I have this opposition. On the one hand, I'm glad because if I hadn't fought as a child, I wouldn't be here now. It helped me a lot when I started deeply working on myself and started studying psychology. I am a psychologist now and helping people build stability and confidence in themselves as I helped myself. Everything that has happened to us can move and strengthen us if we want to learn and develop respect and love for ourselves, for other people, and for nature. 💗 Thank you, Jewel, for the amazing videos. You are the master.
Yhh having this in opposition position makes the trauma and lack of power and control during childhood a real problem in intimate and public relations, life is one big power struggle with everyone, but the positive of this aspect I’m driven and understanding at same time
@@redefinedliving5974 I have this aspect but it seems people are threatened by me. They thwart whenever I make a move. But as I grew older, I realized those that are insecure are the only ones who feels threatened by my being.
@@sherrensteal2635 I made this comment 10 months ago and I experienced the most growth ever in my life as I realized I was surrounded with and was raised by narcissists :( And yes this made me attract insecure people, accept their shitty treatment and thought I'm the one needed fixing here. Ehhh I have this aspect square Pluto lol I was actually quite powerful bc I see through people's BS and motherfuckers made me believe I was the weak one 😅
@@sherrensteal2635 I made this comment 10 months ago and I experienced the most growth ever in my life as I realized I was surrounded with and was raised by narcissists :( And yes this made me attract insecure people, accept their shitty treatment and thought I'm the one needed fixing here. Ehhh I have this aspect square Pluto lol I was actually quite powerful bc I see through people's BS and motherfuckers made me believe I was the weak one 😅
Interesting and thank you. I have Saturn in Aries opposed with Mars. You are correct about the dominant parent. My mother in this case. This is where the problems come from in my self-expression and self-image. She was very critical and controlling. Yes. I feel that I have to constantly develop strength and have a problem with authority figures.
Dad was the same way. I have been very demeaning and condescending towards him, now that I am an adult. Treat me nice, then I will do the same. If not, then I will go out of my way to destroy someone's life. My anger and temper, no one would want to see me angry. Don't be afraid to put abusive authority figures in their place and don't take nonsense from anyone.
I learned that learning self-respect and acknowledging your power will help you build good relationships and respect from authoritative figures. Always remember that the insecure are the ones that will feel threatened by your power and they will try to "thwart" it but don't fret, as this has nothing to do with you but them. Fck uberly insecure people.
@@manlyunicorns1999 how this placement work depends on the person and how their charts are playing around it. At the end of the day, it all boils down to how evolved the person is. People having this placements can either be wallowed by the "negativity" of this placement or learn from it and grow. How I see this placement is that it teaches you to own your power and learn to stand up for yourself when needed be. It is also a character builder. As someone who grew up with this placement, I have been thwarted to speak up my truth a couple of times and my younger and insecure self would refuse to defend myself and seether in anger silently. But as I grew older, I decided to own my personal power and learned to protect and defend myself when needed be and also I have learned to establish boundaries and respect it from others as well, meaning, I do not force my will unto others, understanding that other people have a mind and will of their own. So your comment on my statement is pretty subjective. :) But my statement in this comment thread still stands because it's just facts. Insecure people seek to control and destroy others because it's the only way they can feel powerful. They rob others of their will because they can't exude it from themselves. I remember when I wrote that comment. I was in the verge of transformation, I literally just had epiphanies in my life and it's pretty normal to feel angst on things that's been bothering me for so long. Glad I calmed down now. If I were in my old state, I would have reacted to your comment differently. :)
Thank you so much. This has been a wound that has run through my life in all ways, and I have been uncovering it bit by bit. My mars is in Libra on the descendant, opposite my saturn in Aries conjunct my AC. I have never felt so called out as I have in this video. So much clarity presented itself to me. I had not mastered this nearly as well as I thought I had. I was crying by the end. Thank you again.
I was moved and inspired by this video of yours. So much soul felt which connected me to mine. I have this aspect. It shows up in every area of my life in one form or another. I have a youthful, fairy like appearance and disposition mixed with my calm, collected, grounded Taurus moon and so people do not assume that there are some very deeply disturbed caverns within me. That factor alone seems like one of crosses to bear in this lifetime. When I express my authentic feelings and boundaries to other people, even if gently, I either get a retaliation or I get abandoned, or the person doubles down, or becomes physically violent. I have been working on this inside of me since I finally left my husband 3 years ago and I feel like I don’t know what else to do on my own to really manage this and start to really own my own life, process repressed anger and even identify that it actually *is* anger. I don’t even know what anger actually truly feels like enough to identify it. It all just stays inside of me and it results in Illnesses, liver damage despite never being a drinker or drug user etc... it’s time for me to get help. I’m ready to integrate this force inside of me screaming to be loved, acknowledged, accepted and invited in healthfully to allow it to finally work on me and allow me to thrive in my own life. This is a lonely aspect. I’m not alone but I feel trapped inside of myself often and it’s very hard to explain. I want to really work on this. I don’t think I can manage the consequences of this aspect in my life anymore. I’m ready to turn crisis’ into inconveniences and start to feel *truly* proud of myself instead of waiting for someone else to do it.
@@asdff7279hi thanks for your comment. I only recently learned what that word was. I have been told by a few different people that I am what you said. When I was 4 in 1995 my doctor urged my mom to have me start testing for ADD & Asperger’s. My mom was in denial that I needed medical intervention or extra help & at that time in society I think she felt offended & embarrassed so she casted out that idea and decided she’d change my diet, believing that would change my behavior & development. I wasn’t a bad baby/toddler. I was just distant. And my elder sister by 3 years was, in comparison, a firecracker. Very unruly, devious, and sought out attention & stimulation. Of course I probably seemed socially reserved & emotionally, verbally & developmentally lacking compared to her which is what they did our entire upbringing - compare us. Also just after my birth my mom, sister & I were moved from California to Germany for the first couple years of my life since my dad was stationed there & was at war in Saudi Arabia during those critical developmental years. My mom was highly unfit. Could not keep the home clean, partied & left me with strangers, having affairs etc.. she was only 23 & dad was 33 so I see the issue there. She was just so emotionally volatile & inconsistent. I was very attached to her though & then she got arrested in front of me & sister when I was 5 & I did not see her again until I was 11 years old because she went to prison. All of this really cemented in the developmental issues I believe. I don’t think I have ASD but I know I have undiagnosed ADHD that seems to get worse, not better. I don’t typically & often share all this extra personal info but I just felt like today was a good day to share.
Wow. Just wow. Mars Libra (and rising), Saturn Aries. My whole life I’m either ASSERTIVE or completely placating. I went into law enforcement at 24, and it was so detrimental to my soul being in that career. Letter of the law all the way, because I had something to “prove.” I was the boss. I was over compensating because of the lack of power I felt as a child. Fortunately my Cancer Jupiter/MC kept my kindness intact, but my whole life has been repression. I’m innately angry, and although it has soften as I’ve evolved, I know it’s still there. So many aha moments in this video. THANK YOU! I feel like I just had the best therapy session of my life. Will be listening again and again. ❤️
I have Mars in Libra 5th house opposite Saturn in Aries 11th. Always saw this as never speaking up 4 myself Even though Gemini Asc. Saturn holds me back from showing my true self & Mars always makes me give in to others ways. Abused by Mother who’s a Cap & could never say no to bosses. Giving my all just to please them yet always hurting on inside cos I didn’t speak up. High anxiety levels constantly in fight or flight mode led to my epilepsy. Am 50 now & only recognising this.
I have This opposition and also epilepsy ..Mars in Cancer Satrun Capricorn so weird its a 10 degree orb yet it's so strongly felt ... very helpful Jewel ..really makes me rethink orbs
My ex has this is opposition and his father was a violent drunk. His father would get drunk and beat the crap out of them. With that being said literally everything you said is spot on. God help anyone who gets in his way .
Here's something more interesting. David Goggins (Google him , it'll blow your mind) has this aspect too & he's was very fat in his early years but he trained hard to become a Navy Seal & his father would beat the crap out of him too.
@@rahulranjan9013 I watched a video on that a while back. I guess Michael Jackson had it too. It rings true I suppose, both had harsh fathers, as did I, luckily he didn’t beat me but the emotional/mental blockages I acquired from those experiences are definitely points of difficulty for me. I guess Michael Jackson & David Goggins prove that you can overcome the adversity this aspect provides us (un)fortunate few with. David Goggins story especially gives me hope. As I grow older I like to think I grow wiser. I still have some anger & self acceptance issues but they’re nowhere near as bad as they were when I was younger. I also feel I don’t feel the inclination to prove myself to others as intensely as I did back then either. But if I’m being honest my Mars placement is one of the most afflicted planets in my chart & it’s not the easiest finding a balance between overexerting my will or getting stuck in ruts of complacency. Some other aspects for example; Mars square a Pluto/Jupiter conjunction. There’s actually a T-square between Mars, Saturn & Jupiter & Im still trying to figure how to use that energy dynamic as productively as possible.
@@Heksensang Michael Jackson actually had the inconjunction which is arguably worse. Another famous MJ however - Michael Jordan - has the opposition and it is one of the most prevailing, overwhelming features in his life and personality. You hear it come through in his language so clearly when he speaks and his entire basketball career lives out this arc.
@@doublevenusastroI don’t know anything about Michael Jordan, I’d love to hear anything you had to say about what your perception is regarding: his Mars/Saturn opposition?
I have the opposition with Saturn in the 4th and yes, my mother who’s Aquarius moon conjuncts my Saturn was tyrannical and cruel towards me so I learned to fall into the victim role. Being ignored by her or any other people who “mimick” her role is very invalidating but I’m working on relying on myself for validation vs through my work. It’s difficult to get out of the pattern of the very strict rules and standards I’ve set for myself as a result but I’m determined to do it.
I resonate so much with your energy and how you convey/express information. It’s like you’re a tame flame ✨🔥🏵️💚✨ Thanks for sharing this great in depth video!
Got this aspect, it feels exactly as you're describing it, you're a genius. Thanks for helping me and others who also have this how to deal with ourselves, you're an angel
I have this aspect and I hate it when I start to get the feeling that I have to prove something. Lately I started to realize it and I am trying to reprogram myself to not feel like that because I absolutely don't have to. And then I also have venus square saturn and mercury and same with mars...but this opposition I really think I dislike most in my chart
I get chu, funny I’ve always been prone to get entangled with tensions in relationships with ppl whom I am close to, despite being thought of as cool and friendly by most 🤥 fired from my mortgage job cuz ‘your personality does not suit this line of work’ though I’ve done a lot of extra tasks passed onto me by senior co-workers that doesn’t make me extra💰 I’ve learned that I don’t need to overexert myself to be a decent human being and man how much things have changed 🤯
Jewel !! I thank you tremendously for your work, especially this video. This resonated with me so deeply with me right now, at a pivotal moment in my life. I am so thankful that I came across this video at a point to fully receive it
My boyfriend has this aspect. His father is an alboholic and when he was in primary school his mother went to college and he would stay at the house with the father, who not only didn't provide him with food and emotional support, he would get drunk and pass out or get abusive. My boyfriend would find him passed out on the kitchen floor, he would call his mom crying saying he had nothing to eat and he was hungry, but there was no one there that would help him. His mother would just say she can't be there, because it's a 2 hour drive. He would sometimes have to lock himiself in his room to stop the angry father from entering it. He would get beaten up, aggresively thrown around and so forth. Now he's an adult, who's driven to have a more successful career and income than his father. He definitely gets combative with him, both literally and in terms of success and life achievements. His sun and moon are conjunct in sagittarius and they orbit the midheaven (moon is in 9th and sun in 10th house) He's very insecure and unable to recognize that his behavior is just a display of the insecurity, not a demonstration of strength. He thinks his worth is measured only by his possessions and that everyone who's ever wronged him is below him, because he's achieved so much (when in reality he's too young to even have achieved anything and all his possessions come from his parents, to his dismay) He's nearing a 12th house transit by pluto, so like, pray for him.
I have this aspect, it's a five degree orb with Mars in libra and saturn in pisces, and I've watched this video probably four times now to try to juice every drop of wisdom from it. I didn't think I still had this problem until my last job. I've had a total of 13 different jobs in 7 years. It doesn't help that I have a star of David in my chart. Self control has always been the biggest struggle for me. I am slowly learning to overcome it.
Incredible video. Your insights are exactly what I have been shown I need to work on. Bringing my Saturn in Pisces 7h, Mars in Virgo 12h opp to zero point creates true power. Thank you deeply.
My abusive step father has this in a grand square with Pluto opposite venus filling the cross opposition of the square. Your description of this ‘slice’ of his personality was spot on! Thank you for taking the time to make this video... it helped me see him more clearly and accept that I am not crazy for feeling abused.
Hello Jewel, I hope you will read this or other women with this aspect. I have an ever existing feeling of being less valuable than everyone else. A sense of shame of myself accompanies me for a long time, which gets triggered in some situations more than in others. I have a problem with men. I am hetero sexual but there is an underlying fear of men in me, a fear of masculine aggression and sexuality. When it is shown to me bluntly I freeze, I am in fear. I have the feeling that my boundaries are invaded and I am losing a connection to myself. I become complete slave to the "master" but I don't want it. I hate being submissive. Some men even asked me if I was abused or why I am so tense when I should actually enjoy the sexual tensions building up and attraction being shown towards me. I wasn't abused but I know that feeling still somehow... I lose control over myself but not in a good way, in a paralyzing way. This mechanism plays off repeatedly and I wonder if this has something to do with this aspect that I have in tight orb. (I also have Mars square Pluto in a wider orb). Maybe some other women can relate to this feeling, too and would like to share.. I do martial arts btw since I am a child. I love the feeling of defending myself with a weapon and attacking my oponent in an intelligent way, I feel powerful then.
Jewel, I find it interesting how you said “men identify with Mars and women don’t”. I could be wrong but I personally find that hard Mars contacts in men can show up with more aggression than with women because of the way that they and society identifies them so strongly with Mars and martian things. Especially the egotistical side of Mars.
You touched me so deeply... I feel so understood, it makes me weep. A deep wound seen and I'm willing to become the master, through flowing with the currents.
I have to thank you so much for this video it really helped me understand and put into perspective a lot of things I’ve always struggled with including specifically with issues I’ve been talking with my therapist about. I noticed the issues but was having trouble understanding the root of it all and how it was displayed through my own behavior externally and internally.
I have Mars opposite Saturn.. Saturn in Taurus 5H and Mars in Scorpio 11H. Actually my mom is the most dominant parent and caused me the most pain in my childhood
I have this opposition in my natal chart and really thought about your description in regards to a lesbian women...As a gay sensitive guy with a lot of water energy, I sometimes switch between almost feeling like a woman in regards to seeking an alpha male to cope with my lack of authoritarianism, to suddenly wanting to replace that said authoritarian myself time to time.. I am more passive aggressive since my Mars is in cancer, but this makes me emotionally shut down and more internally explode rather than venting out my aggression externally...This disposition is very difficult to work with in harmony especially in regards to career. Also I get very irritated with aspects of humiliation as you rightly said, and i find it an enormous challenge to accept or be ok with humiliation!. I like it when I'm in control, even if I don't even think of myself of "strong" or question my own authoritativeness Very complex ! But thank you, I've made a lot of remedial notes. Hope fully can calmly put it into action Thank you for your very well analyzed and intuited explanation!
Everything you said was very accurate and I appreciate all the advice you gave with the explanation, I feel like I know how to begin bettering myself in regards to this placement. I've also always idolized bruce Lee and hoped to gain an ounce of his self discipline through martial arts so I was happy to know that he also had this aspect as well.
Wow Thank You. I believe this video came in a great part of my life. While Chiron is hitting my Aries moon. Aries sun, Libra rising but Mars in Scorpio in 1H.. Learning and healing on lessons of trust . Aries moons always had to do everything for themselves & we don’t know how to trust sometimes. Thank you 💗it gets exhausting constantly fighting sometimes we just have to let life and not respond to everything.
Hello glad you're back i very much enjoy your videos. I have this in my chart it a t-sq with my moon and this is my experience i definitely was a victim of abuse from my brothers and my mother was emotionally abusive and explosive while my father wasnt really available he no longer talks to my brothers so its played out very literally for me . For a long time i felt i had to prove myself to the world, and now i accept all things. I don't tolerate toxic shit but i don't feel the anger that comes with the having no control over how others behave when its in my opinion abusive. I just refocus on me and change my thoughts to what makes me feel good. Not so much clashes with authority though??
I have this opposition. But I guess I have healed my wounds cause I tend to be dominant in other aspects that my husband doesn’t mind me to. In our early marriage we tend to be at war with each other because we love to dominate. But learning to communicate and Compromise is the key. I let him take charge in aspects that I let him to. We respect each other. I think that’s important
Woww...that was deeeeep🙌🏼🏆👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 You re the best .. I ve searched for long for some guidance for this aspect....th stiffest in my chart... Yess..exactly so.. ... Looking back to my younger years....😂😂😂😂...bosses and orders? I thought it was my mission to kill them... Luckily, l learned some humbleness..or team work.. It was a full time job ..game...making enemies for no reason..with mars in cap in 5th house.. Luckily time is a great teacher
The part about character assasination of others and just being so focused on others, criticising them, playing the victim and not being able to see yourself (totally blind) is so true. It reminds me of covert narcissistic traits.
I looked up celebrities with this aspect and wow there are so many; Ariana Grande, Dan Howell, Nicole Kidman, George Clooney... It made me feel like it musnt be too bad to have it :D
The sum of my battles in this life time. Please do a moon opposite mercury natal, as i have that too, mixing in w/ this mars opp saturn in a grand cross. Deep inside I feel that this challenging aspects are seeds for, in the end, something great that you can impart to others for a greater good. Currently I am going after a psychology degree in hope I can help others towards self-realization. Thank you for your amazing work 🙏
I have mars and Saturn not conjuct in 10th seems similar. Popular but clash with authority. Uranus near the acendant and aquarius so maybe magnified. Just learning martial arts philosophy be like water . Wrote this before i heard it. Very cool. Thank you lots. Really enjoy your videos
I have Ascendant/Saturn oposing Mars/Descendant/Chiron. in Pisces/Virgo. My father was very violent in all levels. I am constantly ignored in public, and was humilliated a lot in the past. I don't respect weakness in others or myself. Everything you said was point on.... Ok. Now.. I have made this conscious and can work on it. Thanks a lot.. and yes I can be dangerous but my Cancer sun and Libra moon make me a nice person overall :b
Mars in 1st house, Sun in 5th house, Saturn in 8th house. sexual abuse and theft in my house(I was 15 years old), I had no reaction, I have lost l memory. Recently my ex husband abused me and so did his mother, he said I was worthless, he also hit me. He hated my voice, that I didn't bow my head but how can I. All my life it's been like this. Sometimes I feel like I'm always surviving, I feel like I can't trust. When I do it, it hurts so much. I also have Pluto/Venus in the 4th house opposing the Moon. It is so difficult. I feel stupid, I just want to live. I don't want to survive the pain anymore. I am very afraid but I have fought so hard to get out of my depression and trauma. My mind broke when I was 15 years old. Sometimes I feel my fight will be eternal. How I am not able to fight, I spoke with power, I cannot control the damage. My son brought out strength in me that I didn't know I could have. I want to protect my son, I want to take care of him and be strong to take care of us. Because I don't trust the world.
Such a complete video, thanks for all the Effort you put into this :) If you happen to see this comment, would you be thinking into making a Mars in the houses in synastry? I have looked for something like that (like the others playlists you have) but it’s not as complete as your videos. I learn so much from you. Take care! Wish you the best :)
me too. i was shamed for being "dominant" but didn't really care about it anymore as I grew older as I realized that their insecurities has nothing to do with me. Fellow alphas are going to respect you for who you are and will recognize you. claim it. since you're an alpha, you shouldn't be worried about the opinions of those sheeps.
I have this aspect (MARS in PISCES opposition to SATURN in VIRGO) - North Node also in Virgo. It's true that I never want to make anybody else feel uncomfortable. As a Pisces I am already naturally sensitive towards others but with this opposition. It's also true that in order for me to enjoy a day at the beach, I HAVE TO have exercises and eaten healthy before so that I can be WORTHY of being at the beach with no shirt on. Otherwise I don't feel deserving and uncomfortable.
I don't think that this aspect means "father wound." I observe people with this aspect are quite conservative with their approach to things of life. Strict people, especially when jupiter is also involved...
Thank you Jewel, this helped me realise things about myself and helped me make sense of my past. I have mars retrograde in sagittarius loosely opposite saturn (7 degrees) and I can relate to this video, but weirdly I think this energy used to be way stronger in me when I was young, and I don't feel like that as much now. I think having neptune trine saturn helps me a lot with having a more idealistic attitude to authority (and maybe venus loosely conjunct saturn helps too?? not sure if it works that way). Also will you ever do a saturn opposite pluto video? Id love to see it
thank you for this jewel. no wonder i always had the affinity for bruce lee. in fact he's one of my role models in high school but not knowing much about him except his sense of self mastery
I have this aspect. Saturn 7th house Aries & Moon 7th house Aries opposite Mars 1st house Libra. It's an interesting aspect - makes me need affection but also run away from it. Also a problem with being competitive in my relationships, needing to have the upper hand..
Well, I am not lesbian, but I identify myself with Mars, I have so much Mars in my chart, that I can say I AM Mars. I’m and Arie sun, with Mars and Mercury in Aries, and my moon is in Scorpio. So, you tell me if I identify with it or not, lol. I tend to clash with bosses a lot!! For everything else, you are pinpoint accurate 🙌🏼
My mom and older brothers has this aspect my other older brother has Mars contra parallel Saturn I have Mars semi square Saturn and my little brother Mars semi sextile(Inconjunct)Saturn. So we're a very steamy family.
True! I have the Conjunction & though I do assume authority, the lessons have been with regard to humility. Having the placement in Pisces, perhaps it has been easier than in another Sign? Never-the-less, it's a fine line & best you don't over step it. You run the risk of becoming a pompous, insufferable ass!! Own it, or it will be put upon you & as with all Saturn Aspects, age & experience help to balance things out immensely ;) Thanks, Jewel =)
I do not have this aspect but it is so useful to learn just to understand people more deeply. I love your videos.
I have this opposition. On the one hand, I'm glad because if I hadn't fought as a child, I wouldn't be here now.
It helped me a lot when I started deeply working on myself and started studying psychology. I am a psychologist now and helping people build stability and confidence in themselves as I helped myself.
Everything that has happened to us can move and strengthen us if we want to learn and develop respect and love for ourselves, for other people, and for nature. 💗
Thank you, Jewel, for the amazing videos. You are the master.
Yhh having this in opposition position makes the trauma and lack of power and control during childhood a real problem in intimate and public relations, life is one big power struggle with everyone, but the positive of this aspect I’m driven and understanding at same time
omg the power struggle yesssss :( i always feel like others are threatening my whole being XD
@@redefinedliving5974 I have this aspect but it seems people are threatened by me. They thwart whenever I make a move. But as I grew older, I realized those that are insecure are the only ones who feels threatened by my being.
@@sherrensteal2635 I made this comment 10 months ago and I experienced the most growth ever in my life as I realized I was surrounded with and was raised by narcissists :( And yes this made me attract insecure people, accept their shitty treatment and thought I'm the one needed fixing here. Ehhh I have this aspect square Pluto lol I was actually quite powerful bc I see through people's BS and motherfuckers made me believe I was the weak one 😅
@@sherrensteal2635 I made this comment 10 months ago and I experienced the most growth ever in my life as I realized I was surrounded with and was raised by narcissists :( And yes this made me attract insecure people, accept their shitty treatment and thought I'm the one needed fixing here. Ehhh I have this aspect square Pluto lol I was actually quite powerful bc I see through people's BS and motherfuckers made me believe I was the weak one 😅
@@redefinedliving5974 hahahaha exactly! these idiots thinks we didn't know any better. They thought we blind lol until we explode! hahahaha
Interesting and thank you. I have Saturn in Aries opposed with Mars. You are correct about the dominant parent. My mother in this case. This is where the problems come from in my self-expression and self-image. She was very critical and controlling. Yes. I feel that I have to constantly develop strength and have a problem with authority figures.
Dad was the same way. I have been very demeaning and condescending towards him, now that I am an adult. Treat me nice, then I will do the same. If not, then I will go out of my way to destroy someone's life. My anger and temper, no one would want to see me angry. Don't be afraid to put abusive authority figures in their place and don't take nonsense from anyone.
Also, push yourself to work on your self-esteem. Hard work is the key. Always remember that!
I learned that learning self-respect and acknowledging your power will help you build good relationships and respect from authoritative figures. Always remember that the insecure are the ones that will feel threatened by your power and they will try to "thwart" it but don't fret, as this has nothing to do with you but them. Fck uberly insecure people.
Me too I also have Saturn in Aries! Mars in libra. It’s all backwards lol
@@manlyunicorns1999 how this placement work depends on the person and how their charts are playing around it. At the end of the day, it all boils down to how evolved the person is. People having this placements can either be wallowed by the "negativity" of this placement or learn from it and grow. How I see this placement is that it teaches you to own your power and learn to stand up for yourself when needed be. It is also a character builder. As someone who grew up with this placement, I have been thwarted to speak up my truth a couple of times and my younger and insecure self would refuse to defend myself and seether in anger silently. But as I grew older, I decided to own my personal power and learned to protect and defend myself when needed be and also I have learned to establish boundaries and respect it from others as well, meaning, I do not force my will unto others, understanding that other people have a mind and will of their own. So your comment on my statement is pretty subjective. :) But my statement in this comment thread still stands because it's just facts. Insecure people seek to control and destroy others because it's the only way they can feel powerful. They rob others of their will because they can't exude it from themselves. I remember when I wrote that comment. I was in the verge of transformation, I literally just had epiphanies in my life and it's pretty normal to feel angst on things that's been bothering me for so long. Glad I calmed down now. If I were in my old state, I would have reacted to your comment differently. :)
Thank you so much. This has been a wound that has run through my life in all ways, and I have been uncovering it bit by bit. My mars is in Libra on the descendant, opposite my saturn in Aries conjunct my AC. I have never felt so called out as I have in this video. So much clarity presented itself to me. I had not mastered this nearly as well as I thought I had. I was crying by the end. Thank you again.
I was moved and inspired by this video of yours. So much soul felt which connected me to mine.
I have this aspect. It shows up in every area of my life in one form or another. I have a youthful, fairy like appearance and disposition mixed with my calm, collected, grounded Taurus moon and so people do not assume that there are some very deeply disturbed caverns within me. That factor alone seems like one of crosses to bear in this lifetime. When I express my authentic feelings and boundaries to other people, even if gently, I either get a retaliation or I get abandoned, or the person doubles down, or becomes physically violent. I have been working on this inside of me since I finally left my husband 3 years ago and I feel like I don’t know what else to do on my own to really manage this and start to really own my own life, process repressed anger and even identify that it actually *is* anger. I don’t even know what anger actually truly feels like enough to identify it.
It all just stays inside of me and it results in Illnesses, liver damage despite never being a drinker or drug user etc...
it’s time for me to get help. I’m ready to integrate this force inside of me screaming to be loved, acknowledged, accepted and invited in healthfully to allow it to finally work on me and allow me to thrive in my own life.
This is a lonely aspect. I’m not alone but I feel trapped inside of myself often and it’s very hard to explain. I want to really work on this. I don’t think I can manage the consequences of this aspect in my life anymore. I’m ready to turn crisis’ into inconveniences and start to feel *truly* proud of myself instead of waiting for someone else to do it.
Kudos to everyone sharing this aspect 🙏🏻
Thank you for sharing your story and I hope you’ve progressed since❤ By any chance are you neurodivergent? 😊
Love, light and peace to you❤ thanks for sharing in so much openness and sincerity.
@@asdff7279hi thanks for your comment. I only recently learned what that word was. I have been told by a few different people that I am what you said. When I was 4 in 1995 my doctor urged my mom to have me start testing for ADD & Asperger’s. My mom was in denial that I needed medical intervention or extra help & at that time in society I think she felt offended & embarrassed so she casted out that idea and decided she’d change my diet, believing that would change my behavior & development.
I wasn’t a bad baby/toddler. I was just distant. And my elder sister by 3 years was, in comparison, a firecracker. Very unruly, devious, and sought out attention & stimulation. Of course I probably seemed socially reserved & emotionally, verbally & developmentally lacking compared to her which is what they did our entire upbringing - compare us.
Also just after my birth my mom, sister & I were moved from California to Germany for the first couple years of my life since my dad was stationed there & was at war in Saudi Arabia during those critical developmental years. My mom was highly unfit. Could not keep the home clean, partied & left me with strangers, having affairs etc.. she was only 23 & dad was 33 so I see the issue there.
She was just so emotionally volatile & inconsistent. I was very attached to her though & then she got arrested in front of me & sister when I was 5 & I did not see her again until I was 11 years old because she went to prison.
All of this really cemented in the developmental issues I believe.
I don’t think I have ASD but I know I have undiagnosed ADHD that seems to get worse, not better.
I don’t typically & often share all this extra personal info but I just felt like today was a good day to share.
Wow. Just wow. Mars Libra (and rising), Saturn Aries. My whole life I’m either ASSERTIVE or completely placating. I went into law enforcement at 24, and it was so detrimental to my soul being in that career. Letter of the law all the way, because I had something to “prove.” I was the boss. I was over compensating because of the lack of power I felt as a child. Fortunately my Cancer Jupiter/MC kept my kindness intact, but my whole life has been repression. I’m innately angry, and although it has soften as I’ve evolved, I know it’s still there.
So many aha moments in this video. THANK YOU! I feel like I just had the best therapy session of my life. Will be listening again and again. ❤️
Same placements. How did you get over it?
Same placements but Mars is in retrogade
I have Mars in Libra 5th house opposite Saturn in Aries 11th. Always saw this as never speaking up 4 myself Even though Gemini Asc. Saturn holds me back from showing my true self & Mars always makes me give in to others ways. Abused by Mother who’s a Cap & could never say no to bosses. Giving my all just to please them yet always hurting on inside cos I didn’t speak up. High anxiety levels constantly in fight or flight mode led to my epilepsy. Am 50 now & only recognising this.
I'm sorry to hear you had to go through this.
Karen, I am proud of you. I am happy you finally recognized it and hope you will claim your power back. :)
I have This opposition and also epilepsy ..Mars in Cancer Satrun Capricorn so weird its a 10 degree orb yet it's so strongly felt ... very helpful Jewel ..really makes me rethink orbs
My ex has this is opposition and his father was a violent drunk. His father would get drunk and beat the crap out of them. With that being said literally everything you said is spot on. God help anyone who gets in his way .
Here's something more interesting. David Goggins (Google him , it'll blow your mind) has this aspect too & he's was very fat in his early years but he trained hard to become a Navy Seal & his father would beat the crap out of him too.
@@rahulranjan9013 I watched a video on that a while back. I guess Michael Jackson had it too. It rings true I suppose, both had harsh fathers, as did I, luckily he didn’t beat me but the emotional/mental blockages I acquired from those experiences are definitely points of difficulty for me. I guess Michael Jackson & David Goggins prove that you can overcome the adversity this aspect provides us (un)fortunate few with. David Goggins story especially gives me hope.
As I grow older I like to think I grow wiser. I still have some anger & self acceptance issues but they’re nowhere near as bad as they were when I was younger. I also feel I don’t feel the inclination to prove myself to others as intensely as I did back then either. But if I’m being honest my Mars placement is one of the most afflicted planets in my chart & it’s not the easiest finding a balance between overexerting my will or getting stuck in ruts of complacency. Some other aspects for example; Mars square a Pluto/Jupiter conjunction. There’s actually a T-square between Mars, Saturn & Jupiter & Im still trying to figure how to use that energy dynamic as productively as possible.
@@Heksensang Michael Jackson actually had the inconjunction which is arguably worse. Another famous MJ however - Michael Jordan - has the opposition and it is one of the most prevailing, overwhelming features in his life and personality. You hear it come through in his language so clearly when he speaks and his entire basketball career lives out this arc.
@@doublevenusastroI don’t know anything about Michael Jordan, I’d love to hear anything you had to say about what your perception is regarding: his Mars/Saturn opposition?
I have been trying to work with this opposition in my natal chart for years. Your psychological Rx to this opposition is a game-changer. Thank you.
I have the opposition with Saturn in the 4th and yes, my mother who’s Aquarius moon conjuncts my Saturn was tyrannical and cruel towards me so I learned to fall into the victim role. Being ignored by her or any other people who “mimick” her role is very invalidating but I’m working on relying on myself for validation vs through my work. It’s difficult to get out of the pattern of the very strict rules and standards I’ve set for myself as a result but I’m determined to do it.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Love your super cool videos !
nice to see you again..i always enjoy your videos..good energy 💜.. the timing of this aspect couldnt be anymore perfect 😊🌊🌊🌊
I resonate so much with your energy and how you convey/express information.
It’s like you’re a tame flame
✨🔥🏵️💚✨
Thanks for sharing this great in depth video!
Got this aspect, it feels exactly as you're describing it, you're a genius. Thanks for helping me and others who also have this how to deal with ourselves, you're an angel
I have this aspect and I hate it when I start to get the feeling that I have to prove something. Lately I started to realize it and I am trying to reprogram myself to not feel like that because I absolutely don't have to. And then I also have venus square saturn and mercury and same with mars...but this opposition I really think I dislike most in my chart
I get chu, funny I’ve always been prone to get entangled with tensions in relationships with ppl whom I am close to, despite being thought of as cool and friendly by most 🤥 fired from my mortgage job cuz ‘your personality does not suit this line of work’ though I’ve done a lot of extra tasks passed onto me by senior co-workers that doesn’t make me extra💰 I’ve learned that I don’t need to overexert myself to be a decent human being and man how much things have changed 🤯
@@jentran1876 " I dont need to overexert myself to be a decent human being" I love this!
You are an excellent speaker and communicator :-)
Thank you so much for this video, you hit the nail so hard it brought tears to my eyes
Satrix Remix agreed.
I love the way you explain things, its very clean.
Thank you for discussing something so important. You are so eloquent. I'm sending you love.
Jewel !! I thank you tremendously for your work, especially this video. This resonated with me so deeply with me right now, at a pivotal moment in my life. I am so thankful that I came across this video at a point to fully receive it
You’re amazing the way you artfully articulate the emotions. Thank you!
My boyfriend has this aspect. His father is an alboholic and when he was in primary school his mother went to college and he would stay at the house with the father, who not only didn't provide him with food and emotional support, he would get drunk and pass out or get abusive. My boyfriend would find him passed out on the kitchen floor, he would call his mom crying saying he had nothing to eat and he was hungry, but there was no one there that would help him. His mother would just say she can't be there, because it's a 2 hour drive. He would sometimes have to lock himiself in his room to stop the angry father from entering it. He would get beaten up, aggresively thrown around and so forth.
Now he's an adult, who's driven to have a more successful career and income than his father. He definitely gets combative with him, both literally and in terms of success and life achievements. His sun and moon are conjunct in sagittarius and they orbit the midheaven (moon is in 9th and sun in 10th house)
He's very insecure and unable to recognize that his behavior is just a display of the insecurity, not a demonstration of strength. He thinks his worth is measured only by his possessions and that everyone who's ever wronged him is below him, because he's achieved so much (when in reality he's too young to even have achieved anything and all his possessions come from his parents, to his dismay)
He's nearing a 12th house transit by pluto, so like, pray for him.
I have the opposition and I do happen to be a bisexual woman, and I don’t like it when men try to dominate or control me.
I have this as well 🔥 and I agree 🤔
Wow thank you so much for this illuminating insight on how to turn such a challenging aspect into a strength. 🙏🏼
Wow! I sobbed throughout this whole video. I can now see how this pattern is working out in my own life. 🙏🏼 thank you!
I have this aspect, it's a five degree orb with Mars in libra and saturn in pisces, and I've watched this video probably four times now to try to juice every drop of wisdom from it. I didn't think I still had this problem until my last job. I've had a total of 13 different jobs in 7 years. It doesn't help that I have a star of David in my chart. Self control has always been the biggest struggle for me. I am slowly learning to overcome it.
I love your videos can you talk more Sun square Saturn.
I have it in the trine
Incredible video. Your insights are exactly what I have been shown I need to work on. Bringing my Saturn in Pisces 7h, Mars in Virgo 12h opp to zero point creates true power. Thank you deeply.
My abusive step father has this in a grand square with Pluto opposite venus filling the cross opposition of the square. Your description of this ‘slice’ of his personality was spot on! Thank you for taking the time to make this video... it helped me see him more clearly and accept that I am not crazy for feeling abused.
Hello Jewel, I hope you will read this or other women with this aspect. I have an ever existing feeling of being less valuable than everyone else. A sense of shame of myself accompanies me for a long time, which gets triggered in some situations more than in others. I have a problem with men. I am hetero sexual but there is an underlying fear of men in me, a fear of masculine aggression and sexuality. When it is shown to me bluntly I freeze, I am in fear. I have the feeling that my boundaries are invaded and I am losing a connection to myself. I become complete slave to the "master" but I don't want it. I hate being submissive. Some men even asked me if I was abused or why I am so tense when I should actually enjoy the sexual tensions building up and attraction being shown towards me. I wasn't abused but I know that feeling still somehow... I lose control over myself but not in a good way, in a paralyzing way.
This mechanism plays off repeatedly and I wonder if this has something to do with this aspect that I have in tight orb. (I also have Mars square Pluto in a wider orb). Maybe some other women can relate to this feeling, too and would like to share..
I do martial arts btw since I am a child. I love the feeling of defending myself with a weapon and attacking my oponent in an intelligent way, I feel powerful then.
Jewel, I find it interesting how you said “men identify with Mars and women don’t”. I could be wrong but I personally find that hard Mars contacts in men can show up with more aggression than with women because of the way that they and society identifies them so strongly with Mars and martian things. Especially the egotistical side of Mars.
You touched me so deeply... I feel so understood, it makes me weep. A deep wound seen and I'm willing to become the master, through flowing with the currents.
I have to thank you so much for this video it really helped me understand and put into perspective a lot of things I’ve always struggled with including specifically with issues I’ve been talking with my therapist about. I noticed the issues but was having trouble understanding the root of it all and how it was displayed through my own behavior externally and internally.
I have Mars opposite Saturn.. Saturn in Taurus 5H and Mars in Scorpio 11H. Actually my mom is the most dominant parent and caused me the most pain in my childhood
I have the same position, both signs and house
I have this opposition in my natal chart and really thought about your description in regards to a lesbian women...As a gay sensitive guy with a lot of water energy, I sometimes switch between almost feeling like a woman in regards to seeking an alpha male to cope with my lack of authoritarianism, to suddenly wanting to replace that said authoritarian myself time to time.. I am more passive aggressive since my Mars is in cancer, but this makes me emotionally shut down and more internally explode rather than venting out my aggression externally...This disposition is very difficult to work with in harmony especially in regards to career.
Also I get very irritated with aspects of humiliation as you rightly said, and i find it an enormous challenge to accept or be ok with humiliation!.
I like it when I'm in control, even if I don't even think of myself of "strong" or question my own authoritativeness Very complex ! But thank you, I've made a lot of remedial notes. Hope fully can calmly put it into action
Thank you for your very well analyzed and intuited explanation!
Everything you said was very accurate and I appreciate all the advice you gave with the explanation, I feel like I know how to begin bettering myself in regards to this placement. I've also always idolized bruce Lee and hoped to gain an ounce of his self discipline through martial arts so I was happy to know that he also had this aspect as well.
Wow Thank You. I believe this video came in a great part of my life. While Chiron is hitting my Aries moon. Aries sun, Libra rising but Mars in Scorpio in 1H.. Learning and healing on lessons of trust . Aries moons always had to do everything for themselves & we don’t know how to trust sometimes. Thank you 💗it gets exhausting constantly fighting sometimes we just have to let life and not respond to everything.
😭😭 plz upload more I miss u
Hello glad you're back i very much enjoy your videos. I have this in my chart it a t-sq with my moon and this is my experience i definitely was a victim of abuse from my brothers and my mother was emotionally abusive and explosive while my father wasnt really available he no longer talks to my brothers so its played out very literally for me . For a long time i felt i had to prove myself to the world, and now i accept all things. I don't tolerate toxic shit but i don't feel the anger that comes with the having no control over how others behave when its in my opinion abusive. I just refocus on me and change my thoughts to what makes me feel good. Not so much clashes with authority though??
This has helped me so much thank you, I'm struggling with the intensity of such placements
Hi Jewel, can you make a video on Mars opposite Pluto? 💜
Love you
Thanks very much! Mos def waited a long time for this aspect video 😊
Scorpio Mars, Saturn Taurus, 1st and 7th. "If you yield only to a conqueror then prepare to be conquered." Never fold.
Very interesting. Thank you for this video. i never knew Bruce Lee had this!!! Its so relatable! Like always the battle is ON ⚔️
I have this opposition. But I guess I have healed my wounds cause I tend to be dominant in other aspects that my husband doesn’t mind me to. In our early marriage we tend to be at war with each other because we love to dominate. But learning to communicate and Compromise is the key. I let him take charge in aspects that I let him to. We respect each other. I think that’s important
May I ask what's your enneagram and mbti type? If you already are familiar.
@@l.jamillah4833 I am INFJ 😊 hbu
Thank you so much!!! I really liked the star wars analogies. Spot on! And very soothing
Thank you for this video! Would love to hear you talk about natal Jupiter opposite Saturn.
Great info Jewel, thanks!
Thank you so much for such a beautiful insight on this aspect and also to provide advise to work with it.
Woww...that was deeeeep🙌🏼🏆👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
You re the best
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I ve searched for long for some guidance for this aspect....th stiffest in my chart...
Yess..exactly so..
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Looking back to my younger years....😂😂😂😂...bosses and orders? I thought it was my mission to kill them...
Luckily, l learned some humbleness..or team work..
It was a full time job ..game...making enemies for no reason..with mars in cap in 5th house..
Luckily time is a great teacher
The part about character assasination of others and just being so focused on others, criticising them, playing the victim and not being able to see yourself (totally blind) is so true. It reminds me of covert narcissistic traits.
I looked up celebrities with this aspect and wow there are so many; Ariana Grande, Dan Howell, Nicole Kidman, George Clooney... It made me feel like it musnt be too bad to have it :D
The sum of my battles in this life time. Please do a moon opposite mercury natal, as i have that too, mixing in w/ this mars opp saturn in a grand cross. Deep inside I feel that this challenging aspects are seeds for, in the end, something great that you can impart to others for a greater good. Currently I am going after a psychology degree in hope I can help others towards self-realization. Thank you for your amazing work 🙏
Thank you so much for creating this video!!
Thank you sooo much life changing info
This really saved my life. Thank you. Saturn conjunct south node and Mars conjunct north node
THANK YOU !!!!! fix grand cross with mars opposite saturn .... Today I order TAI CHI training !!!!
I have mars and Saturn not conjuct in 10th seems similar. Popular but clash with authority. Uranus near the acendant and aquarius so maybe magnified. Just learning martial arts philosophy be like water . Wrote this before i heard it. Very cool.
Thank you lots.
Really enjoy your videos
I have Ascendant/Saturn oposing Mars/Descendant/Chiron. in Pisces/Virgo.
My father was very violent in all levels.
I am constantly ignored in public, and was humilliated a lot in the past.
I don't respect weakness in others or myself. Everything you said was point on....
Ok. Now.. I have made this conscious and can work on it.
Thanks a lot.. and yes I can be dangerous but my Cancer sun and Libra moon make me a nice person overall :b
God bless you!!!!!
Just beautifully articulated, thank you🤍
Mars in 1st house, Sun in 5th house, Saturn in 8th house. sexual abuse and theft in my house(I was 15 years old), I had no reaction, I have lost l memory. Recently my ex
husband abused me and so did his mother, he said I was worthless, he also hit me. He hated my voice, that I didn't bow my head but how can I. All my life it's been like this. Sometimes I feel like I'm always surviving, I feel like I can't trust. When I do it, it hurts so much. I also have Pluto/Venus in the 4th house opposing the Moon. It is so difficult. I feel stupid, I just want to live. I don't want to survive the pain anymore. I am very afraid but I have fought so hard to get out of my depression and trauma. My mind broke when I was 15 years old.
Sometimes I feel my fight will be eternal.
How I am not able to fight, I spoke with power, I cannot control the damage. My son brought out strength in me that I didn't know I could have.
I want to protect my son, I want to take care of him and be strong to take care of us. Because I don't trust the world.
I love this woman, very insightful.
Really good video, Jewel. Thank you for this.
Can you do a video on sun square saturn natal?
Btw, My Mars opposing Saturn felt attacked and humiliated by this video😂😂😂
i have this aspect, but also have chiron and mars conjunct opposing saturn, how would that manifest in a persons personal opinions of themselves?
Same too
same here
Childhood humiliation and as a result being aggressive in the Oder age with every authority figure i opposed them
Such a complete video, thanks for all the Effort you put into this :) If you happen to see this comment, would you be thinking into making a Mars in the houses in synastry? I have looked for something like that (like the others playlists you have) but it’s not as complete as your videos. I learn so much from you. Take care! Wish you the best :)
Did anyone ever told you look just like Nicole Kidman ? 😍
ikr haha
ive always been an alpha female, i just was always forced to be the opposite, and then shamed for it
me too. i was shamed for being "dominant" but didn't really care about it anymore as I grew older as I realized that their insecurities has nothing to do with me. Fellow alphas are going to respect you for who you are and will recognize you. claim it. since you're an alpha, you shouldn't be worried about the opinions of those sheeps.
I really appreciate your reference to Bruce Lee... I have Mars/Saturn Inconjunct and have always looked up to him as a model.
I have this aspect (MARS in PISCES opposition to SATURN in VIRGO) - North Node also in Virgo. It's true that I never want to make anybody else feel uncomfortable. As a Pisces I am already naturally sensitive towards others but with this opposition. It's also true that in order for me to enjoy a day at the beach, I HAVE TO have exercises and eaten healthy before so that I can be WORTHY of being at the beach with no shirt on. Otherwise I don't feel deserving and uncomfortable.
This totally describes me. Wow! Mars in Virgo in the 11th house opposes Saturn In Pisces the 5th house. Its quite a challenge
oh wow my husband is mars in pisces 5th house and Saturn in virgo in 11th... this video really helps me understand him more. 💕💕💕
I don't think that this aspect means "father wound." I observe people with this aspect are quite conservative with their approach to things of life. Strict people, especially when jupiter is also involved...
I absolutely loved this.
Thank you Jewel, this helped me realise things about myself and helped me make sense of my past. I have mars retrograde in sagittarius loosely opposite saturn (7 degrees) and I can relate to this video, but weirdly I think this energy used to be way stronger in me when I was young, and I don't feel like that as much now. I think having neptune trine saturn helps me a lot with having a more idealistic attitude to authority (and maybe venus loosely conjunct saturn helps too?? not sure if it works that way). Also will you ever do a saturn opposite pluto video? Id love to see it
Great video. My natal mars at 17 degrees in cap in 1st house Trines my natal Saturn in the 5th in Taurus. Very helpful video. Thank you :)
Woohoo Jewel’s back!💃🏽 Please please please when you have time do composite moon square Pluto?
Ooooh yeah!! I hear the love in strong and intense for this aspect.
Virgin Mary Dude it’s crazy 😜 but I still need it explained to me lol
thank you for this jewel. no wonder i always had the affinity for bruce lee. in fact he's one of my role models in high school but not knowing much about him except his sense of self mastery
I have this aspect. Saturn 7th house Aries & Moon 7th house Aries opposite Mars 1st house Libra. It's an interesting aspect - makes me need affection but also run away from it. Also a problem with being competitive in my relationships, needing to have the upper hand..
Saturn in the 7th is bad enough!
@@sonofhibbs4425 LOL thanks for the encouragement 😂 it's not that bad, I actually quite like it. Forcing me to see what I want out of relationships.
do mars opposite pluto next please
Well, I am not lesbian, but I identify myself with Mars, I have so much Mars in my chart, that I can say I AM Mars. I’m and Arie sun, with Mars and Mercury in Aries, and my moon is in Scorpio.
So, you tell me if I identify with it or not, lol. I tend to clash with bosses a lot!! For everything else, you are pinpoint accurate 🙌🏼
excellent video. Please do Pluto conjunct Moon transit? Thank you
My mom and older brothers has this aspect my other older brother has Mars contra parallel Saturn I have Mars semi square Saturn and my little brother Mars semi sextile(Inconjunct)Saturn.
So we're a very steamy family.
True! I have the Conjunction & though I do assume authority, the lessons have been with regard to humility. Having the placement in Pisces, perhaps it has been easier than in another Sign? Never-the-less, it's a fine line & best you don't over step it. You run the risk of becoming a pompous, insufferable ass!! Own it, or it will be put upon you & as with all Saturn Aspects, age & experience help to balance things out immensely ;) Thanks, Jewel =)
jewel, thank you
This aspect puts people in body bags if in aggressive signs.
Yes, it does..
@@chogan2128 why
Wisdom. Thank you!
Amazing video!
Try having this opositión AND working on a cruiseship xD I got fired twice in the same year xC
Hahah I have it too and I always wanted to work on a cruiship lmao and I have been fired once before
Nice and informative.
will the involvement of other planets change things?
I wish UA-cam had 3x speed for videos
Thank God my mars trine to my natal Saturn
Thank you so much
Thank you for helping to set me free
Thank you 🙏 🐉 🔥🧜♀️
Thanks!