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  • @JCBudro16
    @JCBudro16 9 місяців тому +4

    Excellent video. Glad I found it even nine years later. One thing that might be worth adding is that it's usually good to let the scope warm up for 20-30 minutes before performing the calibration.

  • @LostDeadSoul
    @LostDeadSoul 6 років тому +16

    Nice! You gave me the courage to try to adjust my 44 year old 25MHz oscilloscope. The lines are beginning to oscillate in intensity and both X and Y axis amplitudes are off by 1cm.
    It was last calibrated in 30/01-85 and was due next 30/01-86 which is three months before i was born. Funny :)

  • @chongli297
    @chongli297 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video, thanks Alan! I gotta say, what a lovely scope that is. Nice sharp trace, very clean and organized controls, what a beauty!

  • @BM-jy6cb
    @BM-jy6cb 2 роки тому

    W2aew - your content is top notch. I really don't understand why the UA-cam algorithms constantly push celebrity court cases or how much can you eat challenges when this sort of subject matter is all I ever watch!

  • @964tractorboy
    @964tractorboy 7 років тому +1

    Very clear and instructive as always. A process I'd never previously considered to be so involved, if indeed I considered it at all. Thank you.

  • @samba3403
    @samba3403 10 років тому

    Finally a guy who talks electronics, grate set of videos that i have seen so far, keep up the good work.

  • @thats2kewl
    @thats2kewl 7 років тому +6

    Such a good (and useful) video...I really appreciate the way you explain the steps you take. Presentation is so clear and informative. Thanks so much!!

  • @KX36
    @KX36 10 років тому +3

    I like this video, watching every adjustment come back in gives me the feeling that all is right with the world... :)

  • @das250250
    @das250250 7 років тому +1

    Beautiful work , i didn't realise the steps were so many in a simple scope. Also , what a great educational process building such a scope would be .

  • @gixerags750
    @gixerags750 Рік тому +1

    I have watched this over 20 times...such a brilliant informative how to
    Most 20 -25mhz CRT oscilloscopes look they are the Pintek chassis, I have seen, my Telinstruments, Sony, even the Hitachi V20, look the same, they all seem to havea common REAR panel , connectors
    The Heath 4552 service manual is easily available on the Web, unfortunately my Telinstruments TI5252 was not.

    • @gixerags750
      @gixerags750 Рік тому

      Hi Alan, would there be any reason to or not to replace the Electrolytic capacitors before this calibration procedure,? It's just I plan on following this video and would like to replace caps while it open.
      Sorry to be a pain
      Cheers

  • @pa4tim
    @pa4tim 8 років тому +6

    Nice information, like allways, with sound advise, brings me back to my first serious scope cal, a Tek 465. I got it right but it took a lot off time (like 15 hours or so) and I learned a lot from it, and for most that you first have to check if you understand every step and have all the gear needed. Missing one instrument can screw up the whole operation.
    I really learned that when I calibrated a 1ns pulse generator with a 150 MHz scope. It looked perfect until I got a 1GHz scope and had to do it all over again. You often need better testgear as the gear you are adjusting or repairing.
    Some tips for your viewers if you do not mind:
    Do not think to light about calibration and adjustments of test gear, it is very easy to make it (much) worse. A tip I learned long ago from an experienced meterologist, is to mark the settings of adjustable components before you adjust them, so that if you screw up, you can get it back to its old state. A picture will help too.
    What I sometimes do is making a few high res pictures and marking all adjustment points with their name/number and value and in more complex steps the number/paragraph that step has in the manual. That can speed up things a lot and forces you to read and understand every step in the process before you start.
    Do not do partial calibrations unless you really know what you are doing and not because you do not understand a step in the process. It is very easy to make it worse.
    Back then it was a hobby (it still is) . Nowadays I make my living from repairing test-instruments and calibration gear. I do no calibrations (not my idea of fun ;-) ) but depending on the work I did, I sometimes have to calibrate it, or at least check it after repair.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому +1

      +pa4tim Good tips - thank you!

  • @paultopolski6595
    @paultopolski6595 10 років тому +1

    Alan,
    Superb video as always. This is a perfect warm up for calibrating a couple of Heathkit scopes, an IO-4510 and IO-4550 as well as an Elenco 1325. All together, I spent $65 for the three of them a various ham fests. These scopes will be good practice because four Tek 7000 mainframes and about twenty plug-ins will follow. Thanks for the great work.
    Thanks,
    Paul, W1SEX

  • @Xanthyn
    @Xanthyn 6 років тому +1

    Even though I have a different scope, this was a helpful intro to help me understand what I'm looking for when calibrating my own.

  • @jonyheringer3150
    @jonyheringer3150 5 років тому

    This video was a great class for those looking for such important technical information! Thank you very much for recording your work; because that helped me a lot. Be able to see; how to make. Simply amazing!

  • @grahambambrook313
    @grahambambrook313 5 років тому +1

    Another great tutorial video, Alan.
    Many thanks, it gave me the confidence to attempt a rudimentary calibration on a Tek 7403N I just managed to resuscitate and save from the scrap yard!! :-)

  • @olafwagner
    @olafwagner 5 років тому

    This is a brilliant video, thank you. I just purchased a GoldStar OS-7020 scope, and I will go through exactly this process (as soon as I can track down an elusive service manual)

  • @SIXSTRING63
    @SIXSTRING63 5 років тому +2

    I have the same scope branded with the Elenco name. Came with my NRI home study course in the early 90’s. Still use it. Works great. Maybe I’ll go through it and touch it up a bit.

  • @davecc0000
    @davecc0000 10 років тому +3

    Another great vid Alan.
    Many of have heard of cal'ing a scope; I for one didn't know how involved it was...
    Thanks!

  • @Valenorious
    @Valenorious 10 років тому +3

    Probably important to emphasize is that it needs time to warm up and settle before you make calibration adjustments. But that goes for use as well.

  • @88merc300e
    @88merc300e 10 років тому

    Very good info. Why would anyone dislike this? Thanks Alan.

  • @stevescnc8155
    @stevescnc8155 10 років тому +1

    Great video, very knowledgeable and concise information. Helps understanding about calibration and adjustments that can be made.

  • @Wil_Bloodworth
    @Wil_Bloodworth 8 місяців тому +1

    This is excellent! I wish I could find the equivalent calibration procedure for my Sencore SC3100. I'm not sure those instructions exist.

  • @bobjacko5658
    @bobjacko5658 8 років тому

    Enjoyed your calibrate video and it pointed out how I do, indeed, have to find the instruction manual for my NRI model 2500 scope. Many of your other videos, however, are also helping me out to learn how to operate the scope.

  • @paulmorrison1821
    @paulmorrison1821 5 років тому +1

    Great instructional video - thanks so much for taking the time and sharing your knowledge.

  • @pcrengnr1
    @pcrengnr1 2 роки тому

    Alan thx for sharing. As for the transient response adjustment, the picture in the manual shows ringing and you even commented about the ringing. I like what you ended up with, a nice square wave with no ringing. I'm with you, if I could've adjusted it so that I didn't get ringing but got the squarest wave I could I would've too.
    I wonder why they suggested adjusting the transient response so that ringing was present. By the book a little bit of ringing does give the widest bandwidth before falloff like a Chebyshev filter. However, the downside is the time domain suffers. I still like your solution.
    Again, thx for sharing.

  • @vhm14u2c
    @vhm14u2c 6 років тому

    The 60mhz scope I just bought used is a bk precision 2160a, has almost identical controls on front panel, including component test on bottom row. Bk did not provide much for calibration in their manual. I have found that hk so-4552 manual with the specific adjustments you done. I’m not going to do any, but may check references from the manual if I find problems down the road. Thanks for sharing!

  • @clems6989
    @clems6989 9 років тому +2

    the first job I had on a bench, was equipped with one of these scopes. I realize they were rebranded under different names sometimes. But my goodness just Imagine how many of these scopes were sold to ametuers, hobbyist, schools etc. And how many good techs were self taught using these. Back in the day a 20 or 25 Mhz dual trace scope was the entry level scope, And extremely useful even to this day..I really enjoyed watching you calibrate this old girl...Sorta like watching someone do a tune up on a 57 Belair. .......lol....N8QZH

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      +Matthew Miller Yes, I've seen this same scope with at least 4 different nameplates on it. A nice, very useful, basic scope.

  • @dri50
    @dri50 6 років тому

    I just bought a Heath IO-4550 for hobby use and audio work. It's not coming with manuals, had to buy the assembly and user manual separately. I would think a quick inspection of the power supply electrolytics will be my first step before attempting calibration. Thanks for the video.

  • @dave-d
    @dave-d 7 років тому

    Thank you. I am in the midst of an HP Agilent 1740A mega repair / refurb and have all this to come. Still chasing vertical jitter in this one. The gremlin has hidden itself well in this one!

  • @blaaaaaaarghable
    @blaaaaaaarghable 10 років тому +34

    You forgot to mention maintaining the correct tongue angle when making adjustments :p

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому +26

      Oh, well that goes without saying! Why do you think you never really see me on camera!

    • @dave-d
      @dave-d 7 років тому +2

      There's a channel for that!

    • @boonedockjourneyman7979
      @boonedockjourneyman7979 7 років тому +1

      The only person I know who has the angle problem has a whole ton more in other areas.

    • @sbybill3271
      @sbybill3271 5 років тому

      :)

  • @igsaturation
    @igsaturation 10 років тому +2

    Nice work. That Heath scope looks almost new. Aside, the quality of the documentation are pretty rare to find in modern gear. It does serve to warn others looking to get an analog scope of unknown status over eBay that getting the parts replaced in one thing, adjusting it to factory performance is another.

  • @mdzacharias
    @mdzacharias 10 років тому +3

    Just a thought - since I work on stereo equipment for a living, I think I would do the ch. 2 vertical sensitivity adjustment by overlaying it over ch.1 (after it has been adjusted) and adjusting so that the two channels match as closely as possible. Just my .02...

    • @lwilton
      @lwilton 3 роки тому

      I've tried that, and it doesn't work as well as you would think. The problem is the trace lines are wider than the gradicule lines, and they are the same color, so you usually end up with the second channel being worse calibrated than the first channel. It is easier to do both per book, then A/B compare the results with the same signal fed to both channels, and make any tweaks that might be required to make them exactly match, if they will. Since it is an analog machine, they won't always match perfectly.

  • @brikaf6001
    @brikaf6001 Рік тому +1

    Excellent

  • @anthonyroby296
    @anthonyroby296 10 років тому +1

    Very tinely since I just picked up a Tek 2225. I haven't played around much with it yet to see if it's in need of calibrating.

  • @magdalenoarellano1841
    @magdalenoarellano1841 9 років тому +4

    otro gran video de mister muy instructivo y motivacional muchas gracias

  • @TonyButchT
    @TonyButchT 10 років тому

    Excellent lesson all around! Looks like it was fun to kick back and tweak "ol' betsy"! Actually, this procedure is up next after a Eico 460 rebuild!

  • @rostlaur
    @rostlaur 10 років тому

    If your videos get the merit that they deserve I would suggest that your introduction salute the viewers from the 22nd century and after ;^)

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому

      Thanks! But really wonder how much of this will be relevant in the next century...

  • @billbates7810
    @billbates7810 Рік тому

    Really nice video, very well put together!

  • @Kennynva
    @Kennynva 8 років тому

    I have the problem at 18:51 in the video..where the vertical pips are not in alignment the further you get from left to right...I can find no adjustment in this old scope (Hitachi V-302)...what is the pot for this adjustment called in your scope..Thanks for all the fine work you do...I can tho turn the SWP VAR to get them to line up...

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      It looks like (from the schematic in the manual on Electrotanya) that the calibration adjustment for sweep speed might likely be a variable capacitor called CV510 shown on page 26.

    • @Kennynva
      @Kennynva 8 років тому

      Strangely enough it was a pot not a VC and it was called (X1 H GAIN). I hate moving things to find out which one to adjust but sometimes you have to take the chance..Im going by a V-202 calibration..and seems close..just different VR and CV numbers...

  • @thecow2756
    @thecow2756 4 роки тому

    this scope has been also sold as teklab osc-25 and mine has a issue where the up/down position is faulty on both channels and has to be set fully to one end to show on the screen so need to do checks on where the fault is at

  • @tubical71
    @tubical71 10 років тому +1

    Thanx for this one, as i now know that i do not have to open my "new" "Vuko VKS220-16" scope to rotate the CRT for an all flat trace, as the little trimpot, you´re revering to at 06:40 has only "TR" written on the silkscreen of that vuko, and it´s just next to intensity, therefore i thought this is to trim the intensity. Now i know better. As that "TR" is AKA trace rotation.
    Thanx a lot for this, rather tiny but very useful, hint, as it prevents me to work that scope CRT :)

    • @johnnaggo4002
      @johnnaggo4002 10 років тому

      I have the same scope. For the analog part I can use the appropriate Hameg manual, but do you have any info on the digitizing section?

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 10 років тому

      I got the whole documentation from vuko, a big solid A4 letter folder, about 300+ pages....

    • @krisztianandre
      @krisztianandre 10 років тому

      TubiCal do you know how to display the stored waveforms, or you can only access the memory trough the gpib interface?

  • @Kennynva
    @Kennynva 8 років тому

    At 9:35..which pot, or should I say what is the adjustments pot name being made to make it stay the same when a and b are in the ADD mode..???

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      According to the manual, that would be VR343.

    • @Kennynva
      @Kennynva 8 років тому

      i meant on any scope what is the adjustment name...I am the one email you about the manual on the scope Hitachi V-302. Like one adjustment is the gain...another is the astigmatism...which name of the adjustment, adjust the difference when on ADD, or DUAL..thanks for your help..

  • @boonedockjourneyman7979
    @boonedockjourneyman7979 7 років тому

    Excellent. Thank you. Why are “experts” unwilling to try things like this?

  • @aposhanski
    @aposhanski 5 років тому

    Hello Alan. My name is Alexander R2DHL. I have got an old Tek 2445b and this is my favourite scope. About a month ago an error appeared: test 4-11 (calibration constant checksum) and everything pointed on a nvram chip NEC D4364C-12LL fault. So I have replaced it with the UT6264CPCL-70LL chip (it has more memory and a litle bit faster). The battery was made in 1988 and there was 3.6 volts on it but I have made a decision to replace it too. Now I need to calibrate my scope. The calibration manual that I have found on internet is not easy to understand because I am doing that for the first time.
    2445b is a pretty common scope but I could not find any video instructions for the calibration procedure. I will be very appreciated if you will help me with my problem.

  • @FullElectronic
    @FullElectronic 8 років тому

    Hi Alan. What is the name of the adjust made at 16:02 where you adjust the wave to zero on the left side of screen? I have a hp1740A in need of this adjustment. My listening in english isn't so good but, you said trigger offset?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      +CYBERRD58 Yes, it is the trigger offset adjustment - it is adjusted with the trigger on AC coupling, trigger level control set to the midpoint, then adjust the trimmer (assuming there is one) so that the signal begins at the middle.

    • @FullElectronic
      @FullElectronic 8 років тому

      Thank you.

    • @FullElectronic
      @FullElectronic 8 років тому

      +w2aew Thank you.

  • @judges69
    @judges69 8 років тому

    Thank you for this video, its just a hobby for me and you helped a lot.

  • @gixerags750
    @gixerags750 2 роки тому

    Hi , i could really use your advise, my channel 1 is receiving a 1khz signal but my vertical position control will not bring the trace high enough to centre the trace.. channel 2 works fine.. it is a a Telinstruments TI 5252 25MHZ scope, .
    The correct waveform is there but is hanging way below the bottom of the scrren..very frustrating.
    Cheers

  • @tucker934
    @tucker934 3 роки тому

    Just gotten a Hitachi V-209 20MHz, and I can’t seem to find the calibration manual/instructions for it. The V-212 is also A 20MHz scope and there’s one for it, but coming up dry on the V-209 any help?

  • @GaryGrove
    @GaryGrove Рік тому

    Enjoyed your video Alan! It does look strange to see you calibrating a unit that is less than 1 Gig!! 73's , Gary Grove

  • @MnACreations
    @MnACreations 9 років тому

    That was very informative. Thank you for creating the video.

  • @321reh
    @321reh 10 років тому +1

    Thanks Alan for another Great Video!!

  • @jorgesantos1225
    @jorgesantos1225 10 років тому +1

    Great video! Thank you.

  • @yurin5227
    @yurin5227 9 років тому +1

    Hi, I like your video, very easy to follow. I've got a bit of a problem, wondering if you could help. I picked up the same scope off an auction, but there's an electrical problem I can't quite track down. Is it possible to get a scan of the electrical diagram that came with it? Mine came with no manuals. I'd really appreciate it.

  • @Nox665
    @Nox665 4 роки тому

    18:30 what is that "time mark" on the screen? Just a short pulse?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  4 роки тому

      It's an "exponential fall" waveform available on many arbitrary function generators. This is very similar the waveform used on many legacy time-mark generators. Any periodic waveform (square, etc.) can be used as long as it's frequency accuracy is sufficiently better than the scope's timebase accuracy.

  • @jimis04
    @jimis04 4 роки тому

    Congrats! And liked! I have the same exact oscilloscope but as a brand it writes MiteK mk4300..im so happy that the only complete oscilloscope calibration on UA-cam is on my oscilloscope... Must say that the insides look completely the same as well. just the operation led is red on mine, not green but when possible I will change it because it's annoying and looks awkward

  • @tanukicyber
    @tanukicyber 10 років тому +2

    Thanks for the informative video.
    What did you use as you signal sources? I have a Tektronix 465, like you too. I wish you had done that scope, but I'm not complaining! It's nice to see what you had to do, so I'm aware of what is coming down the road for me and my oscilloscopes.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому +2

      tanukicyber I used a Tek AFG3252 - fast and accurate enough for these old analog scopes.

    • @BruceNitroxpro
      @BruceNitroxpro 7 років тому

      make sure you recap it first... and test the power supplies... making sure you use 117 vac through a good isolation transformer at test time

  • @JoaoFerreira-bi8wt
    @JoaoFerreira-bi8wt 10 років тому

    Is the ripple at 11:38 normal, when you use the vertical magnification? I also get it on a second-hand analog oscilloscope that I bought.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому

      For the most part, yes. This is a very sensitive setting, and the scope is picking all sorts of noise because the case is off of it.

    • @JoaoFerreira-bi8wt
      @JoaoFerreira-bi8wt 10 років тому

      ***** Thanks! I thought it might be out of calibration.

  • @joeobrien1888
    @joeobrien1888 8 років тому

    Alan, this is FANTASTIC. About the best I've seen in the way of calibration, you sound like you might be a teacher.
    I worked with these scopes for about 25 years (DEC) and have the exact one you use in this video. Do you know where I can get the Service
    Manual? I've looked, but it's pretty hard to find.
    Thank you again for such a good and professional video.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      +Joe O'Brien I'm not sure where to find the manual. I happen to have gotten one with the scope.

  • @worroSfOretsevraH
    @worroSfOretsevraH 6 років тому

    Hi Alan. I have a 20MHz GW-Instek GOS-620 scope, but unable to find a calibration manual for it. I saw on Tek's website that they perform such calibration, so I assume they have the manuals. I was wondering if maybe you have one, or can get one somehow?
    Would be of great help, so I can finally calibrate my oscilloscope.
    Thank you.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому

      I"m sorry, but I don't have access to service department documentation. From a teardown video I saw on UA-cam, this scope looks to be easily servicable, and the trimmers on the two boards look to be clearly labeled. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out a bulk of the calibration steps.

    • @worroSfOretsevraH
      @worroSfOretsevraH 6 років тому

      Yes you are right. I've already done half of it, but still having problems with the add-balance adjustment. No matter how I set it, there is always some error when I switch to ADD.
      Thank you.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому

      I don't know about you, but I very rarely (if ever) use the ADD mode except for the very occasional use of ADD INVERT to get a measurement across a component. So, I wouldn't sweat it too much. I saw that Elektrotanya has the schematics for this scope, but no calibration instructions. Might be worth writing GW-Instek through their site to see if they can provide this for you.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому

      Here is the calibration adjustment instructions for that scope.
      drive.google.com/open?id=1YHxSVJvriqylNcCsGmSWlb5qIdEffw2x

    • @worroSfOretsevraH
      @worroSfOretsevraH 6 років тому

      Wow! Very kind of you.
      I was trying to contact the manufacturer, but received no response .
      This world would be a much better place with more people like you.
      73.

  • @Roy_Tellason
    @Roy_Tellason 4 роки тому

    Speaking of having the proper documentation, can you point me to where I can get a service manual for my Tek 2246?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  4 роки тому

      Here are two sites, one is actually on tek.com:
      www.tek.com/manual/2246-service-manual
      w140.com/tekwiki/images/c/c6/2246_service.pdf

  • @Giovanni2862
    @Giovanni2862 4 роки тому

    Could you help me, what instruments are needs to calibrate a Tektronix 2465 ?

  • @carlapeterchris
    @carlapeterchris 9 років тому

    I have the exzact same Heath 4552 oscilloscope. Where would I get the service manual for it?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      I'm not sure - the user manual (with the calibration info) came with mine.

  • @thrill4kill143
    @thrill4kill143 7 років тому

    What signal source did u used to "cal" bandwidth, response time and time base?

  • @gixerags750
    @gixerags750 2 роки тому

    Love your channel..is there any way of making this procedure less dangerous? eg an isolation transformer etc? or are the CRO votages , unavoidable just way too high?
    Thanks in advance.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  2 роки тому +1

      The CRT voltage is very high, not much you can do other than use extreme caution.

    • @gixerags750
      @gixerags750 Рік тому

      ​@w2aew can this calibration process still be partially successful by skipping the high voltage crt step?
      73

  • @gwell12
    @gwell12 9 років тому

    I have the exact same model oscilloscope. & I cannot find any documentation on how to calibrate this unit. Where can I obtain such information?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      I'm not sure where to find it - the manual I used came with the scope when I bought it.

    • @gwell12
      @gwell12 9 років тому

      ***** I don't know if this is asking too much, but i would gladly pay you for a PDF version of the calibration section. I bought this model second hand off of Craigslist.

    • @alanwolke6253
      @alanwolke6253 9 років тому

      Email address?

  • @josealfredobh
    @josealfredobh 5 років тому

    Hi, is there any procedure for checking the calibration status of the analog oscilloscope, without disassembling it ?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому +1

      You basically have to run through a performance verification, which is putting known signals into the scope and observing if the scope is displaying their properties properly.

  • @MikeRR142
    @MikeRR142 6 років тому

    Thanks for this great video! Very helpful. Was wondering about the 50ohm terminator, why was that used? Didn’t see where that was required in the video shots of the manual you were using. Is it because you are not using a probe but directly connecting to the waveform generator?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому +1

      I used it to minimize reflections and distortion from my signal generator, especially on the square wave signal.

  • @FullElectronic
    @FullElectronic 8 років тому

    I just need to know what nomenclature HP uses for trigger offset.

  • @MrDIMITRIOUifyable
    @MrDIMITRIOUifyable 8 років тому

    i did find your video very interested , . i do have an oscilloscope in my position the DM64 Analogue storage oscilloscope i have not a clue how to get it working for so long . i do have all manual seen your video i am going to have a go

  • @TheHarpanOnly
    @TheHarpanOnly 4 роки тому

    Do you have digital copy of that scope? I have an old oscilloscope, not same brand, but has very similar button layout.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  4 роки тому +1

      Here is the manual I used: drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Kvsw95jCqITG9XcDc0QnAwbHM/view?usp=sharing

    • @TheHarpanOnly
      @TheHarpanOnly 4 роки тому

      @@w2aew thank you for your kindly reply and support.
      Hope the best for you. DE YD2BLH

    • @TheHarpanOnly
      @TheHarpanOnly 4 роки тому

      Your schematic is 99% identical with my oscilloscope. And I successfully repair it becausd that schematic. I just did it.
      Laat night I want to calibrate my oscilloscope, and I am shocked to realize that the pcb layout is 100% different.
      :D

  • @billwilliams6338
    @billwilliams6338 5 років тому

    w2aew, any reasons why the vertical sync is reference to the power line frequency at 60hz? I'm not sure what the advantages are that the vertical sync is reference to the power line frequency at 60hz. The vertical oscillator and horizontal oscillators +VCC is not at +9vdc and +12vdc like most common oscillators circuits, any reasons why they use a much high +VCC voltage for the V&H oscillators in oscilloscopes? in the XY mode it turns OFF the V&H oscillators and the XY deflection amplifiers need a voltage at the Oscopes input channels. The XY Deflection amplifiers output a "very high current" to the V&H deflection Yokes to the CRT which bends steers the electron beam?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому

      I don't know what "vertical sync" you are referring to, with respect to 60Hz, in an oscilloscope. Older service grade oscilloscope do have a SYNC control instead of a trigger, but it is typically used to pick-off a portion of the input signal and then try to "injection lock" the horizontal oscillator. These scopes have the option to switch the SYNC to the 60Hz line frequency - which can be useful when looking at things that are related to the line frequency such as linear power supply ripple.
      Oscilloscopes don't have vertical oscillators, as far as I know.
      The horizontal oscillator in an old service grade recurrent sweep scope, or the Sweep Generator in a more modern triggered sweep scope, ultimately has to feed the horizontal amplifier and driver. Depending on the design, these circuit may need a higher drive voltage than a 9 or 12V powered circuit can provide. The X and Y deflection amplifiers generate the high VOLTAGE necessary to drive the deflection plates in the oscilloscope. TVs use magnetic deflection using coils on the yoke, steering the beam magnetically. Oscilloscopes generally use deflection plates, steering the beam by the electric field between the plates.

    • @billwilliams6338
      @billwilliams6338 5 років тому

      @@w2aew thanks for the help, what is the Common general "reference frequency" for the Horizontal oscillator in Oscilloscopes? The horizontal oscillator is sync to what frequency in oscilloscopes? if oscilloscopes don't have a vertical oscillator how does it draw the vertical images which would be a voltage waveform on the oscilloscope? The Time base control on the oscilloscope is changing the sweep time of the Horizontal oscillator? the Volts per division knob control is changing the oscilloscopes INPUT channel#1 or#2 amplifier, but the output of the Volts per division amplifier is "connected" to the Horizontal oscillator and Vertical Oscillator to draw the waveform on the CRT oscilloscope screen?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому

      @@billwilliams6338 For analog oscilloscopes, there is no "reference frequency" for the horizontal circuit. Only the very basic service-grade scopes (called recurrent sweep scopes) have a horizontal oscillator. This oscillator frequency is adjustable on the front panel. It is not derived from a PLL or syntheziser, so it doesn't have a reference. Triggered sweep scopes don't have a horizontal oscillator, they have a triggered sweep or ramp generator. Again, no reference frequency involved. The timebase control adjusts how fast the ramp voltage goes up (which controls how fast the beam is swept across the screen). No oscillator is needed or used on the Vertical path. The input signal is amplified and applied to the vertical deflection plates to move the beam up/down in proportion to the input voltage.

    • @billwilliams6338
      @billwilliams6338 5 років тому

      @@w2aew thanks for the help, this doesn't make sense to me. Triggered Sweep Oscopes are using what kind of circuit to do the triggered sweep? To do a sweep you would need an oscillator circuit I thought. The timebase control will "change" the times per division giving your more or less cycles of the waveform but you're saying that its only adjusting the triggered sweep circuits ramps PEAK voltage? I would think its adjusting the ramps timing/frequency of the oscillator circuit, not the ramps voltage because you're getting more and less cycles of the waveform from the time per division squares on the Oscope screen so I'm very confused how the ramps voltage would do this.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому

      @@billwilliams6338 In a triggered sweep scope, a triggerable ramp generator is used to move move the beam from left to right on the screen. The horizontal timebase setting controls how quickly or slowly the voltage is ramped, thus controls how quickly the beam is swept from one side of the screen to the other. The peak voltages (starting and ending voltages) are the same regardless of the timebase setting - the timebase setting only controls the speed at which the voltage changes.

  • @kgsalvage6306
    @kgsalvage6306 6 років тому

    Hello , Been watching your videos on oscilloscopes. I just got a Sperry 620C . It's in excellent condition , but I have an issue with the vertical position . It won't come down to center on either channel . It's all towards the top and off the screen . Any thoughts on what to look at . Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому

      I'm not familiar with that scope, but if the vertical offset problem is common to both channels, then you can rule out the vertical preamps. I would focus on the CRT vertical plate amplifier and driver stage.

  • @KungKras
    @KungKras 2 роки тому

    Is it normal for a waveform to change amplitude when turning the position knob or is that an indication of something being broken?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  2 роки тому

      The amplitude shouldn't change when you change the position. In this case, I was adjusting the position at the same time as adjusting the internal trimmer (so that the signal lined up with the graticule).

    • @KungKras
      @KungKras 2 роки тому

      @@w2aew Thank you for the reply! Then I know for sure that my analog oscilloscope must be broken.
      Hopefully it's just a capacitor that's gone bad too.

  • @mikezike1
    @mikezike1 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the wonderful video. Although I have both digital and analog scopes, I really like the analog for the real time stuff. Is there an alternative to the Time Mark generator for calibration?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  4 роки тому

      Any signal or function generator whose frequency accuracy is better than the scope you're calibrating, you can use.

  • @mian2zi3
    @mian2zi3 9 років тому

    Great video, thanks! I just picked up a used Tek analog scope I'm going to try to repair/calibrate. This is my first time working with with a device with high CRT voltages. Where did you get that insulated screwdriver? I'm having trouble finding something spec'ed above 1kV, let alone the voltages in the scope (14kV).

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      mian2zi3 The screwdriver was made completely of plastic - it was purchased as part of an "alignmnent tool kit", typically used to adjust the RF coils in radio and TV receivers.

  • @bigbread9000000
    @bigbread9000000 10 років тому

    I have the same scope with the pintek brand name. I was wondering if there was a calibration for the cal lug?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому

      Yes, there are adjustments for frequency, duty cycle and amplitude. I didn't include them in the video because I didn't want to give the impression that the CAL signal could be used as a cal reference. It's only intended purpose is for probe compensation. Even if it is adjusted properly, it won't be stable enough to be a cal reference signal.

  • @Yazeed834
    @Yazeed834 7 років тому

    A great job as usual!

  • @caulktel
    @caulktel 7 років тому

    Good video Alan, you make it look easy. Do you know where I might find service manuals for my two Kikusui oscilloscopes. I have a COS5040 and a COS5100. They both work great, but could stand to be calibrated.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  7 років тому

      You might try the manufacturer - they will sometimes have the service manuals available for free. You may have to contact their customer service.

  • @scottson2
    @scottson2 8 років тому

    Very informative video.. What brand and model of HV robe is that? I'm looking for one currently.. thanks.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      +scottson2 It's an old RCA WG-297 - it can be seen in more detail in my video on High Voltage Probes:
      ua-cam.com/video/-_LJXKLgIYc/v-deo.html

  • @eldenchang
    @eldenchang 10 років тому

    Hello Alan,
    Thanks for another great video.
    Where can I get these small and nice BNC cables you are using?
    Are they sold like this or did you make them yourself?
    What kind of cable is it?
    It is so nice and thin.
    Thanks

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому

      Those are made using RG-174 type coax. I have made some myself, but I have also purchased several from eBay. I've had good luck with items from this ebay vendor:
      stores.ebay.com/adapterconnectorpigtailcable/

    • @eldenchang
      @eldenchang 10 років тому

      ***** Thanks for the advise of the cables,
      I ordered some from this vendor an hope they are good quality.

  • @allprogear
    @allprogear 7 років тому

    My scope display is not blue on my Heath 4552?What seems to be the problem?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  7 років тому

      My scope has a blue filter on the face of the CRT. It could be that yours is missing.

  • @larryrenaud7462
    @larryrenaud7462 9 років тому

    Hi Alan, again I need your advice. The scope I was restoring looks great using your suggestions, of Windex and alcohol. The potentiometers need cleaning. The scope is a Tektronix 422, some sites say don't use contact cleaner but replace them, that would be cost prohibitive, what is your suggestion.
    Thanks Larry

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      I've always had good luck with careful use of DeOxit.

    • @mrnmrn1
      @mrnmrn1 9 років тому

      +w2aew Hi, I'm new on your channel. I'm not familiar with DeOxit, is it leaves some oil residues, or completely dries out? I have always afraid using oily contact cleaners in oscilloscopes, than later my fears has been confirmed when I saw a busted scope, which had its Y attenuator switches insulted with oily contact cleaner. The oil penetrated inside the compensating trimmer caps, made it impossible to set them properly, as the oil changed their capacitance so much, and probably increased their dissipation factor at high frequencies... Even the probe compensating 1kHz square wave of the built-in generator looks horrible in some ranges, while other ranges are better, but non of them are perfect. In your opinion, all of the trimcaps needs to be replaced in the attenuators, or maybe an ultrasonic cleaner filled with isopropanol would help? This isn't my scope, I've seen it at work, but it's just so sad to see that beautiful 100MHz Iwatsu in that condition...
      I personally have a Leader LBO-508, a HP 1223A, and the Hungarian clone of the Tektronix 647 (EMG 1555 / TR-4653), all of them needs to be calibrated, but I have no calibrated generators, so I will probably do the calibration via comparing the 'scopes under test' to a calibrated scope at my workplace.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому +1

      +mrnmrn1 Yes, you do have to be careful with these cleaners that leave a lubricant. Use them sparingly, avoid overspray, etc. In cases where you have open contacts, using ordinary white paper soaked in isopropyl alchohol used as a wipe on the contacts works well. It is hard to say about the trimcaps. Replacement would likely be best, but tedious and expensive, so it may be worth trying some other methods first.

    • @mrnmrn1
      @mrnmrn1 9 років тому

      +w2aew Thank you for your answer. I used to use the white paper trick on open contacts, but usually I start with dry paper, as it rubs the surface more than isopropanol wetted paper. My second step used to be the isopropanol wetted paper, to remove the rubbed-off oxide residues. If the oxidation is more serious, I used to wet the paper with one of those ugly, oily contact cleaners, as they are great silver oxide solvents. This is the only way I use lubricant type contact cleaners in sensitive equipment. I used to use thick silicone grease to lubricate contacts (especially in potentiometers), as it lasts longer, and doesn't penetrates everything on the board, just stays on the contacts for years, protecting them from oxidation.

  • @seancastledine8983
    @seancastledine8983 6 років тому

    Good video. Nice work.

  • @gregorystevens5173
    @gregorystevens5173 9 років тому

    Hi Alan, thanks for the video and the very clear explanations. I'm somewhat new to the O-scope world and certainly new to scope calibration. I would love to have a generator like a 3252 but it's out of my budget at the moment. Are there less expensive (

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      +Steve Novosel Some of the new generation of inexpensive DDS based signal and function generators would be sufficient for many of the needs of checking/adjusting an old analog scope.

    • @stephennovosel
      @stephennovosel 9 років тому

      How critical is it to find one that includes a pulse generator with 1 ns or less rise time (for purposes of calibration of a 25MHz Heath 4552)?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому +1

      +Stephen Gregory Not super critical given that the scope's risetime is about 14ns. But, I'd want to have a pulse that is a few ns or so. This can easily be done with some fast logic chips. See my video on the Schmitt Trigger oscillator. Note that several viewers have made some boards available.

  • @cesargabrielachar344
    @cesargabrielachar344 6 років тому

    HOLA AMIGO...TENGO UN PINTEK PS1000 ..EL PROBLEMA QUE TENGO ES QUE PERDI UNOS RESISTORES DE LA PARTE DE ALTO VOLTAGE QUE ALIMENTA LA GRILLA Y CATODO..TENDRIAS EL CIRCUITO? SALUDOS ..

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  6 років тому

      I am sorry. I have sold the scope and do not have the circuit schematic.
      Lo siento. He vendido el alcance y no tengo el circuito esquemático

  • @andrewverran3498
    @andrewverran3498 2 роки тому

    For us newbies what is the difference between a Pulse Generator and say a Feeltech FY6800 60mhz signal generator? Could this fy6800 be used for this?
    Cheers

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  2 роки тому +1

      It really depends on whether the Feeltech has sufficient accuracy (better than the scope you're trying to calibrate), frequency range and edge speed (for the BW of the scope you're working on), and the signal fidelity required.

    • @andrewverran3498
      @andrewverran3498 2 роки тому

      @@w2aew much appreciated.

  • @JIMO415
    @JIMO415 5 років тому

    Hello sir, I have watched a few of your scope videos and they are very helpful. I appreciate them. I have been playing with Tektronix 465 units and now have 3 of them. I was able to get the first 2 going and I have a question as I dig into the third regarding the use of an old Triplett 630 VOM to measure the HV supply. It has a 6000 volt range but I was wondering if it has too low of an input impedance to measure the -2450 on the Tek 465 (doing this measurement hands off of course). I understand the HV probe would be the better and safer thing to use here ( I do not have). I was just wondering your thoughts if you care to share. Thank you , Jim

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому

      It should be OK. THe 630 is a 20,000 ohms/volt meter, so it will have about 120Mohms of resistance when used on the 6000 volt setting. Just remember to use the special 6000V jack on the front panel, and be EXTREMELY cautious as this HV can be lethal. Make sure the probes you are using have insulation rated high enough.

    • @JIMO415
      @JIMO415 5 років тому

      @@w2aew Yes and thank you sir. yes, probes are a concern at this point. Jim

    • @JIMO415
      @JIMO415 5 років тому

      Yes sir it worked well, thank you. I was able to confirm complete proper voltage of all supplies. I now just have to find out why there are no traces on either channel and just a dot when beam find is pressed.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  5 років тому

      @@JIMO415 If you can move the dot back and forth with the horizontal position control, then that tells you that the horizontal driver (and likely horizontal amp) are OK, so then focus on the sweep generator circuit. Nice thing is that you have 3 of them - one to test with, one to verify what the waveforms and voltages are supposed to look like, and one to troubleshoot - ideal situation!

    • @JIMO415
      @JIMO415 5 років тому

      @@w2aew yes, I agree at first. As I get into it, I can't duplicate the waveforms in the manual with with what I find on the test points of the working scope. But it was late and I was tired so ? This one will be a learning struggle! Yes, the dot does move horizontal back and forth about an inch as well as the vertical up and down with beam find pushed in. It appears as if each channel has it own sweep generator. So if there is no trace in either channel, it must be a single, common to each channel issue I would think?? we will see eventually I hope.
      Jim

  • @jacekpaw1
    @jacekpaw1 10 років тому

    Fluke 87 input impedance on DCV range is not 1000MOhms, see user manual (page 41). Its input impedance is 10MOhms so according to your measurement high voltage of the scope is out of tolerance.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  10 років тому +3

      Yes, but the HV Probe inserts a 990Mohm resistor in series with the DMM input to make the 100x divide ratio, making the impedance seen at the probe tip equal to 1000Mohm.

    • @Agent24Electronics
      @Agent24Electronics 6 років тому

      I'm confused about this. I notice the manual stated "10 MOhm or higher", and every HV probe I've seen is around 1000 MOhm. If that's not what they expected you to use, then what do they expect?

  • @bigbread9000000
    @bigbread9000000 7 років тому

    I have the Pintek brand of basically the same scope with delay sweep. I have a slightly bent trace from left to right of screen(not the rotation), I think I caused it by not having my probe set at 10x, when I was measuring a higher voltage. I was wondering, is there any adjustment for this or did I damage the plates in the tube?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  7 років тому

      I'm not sure I understand your description of the distortion. But, I will say that it is highly unlikely that you damaged anything - certainly not the plates in the tube unless the scope was dropped.

    • @bigbread9000000
      @bigbread9000000 7 років тому

      Maybe a better description would be to say that when you put the coupling lever in any position the trace has a slight arc(like a rainbow) just ever so slightly though!

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  7 років тому

      Hmmm - I wonder if the chassis is slightly magnetized.

  • @AmirPourkashef
    @AmirPourkashef 5 років тому

    I have a leader lbo 506, Volt/Div are totally jumped up and down. How can i fix them?

    • @alanwolke6253
      @alanwolke6253 5 років тому

      Sounds like dirty contacts on the vertical Attenuator switch. Careful use of appropriate contact cleaner can often be used.

    • @AmirPourkashef
      @AmirPourkashef 5 років тому

      @@alanwolke6253 thank you sir, I'm going to clean it with a non lubricant one and tell the results here. (So there's no trimmer pot to rescale and balance every single volt/divs?)

  • @THESKYMASTER
    @THESKYMASTER 10 років тому

    Very good video, thanks!

  • @HA7DN
    @HA7DN 4 роки тому

    I'm jealous.
    I am in the middle of repairing & calibrating my EMG-4656, 25MHz Hungarian scope (tek copy I think) from the end of the 1970's.
    Let me tell you, your is a hundred times more well built than this piece of mess. Lots of wires, connectors, most of the board is hard to access, darn hard to disassemble... Fortunately, I have a digital copy of the original manual, including the full schematics and calibration instructions.Sadly, the latter are very inaccurate, especially on how to locate the adjustment controls - referring to the wrong picture, etc. Sometimes it's straight wrong, as it mentions to adjust pots in a compleatly unrelated circuit, which will be adjusted again in the relevant section...
    Now I spent a week or so writing down every instruction again with the actual positions of the controls, sometimes traced back from schematic or board layouts, and just figured that I somehow broke the HVPSU while searching for the controls in there. No discharge resistors on any of the caps, so I've put the whole thing aside (also, I'll have an exam in a week), before I dare to open it again...
    I also lack some of the necessary equipment to properly check everything, but I have most of the stuff needed to actually adjust things. I won't ever touch anything in the HVPSU while it's on, for example. I am still pretty sure I can do with the stuff I have, as seeing the mechanical build, this is one of the pieces of eastern tech that is a miracle to work, but unbreakable.

  • @gamingSlasher
    @gamingSlasher 10 років тому

    Top notch! All my thumbs up!

  • @omarcusihuaman4261
    @omarcusihuaman4261 2 роки тому

    hello, im scare to measure the -2kv because i dont have that HV probe, what can i use? (saw diy HV probe but i want to be sure before using that). I have the same scope, i turned on and after 20 seconds hear a POP and saw a light (an arc maybe?). I turn it off. Im recoleting info to start troubleshoot

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  2 роки тому +1

      If you are scared or unsure about measuring the HV, or you don't have the proper probe or equipment, then DON'T DO IT. If you make a mistake, it can be FATAL.

    • @omarcusihuaman4261
      @omarcusihuaman4261 2 роки тому

      @@w2aew what do i need to read in order to understand better how to work with hv in this specific case: troubleshooting an osciloscope. ?
      The only thing i know is to discharge capacitors in hv section. i know also that crt in basic oscilloscopes are not the same as tv CRTs (lower HV and no anode cap). What you did with that HV probe is the thing that intrigues me....maybe if i do one of those HV probes (something like a EICO UNIPROBE) and then managed to make the contact with the test points with some jig, and then turn on the scope to make the mesurement with me standing 2 meters away(im serious), that could be fatal? i mean, -2000volts can make an arc with something metallic 2 meters away?.
      im looking for advice in this specific subjet, oscilloscopes that is. The info aviable on HV is to generic

    • @omarcusihuaman4261
      @omarcusihuaman4261 2 роки тому

      Hello i hope you Can help me. Im thinking in make a measure using the resistor path between -1.9Kv and ground (-1.9Kv is after a 100v zener in series with the -2Kv). Im thinking in making a measurement just using fixed conections to my dmm and put myself away From the circuit to be safe; one of the resistors in the path should read 200v if the -2kv its ok. What do you Think? The flashing/arc/poping keeps happening right now so i need to fix it

  • @jimkirk360
    @jimkirk360 6 років тому

    I'm looking for the manual for a leader lbo-514a if anyone has any info please let me know. Thank you

  • @nhnchannel5426
    @nhnchannel5426 5 років тому

    Can you share this document?
    thank you very much

  • @larryrenaud7462
    @larryrenaud7462 9 років тому

    Great video just picked up this scope, question where did you find the service manual.

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  9 років тому

      The service info is in the back of the users manual that came with the scope.

    • @larryrenaud7462
      @larryrenaud7462 9 років тому

      I got the scope but no service manual, can't find one on line
      73VE3BHM

  • @TheRogerx3
    @TheRogerx3 10 років тому

    Thank you for yet again for an interesting video.. but sadly I wont under take doing mine - High voltage calibration is not for me.. good advice noted.

  • @MrMac5150
    @MrMac5150 10 років тому +1

    Very good.

  • @The8TrackChap
    @The8TrackChap 8 років тому

    Where do you obtain the plastic "insulated" screwdriver?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      Electronics supply shops would often carry "alignment tool sets" which will include non-conductive tools like these.

    • @The8TrackChap
      @The8TrackChap 8 років тому

      Are they ceramic?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      Some are ceramic, others are nylon, delrin or other types of plastic.

    • @mindingosafado
      @mindingosafado 8 років тому

      The 100x high voltage probe, where do you get those from?

    • @w2aew
      @w2aew  8 років тому

      Test equipment dealers still sell them, but I found mine used at a ham radio flea market. You can find many for sale on Ebay too.