Rogue Weightlifting Bars Explained
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- Rogue Athlete Matt Chan explains the differences between the Rogue Bar, the Ohio Bar, the Ohio Power Bar, the Matt Chan Bar, the Oly Training Bar and the Olympic Weightlifting Bar. In this video we break down the details that separate our signature barbells - diameter, strength, whip, knurling, bushing vs. bearings and application.
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I donated an Ohio Power Bar to my local YMCA as the regular barbells were low quality and bowing badly. People thank me all the time and say it is their favorite bar. Amazing quality for a great price.
Brady Stewart can I have one
Michael Dagostino No
Hard flex
But i dont have any bars. Not even one of bad quality...😞
What a nice guy
Knurl is my new favourite word.
Abd your favourite barbell ?
You can replace by "grip area"
*Whip
True. I am so Knurled today!
It’s what you like to put in your mouth
Well, ya'll answered my question on which bar I want to get. Ohio Powerlifting Bar. I need something for all 3 compound lifts.
Rogue Barbell Lineup Overview by Matt Chan.
Working on the women's bars next!
www.roguefitness.com/rogue-barbells
Awsome! Now we know what bars to buy for our future home Box/gym...just waiting on the womens versions and we'll be set! Great job Rogue!!!
I ordered equipment from Rogue Fitness, they lost the shipment, and told me I was on my own in tracking it down. Now that it's finally been shipped back to their facility they're demanding that I pay for shipment again to get stuff I paid for already. Their customer service is terrible.
George Dise Who was the courier? I'm gonna guess UPS.
Why didn't you get the courier to send it to you instead of return it once found?
Rogue Fitness does the manufacturer that produce the steel to you are they able to get a discount
Thank you for producing this video. Excellent presentation by Matt Chan.
Thanks Matt and Rogue, very quick and informational.
Very professional, informative and well done video!
Love Matt Chan, love Rogue, and love Columbus, OH. This video nails everything, haha.
Awesome video, as usual. I wanted to request a video comparing the RM-6 vs RM-6 2.0, though....
Love Rogue products!! Getting my Ohio Bar (E-coat) today!! - took a lot of patience and self control to not succumb to eBay scammers and wait for one direction from Rogue.
How do you like it so far?
I've been holding back on buying a bar because of all the choices but now I am informed and ready to buy.
Do you think that the choice is really critical for an amateur ?
It's his money. Why do you care?
Just purchased my first Chan bar!
Great video!
nice video. im picking up a rogue 2.0 on friday, at long last!
Did you get the 2.0 bar? How is it holding up?
What's the difference between the Composit Bushings vs Bonze Bushings?
@@707SonomaComa long time ago now i bought t. but it's holding up nicely still. don't reember the differences of bushings. think only one option was available then
Great explanations! So for T-Bar Row and Squads, the Ohio Power Bar is the best choice?
As someone who didn't know the specifics between the barbells while looking for one. I needed this video.
My college gym has a few ohio power bars they are my favorite.
Hi. Sorry I got so confused so which bar of these is the best for deadlift, squats and bench press. I’m looking for also the best for corrosion resistance and looking if possible. Thanks for help
I have some older style Golds Gym, cheap bars I'm certain, but they are both Gold's but have different ring placement from the center knurl. Can anyone tell me what the actual measurements are for various bars from center knurl to outer knurl, so that once I figure out the one I prefer, I'll know which type to buy or at least where I need the ring's. Thank you for any helpful input.
Nice video, what about the Cerakote bars ? Also about the bushing vs. bearing design, does it really make a difference in the spin ? Maybe only in the longevity of the bar ? One could also argue that the 1mm difference in diameter of some bars would make the grip effort easier (28mm) or harder (29mm).
Anyway for a classical garage use I think that all those bars are suitable.
im kinda late but with the amount we are lifting in oly lifts, dont think that the bearings vs bushings is the biggest problem. maybe we could notice it but the bushings work fine
Do a wsm/Arnold version of this with their tensile strength bars and elephant bar please.
Great stuff
Guys, what's the best Rogue Fitness bar for Deadlifting? I've run out of space at 460 on my gym's barbells and the manager told me to bring him a suitable bar for them to buy. Which one of these has good flex and is able to hold more weight?
Hmmm... was looking at a Texas Deadlift Bar... but now I'm thinking the Matt Chan bar... I like that extra smooth area to keep me from bleeding when I go heavy in the future.
Can the BUSHINGS or BEARINGS on the sleeves be replaced? Or when they wear out is that the end of the bars life?
Anyone know does any of these bars clang when you shake the sleeve( s)?
Have you guys changed the specs of the Matt chan bar? The website said 200 000 tensile strength and composite bushings
I have an urgent question that I would love if you could answer, can I use the Rogue Lb Competition plates or/and the rogue change plates on the Rogue Ohio bar. I am planning on buying the rogue ohio bar with ton of theses plates and I am wondering if they fit in the bar. Thanks in advance! or which ohio bar do I order for them?
You can use both types of plates on either bar. If you are a power lifter, get the power bar, if you are an oly lifter, just get the Ohio bar
Hello! I have a question. Why are there two knurl marks on the bar: 81 cm and 91 cm?
Quick inquiry; when will Rogue Fitness start offering internships for undergraduates with degrees such as Manufacturing Engineering Technology?
Fuck nerds. Go pump iron
@@TrenMan04 Wow Lamar ur so cool... *2 C00L 4 5K001.*
The barbells have like 5 pieces and they are all cylindrical. Their stands are made from square tubing with holes drilled in them with nuts and bolts. and all the weights are cast and machined or covered in rubber.
Engineering 101
@@sethglenn9022 OP said Engineering Technology. That's not hard engineering, it's more of a drafter's degree. Would still be good for an intern though. Square tubing sounds simple enough, but someone has to make the call on when to use a Roto Laser and what brand, precision, quality control etc. Rouge has that stuff figured out it seems, but it's a good place to start. Don't discredit it.
@@TrenMan04 who do you think makes your bars?
this is a very good example of presentation
Does it matter how you store your bar? Vertically or horizontal
Hello :) what is the coatage of the black bar plz ? Black zinc or e coat ? What is the blackest choice pls ? I know ecoat is shinny pretty much than the black zinc but it looks like pretty much dark i think ;)
Hey,
Thanks for video
Are there any lifts in which a [good] spin is not beneficial (e.g. overhead press)?
I'm unable to drop weights at my gym and so spinning weights make lowering barbells needlessly tricky; especially once sweat builds up on bars with passive knurl
Hope to hear back
Kind thanks
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So which of these are olympic and which are standard? So confused....I'm very green btw. In case you couldnt tell...lol
Rogue, it's great going over your site and seeing all those equipment but the prices are very prohibitive for those living outside the US. Prices for the bars alone are already a month or so of wage for most people here in Asia. If prices are more affordable for many people here, I would consider Rogue.
Nothing bests a old rusted york bar
Texas power beats 'em all. Though Ohio Powerbar is up there.
@@oliverallen5324 do rogue do a Texas bar? I love them for squats
Can someone please explain to me what "the whip" and "spin" are, and why are they important?
Keeps the bar from bouncing during lifts and rolling in your hands
High whip bars are good for deadlifting and the Olympic lifts because they allow you to maximize speed off the floor. They do this by bending, which means the middle of the bar moves upward before the full weight is off the floor. That means the lifter is past the hardest point of the lift before he or she feels the full weight in his or her hands.
Spin is how quickly and how long the weights spin on the sleeve of the bar, the thicker parts on the end. High spin is important in the Olympic lifts because of the collars don’t spin, the circular motion of the weights caused by the movements themselves will be transferred to the bar and the bar will spin in the lifter’s hands, potentially causing a failed lift.
Charles Fisher You explained this to people better then the video. He was more trying to sell then actually give people knowledge on what a bars purpose is so people can make the right decision on what to get. Never once did he say whip is good for deadlifting and no whip is good for squats and bench etc. Was shocked he failed to mention all that.
Good video thanks
If your bar is constantly twisting in your hands is it broken? mine twist alot while in my hands
It's supposed to spin so the weights don't when you're doing Olympic lifts.
The oly wl bar is actually straighter than most arrows. Usually only the high end arrows are 0.001” in straightness
What about the rogue beater bar
The beater bar?.... Sounds sexy
What would you Recommend for home use
I just need one bar I can deadlift with, squat with and bench with. I don't want to have to buy 10 bars. The Ohio Power bar sounds right for me. I'm still under 500lbs on my lifts
I wish you good luck to lift above 500 lb.
Keep hitting those weights
@@johnjhs3497 Thank you
Did you end up with the power bar? How do you like it? Anything you'd change? I'm such between the Ohio power bar and the Chan bar
Absolutely great video! Chuck full of everything you need to know when choosing a barbell. I'm definitely going with the Matt Chan bar for my clients...& for myself! It's got the best, of all bar worlds!
I dont understand why it needs to spin for some bars or whats the whip for?does the bar having a whip make it harder and give you a better workout or is it to make it easier? I dont get all this.whats the spin for?
spin or needle bearings, for olympic lifting. When you clean or snatch, you're rotating the bar very quickly and if the sleeves don't rotate then you would be fighting to spin the weight plates. So the spin allows the weight plates to stay put and the shaft to spin independently from the sleeve and plates. Whip helps with oly lifting also, with the clean. The plates stay on the ground longer allowing you to be more upright before taking the full load and then allowing the bar to slingshot up. Also helps with the push jerk split, using the momentum by bouncing it up.
@@jakeparkaaaa thanks alot there was some point where I was very ignorant about bars and even 45 pound plates. This explanation is really good I just found it again not realizing I had watched it way before now I understand it perfectly .
So Ohio or Rogue 2.0 for Garage Gym? Please someone help a brother out. Im leaning towards Ohio because of the 2 brass bushings. I want to order in the next hour. thanks
Love it. The oly wightlifting bar, can i use it for some powerlifting too? I am not a beast, so i will not put on 100's of pounds, but i will be sure to get quality items from the start. That is why i am wondering about the oly weightlifting bar.
Yeah you can use it for anything bud.
An olympic bar wont have a center knurl (so it wont grip the back of your shirt very well (which is an issue particularly for people who squat low bar) and will have a bunch of whip which is annoying when you load the bar up - but you probably won't notice particularly until there is 4 or more plates on the bar. So, to conclude, you can use one but it will be less than ideal.
sigurd2498 if you are using it and are not a competitive powerlifter, you will be fine. Elite Oly lifters use their Oly bars for deadlifting and squatting and they deadlift and squat well over 500lbs on it. However, if you feel the need, get a Rogue Bar 2.0 as well as the Oly bar so you have two bars for metcon work, and a bar you can rack without guilt.
Can you do a review of the new echo bar. It seems like an ohio bar without the dual knurl marks and no end caps. Is this correct?
those are trash. you're welcome.
You have some bad luck with them Joseph?
They should make a 30.5mm out of Haynes brand Waspalloy fully hard. Bore the bushings and super finish the outside and inside use a labyrinth seal to keep chalk out. People would be lined up way down the road to buy one.
How much weight do you need to be lifting to notice "good whip"?
Drop the weight on some safety bars an watch it whip
First whip at 180kg (405lb) useful whip at 200kg (440lb). So basically anything over 200kg.
What about deadlift bars?
Which Ohio Power Bar is better? The 45lb version or 20kg version. I lift weights in my garage gym as a "hobby" and am not looking to train for competition.
45 lb = 20 kg they are the same
20kg = 44lbs. I've had both, kept the 20kg version. I like the look of the slimmer sleeves and they're longer for more weight
Just make sure to get stainless steel either version
is there any bar that can be used for all big lifts including oly lifts ?
Looks like the Matt Chan bar would be the one.
B&R bar is designed for multipurpose useage
I'll take one of each, thanks!
What is the best bar to start ?
weightlifting and crossfit?
Ricardo Santos Rogue 2.0
+Ricardo Santos just need a bar forget this rogue thing its not special unless you are a pro and will soon be competing in a challenge.
M Akhtar yes I Know Thanks :)
I’m planning on starting a home gym. Can anyone tell me if they think the rogue power bar or the Chan bar is better for multi purpose?
Cody following for an answer. Want to start home garage gym as well.
Great bars, but if you want a really good olympic bar, go for Pendlay or Eleiko
Would you recommend Ohio power bar for CrossFit WODs? many thanks.
I know bushing bar with famous spin... bearing shaft dislike increase in age ....during long years of dropping all is destroyed in bearing. (I was forced to replace 10 bearing of my old UDDEHOLM. AFTER 20 YEARS...TEN OF INTENSIVE USE)..... im not afficionados of dual mark bars ....its really not interresting...personnally if i was USA resident i buy a Euro WL bar for Oly-L and Ohio power bar for "big 3".....(im in France and i own ELEIKO COMPETITION for Oly and PALLINI IPF BARBELL...BOTH ARE CERTIFIED..(PRICE AFFRAID BUT WITH 2 SPECIFICS BARS ITS DECADES OF SERENITY).... I love ROGUE to.but in France its rare . My critic is against dual marks....(Eleiko or Rogue is not problem)...problem is : 1) for bench and Back Squat i love a very rigid bar withouth whip(for D-L i can use a whippy bar if grip is good...but i dont prefer)...... 2) for snatch i can use rigid bar(if spin is good) but for Clean Jerk..I NEED OF ALL MY SOUL A ULTRA WHIPPY BARBELL...For absorb clean enrrgy and manage spring effect at jerk....IF A BAR IS GOOD FOR C/J....how use it for heavy back squats or Bench..???? If a bar is good in Bench or Squat.. how you can clean it....(at 425/440 lbs its a TORTURE...Geneva convention should forbidden that)
Those bars made for weightlifting are crap for powerlifting one taught me a lesson. I got hold of it I thought it felt weird. The disks were flapping in the wind it almost rolled off my back. I looked and noticed it was thinner and said Elikio on it.
So they're basically all the same?
What about the elephant bar?
i love my rogue ohio bar. love that it was made in america using american steel. keep the manufacturing dream alive rogue!
Looking for my dad late at night on UA-cam and I end up here...
what kind of bar is the Thor bar?
Is there a rogue deadlift bar ?
My Name Is Knurl.
To summarize:
For 95% of people who lift literally any barbell is fine
Hi, I'm Matt Chan and werg rogue HQ today.
Where’s the Westside Power Bar.
QUESTION TO THE ENGINEERS:
Can someone scientifically explain the term "WHIP" to me?
I have not been able to find anything meaningful on this subject so far.
How is the supposedly noticeable difference between the deflection of the barbells during lifting to be achieved?
I learned that the bending stiffness, i.e. the resistance of the bar to elastic deformation, depends only on the youngs modulus and the moment of inertia.
Bending stiffness = E x I.
Since the youngs modulof different steel grades or alloys shows virtually no variability and the moment of inertia of a barbell can only be changed by the diameter, I ask myself how a "whip" should be created?
Hey Markus, from our experience in the Weightlifting Industry we can tell you two things: 1. Whip is the word for Yield Strength... or point to where the bar bends ( stress out) and comes back to its normal state. 2. Tempering process only allows to do this. For many years, professional IWF brands such as Eleiko and Uesaka created bars under a very unique Steel. Now Rogue and probably couple other brands in the world could get to that point. Is not good to say a bar is over "210.000" PSI when the steel havent been tested through Rockwell and the Tempering process. We hope this helps.
I know lots of women use the men's bars & that Bella is supposed to be a woman version of Ohio but no mention? no women's bars mentioned at all?wasn't Bella used at the Games this year?
women WL Oly bar was used this year game
Yuen Soon We are working on the release of the Women's bars lineup. Should have it very soon!
they're all the same thing just with female dimensions (length, weight and diameter)
All very nice maybe one day i can afford one
190K PSI??? how about 190KSI. K is a kip (1000 lbs) so this is saying 190,000 lbs lbs per in^2. Nothing worse than talking about the strength of something when you don't know what you're talking about. Talking about mechanics of materials here people.
It means if you took a piece of the same steel of 1 sq inch cross section, it would take you 190000 lbs of force to tear it apart.
Sandarpan Correct, but he said 190k PSI, I have my Civil Engineering degree so you;re speaking my language when it comes to steel. But it should be KSI not K*PSI. That's just stupid. You are correct.He is not.
Yeah but 190k could be used to described 190000. Chemical Engineer here. I have seen the terms kpsi and ksi used interchangeably. Also this isn't the SI system so I'm not sure if any of the usual rules apply here. Anyway I highly doubt Matt Chan has an engineering degree. :)
***** nothing is wrong with pounds per square inch. A Kip (K) is 1,000 lbs. So you would say Ksi if you wanted to say 1,000 lbs per square inch. if you say 190K PSI then that means (1,000 lbs * lbs) / in^2 or 1,000 lbs^2/in^2 which just wrong. Lbs are not squared. I was being nit picky to begin with but if you're going to advertise something and brag about it you might as well say it right. Either 190,000PSI or 190KSI. Clear as mud?
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Yeah but the static bending strength has a strong correlation with the dynamic strength. What I mean is that you can rest assured that a bar which is rated for 1500 lbs is also dynamically weaker than a bar rated for 3000 lbs. But then again 1500 lbs is not the force at which the bar snaps. It is the strength that the company is willing to guarantee. For the past one year I have intensively researched barbell construction and have even come up with a few of my own designs based on the popular snap ring design.
Anyone else thinks that he looks like a tattooed John Cena?
nop
Love my Ohio Power Bar
The strength of the steel will not effect the whip of the bar unless it's so low that the bar bends.. The change in whip would be from change in bar diameter
whats a bar you can just fuck up something that'll survive 600 to 700 lb on squat and deadlift
That fat asian kid any cheap bar will. I got a standard bar that can hold 700lbs and it only cost like $110. These are rip offs unless you can lift like 1000lbs
Kotally Savage Yeah I have a cheap bar that was 180 called The Beast I believe by cap which Is great. But I bought a cap barbell from sears sometime ago for 90 dollars. The first day I tried to squat with it I failed a 315 squat and I dropped it on the safety's and it bent 90 degrees.
That fat asian kid wow that's fucked up. How could it bend if it landed on the safety's tho? Like the distance between them is larger than on your back so it should theoretically bend on your back and not on the safety's
Kotally Savage I was squatting and at this time I didn't really have my squat form down. I basically dive bombed and on the way up I lost my balance and slipped forwards. I fell close to the top of the squat that's why it bent.
I have a video on my channel of me squatting and what I use to catch the bar if I fail are very short. I'm lucky it caught the bar or I wouldn't be here lol.
we need this videos in spanish too
DUAL MARK IW ACCEPTABLE FOR INITIATION OR VERY LIGHT LOADS.. when i create plans of Personal GYms for my Friend/cousin/brothers i order purchase of 1) A great 28mm Oly bar 1bis) same in 25mm for the Miss .2) a good power bar 29mm 3) EZ Bar 4)Triceps bomber 5) squat Rack 6) ipf Bench 7) dumbels modulable 8) lot of Bumpers 9) captain crush series 10)kettlbell series.. and wall bars and parrallel dips bar. Are obe obligation..in more.....after all that i advice him for machines..... (pulley in first)...lol
ELIKO is where its at.
Guys looks and sounds like the deadpool of crossfit
I don't see how they even use them. I reckon they are used to them its a completely different sport.
Are you part Asian?
Now just show us how the weights are cast or cut.
2:47 General humans? Are robots or monkeys power-lifting now too
Think he's referring to freaks that are staking huge weight onto the bar which would cause it to flex/whip
is your display bench made of power rack struts ? lol
I don’t see the point of the Matt Chan bar besides the fact that the knurling won’t scare ur shins cuz it’s not as long
Its like a power bar that can do some oly moves
With the 51 new genders added to the list these days, I assume rogue gotta to introduce different variety color bands to satisfy them all 😂
When Oly lifting, Blue for 20kg, Yellow for 15kg. It mirrors competition plates.
ill save my 500 hundred bucks and get something else. the bar i got with my weight set from dicks sports does a dandy job and i've been using and abusing it for several years now
yea well if you dont care enough to buy from dicks ...go for it.
I got some cheap fitness gear bar included in my weight set and it looks like a upside down U now
Oh nice! Checks stock. No stock. Waits for stock. An eternity later, Dies of old age.
😀😬😳🥺😒☹️😢🏋🏻♀️ 👴🏻🪦
And his name is JOHN CENA
Can I have just one
Bars should have no whip off the ground, whatsoever. It only makes the lift easier.
dude needs to get that wart checked out
Eleiko still make better bars
Dude said a bench bar lol
I literally learned nothing from this video. How can you tell a deadlift bar from a squat bar?
Almost skipped this video because I'm looking for a powerlifting bar, not a weightlifting bar.