When someone takes the moral high ground on this and other issues, I have to ask that person, "Do you lock your doors at home?" "Do you lock the doors on your car?" Think about it.
Let the leaders of the UMC take immigrants into their homes. See how that goes. Instead of using congregational funds to repair churches let the money go to housing and feeding immigrants. See how that goes.
If you saw the line in their letter that said, "they clean the houses we live in" it kind of makes you wonder if the Bishops are really concerned about the immigrants or more concerned about losing their low wage housekeepers much like all the rich, liberal elites.
Good summation of the UMC bishops’ letter. It reveals yet another reason for those wanting to be free of ideologies inconsistent with scripture and civil law to distance themselves from the UMC or be clothed with the armor of God and displace the apostates, heretics, and blasphemers or their ideology from their church.
We left our church in 2020 as the world raged, our country encountered riots, Covid lockdowns, etc, etc…. But our pastor only wanted to bash Trump. I don’t mind the church standing on principled positions on various issues, but to pick a Political side when obviously ignoring that Side on a multitude of other issues is not acceptable. Of our 8 family home group, 7 left that church in the past 4 years.
Another point made clear recently in a broadcast by Mark Levin..,there is no legal ‘birth right’ for any child born in the U.S. or abroad if neither parent is a U.S. citizen to grant them the birth right or some other legal status prevails to provide such claim. Children born in this country of diplomat parents are not citizens, but the citizen of the country of their parents. My opinion too is the appearance of a legal act made consequential to an illegal act does not make the former legal. Example, I steal your car, an illegal act, and subsequently sell it to someone in an apparent legal transaction, does the apparent new owner then become the legal owner? No! Levin cited court examples upholding this truth and correcting the misunderstood interpretation of the 14th amendment. Hopefully, this will be made more clear under the Trump administration.
I have been an unchurched Methodist for many years and was considering coming back. However, this statement from the bishops gives me pause. Perhaps I need to keep looking elsewhere.
Consider the Global Methodist Church. That is the crew that left the UMC because they went too far left. GMC is much more centrist in its theological disposition...
It is safe to assume, based on this letter, that if these bishops came home and found a group of squatters sitting in their living room and watching tv they would adopt them all (including any others who joined them) and write them into their will, right?
The letter is a token, prescribed by bishops to have their pastors read, which sowed distrust, and shocker, they are cushioned from blowback. The local pastors were put in awkward position for a letter that may or may not represent their views. This is coming from someone who never voted for Donald Trump. This statement was written to be a token and nothing more. Regarding immigration, there are important matters to discuss. It's not mutually exclusive to want to be welcoming and protecting the people in our nation also. I feel this is where a lot of people are on the matter. I know some progressives in the UMC who also feel that this letter was misplaced.
It is a shame that the UMC has become captured by this progressive ideology. We should follow the missionary model of changing hearts and to bring Christianity to other countries and as a concequence changing their eternal and current life situation.
I think the statement is based on the United Methodist Social Principles. Which I admire that their leaders have to say something about the issues in the society. Unlike the other denominations such GMC dont have.
We left UMC at the end of 2024. It has become a leftist political party.
Import a third world become a third world country. Real simple people.
When someone takes the moral high ground on this and other issues, I have to ask that person, "Do you lock your doors at home?" "Do you lock the doors on your car?" Think about it.
This is a lot of pony poop. People who believe in these phony churches are stupid.
Let the leaders of the UMC take immigrants into their homes. See how that goes. Instead of using congregational funds to repair churches let the money go to housing and feeding immigrants. See how that goes.
If you saw the line in their letter that said, "they clean the houses we live in" it kind of makes you wonder if the Bishops are really concerned about the immigrants or more concerned about losing their low wage housekeepers much like all the rich, liberal elites.
Yes also UMC Annual Conference leaders take immigrants into their homes.
Good summation of the UMC bishops’ letter. It reveals yet another reason for those wanting to be free of ideologies inconsistent with scripture and civil law to distance themselves from the UMC or be clothed with the armor of God and displace the apostates, heretics, and blasphemers or their ideology from their church.
We left our church in 2020 as the world raged, our country encountered riots, Covid lockdowns, etc, etc…. But our pastor only wanted to bash Trump.
I don’t mind the church standing on principled positions on various issues, but to pick a Political side when obviously ignoring that
Side on a multitude of other issues is not acceptable.
Of our 8 family home group, 7 left that church in the past 4 years.
Another point made clear recently in a broadcast by Mark Levin..,there is no legal ‘birth right’ for any child born in the U.S. or abroad if neither parent is a U.S. citizen to grant them the birth right or some other legal status prevails to provide such claim. Children born in this country of diplomat parents are not citizens, but the citizen of the country of their parents. My opinion too is the appearance of a legal act made consequential to an illegal act does not make the former legal. Example, I steal your car, an illegal act, and subsequently sell it to someone in an apparent legal transaction, does the apparent new owner then become the legal owner? No! Levin cited court examples upholding this truth and correcting the misunderstood interpretation of the 14th amendment. Hopefully, this will be made more clear under the Trump administration.
UMC will never recover from their misuse of scripture
I have been an unchurched Methodist for many years and was considering coming back. However, this statement from the bishops gives me pause. Perhaps I need to keep looking elsewhere.
Consider the Global Methodist Church. That is the crew that left the UMC because they went too far left. GMC is much more centrist in its theological disposition...
It is safe to assume, based on this letter, that if these bishops came home and found a group of squatters sitting in their living room and watching tv they would adopt them all (including any others who joined them) and write them into their will, right?
The letter is a token, prescribed by bishops to have their pastors read, which sowed distrust, and shocker, they are cushioned from blowback. The local pastors were put in awkward position for a letter that may or may not represent their views. This is coming from someone who never voted for Donald Trump. This statement was written to be a token and nothing more. Regarding immigration, there are important matters to discuss. It's not mutually exclusive to want to be welcoming and protecting the people in our nation also. I feel this is where a lot of people are on the matter. I know some progressives in the UMC who also feel that this letter was misplaced.
Step away.there are other denominations.
It is a shame that the UMC has become captured by this progressive ideology. We should follow the missionary model of changing hearts and to bring Christianity to other countries and as a concequence changing their eternal and current life situation.
I think the statement is based on the United Methodist Social Principles. Which I admire that their leaders have to say something about the issues in the society. Unlike the other denominations such GMC dont have.
You admire that they hate half the population?
Is not 1 Peter 2:13 a command? If God said it through Peter, we are to obey it...
Or our faith is void.
The bishops certainly aren't obeying it, they're rebelling against it