英会話 / 日本語 1:27 LingQ: bit.ly/2SykDD0 My Blog: blog.thelinguis... My Facebook Page: / lingosteve My Twitter: / lingosteve In this video, I talk about eikaiwas in Japanese. Enjoy.
いつも動画を拝見して刺激を受けています。ありがとうございます。スティーブさんのエナジーはすごいと思います！英語は自分にとってまだまだ難しいですが、今後も真剣に英語を勉強していきたいと思っています。 .Your activities always inspire me to make more efforts. Thank you, Mr.steve. I like your energies very much!!! English is so difficult for me, but I want to continue learning English seriously.
Since we're on the topic of Japanese, today I was asked to administer an English test to a Japanese student that doesn't come to school (I'm an ALT in Japan). She did remarkably better than any of the students who come to school. It affirmed by beliefs that language is largely a solitary activity (though I do think good progress can be made in groups if done correctly).
The phrases, the words between sentences, varying endings and so on that you used in this video sound almost natural, amazing. I could perceive you’d learned those real expressions from some reading or listening, which you emphasized on here as ways of inputs. Besides, I’m afraid if it would offend you a little but I thought people who are aged like you can’t learn foreign language easily, I know it’s not been easy even for you actually, but you’ve made it at least to the sufficient level from one of Japanese native speaker’s view. Thank you for inspiring and motivating me. I’ll keep up the good work with my English too.
Having worked in an Eikaiwa for 2 years, here are my thoughts. There is too much time wasted drilling vocab and grammar, similar to high schools in the USA. That's something you can do at home, and it should primarily be about conversation (like the name suggests). The problem is that most parents will not do any English with their kids, except for that one time a week, therefore we have to drill vocab. The 2nd problem is that most high school kids are also not going to study the vocab at home, because of too much homework and because they are kids. People should be taught about things like Memrise, LingQ, FluentU, etc., so that they can use these resources to learn vocab efficiently, in a fun manner, etc. The emphasis should be on learning vocab and conversations that are actually interesting and relevant to students, and zero writing. Then classroom time should be conversation only, something you can't imitate at home. Having said all of this though, what most students get out of Eikaiwa is proper pronunciation and to not fear foreigners, which it does do well. It is also better than nothing. ALTs that I know working at high schools, told me that they spent a whole week on "What color do you like? I like..." That is one lesson in an Eikaiwa. While Eikaiwa kids won't have amazing English, they will definitely be ahead of their classmates in normal school lol. There is also a bigger problem in Japan with the amount of homework and class time and club time. My students spent 8 hours every Saturday with their club, be it band or soccer or whatever. That means Sunday was their only true day off. It also means you can't do more than one club. When I was a kid, I did 3-4 clubs. I also had a lot of spare time, which of course at times I abused and lots of kids did bad stuff during this time. However, I spent time learning bass guitar, learning C++, and drawing. I got to explore a wide range of things and learn on my own, not what a school or family member told me to learn. The US school system is also rubbish, but a middle ground is what we need. Foreign language studies is the 2nd biggest failure of the US, Canadian, and Japanese school systems. They took a cookie cutter that applied to math and science and then used it on language.
@@lucascdg7079 I don't really get what you're asking but usually people either use romaji keyboard or flick keyboard and type hiragana and then convert hiragana into katakana or kanji or don't covert and use hiragana as it is.
Steve your Japanese is simply amazing and fluent currently i'm learning Japanese( my 3rd language) and with this language there is so much ground to cover that sometimes i get lost. I've realized that a tactile approach by writing Kanji and Kana has helped me learn faster but sometimes i don't feel like it. What are some things you did in the early stages that helped you progress quickly through the beginner phase? Also, Keep the content coming, i always tell people "Luca, Olly, Richard, Susanna, Moses etc are amazing polyglots but never sleep on Steve as he is the Godfather of language learning".
I might be able to chime in - I am learning Japanese as well and while I don't care for writing, I do read as much as I possibly can. That helps me being able to recognize the kanji. Steve has a video that talks about how he learned Japanese. Also, if you're interested I made a couple of videos too: ua-cam.com/video/OouBMqdE8_s/v-deo.html
@@Eric-le3uu Thanx man and i don't hate writing it's just sometimes i'm too lazy to be an artist drawing all those Kanji but at the same time writing has been very effective for me so it's just my conundrum. I'll be sure to check out your content as well. Happy language learning!
not writing kanji does suffice in the beginning. i personally look at the stroke order animation and pay attention to radicals. most kanji are phonosemantic so not all the parts are meaningful but doing it like this with jisho enables you to learn kanji by writing which is most effective.
Good Japanese. I didn't understand anything but, according to google translate and what you said earlier, I guess you talked about English structure for Japanese native speakers.
I think I a lot of people join these (in China they're called "英语角“) for social reasons more so than how much they think they can improve their English.
I’ve noticed some people use them as a cheap form of therapy almost. The Far East societies are all strict about what you can say to other people according to your rank in life. But foreigners and English are thought to exist separately of these rules, so people will come to say all the stuff they need to get off their chest.
First off, adults in eikaiwa are NOT beginners. They have anywhere between 6 and 16 years of grammar-intensive English with a sprinkle of reading. They come to the eikaiwa to get specifically what has been lacking in their education - speaking and listening. Now, could they get this more intensively on their own? Probably. But I don’t think you can examine this idea how without looking at japanese society. Japan is not known for it’s initiative. People generally seem to prefer instruction over autonomy. Also, Japan has a complex relationship with foreignness which would make it impossible for many people to approach a foreigner outside the structure of a school. Secondly, I don’t agree with the automatic dismissal of practice with peers. In general, at the first levels of speaking, it doesn’t matter who you practice with because you aren’t capable of free conversation, so it’s all scripted anyhow. For Japan’s specific case, apart from the complex relationship with foreignness, we also have a different mindset surrounding the teacher. A teacher is way above your level. A teacher is not someone you practice with. A teacher is someone you show your polished final result to. This concept of what the teacher is precludes the possibility of uninhibited practice with a native until they have warmed up enough to English to throw out Japanese concepts that have been hammered into their heads their whole lives. At least during the English class. Having taught English in Japan for a decade (at schools, universities, companies and, yes, eikaiwa), I know that they eikaiwa system needs much to be desired. But I also know that considering who they Japanese are and how they have been taught English, the eikaiwa is absolutely vital to improving real English skills in Japan.
The best study method is the one you keep doing. Input above all else doesn’t work for me because I need meaning. I can’t watch a tv series and not understand the big picture. Similarly, I can’t translate a book word for word, because without the grammar basics I will understand every word and not the the sentence. I get that heavy input works for you. But why should that discredit what other people are successfully doing?
Input means comprehensible input. CI. It's pointless to listen to things that you don't understand. That's why it's important to get transcripts & work over the transcripts. Keep it short at first. Listen more than once. The whole idea is to listen to things that you understand so that you gradually get used to the language.
Well, now that you mention comprehensible, I think that producing output supports understanding for me. It’s a chicken and egg cycle for me. Learning the grammar point means i understand it when I read or hear it. Reading or hearing it helps me use it. Using it makes me better at recognizing it. I need input and output in tandem. Anything else feels like running on one leg. But I appreciate that not everyone learns in the same way or needs the same things.
As for listening and reading over and over, I do. Probably more obsessively than even you. (I do 2-3 hours of natural input per day, apart from studying and producing.) But I always understand the material BEFORE I use it, and my mind slowly makes the equations. I never listen or watch first, until I understand the language enough to comprehend without help. I don’t have the patience.
-medmaniac - I’m not sure what you mean by progress here. If you simply mean speed, I have no idea how it compares. As for eventual level, I find that the input-heavy languages are more natural. For example, I learned Japanese in an immersive environment and my Japanese is way more similar to the way Japanese speak it, as opposed to my French which is much more textbook. Because I studied French for 11 years through university, I would be way more comfortable correcting a French essay, but if you stuck me in a group of my peers to have a casual conversation, I would sound stilted. So, for technical correctness, grammar with 4 skills on top works best, but if your main objective is real speaking, listening or reading, input-based study is much more effective.
@@Thelinguist I'll break it down quickly - Basically a guy listened to Japanese for 18 hours a day, did Heisig's RTK, made 10k sentence cards from movies, TV shows, etc. He reached a near native level of fluency in something crazy, like 18 months. It's a growing community, and all of the very serious Japanese learners on the internet follow it. I gave a really butchered summary, but I hope that helps.
いつも動画を拝見して刺激を受けています。ありがとうございます。スティーブさんのエナジーはすごいと思います！英語は自分にとってまだまだ難しいですが、今後も真剣に英語を勉強していきたいと思っています。
.Your activities always inspire me to make more efforts. Thank you, Mr.steve. I like your energies very much!!! English is so difficult for me, but I want to continue learning English seriously.
Thank you to you for the kind comment.
Since we're on the topic of Japanese, today I was asked to administer an English test to a Japanese student that doesn't come to school (I'm an ALT in Japan). She did remarkably better than any of the students who come to school. It affirmed by beliefs that language is largely a solitary activity (though I do think good progress can be made in groups if done correctly).
The phrases, the words between sentences, varying endings and so on that you used in this video sound almost natural, amazing. I could perceive you’d learned those real expressions from some reading or listening, which you emphasized on here as ways of inputs. Besides, I’m afraid if it would offend you a little but I thought people who are aged like you can’t learn foreign language easily, I know it’s not been easy even for you actually, but you’ve made it at least to the sufficient level from one of Japanese native speaker’s view. Thank you for inspiring and motivating me. I’ll keep up the good work with my English too.
Having worked in an Eikaiwa for 2 years, here are my thoughts. There is too much time wasted drilling vocab and grammar, similar to high schools in the USA. That's something you can do at home, and it should primarily be about conversation (like the name suggests). The problem is that most parents will not do any English with their kids, except for that one time a week, therefore we have to drill vocab. The 2nd problem is that most high school kids are also not going to study the vocab at home, because of too much homework and because they are kids. People should be taught about things like Memrise, LingQ, FluentU, etc., so that they can use these resources to learn vocab efficiently, in a fun manner, etc. The emphasis should be on learning vocab and conversations that are actually interesting and relevant to students, and zero writing. Then classroom time should be conversation only, something you can't imitate at home. Having said all of this though, what most students get out of Eikaiwa is proper pronunciation and to not fear foreigners, which it does do well. It is also better than nothing. ALTs that I know working at high schools, told me that they spent a whole week on "What color do you like? I like..." That is one lesson in an Eikaiwa. While Eikaiwa kids won't have amazing English, they will definitely be ahead of their classmates in normal school lol. There is also a bigger problem in Japan with the amount of homework and class time and club time. My students spent 8 hours every Saturday with their club, be it band or soccer or whatever. That means Sunday was their only true day off. It also means you can't do more than one club. When I was a kid, I did 3-4 clubs. I also had a lot of spare time, which of course at times I abused and lots of kids did bad stuff during this time. However, I spent time learning bass guitar, learning C++, and drawing. I got to explore a wide range of things and learn on my own, not what a school or family member told me to learn. The US school system is also rubbish, but a middle ground is what we need. Foreign language studies is the 2nd biggest failure of the US, Canadian, and Japanese school systems. They took a cookie cutter that applied to math and science and then used it on language.
We japanese don't use the term "英語会話" when referring to English conversations, but use "英会話" instead. The former one looks like Chinese
U don't have to emphasize this slim difference , both are same meaning,this Japanese.
Sorry for this question, but, the japanese keyboard has others alphabets?
@@kateli6720 I've never heard of "英語会話" in my life and in any situation 英会話 sounds much more natural to me. Trust me I'm Japanese
@@lucascdg7079 I don't really get what you're asking but usually people either use romaji keyboard or flick keyboard and type hiragana and then convert hiragana into katakana or kanji or don't covert and use hiragana as it is.
この人が言うと何倍も説得力がある。
Steve your Japanese is simply amazing and fluent currently i'm learning Japanese( my 3rd language) and with this language there is so much ground to cover that sometimes i get lost. I've realized that a tactile approach by writing Kanji and Kana has helped me learn faster but sometimes i don't feel like it. What are some things you did in the early stages that helped you progress quickly through the beginner phase? Also, Keep the content coming, i always tell people "Luca, Olly, Richard, Susanna, Moses etc are amazing polyglots but never sleep on Steve as he is the Godfather of language learning".
I might be able to chime in - I am learning Japanese as well and while I don't care for writing, I do read as much as I possibly can. That helps me being able to recognize the kanji. Steve has a video that talks about how he learned Japanese. Also, if you're interested I made a couple of videos too: ua-cam.com/video/OouBMqdE8_s/v-deo.html
@@Eric-le3uu Thanx man and i don't hate writing it's just sometimes i'm too lazy to be an artist drawing all those Kanji but at the same time writing has been very effective for me so it's just my conundrum. I'll be sure to check out your content as well. Happy language learning!
find youtube channel Matt vs Japan, there is everything you need to learn Japanese
not writing kanji does suffice in the beginning. i personally look at the stroke order animation and pay attention to radicals. most kanji are phonosemantic so not all the parts are meaningful but doing it like this with jisho enables you to learn kanji by writing which is most effective.
@@geniusssmit2305 the subreddit has awesome resources his min max approach scares me off though still great advice if you need it though
Good Japanese. I didn't understand anything but, according to google translate and what you said earlier, I guess you talked about English structure for Japanese native speakers.
I think I a lot of people join these (in China they're called "英语角“) for social reasons more so than how much they think they can improve their English.
I’ve noticed some people use them as a cheap form of therapy almost. The Far East societies are all strict about what you can say to other people according to your rank in life. But foreigners and English are thought to exist separately of these rules, so people will come to say all the stuff they need to get off their chest.
@@clairegittens3707 thats suprisingly wholesome
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First off, adults in eikaiwa are NOT beginners. They have anywhere between 6 and 16 years of grammar-intensive English with a sprinkle of reading. They come to the eikaiwa to get specifically what has been lacking in their education - speaking and listening. Now, could they get this more intensively on their own? Probably. But I don’t think you can examine this idea how without looking at japanese society. Japan is not known for it’s initiative. People generally seem to prefer instruction over autonomy. Also, Japan has a complex relationship with foreignness which would make it impossible for many people to approach a foreigner outside the structure of a school.
Secondly, I don’t agree with the automatic dismissal of practice with peers. In general, at the first levels of speaking, it doesn’t matter who you practice with because you aren’t capable of free conversation, so it’s all scripted anyhow. For Japan’s specific case, apart from the complex relationship with foreignness, we also have a different mindset surrounding the teacher. A teacher is way above your level. A teacher is not someone you practice with. A teacher is someone you show your polished final result to. This concept of what the teacher is precludes the possibility of uninhibited practice with a native until they have warmed up enough to English to throw out Japanese concepts that have been hammered into their heads their whole lives. At least during the English class.
Having taught English in Japan for a decade (at schools, universities, companies and, yes, eikaiwa), I know that they eikaiwa system needs much to be desired. But I also know that considering who they Japanese are and how they have been taught English, the eikaiwa is absolutely vital to improving real English skills in Japan.
The best study method is the one you keep doing.
Input above all else doesn’t work for me because I need meaning. I can’t watch a tv series and not understand the big picture. Similarly, I can’t translate a book word for word, because without the grammar basics I will understand every word and not the the sentence. I get that heavy input works for you. But why should that discredit what other people are successfully doing?
Input means comprehensible input. CI. It's pointless to listen to things that you don't understand. That's why it's important to get transcripts & work over the transcripts. Keep it short at first. Listen more than once. The whole idea is to listen to things that you understand so that you gradually get used to the language.
Well, now that you mention comprehensible, I think that producing output supports understanding for me. It’s a chicken and egg cycle for me. Learning the grammar point means i understand it when I read or hear it. Reading or hearing it helps me use it. Using it makes me better at recognizing it. I need input and output in tandem. Anything else feels like running on one leg.
But I appreciate that not everyone learns in the same way or needs the same things.
As for listening and reading over and over, I do. Probably more obsessively than even you. (I do 2-3 hours of natural input per day, apart from studying and producing.) But I always understand the material BEFORE I use it, and my mind slowly makes the equations. I never listen or watch first, until I understand the language enough to comprehend without help. I don’t have the patience.
@@clairegittens3707 how is your progress with that method?
-medmaniac - I’m not sure what you mean by progress here. If you simply mean speed, I have no idea how it compares. As for eventual level, I find that the input-heavy languages are more natural. For example, I learned Japanese in an immersive environment and my Japanese is way more similar to the way Japanese speak it, as opposed to my French which is much more textbook. Because I studied French for 11 years through university, I would be way more comfortable correcting a French essay, but if you stuck me in a group of my peers to have a casual conversation, I would sound stilted. So, for technical correctness, grammar with 4 skills on top works best, but if your main objective is real speaking, listening or reading, input-based study is much more effective.
I just saw the title of the video and thought "what the heck does this mean?" Thank God google translate exists :D
Steve! please review AJATT and MATT vs JAPAN!!
help me guys, I need upvotes
sorry I really don't have the time to do this.
@@Thelinguist I'll break it down quickly - Basically a guy listened to Japanese for 18 hours a day, did Heisig's RTK, made 10k sentence cards from movies, TV shows, etc. He reached a near native level of fluency in something crazy, like 18 months. It's a growing community, and all of the very serious Japanese learners on the internet follow it. I gave a really butchered summary, but I hope that helps.