Harley but few others.
This bike's heritage isn't cynically manufactured.
Thank you for commenting! I do enjoy the history of motorbikes!
Why does this engine only make about 50 hp?
Two primary reasons, detuned for lower end torque, and air cooling are the first contributor, the second is to re-create the nostalgia of the original W1.
Benefit here is you have a near bullet proof (not literally) engine that's under stressed and can keep going and going and going...
@@bigbluemotorbikedog Thank you for the answer.
I consider the W800, the Royal Enfield 650 twins and Classic 350, and a couple of models from Triumph, to be representative of classic BRITISH motorcycles. They don't look like 1960s Harleys or Hondas. The mid 60s British bikes are my favorite design for motorcycles. I currently own 6 bikes. Only one of them is a real classic bike, my 1966 Triumph Bonneville. I don't consider it "retro", it's the real thing. All my other bikes are old enough to be carbureted with no ABS. My bought new 1997 Kawasaki Vulcan 750, which currently has 119K miles on it, all mine, is EXACTLY the same as the 1985 model, which makes it a 37 year old design today. My bought new 2016 Honda Rebel 250 goes back to 1985 as well, but even back then it used 1970s technology. I bought it mostly as a collectors item. 2016 was the last year of the Rebel. Since 1985, I have owned 4 Honda Rebel 250s. My bought used 2002 Harley Sportster 1200 EVO also dates back to 1985, and the Sportster itself goes all the way back to 1957 with very few changes. I also have a bought new 2013 Royal Enfield B5 Bullet. It got a redesigned unit construction engine in 2011, but still used 1950s technology, with one exception. It came with EFI and a catcon exhaust. I replaced the EFI with an Amal Concentric MK1 carburetor, and put an aftermarket non catcon exhaust on it. The last one is a bought used 1979 Vespa P200E scooter. Two stroke engine, manual shift and clutch, front drum brake, kick start only, premix only, sealed beam headlight. While the styling had changed somewhat from the original 1940s Vespas, it is still totally recognizable as a vintage Vespa, and is an absolute blast to ride.
However, as much as I love all these bikes, four of them have a major problem. The Triumph, Rebel, Royal Enfield, and Vespa all have TUBE TYPE TIRES. And while I realize that is something that goes with really old bikes, it makes them unusable for anything but very local riding. The Vespa at least has a spare tire/wheel. For me that limits them to being ridden very close to home. On a bike with tube type tires, a flat tire means a tow truck. Which means I have to stay within the towing range of my road service plan, and also within range of cell phone service. During my 45 years of riding I have been stranded dozens of times by tube type tires, and almost killed a couple of times. Tubeless tires can almost always just be plugged and reinflated when they are punctured. Not so with tube type tires. I've also noticed that tube type tires have a lot more flats than tubeless tires. At least that has been my experience. I saw a video where a guy literally punctured a tube type tire with a wooden toothpick, but could not do it with a tubeless tire. So I only have 2 bikes I can actually go somewhere on. I have ridden the Vulcan 750 all over the U.S. and parts of Canada and Mexico. I have never had a flat out on the road on it. I have found objects that punctured the tire a couple of times while inspecting them at home, but the tire did not lose air. The object that punctured the tire sealed the puncture. Not going to happen with tube type tires.
I would seriously consider buying a bike like the W800, even though I am NOT a fan of EFI, and absolutely would not accept ABS. Fortunately ABS can be disabled. There is no way I would allow a computer to take over control of my bike. To me, controlling the bike, and knowing that bad things can happen if you mess up, is a huge part of the fun of riding. Something like the W800, with the ABS disabled, would make a great replacement for my well worn Vulcan 750. Except for one thing. It has tube type tires. All of the retro bikes do. And I have to wonder why. EFI and ABS, and 1940s tire technology. There is no reason whatsoever that a new bike needs tube type tires. Cast wheels (and Honda's ComStar wheels) have been around a long time. Yes I realize those wouldn't look right on a retro bike. But Honda solved that problem back in 1986. Just Google a picture of a 1986/1987 Honda Rebel 450 wheel. That bike, which was only made for 2 years, had tubeless tires on wire spoke wheels. But they didn't do it the ugly BMW way by attaching the spokes to the very edge of the rim. Honda came up with an ingenious way of doing it. You have to really look hard to see what they did. Sadly, Honda never used those wheels on any other bike. Neither did anyone else. They would be perfect for all these retro bikes. And they would not be expensive to make. But the manufacturers of these bikes just don't care.
So why did I almost write a book about the evils of tube type tires? Because the difference between tube type tires and tubeless tires are literally the difference between whether a bike can only be ridden close to home (assuming you have a cell phone and a road service plan) or ridden anywhere. My favorite type of riding is long distance touring. And when you have a flat on a bike with tube type tires far from home, assuming you have a cell phone and service, it could cost you hundreds or even thousands of $$$ in towing charges to get it towed to a place that fix it. And you have better hope that it is not on a Sunday or Monday, when all the shops are closed. Yes, that happened to me, even with a road service plan. I had to spend 2 days in a motel, eat at fast food places, missed 2 days of work, and pay a dealer over $200 to fix a flat tube type tire. Over $700 and a pissed off boss total. Had it been a tubeless tire, I could have plugged it, reinflated it, and been on my way. Think long and hard before buying any bike with tube type tires. I don't even know why DOT allows street legal bikes to be sold in the U.S. with tube type tires anymore.
That's quite a bit of information! I agree that tubeless tires can be accomplished while preserving the spoked rim (has to be solid on the interior), I haven't had the issues you've had with tubed tires, but I get how that would be a major concern, especially in remote areas! Thank you for the comment and the information!
A Kawasaki bem podia disponibilizar essa moto aqui no Brasil.
Eu me pergunto por que eles não têm a bicicleta à venda no Brasil?
(google translate, apologies for bad translation)