Jay Monahan defends decision to suspend PGA Tour players who signed up to the LIV Series ⛳
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PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan has defended his decision to suspend PGA Tour players who signed up to the LIV Series.
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This is complete BS. There is no justification for this kind of reaction on the PGA's part other than they are scared.
Allow me to translate this for you...
"We at the PGA don't like this idea of competition and especially the idea of competition that actually offers value to golfers other than those that are the top 10 because it ruins our monopoly and ripping off the players while we cash in"
You're welcome
Allow me to translate your post for you..."I'm a complete idiot."
@@jwp2166 Your comment was spot on apart from the first 8 words and the inverted commas..
@@jwp2166 I eagerly listened to this interview because I wanted to understand Monahan's position. I honestly can't tell you what his answer was. If I was a PGA tour professional I would not go the LIV if it meant being barred from the tour, but, I still don't understand the reasoning behind the suspensions. Also, I don't understand what he meant by "free riding". If you can enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it! I truly want to understand both sides and I absolutely do not.
@@homer0boy His position is that players happily signed on to the PGA Tour's rules about not playing in competing events of other tours when they started out on the PGA Tour but now want to renege on that. He's got a valid point.
@@homer0boy When they originally signed with the PGA Tour the LIV guys all agreed to the PGA Tour rule that they could play in tournaments on approved tours around the world. LIV is not an approved tour.
The PGA tour categorised itself as a non profit so it could avoid hundreds of millions in tax revenue. That decision is now haunting them since it also means they can't hand out guaranteed money contracts like other professional sports.The LIV tour is doing exactly that so it's not surprising top level golfers want guaranteed money. If someone loses their PGA tour card they're gone with very little support. I don't see how you can treat people as independent contractors and then complain when they go elsewhere.
Yeah the PGA’s argument is pretty week in my opinion. Would be much stronger if they were W2 employees like NFL/MLB/NBA players. But they are contractors so they shouldent have constraints
Two issues, of which the first you covered perfectly. The second is that it's the Saudi Arabians. This brings ethics into play. How about events in China? Or Turkey? The economic aspect is not too hard to figure out. Someone backs up the truck with $100MM or $200MM, can't blame someone for grabbing the dough. Not every golfer cares about "legacy" or "leaving the game in a better place". Curious to know how Jay feels about events in China.
@@cozyslor same as playing for American league . America is no saint they just hind it better .
This is the best Presentation of the whole PGA v LIV GOLF....
Go watch Brandel Chamblee’s take and you’ll reconsider your position.
Jay, thanks for reminding us all why the PGA sucks
And we definitely don't cut up political opponents with handsaws
@@nickyd922 nah you bomb them , drone strike them, spy on them and sanction them. What a superior morality.
Make no mistake here the PGA Tour is the one starting this. Greg went out of his way to make sure none of these events interfere with Majors or Playoffs. Jay is acting like he owns golf and is gonna ruin his tour and the Ryder Cup if he doesn't stop this.
Monahan is a tool.
you are incorrect. The saudies started this to hide their atrocities look up the families of those who died on 911
true. That's what I'm most concerned about, the Ryder Cup
wow~ the response from Jay reeks of arrogance. "we're not going to allow" "they NEED us" "free-ride" ...disappointing to hear this verbiage.
Pathetic response really. Love the pga tour, but really hope this heavy approach backfires on the people responsible. They are threatened by something new which is normal, but the bullshit rationale from this guy is just weak.
100%
The PGA tour does not have a monopoly on the game of golf. Golphers are independent contractors. PGA cannot tell players where and when to play. Monahan’s behavior has been shameful: making threats, bullying, harassing. It really has tarnished the reputation of the PGA tour.
How come LIV made their players sign non competes that forbids them from playing another tours tournament if it falls on the same weekend as a LIV tournament?? Uh oh.... You're argument just fell apart...
Nah, there just trying to protect they're league. Fair enough. Saudis are throwing there money around. Do you think the Saudi's really care about the game? I have my doubts.
Ultimately this is just an example of bad business decisions being taken by the PGA. They realise that they can’t compete financially so they are trying to make this a fight of heart and minds. Last time I checked neither of those pay the bills!! Reminder …these are professional athletes, this is how they survive.
@@lakeozarkrei3767 they only play 8 events not sure the argument fell apart and the money for finishing last without a cut is 100k everybody that can play will play
@@lakeozarkrei3767
Because it's only 8 events. Why would you not play in all 8 Liv events?
The other thing is, Liv players are free to play in other tournaments. Even on other tours.
Lastly, if you pay me $100mil, I'm showing up. I'll guarantee you, I'm showing up.
You seriously telling me, that for $100 million dollars, you wouldn't show up?
You show up every day at work for nowhere near that kind of money.
She-it, they could have gotten me to show up for half that.
They had 2.5 billion of cash and publicly traded securities on hand with $57mm of net income for 2020. They had salaries of $159mm and only made charitable contributions of $31mm. They had 1310 employees making the average salary approximately $140k and Jay Monahan had reportable compensation of $10,078,724. All from a not for profit entity that paid probably $72,000 in tax on unrelated business taxable income. Is this a great country or what!
Lawsuits mean depositions, discovery and subpoenas...
I’d say it’s less about the PGA tour being a good thing and more about the Saudi backers being even worse! I’ve always loved watching golf but hated the tour and the fake charity angle they use to promote giant bloodsucking corporations.
And they charge volunteers to volunteer.
@@beaconterraoneonline LOL that's so messed up in itself 🤣
What an unbelievably pathetic display by the head of what I thought was the most dignified professional game. Why can't PGA share players? The response was a plea to advertisers that LIV Golf ain't nothing and the PGA will continue to retain the best on the business, so keep that obscene level of cash coming our way. This is small, emotional, vindictive and to me, only helps to chase away players and investors.
well said 👏
And FANS too !!!
PGA is acting in its own defense. LIV is an existential challenge & the PGA is well within its rights to use whatever means they have at there disposal to survive this challenge. Player agree to the stipulation when they sign up. Players are free to play wherever they like but can’t expect everyone to have no exclusivity. LIV players seem to want to have their cake & eat it too. That’s not how it works.
@ewwee2k why is that how it works?
The players are free agents and not ‘employees’ of the tour
Unless they were to re stipulate the membership code and conduct rule they (should) have no say regarding players movements…don’t agree with the guys playing this new tour, however freedom of movement should be a thing
@ewwee2k also, PGA tour members regularly play on the European Tour or Asian Tour or Sunshine Tour etc, having been a categoried player on the European tour, I can categorically state that neither tour states that players are expected to offer their exclusivity
This is such a bad look for the PGA Tour, came off as spiteful, trying to monopolize the golf world. Also, the money funding the PGA events are also not that clean, so lets stop the moral arguments.
The moral "arguments" is just propaganda, it's a narrative
Holy crap, this guy is evil! Turning HIS business decisions into heartstring stuff! People must be able to see through this guys BS!
That 9/11 stuff was as low as it gets. It's alright for some to take Saudi money but not everyone. That's what it is, pure hypocrisy no matter what your moral stance is.
@@eddy4688 Press told me for 20 years that 9/11 was Iraq
Now they're suddenly changing the story to Saudi?
Yo, I agree! This dude is so full of S#!% Nothing he says makes any sense.
They surely do now!
The best thing the pga can do right now is just act like the LIV tour doesn't exist, simply ignore any questions about it. Talking about it and bashing it is a bad look.
Baloney! Never let other entities define you. Get in front of it.
Or pay the players more. There is clearly the money there. The masters drew more viewership than the NBA finals the other night. Yet their TV contract is a fraction of the other sports. Seems like this guy sucks at his job
@@DF-we4pt is that so hard for them to understand. Instead they want them to basically compete for their livelihoods day in and day out. Old payment system where they pocket a majority of the money and pay their players Pennies
I agree. Bad publicity is better than no publicity. Just give em the silent treatment.
@@DF-we4pt The Masters plays by their own set of rules. The PGA doesn't control them one bit.
So the PGA would have no problem if LIV golf was back by a different country. I don’t think so. I think it’s convenient for them so they can leverage off the Saudi’s poor human rights. With the PGA having signed a 20 year deal with China in 2018 who has equally bad human rights history makes a mockery of this argument. The PGA is also happy to take Fedex sponsorship money while Fedex have signed a deal to invest 400 million dollars in Saudi Arabia last year. I think the PGA care about human rights when it suits them and are happy to turn a blind eye when it doesn’t.
Saudi Arabia is the second largest supplier of crude oil to the US. I guess Jay is ready to give up everything produced by fossil fuels? Oh yeah, petroleum products are used to make golf balls. OOPS!
Remind me again when the U.S.A fought Saudi Arabia in retaliation for 9-11-01? Such a lame justification to ban tour card carrying pros. Charl Schwartzel just won over $4 million yesterday at inaugural LIV golf tourney. That's about 4x what he would win on any PGA tourney outside of majors. Way to go, Charl. Great business decision.
Charl can't win on the PGA tour. At Candian open at -6 he would be tied 21st. I wish many would look at the Saudi mind set and be discussed at them underwriting LIV. Enuf said.
@@DavidGonzalez-ek3zh Actually I believe he's won twice on the PGA tour. Yeah Charl is crying all the way to the bank.
@@reubenjohnson3865 I know he has. Of course it's a nice payday but there is more than just money going on here. Norman has never cared for the tour. He tried to organize something in the 90's
@@DavidGonzalez-ek3zh I think the final score has a direct link to the course conditions.. I rather see -6 final score than a -18 winning score! Also Charl has a green jacket! Rory can't claim that yet!
And PGA was just in Saudi a few months ago and acting as if they were never part of it.
I'm an Australian. We have many great golfers on the pga tour. Never do we see them play in our country, on our great courses. In fact we never see any great golfers here. The pga monopoly is over and not before time. I look forward to Norman bringing a LIV tournament to Sydney or Melbourne in the future. I love the concept.
Not entirely true. Many greats go play at the Australian Open and Australian Masters. Adam Scott usually plays a few Australian events every year, Rory Mcilroy, Tiger Woods, Ian Poulter and many others played these events.
@@lrn_news9171 I think my point was that other than the presidents cup , never do we get to see a multitude of the world's best playing here. Yes, we have the one offs. We did have Tiger, Rory, Jordan and other big names play the Aussie open. I think what I'm trying to say is we in Australia deserve a fully stacked field to play at Royal Melbourne or the Australian in Sydney . If norman can deliver that it can't be a bad thing?
strongly agree with this. I reckon a sydney Liv tournament would have sold out crowds
@@danfloros4267 hear hear
Exactly. It’s not ‘American golf’, although the PGA clearly thinks it is.
He reiterated again and again that the most important part of the Tour is the players, well, pay them like it then. Money talks, it’s a professional league, not a charity or college athletics.
Why are golfers leaving with no possibility of return?
Because the PGA’s self serving interest is making that choice for them.
You realize how much money they make, right? You think Nicklaus, Palmer, Floyd, et al, made that kind of money? The greed here and even in other sports is just ridiculous (Mahone comes to mind, though no way he was going to turn that down). Don't even get me started on endorsements.
@@Golf05 $0 if you miss the cut on pga tour vs guaranteed $ for competing in LIV.
It shouldn’t be a shock that these independent contractors are jumping ship.
The answer to everybody’s question is money. It is all about the money-
@@Mark-kc3do That's my point. Forget love of the game - show me the money. If they're not good enough to make the cut consistently, then they should take up a different line of work. I would love to make a ton of money for doing work I suck at - doesn't work that way and shouldn't here.
@@Golf05 Last I checked the PGA isn’t handing out tour cards to mediocre golfers.
Justin Thomas missed the cut at the Charles Schwab Challenge a few weeks ago. Does that mean he sucks?
Think about how many people came just to watch JT for that event alone but wasn’t paid for playing.
Golfers making the PGA tour and miss the cut don’t “suck” at their job and should still be paid for helping create the PGA’s product.
JT is fortunate to have enough financial security that it doesn’t matter to him. Most other tour plays can’t say the same.
At the end of the day, it’s all about money and who is willing to pay.
The PGA Tour is trying to dictate where and when players can make a living. That's messed up.
The players are violating rules they once happily agreed to. That's messed up.
@@jwp2166 they’re independent contractors. But wait, is it about Saudi money or violating an unwritten rule? Cause you squares keep moving the goalpost.
@@joelcarlisle1389 The rule is actually written down. In print. You ought to read it sometime and get up to speed on all this.
The PGA is going through the 7 stages of grief: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression Acceptance and hope. ...
This is very well written 🙂☺️ and oh so true!💗
It’s actually 8 stages now in 2022. The 8th is “pay in Rubles “
@@jacobjorgenson9285 oh my god 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hardly.
Well said friend!
Oh boy…Jay…amigo…just when we thought you had reached rock bottom, you begin to dig…if your actions didn’t say it, today you made it clear…you’re acting like one of those spoiled kids who’s never had someone tell them no. Making Phil’s comment that the PGA Tour is a bunch of bullies look pretty accurate…And that over-rehearsed Q&A with Jim Nantz…painful…and then having the announcers at every opportunity talk about the history of the RBC Canadien Open, and the legacy, and the tradition…seemed like you put out a challenge to pay whoever used all those words the most would get a million dollars…seemed very contrived, fake, and overall uncomfortable…even paraded out the RBC Canadian guy and had him spouting the PGA Tour talking points…Thankfully next week is a USGA event so we can get a break from the PGA Tour whiners….
@@djknox2 I agree with your point about the history of the tournament, but it was obvious they are trying to sell the history and traditions that the PGA Tour has formed…came across very rehearsed like there were talking points provided to all the commentators…not disagreeing with the greatness of the tournament, as evidenced by the incredible finish…I do with JT would have got it to a playoff for some more fireworks, but it was great none the less…
When someone like Charl Schwartzl - who hasn't won a thing in 6 years - goes out and plays 54 holes pulling down about $4M or so... with 7 events to go, getting a minimum of $125K MORE per EVENT... that's going to get a lot of PGA tour players' attention. There is more attrition coming. Guaranteed.
And the 750k Schwarzel won from the team event.
Schwartzel played well though, the defectors will find out that winning one of these events is not so easy
Golf course setup was a big factor. It was not the usual PGA Tour cookie cutter setup
That was a slow motion train wreck... Jay (with an able assist from Jim)just ensured more players will jump to LIV asap after seeing that. I had no dog in the fight before watching that interview but now....
PGA just threw anyone they consider "older" under the bus by promoting all the "young" talent.
Jim didn't do anything, Jay came in to defend the Tour. It backfired.
It's interesting how the PGA Tour is reacting to LIV when this is exactly how the PGA Tour came to be in the first place. A group of pros threatened to break off the PGA of America in a dispute over prize money and in compromise the PGA Tour was born.
Bingo you nailed it, the optics of the PGA Tour response to LIV is not good.
Would love to know more about this story.
An excellent point. clearly a whole lot of immature butt-hurt, myopia and childlike reaction on the Tour.
They are on a course to approaching like what the MLB is now to the NBA
And those three players that led the charge up the PGA hill just happened to be Arnold Palmer, Gary Player and Jack Nicklaus.
@@dannoreyes1123 google can help with that
I was not really on either side prior to seeing this but I gotta be honest, this makes me side more with those whom chose to play on the LIV tour. Not a good look for the PGA in my opinion.
I felt the same mate... really bad energy. But, lets see whats he has to say after 10 more players accept playing on Liv tournaments... cause money speaks louder
@@oche9827 money and freedom, not only do they get paid more but they’ll be able to spend more time with their family, and build their brand.
this guy makes pga look so bad.
@@timw8646 Well, then enjoy watching the same 48 has-beens play meaningless exhibitions.
This guy doesn’t own golf. The PGA Tour doesn’t own the major tournaments. The United States government trades freely with the Saudis. The United States is not alone. Why would golfers doing business with the Saudis be bad, but their government doing business with the Saudis be allowable?
It's about religion. Most of the US is controlled by The Tiny Hats now.
“Saudi backed” Biden begging for oil while these democrat fools are in their most hypocritical form
It's a narrative being promoted by the media (and the PGA) to 'shame' the players that moved into LIV and 'scare' the players who are considering the move. In today's cancel culture, shaming these players is an excellent way to dissuade those on the fence as well as those up and coming players who are eyeing the PGA tour but now can consider LIV as an alternative.
It's a shame that the PGA has acted this way - they talk about the greed of the players, but they are guilty of this as well.
IMO, Monahan handled the whole thing poorly - although i say this with the benefit of hindsight of course. It really was a tough call.
Maybe you will understand it better this way. The PGA is more than the Men's tour. It is the developmental tours( Korn Ferry), The seniors tour and the LPGA. They nurture the player once he declares he is going to be a pro. It basically creates a minor league for the up and coming player. Once he is good enough to make it to the Tour he is given the opportunity to make a lot of money. They are introduced to corporate America at the highest level. People pay them to "advertise" for them. When they are no longer viable as a player they have a tour where they can make money after the age of fifty. They get the venues, the sponsors, the TV contracts and they have been doing it for many years(at least 50). They also contribute to charity and that is why they are a non profit which doesn't allow them to pay them salaries or expenses.
What is the Liv going to do? Are they helping the young golfer or the old golfer. Do they contribute to charity? They are just leeches stealing Tour players. They add nothing to the game. They just STEAL. They are just trying to sportwash their name but the Saudi's are barbaric.
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@@Gnofg so why suspend the players joining LIV?
If they play the minimum 15 events as required by the PGA, why suspend them for choosing to play where the money is better?
If the PGA is all altruistic as you so claim, then shouldn't they allow these players to make money outside - then go back inside to promote the PGA Tour which in turn can help do the charity work, support the lesser tours, etc?
Horrendous and desperate comments bringing sept 11th into it (thru the NYP back door).How can the Liv golf players have any blood on their hands? Doesnt that mean the euro tour does too, plus the lpga?
Plus everyone that played in the FedEx Cup
Awful toxic interview with very pointed questions and issues raised. The PGA has shown the absolute worst side of itself. It actually makes me sad. This interview confirms that the PGA tour thinks it is golf. It is not. And the networks that have paid them rights to show their feeds have to appreciate the shock that they’re about to undergo. I wasn’t for LIV when it started but this week has convinced me that Greg Norman was right. The game needs a huge shake up. Because if left to the PGA tour , it would be completely taken away from the public who enjoy the game but don’t want to spent huge sums to follow it.
Yea I find it very despicable for Monahan & the media for bring up 9/11. 9/11 has nothing to do with golf. The PGA Tour has sponsors that do business with the Saudis. Okay for the sponsors but not for the players, hypocritical to say the least
Monahan’s non-answer to “Why can’t the player’s do both?” was idiotic. There’s serious competition on the LIV tour and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
No competition just a glorified exhibition it's embarrassingly bad no matter how their players or fans badge it up. Looked a rushed out product that will flop imo
Ya he dodge that one..Nance being a good boy didn't follow up on it....
@@vacuumboots69 You still haven’t learned huh, there’s no flopping when it comes to oil money. It’s unlimited lol PGA is just gonna lose if they keep it up. All this money is play money for them lol
@@gruevlock24 what I don't get is why you LIV fan boys want the end of a tradition in the PGA tour. Brought so many good moments. Continues to evolve. That is if you aren't a bot or on the payroll at all :)
The PGA is in panic mode. The more players that leave for the LIV tour the more it will force the PGA tour will change. They can play the players more money and have many more different types of formats for golf tournaments. People do not want a monopoly on golf. The PGA tour wants all of those players to come crawling back with their tail
Between their legs. That won’t happen. The PGA will be forced to change.
If and when Rory, DJ, Rahm, and Tiger leave then they're in panic mode. For now they're happy to watch the LIV guys look greedy, foolish, and flush their legacies down the drain.
Equating golf to 9/11 is an insult the those who lost their lives
He’s not… he’s saying that’s supporting Saudi Arabia via joining the liv is a slap in the face to 9/11 victims.
@@HOCKEYJUST Lol ridiculous
The commissioner is incoherent in his responses. He really couldn’t answer why they can’t do both. Also they only have to play pga 15 tour events to fulfill there obligation. He called the LIV tour an exhibition series… why is he afraid of that? He in my opinion handled this poorly, his took his ball and went home. Respectfully.
The PGA is gonna have a real problem soon if 3 or more guys out of the top 50 in the world join LIV. A serious problem
That's exactly what he did. Also uninvited people from his birthday
“Cause I said so”
he didn't expect Jim to ask REAL questions lol
If he watched LIV golf he would have realized right away that it was not an exhibition
Something like the QBE shootout or the father-son tournament or the Par-3 contest is an exhibition
I watched the LIV London tournament, if the PGA refuses to adapt to what LIV is doing, the PGA is going to lose more and more players. The PGA will become nothing but a farm system for LIV.
And the game of golf becomes totally *reliant* on oil-money from an immoral Middle Eastern regime. All wrapped up in a business that is financially unsustainable. Yeah, terrific.
Fans of LIV are being very short-sighted and ignorant about how the game of golf works.
What they are doing? I wouldn't want that sort of event on pga tour. It was an exhibition at best. Felt rushed and the format for me was a bit boring. Just my opinion.
What did you see that was different? It was the same golfers playing the same game. People seem to like the broadcasting, but I couldn’t tell the difference except for some flashy/cheesy graphics. The major difference was the lack of young and up and coming stars at or before their prime.
Tour makes over 1 billion annually, and has non-profit status so they don't have to pay taxes....would be really interesting to see a break down of where all that money goes. Charities don't get as much as you think from the tour. The local organizations at each event raise a lot of it, but the tour makes sure it gets it's "PGA Tour" name associated with it.
precisely!! Where is all the money really going because there is lots of it and the players only earn a very tiny slice of it
show us the receipts
Hypocrites, they are panicking because of some competition and now they are desperate to hold on to ground they believe they own when it's the players who actually own it. What should happen is to put a spotlight on the financial situation of the PGA
This is a question that I think needs to be answered before anything else despite my position that is opposed to the whole Liv concept. Not so much the money behind it but the half cocked misdirected way it’s being presented and structured. Norman, who has his hands in like 100 different projects and endeavors would be the last guy on earth I’d put in charge of such a league and situation.
@@Ghostshadows306 rory could be the face of liv. I mean he talks out of his ass
The PGA tour diluted the tour with too many non-events on crappy courses and no off-season.
They definitely need an off season.
Tell that to all of the charities, tournaments, corporate sponsors and fans who attend and support those events- azzhat
Yeah and their player impact program that Tiger Woods wins every year even if he hasn't played well or at all.
@@adrianalley700 lol that's the one thing you're going to point out? cry me a river baby boi
Gee, I wonder why they did that? A full calendar. I also think the LPGA might suffer because of the PGA's flooding of the US TV market with the Senior and KF tours. The Shoprite LPGA tourney final round had very low attendance...
Lots of top players left the European tour to join the PGA tour because they got more money, it's no different to LIV golf now.
completely different
Its about the owners of the liv golf though
@@paulmallon8823 money talks
Of course it does and nobody has a problem with players moving for CLEAN money, not the blood money the saudi's are offering
@@paulmallon8823 wouldn’t call the pga clean money, could maybe argue cleaner, but deffo not clean.
Not sure this had the effect that Jay hoped it would have. Jay clearly set this up and knew the questions coming. And he still couldn’t make their decision to ban players look good. PGA is gonna have to make concessions or this is gonna only get worse for them
I agree. I think his scared of competition. If he is, his not right person to LEAD PGA in future
Yes, it’s objectively a very bad look for the PGA. The first sign of competition and they start trying to strongarm the players into staying. If they want to retain their players, the PGA should be rewarding those who stay instead of punishing those who leave. The strongarm approach is never going to work when players have a vastly better offer by signing with LIV golf and they can still play in the major championships.
If the World Golf rankings start awarding points to LIV players then it’s game over for the PGA. They’ll be forced to change but by then it’ll likely be far too late.
In actually, the players banned themselves by violating rules they once happily embraced.
Yes, You got that right 🤣⛳
No player needs the PGA nor do they "need" PGA points. All they need is to earn money from playing golf and as long as there is an option to do that the PGA is terrified.
Yes, that has to be the most absurd comment ever. None of these players "need" the PGA. This guy here is a joke. He makes me not want to watch the PGA at all.
Players don't play every week.
So if he's worried about players playing elsewhere, why aren't they required to play ever week in the PGA
Exactly! His answer was a non answer.
Monahan and the PGA's over-reaction only validated the LIV tour.
According to Forbes: "It costs a minimum of $110,000 to compete for a year on the PGA Tour-$75,000 on the Nationwide Tour-and there are no guaranteed paydays. "
This was in 2012 dollars. A decade later, those costs are likely 30% higher, minimum.
There's over 1700 players with enough points to be listed on the World Golf Rankings, but only 150 of those men have their PGA Tour cards. Even on the PGA tour, not all the bottom 100 guys on the money list make enough to cover expenses.
It's not surprising that they look at all the revenues rolling into the PGA Tour, $1 billion+ annually, and wonder where that money is going and if the gap between pros needs to be so vast as to where pros have to borrow money just to get to the next event.
Wow!! 110k and no guarantee money returns. Whoa!!!!
The fact that they do not cover travel and accommodation for their players is disgusting.
In 2021, 124 players made $1.0MM+. Top 125 keep their full time status card (minus one).
That’s how professional golf has been administered since…well… the beginning of professional golf. If you miss the cut you go home without a check. (LIV is now an exception to this statement bc they have no cut.)
While I agree that players should receive expense stipends to cover their expenses, I don’t agree with your attempt to paint the PGA tour as evil when every golf tour everywhere for all time has followed this same formula.
@@cozyslor ??? Yeah, everyone knows that. It's the *OTHER* pros we're talking about. The money falls dramatically from 150 and drops off a cliff after 200 in the rankings.
And guys end up paying 30-50% of their winnings in expenses and taxes.
The PGA Tour is making a big mistake. It’s ok if the PGA Tour makes $$ from the Saudi’s, but when they don’t? …. Hypocrisy.
Still don’t see the issue with them playing both…
seems the PGA just doesn’t like the new guy in town.
They r scared they are going to have to start paying more money to compete. They've probably been paying the bare minimum and loving it. No more! 😂
We’ll never know.. but I do wonder where this would be had LIV not said they were coming after the PGA Tour. Had they kept that to themselves, and just announced the events with the contracts, things could be very different. I love the competition LIV will give as it will serve to make the PGA better, ultimately giving us a better product.
I suggest the top people at the PGA Tour read into the history of the PGA Tour , preferably around the 60's when a break away group of players were dissatisfied with the payments etc. coming from above and formed their own group.
This is not a new issue to golf and if they want to get into the 21st century then they need to pay more to the pro's or maybe set up a minimum salary like NFL, NBA, MLS, MLB, NHL
I read from somewhere the NFL gives about 55% of it's revenue to the players while PGA gives only 22%.
@@pisanu6699 I believe as part of the players collective bargaining agreement that it is linked to the revenue . Therefore if the NFL earns more then they pay more to the players , which makes perfect sense to me!!
"playing against the same players every week"....that's exactly what players do on the PGA Tour....Jay's talked himself into a tight corner here...in terms of the Saudi money, well, don't take an Uber if you're against Saudi money
Correct. I would like to know how many sponsors of the PGA do business in Saudi Arabia.
I think the last place finisher in LIV tournament made $125k this weekend. Light schedule, huge guaranteed contracts. Monahan is clearly in panic mode.
but who wants to watch that, when you can watch sport like we saw yesterday in Canada?
@@tobybarker6808 what happened in Canada? Raptors were the last exciting sporting event to happen in canuckland.... Before that it was way back with Joe's walkoff for Bluejays.
I took from this exclusivity and power imbalance. 'Why they need us so badly?' - It's the only thing they have had up until now. 'We won't allow them.' That's why some have left. The more competitions that are available to a wider pool of players the better it is for the game. More exposure for players who don't make the cut who are then able to freely compete elsewhere along with the players that do make the cut. Fans of the sport also benefit with a wider choice of events.
And, doesn't competition bring the best to the top? Why is Monahan afraid of a little competition?
This is a classic softball interview. Nantz tees them up for this guy, and listening to him, I understand completely what Mickelson said about him. The “free-riding” argument isn’t going to be the one they raise in court, that’s for sure, or they will certainly lose. They have to focus on a player agreement to a mandatory release system that worked to give the tour the power to control outside play and thereby assure sponsors a good field at future dates. The problem is even that argument is subject to attack if LIV has only a limited number of events and its players can easily fulfill the tour’s 15 event requirement.
What did Mickelson say about nantz?
He has to ,he has a house in Pebble Beach has to pay for..
I agree Jim Nantz should be ashamed
well written!! spot on
PGA is right he has look after all players
LIV Golf’s viewership already makes the PGA look weak and beggarly.
@Zack Rubley - can you please let me know what the total viewing figures for both the liv event and the Canadian Open were please.
Totals would include UA-cam, website and TV viewing, thanks.
Jay is just repeating the party line. I can tell by looking at his face he knows the writing is on the wall and the PGA is in trouble. The LIV Tour is going to crush the PGA Tour long term if the PGA doesn't change some things.
The LIV Tour is going to crush the PGA Tour long term?? hahahahahahahahaha.... Look I don't agree w/ the way Jay M is going about things, but this rouge league will be out of business in a couple years. How are they going to survive w/ out TV money? How do they survive w/out sponsors? They have no cash flow. It comes directly out of the pockets of the Saudi's. At some point they are going to get tired of paying out of pocket year after year. I have seen this act before and it never lasts.
@@washredskin887 The TV deals will come and that $5+ per gallon of gas is going to keep them well funded for a while. On top of that, from what I have read from people that went to the first tournament in London, they loved it and said it was nicer and run better than PGA events they had attended. If true, that right there will be a huge draw and thus more cash flow.
@@LTZ_Z71 I have seen this before. Not sure if you are old enough but the USFL in the 80's signed numerous big time players ... Jim Kelly, Steve Young, Reggie White, Hershall Walker, Gary Clark..they had ballers.. it doesn't work against an established brand. They won't get enough TV money or sponsors to sustain it and the Saudi's will pull the plug on their latest hobby at some point. It doesn't have the drama, the history or the brand. They have one guy in Bryson who is a star. The best players still play on the PGA Tour. They play on the best courses.
I hope the PGA tour gets sued by these players and lose their asses.
ALL PRO SPORT is all about money, DJ signed for $124 mil Tiger earned $121 in his whole career. PGA tour must compete with LIV Golf or lose players.
I have a feeling you will see Tiger on the LIV. I mean why would he go to the Champions when he reaches 50 when he could make that amount that DJ just did and more.
If true competition is the goal, what is wrong with competition for the PGA. This is a very weak position Monahan. How is it not good?
I think this sets up a competitive nature that has been missing all along.
I am an independent contractor myself and I can go anywhere at any time and work for the competition without backlash. I would jump ship too if I wasn't good enough to win with the PGA. Getting paid even when you are the last place golfer is intriguing.
FWIW, I'm also an independent, but I still signed a non-compete with the company I'm currently with. I thought about not signing, but then they wouldn't hire me and I wanted this job. So I signed...they pay me well. I suppose that I'm not as independent as I was, but I can still go out and work for other companies, but there are conditions. Seems like my situation has got alot of parallels to the LIV golfers.
I saw the interview live. When he brought 9/11 into the convo I thought I was watching an episode of Family Guy or something. They're being so defensive it’s obvious they’re worried.
' They're ' not worried.
He is so political and full of anger. If he really wants to help the game, by using his position, he'd welcome the competition by improving the PGA tour. Right now, the elite golfers are making tons of money while many others are struggling who are trying so hard and play so good. Why not increase the perks to Korn Ferry tour as a start?
124 players earned $1.0MM+ (gross) last year
Same happened in cricket first with world series which created the 50 over one day format then the IPL with 2020. The free market will decide and these dinosaurs of organisations will cease to exist. All the PGA have left is nostalgia.
And Test Cricket is still not dead
Mc Ilroy just won the RBC Heritage in Canada and won ar 1.6 million $.
Schwartzel made 4 million $ and had sunday off. Uhlein and Grace each got 1,5 m for third place. PGA will have difficulty keeping golf pro’s with that kind of cash flying around.
I forgot the RBC Canadian was even on 🤷♂️
It's all about protecting PGA money and nothing else. Charl earned in 3 days what took him 4 years on the PGA. Golfers play for money.
Money is how they keep score (both players and PGA). If it was just about trophies then the big earners would agree to spread the money more evenly amongst participants so as to even the playing field. The top golfers taking private planes is not equivalent to a player with limited status driving to the next event. It's true here like most places; Just follow the money.
@@cozyslor Exactly
The PGA has lost this round. The attempted damage to player reputations for the pursuit of free agency must be alarming to tour players that have been thinking about LIV. Petty and trending to worse.
He's said more words with zero meaning than any man to ever live in just seven minutes. Congrats!
Exactly .. the filibustering was amazing
Typical of a lawyer. That’s all this man is. A highly paid lawyer.
Pretty sure biden has the monopoly on that one. However, Monahan served himself up a big shitburger with his comments and actions. Theyre gonna get killed when the anti-trust lawsuits are filed.
He is trying to choose his words wisely because he doesn't want to say the wrong thing... It is a technique to appease the players...
Monahan comes off as untrustworthy when he cannot answer Nance’s straight-forward questions.
SHADY AND SHIFTY
@None Yabusiness yeup, idk what these people are seeing
@None Yabusiness of course Nance is, yet Monahan still could not have a coherent response despite their pre-planning.
Since 2019, the country has hosted the Saudi International, an event formerly sanctioned by the European Tour that has drawn some of the top names in golf, who are paid considerable appearance fees.
The PGA management have got too much power. Stopping the LIV players playing PGA events is a restriction of trade. The PGA have done little to grow the game.
These arguments are bogus! Outside of America the world dont see these top players ever play because of the PGA.
More players will be leaving.
Mark my words.
Calling it now, DP Tour silence makes me think that they can see them aligning themselves with LIV. It’s actually a massive opportunity to make the DP/LIV tour more lucrative than the PGA. Win win for fans, DP and Liv Can spread the schedule around USA, Europe, Asia and Australia. Will DP have the balls to take it forward, can’t see why not as it’s already basically a Middle East backed and funded entity.
💯 agree, up to now DP suffers depleted fields because ot the pga, imagine if they can, as you say, align themselves with Liv and get the names playing liv/dp sanctioned events....watch Jay squirm then
Spot on. Massive this for the DP tour sure they won't say no to the likes of DJ Phil and Bryson and why not they've been hemorrhaging players to the PGA for years.
Jay Monahan was terrible in the interview with Jim Nantz. He had all week to rehearse and came off looking and sounding anything other than a leader and commissioner of the PGA Tour. This is the guy who's going to lead the Tour against the LIV in the next few months or years? He was awful.
The U.S. Open is going to be really interesting for much more beyond golf this week. For staters, you're going to have operatives from the PGA Tour watching their current members every move, while there will be the same from LIV Golf actively recruiting talent - including the players who have already defected telling those that haven't jumped ship how great their experience in London was. The golf will likely become secondary to the politics, but the net result is I expect there to be a number of current PGA Tour players that will sign on the dotted line with LIV Golf ahead of the Portland event following the U.S. Open. Depending on who the next wave of golfers leaving is, it very well could lead to the collapse of the PGA Tour as we know it.
never happen dude! Liv will never last!
There's going to be more guys jump ship. No doubt about that.
But what's really going to hurt the PGA tour is the losing future talent. A lot of up and comers are going to take the stress Free money.
@@thomasstickle8023 It may not, but they're already a disruptor and are in it for the next four years. The PGA Tour isn't going to last in its present form either and perhaps what rises up from the ashes of both is something along the lines of the Premiere Golf League or PGL, in which the players have ownership.
@@hammertyme8392 The LIV tour isnt a young players option. If you play there, you get banned from the PGA Tour... If you dont perform on the LIV Tour ( like any other corporation) youll get thrown out like yesterdays trash....slippery slope for an up and coming player
Agree...what most people forget, is that the PGA tour is very expensive for a majority outside of the big names. Expenses (travel, lodging, etc), is all out of pocket. LIV took that headache away, by providing all expenses for their tournaments and a minimum payout for last place at their tournaments that equal mid-level payouts on the PGA. LIV is acting more like a corporation and treating the golfers as employees. I think a lot of younger golfers will think long and hard on trying it out.
Holy cow. Blaming 9/11 on professional golfers? Laughable. What a shameful PR hit. The PGA should fire this guy. I hope more players leave. This guy clearly doesn’t have the best interest of golf or the Tour golfers. He only cares about preserving his power. Why not try competing and, you know, pay your golfers more? Unbelievable. These guys are independent contractors. This stance is ridiculous, don’t know what Nantz was thinking, what a shill.
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. He's obviously not blaming 9/11 on golfers, have a word with yourself.
@@KC-td8um and what country were the other 4 from? I Want to be sure to irrationally malign anyone associated with those countries too. Maybe have a convo with Logic before you falsely associate more people.
Maybe you will understand it better this way. The PGA is more than the Men's tour. It is the developmental tours( Korn Ferry), The seniors tour and the LPGA. They nurture the player once he declares he is going to be a pro. It basically creates a minor league for the up and coming player. Once he is good enough to make it to the Tour he is given the opportunity to make a lot of money. They are introduced to corporate America at the highest level. People pay them to "advertise" for them. When they are no longer viable as a player they have a tour where they can make money after the age of fifty. They get the venues, the sponsors, the TV contracts and they have been doing it for many years(at least 50). They also contribute to charity and that is why they are a non profit which doesn't allow them to pay them salaries or expenses.
What is the Liv going to do? Are they helping the young golfer or the old golfer. Do they contribute to charity? They are just leeches stealing Tour players. They add nothing to the game. They just STEAL. They are just trying to sportwash their name but the Saudi's are barbaric.
@@Gnofg it’s golf man. Y’all have lost your mind doing mental backflips to try and conflate many different issues. This is free market as it gets. The way it should be. And the golfers on the KF tour eat dog food for a living. Try and find a better example
@@DF-we4pt So does minor league baseball players. It is that way in all minor leagues.
I hope more player go to LiV.
PGA Tour treats its members as independent contractors and now suspended them for playing somewhere else. Lol, this is ridiculous 🤣
Monohan is scared. More good players will leave for the $$ and not look back.
He answers to the questions were weak and petty.
LIV will not last, atleast not the way its setup now with how much money they are throwing for as Jay said, poor competition
I wouldn’t mind but there’s only 8 events and the last one is just a team event and the PGA have 47 events through the year , what’s the big fuss ??
Simply put, this year are 8 next year is 10. This is an inaugural concept with endless amounts of money, which can either bust or grow. I believe the latter will be, and is the concern. All these money grabbing ex tour members, with many more to follow, can you see the real possibility of the pga concerns. All organizations can improve in an attempt to make all members content, as with that there's policies established for uniformity within.
@@uspatriot9599 And 14 events in year 3.
It will grow.
What the PGA commissioner is Worried about is 2/3 or better going to LIV then there is no PGA Tour!!
These Golfers wanna play Less Golf and Make more Money than they are currently!! More Time with their families playing less Golf.
They Offered Tiger Woods
1 billion to join LIV and he said no thanks!! If Tiger wasn't Worried his EX wife would get $250 million for child support then He would have said Yes!!
I'm excited to see what the LIV Tour becomes.
PGA Tour isn't the only show in town.
It’s shitty golfers golfing with no pressure
It won’t become much, it’s a farmers league with loads of cash.
Using 9/11 as a stick to beat the golfers , wow that is low
This should go in the "aged poorly" hall of fame.
I agree with everything except he contradicts himself with the competition part. If they don’t have the opportunity to compete in the PGA tour that in itself isn’t true top
Competition
He asks why.... to make more money and have more control over their own career. Golfers are independent contractors not their employees
DJ, Reed and DeChambeau is a drop in the bucket for the major pros who will defect and play for LIV Golf.
People don’t really understand why the players can’t play on both.
Well let me answer that by saying we are very established and have a bigger field and please keep watching us. You NEED us.
Umm … okay. Thanks for answering, I guess.
Could this be a huge mistake to suspend the players? Is it unfair to burden the players with political references? Does this bring even more scrutiny to the PGA Tour? It would be wise for the majors to remain impartial.
lolol a burden the players....ohhh poor players, so much blood money. It was their decision to be greedy
I think Mr Commissioner is grasping at straws, and makes a ridiculous reference to 911
@@MrFurley2u I agree - U.S. goods and services trade with Saudi Arabia totaled an estimated $38.7 billion in 2019. Exports were $23.9 billion; imports were $14.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Saudi Arabia was $9.0 billion in 2019. And they are judging professional golfers, insane!!
The majors can decide their own criteria for deciding their fields..the Tour have no control over them, and it is the majors that have real heritage, the Crown Jewels of the game long long before the Tour ever existed
Well put.
Jay Monahan: "Have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?"
PGA Tour members today: "Now we do."
He's pinning a lot of his argument on "That Tour won't count in world Rankings, so you won't be able to play majors".... Uhhh, it feels like, any minute now, the World Ranking people will figure out an algorithm for how to score LIV events.....
And, as another commenter already said.... Here's a great tournament, great scene, Canadian Open, frickin 2 years later, Canadians finally decide it might be "safe" to have a golf tournament.... Crowd is going wild, loving it... Rory, JT, Tony Finau, dueling.... Literally EVERYTHING you would want... CBS Sports Producers are in the trailer, loving this action... And here's Mr. Suit talkiing about "It's a sad day for golf".... Dude, seriously???? omg... facepalm.... Thanks a lot Captain Buzzkill.... Wow...
Seriously, what a colossal blunder. PR disasterpiece. If you want to "defend your decision" to suspend players, call a presser for a Tuesday Morning, and say your piece.... Getting on your soapbox, on Sunday afternoon, during a compelling final round at a great electric venue.... with great players, Major Champions, dueling for the title, mind you... Not just Major champions, but POPULAR Champions... those guys MOVE THE NEEDLE, okay, even casual fans know who they are.... His little speech there probably is a fireable offense, quite honestly... Wrong place & wrong time for your little speech, dude ranger.... Yikes.
Tiger woods has a Tournament with 20 players at the end of the Year and that has OWGR... Im sure LIV will get rankings
Move the needle??? U mean fatten up their wallets!!! They just ruined their careers!!!
I think he's behaving like a child who isn't getting his way
The PGA Tour really need to get ahead on this one, and they're miles behind the issue. The best thing it can do is accept LIV Golf, encourage others to join, and integrate them in partnership.
We've seen how the IPL was initially received by cricket puritans, but it's the predominant sport now, and the other formats work around them. The PGA need to just suck it up, accept it, and move on.
Indeed. LIV is only going to get bigger, I think the people that say it won't be around in 4/5 years are completely wrong. There will have to be a compromise down the line which basically lets players play wherever they want or PGA Tour will be a dead duck.
Difference is IPL doesn't encroach on county and country schedules. Liv is 4.months of the season. Players can't get 100m in fees to do that then still wanna play PGA around that block. It's not fair on those who werent lured with blood money
Not sure what makes you think The US don’t have blood on their hands throughout history and at the present time ?
If I'm the PR team for the PGA tour, my first course of action would be for Monahan to not take any interviews or say anything in public. Because the more he talks, the worse the PGA tour looks. He should just shup up.
Jim Nance: “Why can’t they play in both events?”
Jay Monahan: “I’m gonna answer that question with a question” (doesn’t come close to answering the question)
That tells you all you need to know about the PGAs position.
Exactly. The real reason is cause PGA is greedy and wants to be the only game in town.
last thing they want are the golfers to have options......
they allowed all the players to play the saudi event giving them waivers... .......now that there is competition gotta shut that down.
Think its interesting that the PGA Tour have reacted almost immediately but yet the DP World Tour hasnt.
Just as Phil said.This dude is a pure a hole.Control freak.
@@nathandufc3785 If the European tour is smart they will side with LIV.Pga looks down on European tour.
Jay couldn’t even answer the main question regarding why they can’t play at LIV. He answers a question with a question. Plus, he seems standoffish with Jim. Crazy!
he is upset...Im sure he loves Jim
Wee little Monahan’s boosted ego is laughable. LIV players no longer have to play under Monahan and they get boat loads of cash to do so. That’s a win win.
This is a pathetic take. Monaghan said it right. You have true pure competition verses exhibition matches. Seems to me the angst against the PGA Tour is more a sign of today’s culture more than anything else.
Mark McClean ok Mark McClean 😂 😭
@@markushayes oooh good one.
This aged well.
They don't need you that's why they're playing in a different Tour. The reality is you need them and will find that out in the long run. PGA Tour did the same thing to the other European and Asian Tours, however, you're now crying foul.
This begins the self inflicted demise of the PGA Tour as we knew it….
You're joking of course!?
I've watched all the Liv launch and I must say,it was as exiting as a major event,and it's only going to get bigger and better.
A man seeing his empire with a huge crack....knowing this could bring the house down.
When the commissioner answers a question with a question, doesn't that sound like a politician?
Who else is here after the merger ?
The only winners here will be the lawyers, sue and counter sue.
Untrue, the big winners are the additional players making a fortune who otherwise would not have. Look up the LIV winnings....at least 2x to 5x the PGA per player.
Monahan , like other Commissioners, work for the owners ( ATT &T, FedEx, WM, Honda, Genesis, MasterCard, etc.)
Sure does, funny thing is the Saudis have over $100 million invested in FedEx so in return Monahan is working for the Saudis
I am from Northern Ireland, but I currently live in Canada, so seeing Rory McIlroy winning this past weekend was enjoyable. However, what I fail to understand was his hypocritical remarks about Greg Norman and the golfers who have signed up to play for Liv Golf. Rory the only reason why you are in the USA in the first place is for the money, the only reason you go to Dubai is for the money and do not get me started on the Fedex cup. Outside of the majors played in the USA there should be no reason for European players to play in the USA, if you are really in it to grow the game then keep playing in Europe, and not go for the cash grab on the PGA tour.
The money paid in all major sports is obscene and golf is no different, the people who came in 21st place at this week Canadian Open earned more than I do for the whole year.
I would love to see Tiger sign up for LIV golf and then see the back tracking that Jay and the PGA tour would have to do.
What a bunch of Hypocrites.
I agree with what many have posted here and on other sites. By taking a rigid stand against LIV, the PGA has made the situation worse. The players would have come back to the PGA as soon as they realized that winning on the LIV tour won't mean a thing if the players aren't competing against the best in the world. If the Majors allows them to play without penalty, the PGA will take a big hit.
That is a big if.