My dad may he rest in peace taught me the trolling style of fishing, we used to do long drifts up the middle of Grafham water on lead-core lines. Can be very effective but nothing beats fishing Nymphs and Buzzers out the front of the boat, when you find the fish. Great video bought back some good memories thanks guys.
I can't believe this...i actually was on that day on the lake with you guys...just starting fly fishing...and i had a chat with you at the end when we where docking the boats regarding the session as my one was not that good(as imagine) because i was using a intermediate line and not sinking one. Really a genuine guy and friendly, straight away told me what i have to do to catch more fish in this weather. I followed his tips and i am back there this weekend so fingers cross i get more fish...😅. Really loved the video also 👍👍
I guess a purist who can afford an expensive beat on a prime wild trout chalk stream would say it’s not fly fishing. But for the rest of us, we’d be more than happy to call it that for the day that you two have just enjoyed.
Great stuff Lindsay, I'm a regular bank angler to Farmoor in the Spring and Summer months and the sport can be superb when you get it right. I'd have to disagree with you on the 'is it fly fishing' debate though. Sure, it's not as rewarding as matching the hatch and drifting a nymph with the current, but there is still some skill involved and your fly is still imitating some form of food source for the fish to feed on, regardless of which way you cast on the drift. I think it's a similar debate to the bung tbh; both methods are deadly and less traditional, but both are still fly fishing (in my humble opinion!).
Hi Ben, yes Farmoor can produce amazing sport from the bank and when it warms up I will be up to do a video on the buzzer fishing. That's the thing about fly fishers there is always a good debate to be had!.....lol.
Can't be any worse than carp fishing on an overstocked commercial catching 400lb plus in 5hrs. I like the Avon and the Dorset Stour. Some nice Grayling and Small Browies. Next time you go to Manningford for the Grayling can you let me know and I shall stay at ho.e. Don't like the rain lol
I prefer the traditional style of fly fishing. Really love fly fishing on rivers but don't have any around my way. So it's always lakes. I try useing small flies even on the bigger waters, but often revert to lures if I don't catch. Great video.
I'm really found this channel! Being of Scottish ancestry myself, I'll subscribe just to hear the brogue! Even thoo I cannae ken a thin you'rre seeyin'!
Lindsay at the end of the day you were out fly fishing in some trying conditions and you caught some great fish remember the days you blanked and always remember not all of us can fish chalk streams and good Prized trout streams 👍
Thanks Lindsay, for your informative and enthusiastic videos. I only fish floating lines, very occasionally with an intermediate tip and on the river I'm not into Euro nymphing or French leader. I'll be out in a boat a bit later in the year, when there is hopefully some action higher in the water. I just enjoy going through the motions of casting a line. I accept that I'm not a serious angler but also that if you have been in the cold all day, it's nice to have some success. I suppose it's fly fishing if the person who does it believes that it is and is not breaking any rules. Thanks again to yourself and your long suffering boat partner.
@@lindsayiflyfish No mate ... Sod that ! Way to cold ! lol.. Let the keener guys enjoy the stocky smash , I will wait till the buzzers get going mid April and the big girls come out to play before my first ressie trip .
Maybe you could have tried Northampton style far more interesting or maybe quarter drifting across the wind boat skills I don’t see on Farmoor often but definitely fly fishing ask the late Steve Parton
Very enjoyable video and clearly a great method of catching `lake` trout. Just a word of caution however as some waters do not allow what they describe as trailing the fly behind a moving boat.
I’m trying to learn the art of dry fly fishing but choosing the right fly isn’t easy and the temptation to tie on a damsel or red apps is always there. Fished last night and was covered in caenis flies in flat calm conditions. Fish wouldn’t touch anything I had in my box and I was left scratching my head. It’s often baffling but always enjoyable. Mostly.
Great to see you back on the water in a boat pal first of many trips for the season. Earlier today a certain Welshman posted about his first trip to Rutland. When he mentioned about returning again. I mentioned your trip to his local favourite water. And that a vlog of return team up with you on your favourite water Rutland could be a consideration? So a possible addition to the KitKat cup. A Rarebit cup??? With Rhys Fishing
@@lindsayiflyfish your outlook and fishing styles compliment each other combined with your camera/drone/editing abilities, both channels with benefit on a collaborative effort imho.
I think that what is fly fishing has been forgotten or for some anglers never been known , it seems to me that how many fish caught or size is the motive now and any method will do I. Whont say I haven’t tried some of the methods but they never sat right with me, I love to fish small and have done well, but I won’t call people who fish these methods if they enjoy that good luck to them and I hope they have good days. Regards Ian
Agree with your first point. We have had a culture creeping in that you must catch as many fish as possible whatever. This has emerged in part from competition fishing and the whole paid put and take stockie scene. I don't subscribe to the rationalisation that came from this, that somehow anything goes. Attitudes plainly do matter, in life and in fly fishing. It would be really healthy if people accepted blank days, there is nothing wrong in that at all but I know we now have a world that is somehow frenetic and entitled (you must have everything you want all the time). For me fly fishing is an aesthetic pursuit, it's self evident we set self limiting rules about it, that's the whole point. Part of being a fly fisherman is showing respect for the traditions, nature and the quarry. This doesn't have to be mean snobbishness and entail expensive access to chalk streams. I fish for wild fish for next to hothing in cost. Being 'purist' is sometimes made out to be wrong though it's not a bad thing, rather it can be a good thing. I'm proud to want a pure approach - pure waters, pure nature, pure attitudes - respecting what and how we do things.
nice video but at 3:27 min mark your friend really needs to put his lifejacket on correctly. The crutch strap is no good if you do not wear it, if he fell in the lifejacket would go above his head and not help it at all.
Thanks for the video Lindsay, like yourself I’m not a big fan of this method but it’s nice to have a blank breaker in reserve if you really need it. Not every day is suitable for flicking out a size 20 gnat on a floating line over the front is it? Cheers
Can’t see a problem if you’re fishing deep, want to avoid a blank, and can’t get your flies down in the conventional way because you’re drifting too fast and can’t or don’t want to anchor, but wouldn’t want to do it for long
Never fished out the back of the boat into the wind have hooked fish like yourself maybe having looking for a fly and line in the water and afish takes when your not really in control
Were you anchored or drifting.You said you should cast into the wind but for a beginner that's not so easy with a DI 7. I still enjoyed the video and thanks for braving the winter chill. How are the eyes now?
Hi Mike, I was drifting and yes you are correct it's not so easy to cast into the wind. I suppose a beginner could just pay line out without the effort of casting. They would achieve the same result just a little slower.
Horses for courses and the tug is the drug.It is a form of harling as practiced in New Zealand.Fly fishing has evolved over the years to embrace various questionable methods which go outside the traditionalist box.Fly rod,fly line,fly on the end I just don't see anything wrong in it.The alternatives would yield little or no action as your leader difference showed.You will not find many using this method when the buzzers are up.How in this day and age do you categorise ''fly fishing'' is what is questionable.Conditions and venue dictate the approach which in these baltic conditions proved to be the best one.👍😈
Lindsay when did you start fly fishing - you must have seen some changes over the years. I feel fly fishing is loosing it elite title with the popularity of saltwater pike and coarse fishing onthe fly
Hi Coach, I have been fly fishing around 35 years and the changes have been massive. The term elite never sits well with me and with (let's be honest here) fly fishing on the decline in the UK. Not all change is good but it is inevitable, If we don't evolve from the tweed and upstream dry fly attitude I doubt many youngsters will be beating a path to the tackle shop to buy fly fishing gear. Its incumbent on us all to encourage inclusion in our sport whether fishing for Pike, Perch, Chub and all the other species that can be targeted on the fly.
@@lindsayiflyfish amdbit looks terrible too, as it does on the orvis sticks. Bad marketing move to put that sticker on there. Hope it redeems itself by fishing good.🤓
It is enjoyable but that doesn't make it fly fishing, be honest it's lure fishing, you don't need to have exclusive access to chalk streams to fly fish properly there's streams and rivers everywhere only need a club licence, and they have proper wild trout not obese fin damaged obscenities.
I hear you but not everyone has access to streams and rivers that you can just join a club. I had to recently give up my S&D club membership as it was becoming too expensive. I guess the point iI am making is you have to take your fishing where you can. Thanks for the comment.
Dead right Lindsay a method that has saved many a day . how do you like the boat seat had my eye on one for a while.keep up the good work keeps me entertained till its warm enough for me to get out.@@lindsayiflyfish
Any method that is permitted at that time in that water. It works. Most importantly it causes minimal distress and no harm to the fish. Trolling can be a safe method when done correctly. I think that the chuck n leave it boobie say from a dam wall while they carry on fishing a separate rod. Resulting in a deep hooked fish with zero chance of survival. Are no better than poachers with gill nets. Cruel and never a justified practice.
Well call me an old fart but I don't like it, but then I am an imatitive guy who doesn't fish boobies blobs et al and no I don't mind if others want to fish that way. Presumably, if the fishery rules permit it, you could fish that way in a competition? As for being a good way to introduce a beginner, I think not. It's called fishing, not catching and part of the deal in fly fishing is to be able to cast a line???
My dad may he rest in peace taught me the trolling style of fishing, we used to do long drifts up the middle of Grafham water on lead-core lines. Can be very effective but nothing beats fishing Nymphs and Buzzers out the front of the boat, when you find the fish. Great video bought back some good memories thanks guys.
Glad you enjoyed it Shaun.
I can't believe this...i actually was on that day on the lake with you guys...just starting fly fishing...and i had a chat with you at the end when we where docking the boats regarding the session as my one was not that good(as imagine) because i was using a intermediate line and not sinking one. Really a genuine guy and friendly, straight away told me what i have to do to catch more fish in this weather. I followed his tips and i am back there this weekend so fingers cross i get more fish...😅. Really loved the video also 👍👍
I remember, I am sure you will kill it this Weekend 👍👍👍
I will probably go on Sunday..and it shows around 13C...will this change the method? Or the fish will still be at the bottom?
I guess a purist who can afford an expensive beat on a prime wild trout chalk stream would say it’s not fly fishing. But for the rest of us, we’d be more than happy to call it that for the day that you two have just enjoyed.
Ah, you mistake us Rodger, Ian and I are far from purists.
Great video Lindsay, is backdrifting the new SP technique for 2023. (and great beanie hat, Invicta FFC)
Great quality beanies are hard to come by pal ;-)
Always entertaining. I really appreciate your sense of humor and choices made during editing.
I appreciate that, I want it to be entertaining as well as informative.
Great stuff Lindsay, I'm a regular bank angler to Farmoor in the Spring and Summer months and the sport can be superb when you get it right. I'd have to disagree with you on the 'is it fly fishing' debate though. Sure, it's not as rewarding as matching the hatch and drifting a nymph with the current, but there is still some skill involved and your fly is still imitating some form of food source for the fish to feed on, regardless of which way you cast on the drift. I think it's a similar debate to the bung tbh; both methods are deadly and less traditional, but both are still fly fishing (in my humble opinion!).
Hi Ben, yes Farmoor can produce amazing sport from the bank and when it warms up I will be up to do a video on the buzzer fishing. That's the thing about fly fishers there is always a good debate to be had!.....lol.
Can't be any worse than carp fishing on an overstocked commercial catching 400lb plus in 5hrs.
I like the Avon and the Dorset Stour. Some nice Grayling and Small Browies.
Next time you go to Manningford for the Grayling can you let me know and I shall stay at ho.e.
Don't like the rain lol
I might as well do a rain dance before I go.......lol.
I prefer the traditional style of fly fishing. Really love fly fishing on rivers but don't have any around my way. So it's always lakes. I try useing small flies even on the bigger waters, but often revert to lures if I don't catch. Great video.
It’s tough when there are not many options. I have to travel for all my fishing 👍
I'm really found this channel! Being of Scottish ancestry myself, I'll subscribe just to hear the brogue! Even thoo I cannae ken a thin you'rre seeyin'!
lol, I will try and speak slower ;-)
Yum Yum. That soup looked nice😄
It was!
Those were some healthy looking fish! As long as you’re having fun, not much else matters 😊……. Thank you Lindsay!!! 👍🎣
They fought hard for sure 👍
My enjoyment is imparting any knowledge over my fishing years to youngsters who are interested in the sport Lindsay
That is awesome!
Lindsay at the end of the day you were out fly fishing in some trying conditions and you caught some great fish remember the days you blanked and always remember not all of us can fish chalk streams and good Prized trout streams 👍
You got that right! You learn more from a blank than a great day though ;-)
Lindsay you still give me hope as I am fly tying with your great tuition top man 👨
If you don’t mind the cold I suppose it’s something like fly fishing but not for me I will wait till ther up in water
I agree, not fly fishing. This is just a legal form of trolling. That doesn’t mean it’s not fun or enjoyable though.
Thanks Lindsay, for your informative and enthusiastic videos. I only fish floating lines, very occasionally with an intermediate tip and on the river I'm not into Euro nymphing or French leader. I'll be out in a boat a bit later in the year, when there is hopefully some action higher in the water. I just enjoy going through the motions of casting a line. I accept that I'm not a serious angler but also that if you have been in the cold all day, it's nice to have some success. I suppose it's fly fishing if the person who does it believes that it is and is not breaking any rules. Thanks again to yourself and your long suffering boat partner.
Thanks David, as long as you are enjoying yourself and doing no harm I don’t see an issue. As for Ian he’s lucky to have me as a boat partner 🤣🤣🤣
Top upload as always, informative and educational, kind regards Mike, Norfolk.
Thanks Mike, much appreciated.
Good honest stuff, thank you.
Welcome 👍
Like the NetCam from Farmoor. Different perspective on matters
I use this quite a bit in other videos, glad you like it.
As a newbie i will try whatever is going Lindsay. Tight lines.
James, as long as you are within the rules you should try everything once..... except Marmite its vile!....lol
Cant beat a bit of winter back scuttling ! Nice vid mate
Farmoor is the best place for it pal, you been on Grafham yet?
@@lindsayiflyfish No mate ... Sod that ! Way to cold ! lol.. Let the keener guys enjoy the stocky smash , I will wait till the buzzers get going mid April and the big girls come out to play before my first ressie trip .
@@timjoyceflyfishing-essex6769 Good stuff pal, we need to try and carve out a day before your diary fills up.
@@lindsayiflyfish Would like that mate . Let me know sooner rather than later as this years looking very busy !
A great days lure fishin lads👍👍😉
We always have a laugh.
Maybe you could have tried Northampton style far more interesting or maybe quarter drifting across the wind boat skills I don’t see on Farmoor often but definitely fly fishing ask the late Steve Parton
Interesting take on it, never tried Normanton style, must give it a go.
Hell yeah 👍
Very enjoyable video and clearly a great method of catching `lake` trout. Just a word of caution however as some waters do not allow what they describe as trailing the fly behind a moving boat.
That is correct Roy you should always check the rules.
It doesn't matter how you catch them fishing is fishing . Greats from Holland.
Hope it’s sunny in Holland 👍
Brilliant video… looks cold!!!
Bloody freezing pal.
Enjoyed the video tend to agree with yous 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
I’m trying to learn the art of dry fly fishing but choosing the right fly isn’t easy and the temptation to tie on a damsel or red apps is always there. Fished last night and was covered in caenis flies in flat calm conditions. Fish wouldn’t touch anything I had in my box and I was left scratching my head. It’s often baffling but always enjoyable. Mostly.
A Griffiths Nat works during canes but it’s a tough hatch.
Thanks for the tip @@lindsayiflyfish
Yes, was hard going although a joy to watch. Fish rising everywhere!
Great to see you back on the water in a boat pal first of many trips for the season. Earlier today a certain Welshman posted about his first trip to Rutland. When he mentioned about returning again. I mentioned your trip to his local favourite water. And that a vlog of return team up with you on your favourite water Rutland could be a consideration? So a possible addition to the KitKat cup. A Rarebit cup??? With Rhys Fishing
Already in the pipeline Mick.
@@lindsayiflyfish your outlook and fishing styles compliment each other combined with your camera/drone/editing abilities, both channels with benefit on a collaborative effort imho.
A great day on the water and the booby fly work great thanks for sharing
Very pleased with the fly pal.
I think that what is fly fishing has been forgotten or for some anglers never been known , it seems to me that how many fish caught or size is the motive now and any method will do I. Whont say I haven’t tried some of the methods but they never sat right with me, I love to fish small and have done well, but I won’t call people who fish these methods if they enjoy that good luck to them and I hope they have good days.
Regards Ian
Fair enough Ian, I am all for letting people fish how they want to. Live and let live I say.
@@lindsayiflyfish exactly well said Lindsey regards Ian
Agree with your first point. We have had a culture creeping in that you must catch as many fish as possible whatever. This has emerged in part from competition fishing and the whole paid put and take stockie scene. I don't subscribe to the rationalisation that came from this, that somehow anything goes. Attitudes plainly do matter, in life and in fly fishing. It would be really healthy if people accepted blank days, there is nothing wrong in that at all but I know we now have a world that is somehow frenetic and entitled (you must have everything you want all the time). For me fly fishing is an aesthetic pursuit, it's self evident we set self limiting rules about it, that's the whole point. Part of being a fly fisherman is showing respect for the traditions, nature and the quarry. This doesn't have to be mean snobbishness and entail expensive access to chalk streams. I fish for wild fish for next to hothing in cost. Being 'purist' is sometimes made out to be wrong though it's not a bad thing, rather it can be a good thing. I'm proud to want a pure approach - pure waters, pure nature, pure attitudes - respecting what and how we do things.
Very interesting and informative
Glad it was helpful!
Loved the end part 😂, tend to agree with your veiws but each to their own as long as rules allows
Tight Lines and good to see the eyes are ok 👍🏻
I have to be honest it was fun but there is no real skill or challenge to it.
Nice job guys! Give me a riverbank any day.
Fair play. 👍
nice video but at 3:27 min mark your friend really needs to put his lifejacket on correctly. The crutch strap is no good if you do not wear it, if he fell in the lifejacket would go above his head and not help it at all.
I will soundly chastise him the next time we are out! 👍
Thanks for the video Lindsay, like yourself I’m not a big fan of this method but it’s nice to have a blank breaker in reserve if you really need it. Not every day is suitable for flicking out a size 20 gnat on a floating line over the front is it? Cheers
Totally agree! In the winter you might well enjoy a wee back scuttling session....lol.
@@lindsayiflyfish why restrict it to the winter?
Is that not called trolling in Scotland and frowned upon.?
Might well be, but in England its called back drifting and the prefered tactic at Farmoor.....lol.
@@lindsayiflyfish A most enjoyable video all the same 👍
Can’t see a problem if you’re fishing deep, want to avoid a blank, and can’t get your flies down in the conventional way because you’re drifting too fast and can’t or don’t want to anchor, but wouldn’t want to do it for long
Once every year or so with a pal would do me.
Not fly fishing...but certainly good for newbies !!
Absolutely
Never fished out the back of the boat into the wind have hooked fish like yourself maybe having looking for a fly and line in the water and afish takes when your not really in control
It’s very effective.
Were you anchored or drifting.You said you should cast into the wind but for a beginner that's not so easy with a DI 7. I still enjoyed the video and thanks for braving the winter chill. How are the eyes now?
Hi Mike, I was drifting and yes you are correct it's not so easy to cast into the wind. I suppose a beginner could just pay line out without the effort of casting. They would achieve the same result just a little slower.
i have to agree, it,s trolling really.
Yes, great for kids just starting out.
Is that method legal on other waters Lindsay 🤔
Not sure Lawrence have never asked to be honest.
If you define fly fishing ??? Then I believe you where fly fishing ! You where defiantly fishing and you caught loads of fish so win win 😆
I was using a fly line and a fly ..... tough one.
Horses for courses and the tug is the drug.It is a form of harling as practiced in New Zealand.Fly fishing has evolved over the years to embrace various questionable methods which go outside the traditionalist box.Fly rod,fly line,fly on the end I just don't see anything wrong in it.The alternatives would yield little or no action as your leader difference showed.You will not find many using this method when the buzzers are up.How in this day and age do you categorise ''fly fishing'' is what is questionable.Conditions and venue dictate the approach which in these baltic conditions proved to be the best one.👍😈
Lindsay when did you start fly fishing - you must have seen some changes over the years. I feel fly fishing is loosing it elite title with the popularity of saltwater pike and coarse fishing onthe fly
Hi Coach, I have been fly fishing around 35 years and the changes have been massive. The term elite never sits well with me and with (let's be honest here) fly fishing on the decline in the UK. Not all change is good but it is inevitable, If we don't evolve from the tweed and upstream dry fly attitude I doubt many youngsters will be beating a path to the tackle shop to buy fly fishing gear. Its incumbent on us all to encourage inclusion in our sport whether fishing for Pike, Perch, Chub and all the other species that can be targeted on the fly.
Agreed not the favourite method. Old school logic does say if you are using a fly rod, fly line and fly you are probably fly fishing Lindsay
Some would disagree Peter, no argument from me. 👍
Lures or flies?
Flies
Facing into the wind all day brrrrrrrr no thanks
Chilly for sure 🥶
Chilly for sure 🥶
Looks like Wynchwood copied a trick from Orvis' ugly trunk!
I hate the white it just gets grubby.
@@lindsayiflyfish amdbit looks terrible too, as it does on the orvis sticks. Bad marketing move to put that sticker on there. Hope it redeems itself by fishing good.🤓
@@gregb8824 Brilliant for sinking lines nae good for the light stuff.
It is enjoyable but that doesn't make it fly fishing, be honest it's lure fishing, you don't need to have exclusive access to chalk streams to fly fish properly there's streams and rivers everywhere only need a club licence, and they have proper wild trout not obese fin damaged obscenities.
I hear you but not everyone has access to streams and rivers that you can just join a club. I had to recently give up my S&D club membership as it was becoming too expensive. I guess the point iI am making is you have to take your fishing where you can. Thanks for the comment.
So Lindsey do you condone trolling???
Richard, it's not for me to condone or reprimand. It is within the rules of the fishery, I think I made my views clear in the video.
Dead right Lindsay a method that has saved many a day . how do you like the boat seat had my eye on one for a while.keep up the good work keeps me entertained till its warm enough for me to get out.@@lindsayiflyfish
@@grahamengland1307 It took me a couple of outings to get used to now I love it.
Any method that is permitted at that time in that water.
It works.
Most importantly it causes minimal distress and no harm to the fish.
Trolling can be a safe method when done correctly.
I think that the chuck n leave it boobie say from a dam wall while they carry on fishing a separate rod. Resulting in a deep hooked fish with zero chance of survival. Are no better than poachers with gill nets. Cruel and never a justified practice.
Well call me an old fart but I don't like it, but then I am an imatitive guy who doesn't fish boobies blobs et al and no I don't mind if others want to fish that way.
Presumably, if the fishery rules permit it, you could fish that way in a competition?
As for being a good way to introduce a beginner, I think not. It's called fishing, not catching and part of the deal in fly fishing is to be able to cast a line???
What ISN'T fly fishing is this bubble-float and maggot dangling nonsense, (sorry bung fishing).
Seems to me everyone has a different trigger! Live and let live I say.
Yes though far from purist myself when i see somebody on the bung reminds me of coarse fishing .