For those who didn’t watch the stream, Jaiden actually lost her first attempt at the Elite Four. Her Togekiss died to a crit Stone Edge against Aaron’s Heracross, and her Garchomp and Quagsire had really unlucky deaths against Bertha’s Rhyperior. Since the rest of her team was weak against Flint, she gave up. However, since the reason for her losing was extremely unlucky and not mistakes on her part, she did a poll asking if she could retry the Elite Four. 70% said yes, so she did it again. She won, but it was hollow. “Alternate Timeline Jaiden” was her, when she lost the first attempt.
At the end of the day, Jaiden's job isn't nuzlocking, it's entertaining her audience and if her audience was ok with her reseting (which it sounds like they were) and it makes for better content, then there's really no reason not to. Also I'd just like to applaud Jaiden for how she implemented the reset into the video by only really hinting at it and giving an in-universe explanation, since not mentioning it at all would be disingenuous, but just coming out and saying "hey guys, so I actually failed my first attempt at the elite four but it was B.S so I reset" would ruin narrative flow. Well done all around.
@@gavinator2730 I mean there was a third option that doesn't violate Nuzlocke rules and would have maintained the narrative. Accept the deaths and rebuild from the Box. Could have gone and grabbed a few missed encounters if she had to, she probably had the route southeast of Sandgem and the Fuego Ironworks available.
The main thing about her reset: She was totally willing to say she had failed. HER OWN CHAT told her to try again, telling her that because it was HER BIRTHDAY that she deserved another chance. And then, not only does she not ignore that she wiped, she came up with a SUPER cool way to explain what happened. And I agree with this guy: these are self imposed rules designed to make a kids game more challenging. Who cares how you play YOUR Nuzlocke?
I actually think the story was more interesting because of there being two attempts. I know in nuzlockes once you fail, you reset, but I like this way better. I'm glad she tried again.
@@supersasukemaniac they were. Every single death was from a crit. It's why chat was all for giving her a redo. She did everything exactly the same, same moves, same team order, changed nothing, but didn't get unlucky crit and survived.
Exactly. I didn't feel cringe watching her story, but I really cringed out when I saw chat spamming "CRINGE". Those stupid ass kids man, always think they're so edgy and badass when they are just embarrassing themselves.
I imagine they were spamming "cringe" as a joke. Maybe a few of them were dissatisfied, but some people just get levity from poking fun. The people who backpedaled probably respected Jaden's decision from the beginning, they just wanted to tease her for the failed run. When PC gave his 2 cents, that was their cue to solute Jaiden for the great attempt. The term cringe is throw around so much these days that it's barely even an insult anymore. Like when an anime gets super popular and people throw around the term "mid" to say "It's a fine show, but it doesn't do anything for me personally" in the most frustrating way possible. Cringe has basically become "It doesn't sit right with me. I don't agree with it."
I love the ending because she's not some professional nuzlocker. She's a storyteller. And so she did what was best to create an amazing and engaging tale. Plus, its what her viewers wanted.
shes a really good storyteller. im one of those weirdos who considers any pokemon i catch as a functioning member of the team and not just some pixels on the screen, and she does a really good job portraying them as living breathing creatures. i cry watching her video when members of her team are beaten cuz she gives them so much life
@@angrysmoli That moment where she sacrifices the low level Shinx she literally nicknamed "Failure" and still manages to make it feel incredibly sad that it died. Absolutely wonderful animator and storyteller.
Jaiden: reasonably chooses not to lose everything at the very end Chat: CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE PC: "It's all about having fun; everyone's free to play nuzlockes however they like" Chat, immediately doing a 180: BASED BASED BASED
The vibe I got was chat was cringing at the video ending not her trying again. If you don't know about her second attempt, and it looks like most of chat didn't until it was brought up, her whole speech about her "alternate timeline" self's failures and did she really win in the end? Is kind of cringy.
@@blackheartdistrution I had no idea about the stream and I thought the video was awesome, but that's also bc I don't know the story of Pokemon Platinum so I thought that's what the story is actually like. But even after I learned of the stream, I liked the video more. It's such a cool and fun way of implementing that event into the video.
"It's a self-imposed challenge run of a children's game, who gives a shit" Realest advice he's ever given in a reaction. Lots of people (probably most of us here) have more fun by being stricter with ourselves, but the people that don't don't have to. Hardcores who respect non-hardcores are based
Come to think of it, PC is sometimes as wishy-washy as his chat. I watch his videos sometimes and he’ll say something, then a few moments later second-guess himself and take it back. I also won’t judge his whole chat based on that one moment.
@@diamondminer5459 its different tho, cuz he's thinking for himself. People are allowed to change their minds, but chat is only changing what they say just to agree with PC.
Also like..... Crits are bullshit. And stupidly overpowered. Also also, she needed the content for the video. Cause I’m sure a good Chunk of the video was produced before she lost.
I always flinch away from people like this guy, who are really critical and tryhardy, but he actually seems compassionate, and understands other people's mindsets and gives credit where credit is do. He openly admits that some of his critisisms are honestly just nerdy and shows that he's respectful of people just playing the game to have fun with a little challenge. So in spite of my subconscious worry about him being overly harsh, he's pretty cool!
I love Jan's "She put me in the animation!" joke about the nerd character, and then later she literally does put him in her video. Absolutely love it, interaction between youtubers is so fun to see
Her successful Nuzlocke was also titled "I Attempted..." so it's not really an admission of failure. It does however allow for the possibility of failure, which I like, because it allows these videos to have some tension, unlike when video creators tell us whether or not they won from the beginning
TBF, why was this such a big deal to the community? Lmfaoooo, its like a SACRED thing not to be broken, or else, everyone will frown down on it and gives off taboo vibes. I'm not a Pokemon fan, so I wouldn't understand it that much. But I find it completely funny.... How a children's game can create such chaos and dramas/issues with small stuffs, small relevance to real life. Either way the video Jaiden made was entertaining to watch, much better than the anime stories. It doesn't deserves the hate it gets, and we should thank her instead that she entertained us by her creation.
Chris Felonall as a Pokémon fan, I don't understand it either. They seem so dead set on their rules that anyone breaking them is to be thrown into a Salem witch trial and accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake. There is one thing that I don't like happening in Nuzlockes like taking advantages of in game glitches to make the hard challenge into an easy challenge to fly through. Doesn't make it satisfying in the end, it's like playing the game normally.
@@chrisfelonall1177 Unfortunately, Elitists run rampart in the nuzlocke community, and they’re on a high horse. I don’t wanna stream a nuzlocke just due to having elitists and more knowledgeable players ruining the experience for me. Just watch his chat in this video, it’s quite annoying.
Man, I can't even imagine bashing Jaiden for the "reset", like shit, from what I saw she asked her fans if they wanted to see her go again and they did. Plus then turned it into a fucking moving lore point in her beautifully animated video, hell yeah, rock that shit.
Forreal it was her birthday so chat decided to let her soft reset and try again even though ppl complain when she herself has said this isnt a win but for entertainment on her channel
like i've said to the billion other people yelling at chat for calling her cringe, I'm 98% positive they were saying cringe at the single bit at the end of the video cuz without context, she threw some anime seeming existential stuff into the end for no reason. once PC explained what it was about, it made sense, and it was no longer without reason.
Honestly ... I think her losing the Nuzlocke and using the Distortion World to convey that was made it more fun to watch. And the story expressing guilt about it was a nice touch.
I think the video she made herself didn't make it clear enough that her run was technically a loss if you didn't see the stream yourself, she kind of made this weird Schrodinger two timeline thing, but if she somehow clarified that the "bad timeline" was the first time she walked up to the E4 it would've made it a lot more fitting. If I was able to edit her script, I probably would've had it be something along the lines of her falling asleep while doing calcs, and her dreaming the "good ending" to then wake up, and learn from the dream "Ok, Flakes outspeeds Garchomp, good to know, if Oops does end up getting crit by Cynthia's Garchomp he's my backup." Then she goes in and immediately loses Colgate, does the patented "You're kidding!", then shows the loss, and says something along the lines of life not being nice, even though in most circumstances the math lines up and this should have been easily possible, she still gets to show her team beating cynthia but with real clarity that she lost.
@@bananaboi9006 She COULD have, but the pokemon games don't have her normal outro, she shows the game's credits, I guess she could've slapped an extra little 5 second thing of her talking at the end to basically say it, current interpretation is fine as well, it's just that people that didn't watch the stream have to be told what happened most of the time.
zabeon I absolutely agree! Since the Distortion World moment I immediately started thinking something went wrong in that run, until realizing it really happened in the very end! It was pure art, tho, because that part makes you empathize with her somehow. I imploded when I saw almost everyone in Twitch chat typing "cringe", I think they forgot she's not an experienced nuzlocker, and knowing she got that far, she only deserved respect. Even I wouldn't be able to get past the Elite Four, given that I never played a nuzlocke run before and I don't think it would be easy for many beginners either.
@@NeroKaligula nah felt like “pick me” energy people can change their opinions but it’s never that fast usually it takes longer they just wanted to shit on her till he defended her
I like that she didn't just cover it up or completely restarted, for the sake of this video. If she did a full second attempt the first one would have probably been ignored in the video. So this gives it more of a "damn she lost" feeling, and she really animated the two "storylines" excellent with the distortion and all making it really enjoyable to watch.
Yeah, hands down amazing story telling and just amazing humility and passion. I believe it is in the top 10 of JadenAnimations videos!! Respect and love are what we all need.
@@carlinc.christensen3478 Ikr!! Like, the way she portrayed herself falling off the edge because of something out of her control (The platform was shorter on Real Jaiden's side while the Other Jaiden's side was longer; they both flinched and stepped back but only the unlucky one "lost," just like the way she lost her nuzlock because of just bad luck) while the "other timeline Jaiden" goes to Real Jaiden's timeline with a masterball where her hand reached out to Real Jaiden :3
to clarify some extra details, she wasnt the one who chose to restart her chat was asking for it cos it was her birthday so she did a poll which 70% said restart at last save, and she didnt actually start at the pokemon center post wipe she reloaded her last save which was back at giritina (working so well with her storytelling) so she did have to redo a fair bit of the game still. Also i saw someone in the chat saying barry wiped her and thats not right she got caught off guard by a crit stone edge against the bug one that killed her togekiss and lost two more mons to the ground one, leaving her only with scizor torterra and magnezone for the fire guy which was an obvious L so she lost and thats when chat suggested a re-do. thanks for the great video and helpful tips
Also for all those “cRiNgE” people in chat - Jaiden only wiped because of a host of bullshit crits, and she took a chat vote on whether to reset or not, not to mention that she also considers herself as having failed the nuzlocke (hence the hollow victory at the end). It’s not like Jaiden is coming out and saying that she legitimately passed the nuzlocke; she technically did fail and she accepts it. edit; holy shit 2.9k likes wtf
Here’s why it really gets me that she should take more credit. First of all I should mention I’m super glad that critical hits were toned back in future games I’ve done the battle tower so many times in SS only to get screwed by crits, they’re either a neat convenience when I get them or a death sentence when used against me. Point number 2, Jaidens Colgate, Oops, and Flakes weren’t killed by Night Slash or air cutter or even frickin focus energy they were moves that don’t have those high Crit ratios it’s totally random and bs. Sometimes you have to cut yourself some slack when a random number generator in a kids game decides you have to live down something you worked so hard to achieve it’s ridiculous
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 I’d implement that for the elite 4 because that’s when I’m most prepared I do research I do everything to make sure my team is as optimal as can be then I get screwed by a crit which is EXACTLY what happened to Jaiden
@@wookiecommander4554 yeah RNG can go crit itself, i name my rivals RNG after my real life rival RNG if they were a person i will kill them you have no idea how many times i got crited, hit myself for no reason when the foe was fine, and worst sin of all of them had moves with 100 or 95 Accuracy miss repeatedly for no reason while the foe did not miss, like now i see rng bs as cheating since it only screws me and not the foe
I love that she continued tbh. I think it’s totally reasonable to say “Hey, I failed my nuzlocke run, but the team could have won if I did X or if Y didn’t happen!” And just play through it. Both can be true where you beat the game with the team you built and love while conceding that you technically LOST the challenge. Who cares that you decided to continue, especially since it’s not like she’s hiding the fact she died!
Also, all of her Bertha deaths were to crits. She did the same thing against Bertha second time around & survived. She literally only lost to Bertha because of bullshit crits
It’s also the best way to learn better plays with various teams. It takes exponentially longer to learn shit when you have to go AALLLLLL the way back to the start to try again. Sure, you could also just read up and watch vids to learn, but it sinks in way faster when you just do it yourself. Now, if it were like a WR Nuzlocke and she lied about the retry etc., that’s a different story. This is just a fun challenge for the sake of telling a story
Jan's speech at the end about playing the game how _you_ find fun is super cool. Not only because his chat was being cringe, and he felt the need to tell them, but because he even admitted himself that he has that devil on his shoulder. I think everyone does, and ignoring it is key to improving yourself, both as a gamer and a person.
Yeah, him not only admitting that he has those thoughts, but also that it's not something he's going to harp on and say, "you have to do it specifically this way or you're doing it wrong!" is a huge show of maturity. It also takes into account that Jaiden's not just a gamer; she's a content creator, an animator, and a storyteller. She set a precedent with her Ruby Nuzlocke that an animation would be paired with her adventure; due to this, there was simply no time for her to 'go back and do it again' after wiping that far into her run. Following the rules to the letter meant she would have had to animate a whole other journey to document her second attempt, which was not feasible time-wise as she (like many content creators) had a rough timeframe where she needed to get the video out, so her choices were either follow chat's advice to reload for another try (and she agonized over it as chat encouraged her to reload from her last save) or end the Nuzlocke right there with no continuation and make that the final result of the animation. It was also her Birthday when it happened, so there was that too. I'd say she did a wonderful job not only acknowledging that she technically didn't 'win' the Nuzlocke, but she also did it in a very cinematic way that tied into the themes of the game itself.
The "cringe ew cringe" and "cheat?" shows how fake chat froggs are, as soon as he said what he said, all of a sudden they were like "omg so true"; "based" blabla. Shut up like damn, let her tell this awesome story of how she, eventually, got to victory, that be with or without a reset. It's a children's game, so let her enjoy it how she wants to. Smh
@@lukecalos4442 Could be, but the thing is they comment without giving context so it seems as if they are reacting to the vid rather than the peeps if that makes sense.
@@Noffilus yes I also didnt understand it... I ve been reading comments for some minutes and this is what came out. Also I watched some Jan's live and his comunity is not that toxic, so I think this is the most possible explain🤔
Caleb Pogue still, she cheated I agree that the story and whatever was cool but what's the point if you can't even finish the nuzlocke with nuzlocke rules
@@fortnitesexman she literally has only done one in the past you act like it’s the end of the world if someone does not follow nuzlock rules. And at least she admitted it happened
Mari It being a kids game doesn't change anything?? And yes it's self imposed, but changing the rules/ignoring them when it benefits you is super lame That's some preschooler level tactics
Narratively speaking, how she approached wiping at that point in the game, made sense. Like the whole distortion world thing, showing us both outcomes, wiping and winning, and then the lamentation of her choices and failures. It works. It’s not a “proper nuzlock” but it works for a video format like this.
And that's the main point (aside from letting everyone enjoy the game in their own terms): she made this for her type of content, not to claim she's some great nuzlocke runner. This isn't some speedrunner posting spliced run as single segment, this is content creator from different side of youtube quickly pointing flashlight to relatively small niche. Animation already takes more time than it's worth in YT so no sane person would expect her to start over in her circumtances.
Tbh saying "cringe" at someone's artful passionate hard work is the most cringe thing you can do. Like at what point did you lose your ability to enjoy fun things and have to compensate by shooting down at others just to feel a fleeting sense of lackluster superiority so you can feel anything positive at all?
It's just gotten way WAY overused. Anything people don't like is getting labeled "CRINGEWORTHY" or some variant. It's basically become shorthand for an actual elaboration on why anything is negative or undesirable.
Bro i looked at chat saying “cringe” and i remembered their names, when he started supporting jaiden THOSE IDIOTS STARTED TO AGREE WITH HIM! I’m not calling any names because you know who you are.
Honestly you’re so right lol Jaiden is an animator who enjoys Pokémon as a hobby... she spends so much time on these videos and so much time was also spent streaming the game I really don’t blame her for wanting to be done with it. She’s technically acknowledge she lost, but for the sake of getting her content out and finishing the game she decided to restart and add an awesome twist to her video. She could have just ended the video at Bertha and say “welp I lost”, but where’s the fun in that
I guess that explains why her animations are so good. I just visited her channel for the first time and was like holy crap she has 10m subs and I've never seen her until PC's reacts.
I absolutely despise the people saying “Cringe” or “SHE CHEATED” in that chat. It’s absolutely toxic and uncalled for to do that, especially since it was more entertaining and was good story wise to do as saying it outright would be more like a small chuckle or a bad taste in your in mouth rather than raw and heartful emotion to it. It’s also hilarious seeing people saying she wiped out to Barry, pure obliviousness XD.
Yeah and the explanation of that was pretty reasonable because she had an extreme bad luck during her first attempt but the chat recognize that she didn't make major mistakes so they told her to repeat that again, and even she still accepted that she didn't really win.
Similar happened with Team Four Star's Soul Silver Nuzlock where they redid the Elite Four, just to follow through with a plot that their Slowbro was actually an evil spirit possessing their game, that refused to be buried (released by PC, but failed because it was the only one with the move waterfall, or surf, probably an anti-softlock measure.) getting killed right before they actually got there, and it had the means to singlehandedly defeat the entire Elite Four, redoing the whole fight to prove that very point after winning the first time, with at the end of the day, it being just a fun joke, yet it got plenty of bash despite the fact they already beat it once, and didn't amount to anything against the Nuzlock, at least in the set path, as one doesn't typically redo the Elite Four as it has no benefits other than grinding for high exp, with a Pokemon they got rid off afterwards and "lifted the curse." They were entertainers first, and it was clear it was just for the lore, and mostly the lolz, which brings them being called as cheaters, or ruining the Nuzlock kinda pointless. Only thing I can agree with as technically cheating was that they modded the game to where Gym Leader Blue had their Beedrill from Pokemon Leaf Green as part of a joke, and changing Red's entire team into their victory team from the same game, which I think is less cheating, and more doing an odd/unique Nuzlock that ends up being so much fun, imagine doing a Gold/Silver Nuzlock, and your final battle is against your team from the previous game.
Ngl it was a little cringe, like she didn't have to be that melodramatic. But I can still see why she did it, her original audience was okay with it, and it still made for an entertaining video (idc about the "cheating" remarks, it's just a game). But I can see why some people who didnt know/watch the streams would say its cringe. Because without that knowledge, it's just pure melodrama and even knowing the reasons behind it, comes across really weird. She didnt do a great job conveying that she reset and did the elite 4 again for the people who didnt watch her streams, as shown by the people being confused during that section in this video. Like, she could have easily told the story of her being defeated, then deciding to do it again because her audience said she should try again. It would have been just as entertaining and not as melodramatic nor trying too hard to be overly deep. She tried to pull off a thing, and for some people it just didnt land. People are allowed to dislike something, that doesn't mean its "toxic". Its not really a big deal in the end what she did or didnt do, just as much as it's not a big deal that some people didnt like it and thought it was "cringe".
The distortion alt-timeline thing because she didn't succeed in the E4 on her first attempt, while totally breaking with the traditional Nuzlocke, is SUCH good storytelling and honestly a wonderful spin on something that went so horribly originally, and the animation was so good. Edit: I also love how Jan is so cool about it. "Then there's the person in me, who's a well-adjusted social person" TRU, so true man. There's no reason to do something that isn't fun for you at all just because of purity. And Jaiden got such a great video with fun lore out of it! And the lore is honestly my favorite part of watching her Nuzlocke animations
I know no one is going to see this, but I love how a lot of people in the comments are calling out the toxic chat behavior. It really makes me proud that people pointed it out instead of ignoring it.
UA-cam is surprisingly much nicer then twitch. Now of course stuff like that also depends on the streamer and how much they are willing to put up with or ignore, but twitch is generally very toxic.
Fun little detail I saw in the run lost timeline, Scizor looks like it was taking a stance to attempt to protect the others, who are all located behind it in the shot. Little detail that makes me sad.
And she KNEW that she was breaking Nuzlocke rules and admitted it to us, who were watching live, but we all accepted her retrying the League because it was her game, she could do whatever she wanted! So, nice words, PC, at the end. And nice review of her Nuzlocke as always!
@@goldenfarrier216 I don't remember fully, it's been a while since the stream but I'm almost sure that we all agreed that it was to restart just the elite four
"Then there's the person in me who is a well adjusted social person..." LOL, well spoken. She even asked her community if she should continue. At that point, she's being a content creator for her fans.
More importantly, she said in the stream during the retry (loosely paraphrased) "I'm not lying to myself. I lost the nuzlocke. This isn't to change that to a nuzlocke win. I just want to see if my plan would have worked without the unlucky RNG, and to at least lose to Cynthia for the video" Hence the "I don't think I deserve this" line after beating Cynthia. So yeah, content creator as you said, plus some curiosity. Nothing cringe about either of those.
@@andrewjenkins8800 I know it's been a year but the cringe came in when she did a dramatic speech of retrospection of how alternative universe Jaiden is the same as current universe Jaiden and how they are as similar to each other as she is similar to her self and her heart sank as the ominous wind blew her over. She managed to make a pokemon video more dramatic then funerals I been to and movies I have watched and it fell flat because it was pokemon
Cringe is a strong word but I would say she did overdo it with the "depth" and "drama" when I am pretty sure that her audience just wanted to watch a light hearted funny video about her nuzlocke. It came off as pretty weird to me at least
I feel like the flashes of how her pokemon died in the first run weren’t cringe but she should have been a lot more straightforward that she failed the first try
to add to what you said about the second elite 4 attempt: she also is crafting a narrative here. playing the nuzlocke is ultimately part of the content creation process. maybe she felt that her run would make for a pretty good story. and she crafted a narrative for her second attempt. and animating this must have taken a crapton of time. sometimes you just need to move on and think of the end goal: an enjoyable video for people to watch.
What pissed me off more is how quickly they went from "CRINGE REEEEE!" when Jan was explaining it from a Nuzlocker POV to "TRUE BASED REEEEE!" when he started defending her saying she could play how she wanted to since at the end of the day, she isn't a Nuzlocker, but a content creator.
In my honest opinion, I think Jaiden deserved to restart. It was her birthday, her viewers consented to it, and she deserved it. To all the people out there who said that she was breaking nuzlocke rules, well, a lot of people were okay with that, so...need I explain more?
And to be honest, even when she was explain it in her Ruby Nuzlocke; she never said she had to restart if she lost her team...she simply said "If a Pokémon faints, it 'dies' and you can no longer use it." So to be fair...even if she lost her team...then technically she could have kept continuing until she no longer had any "alive" Pokémon in her PC.
She also kind of wanted to finish the stream and at least be able to include the cynthia fight in the video we see here, it's not as easy for her to commit the full game as it may be for some of the other nuzlocke-tubers, the soft reset makes more sense here because she died to the elite 4. She probably could've gotten pokemon out of her box and kept going (ignoring the white-out = restart clause, but whatever).
@@farts8351 Yeah, she lost like, half her team to some unfortunate crits so she took a vote in her stream to see if she should do a soft reset. The stream agreed that she should, so she did
Anyone who’s mad that she retried the elite four without resetting needs to do something better with their time, she didn’t do it for competitive/serious purposes, she just did it for fun. Not that serious.
@Anurag Sinha the whole thing is you dont get a 2nd chance unless its a second run. Whatever happens has to stick otherwise theres no point. I have been swept before and used a new team. Now its not everyone sure not everyone has the patience to grind up 6 new mons or more. She did it for fun sure and its her nuzlocke but it would be foolish to think nobody would say these things cause everybody has a different way of seeing it and to be fair they arent wrong
@@Venemofthe888 She's also a full-time animator and doesn't have an endless amount of time to dedicate to a single game & animation. Starting over would've meant she either had to make her video twice as long, which is painful and unrealistic and would completely fuck up her upload schedule, or she'd have to take the L and potentially put out a disappointing animation that does so poorly that the time she spent on it was basically wasted. What she did here was the smartest compromise. Besides, it was her birthday the day she was finishing the run on the Elite Four. 70% of chat was saying "TREAT YO'SELF" and she did just that, because she wanted to entertain her fans and her fans thought she deserved a second chance. These Nuzlocke runs she does are about content & entertainment first, and the actual challenge second. She doesn't have the same priority as professional Nuzlockers, and that's fine. I'm glad she got the chance to make this animation have a genuinely unique twist + take on Nuzlockes and how they would affect the story she was telling. She got a little experimental with things and it turned out well for her. She got what *she* wanted and needed out of this run, and that's really all that matters.
@Anurag Sinha i am aware of this but she shouldn't of had the poll tbh. Whatever happens happens there are no excuses at least to me. As i said everyone sees it differently and we don't have to agree at all. I think she should of taken the loss showing that not every nuzlocke ends in happiness and i think it would of been accepted better.
Jaden's impressive. Like you said, she keep casually doing legitimately great strategies in the gameplay despite being an amateur at Nuzlocking. Then on top of that the animations are really great and the storytelling has good flow and lots of wit.
I love how Jan does these and is just super encouraging and nice rather than just being a pretentious asshole like "yOu ShOuLd HaVe DoNe ThIs YoUr So DuMb 0/10 BaD GaMeR" like he genuinely approaches them understanding that not everyone is super serious about them and as knowledgeable about the game and just wants to help people improve at Nuzlockes. Good on you PC! Way to be a decent person unlike most people on the internet and those who do these kind of reaction videos.
Agreed. Especially his harsh judgment on MandJTV's Nuzlocke. The dude did not enjoy his run and blamed the game for his mistakes, so it would be expected that no one would find the content entertaining. Jaiden genuinely enjoyed her runs and pushed through the deaths with more resolve and less bitterness. I'm also super happy that she took a really bad ending and turned it into a really intriguing plot device for her animated storytelling.
@@garylum1686 the whole reason hsi chat was spamming cringe was cuz they didn't have context to the edgy existential storytelling at the end. once PC cleared it up it made sense
She actually left out the part where she planned out how to get gible from the cave. She checked all the encounters that she could have gotten and then went and caught them all at different routes to make sure she encountered the gible. Great planning, the crit was a bummer
@@glam4663 I believe that's what the part about "I wanted to catch a Yanma but accidentally threw a ball at a Wooper" meant - she didn't mean to catch the Wooper, she probably misclicked and caught it by accident, and dupes clause doesn't protect you from accidentally throwing a Pokeball at a duplicate.
@@underFlorence or I think she might play dupes clause as just the 'caught' symbol next to the Pokemon. So eventhough she caught a Quagsire before, the Wooper is technically not a dupes because she never owned one. But yeah normally you just block out the whole evolutionary line
@@Srijan_D well it's kinda playing TOO casually if you catch a pokemon and release it to catch another pokemon because DuPeS ClAuSe. She mature about it, she caught it, she used it. Even if by some stretch she could have justified releasing it.
@@glam4663 I watched her streams. She had dupes clause like this: "I can choose not to catch a Pokemon from an evolutionary tree that I have already catched". So she could plan to get the gible (she did) but since she "misclicked" to throw a ball, she opted to get the Pokemon, and therefore lost her yanma encounter
She played and lost. Her chat voted for her to run it back, and she played it well enough to win the next time. That's pretty much all that needs to be said.
@@ahmedelbna6085 the general consensus is if you lose all of your pokemon for any reason, you lose the game and have to restart. I mean, these rules aren't enforced by anyone but yourself so you technically can. It would just take an obsene amount of time to train an entirely new team without being able to catch any new pokemon since you're at the literal end of the game
I love that Jan is being so nice about jaiden failing the elite 4 the first time. Cuz ya Pokémon do have kids and OG fans playing it, but if a kid trying a nuzlocke , I think they deserve a break and atleast deserve to go back to where their last save point was and not all the way back to the very beginning.
@@_____moritard.8557 Idk about you but spamming cringe to Jaiden's video and then spamming based imediatly after being called out doesnt seem like the best of vibes
@@gamecoder3833 no, they said cringe bc of the speech she made Honestly, the chat is cringe in how they were spaming cringe and when he said about that it doesn't matter they immediately spam true or based
@@sic996 no, you've got it wrong Dx, I mean they say cringe to her animation and speech all the time when the ones who say cringe surely can't even do a fry egg. What I mean is they are a non-stop judging when they don't know how to animate
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One thing that could also be mentioned in terms of the retrying the elite four is that she was playing the game specifically for this video and needed a lot of time to animate it. She had already put several hours in streaming the game and only had so much time left before she needed to start working on the animation so retrying it for the sake of the video makes total sense in my opinion. Plus, it made for a good story in the end.
Yikes at that chat. I love Jaidens work and how she plays. Amazing animator and story teller. She's doing it for fun and had a good time. I was sad that she was sad she lost. But her fans in her chat kept her going. Warmed my heart. Fun reaction video. I learned a lot. I've been trying to nulzocke my own Pokemon games. It's difficult. And I can't stand it. But imma keep trying until I win!
The fact is that Jaiden is a storyteller first and a gamer second, and most of the people in chat probably don't watch her content and so they don't understand that about her, but I think that is what makes her so great, she's honest and kind and she admitted to her previous failure while also making a story out of it and that's what matters. She had fun so who cares if she technically broke a few rules. Also I'm glad you're trying nuzlockes! I completely understand how difficult they can be.... and how sad it is to lose a Pokemon or to fail... But never give up!
@@Noblewynter I mean it’s kinda like speed running. It isn’t just like “get to the end of the game” there are rules to follow and different categories for each game. You can casually do it and add rules but if you deviate, it’s not the end of the world. She did it for her chat and she didn’t sully the challenge by claiming an absolute victory. Not everybody can do it and unless everyone in that chat does it themselves they can’t imagine how tough that must be to even reach that point. She did a big amount of that challenge and she tried her hardest and failed and admitted it. That’s true, and while she didn’t win the Nuzlocke. She grew from it.
@@Noblewynter honestly, I don’t think I can do a Nuzlocke, but I have an idea for a softer version designed for me. I usually burn out on Pokémon games because I’m a completionist. I use wikis and try to catch every ‘mon. It takes months. So I’ll cut out the permadeath and instead have: 1. Keep the “first encounter per area” and “nickname them” rules. 2. Play as “blind” as possible (it’s been 10 years since I last played any) unless I get completely lost/stuck. What do you think?
Anyone curious about the distortion world glitch during the elite 4, Jaiden lost her first run through the elite 4 due to RNG. Those flashbacks with togekiss Garchomp and quagsire were all critical hit kills and she lost to flint. She reset to the start of the elite 4 before she lost and retried. The chat voted to reset before the lost attempt.
@@Sombres There's very rarely a time Bullshit Clause would apply, but THAT would. I can understand her feeling she didn't deserve the win, and thinks she lost.
On a lighter note, the nuzlocke was clearly never intended to be the primary focus here. It was the animation and her narrative and both are fantastic.
The people saying cringe at her speech at the end and how she retried the elite four are pretty cringe themselves lol. He was right when he said people should play whichever way they like most
As a nuzlocke player I agree, tho as a creative I did feel the way she said it was a bit cringey, like actually saying the words "when giratina split me apart in the distortion world" feels a bit much? All the visual cues were there so I feel like it would've sounded better if she was a bit more subtle with that.
@@an_oracle yeah I kinda agree with that but I also kinda feel like maybe some people wouldn't have totally understood what was going on if she hadn't said all that stuff
@@infernoseph6867 Yeah but if you want to fully understand it you need outside knowledge of how the run went anyway, so you might as well be subtle and let the comment section explain it for the dummies
@@an_oracle Its hard to judge as a creator rather or not what you're trying to say is going to read well enough or just be completely confusing. Jaiden can't exactly look at it with fresh eyes and no context. Communicating a story without any words at all isn't easy. I don't know about Jaiden but if it were me I would also do the cringy speech incase I didn't manage to clearly illustrate the idea.
I don't stan jaiden, but I do stan creativity. The video she produced and provided was just as good as the last nuzlocke video she did. And if she wants to make the explanation for her win here be Giratina splitting her being apart and letting them experience two different events, let her do it. But I understand too where the chat is coming from, following just the game and nothing else. Not everything lands. And that's fine.
I see more people hating on the chat than people commenting on the video. Which imo is as toxic. I generally don't even look at the chat in these comment style videos but now I am suddenly aware of it which hampers my viewing experience. And honestly, all they said was "Cringe" a multiple times.
@@papaelf420 That's kinda why I'm down with it. She might be bummed about not it not being a proper win, but as a piece of entertainment on the internet, it simply made it so much better, and that one particular frame for instance is just so damn badass I can't take it.
@@SondreGrneng I have nothing else to say but I agree. But everyone that replied to this comment has a giant paragraph so I’m gonna rant for a while to make it look like I have a much more complicated option👌😅✨
I think that's it's absolutely beautiful how she implemented her feelings of regret into the animation, specially without it being explicit. Whether you play with the hardest set of rules or just mindlessly smash the same button when you play a videogame, it is you who decide how you want to enjoy it. And I can honestly empathize with her regret "breaking" her own rules because the first time I played pokemon as a 10 y/o I cheated by using a friend's pokemon to end the game since I was incapable to beat Cynthia by myself.
I now what you mean, during my first game I used cheats to get rarecandies and levelup some of my pokemons because I wasn't able to play the time required to play the game as I wanted.
In fairness to 10 y/o you, Cynthia is arguably the hardest Pokémon champion. Especially if you’re young. I beat her when I was 6 but that was only after 5 tries and grinding up to a level 75 Dialga in Pokémon Diamond.
most of the time the people chanting different things are separate groups, when you have large enough gatherings there are going to be moments like that.
@@baddiexfilms4311 I also didn't know, and people don't seem to realize that not everyone is a native english speaker, so I checked in urban dictionary: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based From what I understood (if I understood it wrong please correct me), it's kinda like praising the person for having their opinion and not caring if it might be controversial, or something like that. (edit: I might have incorrectly assumed that you're not a native english speaker, because I'm not, and incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that not knowing what it means meant that you're not a native english speaker(which doesn't really make sense, since many native speakers probably also don't know), if you are, sorry about that, wasn't meant as an insult)
"And then there's the person in me who's a well adjusted social person who's like, 'It's a self imposed challenge run of a children's game.'" I died. XD
Cringe: being a twitch hivemind and thinking sincerity is lame/ resetting a Nuzlocke breaks the rules. Based: being Pokemon Challenges and realizing that this is an extended ruleset for an 11 year old kids game that doesn’t even matter.
@@tyronnvinanciomalazarte9 I know but I'm just clarifying that I was asking a question. I get it's a dumb question but I'm not great at getting sarcasm sometimes. Hence why I asked the question
For me personally, it's like the best outcome for platinum. She's not a professional nuzlocker, but a storyteller and animator. If she didn't we won't have that wonderful plot of events where she had an alternate reality back on the distortion world. She made it to be like the best plot on her storytelling.
The take at the end of this video is great and level-headed and just so refreshing. The Nuzlocke challenge started out as a self-imposed challenge in the first place, and no excessively passionate elitists should take away your fun just because you wanted to tweak a few things for your own enjoyment. Sure, it won't count as a "real" run to them, but that's not really the point of why you started your run, is it?
The run was real, but I think we can all agree that no, she didn't do the nuzlocke successfully, but in the end it wasn't what mattered. She got her content, had fun and that's what mattered
Yeah, totally. I mean, she was already in the final curtain of the game. She lost the challenge, of course, there's no denying that. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, and since she was already so close, why not finish it? games and challenges are made for us to enjoy and have fun with them, after all.
@@mechacode8527 She also was dealt a terrible hand from start to finish. The amount of repeat critical hits that happened in the Elite Four was insane.
When her garchomp outsped and then cracked the smile in the animation i lost my fucking mind im gonna go sub 2 to this girl shes talented as all hell. Also enormous respect for calling ur chat out for being the literal worst.
Yeah but they were cringing at the stuff she said cause it was getting kinda cheesy lmao. I dont think they were cringing because she decided to try again. Is that what you are saying or no?
@@masteroforionisamazing6857 she put it up to her chat and her chat said she could restart, because it was her birthday. I don't know why I said that here.
@@lowfat_booger1929 not everyone in chat knew the context of the “deepness,” so they were more than likely calling cringe on that. Kinda normie to automatically yell “cringe” when someone tries to get introspectively artsy, though ig it was a little out of left field for the video (even if it fit so well with everything that actually happened imo).
I actually loved how her resetting and feeling guilty about it played into the narrative and her monologue at the end, this video was truly a masterpiece.
That chat was honestly disgusting, saying cRiNgE and based and just being generally rude. There were some people who were fine but everyone saying she cheated is just toxic. Jaiden herself admitted that she resetted and didn’t feel like she deserved the win. She’s a storyteller animator first, nuzlocker second
like i've said to the billion other people yelling at chat for calling her cringe, I'm 98% positive they were saying cringe because of the storytelling at the end, because without context, it seems edgy and anime and existential, but once I got context I understood and appreciated it. I figure chat was probably the same and is just getting trashed cuz people misunderstand.
@Most Pinework edgy? Lmao wtf, i acknowledge everyone has feelings, even i myself have feelings lmao, the thing is getting genuinely pissed at some people for insulting your animating queen is absoluteky ridiculous.
Jaiden has millions of subscribers, so your statement goes to the extreme in her case. I don't think a single one of her subs would call this content cringe.
Ya nuzlockes suck. All I can think of is when Voltage was brutally incinerated by a centiscorch. I understand the feeling and it was completely understandable.
Nuzlocks can be super hard on you mental health, I quit a nuzlocks Because I couldn't stop crying over the fact that I had to switch in my starter has a shield to win a fight. in still in therapy because of it, naming a Pokemon isn't there for fun
I think they didn't say cringe because she did the 2nd attempt, but because of the way she presented it, with that dramatic speech about how she doesn't deserve it (which was a really cool and badass way to present it IMO). Doesn't make it better, the people spamming cringe there were the only ones to be cringy.
If I had a nickel for every time Jan calculated the exact damage that Mars’s Purugly in the Valley Windworks would do with a scratch crit while reacting to someone elses nuzlocke, I’d have 2 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Another thing about her redoing the Elite Four is that it built a beautiful story to the nuzlocke. It makes the storytelling of separate timelines way more interesting.
Fuck man. Jan is such a good guy. There’s always that “cringe vs based” aesthetic around but hes really just a good guy. I know you don’t read these but thanks for being authentic.
His god complex is pretty apparent, but he tries not to show it and be courteous. Also I haven’t heard a single soul say “based” in a few years besides him and his chat
God, screw the chat. I'm watching 90% of the chat go "Cringe!!!!" "Cringe cringe cringe" towards the end of the video because of her storytelling. And then the second he says that her resetting was fine and it's all up to her, everyone did a 180 and the chat was filled with "TRUE" "TRUEEE". A chat that toxic needs to be addressed or they all need to take a step back and just reflect on how they're essentially just all being npc's.
Twitch is quite a funny place. The audience can't easily form a coherent and attended statement without donating to the streamer, so you get a bunch of emotes and one word spammy replies to get a reaction. It seems to devolve into accepting whatever comes into their minds the quickest, then agreeing with what the streamer says immediately. The animation was beautiful in an artistic sense and nearly sound in a tactical sense, but the chat looks at the parts that aren't 100% pure nuzlock rules and cries "cringe". Pretty heartbreaking if you ask me.
They were not calling her storytelling cringe, due to the channel being a (pro) nuzlocker's the chat frowns upon resetting the run. The chat forgets that Jaiden is an animator first, and a nuzlocker like 56th.
@@jamemhm The people in chat started saying cringe when she started to talk about her "alternate self". I'm pretty sure that not everyone in chat knew she reset. The number of people saying cringe grew once he said she reset. It was a combination of both. That still doesn't change my point that the chat is toxic.
Posted Before Watching For those wondering what the "glitches" were, it was indeed her second Elite Four attempt. This is what happened: (Thankfully, this happened in an alternate universe thanks to Giratina so if you decide to not read, good on you.) First Run: -Aaron's Heracross got a crit super effective Stone Edge on Colgate (Togekiss) & killed it. -Bertha's Rhyperior Crit Earthquaked Oops (Quagshire) and killed it -Bertha's Rhyperior also Avalanched Flakes (Garchomp) and killed it as well. -Restart to last save (before Elite Four)
Damn Jan, your ending speech really touched me.... Amongst all the (sometimes rough) things you say, it really showed how much you care for the game and what it stands for :) . Thank you, it means a lot in a toxic internet world! Beste Grüße
Jaiden actually lost her first run on the elite 4. She lost her togekiss to a stone edge by heracross. Lost oops and garchomp to rhyperior. And she knew scizor torterra and magnezone had no chance against flint but because it was her birthday the chat allowed her to reset and those were the flashbacks.
I feel like it makes it all the better that she was wiped during Platinum too. The distortion world is one of the most unique parts of platinum and to use that to own up to your own failure is something really unique about her run. Plus, as most people mention, she was 100% willing to scratch the run bc of the failure. But her chat told her to keep going and so she did. Like Jan said, it’s a childrens game. It’s meant to be fun, it’s not meant to make you hate the game or be depressed.
Jan understands the true purpose of the Nuzlocke challenge: to make a interesting story you likely wouldn’t create without such restrictions. Think about what the traditional rules do: They force variety by limiting you to a random encounter per route. They force variety by removing fainted Pokémon from the team. They personalize the story by nicknaming all the Pokémon you catch. They get rid of certain optimization strategies like breading or otherwise hunting for the perfect Pokémon. Now, consider what the more advanced rules do: Set mode improves the pace of battle, removes mind reading, and increases the risk of certain strategies. Level caps force you to play pure mechanics with the AI, no brute force. Banning items or limiting items to those available to the AI evens the playing field and maintains the four move slot limit (X items basically act as additional setup move slots). Duplicates clause increases variety and adds repel manipulation strategy to the game. Banning certain Pokémon removes game breaking strats.
I think I heard that it was her birthday or something when she lost to the elite four, and it was her community's decision to redo the Elite 4? So she didn't exactly restart the gauntlet out of selfishness in front of her audience in order to get a win, but from the sounds of it was pushed up to try again by lots of voices.. like one of those scenes where you see all the hands/silohettes catching someone as they're falling, and then pushing them back up onto their feet. Corny, but accurate.
Probably also best to add on she doesn't exactly have many chances to do a run considering she is an animation UA-camr and we all know how UA-cam treats animation channels. It could have been a while before she could completely restart a run for a new stream.
Damn, Jaiden got Random Critted so many times in this version of Pokémon Platinum. I'm almost convinced the entirety of The Mons in The Game had a TF2 Frying Pan equipped in a Hidden Item Slot
It got even worse in the original Elite Four run, to where she was left with only her Fire-weak mons against Flint. Her chat let her retry it because this was mostly bad RNG and it was her birthday.
She’s an animator who’s using this as inspiration for content. I like the way she said she doesn’t deserve it but can get the need to complete it after investing that much time. As long as she had fun, who cares what rules she followed.
I hope that the internet cesspool hivemind doesn't scare her away from doing more nuzlockes or challenge runs if she enjoys them. Her animation is really really great and it's super cool to see the adventure. It'd be a shame if she stopped because of idiots screaming that it's not a real win even when she says she doesn't see it as a real win.
Context: The Giratina split represents 2 runs. One being the initial run which she lost due to Bertha and Flint, which is why you could see her Pokémon getting wiped. And the other being the run in the video.
yikes to the people who said "cringe" upon seeing the ending, and then saying "based" once PC started defending Jaiden. i'm not calling out specific usernames, but going back in the chat and checking usernames shows the same exact people doing a full 180 as soon as PC starts calling them out. bandwagoning to look like the better person to a person you like is really shallow and doesn't excuse the fact that you trashed on Jaiden for "breaking nuzlocke rules" on her own nuzlocke when she doesn't even NL professionally. please love yourself and realize it's really not at all cool to just be rude for a laugh. kindness begets kindness, and hatred begets hatred. you get what you get, so if you're one of the people who did that, you very much deserve getting called out and i hope you take a REAL turnaround towards becoming less gatekeep-ey and hateful.
Your ending speech is why I like your channel. A+. Let people play. Especially for content creators with possible deadlines, and it worked well for the story and the animations. Worked great with "distortion world"
It makes me really sad that people were spamming ‘cringe’. She’s an awesome story teller. Edit: Upon binging his content further, it looks like ‘cringe’ is an inside joke with his chat. Not my taste but definitely explains it.
Jaiden’s thing at the end always reminds me of “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.” She might be crazy hard on herself she technically lost, but it’s sometimes just as easy or even more easy to lose doing everything right than to win.
That Jaiden video is probably one of my favorite of all time. The animation, storytelling, the emotional pull on my long dead heart. Just so damn good. Can't imagine how long it took to do as well, goddamn.
![The Complete Story of Destiny! From origins to Shadowkeep [Timeline and Lore explained]](/img/n.gif)
For those who didn’t watch the stream, Jaiden actually lost her first attempt at the Elite Four. Her Togekiss died to a crit Stone Edge against Aaron’s Heracross, and her Garchomp and Quagsire had really unlucky deaths against Bertha’s Rhyperior. Since the rest of her team was weak against Flint, she gave up. However, since the reason for her losing was extremely unlucky and not mistakes on her part, she did a poll asking if she could retry the Elite Four. 70% said yes, so she did it again. She won, but it was hollow. “Alternate Timeline Jaiden” was her, when she lost the first attempt.
That makes much more sense. Thank you.
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The way she presented it in her video was awesome in my opinion. I love her animation style
Thank you man, I was thinking it was just more of an artsy finish to it, but that explanation is so much better
At the end of the day, Jaiden's job isn't nuzlocking, it's entertaining her audience and if her audience was ok with her reseting (which it sounds like they were) and it makes for better content, then there's really no reason not to. Also I'd just like to applaud Jaiden for how she implemented the reset into the video by only really hinting at it and giving an in-universe explanation, since not mentioning it at all would be disingenuous, but just coming out and saying "hey guys, so I actually failed my first attempt at the elite four but it was B.S so I reset" would ruin narrative flow. Well done all around.
She made a poll and 70% of her chat ok with reset
Yeah she didn’t even want to reset but she put it up to her chat and they said reset elite four
"You gotta think of THE CONTENT!!"
-Technoblade
@@emberdragon4248 A fellow man of culture.
@@gavinator2730 I mean there was a third option that doesn't violate Nuzlocke rules and would have maintained the narrative.
Accept the deaths and rebuild from the Box.
Could have gone and grabbed a few missed encounters if she had to, she probably had the route southeast of Sandgem and the Fuego Ironworks available.
The main thing about her reset:
She was totally willing to say she had failed. HER OWN CHAT told her to try again, telling her that because it was HER BIRTHDAY that she deserved another chance.
And then, not only does she not ignore that she wiped, she came up with a SUPER cool way to explain what happened.
And I agree with this guy: these are self imposed rules designed to make a kids game more challenging. Who cares how you play YOUR Nuzlocke?
Ye, very fun story telling imo. The guys saying "cringe" in his chat are the real cringy ones.
I actually think the story was more interesting because of there being two attempts.
I know in nuzlockes once you fail, you reset, but I like this way better. I'm glad she tried again.
i also heard that Bad Luck played a factor into it as well, all the death where Crits.
@@supersasukemaniac they were. Every single death was from a crit. It's why chat was all for giving her a redo.
She did everything exactly the same, same moves, same team order, changed nothing, but didn't get unlucky crit and survived.
Exactly. I didn't feel cringe watching her story, but I really cringed out when I saw chat spamming "CRINGE". Those stupid ass kids man, always think they're so edgy and badass when they are just embarrassing themselves.
i swear to god the people spamming "cringe" at the beautiful storytelling then IMMEDIATELY backpedaling when jan supports her makes my blood boil
I imagine they were spamming "cringe" as a joke. Maybe a few of them were dissatisfied, but some people just get levity from poking fun. The people who backpedaled probably respected Jaden's decision from the beginning, they just wanted to tease her for the failed run. When PC gave his 2 cents, that was their cue to solute Jaiden for the great attempt.
The term cringe is throw around so much these days that it's barely even an insult anymore. Like when an anime gets super popular and people throw around the term "mid" to say "It's a fine show, but it doesn't do anything for me personally" in the most frustrating way possible. Cringe has basically become "It doesn't sit right with me. I don't agree with it."
don't mind jan's twitch chat, there's lots of inside jokes. they aren't being serious
We call these people Sycophants.
It’s cause at the end of the day it’s Pokémon and his community isn’t used all that story telling
Incredibly common twitch L
I love the ending because she's not some professional nuzlocker. She's a storyteller. And so she did what was best to create an amazing and engaging tale. Plus, its what her viewers wanted.
shes a really good storyteller. im one of those weirdos who considers any pokemon i catch as a functioning member of the team and not just some pixels on the screen, and she does a really good job portraying them as living breathing creatures. i cry watching her video when members of her team are beaten cuz she gives them so much life
@@angrysmoli That moment where she sacrifices the low level Shinx she literally nicknamed "Failure" and still manages to make it feel incredibly sad that it died. Absolutely wonderful animator and storyteller.
Yes!
Yeah exactly from what I heard about the stream her viewers voted on whether she should retry the elite four with the same team.
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Jaiden: reasonably chooses not to lose everything at the very end
Chat: CRINGE CRINGE CRINGE
PC: "It's all about having fun; everyone's free to play nuzlockes however they like"
Chat, immediately doing a 180: BASED BASED BASED
Respect for PC, but his audience are a bunch of NPC
At least a few people called out the ones spamming cringe before pc even started defending her
The vibe I got was chat was cringing at the video ending not her trying again. If you don't know about her second attempt, and it looks like most of chat didn't until it was brought up, her whole speech about her "alternate timeline" self's failures and did she really win in the end? Is kind of cringy.
@@blackheartdistrution I had no idea about the stream and I thought the video was awesome, but that's also bc I don't know the story of Pokemon Platinum so I thought that's what the story is actually like. But even after I learned of the stream, I liked the video more. It's such a cool and fun way of implementing that event into the video.
@@mascotwithadinosaur9353 Same, I think it's a nice way to show the split. But I was definitely confused by the end my first time
The fact that Jaiden wove her original defeat into the overall narrative of this run is kind of genius and really well done! :p
Yeah, it was pretty clever
Team Four Star did something similar with the split timeline motif too
@@jacoblynn6394 they also found a way to make the movies tie into dbza.
@@jacoblynn6394 j
I had to watch that part twice because I didn't understand, but when i figured it out i though it was extremely creative and well done
"It's a self-imposed challenge run of a children's game, who gives a shit"
Realest advice he's ever given in a reaction. Lots of people (probably most of us here) have more fun by being stricter with ourselves, but the people that don't don't have to. Hardcores who respect non-hardcores are based
Love how chat was like "Cheater!!" At first and as soon as he said it doesn't matter most of chat was like " OMG so true"
Come to think of it, PC is sometimes as wishy-washy as his chat. I watch his videos sometimes and he’ll say something, then a few moments later second-guess himself and take it back.
I also won’t judge his whole chat based on that one moment.
@@diamondminer5459 its different tho, cuz he's thinking for himself. People are allowed to change their minds, but chat is only changing what they say just to agree with PC.
What do you expect, its twitch chat. They litteraly base their entire personalities on what Jan says is based and cringe
It's almost like there's multiple people in chat.
@@diamondminer5459 wait why did you ctrl v this in so many comments' replies?
"It's a self imposed challenge run of a children's game." Best summation ever.
Let nobody else touch the like button on this comment, unless 351 more people like it. 69 is a holy number that shall not be touched.
@@kaitoshion4933 Couldnt do much except giving it the 169th like ...
200 to go
Also like..... Crits are bullshit. And stupidly overpowered. Also also, she needed the content for the video. Cause I’m sure a good Chunk of the video was produced before she lost.
10/10. Best pov
"It's a self-imposed challenge run of a children's game. Who gives a fuck?"
I died laughing.
That statement alone.
It hit deep. Respect for this.
Also, makes me even more want to do a Nuzlocke for myself (again).
He completely shut down the toxic trolls in the chat.
Yugi Moto: "But if we just play kid games for fun, how can we settle mass murders and end of the world doomsday duelist."
I always flinch away from people like this guy, who are really critical and tryhardy, but he actually seems compassionate, and understands other people's mindsets and gives credit where credit is do. He openly admits that some of his critisisms are honestly just nerdy and shows that he's respectful of people just playing the game to have fun with a little challenge. So in spite of my subconscious worry about him being overly harsh, he's pretty cool!
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I love Jan's "She put me in the animation!" joke about the nerd character, and then later she literally does put him in her video. Absolutely love it, interaction between youtubers is so fun to see
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357 likes and only one comment lemme fix that
Timestamp? I didn't see when he was actually in vid
@@MichaelHullMusic it's not this video, it's another one where she did a Soullink Nuzlocke with alpharad and Jan becomes their rival
@@MichaelHullMusic12:30, when she talks about the nerd he goes ‘THATS ME!’
To be fair to the split ending, the title is “I ATTEMPTED a Platinum Nuzlocke.” An admission that the Nuzlocke wasn’t won.
Her successful Nuzlocke was also titled "I Attempted..." so it's not really an admission of failure. It does however allow for the possibility of failure, which I like, because it allows these videos to have some tension, unlike when video creators tell us whether or not they won from the beginning
@@mariobros2169 holy shit dude you destroyed him lmao
Edit: i think op edited his comment, and now he is based.
TBF, why was this such a big deal to the community? Lmfaoooo, its like a SACRED thing not to be broken, or else, everyone will frown down on it and gives off taboo vibes. I'm not a Pokemon fan, so I wouldn't understand it that much. But I find it completely funny.... How a children's game can create such chaos and dramas/issues with small stuffs, small relevance to real life.
Either way the video Jaiden made was entertaining to watch, much better than the anime stories. It doesn't deserves the hate it gets, and we should thank her instead that she entertained us by her creation.
Chris Felonall as a Pokémon fan, I don't understand it either. They seem so dead set on their rules that anyone breaking them is to be thrown into a Salem witch trial and accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake. There is one thing that I don't like happening in Nuzlockes like taking advantages of in game glitches to make the hard challenge into an easy challenge to fly through. Doesn't make it satisfying in the end, it's like playing the game normally.
@@chrisfelonall1177 Unfortunately, Elitists run rampart in the nuzlocke community, and they’re on a high horse. I don’t wanna stream a nuzlocke just due to having elitists and more knowledgeable players ruining the experience for me.
Just watch his chat in this video, it’s quite annoying.
Man, I can't even imagine bashing Jaiden for the "reset", like shit, from what I saw she asked her fans if they wanted to see her go again and they did. Plus then turned it into a fucking moving lore point in her beautifully animated video, hell yeah, rock that shit.
Forreal it was her birthday so chat decided to let her soft reset and try again even though ppl complain when she herself has said this isnt a win but for entertainment on her channel
like i've said to the billion other people yelling at chat for calling her cringe, I'm 98% positive they were saying cringe at the single bit at the end of the video cuz without context, she threw some anime seeming existential stuff into the end for no reason. once PC explained what it was about, it made sense, and it was no longer without reason.
This is the good shit right here
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@@themasked7537 I keep seeing your replies and it gives me some sort of power -w-
Honestly ... I think her losing the Nuzlocke and using the Distortion World to convey that was made it more fun to watch. And the story expressing guilt about it was a nice touch.
I think the video she made herself didn't make it clear enough that her run was technically a loss if you didn't see the stream yourself, she kind of made this weird Schrodinger two timeline thing, but if she somehow clarified that the "bad timeline" was the first time she walked up to the E4 it would've made it a lot more fitting.
If I was able to edit her script, I probably would've had it be something along the lines of her falling asleep while doing calcs, and her dreaming the "good ending" to then wake up, and learn from the dream "Ok, Flakes outspeeds Garchomp, good to know, if Oops does end up getting crit by Cynthia's Garchomp he's my backup." Then she goes in and immediately loses Colgate, does the patented "You're kidding!", then shows the loss, and says something along the lines of life not being nice, even though in most circumstances the math lines up and this should have been easily possible, she still gets to show her team beating cynthia but with real clarity that she lost.
@@Toches she could’ve kept it exactly the same & just say it in the endcard.
@@bananaboi9006 She COULD have, but the pokemon games don't have her normal outro, she shows the game's credits, I guess she could've slapped an extra little 5 second thing of her talking at the end to basically say it, current interpretation is fine as well, it's just that people that didn't watch the stream have to be told what happened most of the time.
zabeon I absolutely agree! Since the Distortion World moment I immediately started thinking something went wrong in that run, until realizing it really happened in the very end! It was pure art, tho, because that part makes you empathize with her somehow. I imploded when I saw almost everyone in Twitch chat typing "cringe", I think they forgot she's not an experienced nuzlocker, and knowing she got that far, she only deserved respect.
Even I wouldn't be able to get past the Elite Four, given that I never played a nuzlocke run before and I don't think it would be easy for many beginners either.
@@Toches bro imo "it was all just a dream" thing is a big cliche that I personally want to try to avoid at all costs.
The fact that one of the hardest of the hardcore Nuzlockers comes out and defends Jaiden's decision to give it one more go is super heartwarming tbh.
Watching his chat call her cringe and bad and all of a sudden when he defends her they all go “truuuuueeee”
Yes, his chat is the most cringe. I actually want more videos of Jan bashing people on his subreddit and twitch chat because they're all so cringe
@@NeroKaligula nah felt like “pick me” energy people can change their opinions but it’s never that fast usually it takes longer they just wanted to shit on her till he defended her
They all just agree with Jan regardless of what he says
@Fanjanhong * yeah like you have to be spineless or a child to change your opinion so faast.
@@NeroKaligula Its almost like they change their opinions like a flag in the wind, whatever the guy thinks they want to please.
I like that she didn't just cover it up or completely restarted, for the sake of this video. If she did a full second attempt the first one would have probably been ignored in the video. So this gives it more of a "damn she lost" feeling, and she really animated the two "storylines" excellent with the distortion and all making it really enjoyable to watch.
Yeah, hands down amazing story telling and just amazing humility and passion. I believe it is in the top 10 of JadenAnimations videos!!
Respect and love are what we all need.
@@carlinc.christensen3478 Ikr!! Like, the way she portrayed herself falling off the edge because of something out of her control (The platform was shorter on Real Jaiden's side while the Other Jaiden's side was longer; they both flinched and stepped back but only the unlucky one "lost," just like the way she lost her nuzlock because of just bad luck) while the "other timeline Jaiden" goes to Real Jaiden's timeline with a masterball where her hand reached out to Real Jaiden :3
Also reading comments it looks like her chat wanted her to retry it.
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I think it was also her birthday when she lost so she asked the chat if she could redo the e4
to clarify some extra details, she wasnt the one who chose to restart her chat was asking for it cos it was her birthday so she did a poll which 70% said restart at last save, and she didnt actually start at the pokemon center post wipe she reloaded her last save which was back at giritina (working so well with her storytelling) so she did have to redo a fair bit of the game still. Also i saw someone in the chat saying barry wiped her and thats not right she got caught off guard by a crit stone edge against the bug one that killed her togekiss and lost two more mons to the ground one, leaving her only with scizor torterra and magnezone for the fire guy which was an obvious L so she lost and thats when chat suggested a re-do. thanks for the great video and helpful tips
That's right bro, thanks for bringing the whole context.
I had no idea it was her birthday. I do think it was good that the majority of people wanted her to soft restart.
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@@themasked7537 I'm sorry for spamming replies on you but this is really giving me power... that sounded creepy... gonna delete this later
i am ganna delete this soon
Jaiden: traumatically sacrifices a child
Jan: nice one, excellent choice
Also for all those “cRiNgE” people in chat - Jaiden only wiped because of a host of bullshit crits, and she took a chat vote on whether to reset or not, not to mention that she also considers herself as having failed the nuzlocke (hence the hollow victory at the end). It’s not like Jaiden is coming out and saying that she legitimately passed the nuzlocke; she technically did fail and she accepts it.
edit; holy shit 2.9k likes wtf
Here’s why it really gets me that she should take more credit. First of all I should mention I’m super glad that critical hits were toned back in future games I’ve done the battle tower so many times in SS only to get screwed by crits, they’re either a neat convenience when I get them or a death sentence when used against me. Point number 2, Jaidens Colgate, Oops, and Flakes weren’t killed by Night Slash or air cutter or even frickin focus energy they were moves that don’t have those high Crit ratios it’s totally random and bs. Sometimes you have to cut yourself some slack when a random number generator in a kids game decides you have to live down something you worked so hard to achieve it’s ridiculous
here's a new rule for nuzlockes
RNG bullshit wipe outs do not count and you have 2 lives to them
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 I’d implement that for the elite 4 because that’s when I’m most prepared I do research I do everything to make sure my team is as optimal as can be then I get screwed by a crit which is EXACTLY what happened to Jaiden
@@wookiecommander4554 yeah RNG can go crit itself, i name my rivals RNG after my real life rival RNG if they were a person i will kill them you have no idea how many times i got crited, hit myself for no reason when the foe was fine, and worst sin of all of them had moves with 100 or 95 Accuracy miss repeatedly for no reason while the foe did not miss, like now i see rng bs as cheating since it only screws me and not the foe
@@wookiecommander4554 and all of these btw are not nuzlockes they are normal playthroughs
Jaiden: *setting up a really traumatic animation about the unfortunacey of sacrifice*
Jan: GOOD CHOICE
"Excellent play!"
Reminds me of the MGS meme "boss you killed a child!"
@@Pihsrosnec GREAT WORK, THAT’S WHY YOU’RE THE BEST!
@@Pihsrosnec "But Snake... that's patricide!"
"Yup"
Sadly thats how nuzlockes work
I love that she continued tbh. I think it’s totally reasonable to say “Hey, I failed my nuzlocke run, but the team could have won if I did X or if Y didn’t happen!” And just play through it. Both can be true where you beat the game with the team you built and love while conceding that you technically LOST the challenge. Who cares that you decided to continue, especially since it’s not like she’s hiding the fact she died!
Also, all of her Bertha deaths were to crits. She did the same thing against Bertha second time around & survived. She literally only lost to Bertha because of bullshit crits
If anything this made for a really good story animation.
@@Fanimati0n lol
@Recusant ik FlygonHG says, "Always always ALWAYS play around the critical hit," but sometimes it's just unavoidable
It’s also the best way to learn better plays with various teams. It takes exponentially longer to learn shit when you have to go AALLLLLL the way back to the start to try again. Sure, you could also just read up and watch vids to learn, but it sinks in way faster when you just do it yourself.
Now, if it were like a WR Nuzlocke and she lied about the retry etc., that’s a different story. This is just a fun challenge for the sake of telling a story
Jan's speech at the end about playing the game how _you_ find fun is super cool. Not only because his chat was being cringe, and he felt the need to tell them, but because he even admitted himself that he has that devil on his shoulder. I think everyone does, and ignoring it is key to improving yourself, both as a gamer and a person.
Yeah, him not only admitting that he has those thoughts, but also that it's not something he's going to harp on and say, "you have to do it specifically this way or you're doing it wrong!" is a huge show of maturity. It also takes into account that Jaiden's not just a gamer; she's a content creator, an animator, and a storyteller. She set a precedent with her Ruby Nuzlocke that an animation would be paired with her adventure; due to this, there was simply no time for her to 'go back and do it again' after wiping that far into her run.
Following the rules to the letter meant she would have had to animate a whole other journey to document her second attempt, which was not feasible time-wise as she (like many content creators) had a rough timeframe where she needed to get the video out, so her choices were either follow chat's advice to reload for another try (and she agonized over it as chat encouraged her to reload from her last save) or end the Nuzlocke right there with no continuation and make that the final result of the animation. It was also her Birthday when it happened, so there was that too.
I'd say she did a wonderful job not only acknowledging that she technically didn't 'win' the Nuzlocke, but she also did it in a very cinematic way that tied into the themes of the game itself.
The immediate turn around of chat from saying cringe to based was hilarious.
When your chat is more dank than you are
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His Twitch Chat are the real cringe.
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The "cringe ew cringe" and "cheat?" shows how fake chat froggs are, as soon as he said what he said, all of a sudden they were like "omg so true"; "based" blabla. Shut up like damn, let her tell this awesome story of how she, eventually, got to victory, that be with or without a reset. It's a children's game, so let her enjoy it how she wants to. Smh
Exactly what I was thinking. They made m blood boil right then and there
I see a lot of comment like this and I agree but I think some of that ppl were actually saying "cringe" to the ppl who were toxic around the reset
@@lukecalos4442 Could be, but the thing is they comment without giving context so it seems as if they are reacting to the vid rather than the peeps if that makes sense.
@@Noffilus yes I also didnt understand it... I ve been reading comments for some minutes and this is what came out.
Also I watched some Jan's live and his comunity is not that toxic, so I think this is the most possible explain🤔
@@ptatocollen imagine getting pissed over text
Honestly the fact that she wiped made the video wayyyy better. It’s cool how she managed to shape it into a story instead of just starting over.
Caleb Pogue still, she cheated
I agree that the story and whatever was cool but what's the point if you can't even finish the nuzlocke with nuzlocke rules
@@fortnitesexman that’s true but she’s new to nuzlocks what do you expect
Caleb Pogue I expect her to atleast follow the rules..
It really isn't that hard
@@fortnitesexman she literally has only done one in the past you act like it’s the end of the world if someone does not follow nuzlock rules. And at least she admitted it happened
Mari It being a kids game doesn't change anything??
And yes it's self imposed, but changing the rules/ignoring them when it benefits you is super lame
That's some preschooler level tactics
Narratively speaking, how she approached wiping at that point in the game, made sense. Like the whole distortion world thing, showing us both outcomes, wiping and winning, and then the lamentation of her choices and failures. It works. It’s not a “proper nuzlock” but it works for a video format like this.
And that's the main point (aside from letting everyone enjoy the game in their own terms): she made this for her type of content, not to claim she's some great nuzlocke runner. This isn't some speedrunner posting spliced run as single segment, this is content creator from different side of youtube quickly pointing flashlight to relatively small niche. Animation already takes more time than it's worth in YT so no sane person would expect her to start over in her circumtances.
Tbh saying "cringe" at someone's artful passionate hard work is the most cringe thing you can do.
Like at what point did you lose your ability to enjoy fun things and have to compensate by shooting down at others just to feel a fleeting sense of lackluster superiority so you can feel anything positive at all?
This is some real shit. Thank you for sharing.
" its beautiful so we cant critize it"
@Sgt. Meier yeah sorry, even with the context its still edgy and cringe. Just because you felt differently doesn't mean other people can't
It's just gotten way WAY overused. Anything people don't like is getting labeled "CRINGEWORTHY" or some variant. It's basically become shorthand for an actual elaboration on why anything is negative or undesirable.
@@AmberAmour yeah but this channel made cringe cool.
She basically got real unlucky. Her team got unluckily crit several times in a row- and since it was her birthday her chat voted to let her try again
She should've played around the crits, I hate it when people blame it on rng smh.
@@ARealMirage I hate how I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you genuinely don't get that you can't "play around" being Crit one shot turn 1
@@ARealMirage It wasn’t crits though; it was OHK moves landing back-to-back
@@harrymillar4193 she should've played around it.
@@ARealMirage i love how much your pfp suits this whole discussion.
Bro i looked at chat saying “cringe” and i remembered their names, when he started supporting jaiden THOSE IDIOTS STARTED TO AGREE WITH HIM! I’m not calling any names because you know who you are.
Especially the person who said "cringe" no less then four separate times before apruptly switching to "BASED"
These people are what we call "braindead"
@Greynold Godrig What's the difference, really?
They were saying “Cringe.” To others in Chat because some other people apparently were being cringy or something.
@@ItzKoifish i mean that is plausible but majority of them started flooding the chat with cringe as soon as the ending happened
Jan has been seen as being overly critical, so when he stood up for Jaiden when chat attacked her, it really hit the feels. You’re a good guy, Jan.
She actually asked her chat, they voted to let her redo at the e4.
I heard it was because it was her birthday
@@Plasmawavemicrowave It was also because she had a serious amount of VERY unlucky deaths that weren't caused by poor playing decisions.
@@rockwoodzapper yeah this guys chat was just being a bunch of asses not knowing shit. Which rlly pisses me off.
@@ronaldperera7709 I agree
@@ronaldperera7709 I don’t see where they were being asses? Time stamp?
Honestly you’re so right lol Jaiden is an animator who enjoys Pokémon as a hobby... she spends so much time on these videos and so much time was also spent streaming the game I really don’t blame her for wanting to be done with it. She’s technically acknowledge she lost, but for the sake of getting her content out and finishing the game she decided to restart and add an awesome twist to her video. She could have just ended the video at Bertha and say “welp I lost”, but where’s the fun in that
Soo true
She is passionate and I appreciate it.
And the giratina plot twist was well crafted. Very creative
and she couldnt waste more time to restart the game all over again since shes busy with animation all the time
I guess that explains why her animations are so good. I just visited her channel for the first time and was like holy crap she has 10m subs and I've never seen her until PC's reacts.
She amazingly fitted the losing part to the video
I absolutely despise the people saying “Cringe” or “SHE CHEATED” in that chat. It’s absolutely toxic and uncalled for to do that, especially since it was more entertaining and was good story wise to do as saying it outright would be more like a small chuckle or a bad taste in your in mouth rather than raw and heartful emotion to it. It’s also hilarious seeing people saying she wiped out to Barry, pure obliviousness XD.
Welcome to the world of twitch :)
@@pikl65 Where XqC started a Among Us drama and where Pokimane became a VTuber
Yeah and the explanation of that was pretty reasonable because she had an extreme bad luck during her first attempt but the chat recognize that she didn't make major mistakes so they told her to repeat that again, and even she still accepted that she didn't really win.
Similar happened with Team Four Star's Soul Silver Nuzlock where they redid the Elite Four, just to follow through with a plot that their Slowbro was actually an evil spirit possessing their game, that refused to be buried (released by PC, but failed because it was the only one with the move waterfall, or surf, probably an anti-softlock measure.) getting killed right before they actually got there, and it had the means to singlehandedly defeat the entire Elite Four, redoing the whole fight to prove that very point after winning the first time, with at the end of the day, it being just a fun joke, yet it got plenty of bash despite the fact they already beat it once, and didn't amount to anything against the Nuzlock, at least in the set path, as one doesn't typically redo the Elite Four as it has no benefits other than grinding for high exp, with a Pokemon they got rid off afterwards and "lifted the curse." They were entertainers first, and it was clear it was just for the lore, and mostly the lolz, which brings them being called as cheaters, or ruining the Nuzlock kinda pointless. Only thing I can agree with as technically cheating was that they modded the game to where Gym Leader Blue had their Beedrill from Pokemon Leaf Green as part of a joke, and changing Red's entire team into their victory team from the same game, which I think is less cheating, and more doing an odd/unique Nuzlock that ends up being so much fun, imagine doing a Gold/Silver Nuzlock, and your final battle is against your team from the previous game.
Ngl it was a little cringe, like she didn't have to be that melodramatic. But I can still see why she did it, her original audience was okay with it, and it still made for an entertaining video (idc about the "cheating" remarks, it's just a game). But I can see why some people who didnt know/watch the streams would say its cringe. Because without that knowledge, it's just pure melodrama and even knowing the reasons behind it, comes across really weird. She didnt do a great job conveying that she reset and did the elite 4 again for the people who didnt watch her streams, as shown by the people being confused during that section in this video.
Like, she could have easily told the story of her being defeated, then deciding to do it again because her audience said she should try again. It would have been just as entertaining and not as melodramatic nor trying too hard to be overly deep. She tried to pull off a thing, and for some people it just didnt land. People are allowed to dislike something, that doesn't mean its "toxic". Its not really a big deal in the end what she did or didnt do, just as much as it's not a big deal that some people didnt like it and thought it was "cringe".
The distortion alt-timeline thing because she didn't succeed in the E4 on her first attempt, while totally breaking with the traditional Nuzlocke, is SUCH good storytelling and honestly a wonderful spin on something that went so horribly originally, and the animation was so good.
Edit: I also love how Jan is so cool about it. "Then there's the person in me, who's a well-adjusted social person" TRU, so true man. There's no reason to do something that isn't fun for you at all just because of purity. And Jaiden got such a great video with fun lore out of it! And the lore is honestly my favorite part of watching her Nuzlocke animations
I know no one is going to see this, but I love how a lot of people in the comments are calling out the toxic chat behavior. It really makes me proud that people pointed it out instead of ignoring it.
Same
UA-cam is surprisingly much nicer then twitch. Now of course stuff like that also depends on the streamer and how much they are willing to put up with or ignore, but twitch is generally very toxic.
@@Noblewynter nothing can match Twitter though 💀
@@noir_wolfe1099 oh god....
Same
"It's a self-imposed challenge run of a children's game. Who gives a f*ck?" That quote has convinced my subscribe.
Good point I second that
Me to
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lmao watched his first react didn't convince me to sub but this is why am subbed now.
Same
"It's a self imposed challenge on a children's game, who gives a shit?" Best words ever.
“For kids” isn’t a tell of something’s quality or value. A better way of saying it would be “the goal is to have fun”.
Amén
Apparently chat gave a shit
Fun little detail I saw in the run lost timeline, Scizor looks like it was taking a stance to attempt to protect the others, who are all located behind it in the shot. Little detail that makes me sad.
And she KNEW that she was breaking Nuzlocke rules and admitted it to us, who were watching live, but we all accepted her retrying the League because it was her game, she could do whatever she wanted! So, nice words, PC, at the end. And nice review of her Nuzlocke as always!
inhales
*B A S E D*
Yup
I thought the viewers convinced her to start over the game.
@@goldenfarrier216 I don't remember fully, it's been a while since the stream but I'm almost sure that we all agreed that it was to restart just the elite four
Chat installed the “Platinum RNG BS” clause
"Then there's the person in me who is a well adjusted social person..."
LOL, well spoken. She even asked her community if she should continue. At that point, she's being a content creator for her fans.
As his own audience is screaming CRIIINNNGGGEEE in the background.
More importantly, she said in the stream during the retry (loosely paraphrased) "I'm not lying to myself. I lost the nuzlocke. This isn't to change that to a nuzlocke win. I just want to see if my plan would have worked without the unlucky RNG, and to at least lose to Cynthia for the video"
Hence the "I don't think I deserve this" line after beating Cynthia. So yeah, content creator as you said, plus some curiosity. Nothing cringe about either of those.
@@andrewjenkins8800 I know it's been a year but the cringe came in when she did a dramatic speech of retrospection of how alternative universe Jaiden is the same as current universe Jaiden and how they are as similar to each other as she is similar to her self and her heart sank as the ominous wind blew her over. She managed to make a pokemon video more dramatic then funerals I been to and movies I have watched and it fell flat because it was pokemon
@@sammy6805Some people are just too immature to enjoy storytelling
Twitch chat spamming "cringe" is disgustingly cringe.
“Cringe”
@@thetechnovoid it was not a mispell it wasn't a cap
I mean it was cringe
Cringe is a strong word but I would say she did overdo it with the "depth" and "drama" when I am pretty sure that her audience just wanted to watch a light hearted funny video about her nuzlocke. It came off as pretty weird to me at least
I feel like the flashes of how her pokemon died in the first run weren’t cringe but she should have been a lot more straightforward that she failed the first try
to add to what you said about the second elite 4 attempt:
she also is crafting a narrative here. playing the nuzlocke is ultimately part of the content creation process.
maybe she felt that her run would make for a pretty good story. and she crafted a narrative for her second attempt.
and animating this must have taken a crapton of time.
sometimes you just need to move on and think of the end goal: an enjoyable video for people to watch.
His chat spamming “cringe” honestly pissed me off.
Yeah, completely turned me off of ever seeing anything jan does live.
cringe
Yep. It's a pretty fun video too.
What pissed me off more is how quickly they went from "CRINGE REEEEE!" when Jan was explaining it from a Nuzlocker POV to "TRUE BASED REEEEE!" when he started defending her saying she could play how she wanted to since at the end of the day, she isn't a Nuzlocker, but a content creator.
Same, i wish i could punch those people in the face through my phone
In my honest opinion, I think Jaiden deserved to restart. It was her birthday, her viewers consented to it, and she deserved it. To all the people out there who said that she was breaking nuzlocke rules, well, a lot of people were okay with that, so...need I explain more?
And to be honest, even when she was explain it in her Ruby Nuzlocke; she never said she had to restart if she lost her team...she simply said "If a Pokémon faints, it 'dies' and you can no longer use it." So to be fair...even if she lost her team...then technically she could have kept continuing until she no longer had any "alive" Pokémon in her PC.
She also kind of wanted to finish the stream and at least be able to include the cynthia fight in the video we see here, it's not as easy for her to commit the full game as it may be for some of the other nuzlocke-tubers, the soft reset makes more sense here because she died to the elite 4.
She probably could've gotten pokemon out of her box and kept going (ignoring the white-out = restart clause, but whatever).
Wait she restarted?
@@farts8351 She wiped to the elite 4, then reloaded before the Barry fight and retried the elite 4, she didnt go all the way back to the beginning
@@farts8351 Yeah, she lost like, half her team to some unfortunate crits so she took a vote in her stream to see if she should do a soft reset. The stream agreed that she should, so she did
Anyone who’s mad that she retried the elite four without resetting needs to do something better with their time, she didn’t do it for competitive/serious purposes, she just did it for fun. Not that serious.
Thank god someone in this comment section has a heart. She should be able to play the game however she wants, it's her run.
@Anurag Sinha the whole thing is you dont get a 2nd chance unless its a second run. Whatever happens has to stick otherwise theres no point. I have been swept before and used a new team. Now its not everyone sure not everyone has the patience to grind up 6 new mons or more. She did it for fun sure and its her nuzlocke but it would be foolish to think nobody would say these things cause everybody has a different way of seeing it and to be fair they arent wrong
@@RajunTrusty ???????????????????
@@Venemofthe888 She's also a full-time animator and doesn't have an endless amount of time to dedicate to a single game & animation. Starting over would've meant she either had to make her video twice as long, which is painful and unrealistic and would completely fuck up her upload schedule, or she'd have to take the L and potentially put out a disappointing animation that does so poorly that the time she spent on it was basically wasted. What she did here was the smartest compromise.
Besides, it was her birthday the day she was finishing the run on the Elite Four. 70% of chat was saying "TREAT YO'SELF" and she did just that, because she wanted to entertain her fans and her fans thought she deserved a second chance.
These Nuzlocke runs she does are about content & entertainment first, and the actual challenge second. She doesn't have the same priority as professional Nuzlockers, and that's fine. I'm glad she got the chance to make this animation have a genuinely unique twist + take on Nuzlockes and how they would affect the story she was telling. She got a little experimental with things and it turned out well for her. She got what *she* wanted and needed out of this run, and that's really all that matters.
@Anurag Sinha i am aware of this but she shouldn't of had the poll tbh. Whatever happens happens there are no excuses at least to me. As i said everyone sees it differently and we don't have to agree at all.
I think she should of taken the loss showing that not every nuzlocke ends in happiness and i think it would of been accepted better.
Jaden's impressive. Like you said, she keep casually doing legitimately great strategies in the gameplay despite being an amateur at Nuzlocking. Then on top of that the animations are really great and the storytelling has good flow and lots of wit.
I love how Jan does these and is just super encouraging and nice rather than just being a pretentious asshole like "yOu ShOuLd HaVe DoNe ThIs YoUr So DuMb 0/10 BaD GaMeR" like he genuinely approaches them understanding that not everyone is super serious about them and as knowledgeable about the game and just wants to help people improve at Nuzlockes. Good on you PC! Way to be a decent person unlike most people on the internet and those who do these kind of reaction videos.
I wish his chat thought similarly
Agreed. Especially his harsh judgment on MandJTV's Nuzlocke. The dude did not enjoy his run and blamed the game for his mistakes, so it would be expected that no one would find the content entertaining. Jaiden genuinely enjoyed her runs and pushed through the deaths with more resolve and less bitterness. I'm also super happy that she took a really bad ending and turned it into a really intriguing plot device for her animated storytelling.
I am always watching his dreams and chat Likes to put on their big boy glasses and think they have 200 IQ playing pokemon
Well mandj cried about losing his pokemon. Like I like some of his Chanel but he is super sensitive
@@garylum1686 the whole reason hsi chat was spamming cringe was cuz they didn't have context to the edgy existential storytelling at the end. once PC cleared it up it made sense
She actually left out the part where she planned out how to get gible from the cave. She checked all the encounters that she could have gotten and then went and caught them all at different routes to make sure she encountered the gible. Great planning, the crit was a bummer
I didn't think she was playing with dupes clause, because she had both wooper and quagsire. (Watched the UA-cam vid)
@@glam4663 I believe that's what the part about "I wanted to catch a Yanma but accidentally threw a ball at a Wooper" meant - she didn't mean to catch the Wooper, she probably misclicked and caught it by accident, and dupes clause doesn't protect you from accidentally throwing a Pokeball at a duplicate.
@@underFlorence or I think she might play dupes clause as just the 'caught' symbol next to the Pokemon. So eventhough she caught a Quagsire before, the Wooper is technically not a dupes because she never owned one. But yeah normally you just block out the whole evolutionary line
@@Srijan_D well it's kinda playing TOO casually if you catch a pokemon and release it to catch another pokemon because DuPeS ClAuSe. She mature about it, she caught it, she used it. Even if by some stretch she could have justified releasing it.
@@glam4663 I watched her streams. She had dupes clause like this: "I can choose not to catch a Pokemon from an evolutionary tree that I have already catched". So she could plan to get the gible (she did) but since she "misclicked" to throw a ball, she opted to get the Pokemon, and therefore lost her yanma encounter
She played and lost. Her chat voted for her to run it back, and she played it well enough to win the next time. That's pretty much all that needs to be said.
I love that so nice
This ⬆️
Is there any rule that says you can go back to the elite four after losing just not the same pokemon?
@@ahmedelbna6085 the general consensus is if you lose all of your pokemon for any reason, you lose the game and have to restart.
I mean, these rules aren't enforced by anyone but yourself so you technically can. It would just take an obsene amount of time to train an entirely new team without being able to catch any new pokemon since you're at the literal end of the game
@@azuredragon8388 yeah that's what I meant, retrying with a completely different team
I love that Jan is being so nice about jaiden failing the elite 4 the first time. Cuz ya Pokémon do have kids and OG fans playing it, but if a kid trying a nuzlocke , I think they deserve a break and atleast deserve to go back to where their last save point was and not all the way back to the very beginning.
His chat did not pass the vibe check
True sad
They never do 😞
His chat's vibes are atrocious
What happened I wasnt watching chat
Nevermind, frick that chat
@@_____moritard.8557 Idk about you but spamming cringe to Jaiden's video and then spamming based imediatly after being called out doesnt seem like the best of vibes
God I hate chat, they keep saying cringe to her animation when they probably can't even do a fried egg
They didnt say cringe to her animation, they said cringe to the fact that she resetted, though that is even more hateful.
@@gamecoder3833 the fact still stands that they cant do a fried egg
@@gamecoder3833 no, they said cringe bc of the speech she made
Honestly, the chat is cringe in how they were spaming cringe and when he said about that it doesn't matter they immediately spam true or based
Ehm... Do you even have the right to hate? All good hating chat, but I bet you can't even hate animations of fried eggs. Wait a sec...
@@sic996 no, you've got it wrong Dx, I mean they say cringe to her animation and speech all the time when the ones who say cringe surely can't even do a fry egg. What I mean is they are a non-stop judging when they don't know how to animate
My respect for this guy📈📈
My respect for his chat📉📉📉
📉📉📉? More like 📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉
@@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643 more like 📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉
@@bertholdthoover8793 cringe
@@outafhet12 ur cringe
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I ain't gonna lie that shinx Animation was heartbreaking man 😭😭
One thing that could also be mentioned in terms of the retrying the elite four is that she was playing the game specifically for this video and needed a lot of time to animate it. She had already put several hours in streaming the game and only had so much time left before she needed to start working on the animation so retrying it for the sake of the video makes total sense in my opinion. Plus, it made for a good story in the end.
Yes, also the animation lasts twice as long as a normal video, she had to work a lot!
Yeah she took a risk incorporating into a in-universe canon. But she could also have made an interesting ending out of losing.
But in the end she actually made a pretty good story
Yikes at that chat. I love Jaidens work and how she plays. Amazing animator and story teller. She's doing it for fun and had a good time. I was sad that she was sad she lost. But her fans in her chat kept her going. Warmed my heart. Fun reaction video. I learned a lot. I've been trying to nulzocke my own Pokemon games. It's difficult. And I can't stand it. But imma keep trying until I win!
The fact is that Jaiden is a storyteller first and a gamer second, and most of the people in chat probably don't watch her content and so they don't understand that about her, but I think that is what makes her so great, she's honest and kind and she admitted to her previous failure while also making a story out of it and that's what matters. She had fun so who cares if she technically broke a few rules. Also I'm glad you're trying nuzlockes! I completely understand how difficult they can be.... and how sad it is to lose a Pokemon or to fail... But never give up!
Also don't be afraid to add new rules or even to take some away when you do a nuzlocke, as long as you have fun with it nothing else matters.
@@Noblewynter I mean it’s kinda like speed running. It isn’t just like “get to the end of the game” there are rules to follow and different categories for each game. You can casually do it and add rules but if you deviate, it’s not the end of the world. She did it for her chat and she didn’t sully the challenge by claiming an absolute victory. Not everybody can do it and unless everyone in that chat does it themselves they can’t imagine how tough that must be to even reach that point. She did a big amount of that challenge and she tried her hardest and failed and admitted it. That’s true, and while she didn’t win the Nuzlocke. She grew from it.
@@thewriter8762 worst part is, she lost due to getting hit by multiple crits in a row on Bertha and losing super important Pokemon.
@@Noblewynter honestly, I don’t think I can do a Nuzlocke, but I have an idea for a softer version designed for me. I usually burn out on Pokémon games because I’m a completionist. I use wikis and try to catch every ‘mon. It takes months. So I’ll cut out the permadeath and instead have:
1. Keep the “first encounter per area” and “nickname them” rules.
2. Play as “blind” as possible (it’s been 10 years since I last played any) unless I get completely lost/stuck.
What do you think?
Anyone curious about the distortion world glitch during the elite 4, Jaiden lost her first run through the elite 4 due to RNG. Those flashbacks with togekiss Garchomp and quagsire were all critical hit kills and she lost to flint. She reset to the start of the elite 4 before she lost and retried. The chat voted to reset before the lost attempt.
It's kind of a shame, but understandable.
basically bullshit clause applied.
@@Sombres There's very rarely a time Bullshit Clause would apply, but THAT would. I can understand her feeling she didn't deserve the win, and thinks she lost.
It's not a nuzlocke then XD
@@yinyang452 There's no "Bullshit clause". She lost. Fun storytelling, but she lost the challenge.
On a lighter note, the nuzlocke was clearly never intended to be the primary focus here. It was the animation and her narrative and both are fantastic.
The people saying cringe at her speech at the end and how she retried the elite four are pretty cringe themselves lol. He was right when he said people should play whichever way they like most
As a nuzlocke player I agree, tho as a creative I did feel the way she said it was a bit cringey, like actually saying the words "when giratina split me apart in the distortion world" feels a bit much? All the visual cues were there so I feel like it would've sounded better if she was a bit more subtle with that.
@@an_oracle yeah I kinda agree with that but I also kinda feel like maybe some people wouldn't have totally understood what was going on if she hadn't said all that stuff
@@infernoseph6867 Yeah but if you want to fully understand it you need outside knowledge of how the run went anyway, so you might as well be subtle and let the comment section explain it for the dummies
@@an_oracle Its hard to judge as a creator rather or not what you're trying to say is going to read well enough or just be completely confusing. Jaiden can't exactly look at it with fresh eyes and no context. Communicating a story without any words at all isn't easy.
I don't know about Jaiden but if it were me I would also do the cringy speech incase I didn't manage to clearly illustrate the idea.
It was cringe lol.
Chat is such a hive mind. I'm glad that he reminded chat that courtesy exists.
I don't stan jaiden, but I do stan creativity. The video she produced and provided was just as good as the last nuzlocke video she did. And if she wants to make the explanation for her win here be Giratina splitting her being apart and letting them experience two different events, let her do it. But I understand too where the chat is coming from, following just the game and nothing else. Not everything lands. And that's fine.
@@ZekeZen The part where she sees her quagsire being held up by the head in Rhyperior's claws kinda scared me a little lmaooo I love her animation
I see more people hating on the chat than people commenting on the video. Which imo is as toxic. I generally don't even look at the chat in these comment style videos but now I am suddenly aware of it which hampers my viewing experience. And honestly, all they said was "Cringe" a multiple times.
@@papaelf420 That's kinda why I'm down with it. She might be bummed about not it not being a proper win, but as a piece of entertainment on the internet, it simply made it so much better, and that one particular frame for instance is just so damn badass I can't take it.
@@SondreGrneng I have nothing else to say but I agree. But everyone that replied to this comment has a giant paragraph so I’m gonna rant for a while to make it look like I have a much more complicated option👌😅✨
I think that's it's absolutely beautiful how she implemented her feelings of regret into the animation, specially without it being explicit.
Whether you play with the hardest set of rules or just mindlessly smash the same button when you play a videogame, it is you who decide how you want to enjoy it. And I can honestly empathize with her regret "breaking" her own rules because the first time I played pokemon as a 10 y/o I cheated by using a friend's pokemon to end the game since I was incapable to beat Cynthia by myself.
I now what you mean, during my first game I used cheats to get rarecandies and levelup some of my pokemons because I wasn't able to play the time required to play the game as I wanted.
In fairness to 10 y/o you, Cynthia is arguably the hardest Pokémon champion. Especially if you’re young. I beat her when I was 6 but that was only after 5 tries and grinding up to a level 75 Dialga in Pokémon Diamond.
the way jaiden incorporated her 2nd try at the elite four into the story of the game is still so fucking nuts to me... what an incredible video
Chat: uhh, cringe
Jan: it's a stupid challenge.
Chat: *BASED*
most of the time the people chanting different things are separate groups, when you have large enough gatherings there are going to be moments like that.
I'm sorry but what does based means?
@@baddiexfilms4311 it means you're based
@@baddiexfilms4311 I also didn't know, and people don't seem to realize that not everyone is a native english speaker, so I checked in urban dictionary: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based
From what I understood (if I understood it wrong please correct me), it's kinda like praising the person for having their opinion and not caring if it might be controversial, or something like that.
(edit: I might have incorrectly assumed that you're not a native english speaker, because I'm not, and incorrectly jumped to the conclusion that not knowing what it means meant that you're not a native english speaker(which doesn't really make sense, since many native speakers probably also don't know), if you are, sorry about that, wasn't meant as an insult)
@@b2198. lol its all good im not a native speaker either but thanks for explaining the meaning!
"And then there's the person in me who's a well adjusted social person who's like, 'It's a self imposed challenge run of a children's game.'" I died. XD
You know he said that for chat
@@KuvaDrinker Yeah he completely shut down the chat in that statement. Unfortunately the toxic ones in chat did a 180 just so they wouldn't be banned.
Cringe: being a twitch hivemind and thinking sincerity is lame/ resetting a Nuzlocke breaks the rules.
Based: being Pokemon Challenges and realizing that this is an extended ruleset for an 11 year old kids game that doesn’t even matter.
Are you hating on PC for doing his job and explaining his knowledge about the game?
@@spaceface8504 someone swapped your brain with rancid gravy, because you clearly didn't get it. And it's not even hard to get
@@EddieB-ready I was asking a question not stating a fact
@@spaceface8504 i think what he meant was how stupid that question is
@@tyronnvinanciomalazarte9 I know but I'm just clarifying that I was asking a question. I get it's a dumb question but I'm not great at getting sarcasm sometimes. Hence why I asked the question
For me personally, it's like the best outcome for platinum. She's not a professional nuzlocker, but a storyteller and animator. If she didn't we won't have that wonderful plot of events where she had an alternate reality back on the distortion world. She made it to be like the best plot on her storytelling.
The take at the end of this video is great and level-headed and just so refreshing. The Nuzlocke challenge started out as a self-imposed challenge in the first place, and no excessively passionate elitists should take away your fun just because you wanted to tweak a few things for your own enjoyment. Sure, it won't count as a "real" run to them, but that's not really the point of why you started your run, is it?
thank you brick
The run was real, but I think we can all agree that no, she didn't do the nuzlocke successfully, but in the end it wasn't what mattered. She got her content, had fun and that's what mattered
wise words, brick
Yeah, totally. I mean, she was already in the final curtain of the game. She lost the challenge, of course, there's no denying that. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, and since she was already so close, why not finish it? games and challenges are made for us to enjoy and have fun with them, after all.
@@mechacode8527 She also was dealt a terrible hand from start to finish. The amount of repeat critical hits that happened in the Elite Four was insane.
When her garchomp outsped and then cracked the smile in the animation i lost my fucking mind im gonna go sub 2 to this girl shes talented as all hell. Also enormous respect for calling ur chat out for being the literal worst.
I always saw it less of a smile and more Flakes gritting his teeth to deal the killing blow
Fucking adore PC, but his chat are a bunch of drones
"Cringe, cringe cringe"
Then PC will say the opposite
"Oh trueeee, based"
Just a bunch of sheep honestly
Yeah but they were cringing at the stuff she said cause it was getting kinda cheesy lmao. I dont think they were cringing because she decided to try again. Is that what you are saying or no?
@@lowfat_booger1929 no they were cringing on the fact she restarted
@@masteroforionisamazing6857 she put it up to her chat and her chat said she could restart, because it was her birthday. I don't know why I said that here.
@@lowfat_booger1929 not everyone in chat knew the context of the “deepness,” so they were more than likely calling cringe on that. Kinda normie to automatically yell “cringe” when someone tries to get introspectively artsy, though ig it was a little out of left field for the video (even if it fit so well with everything that actually happened imo).
I actually loved how her resetting and feeling guilty about it played into the narrative and her monologue at the end, this video was truly a masterpiece.
That chat was honestly disgusting, saying cRiNgE and based and just being generally rude. There were some people who were fine but everyone saying she cheated is just toxic. Jaiden herself admitted that she resetted and didn’t feel like she deserved the win. She’s a storyteller animator first, nuzlocker second
like i've said to the billion other people yelling at chat for calling her cringe, I'm 98% positive they were saying cringe because of the storytelling at the end, because without context, it seems edgy and anime and existential, but once I got context I understood and appreciated it. I figure chat was probably the same and is just getting trashed cuz people misunderstand.
Based isn’t close to toxic
"chat was wude to jaiden make me mad 😭😭"
@Most Pinework edgy? Lmao wtf, i acknowledge everyone has feelings, even i myself have feelings lmao, the thing is getting genuinely pissed at some people for insulting your animating queen is absoluteky ridiculous.
@Most Pinework no not at all, i'm calling out people who got genuinely mad at twitch chat being twitch chat because they're genuinely dumb.
All those people in the chat saying “cringe”. Bruh, I bet you didn’t even attempt nuzlock Pokémon before, let alone in front of hundreds of people.
Jaiden has millions of subscribers, so your statement goes to the extreme in her case. I don't think a single one of her subs would call this content cringe.
Ya nuzlockes suck. All I can think of is when Voltage was brutally incinerated by a centiscorch. I understand the feeling and it was completely understandable.
Cringe
Nuzlocks can be super hard on you mental health, I quit a nuzlocks Because I couldn't stop crying over the fact that I had to switch in my starter has a shield to win a fight. in still in therapy because of it, naming a Pokemon isn't there for fun
I think they didn't say cringe because she did the 2nd attempt, but because of the way she presented it, with that dramatic speech about how she doesn't deserve it (which was a really cool and badass way to present it IMO). Doesn't make it better, the people spamming cringe there were the only ones to be cringy.
If I had a nickel for every time Jan calculated the exact damage that Mars’s Purugly in the Valley Windworks would do with a scratch crit while reacting to someone elses nuzlocke, I’d have 2 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
THAT REFERENCE, I LOVE
Right?
Can't believe he multiplied by 2 in his head and gave it a +4 to -4 range
Best reference ever
Another thing about her redoing the Elite Four is that it built a beautiful story to the nuzlocke. It makes the storytelling of separate timelines way more interesting.
Fuck man. Jan is such a good guy. There’s always that “cringe vs based” aesthetic around but hes really just a good guy. I know you don’t read these but thanks for being authentic.
I think so too but he can be judge mental sometimes
His god complex is pretty apparent, but he tries not to show it and be courteous. Also I haven’t heard a single soul say “based” in a few years besides him and his chat
@@ttorumas god complex? Srsly? You understand what a joke is?
@@ttorumas also the chat is cringy but every chat is
@@tridinh1011 bro this dude really thinks he has a god complex because he knows he’s the best nuzlocker on UA-cam?😂
God, screw the chat. I'm watching 90% of the chat go "Cringe!!!!" "Cringe cringe cringe" towards the end of the video because of her storytelling. And then the second he says that her resetting was fine and it's all up to her, everyone did a 180 and the chat was filled with "TRUE" "TRUEEE". A chat that toxic needs to be addressed or they all need to take a step back and just reflect on how they're essentially just all being npc's.
They should just be banned in chat entirely.
Twitch is quite a funny place. The audience can't easily form a coherent and attended statement without donating to the streamer, so you get a bunch of emotes and one word spammy replies to get a reaction. It seems to devolve into accepting whatever comes into their minds the quickest, then agreeing with what the streamer says immediately. The animation was beautiful in an artistic sense and nearly sound in a tactical sense, but the chat looks at the parts that aren't 100% pure nuzlock rules and cries "cringe". Pretty heartbreaking if you ask me.
They were not calling her storytelling cringe, due to the channel being a (pro) nuzlocker's the chat frowns upon resetting the run. The chat forgets that Jaiden is an animator first, and a nuzlocker like 56th.
@@jamemhm The people in chat started saying cringe when she started to talk about her "alternate self". I'm pretty sure that not everyone in chat knew she reset. The number of people saying cringe grew once he said she reset. It was a combination of both. That still doesn't change my point that the chat is toxic.
@@Celintro you're right, I didn't know she reseted when I watched her video
Posted Before Watching
For those wondering what the "glitches" were, it was indeed her second Elite Four attempt. This is what happened:
(Thankfully, this happened in an alternate universe thanks to Giratina so if you decide to not read, good on you.)
First Run:
-Aaron's Heracross got a crit super effective Stone Edge on Colgate (Togekiss) & killed it.
-Bertha's Rhyperior Crit Earthquaked Oops (Quagshire) and killed it
-Bertha's Rhyperior also Avalanched Flakes (Garchomp) and killed it as well.
-Restart to last save (before Elite Four)
Bro you literally copied this comment
@@kurenaiiii4250 Yep. Needed to move fast and didn't want to waste time writing my own comment down so I just copied it.
Oh sorry I thought you copied the comment from YoBgs’s video but it was actually your comment sorry 😞
@@ATPokemon Well at least you're honest lmao
@@kurenaiiii4250 Just stop, you've already failed.
Damn Jan, your ending speech really touched me.... Amongst all the (sometimes rough) things you say, it really showed how much you care for the game and what it stands for :) . Thank you, it means a lot in a toxic internet world! Beste Grüße
Jaiden actually lost her first run on the elite 4. She lost her togekiss to a stone edge by heracross. Lost oops and garchomp to rhyperior. And she knew scizor torterra and magnezone had no chance against flint but because it was her birthday the chat allowed her to reset and those were the flashbacks.
Thank you
This is actually a question I put in the comments of the original video. Thanks for saying this!
Smart
I also was confused by that, and had to read the comments to make sure that I understood that correctly
holy crap
I feel like it makes it all the better that she was wiped during Platinum too. The distortion world is one of the most unique parts of platinum and to use that to own up to your own failure is something really unique about her run.
Plus, as most people mention, she was 100% willing to scratch the run bc of the failure. But her chat told her to keep going and so she did. Like Jan said, it’s a childrens game. It’s meant to be fun, it’s not meant to make you hate the game or be depressed.
Actually, Quagsire is just chilling inside that Thunder
Yap
I spotted that as well
Ye exactly.
Exactly
Probably sent out Torterra
Jan understands the true purpose of the Nuzlocke challenge: to make a interesting story you likely wouldn’t create without such restrictions. Think about what the traditional rules do:
They force variety by limiting you to a random encounter per route.
They force variety by removing fainted Pokémon from the team.
They personalize the story by nicknaming all the Pokémon you catch.
They get rid of certain optimization strategies like breading or otherwise hunting for the perfect Pokémon.
Now, consider what the more advanced rules do:
Set mode improves the pace of battle, removes mind reading, and increases the risk of certain strategies.
Level caps force you to play pure mechanics with the AI, no brute force.
Banning items or limiting items to those available to the AI evens the playing field and maintains the four move slot limit (X items basically act as additional setup move slots).
Duplicates clause increases variety and adds repel manipulation strategy to the game.
Banning certain Pokémon removes game breaking strats.
I think I heard that it was her birthday or something when she lost to the elite four, and it was her community's decision to redo the Elite 4? So she didn't exactly restart the gauntlet out of selfishness in front of her audience in order to get a win, but from the sounds of it was pushed up to try again by lots of voices.. like one of those scenes where you see all the hands/silohettes catching someone as they're falling, and then pushing them back up onto their feet.
Corny, but accurate.
I'd argue that it isn't corny, but I agree with the other things you said.
Probably also best to add on she doesn't exactly have many chances to do a run considering she is an animation UA-camr and we all know how UA-cam treats animation channels. It could have been a while before she could completely restart a run for a new stream.
Damn, Jaiden got Random Critted so many times in this version of Pokémon Platinum. I'm almost convinced the entirety of The Mons in The Game had a TF2 Frying Pan equipped in a Hidden Item Slot
It really did feel like a 15% this run
It got even worse in the original Elite Four run, to where she was left with only her Fire-weak mons against Flint. Her chat let her retry it because this was mostly bad RNG and it was her birthday.
She’s an animator who’s using this as inspiration for content. I like the way she said she doesn’t deserve it but can get the need to complete it after investing that much time. As long as she had fun, who cares what rules she followed.
I hope that the internet cesspool hivemind doesn't scare her away from doing more nuzlockes or challenge runs if she enjoys them. Her animation is really really great and it's super cool to see the adventure. It'd be a shame if she stopped because of idiots screaming that it's not a real win even when she says she doesn't see it as a real win.
Context:
The Giratina split represents 2 runs. One being the initial run which she lost due to Bertha and Flint, which is why you could see her Pokémon getting wiped. And the other being the run in the video.
"Then there's the person in me who's a well adjusted social person"
Fucking dead.
Her animations are insane! The inclusion of the distortion world to convey her reset was actually super nuts!
yikes to the people who said "cringe" upon seeing the ending, and then saying "based" once PC started defending Jaiden. i'm not calling out specific usernames, but going back in the chat and checking usernames shows the same exact people doing a full 180 as soon as PC starts calling them out. bandwagoning to look like the better person to a person you like is really shallow and doesn't excuse the fact that you trashed on Jaiden for "breaking nuzlocke rules" on her own nuzlocke when she doesn't even NL professionally. please love yourself and realize it's really not at all cool to just be rude for a laugh. kindness begets kindness, and hatred begets hatred. you get what you get, so if you're one of the people who did that, you very much deserve getting called out and i hope you take a REAL turnaround towards becoming less gatekeep-ey and hateful.
Hey, I just need a quick reminder. What does based mean in this situation
@@popgoesfan5211 Based means biased, the chat went from calling jayden loosing cringe, to calling PC biased on her side.
@@rubycrystals3422 good to know
@@rubycrystals3422 Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
@@thefunnyaerialman Oh.
Your ending speech is why I like your channel. A+. Let people play. Especially for content creators with possible deadlines, and it worked well for the story and the animations. Worked great with "distortion world"
It makes me really sad that people were spamming ‘cringe’. She’s an awesome story teller.
Edit: Upon binging his content further, it looks like ‘cringe’ is an inside joke with his chat. Not my taste but definitely explains it.
Most twitch users in Jan’s streams are just trolls, don’t mind them
@@rexailos475 I see, thank you for the insight
Chat: yo this is cringe
Jan: play however you want
Chat: true
Ah thanks for the clarification, I guess that makes it a bit better
*were
38:05 That desperate attack by Shrimp, and then her claw getting caught and that ferocious stare gives me chills.
Same, made me unsettled. also it was a her
Shrimp had some of the sickest animations in this video. Even her death looked amazing.
@@FlareBlitzBanana RIP Shrimp
12:45 aged like the FINEST OF WINES
12:11 Cynthia: "Can I offer you a nice egg in these trying times?"
the ending to the video wasn't exactly very
*sunny*
“Its a self imposed challenge of a childrens game who gives a f**k”
Jaiden’s thing at the end always reminds me of “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.” She might be crazy hard on herself she technically lost, but it’s sometimes just as easy or even more easy to lose doing everything right than to win.
That Jaiden video is probably one of my favorite of all time. The animation, storytelling, the emotional pull on my long dead heart. Just so damn good. Can't imagine how long it took to do as well, goddamn.
"She put me in!"
Well i can't wait for the reaction to the new run
if you haven't seen it yet, the reaction to the newest one just dropped!