Into Space-CAP: Bl**dy good work. Now, create the P42 (SU-27) and SMASH these times. Consider: F-104S F-16 M2000 F-22 Regarding the F-22; "Dozer" was a Raptor Demo pilot and said after takeoff, with a fully fueled and combat ready 70,000lbs jet, he pulled straight up at 570 kts and when he climbed through 30,000ft pure vertical, the jet was M0.99. I believe the P42 had a thrust to weight ratio of 2:1.
F-104: ua-cam.com/video/HlnfGk4t_ws/v-deo.html F-16: OK M2000: DCS flight model too unrealistic will be silly F-22: OK SU-27: version we get is suuuper heavy and slow
@@Eddy_525 Meh, the mod seems unrealistically overpowered. I'm not interested in seeing overmodeled mods, please focus on the DCS models where they're likely +/-5% from reality.
@@Eddy_525 It's not about Russian vs US bias. It's that mod makers typically love the aircraft they're pouring hours of their lives into, and they often overmodel them when data isn't readily available. Look at the recent video where the Typhoon mod outstripped every other 4th gen by a huge margin. It's good, but not that good. I tried the F-104 Starfighter mod, and it also has serious problems with being overpowered. So it's not about which country, it's that mods in general (A-4E-C is an exception) are often unrealistic.
I was in the AF the year the streak eagle broke those records. There was a Air Force Now film about it. It had no paint, minimal avionics, minimum fuel. To facilitate the attempt, it took off in full burner, and because of the light weight, would actually skid the main gear (brakes fully engaged). They had to tie it down with cables, go full burner, then release the cables. It actually rotated within 7 lengths of it's fuselage.
F-104 achieved some of its records the same way. It was tied with a cable and after engine ran in full afterburner it was released by a small explosive charge... I guess back then there were fewer rules.
Loved the vid ! How about the the following : Put unlimited fuel on , with like 100lbs of fuel to compensate for the extra weight and give it another go ... Like a mythbusters episode... See if that gets you closer?? Edit: Callum McKie beat me to this chain of thought 🙂
Fun fact: that is pretty much the same flight profile I use to reach max instantaneous altitude in a Mig21. During the GR games I took it up to 97.200ft. With a very similar approach as shown here. 🤣
The coolest thing about the F15???..... It's 50th birthday is this year. Imagine that, a fighter plane design, still dominant even after 50 years!!! May the F15EX continue for another 25.
Nevertheless, the Air Force will discover its amazing utility when paired with the F-35 if we have the great misfortune of having to fight a near-peer war.
Nice effort gents! Found this info as to how they got to the weight -- In fact, as explained by Steve Markman and Bill Holder in their book One Of A Kind Research Aircraft A History Of In Flight Simulators, Testbeds & Prototypes, from this F-15 were removed all unnecessary items, such as missiles, radar, cannon, tail hook, one generator, utility hydraulic system, flap and speed brake actuators while another 40 pounds were gained by not painting the aircraft. Several instrumentation was also installed in the aircraft, such as a restraint device that replaced the tail hook, and a nose boom with alpha and beta probes to determine the angle of attack and sideslip coupled with special battery packs and controls. Other special tools were an over the shoulder camera, a G-meter, a standby attitude gyro, equipment for verifying altitude, and ballast. With this modifications, the Streak Eagle saved 2,800 pounds while the fuel carried in each record attempt varied from 3,000 to 6,000 pounds. The eight new altitudes and times records listed below were set by three USAF F-15 pilots: Maj. Roger Smith, Maj. W.R. Macfarlane and Maj. Dave Peterson who, from Jan. 16 to Feb. 1, 1975 flew the Streak Eagle. -Zup
Your lighter fuel load at takeoff more than covered the heavier dry weight. The additional drag from the launchers would've played a role but I suspect that, if anything, DCS's formulas are off to give account for 48 seconds difference.
My dad used to fly light planes a lot, he was also the head of his work's aviation enthusiasts club. They would have a movie night once a month and I would get to watch them the night before at home on the wall. I remember watching the film of the Streak Eagle one night in around 1977 or so. Ripping stuff !
To make up for weight just turn infinite fuel burn on and pull nearly all fuel out of bird, seems like that would be a way to tweak performance without actually changing bird
Trevor Jacobs didn't need enough fuel to safely land. When will the GR recreate that historic flight? Eta: watching twin F15's attempting the Streak Eagle climb is beautiful to watch 🍻☺🎉
Hey SuperCAP, WinWing should be very happy with your channel. I bought my Orion kit (FA/18 HOTAS) after watching your content and I'm very happy with it, and with your content as well.
Also, it was tied to the truck (with anti-heat shield to protect it) because it was so light that it's engines would have moved it even with idle trust
2 years have passed from your previous Streak Eagle video and you have improved a lot. Well done! Unfortunately you have not tried to recreate, the standing time to climb record holder (registered by FAI), which is the P-42 (Su-27). In 1986-87, ALL of Streak Eagle records were broken by more than 3% except for the 20.000m one, which was only broken by less than 3% and still stands for the F-15. Not to take away from the F-15 that it is a magnificent piece of engineering, but from the current list of time to climb records (9 in total) the F-15 holds only one. The Su-27 holds five and the MiG-25 holds three.
@@islandfd3s “The idea of entering a competition for world records for aircraft of this category was conceived during 1986,” said Sukhoi OKB General Designer Mikhail Simonov. “We realized that the aircraft was capable of doing many things. We were so confident that, for record setting, we decided not to build a dedicated aircraft, and took a series produced one, which had flown, and, of course, had been prepared in conformity with the stringent Federation Aeronautique Internationale rules.
I live 20 minutes from the National Museum of the Air Force (previously just the Air Force Museum). I saw that plane as a kid. I believe they've now moved it to storage and replaced it with another F-15.
Really enjoyed this recreation thanks 👌Kudos to RC for staying close esp during the Immelman. Having read the comments below I must admit I would also like to have seen the landing just for S&Gs and another attempt using fuel weight to get the plane close to original Streak weight with Unlimited Fuel on. However not burning fuel would skew the result obvs but it may be closer. Thanks guys enjoyable as always.
I actually used to work at the museum the streak eagle is at. It’s currently sitting in storage, which isn’t really open to the public, so you can’t see it anymore, but there is plans to bring it over!
Will we ever get a B-58? I'd want that in on every race, just because it drips cool. Delta wing and skinny with four huge engines like fat tires on a muscle car!
At 100k feet, you’re nearly out of the atmosphere. Didn’t the flight suits worn by SR-71 pilots resemble those worn by astronauts? I wonder what cockpit conditions would have been like for the Streak Eagle pilots at the max altitude of that run.
I haven't been able to find anything about the suit other than the name the "A/P-225-6 full pressure suit," but the company that made it is the same one that's made...most pressure suits for the USAF it seems. From the X-1 to the shuttle ACES suits. It would *most likely* be pretty similar to their X-15 suit, since that became the baseline for most of their stuff that came after.
If you could get a mod that enabled you to remove the LAU-106s and the gun, you might be ablel to get closer to the record. Great attempt. (LAU-106 is the AIM-7/-120 launcher)
4:39 Get Pinkie Pie, she can. Can't wait to get the Strike Eagle, it's gonna be a beast. And probably the best plane for a second account to run a second seat in Veeeee Orre.
Cool video but wouldn't it be possible to reduce the amount of fuel to match the weight of the original aircraft and then just use infinite fuel? I guess this wouldn't allow for the effect of the weight reducing as the fuel is burnt but would be interesting to see the difference in result.
How about the same goal, with a new twist. Destroy a satellite while your up there. F15/F22. Another mission comes to mind. CAS, Khe Sahn, Vietnam. Defend the base perimeter and drop supplies on the runway. Helos, Transport planes, A10s...
Pity the guys who make DCS don't give the option to recreate an aircraft that can duplicate feats like this! Still, impressive video gents. Maybe you could do Project High Jump (the F4 time-to-climb record that preceded the Eagle's)...ooh, or how about Project Sage Burner? The low altitude-to-speed record (also in a Phantom).
Holy crap that Sonic noin IS loud on real Life...on morning faf made identification flight over my house supersonic... I thought that some idiot was playing with dynamite until i heard afterburners.
although the F-15C is heavier than the F-15A, the -220 engine is more powerful in the supersonic regime. Unlike the "streak flanker" the streak eagle didn't have hot-rodded engines and if I recall correctly it was carrying some hydraulic battery equipment for safety after the engines inevitably flamed out
So I flew this yesterday with an F-15C completely stripped and 5,200 pounds of fuel. I was able to get to 101,456' but it also took a bit longer.. Still a fun flight.
Cap this would be a very fun challenge to do for every plane (mod or not would be your choice). You can make this into a series just like the carrier series.
i can do this same thing in the mirage, simple reach mach 2 at alt, then do a straight vertical climb from like 40k feet, very gentle pul back on that, like 3 or so gs only, and you will reach very high alts my personal record is 107k feet
Breaking the records 13 years later is a bit meh! Kinda seems like records like this aren't worth pursuing any more. There's probably not much to be learned from them to justify the expense 🤷♂️
@@mrkeogh then why did no one beat the MiG-25 time-to-climb or absolute altitude records? How many decades has it been since? And its not like the F-15 beat records that were set the day before, is it? Jeez, your entire comment is pure BS
@@deanboy2416 Well, TBH, the gov philosophy has become a lot more secretive about this sort of thing. So whether or not it can be done, they just wouldn't ever say so. At least that's my general impression. I suspect that if it was the same mentality with people in charge that where in during the 70s, we would be going to those russian tank biathlons or at least hosting our own western equivalent.
Hey cap, not sure if you did a video on it already or not but I recently heard of a guy named Robbie Risner who apparently attempted to push his wingman back to base when he ran out of fuel. Might be fun to try out in dcs
It might be down to gravity drag, something that is more often a concern with rocket launches. You really don't want to spend time and energy fighting gravity instead of efficiently gaining speed and altitude. The Immelman may have been the most time-efficient manoeuvre to get up to altitude for the zoom climb.
@@mrkeogh gravity loss with rockets is wasted fuel fighting gravity instead of climbing or accelerating. It happens when you accelerate a rocket (too) slowly Why would you do that deliberately when the only point is gaining altitude asap and you can fly horizontally or vertically or anything in between?
@@vertigo2893 Time spent flying horizontally is not time spent climbing. The maneuver is almost certainly based on their math for the optimal engine performance at specific speeds and altitudes with all possible extraneous maneuvers cut.
@@ColonelSandersLite That doesnt explain anything. The F15 can climb up vertically, or it can fly horizontally or ANYTHING inbetween. Im sure they calculated the optimal speed and attitude at various altitudes to maximize thrust and minimize drag and gravity losses, but why would you want to fly inverted and roll the thing?
@@vertigo2893 Ok, so the flight plan is this - 1. Fly level to accelerate to the point where you're getting maximum thrust (about mach 0.65) 2. Pull to straight vertical for maximum climb. 3. As speed increases, lift generated by the wings increases so you'll want to take advantage of that. Go to new pitch for shallow climb at something like 15 degrees pitch. And this is the part where you're confused. You're at straight vertical and want to go to your new pitch. There are 3 options. A. Continue to pull 2.5 gs. for 25 seconds to the new pitch. B. Push -2.5gs for 25 seconds to the new pitch. C. Use rudder to yaw the plane to the new pitch. Option C will take forever, induce craploads of drag, and also be seriously uncomfortable for the pilot. It's not a real option, it's just included for the sake of completeness. Option B? Well it's noteworthy that the human limit for negative g is in the -2 to -3 range, varying by person. Going to -2.5g at all is pretty dangerous. Would anybody be willing to stay there for a full 25 seconds? Even if the particular pilot is willing, would the team as a whole be willing to risk the pilot and aircraft like that? The answer is probably not. Option A is a good choice. Turns out, it's the one they actually used too.
You started with a couple thousand pounds more weight but they would have had more fuel for the return trip. That may have balanced things out more than you think. Not having the full AB weighed down start probably hurt a lot.
I was working at P&W in WPB and one day (1987) they showed us the video of the Streak Eagle....very impressive. The fellow seated to my right mentioned that at that time his room-mate was responsible for the engine trims and I offered that they looked 'pretty crispy...what kind of TBO did they have'? "Single digits' he replied with a smile. So...you'll never be able to match the performance in the sim unless you can turn up the power beyond stock numbers. They were kind of cheating when doing the 'time to climb' records...but everyone did this sort of thing, just don't expect normal run-o-the-mill aircraft to match it.
Does DCS have passenger jets, or is it military only? I don't think Concorde could beat the F-15, but she would have made a lot more noise trying . . .
im gonna have a go at this in the f14b, might put inifinate fuel on though to simulate SOME weight loss, not gonna get it anywhere near 32 k lb though lol
Not same engines. F-15A ran F-100-PW-100 DCS F-15C has F-100-PW-220 -220 added digital controls to improve reloability (no more compressor stalls) but derated to max 98% rpm and reduced maximum thrust. the streak eagle in particular was uprated to 102% trim (equivalent to V-max switch)
I believe the engines on the streak eagle were not standard, they were tuned to run on the ragged edge and take advantage of the cold weather. So it likely they also had more thrust
It had the external petals on the nozzles to reduce drag by 3%, but as far as I know the engines were standard. The decisive factor was the reduction in weight.
@@andreabindolini7452 Cant remember where I read it, but if I remember correctly the fuel trim was more aggressive. Done to get max performance at the expense of longevity, part of the reasons they needed the cold dense air. Remember production F-100’s are designed to last 1000hrs between overhauls, and operate in a wide range of conditions. These did not need to. Just as an example, the F-135 in the F-35 made 56,000+ lbs of thrust on the thrust stand during testing. But is rated at 43,000 in the production model. The MiG -25 that still holds the absolute altitude record was heavy modified as well. Those were not production engines. It also had thrusters for directional control... because the air is not dense enough for the airfoils to be effective.
@@rubiconnn really, what if the closure distance was 200 miles? Main task force scaning down whilst cruising at 40,000ft... distracted at lower targets.
Cap, can you and the team please redo this with a modded F-15 with the actual weight and flight characteristics? I would love to see who could get the closest to the real time, or see if any of you could actually beat it!
You should performed this test from an aircraft carrier to help negate the one ton of extra weight. It would help your heavier jet accelerate to speed faster.
Great video as usual!! I wonder, recently each time I'm breaking hard to the right or left with the F-15 (with 500 knots), the wings breaks. It's a bug? Thanks!
Into Space-CAP: Bl**dy good work. Now, create the P42 (SU-27) and SMASH these times.
Consider:
F-104S
F-16
M2000
F-22
Regarding the F-22; "Dozer" was a Raptor Demo pilot and said after takeoff, with a fully fueled and combat ready 70,000lbs jet, he pulled straight up at 570 kts and when he climbed through 30,000ft pure vertical, the jet was M0.99. I believe the P42 had a thrust to weight ratio of 2:1.
F-104: ua-cam.com/video/HlnfGk4t_ws/v-deo.html
F-16: OK
M2000: DCS flight model too unrealistic will be silly
F-22: OK
SU-27: version we get is suuuper heavy and slow
@@Eddy_525 Meh, the mod seems unrealistically overpowered. I'm not interested in seeing overmodeled mods, please focus on the DCS models where they're likely +/-5% from reality.
@@Eddy_525 a part from everybody's inclinations, the su 57 mod Is massively overpowered
@@Eddy_525 It's not about Russian vs US bias. It's that mod makers typically love the aircraft they're pouring hours of their lives into, and they often overmodel them when data isn't readily available. Look at the recent video where the Typhoon mod outstripped every other 4th gen by a huge margin. It's good, but not that good. I tried the F-104 Starfighter mod, and it also has serious problems with being overpowered. So it's not about which country, it's that mods in general (A-4E-C is an exception) are often unrealistic.
@@Eddy_525 Yup! Wish the mod makers had better data to work with. No matter which country.
I was in the AF the year the streak eagle broke those records. There was a Air Force Now film about it. It had no paint, minimal avionics, minimum fuel. To facilitate the attempt, it took off in full burner, and because of the light weight, would actually skid the main gear (brakes fully engaged). They had to tie it down with cables, go full burner, then release the cables. It actually rotated within 7 lengths of it's fuselage.
F-104 achieved some of its records the same way. It was tied with a cable and after engine ran in full afterburner it was released by a small explosive charge... I guess back then there were fewer rules.
Loved the vid ! How about the the following : Put unlimited fuel on , with like 100lbs of fuel to compensate for the extra weight and give it another go ... Like a mythbusters episode... See if that gets you closer?? Edit: Callum McKie beat me to this chain of thought 🙂
rgr
Fun fact: that is pretty much the same flight profile I use to reach max instantaneous altitude in a Mig21. During the GR games I took it up to 97.200ft. With a very similar approach as shown here. 🤣
rgr
Love the high altitude videos! Would have been neat to see you guys land in this video, dead stick or otherwise.
The coolest thing about the F15???..... It's 50th birthday is this year. Imagine that, a fighter plane design, still dominant even after 50 years!!! May the F15EX continue for another 25.
The only purpose of F-15EX is to keep the production line at Saint Louis open until NGAD gets contracted. USAF never asked for it, doesn’t want it.
In fact the design is even older. And still kick ass.
cool
@@LRRPFco52 The Air Force doesn't want the A10 either....and they claim the F35 can replace it...Proves they are far from correct.
Nevertheless, the Air Force will discover its amazing utility when paired with the F-35 if we have the great misfortune of having to fight a near-peer war.
Nice effort gents! Found this info as to how they got to the weight -- In fact, as explained by Steve Markman and Bill Holder in their book One Of A Kind Research Aircraft A History Of In Flight Simulators, Testbeds & Prototypes, from this F-15 were removed all unnecessary items, such as missiles, radar, cannon, tail hook, one generator, utility hydraulic system, flap and speed brake actuators while another 40 pounds were gained by not painting the aircraft.
Several instrumentation was also installed in the aircraft, such as a restraint device that replaced the tail hook, and a nose boom with alpha and beta probes to determine the angle of attack and sideslip coupled with special battery packs and controls. Other special tools were an over the shoulder camera, a G-meter, a standby attitude gyro, equipment for verifying altitude, and ballast.
With this modifications, the Streak Eagle saved 2,800 pounds while the fuel carried in each record attempt varied from 3,000 to 6,000 pounds.
The eight new altitudes and times records listed below were set by three USAF F-15 pilots: Maj. Roger Smith, Maj. W.R. Macfarlane and Maj. Dave Peterson who, from Jan. 16 to Feb. 1, 1975 flew the Streak Eagle. -Zup
Your lighter fuel load at takeoff more than covered the heavier dry weight. The additional drag from the launchers would've played a role but I suspect that, if anything, DCS's formulas are off to give account for 48 seconds difference.
My dad used to fly light planes a lot, he was also the head of his work's aviation enthusiasts club. They would have a movie night once a month and I would get to watch them the night before at home on the wall. I remember watching the film of the Streak Eagle one night in around 1977 or so.
Ripping stuff !
To make up for weight just turn infinite fuel burn on and pull nearly all fuel out of bird, seems like that would be a way to tweak performance without actually changing bird
Trevor Jacobs didn't need enough fuel to safely land. When will the GR recreate that historic flight?
Eta: watching twin F15's attempting the Streak Eagle climb is beautiful to watch 🍻☺🎉
Every time I eject now I think, "Haha, pulling the Trevor Jacob handle. AWAYYYY"
Hey SuperCAP, WinWing should be very happy with your channel. I bought my Orion kit (FA/18 HOTAS) after watching your content and I'm very happy with it, and with your content as well.
They are, they are pretty much constantly out of stock due to high sales. Thanks :)
Also, it was tied to the truck (with anti-heat shield to protect it) because it was so light that it's engines would have moved it even with idle trust
Maybe with the brakes off, lol
@@y2kcobrar Yes w. brakes of, for sure. But I think it was dome because it wouldn'd have been practical to have brakes on nonstop
Twas great fun to watch. I agree with earlier comments about trying different aircraft.
2 years have passed from your previous Streak Eagle video and you have improved a lot. Well done!
Unfortunately you have not tried to recreate, the standing time to climb record holder (registered by FAI), which is the P-42 (Su-27). In 1986-87, ALL of Streak Eagle records were broken by more than 3% except for the 20.000m one, which was only broken by less than 3% and still stands for the F-15.
Not to take away from the F-15 that it is a magnificent piece of engineering, but from the current list of time to climb records (9 in total) the F-15 holds only one. The Su-27 holds five and the MiG-25 holds three.
thx
the P-42 is a one off, non production aircraft.
It looks like an SU-27, but it's *very* different from a production SU-27.
@@islandfd3s “The idea of entering a competition for world records for aircraft of this category was conceived during 1986,” said Sukhoi OKB General Designer Mikhail Simonov. “We realized that the aircraft was capable of doing many things. We were so confident that, for record setting, we decided not to build a dedicated aircraft, and took a series produced one, which had flown, and, of course, had been prepared in conformity with the stringent Federation Aeronautique Internationale rules.
I live 20 minutes from the National Museum of the Air Force (previously just the Air Force Museum). I saw that plane as a kid. I believe they've now moved it to storage and replaced it with another F-15.
You can still call it the Air Force Museum we won’t tell anyone
"Fast Aeroplane." Flippin' cool looking, too!
I've tested this extensively. The C model will do these altitudes but it weighs more and makes less thrust so it's 20% off on the higher record times.
Really enjoyed this recreation thanks 👌Kudos to RC for staying close esp during the Immelman. Having read the comments below I must admit I would also like to have seen the landing just for S&Gs and another attempt using fuel weight to get the plane close to original Streak weight with Unlimited Fuel on. However not burning fuel would skew the result obvs but it may be closer. Thanks guys enjoyable as always.
Love the shenanigans on this channel!
Haha, this is so cool 😁 I did not expect you to get anywhere near 100k tbh
That's pretty damned accurate for a home flight sim.
agree
Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 19
agreed
I work at St Louis Boeing where they build these and I never get bored of seeing them.
The F-15! Thats ma boy! Holy shit its like a Chevelle with a 454 engine.
I actually used to work at the museum the streak eagle is at. It’s currently sitting in storage, which isn’t really open to the public, so you can’t see it anymore, but there is plans to bring it over!
sad :(
They need to rework DCS weather options. -12.4 is not especially cold even for Georgia.
Absolutely. Same for the maximum of somewhere around 32°C in the Emirates... maybe realistic for "winter", but usually it's 40+ there.
That half circle thingy on the missile launcher is the ejector foot, AKA "The Eagle Claw"
thx
Lordy, I been waiting for this so long… again!
Ich bin ein Streak Eagle.
An F-14 with a TurboKat paintjob would make it to orbit.
100,518 ft Altitude! ....that's a world Record!,...in a Simulator...wish it happened in real life.
it did. The "streak" cruised at nearly 103k'
RC!!!!!! Missed you xxx
If RC increases his deadzone he wont sway when he pulls the stick. I actually use a dz of 20 to keep single direction movements isolated more.
rgr
Will we ever get a B-58? I'd want that in on every race, just because it drips cool. Delta wing and skinny with four huge engines like fat tires on a muscle car!
"Fast aeroplane" describes f15
If nothing else at all, the F-15 is one of the best looking planes ever made.
Especially the single seater.
agree
Fun vid, good flying to hit the marks👍
"Lightest paint scheme that I could find"
I see what you did there
zzaap
Epic Try guys, just shows you the classified nature of Alt, weapons, etc on these planes.
At 100k feet, you’re nearly out of the atmosphere. Didn’t the flight suits worn by SR-71 pilots resemble those worn by astronauts? I wonder what cockpit conditions would have been like for the Streak Eagle pilots at the max altitude of that run.
I haven't been able to find anything about the suit other than the name the "A/P-225-6 full pressure suit," but the company that made it is the same one that's made...most pressure suits for the USAF it seems. From the X-1 to the shuttle ACES suits.
It would *most likely* be pretty similar to their X-15 suit, since that became the baseline for most of their stuff that came after.
Mmm, steak eagle
@@elig7563 okay, ya got me. I’ll fix the typo.
Well done - feel robbed of the inevitable deadstick landing crash though :-)!
I just tried this yesterday, my first and only attempt I reached 2.45m @ 45,000ft then pulled up only 40 degrees and rode that up to 107,000ft
well done!!
More of these please! Great video.
If you could get a mod that enabled you to remove the LAU-106s and the gun, you might be ablel to get closer to the record. Great attempt. (LAU-106 is the AIM-7/-120 launcher)
thx
they even stripped secondary hydraulic systems out of it!
eek
Good to see on a snow day!
4:39 Get Pinkie Pie, she can.
Can't wait to get the Strike Eagle, it's gonna be a beast. And probably the best plane for a second account to run a second seat in Veeeee Orre.
Wow!
I wonder what would happen if you did this in the F-14B
Tried but F14 did very badly for some reason.
That's higher than captain Kirk went with Bezos. You should get a pin also.
They go to 105km (350,000ft). Just a little bit higher.
@@Reactordrone
Google says we're both close. 250,000 feet. But I still would give him an Astronaut pin.
Cool video but wouldn't it be possible to reduce the amount of fuel to match the weight of the original aircraft and then just use infinite fuel? I guess this wouldn't allow for the effect of the weight reducing as the fuel is burnt but would be interesting to see the difference in result.
yeah the empty streak eagle was somewhere around 24000 lb. They had fairly conservative fuel margins because they weren't sure how long it'd take.
How about the same goal, with a new twist. Destroy a satellite while your up there. F15/F22.
Another mission comes to mind. CAS, Khe Sahn, Vietnam. Defend the base perimeter and drop supplies on the runway. Helos, Transport planes, A10s...
Pity the guys who make DCS don't give the option to recreate an aircraft that can duplicate feats like this! Still, impressive video gents. Maybe you could do Project High Jump (the F4 time-to-climb record that preceded the Eagle's)...ooh, or how about Project Sage Burner? The low altitude-to-speed record (also in a Phantom).
They could take this excercise and tweak their flight model though
Could you do another time to climb record - 94s to 10,000ft for the F8F Bearcat in 1946? You could try using different WW2 aircraft.
Cool!
Is there a NASA skin for the F-14? Look that up if you havent seen it, its actually pretty sexy lookin with orange tails and the worm!
"To slip the surly bonds of Earth"
next is to run the same flightplan as eagle vs tomcat
n1! Gonna try that tomorrow too.... 100k feet, sweet :-)
I can't wait to get the EF module; it might do even better!
agree
Luv the Streak Eagle. Luv yer having a go. U do get one WR, fastest synchro pair to 100kft!
lol
Holy crap that Sonic noin IS loud on real Life...on morning faf made identification flight over my house supersonic... I thought that some idiot was playing with dynamite until i heard afterburners.
And that roar is also a good giveaway. Took a second or two to recognise it after double blast. F18s at 30k maybe?
Great job guys!
Yeah, it's living at the USAF MUSEUM in Dayton, Ohio USA.
thx
I've seen the actual Streak Eagle on display in the USAF museum in Dayton, Ohio.
cool
Now, do it with a Viggen! It's said that it's top speed is not known, as it runs out of fuel before that...
although the F-15C is heavier than the F-15A, the -220 engine is more powerful in the supersonic regime. Unlike the "streak flanker" the streak eagle didn't have hot-rodded engines and if I recall correctly it was carrying some hydraulic battery equipment for safety after the engines inevitably flamed out
that thing was stripped to within an inch of its life!
I wanted to see the dead stick landing from 100,000ft.
Do an SU-57 versus six A-10s!!
@Drew Smith ...and?
Should've used the Streak Eagle skin on the User Files! 😉
Oh dang I didn't see it :(
OK.. this was actually really cool! Can't wait to go try this myself tonight! :P
So I flew this yesterday with an F-15C completely stripped and 5,200 pounds of fuel. I was able to get to 101,456' but it also took a bit longer.. Still a fun flight.
one of my favorite things to do in game servers is get up that high to mess with the F16s that can see me on data link
God, I love you glorious bastards!
Cap this would be a very fun challenge to do for every plane (mod or not would be your choice). You can make this into a series just like the carrier series.
To make it fun we really need the real life data like we had for this one, not much of that date about. I have found F-4, F-104, F-15, Mig-21 only.
impressive modelling by dcs
i can do this same thing in the mirage, simple reach mach 2 at alt, then do a straight vertical climb from like 40k feet, very gentle pul back on that, like 3 or so gs only, and you will reach very high alts
my personal record is 107k feet
Aren't they called a "zoom climb"?
@@mrkeogh yes
Sadly Mirage is about 20-25% too powerful at altitude in game. Not sure when they're going to address this.
This was later beaten by the P-42, a specially-prepped version of the Su-27 in th 80's and 90's.
Breaking the records 13 years later is a bit meh! Kinda seems like records like this aren't worth pursuing any more. There's probably not much to be learned from them to justify the expense 🤷♂️
@@mrkeogh then why did no one beat the MiG-25 time-to-climb or absolute altitude records? How many decades has it been since?
And its not like the F-15 beat records that were set the day before, is it?
Jeez, your entire comment is pure BS
@@deanboy2416 Well, TBH, the gov philosophy has become a lot more secretive about this sort of thing. So whether or not it can be done, they just wouldn't ever say so. At least that's my general impression. I suspect that if it was the same mentality with people in charge that where in during the 70s, we would be going to those russian tank biathlons or at least hosting our own western equivalent.
P-42... The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything :D
@@CakePrincessCelestia xD lol
Hey cap, not sure if you did a video on it already or not but I recently heard of a guy named Robbie Risner who apparently attempted to push his wingman back to base when he ran out of fuel. Might be fun to try out in dcs
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I wonder what the point was of that immelman. Im guessing it had more to do with airspace restrictions than actually being efficient?
It might be down to gravity drag, something that is more often a concern with rocket launches. You really don't want to spend time and energy fighting gravity instead of efficiently gaining speed and altitude. The Immelman may have been the most time-efficient manoeuvre to get up to altitude for the zoom climb.
@@mrkeogh gravity loss with rockets is wasted fuel fighting gravity instead of climbing or accelerating. It happens when you accelerate a rocket (too) slowly Why would you do that deliberately when the only point is gaining altitude asap and you can fly horizontally or vertically or anything in between?
@@vertigo2893 Time spent flying horizontally is not time spent climbing. The maneuver is almost certainly based on their math for the optimal engine performance at specific speeds and altitudes with all possible extraneous maneuvers cut.
@@ColonelSandersLite That doesnt explain anything. The F15 can climb up vertically, or it can fly horizontally or ANYTHING inbetween. Im sure they calculated the optimal speed and attitude at various altitudes to maximize thrust and minimize drag and gravity losses, but why would you want to fly inverted and roll the thing?
@@vertigo2893
Ok, so the flight plan is this -
1. Fly level to accelerate to the point where you're getting maximum thrust (about mach 0.65)
2. Pull to straight vertical for maximum climb.
3. As speed increases, lift generated by the wings increases so you'll want to take advantage of that. Go to new pitch for shallow climb at something like 15 degrees pitch.
And this is the part where you're confused. You're at straight vertical and want to go to your new pitch. There are 3 options.
A. Continue to pull 2.5 gs. for 25 seconds to the new pitch.
B. Push -2.5gs for 25 seconds to the new pitch.
C. Use rudder to yaw the plane to the new pitch.
Option C will take forever, induce craploads of drag, and also be seriously uncomfortable for the pilot. It's not a real option, it's just included for the sake of completeness.
Option B? Well it's noteworthy that the human limit for negative g is in the -2 to -3 range, varying by person. Going to -2.5g at all is pretty dangerous. Would anybody be willing to stay there for a full 25 seconds? Even if the particular pilot is willing, would the team as a whole be willing to risk the pilot and aircraft like that? The answer is probably not.
Option A is a good choice. Turns out, it's the one they actually used too.
You started with a couple thousand pounds more weight but they would have had more fuel for the return trip. That may have balanced things out more than you think. Not having the full AB weighed down start probably hurt a lot.
Yeah but what about a C model with 229s 👀👀👀
I was working at P&W in WPB and one day (1987) they showed us the video of the Streak Eagle....very impressive. The fellow seated to my right mentioned that at that time his room-mate was responsible for the engine trims and I offered that they looked 'pretty crispy...what kind of TBO did they have'? "Single digits' he replied with a smile. So...you'll never be able to match the performance in the sim unless you can turn up the power beyond stock numbers. They were kind of cheating when doing the 'time to climb' records...but everyone did this sort of thing, just don't expect normal run-o-the-mill aircraft to match it.
Does DCS have passenger jets, or is it military only?
I don't think Concorde could beat the F-15, but she would have made a lot more noise trying . . .
Mil only that you can fly.
im gonna have a go at this in the f14b, might put inifinate fuel on though to simulate SOME weight loss, not gonna get it anywhere near 32 k lb though lol
Not same engines. F-15A ran F-100-PW-100
DCS F-15C has F-100-PW-220
-220 added digital controls to improve reloability (no more compressor stalls) but derated to max 98% rpm and reduced maximum thrust.
the streak eagle in particular was uprated to 102% trim (equivalent to V-max switch)
thx
I believe the engines on the streak eagle were not standard, they were tuned to run on the ragged edge and take advantage of the cold weather. So it likely they also had more thrust
It had the external petals on the nozzles to reduce drag by 3%, but as far as I know the engines were standard. The decisive factor was the reduction in weight.
that's cheating surely?
@@andreabindolini7452 Cant remember where I read it, but if I remember correctly the fuel trim was more aggressive. Done to get max performance at the expense of longevity, part of the reasons they needed the cold dense air. Remember production F-100’s are designed to last 1000hrs between overhauls, and operate in a wide range of conditions. These did not need to.
Just as an example, the F-135 in the F-35 made 56,000+ lbs of thrust on the thrust stand during testing. But is rated at 43,000 in the production model.
The MiG -25 that still holds the absolute altitude record was heavy modified as well. Those were not production engines. It also had thrusters for directional control... because the air is not dense enough for the airfoils to be effective.
This would be an immense tatical move in a competition
You would get shot down well before you got anywhere near that altitude.
@@rubiconnn really, what if the closure distance was 200 miles? Main task force scaning down whilst cruising at 40,000ft... distracted at lower targets.
Amazing game physics
ED! Full fidelity Eagle pleeeeease! 🤞🤞
can you try to beat this record using The MIG-25 FOXBAT
Oh goody another video
wouldn't a smaller G pull have been better for a heaver airframe at the start?
and also why are the flaps deployed?
good attempt otherwise
We did some tests and actually found better performance at all alts with flaps on Auto.
Cap, can you and the team please redo this with a modded F-15 with the actual weight and flight characteristics? I would love to see who could get the closest to the real time, or see if any of you could actually beat it!
Cap with due regards i request you to do the reenactment of the indo-pak wars since the su-30mki is in the game now
rgr
@@grimreapers With the Astra mK1(kudos to the mod) and Aim-120C5 both being FOX-3s and having very similar range it will get very tactical very fast
You should performed this test from an aircraft carrier to help negate the one ton of extra weight. It would help your heavier jet accelerate to speed faster.
cant do that with an f15
@@Scoobydcs Of course. Thank you.
@@damonried1720 you gave me the idea to do that with an f14 though lol almost empty the a weighs 42k lb and the b weighs 44k!
Here comes the SR-71 "See ya later boys!" Lol
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Great video as usual!! I wonder, recently each time I'm breaking hard to the right or left with the F-15 (with 500 knots), the wings breaks.
It's a bug?
Thanks!
Sounds like something they've added in recently.
@@grimreapers Yes, it's never been before.
The Streak Eagle didn't even have a speed brake or paint.
wow
Can anyone explain to me how doing a fancy Immelmann helped them climb faster?
I have no idea
Hi if it ever comes into the Sim. you should try the English Electric Lightning. I have read good things about it's performance.
Do you have specs on the computer that you use to host your large battles?
It's a donated machine in USA, all I know is it's a top of the range gaming machine.