Powerline vs Wireless vs Ethernet Networking (NCIX Tech Tips #52)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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In this episode, Linus is on a mission to find out the best method to get internet connected to his new office. He'll be looking at powerline, wireless and conventional wired networking solutions.
In 11 years, Linus has aged exactly 11 minutes.
and got married and had a kid lol
And this comment was posted exactly 11 months ago.
"Linus Ketchum", #LinusKetchum
13 years later he finally grew a beard
Daaaamn, 7 years ago and Linus looks exactly the same.
Lol
the wonder of make up
also still a liar, "have to move my desk" jk l, he just jokes around a lot
right tho
It's All Good Man Ikr?
2009!! Linus you need to remake this video! 6 years bro!
OH WAIT, HE DID
Link please?
+Ruhaan Kakar LOL ITS LINUS
+Ruhaan Kakar I don't see a link.
+Ruhaan Kakar and get a new cameraman
When will Linus age? Find out in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z
+Mvttyy
Never.
Something a lot of people don't realize is that Linus' full name is Linus Kelly Sebastian-Ketchum....he's related to Ash Ketchum, and everyone knows that the Ketchums never age.
+Mvttyy LMFAO! TOO FUNNY!
+Mvttyy LMFAO I am taller then him and I am 14
+NolanTheGamer1 anyone would have guessed your age based on your comment
Danilo Riffo Good point
Recommend 10 years am I right
James Wood 2020
I just found out about this 10 years late. It could have saved me from running cables from one end of my house to the other.
Hell yeah borther
yeah wth
2020 as well
Even though people are complaining this is a 2009 video, you presented the pros/cons of the three ethernet topologies that are still in use today. It's a great, quick overview for someone who is not into the "tech aspect" of distributing the internet in their home or office. Crisp video, great audio, and efficient presentation.
Very true
Old Office
Old Chrome logo
Old case
4:3 monitor
non-gaming keyboard and mice
Windows Vista
DIS IZZ OLD!!!!
I loved that keyboard!
That a office you know. To work 🤔
Windows Vista. That was it. It was looking into my first couple years of college again with that futurish-XP theme.
"You cant plug it into a socket strip" As I watch this video with my powerline adapter plugged into a power strip
you can do it in a conventional power strip, but not a surge protector (which you should be using for a pc)
Jessey Lawson I found a significant decrease in the quality of the connection when I used power line Ethernet through a surge protector. Some variance would be expected depending on the quality if the power line ethernet kit.
Oh good. If Linus was correct, I would have a big problem if I wanted to upgrade to powerline.
***** You are right, I think why he said the is because you never know what crazy power strips some people buy into. A normal strip is fine I run one that way my self (Sending End only) and its fine. But I did notice some of the fancier strips can be a issue and you loose a bit of speed and a longer connection time.I think he was trying to make it simple across the board.
Jessey Lawson Indeed you can, but due to the number of appliances that maybe plugged into your power strip, it "may" have any effect on your signal strength/data transfer speed.
2019?? :D
Edit: I'm deaply sorry for posting such a stupid comment I was young and hungry for internet points.
dominatorcharley yup
dominatorcharley lol this company don't exist anymore XD.
Dude NCIX is dead. You should have seen Linus sad face in recent video
How about 2021?
This comparison needs to be updated with 802.11ac router/receiver and gigabit powerline adapters.
It was made 5 years ago
death6199 Just death Thats why he said it needs to be updated
Okay
so now this Powerline network adapter works much faster these days?
I sure hope so... :\
@@eladbari Not really, at least at my house. Here a 1 gbps powerline adapter doesn't work worth shit. I have 200 mbps service. With a powerline adapter on different circuits on my electrical panel, I may be lucky to pull 10 mbps. If they are on the same circuit breaker far apart I may get up to 25 mbps. In the outlets right next to each-other, about 6 ft away, on the same line and wall, I may get up to 50 mbps. And my panel is a 5 year old 200 amp panel and the house has new wiring.
Woah a recommendation from UA-cam I actually liked. 2020 really is a weird year.
2020 and this pops up on my recommended list...OK,I'll bite .
So glad that Linus continued to make videos after this channel. Great content here and it still continues to be great today!
Powerline networking - still as underrated in 2020 as it was in 2009.
Is it a good alternative if you don't have somewhere to plug in your router and can't install one?
@@InsomniacStephens141 of course. Now is not so expensive and is very fast, check the AVM Fritz 510e as example
So basically balls to walls gaming requires you to use Ethernet.
+Robbie Swope or have a really good internet connection to the point you won`t see any diffrences (we have that here)
+camera31 Same been playing wireless for awhile now.
Wired is def better if ur in a house with other people using wireless also. Not even a chance otherwise. Wired has a near 0ms response time. I noticed that on wireless in some games my ping would randomly go way up for a sec. Wired, never although it had the sameish ping same games. But as I said, some wireless connections are even better than wired from a shitty ISP. As long as ther not getting interference from one of 10 other 2.4 ghz devices. Wired, or 5.0 GHZ is the only way to game proper on PC Imo overall. Balls to the wall as you said though. If u want every tiny advantage.
+Matt Vinci So for playing games like cod on my ps4 u recommend an ethernet cable rather than wifi connection right?
Yeah, although wireless could be alright to, wired is always better by a bit. Ur more likely to not have an open nat type constantly, and have cut outs in performance def. It uses 2.4ghz, so that means a lot of other wireless devices interfere.
Thank God for UA-cam and people like you. I finally understand the internet a little bit.
FINALY AFTER 10000 MILION YEARS SEARCHING A BENCHMARK FROM THE 3 CONECT TYPES THX I LOVE YOU
Same.
Seriously you lived for that long? :O
Can you make an update of this video? :) I feel that Wi-Fi has improved alot since 2009 :)
I wish they made this video again with updated equipment to see how much these technologies have advanced
you can pretty much assume wired ethernet cable is always better. powerline-wise, it didn't evolve that much. wireless did a little bit, but still worse than wired.
@@guitarFAILjust curious, are modern wireless as fast as modern powerline networking? Another quetion, I have bell fibe internet with just one router, and I also have ethernet ports all through out my house, bell told me that they can't activate those ethernent ports. Are they lying or am I not understanding the technical limitations.
@@maple-leafs13 depends on how good you get the wireless signal i guess. about the wiring in your house i can't tell, but in my country they always avoid helping with those kind of things, because they have full schedule, don't get paid for those perks, etc. good luck my friend
Something to consider when thinking about using power line adapters, they can cause significant interference to local radio users due to the fact that electrical wiring is not shielded and was never designed to carry broadband signals. If your power line adapters do cause interference you could be forced to remove them by local radio authorities such as the FCC or OFCOM(here in the UK)
thank god I'm not the only one who gets horrendous wireless speeds. I'm sold on this power line networking.
ETHERNET! ETHERNET! ETHERNET!.......until Google fiber. :D
***** Yes your right about gaming needs a good ping, now that DICE is testing 120hz servers the data rate needed is going to rise a lot hence the next game has less players as the servers couldn't cope without a upgrade. BF4 started at 10hz now it's 30hz and 10 client side or something like that but they are testing 60 and 120hz client and server side. With 120hz the player count might max out at 18 for now so we can expect Battlefront to be 60hz.
Jessey Lawson “the standard” means that everyone would have it... that’s why it’s “standard”
Google fiber is fast as fu**
Love that Linus is using the same screw driver after all these years!
Nicely done. The best Powerline review on UA-cam.
Powerline is a lot better atm, I get near-wired transfer speeds and pretty much no added latency. What does happen however, is that when you don't use your connection for a while (say you booted up your pc but nothing else) your pc might disconnect for around 5-10 minutes and then reconnect.
Yes but it also depends on resistance in your wiring, other appliances plugged in your home, distance and so on… My power line on the other side of my house only delivers 50% of the speed I get from Ethernet socket in my room or wifi
That 100ft of cat 5 ethernet cable just looks like a Health & Safety nightmare for tripping harzard
I have seen numerous facilities that tape their cables to the floor.
***** Yes but running that cable over all those boxes and down the corridor didn't look like the most permenent set up
@@TheWolfHowling
Thats nothing compared to his office now
Damn. I watched the whole thing before I realised this vid is 10 years old. And I was wondering why he hadn't mentioned mesh…
Jamie Wilkins mesh isn’t a new technology...basically is Wifi
you could also cable or powerline to the desktop and just adhoc from it so that other users can wirelessly connect to the network. Performance of the wireless connection should be good enough for web surfing at least, though i think number of hosts is limited to six or something
Meh i'm staying wired.
im staying gigabit cat6 wired with dual lan until i can get a better internet service, lol
Hellbeast58 stfu
Just so you know,asides the length of the rj-45 cable.
That speed is being attained due to the cable being crimped properly.
So crimping is key if i would say.
I prefer ethernet... Powerline sometimes drop. wifi is terribly slow sometimes. Ethernet is always fast and stable :P
+Massimo Giardina Let's not forget, you're always connected.
you're* ;)
I know this is old but powerline is the best option if you want to have internet without using a long ass ethernet cable
This is Linus's best review, and it's from 2009?!?! Why did I not know this was here before?
Damn 9 years ago
dude its been 9 years you need to do this vid again
Why did this get recommend in 2020
Two things worry me. One, why does he not age and two, why does it take youtube over 10 years to recommend this to me
This wasn't mentioned, but you can also use PowerLine adapters to connect more routers(access points) to make your wireless network a lot better (more range)
thanks man, i didn't really know anything about powerline until now and wired unfortunately isn't an option so it looks worth trying
2019 anyone? Also Linus doesn’t age.
2020
For those wired network speeds he was running at 1gbps - which is theoretically 1000/8=125mb/s. Now with wireless you have to remember that they act like hubs do so the more wireless devices connected and transferring data will slow everyone else down due to interference. Power line tech looks good but as previous poster said, you need to be on the same ring in your building for it to work (depending on your electrical breakers).
I'm stuck with wireless at my house...
me too
500ft Ethernet cable is only 31 USD =P
+Clorox2 It's not the price that's the problem, the problem is that the router and modem are in the basement and my PC is on the first floor in my bedroom with very few options to run the cable to it without going through a wall which my parents would forbid. ("The Wi-Fi is good enough!").
You couldn't have explained it any better my friend.
Gsnyds Who, me?
If you're operating a business, or a home entertainment network, you will want to stick with a wired connection (CAT5e/CAT6). Wireless is for slower solutions and portable devices. Powerline is only as effective as your homes wiring. So, if you live in an old house with old wiring, you won't get advertised speeds. Not to mention that it isn't well insulated so you'll also have issues there.
For powerline connections, could one adapter plugged into the router supply enough bandwidth through the wall for two more adapters, each for a seperate pc in different rooms?
Mack Risbeck yes, it would be the same as having multiple laptops/PCs connected on the same wifi network.
@@anunnakibro Though remember the pie only has so many slices. the more devices actively connected, the lower throughput each experiences.
2020 Anyone? Linus show us your power supply. You are forever young dude.
So. Many. Boxes.
so this video is uploaded 2009 and i'm watching this video in 2019, because i have same problem with the wifi connection.. thanks linus..
update this video
depends on how far the connection has to travel over the powerline. When using a powerline cable you are suspect to electrical noise, faulty wiring, breakers etc. Also, the better the powerline adapter, the better the connection. there are Gigabit powerline adapters that are far superior to the 200 mbps that linus used. I personally use a 200 mbps one, and pull about 35-43 mbps from my 55 mbps int. I am going from ground 1 to ground 2.
So I need 2 Powerline adapters? 1 for my router and the second one to plug into my computer? Another one for my console too? Yes I am a scrub when it comes to technology. Help.
You get one set. The first piece takes the signal and puts it into the powerline, the second piece takes the signal from the powerline and gives it to your pc.
Thanks for explaining.
Jessey Lawson great point, Jessey.
Let me ask you this...besides my hope for this Powerline adapter technology to work much faster than how its being displayed in this video....would you know how much wattage this thing consumes?
I mean, 2 power adapters being hooked into your wall 24/7. Doesnt it sucks up power bills like crazy?
Jeremy Franklin no shit, man! thats great!
How about this model? any good? [theres also AV600 model]:
www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PA4010KIT-Powerline-Adapter-Starter/dp/B00AWRUICG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424905698&sr=8-1&keywords=Powerline+Adapter
Jeremy Franklin So its good enough, and no use for the AV600, then, to stream HD video and more right? :]
oh, and do u really have to plug it directly into the wall?
This just in. Linus is immortal and doesn't age.
I heard the cable should be shorter than 6 ft for better performance, does this make sense?
In theory, yes. Practically? It's negligible until you get to the extremes and it depends on what cable you're running. For instance fiber will have little to no degradation while a normal cat5 is around 250ft.
Jerry's a bit off. I believe you lose a theoretical 1Megabit/Second for every 100 feet.
Daymian Hogue No I'm not. I work with cat5e/6 cables in my IT internship and we're limited to 250ft/80m. The normal signal degradation limit is 100m but we keep it shorter than that.
It's all theoretical. There's endless variables...Blah blah blah point is shorter is better eliminates variables lowers chances of interference, ect.
jerry lui who would pay for fiber in their house? cat 6 is a better means, plus it can go 100 meters, yes i said meters optimally, cat 5, 6 and 7 can handle gigabit, but only 7 can handle 10gbps
thanks for this video i was really stuck on what to do-wireless or powerline.
definitly going for powerline now
Young Linus .-.
You gotta remake this, man. The tech has improved.
That was way too far for the WiFi test.
There's no way the WiFi could have kept up.
Very interesting video however!
well most power strips usually come with line conditioning and or surge suppression which will effect these, which is why it's advisable to by pass any power strip with these. i think that if they would have mentioned some of the caveats of the power line adapters it would be a more rounded video. these work great if the conditions are right however in some situations you have rooms that are on different circuits which prevent these units from communicating with one another and as well as the wiring and distance also effects overall bandwidth.
Jessey Lawson i actually hooked my powerline adapter up on different circuits the first time, and it worked. It wasnt very good thoug so I called cisco and they were like "uhh, that shouldnt even work"
lol that's interesting, yeah they shouldn't work on two different circuits, but then again i have heard of stranger things happening.
Jessey Lawson exactly you’re not supposed to put a power line adapter on a power strip or surge protect as is can mess with the performance. Might as well use WiFi then. Powerline adapters need a dedicated outlet in the wall to do their job.
Jessey Lawson yeah he checks his facts about as much as you check your grammar...
Why did I get this recommended now? 10 years later...
Faeces
2:41 and he still can't hold a screwdriver like a man.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME POWERLINE, Ive been having to deal with crappy wireless for too long
Linus still rocking that orange ratcheting screwdriver to this day.
My finger unwillingly choosed this video of 10 years age...thanks God
If this can outperform Regular Wifi in regular conditions I'd be surprised. Does anyone remember in the days before home networking really existed to end users? I remember having the same concept of the Power Line to share the 56K Modem (or if a room didn't have a phone line). That shit was TERRIBLE. But like people commenting said It would depend on the home. This was a mid 70's home at the time.
Your demonstration was great and I can tell you know your stuff. Thank you very much for this video. I finally have better internet now, but some dead spots and will try the Powerline to get better wi-fi in my smartTv.
10 years on, Ethernet cables remain the fastest option, but I've set up many UK users with Powerline, nowadays theoretically capable of 500 mbps or faster, not 200 as here. Some modern 'wireless' Powerline systems offer a hotspot, AP/router, or repeater/extender mode. If Powerline won't install, check everything shares one circuit, as big premises such as a hotel can have several unlinked circuits if the building has expanded over the years.
Wow I got recommended this 10 years later lol
You can use mains extensions but avoid surge protectors because they kill the speed.
This is helpful and clearly explained!! Thank you!!
This is very informative. I needed to know if powerline was faster than wife. Can you review the TPL-410APK vs TPL-406E2K powerline? That would be very cool. Thanks.
Wow, this really puts things into perspective. This is why I get shitted on before I have time to shoot back in BF4. Great video, exactly what I was looking for.
It did not work for my customer, I had him buy a TP link two unit model such as the one in this video.. after more than an hour trying to set-up at a distance with him on the phone I gave-up, it seem that power line models work on the same electrical circuit, but when on a different circuit it may not function, so it got returned to Amazon.
I told my customer to go and buy the Netgear wall plug wifi mesh single extender that was in-stock at his local Staples store. It has worked perfectly, my customer has an IP phone that is far from the router and requires a wired connection. With the WPS setup I was able to guide him over the phone. Really great during Covid as he is 79.
This must be how your microwave spies on you. I heard Art Bell talk about this years ago.
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I use powerline and I freaking love it. I don't plug it in the wall and it works fine, but that decreases the performance. If you use wireless you can almost always use powerline which costs about $100. If you use wireless you should definitely go for it. As for cable, when I had it, I ran it through the roof.
2009! Continuum on the test desktop! Love that game.
Sounds like a common problem that most people have while using power line. What he didn't mention, probably because he didn't know is that with power line you need to be use the adapters on the same branch from the main line. While his office may only have a one or two branches and he seemed lucky enough to be on the same for most people this isn't the case. I live in a two floor town home and I have two branches such that I need to use the power line to go upstairs then Ethernet for the rest.
7:01 OMG CAN U STREAM HD?!?!?!?! THATS INSANE
I use a 1200mb power line adapter from the modem to the router, saved drilling holes and routing cables... no issues running 70 workstations
The point maybe the over power line solution plus changing the way we do data for example if we integrate the diamond spectrum data scheme we could squeeze about 100 MB down to 10 bytes of transmitted data and expand it back using diamond light spectrum spreading and angling of diamond
he should do an updated version of this
Wow back in the day!
EXCEPTIONALLY WELL PRESENTED INFORMATION. Thank you for delivering only relevant, VERY easy to understand with clear speech and clear examples of practical application.
You unwound the CAT cable wrongly and introduced twist, that's why you didn't get a neat coil when you rewound it. You should have put a round bar or postal tube through your initial coil and reeled it off as you laad it in that way you get no twist in the cable.
Thanks this video helped me figure out if powerline is faster than normal ethernet, gotta get myself a long ass ethernet cable now lol.
Just an FYI to your viewers out there; if any of them are amateur radio operators, the power-line adapters tend to throw off quite a bit of radio frequency noise in the 40, 10, 11, and 12 meter bands, resulting in about 2 or 3 "S-units" of distortion in their receivers.
Gavin Snyder's comment concerning RF noise in the ham bands is completely correct. Outside the ham bands, it is far worse. I saw S9 noise from about 12mhz up through 55mhz except in the ham bands where it was S2 to S3. So if you are a SWL, or have a neighbor who is, you may want to consider WiFi or Ethernet. I went back to WiFi.
Eleven year old video.... still relevant...
Daaaamn, 11 years ago and linus looks exactly the same.
Great video! Wish I would have seen this before I'd have gotten one of these years ago.
Still relevant. Missed that it is a simplex radio for wireless. If the radio is transmitting, it can't receive. Now think about multiple users.
Also powerline suffers from afci. 50-99% signal loss. Apparently there are specific afci like Schreder that do not do this
remember when linus doesnt have his beard on?
Whos watching this in 2020? :O
we need a new comparison in 2021 since the tech has changed quite a lot
Wireless has gone a long way since this video was made. Is there an updated version of this video?
The good ol days of linus
Man, I remember this video. I ate this up. I learned about power-line adapters from this video.
wow this guy looks like the person from linus tech tips
the porb with powerline is that it depends on the wiring in ur place. if its old or not good its gna be slow...
in US english, rowter is completely good way of saying it. In oxford english it is always pronounced as rooter.
I like these earlier episodes with Linus because it was before he developed an ego.
Great VIDEO! thank you! can you explain why the TrendNet power line device will not work on a power strip? why does it need to be a direct wall plug in?
Hello people from the UA-cam Algorithm! Linus still the same. Well, see you guys later!
wow a NCIX video
found in the wild
this rare creature is beautiful and must be treated gently and kindly.