@@Jay213s comparing Orihime to Bulma isn't that wild. Neither series would've gone as far as it did without them. Both of their skills are MANDATORY for their crew. Bleach would've ended if it wasn't for Orihime & same with DBZ & Bulma 🤷🏾♂️
Db wouldn't had a single episode without bulma. I dont even consider orihime to be part of the crew. Her only redeeming quality is her healing. Yet if she wasn't the plot in aizens ark. Would've forgotten who she was. All the vice captains were more compelling than her. Bulma's character was built very well. You know her well, and has a character to her. You know her kids, parents, and even ex. I don't remember anything of orihime besides her feelings for ichigo. It's a wild comparison when bulma's character building was all of dragon ball. Then small chunks in dbz.
@Jay213s I think you're underestimating Orihime's significance in the story by saying she's irrelevant besides her healing. That's still a very important role that, like I said, if it wasn't for her, the series would've ended lol that's like saying "Bulma is irrelevant without her brain" lol Orihime is a healer 🤷🏾♂️ if you forget about the healer, that's on you lol she's in every arc of bleach as well
@@Jay213s while Kubo may not focus on her character as much as Toriyama did with Bulma, that doesn't make her any less important of a character. Her role can only be filled by her because there's no one else who can do what she can, just like Bulma
The fact that this debate has been going on for at least a couple of years is crazy there’s a lot of fictional female characters that are not fighters that are still really good character outside the battlefield male or female just because they’re a fighter doesn’t automatically make them a good character
Agreed, being a good Fighter or not doesn't have Anything to do with being well written. But I think it feels like that's the case when (in this case) a Female character that isn't a primary Fighter is mostly thrown into situations Where they have to fight, instead of using them to other strengths.
I actually think there are a lot of good female characters you just need watch shows other than shounen in my opinion the best female characters come from monogatari
Orehime literally has the most broken ability in the entire show But they expect a high school girl who's never been in fights before to literally just blink people out of existence and feel nothing about it... 😂😂😂
@@konstantinosmoschos1050 the only one I can think of is true soul king YHBW. Who else are you thinking of? The ability to reject reality is really op when bloodlusted
Saying that just because some can't fight doesn't mean their well written is just factually wrong, as being able to fight does not determine a characters writing. Orihime is THE BEST WRITTEN female character in all of bleach, and I can write an essay explaining her development, dynamics, and impacts with various characters in the story. Also, Orihime is objectively not weak. She's able to reject the hogyoku from existence, heal multiple characters, block attacks from Yhwach, Uryu and Ichigo (his reiatsu not an attack), hell there's even a panel of Ichigo just admitting that he didn't realize Orihime's Shun Shun Rikka was that strong. No matter how much people hate her, Orihime will always be on top as a phenemonally written character!
@ suzune horikita, honami ichinose, arisu sakanayagi, kei karuizawa, erina nakiri, alice nakiri, rindou kobayashi, anya forger, winry rockbell, emma from TPM, kaori miyazono, dororo, misty... none of them are strong fighters yet they are all amazing characters... and best of all, its all shonen even though some might seem like its shoujo. and yes these are just from the top of my head, i know i did not list 20 but i can easily find just as many if i try hard enough. the idea that only strong women who can throw hands are good written female characters is primate way of thinking. idiots who believe that are closer to monkeys than intelectual beings
18:23 I personally think it’s actually I wouldn’t say close but not a reach either. The Raikage is fast asf and his punches are crazy strong same thing with Tsunade and her healing would be equivalent to like that little elf girl from that one kingdom Garaa would be hella good for support same thing with Onoki and that blue dress chick. Like the thing about the Kage is that they work really well together the 4 emperors don’t really. So because they’ll lack in team work it isn’t a reach to say that the fight would be an interesting one especially if we do verse equalization and give the kage base haki at least. I just personally think Madara outclasses the 4 emperors maybe aside from Shanks cuz we haven’t seen much from him.
You said it so well bro It's cause I also have to factor in the fact that onoki's particle style is a durability negation technique. And if he gets on the raikages back lime he did with madara it would be a tough battle. Let's not forget the problem with kaido is his fighting style, he gets hit way to much and if he gets caught his dead. Big mom too and white beard is also like Hella old. He couldn't even use haki at marineford too. Shanks is the only problem cause we haven't seen enough from him.(I still don't have someone winning tho) maybe slightly yonko
1:46 Not every character needs to be Yoruichi.. It has nothing with "bad" writing rather it has to do with archetypes in the story, some are weaker and develops through the story. If you look at Orihime from the beginning to present its two different character as she gets more independent over time, in the start she is just an simple human and realistically it makes sense she should be weaker given her inexperience and the supernatural aspect she is facing. She is not Rukia whom have lived over 150+ years and has decades of experience in fighting, etc. So in this case its fine having an damsel in distress because we got know the arrancars on a more personal level given her pacifist stand on things. It basically brings a whole different dynamic to the story and was handled pretty well.
I personally don't like debates that are based on "who wins in a fight" I like debates that are based on the overall writing of a anime/manga or any story.
Dude, this hit monkey dude is so biased he’s comparing top tiers in the one piece verse to mid tiers in Naruto verse. Also the Naruto one piece takes please make them fair dude I understand y’all gonna beef but man keep it fair
I still think the Sannin would win tbh. They have infinitely more combat training, more team experience, and so many various abilities in their kits. I also hard disagree with what Rob said with Whitebeard vs the Sannin in close combat. Naruto was chucking Rhinos into space, so why do we assume Jiraiya couldn’t do the exact same thing to a Whitebeard weighs less than a Rhino?
The fact that this argument has existed since I’ve been a kid first getting into anime and manga is so dumb. Female characters don’t need to be able to fight to be good and well written; they have need to be actually WELL WRITTEN. Fighting ability doesn’t do anything in that regard
15:20 it's not a stretch at all. The most advanced thing the world of AoT had at the time was that plane. We're talking ww1-beginning of ww2 era tech. The US or any country with access to a high altitude bomber and a nuclear payload take out Eren in a workday. Not to mention we got eyes up in space. There wont be any question of finding Eren. For a modern world with our current tech the rumbling is light work.
Omgosh, Nami and Robin are horrible examples of “damsel” moments cause everyone has a “damsel” moment in One Piece, lol. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, the list goes on. They’re all always crying and saving each other.
here is a hot take for you. bulma is not just shitty character, she is barely character to begin with. Bulma is merely a plot device, not even a character. they need money, use bulma as infinite money cheatcode. need technology, use bulma as "pay to win" feature to get new fancy items/tools. they want to make vegeta good guy but remain "vegeta"... let him marry bulma, that will give him incentive to not murder everyone. why would bulma ever marry vegeta or why would vegeta every marry period? lets just bring their kid from future and tell them he is their son. they want to introduce interplanetary dragon balls as big as a planet, yeah no problem, just use bulma as a cheatcode/plot moving tool again and have her use her infinite money glitch to create dragon ball tracker that works on universal scale. what about signal? what about how it works? dont ask questions, bulma did it, that is all the exposition you need now shut up and wait for next screaming fight... not to mention the fact she is tanking slaps from beerus and so many other plotholes but that goes into territory of dragon ball writting sucking not just bulma.
@@shonenshowdowntoo bad for him totally not Mark why do we care why would you even bring up that guy's name he is nothing you're going to fall the same road that he's in if you keep doing this with your channel and it's going to lead you to failure at this point don't nobody care about totally not Mark he's irrelevant just to be relevant
@@shonenshowdownSuper Saiyan 3 Kid Vegeta is not better than gear 5 Luffy has won the most dumbest takes I've ever heard you say Dragon Ball fans been waiting for 50 years for Vegeta to get Super Saiyan 3 and now he finally got it didn't he you can't compare Super Saiyan 3 Kid Vegeta to gear 5 Luffy that is the most stupidest comparison I've ever seen in my life
5:00 i think the take is they removed tophs sand problems because they had an idea that it would be cool to have her do x when we never really saw her train with sand bending
I think calling gear 5 the new standard for transformations isnt a just about power or hype, and if its the best one yet or whatever. But more so it's about what people now compare new transformations to. And then it's kinda true. I often see posts of people comparing different transformations in anime to gear 5 like how people did with ultra instinct. So i'd say it is the new standard. Does not mean it is the only one, but it is one.
I also think (guess) that was kinda what the commentaar was getting at. Someone had to say Vegeta was still better than Gear 5, so the commenter was like, damn, you actually feel the need to have Another Transformation be better than Gear 5. Happy that Gear 5 is the New standard to compare to
I feel like fighting ability does not break the character like as in the arlong park ark in one piece nami could not stop arlong herself but that helped shape the story
Well at the same time I would say this is the counter argument to people who believe that she is written well and she isn't a bad Damsel in Distress character. is that Orihime at times comes off either airheaded or literally problematic just under the idea that if you don't like airheaded characters you're not going to like her so much but especially during the Espada Arc where they're trying to save her the main thing that I know that rubs a lot of people well is the moment where she genuinely looks at Ichigo and sees a monster. And has to be reminded by the new character that also at one point annoyed people that she is crazy for even thinking that he some type of monster considering he's doing this all for her. But also I think battle anime fans are only that critical once a character's introduced as a possible fighter and does not actually either stay with the pack or stay at least with the power level their perceived to have. Because I don't think Bulma within the Dragon Ball communities looked at as useless compared to let's say a chichi. It's one of the reasons why Sakura gets so much hate yet the other female characters are given passes because they're either side characters or they lived up to whatever perceived potential that was written for them and the audience agrees
I think the issue here isn’t that ppl think that certain characters are useless (it’s definitely partially true) but the fact that certain ppl enjoy consuming their media differently. These ppl are watching a Shonen anime/ manga which involves a lot of fighting so they expect the characters in the their respective series to be able to fight whereas everything else important or not comes second. For example; Sakura can fight and is an expert medic but barely fights if at all and her medical prowess is shown in the background, that’s not gonna warrant likability from the fans, especially Shonen fans. On the other hand, when you look at a characters like Bulma (who has no powers) she gets her flowers due to how important and incredibly smart she is, most of the dbz tech is solely because of Bulma.
Ok but sakura has saved Naruto’s life onscreen with medical ninjutsu multiple times especially the war arc where she was pumping his own heart to keep him alive. Or when she gave obito enough chakra to save sasuke from dying during the kaguya fight.
I don't have an issue with the special effect/lights in Anime unless it isn't clear what's going on. I know several times in One Piece they colored something some way and it wasn't the effect people were thinking. Like a good portion of Luffy verses Kaido, people thought Luffy was using Ryo when he was actually using Conquerors coating.
We need a swagkage or six collab on the channel because some of these narutoverse takes are baffling to me. I hope you can dm one of them and make it happen.
14:40 to me the perfect example of this would be Kuma's backstory *Spoiler if you havent read One piece manga* In the manga Kuma's backstory was a little too rushed for me, especially in the beginning, where you jump from when Kuma was born to him being captured as a slave, his mother and his father DYING in just like 4 pages. That was a bit too much. You can make it way better if you just add some scenes and make it more "fluid". (Btw with this I am not saying I didnt like Kuma's backstory, just it could have been way better if treated with a slower pace. Its still a top 3 backstories). And this is where the anime can "adjust" it. The anime can add scenes to make it feel more homogeneous and better.
In regards to the AOT topic. The entire story is based around the fact that they were realizing that technology was threatening to make Titans obsolete, so they needed to find that "nuclear deterrent", so that they could catch up with technological advancement, and not be left behind, and they were dealing with World War 1 tech, give or take a bit. Even if nothing else, the fact that modern military has aerial capabilities, renders those Titan almost entirely helpless, as they get bombed from the sky.
For me, One Piece takes world building because not only the world building beautiful and some of it exist in our world is that each country is connected to their people meaning their culture, history, and different races like giants, lunarian, faries, and some of the races have their own specialty like lunarian’s can fly and are highly durable and fire abilities, and fish men have water abilities and are durable as well is amazing. Not trying to say that Naruto don’t have good world building it does it just that one piece takes it to another level.
Just finished wano still don’t know what foreshadowing op fans are talking about with gear 5 cause if it’s just luffys shadow in skypia I’m sorry that’s a major ass pull.
I got to say I also don't really get the sand bending take mostly just for the fact that in avatar The Last Airbender they don't make it a hard set rule that wouldn't make it possible for her to not do it that does get applied either maybe at the end of the original series or at least in korra and the books is that if you can do one subset you're kind of locked into that branch like a skill tree. Like for example water benders have Healers only I believe they either said exclusively the women or just certain people in the Water Tribe can heal. Just like if you are a magma Bender you probably don't have the skills to metal then because of your personality. For those who don't understand it's kind of like this to metal bend and sand Bend you have to have a somewhat precise control over what you're doing. In order to magma Bend explained by her it's kind of more of a personality trait and the way that it's also portrayed you have to have a passion your earthbending that flows through you. Whether that is a burning motivation in what you do as seen by at least the two users we see and that's being the Red Lotus member who is compared to have a similar personality type to bolin and him himself
My goodness they seem to be completely misinterpreting Shaddy's comment. He's not upset about sandbending as a concept he's upset at how there's now suddenly a technique specifically for making a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand. Edit: I really should finish the segment before making a comment like this.
I got a hot take about the Big 3. When ranking them from best to worst, I think it depends on if we are talking about the manga OR the anime. Manga: One Piece >>>> Naruto = Bleach Anime: Naruto > Bleach > One Piece It‘s subjective anyways, but I wonder if anyone feels the same way.
Bleach manga is infinitely better than both combined and that’s not even funny or fair. And Pierrot didn’t do justice to Bleach except TYBW so I don’t mind it being last or second.
@ Clarity of the panels, the beauty of the boards. The subtility of writing that goes further than what we are used to seeing. Characters much better written/developed. World building more interesting, very timeless and mature subject adressed, better power system, much more impactful and important combat (and they are mostly symbolic), art and style incomparable. Incredible antagonists, a respected side cast with excellent characters Best written / mature protagonist, with whom we can easily identify, coherent story who is getting closer to seinen’s and so on… After twenty it is impossible to say that the manga OP and Naruto are better.
@Takezo_Shinmen7 Fair enough. I appreciate the answer. I haven‘t really looked into it that deep. Just kind of based of my personal preference. I‘m more of an anime watcher and One Piece was the only anime, where I really felt the urge to switch to the manga, because I found some parts insufferable. So it was kind of a unique experience. For Bleach and Naruto, I finished the anime first and looked into the manga afterwards. So therefore, it maybe felt less special for me. I can definitely see what you‘re saying with a lot of the points, especially the art style and the character development. With stuff like relatability, I feel like that heavily depends on your age and your own experience, while reading.
I disagree about the AoT military weapons being close to modern stuff. AoT is a pre-WW1 era of weapons(except the mobile gear). While i agree standard ground troops wouldn't do much, the air force would wreck Erin and the titans.
It's not about fight . It's about character development. It's about a person character writting. Look at most of the shonin female mc they are in love with male mc for No reason. Then they're just treated as a person the mc will end up with. Ghibli have the best female and male character .
Woah those Nami and Robin moments are NOT damsel in distress moments. Arlong park was literally all abt Nami LEARNING to rely on others. The whole point is that she's been trying to save her village all by herself for 8 years but she finally has friends she can rely on now. This isn't a "men rescue woman" thing but a crew standing up for their crew mate. Luffy did the same with pretty much every straw hat, even the male ones. As for Robin, she CHOSE to be taken by CP9. Even Aokiji himself said she could've easily escaped if she wanted to but she wanted to die so she didn't escape nor wanted help. Also, it wasn't only male characters that were saving Robin, Nami also did. And Robin was weakened bc of the sea prism hand cuffs so she couldn't fight back but once those came off, she literally broke her abuser's back and beat the shit out of him herself. Nami and Robin are a navigator and a archaeologist yet both have several fights and powers of their own.
Splash some sea water on any devil fruit user then they’re cooked. Sea prism anything then they’re cooked. You got Sage mode. They can turn them into frogs or whatever and die. Genjustu, I don’t think op characters are stopping that. Summings in general. The Gates. Naruto characters are very strategic and will get the job done. Let’s not act like sea prism anything turns devil fruit users into a potato. Particle style would one shot any character in op.
brother you legit have someone that can fight, heal and lead in Sakura and anime fans still don't recognize her greatness and use her as an example of bad female characters ...
Sakura's growth is so small that it felt like the maturity difference between a 11 and 12 year old. We know she can fight because of her personality, Hinata was the abnormality in the school because even Choji would fight where as Hinata felt like she was forced to be there. So Sakura's fighting spirit is a well known thing but it doesn't do much for character because her mentality isn't there. We all can excuse her behavior towards Naruto as a child because she didn't like Naruto, and over time tolerated him but to change that tolerance to friendship so fast is actually a flop IMO. Kishimoto should had left her being annoyed by Naruto's existence until she learnt that he was a Jinchuriki and then take the middle portion building up on that friendship. (No asking for Naruto to save Sasuke but wanting to do it by herself and over time wanting Naruto to help her.) That's character development. Kishimoto stated that he wanted Sakura to be like a normal girl... that's how a normal girl behaves.
when you grow up watching the anime and for 15 years of weekly airing you see her as nothing but useless that feeling tend to stick. you cant just suddenly make someone useful and say "hey guys she is strong, trust me." and expect to brainwash everyone into thinking she was never useless
@Galin_Iliev17 While i definitely dont agree that a female character who cant fight= bad female character, Sakura Haruno is definitely not a well written female character Lets not kid ourselves here.
Greatly disagree here, a female lead in a show is someone who kids idolizes and strives to be them, sakura is just a bad example, she abuses the person who loves her and involves in a toxic relationship with a guy who did horrible crimes, she makes fun of orphans at young age and even in a shipudeen movie ,she fights with her parents and goes out with Naruto and says Naruto won't understand her because he doesn't have a family and says Sasuke would instead understand ( who happens to be an orphan as well ), she is just a bad example of a female lead
Ngl, I see the yonkos imploding in on themselves tbh, none of them really like each other and none of the Kages are Luffy so big mom and kaido won't work together, I see them more beefing with Shanks and whitebeard and ignoring the kages, idk if they'll take advantage, and you'll need to stop down playing particle style. Sauske was fast as heck despite being exhausted, and still got caught if it wasn't for plot he would have died. The kages have way better collaborative experience, BTW if we comparing the Yonko to Rodger, you'll think they can beat a Prime Rodger? Im comparing it to Madara v the 5 kage and you see how crazy that sounds lol. So I don't think its crazy to think that one man being Madara "one of the strongest of his time" in this scenario is crazy for washing the current "Strongest" in the world.
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saying that if somebody cant fight they useless is wack as hell. Imagine if bulma never existed.
Comparing bulma to orihime is wild. Orihime is dragon balls dende. If I care that much about bonds. I would be reading fairy tail.
@@Jay213s comparing Orihime to Bulma isn't that wild. Neither series would've gone as far as it did without them. Both of their skills are MANDATORY for their crew. Bleach would've ended if it wasn't for Orihime & same with DBZ & Bulma 🤷🏾♂️
Db wouldn't had a single episode without bulma. I dont even consider orihime to be part of the crew. Her only redeeming quality is her healing. Yet if she wasn't the plot in aizens ark. Would've forgotten who she was. All the vice captains were more compelling than her. Bulma's character was built very well. You know her well, and has a character to her. You know her kids, parents, and even ex. I don't remember anything of orihime besides her feelings for ichigo. It's a wild comparison when bulma's character building was all of dragon ball. Then small chunks in dbz.
@Jay213s I think you're underestimating Orihime's significance in the story by saying she's irrelevant besides her healing. That's still a very important role that, like I said, if it wasn't for her, the series would've ended lol that's like saying "Bulma is irrelevant without her brain" lol Orihime is a healer 🤷🏾♂️ if you forget about the healer, that's on you lol she's in every arc of bleach as well
@@Jay213s while Kubo may not focus on her character as much as Toriyama did with Bulma, that doesn't make her any less important of a character. Her role can only be filled by her because there's no one else who can do what she can, just like Bulma
Yall he got hacked.this has been happening to a lot of UA-camr
Yeah, I saw another youtuber with the exact same thumbnail for a live
That explains a lot
Ggs he'll get shadow banned after this one, and will never get recommended.
The fact that this debate has been going on for at least a couple of years is crazy there’s a lot of fictional female characters that are not fighters that are still really good character outside the battlefield male or female just because they’re a fighter doesn’t automatically make them a good character
Agreed, being a good Fighter or not doesn't have Anything to do with being well written.
But I think it feels like that's the case when (in this case) a Female character that isn't a primary Fighter is mostly thrown into situations Where they have to fight, instead of using them to other strengths.
Some shounen fans need to realize that battles aren’t only about fighting. Support is important as well.
I actually think there are a lot of good female characters you just need watch shows other than shounen in my opinion the best female characters come from monogatari
@@fleach240 I watch a lot of non-Shounen I literally said in fiction meaning everything lol but I do agree
@@crocoboi7936 facts speak brother 🗣️
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Orehime literally has the most broken ability in the entire show But they expect a high school girl who's never been in fights before to literally just blink people out of existence and feel nothing about it... 😂😂😂
I do agree with the take, but most broken ability is crazy. Still top tier, but i can name like 5 others that are objectively better.
@@konstantinosmoschos1050 the only one I can think of is true soul king YHBW. Who else are you thinking of? The ability to reject reality is really op when bloodlusted
Orihime is basically Madoka strong power and is strong they just are nice
A Well Written character is a character that served its role throughout the series Well.
Saying that just because some can't fight doesn't mean their well written is just factually wrong, as being able to fight does not determine a characters writing. Orihime is THE BEST WRITTEN female character in all of bleach, and I can write an essay explaining her development, dynamics, and impacts with various characters in the story. Also, Orihime is objectively not weak. She's able to reject the hogyoku from existence, heal multiple characters, block attacks from Yhwach, Uryu and Ichigo (his reiatsu not an attack), hell there's even a panel of Ichigo just admitting that he didn't realize Orihime's Shun Shun Rikka was that strong. No matter how much people hate her, Orihime will always be on top as a phenemonally written character!
Bro got hacked wtf
Did blud get hacked what the fuck is going on?
Damn my boy got hacked
this is the second time THIS YEAR
Yo rob ,love the content bro ,keep up the good work. Please make more "if anime were people " content.
🙏🙏🙏 I appreciate it! I’m planning on doing another one later on this year
@@shonenshowdownyo rob do you think madara can solo the yonko
I can literally name 20+ female characters off the top of my head that debunk this narrative.
i think original post meant "in shonen" but yeah, even with that assumption its insane claim :D
Pls list them
@ suzune horikita, honami ichinose, arisu sakanayagi, kei karuizawa, erina nakiri, alice nakiri, rindou kobayashi, anya forger, winry rockbell, emma from TPM, kaori miyazono, dororo, misty... none of them are strong fighters yet they are all amazing characters... and best of all, its all shonen even though some might seem like its shoujo. and yes these are just from the top of my head, i know i did not list 20 but i can easily find just as many if i try hard enough. the idea that only strong women who can throw hands are good written female characters is primate way of thinking. idiots who believe that are closer to monkeys than intelectual beings
18:23 I personally think it’s actually I wouldn’t say close but not a reach either. The Raikage is fast asf and his punches are crazy strong same thing with Tsunade and her healing would be equivalent to like that little elf girl from that one kingdom Garaa would be hella good for support same thing with Onoki and that blue dress chick. Like the thing about the Kage is that they work really well together the 4 emperors don’t really. So because they’ll lack in team work it isn’t a reach to say that the fight would be an interesting one especially if we do verse equalization and give the kage base haki at least. I just personally think Madara outclasses the 4 emperors maybe aside from Shanks cuz we haven’t seen much from him.
You said it so well bro
It's cause I also have to factor in the fact that onoki's particle style is a durability negation technique. And if he gets on the raikages back lime he did with madara it would be a tough battle. Let's not forget the problem with kaido is his fighting style, he gets hit way to much and if he gets caught his dead. Big mom too and white beard is also like Hella old. He couldn't even use haki at marineford too. Shanks is the only problem cause we haven't seen enough from him.(I still don't have someone winning tho) maybe slightly yonko
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1:46 Not every character needs to be Yoruichi.. It has nothing with "bad" writing rather it has to do with archetypes in the story, some are weaker and develops through the story. If you look at Orihime from the beginning to present its two different character as she gets more independent over time, in the start she is just an simple human and realistically it makes sense she should be weaker given her inexperience and the supernatural aspect she is facing. She is not Rukia whom have lived over 150+ years and has decades of experience in fighting, etc. So in this case its fine having an damsel in distress because we got know the arrancars on a more personal level given her pacifist stand on things. It basically brings a whole different dynamic to the story and was handled pretty well.
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I personally don't like debates that are based on "who wins in a fight" I like debates that are based on the overall writing of a anime/manga or any story.
I love both but the fights can be more toxic especially if it’s an out of verse battle Ex. Naruto vs Jujutsu Kaisen
fights are more fun to debate so i like them more
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No way bro got hacked
I don’t even get the point of hackers taking channels
Nobody watching yo shitty content lil bro 😭🙏🏿
Yoo bro what you're channel is now Brad G? He's got hacked?
Yea he’s hacked
He got hacked boys
Dude, this hit monkey dude is so biased he’s comparing top tiers in the one piece verse to mid tiers in Naruto verse. Also the Naruto one piece takes please make them fair dude I understand y’all gonna beef but man keep it fair
I still think the Sannin would win tbh. They have infinitely more combat training, more team experience, and so many various abilities in their kits. I also hard disagree with what Rob said with Whitebeard vs the Sannin in close combat. Naruto was chucking Rhinos into space, so why do we assume Jiraiya couldn’t do the exact same thing to a Whitebeard weighs less than a Rhino?
The fact that only the nice comments on here are getting likes and comments from Rob says a lot.
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The fact that this argument has existed since I’ve been a kid first getting into anime and manga is so dumb. Female characters don’t need to be able to fight to be good and well written; they have need to be actually WELL WRITTEN. Fighting ability doesn’t do anything in that regard
I was so confused by y it was live but it wasn’t him. Makes sense that he was hacked
15:20 it's not a stretch at all. The most advanced thing the world of AoT had at the time was that plane. We're talking ww1-beginning of ww2 era tech. The US or any country with access to a high altitude bomber and a nuclear payload take out Eren in a workday. Not to mention we got eyes up in space. There wont be any question of finding Eren. For a modern world with our current tech the rumbling is light work.
Bro got hacked
Only idiots and people who only watch Shonen would say that.
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Omgosh, Nami and Robin are horrible examples of “damsel” moments cause everyone has a “damsel” moment in One Piece, lol. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, the list goes on. They’re all always crying and saving each other.
Toph literally said she trained to do sand bending bcuz of appa
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here is a hot take for you. bulma is not just shitty character, she is barely character to begin with. Bulma is merely a plot device, not even a character.
they need money, use bulma as infinite money cheatcode. need technology, use bulma as "pay to win" feature to get new fancy items/tools. they want to make vegeta good guy but remain "vegeta"... let him marry bulma, that will give him incentive to not murder everyone. why would bulma ever marry vegeta or why would vegeta every marry period? lets just bring their kid from future and tell them he is their son. they want to introduce interplanetary dragon balls as big as a planet, yeah no problem, just use bulma as a cheatcode/plot moving tool again and have her use her infinite money glitch to create dragon ball tracker that works on universal scale. what about signal? what about how it works? dont ask questions, bulma did it, that is all the exposition you need now shut up and wait for next screaming fight...
not to mention the fact she is tanking slaps from beerus and so many other plotholes but that goes into territory of dragon ball writting sucking not just bulma.
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@@shonenshowdownit doesn't matter you're one piece Fanboy we get it you're arguing with a bunch of Naruto Tards forget them stop
@@shonenshowdowntoo bad for him totally not Mark why do we care why would you even bring up that guy's name he is nothing you're going to fall the same road that he's in if you keep doing this with your channel and it's going to lead you to failure at this point don't nobody care about totally not Mark he's irrelevant just to be relevant
@@shonenshowdownno there is no shout out to any of them
@@shonenshowdownSuper Saiyan 3 Kid Vegeta is not better than gear 5 Luffy has won the most dumbest takes I've ever heard you say Dragon Ball fans been waiting for 50 years for Vegeta to get Super Saiyan 3 and now he finally got it didn't he you can't compare Super Saiyan 3 Kid Vegeta to gear 5 Luffy that is the most stupidest comparison I've ever seen in my life
I think his live is hacked yall
I was so confused, like wtf are these lives about some crypto shit
5:00 i think the take is they removed tophs sand problems because they had an idea that it would be cool to have her do x when we never really saw her train with sand bending
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I think calling gear 5 the new standard for transformations isnt a just about power or hype, and if its the best one yet or whatever. But more so it's about what people now compare new transformations to. And then it's kinda true. I often see posts of people comparing different transformations in anime to gear 5 like how people did with ultra instinct. So i'd say it is the new standard. Does not mean it is the only one, but it is one.
I also think (guess) that was kinda what the commentaar was getting at. Someone had to say Vegeta was still better than Gear 5, so the commenter was like, damn, you actually feel the need to have Another Transformation be better than Gear 5. Happy that Gear 5 is the New standard to compare to
I feel like fighting ability does not break the character like as in the arlong park ark in one piece nami could not stop arlong herself but that helped shape the story
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@@shonenshowdownu doing a tier list?
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Well at the same time I would say this is the counter argument to people who believe that she is written well and she isn't a bad Damsel in Distress character. is that Orihime at times comes off either airheaded or literally problematic just under the idea that if you don't like airheaded characters you're not going to like her so much but especially during the Espada Arc where they're trying to save her the main thing that I know that rubs a lot of people well is the moment where she genuinely looks at Ichigo and sees a monster. And has to be reminded by the new character that also at one point annoyed people that she is crazy for even thinking that he some type of monster considering he's doing this all for her.
But also I think battle anime fans are only that critical once a character's introduced as a possible fighter and does not actually either stay with the pack or stay at least with the power level their perceived to have. Because I don't think Bulma within the Dragon Ball communities looked at as useless compared to let's say a chichi. It's one of the reasons why Sakura gets so much hate yet the other female characters are given passes because they're either side characters or they lived up to whatever perceived potential that was written for them and the audience agrees
shady has stated his opinion on metal bending during his korra video I believe it’s just sand bending because of what she said how it was her weakness
I think the issue here isn’t that ppl think that certain characters are useless (it’s definitely partially true) but the fact that certain ppl enjoy consuming their media differently. These ppl are watching a Shonen anime/ manga which involves a lot of fighting so they expect the characters in the their respective series to be able to fight whereas everything else important or not comes second. For example; Sakura can fight and is an expert medic but barely fights if at all and her medical prowess is shown in the background, that’s not gonna warrant likability from the fans, especially Shonen fans. On the other hand, when you look at a characters like Bulma (who has no powers) she gets her flowers due to how important and incredibly smart she is, most of the dbz tech is solely because of Bulma.
Ok but sakura has saved Naruto’s life onscreen with medical ninjutsu multiple times especially the war arc where she was pumping his own heart to keep him alive. Or when she gave obito enough chakra to save sasuke from dying during the kaguya fight.
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I don't have an issue with the special effect/lights in Anime unless it isn't clear what's going on. I know several times in One Piece they colored something some way and it wasn't the effect people were thinking. Like a good portion of Luffy verses Kaido, people thought Luffy was using Ryo when he was actually using Conquerors coating.
3:32 Hey I know that guy, he makes fun reviews. He does also have a point.
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We need a swagkage or six collab on the channel because some of these narutoverse takes are baffling to me.
I hope you can dm one of them and make it happen.
how tf u get hacked gang 😭
17:20 this is so hilariously one sided, they essentialy put 4 Madaras against the 5 kege who can't even beat 1.
Damn bro got hacked
There's a conversation going around about how the 5 vice admirals (Zoro, King, Ben Beckman, Katakuri and Marco) would decimate the 5 Kage
14:40 to me the perfect example of this would be Kuma's backstory *Spoiler if you havent read One piece manga*
In the manga Kuma's backstory was a little too rushed for me, especially in the beginning, where you jump from when Kuma was born to him being captured as a slave, his mother and his father DYING in just like 4 pages. That was a bit too much. You can make it way better if you just add some scenes and make it more "fluid". (Btw with this I am not saying I didnt like Kuma's backstory, just it could have been way better if treated with a slower pace. Its still a top 3 backstories). And this is where the anime can "adjust" it. The anime can add scenes to make it feel more homogeneous and better.
In regards to the AOT topic. The entire story is based around the fact that they were realizing that technology was threatening to make Titans obsolete, so they needed to find that "nuclear deterrent", so that they could catch up with technological advancement, and not be left behind, and they were dealing with World War 1 tech, give or take a bit. Even if nothing else, the fact that modern military has aerial capabilities, renders those Titan almost entirely helpless, as they get bombed from the sky.
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Noooooo he got hacked
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For me, One Piece takes world building because not only the world building beautiful and some of it exist in our world is that each country is connected to their people meaning their culture, history, and different races like giants, lunarian, faries, and some of the races have their own specialty like lunarian’s can fly and are highly durable and fire abilities, and fish men have water abilities and are durable as well is amazing. Not trying to say that Naruto don’t have good world building it does it just that one piece takes it to another level.
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Fighting ability does make a character a great written character.
It can, but it depends on the story
L take, rob was just being nice lmao
So you think JJK has some of the greatest writing in fiction.
Cause this is not really true for the most part like any good romance anime might debunk this.
Oh well, shisui uchina and big mom as well as yammy bleach must be the most layered complex characters in fiction then
Oof it’s still hacked
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Bro really done uploaded when I wanted to go to sleep 😭f it imma watch and then sleep since I’m already at it 🙄
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When I saw the thumbnail i was like “Chad would of died if it wasn’t for orihime”
You got hacked bro
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Did he get hacked or something
Yea blud is most definitely hacked
Just finished wano still don’t know what foreshadowing op fans are talking about with gear 5 cause if it’s just luffys shadow in skypia I’m sorry that’s a major ass pull.
Hacked? Damn
I got to say I also don't really get the sand bending take mostly just for the fact that in avatar The Last Airbender they don't make it a hard set rule that wouldn't make it possible for her to not do it that does get applied either maybe at the end of the original series or at least in korra and the books is that if you can do one subset you're kind of locked into that branch like a skill tree. Like for example water benders have Healers only I believe they either said exclusively the women or just certain people in the Water Tribe can heal. Just like if you are a magma Bender you probably don't have the skills to metal then because of your personality. For those who don't understand it's kind of like this to metal bend and sand Bend you have to have a somewhat precise control over what you're doing. In order to magma Bend explained by her it's kind of more of a personality trait and the way that it's also portrayed you have to have a passion your earthbending that flows through you. Whether that is a burning motivation in what you do as seen by at least the two users we see and that's being the Red Lotus member who is compared to have a similar personality type to bolin and him himself
My goodness they seem to be completely misinterpreting Shaddy's comment. He's not upset about sandbending as a concept he's upset at how there's now suddenly a technique specifically for making a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand. Edit: I really should finish the segment before making a comment like this.
I got a hot take about the Big 3.
When ranking them from best to worst, I think it depends on if we are talking about the manga OR the anime.
Manga: One Piece >>>> Naruto = Bleach
Anime: Naruto > Bleach > One Piece
It‘s subjective anyways, but I wonder if anyone feels the same way.
Bleach manga is infinitely better than both combined and that’s not even funny or fair.
And Pierrot didn’t do justice to Bleach except TYBW so I don’t mind it being last or second.
@Takezo_Shinmen7 Interesting. What makes the Bleach manga so much better than the other 2 in your eyes?
@ Clarity of the panels, the beauty of the boards.
The subtility of writing that goes further than what we are used to seeing. Characters much better written/developed.
World building more interesting, very timeless and mature subject adressed, better power system, much more impactful and important combat (and they are mostly symbolic), art and style incomparable.
Incredible antagonists, a respected side cast with excellent characters
Best written / mature protagonist, with whom we can easily identify, coherent story who is getting closer to seinen’s and so on…
After twenty it is impossible to say that the manga OP and Naruto are better.
@Takezo_Shinmen7 Fair enough. I appreciate the answer. I haven‘t really looked into it that deep. Just kind of based of my personal preference. I‘m more of an anime watcher and One Piece was the only anime, where I really felt the urge to switch to the manga, because I found some parts insufferable. So it was kind of a unique experience. For Bleach and Naruto, I finished the anime first and looked into the manga afterwards. So therefore, it maybe felt less special for me. I can definitely see what you‘re saying with a lot of the points, especially the art style and the character development. With stuff like relatability, I feel like that heavily depends on your age and your own experience, while reading.
@ I appreciate your answer too, and I agree with most of your words.
But I really found Bleach special in its design, complexity and depth.
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I disagree about the AoT military weapons being close to modern stuff. AoT is a pre-WW1 era of weapons(except the mobile gear). While i agree standard ground troops wouldn't do much, the air force would wreck Erin and the titans.
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I’m crying 😭😭 most of my AniTwitter feed has one piece in it so this wasn’t on purpose
Eren when he sees the Tsar Bomba:
Everyone needs a medic in war
It's not about fight . It's about character development. It's about a person character writting. Look at most of the shonin female mc they are in love with male mc for No reason. Then they're just treated as a person the mc will end up with. Ghibli have the best female and male character .
Woah those Nami and Robin moments are NOT damsel in distress moments. Arlong park was literally all abt Nami LEARNING to rely on others. The whole point is that she's been trying to save her village all by herself for 8 years but she finally has friends she can rely on now. This isn't a "men rescue woman" thing but a crew standing up for their crew mate. Luffy did the same with pretty much every straw hat, even the male ones. As for Robin, she CHOSE to be taken by CP9. Even Aokiji himself said she could've easily escaped if she wanted to but she wanted to die so she didn't escape nor wanted help. Also, it wasn't only male characters that were saving Robin, Nami also did. And Robin was weakened bc of the sea prism hand cuffs so she couldn't fight back but once those came off, she literally broke her abuser's back and beat the shit out of him herself. Nami and Robin are a navigator and a archaeologist yet both have several fights and powers of their own.
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Splash some sea water on any devil fruit user then they’re cooked. Sea prism anything then they’re cooked. You got Sage mode. They can turn them into frogs or whatever and die. Genjustu, I don’t think op characters are stopping that. Summings in general. The Gates. Naruto characters are very strategic and will get the job done. Let’s not act like sea prism anything turns devil fruit users into a potato. Particle style would one shot any character in op.
brother you legit have someone that can fight, heal and lead in Sakura and anime fans still don't recognize her greatness and use her as an example of bad female characters ...
Mostly because she was pretty bad at the start and people never really let it go.
Sakura's growth is so small that it felt like the maturity difference between a 11 and 12 year old. We know she can fight because of her personality, Hinata was the abnormality in the school because even Choji would fight where as Hinata felt like she was forced to be there. So Sakura's fighting spirit is a well known thing but it doesn't do much for character because her mentality isn't there. We all can excuse her behavior towards Naruto as a child because she didn't like Naruto, and over time tolerated him but to change that tolerance to friendship so fast is actually a flop IMO.
Kishimoto should had left her being annoyed by Naruto's existence until she learnt that he was a Jinchuriki and then take the middle portion building up on that friendship. (No asking for Naruto to save Sasuke but wanting to do it by herself and over time wanting Naruto to help her.) That's character development. Kishimoto stated that he wanted Sakura to be like a normal girl... that's how a normal girl behaves.
when you grow up watching the anime and for 15 years of weekly airing you see her as nothing but useless that feeling tend to stick. you cant just suddenly make someone useful and say "hey guys she is strong, trust me." and expect to brainwash everyone into thinking she was never useless
@Galin_Iliev17 While i definitely dont agree that a female character who cant fight= bad female character, Sakura Haruno is definitely not a well written female character
Lets not kid ourselves here.
Greatly disagree here, a female lead in a show is someone who kids idolizes and strives to be them, sakura is just a bad example, she abuses the person who loves her and involves in a toxic relationship with a guy who did horrible crimes, she makes fun of orphans at young age and even in a shipudeen movie ,she fights with her parents and goes out with Naruto and says Naruto won't understand her because he doesn't have a family and says Sasuke would instead understand ( who happens to be an orphan as well ), she is just a bad example of a female lead
Ngl, I see the yonkos imploding in on themselves tbh, none of them really like each other and none of the Kages are Luffy so big mom and kaido won't work together, I see them more beefing with Shanks and whitebeard and ignoring the kages, idk if they'll take advantage, and you'll need to stop down playing particle style. Sauske was fast as heck despite being exhausted, and still got caught if it wasn't for plot he would have died. The kages have way better collaborative experience, BTW if we comparing the Yonko to Rodger, you'll think they can beat a Prime Rodger? Im comparing it to Madara v the 5 kage and you see how crazy that sounds lol. So I don't think its crazy to think that one man being Madara "one of the strongest of his time" in this scenario is crazy for washing the current "Strongest" in the world.