Tim's father had one of the most depressing lifes in comic book history. For those who don't know, Jack Drake and his wife were kidnapped on a business trip by an African cult that planned to sacrifice them. Batman managed to get them out, but not before they were both severely poisoned, with Jack left paralyzed and his wife dead. After regaining his mobility with the help of his new girlfriend, it seemed that Jack Drake had finally found happiness again... only to discover shortly after that his son was Robin and forbid him from wearing the costume again. Later, Jack Drake was finally killed by Captain Boomerang, leaving Tim completely orphaned. A really cruel and sad end
@@CrayonEater0311 in Infinite crisis Deathstroke dropped the living nuke Chemo on Bludhaven to piss off Nightwing, at the Time Tim was living there with a paid actor as his uncle to avoid being s Wayne adoptee
What's sad is that Batman successfully rescued them, but because of their kidnappers had kept them surrounded by burning coals, creating heat around them and taunting them by spilling water in front of them, they were severely dehydrated that they were desperate enough to drink a jar of poison thinking that it's water.
6:26 It was pretty surprissing to see Jason's mother being remembered again after so many years. The fact she cowardly betrayed him and yet Jason still tried to save her before they were killed by the Joker shows what a good boy the second Robin was. It was finally time to show the PTSD effects her involvement in his death left on him
Yep. Despite what was said after his death, Jason was actually a good Robin and still tried to save people. Even someone that had betrayed his trust and sold him out to the Joker.
Yep, even in the robin storyline it's revealed that if he never been robin jason would have opened up his own clinic to help drug addicts get clean named after his mother.
Not only did they acknowledge the death of Tim Drake's father, but for the first time in decades they acknowledge Jason Todd's mom, everyone forgets she was there too I don't
Tim and Jason are in the same dream because they have always been linked. Tim joined because of Jason’s death. Jason saw Tim as his “replacement”. They’ve had this sibling rivalry for a while.
I like that Tim Drake’s and Jason Todd’s nightmare involves then trying to save their parents (specifically Tim’s dad and Jason’s mom). I wonder if we should see them team up more often. In my head canon, since Jason’s resurrection in 1988 (or 23 years before Dawn of DC) and his return to Gotham in 2002 (or 14 years before Dawn of DC), he would me Tim shortly after Batman: Hush in around 2003 (or 14 years before Dawn of DC). There, Jason would tell Tim that he knows about him thanks to Dick Grayson telling him everything what has happened since his death. Jason would not be mad or jealous of Tim because he’s impressed that Tim chose to be Bruce Wayne Batman’s partner because Batman needs a Robin. Jason would be proud of Tim for taking his mantle and for saving Bruce from his darkness and for saving Dick Grayson from his doubt. Eventually, Jason and Tim would get along and would try to become brothers (just like Dick became an older brother to Jason, Tim, Damian, and Cassandra Cain). Also, Tim Drake making fun of his latest series after seeing a boat.
I found the fact that they stuck Tim and Jason together kind of endearing. It is almost a commentary by insomnia himself by saying U2 aren’t really even worth the effort so I’m just going to try to save time and double up on this one. Also, I was born in the 80s so I’m a easy sell for both of these characters and it was cool comic book fun.
I actually live this time struggling to accept that he can't control it and Jason finding out his problems only multiply by using shoot first ask questions never approach. What I would love to see is a follow up issue where Tim just stands there outside the door and doesn't go in, he has to accept the loss to be able to get past it and Jason puts the guys down , a metaphors for accepting his death as opposed to trying to master death and goes back to the te hniques he used as Robin and as he fights the nightmares everytime he slams them into one another without killing them they re merge until its only one thereby accepting that his philosophy is wrong
Poor Tim. He didn't deserve to lose his father simply because Brad Meltzer tried to imitate "Watchmen" in a pretty cheap way at the time of writing "Identity Crisis", with Jack Drake's death being an allusion to Hollis Mason's assassination
I actually think Tim’s father’s death is an interesting facet of his character for a different reason. What I think is cool is that it’s canon that the OG three Robins were present at the Haley’s Circus the night Dick’s parents died connecting them each to the Robin role. The other part of that connection is that to be Robin you have to be orphaned, for Dick that was through death, for Jason through abandonment. So by Tim Drake choosing to be Robin, he essentially decided to bare the curse of being a Robin and he too was orphaned. What’s cool about that is the juxtaposition of his life before, as a well off and gifted kid full of potential, to a broken hero who signed his life away to serve a man who he knew the city needed,
I think it was a cool addition, it was telling us about how being in the Batfamily you will lose everyone you know in order save thousands of lives that you don't know. Only reason it fell apart was because DC Rebooted 5 years after Tim's decent into Bruce like paranoia started
@@HELLO_KORO Tim really tried to use the Lazarus pit, fought Dick Grayson for barely any reason and tried to clone Connor Kent. Pre-52 Tim was so interesting and cool, really felt like he was in line to take up the Batman role during that arc, especially with Ra’s calling him Detective
@@nathangarr7514 it had a pretty cool dynamic of Dick being the easy going Batman,Damian being anti social Robin and Tim Drake becoming the guy whose always a step ahead, it would've been a really cool way of showing Bruce's negative impact if they Connected Tim's potential enemy hitlist from RR to Batman's contingencies from tower of babel
@@nathangarr7514 Deadass it never gets brought up like ever and it makes no sense because it's one of his rare stories where he's independent and not a sidekick
@@HELLO_KORO I feel like DC just forgot they actually were going a direction with his character before New 52, and now after everything’s been merged back together again they still are confused what to do, even tho Tim should remember Red Robin from before New 52 at this point. Just feels goofy and indecisive to me
@@nathangarr7514 i always felt like DC should just bring back old writers from beloved runs if a current writer is shitting on a character. Like I'd love Chris Yost to return on a Tim Drake comic with an identity that isn't Robin because he had good lore setups with building up the Council of spiders and Unternet as recurring villains.
If freddy krueger rules go. They should all be able to get out of these nightmares, become green lanterns, and possibly see all superheroes in a green lantern suit. But i know Deadman will figure out whats going on before that happens
I think supes should be what if humans aren't worthy of him. Like he's supposed to be an ideal for humans to strive for, what if they did the opposite in his name.
🧐🧐 A reason is needed to pair them together…? Life doesn’t work like that, there isn’t always a reason for things that happen… So why should comics require a particular reason to pair two characters together…? It’s more believable if it’s not predictable… Imo.
Tim Drake should be 21 and Jason should be 23. I say this because Tim became Robin at 13 a few months after Jason died at 15. And Damian became Robin at 10 while Tim was 17 and Damians been stated to be 14 in Robin (2021) which means these guys should be the age i stated at the start.
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Still waiting for dc to give anarky a new costume...and a new series...and a supporting cast...and some original villains...and to stop labeling him as a villain since, y'know, he's an anti hero.
@@the_well-known_stranger2275 but he's an anti hero. That doesn't work. He needs to be put back in the heroic spotlight he was put into in the 90's. Anarky doesn't work as a villain.
@@Ash-Winchester he’s a villain, not an antihero. He’s always been a villain, he started as a villain and he’s still a villain. At most he’s a villain with anti hero tendencies
@@the_well-known_stranger2275 No he isn't. Anarky being a villain was never the intention. Anarky's creator, alan grant even said that he's a full fledged anti hero. What kind of villain saves a homeless girl form being blown up by a suitcase bomb or thwarts ra' al ghul's plan to start world war 3 or uses a green lantern ring alongside kyle rayner to fight against the physical manifestation of the breakdown of the laws of physics? That doesn't sound like a villain to me. Maybe you should actually read anarky's series before making such absurd claims.
Tim's father had one of the most depressing lifes in comic book history. For those who don't know, Jack Drake and his wife were kidnapped on a business trip by an African cult that planned to sacrifice them. Batman managed to get them out, but not before they were both severely poisoned, with Jack left paralyzed and his wife dead. After regaining his mobility with the help of his new girlfriend, it seemed that Jack Drake had finally found happiness again... only to discover shortly after that his son was Robin and forbid him from wearing the costume again. Later, Jack Drake was finally killed by Captain Boomerang, leaving Tim completely orphaned. A really cruel and sad end
And then Deathstroke dropped a nuke on Jacks 2nd wife when she was at a mental health clinic in Bludhaven
I gotta ask is the nuke a real thing or is this sarcasm?
@@CrayonEater0311 in Infinite crisis Deathstroke dropped the living nuke Chemo on Bludhaven to piss off Nightwing, at the Time Tim was living there with a paid actor as his uncle to avoid being s Wayne adoptee
I appreciate that, imma go see if I can find that on UA-cam. It's dark enough to peak my interest
What's sad is that Batman successfully rescued them, but because of their kidnappers had kept them surrounded by burning coals, creating heat around them and taunting them by spilling water in front of them, they were severely dehydrated that they were desperate enough to drink a jar of poison thinking that it's water.
6:26
It was pretty surprissing to see Jason's mother being remembered again after so many years. The fact she cowardly betrayed him and yet Jason still tried to save her before they were killed by the Joker shows what a good boy the second Robin was. It was finally time to show the PTSD effects her involvement in his death left on him
Yep. Despite what was said after his death, Jason was actually a good Robin and still tried to save people. Even someone that had betrayed his trust and sold him out to the Joker.
@@fromolwyoming yeah to bad this was left out of Under the Red Hood, Jason being betrayed by his mom
Yep, even in the robin storyline it's revealed that if he never been robin jason would have opened up his own clinic to help drug addicts get clean named after his mother.
Not only did they acknowledge the death of Tim Drake's father, but for the first time in decades they acknowledge Jason Todd's mom, everyone forgets she was there too I don't
Same here, I read up on his mom over a decade and sucks she was left out of Under the Red Hood movie
Crowbar: *Appears*
Jason: "Ah, sh*t. Here we go again..."
I love their relationship. TIM IS SUCH A GENIUS
Tim and Jason are in the same dream because they have always been linked. Tim joined because of Jason’s death. Jason saw Tim as his “replacement”. They’ve had this sibling rivalry for a while.
The funny thing is that is that Jason gets along better with Tim than the rest of Batfamily
They’re in the same dream because they’re each others nightmare version of Robin
I like that Tim Drake’s and Jason Todd’s nightmare involves then trying to save their parents (specifically Tim’s dad and Jason’s mom). I wonder if we should see them team up more often.
In my head canon, since Jason’s resurrection in 1988 (or 23 years before Dawn of DC) and his return to Gotham in 2002 (or 14 years before Dawn of DC), he would me Tim shortly after Batman: Hush in around 2003 (or 14 years before Dawn of DC). There, Jason would tell Tim that he knows about him thanks to Dick Grayson telling him everything what has happened since his death. Jason would not be mad or jealous of Tim because he’s impressed that Tim chose to be Bruce Wayne Batman’s partner because Batman needs a Robin. Jason would be proud of Tim for taking his mantle and for saving Bruce from his darkness and for saving Dick Grayson from his doubt. Eventually, Jason and Tim would get along and would try to become brothers (just like Dick became an older brother to Jason, Tim, Damian, and Cassandra Cain).
Also, Tim Drake making fun of his latest series after seeing a boat.
I honestly imagine Jason's nightmare to be this:
Artemis: "Sorry, Jason...I am not a natural Redhead"
Jason: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" 😢
JAJAJAJAJA for me it's hilarous because first in Jason's design he was a Red Head
I found the fact that they stuck Tim and Jason together kind of endearing. It is almost a commentary by insomnia himself by saying U2 aren’t really even worth the effort so I’m just going to try to save time and double up on this one. Also, I was born in the 80s so I’m a easy sell for both of these characters and it was cool comic book fun.
"Batman and Robin...Orphans"
*Identity Crisis*
That line hit so hard
Identity Crisis issue 6
Fun fact: dreams about your teeth falling out is usually a sign of insecurity or deep personal loss
Seeing how Tim is using the boomerang that killed his dad it seems likely
No,that fact is not fun but may be useful
This is easily my favorite issue so far.
This event better acknowledge a lot of dead people. Imagine being in a plane or driving on the highway.
Ohhhh yeaaahh, thank you for playing this story line. Been enjoying every issue so far, dude your channel rules. King of the comics.
Am I the only one that hates Jason's look? I really preferred him with the red helmet.
His old look was iconic.
I really enjoy their dynamic. The two of them were easily the best part of Batman: Eternal. DC should utilize them together more
I actually live this time struggling to accept that he can't control it and Jason finding out his problems only multiply by using shoot first ask questions never approach. What I would love to see is a follow up issue where Tim just stands there outside the door and doesn't go in, he has to accept the loss to be able to get past it and Jason puts the guys down , a metaphors for accepting his death as opposed to trying to master death and goes back to the te hniques he used as Robin and as he fights the nightmares everytime he slams them into one another without killing them they re merge until its only one thereby accepting that his philosophy is wrong
“That he find interesting “ lol
Always down to hear more redhood
U should cover the Red Robin comic
6:13 i am still waiting for jason todd joker since 3 jokers storyline 💀
He wont become Joker.
Odd that at the 8:10 mark, nightmare Tim looks eerily like Raziel from the old Soul Reaver games
Thats exactly what i said when i saw it lol, looks inspired by him i think.
I aint ever been this early in my life
Poor Tim. He didn't deserve to lose his father simply because Brad Meltzer tried to imitate "Watchmen" in a pretty cheap way at the time of writing "Identity Crisis", with Jack Drake's death being an allusion to Hollis Mason's assassination
I actually think Tim’s father’s death is an interesting facet of his character for a different reason. What I think is cool is that it’s canon that the OG three Robins were present at the Haley’s Circus the night Dick’s parents died connecting them each to the Robin role. The other part of that connection is that to be Robin you have to be orphaned, for Dick that was through death, for Jason through abandonment. So by Tim Drake choosing to be Robin, he essentially decided to bare the curse of being a Robin and he too was orphaned. What’s cool about that is the juxtaposition of his life before, as a well off and gifted kid full of potential, to a broken hero who signed his life away to serve a man who he knew the city needed,
I think it was a cool addition, it was telling us about how being in the Batfamily you will lose everyone you know in order save thousands of lives that you don't know. Only reason it fell apart was because DC Rebooted 5 years after Tim's decent into Bruce like paranoia started
@@HELLO_KORO Tim really tried to use the Lazarus pit, fought Dick Grayson for barely any reason and tried to clone Connor Kent. Pre-52 Tim was so interesting and cool, really felt like he was in line to take up the Batman role during that arc, especially with Ra’s calling him Detective
@@nathangarr7514 it had a pretty cool dynamic of Dick being the easy going Batman,Damian being anti social Robin and Tim Drake becoming the guy whose always a step ahead, it would've been a really cool way of showing Bruce's negative impact if they Connected Tim's potential enemy hitlist from RR to Batman's contingencies from tower of babel
This was good, really enjoyed the video.
Rest in Piece the goat.
Jason: Ok pal, lets see what you got
Insomnia pulls the crowbar
Jason: Shit...
Ik they brothers 2:10 but damn being with Jason is a nightmare 😢 Jason my favorite tho
jason looks like solider 76
Oh, so Tim’s dad getting killed by Boomerang is back in canon.
It got recanonized in 2016
Just wish they’d recanonize the initial Red Robin run so they’d actually have something to do with his character
@@nathangarr7514 Deadass it never gets brought up like ever and it makes no sense because it's one of his rare stories where he's independent and not a sidekick
@@HELLO_KORO I feel like DC just forgot they actually were going a direction with his character before New 52, and now after everything’s been merged back together again they still are confused what to do, even tho Tim should remember Red Robin from before New 52 at this point. Just feels goofy and indecisive to me
@@nathangarr7514 i always felt like DC should just bring back old writers from beloved runs if a current writer is shitting on a character. Like I'd love Chris Yost to return on a Tim Drake comic with an identity that isn't Robin because he had good lore setups with building up the Council of spiders and Unternet as recurring villains.
Unleash the Beast
I thought flashes nightmare would be he's caught in a time loop / repeating flashpoints
If freddy krueger rules go. They should all be able to get out of these nightmares, become green lanterns, and possibly see all superheroes in a green lantern suit. But i know Deadman will figure out whats going on before that happens
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coop nightmare
Evil Thom Yorke be like: 7:56
Song: Pessimistic by Transmittercranium on the album ‘Adult B’
Damn I'm hella early. The earliest I've been in any video
If i was tim id take tjason hitting me personally. 1st you break my nose in Task Force Z now you punch me in the face in you're dreams Jason
I think supes should be what if humans aren't worthy of him. Like he's supposed to be an ideal for humans to strive for, what if they did the opposite in his name.
So in this event we just gonna go through the list?
What list?
@@comicstorian I mean every super hero and villain! They all asleep right?
@@tristonperry2378not just heroes every DC carather and yeah it's because of a new villain called insomnia
Would love to discover constantinr's nightmare
Why did jason say his 53rd bday at the begining
🧐🧐 A reason is needed to pair them together…? Life doesn’t work like that, there isn’t always a reason for things that happen… So why should comics require a particular reason to pair two characters together…?
It’s more believable if it’s not predictable… Imo.
I still wonder where is Sandman , isn't he Dream loard
There's a Sandman just not that one I think.
I’m not caught up on comics did Jason go blonde?
That’s white hair. He’s got a section of white in his black hair from the Lazarus pit
Jason looks sooo good in this! 🤒🥵🤤😍
Why does Insomnia look like Raziel??
How ooold is Jason???
Comic characters have this very unique ability to just not age lately, I think Damien is aging slightly but I don't know anymore
@@flashtheshapeshafter I swear hes 53
Tim Drake should be 21 and Jason should be 23. I say this because Tim became Robin at 13 a few months after Jason died at 15. And Damian became Robin at 10 while Tim was 17 and Damians been stated to be 14 in Robin (2021) which means these guys should be the age i stated at the start.
@@shaun10767nah Jason is in his twenties like for 20 to 25 I think he is 23
Jason is around 23-25, Tim is 21
Is this story old cuz he has his out law costume? Idk continuity with comics isn’t always the best
Naw he returned to his Outlaw suit In Joker: Man who stopped laughing. Which takes place after Task force Z and Batman vs Robin
@@HELLO_KOROso this comic? Is new in the actual timeline and it's canon?
@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 yes it's apart of the Night Terrors event where DC are stuck in nightmares
This comic came out this week
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I thought a witch doctor killed Tim drake parents?
Only his mother died, his dad was paralyzed from the poison.
@@hush9639 oh okay.
👍
Woa
I don’t know wether to call this bullshit or what
Is Red Hood really 53?
No, he is Younger: 21/22
@@giovannadias5957 Ok.
Let’s go
Captain Boomerang is not that good Tim come on now. 🤦🏿♂️
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Junk DC has completely lost it..
How so?
Still waiting for dc to give anarky a new costume...and a new series...and a supporting cast...and some original villains...and to stop labeling him as a villain since, y'know, he's an anti hero.
I’d rather he return to being one of Tim’s villains
@@the_well-known_stranger2275 but he's an anti hero. That doesn't work. He needs to be put back in the heroic spotlight he was put into in the 90's. Anarky doesn't work as a villain.
@@Ash-Winchester he’s a villain, not an antihero. He’s always been a villain, he started as a villain and he’s still a villain. At most he’s a villain with anti hero tendencies
@@the_well-known_stranger2275 No he isn't. Anarky being a villain was never the intention. Anarky's creator, alan grant even said that he's a full fledged anti hero. What kind of villain saves a homeless girl form being blown up by a suitcase bomb or thwarts ra' al ghul's plan to start world war 3 or uses a green lantern ring alongside kyle rayner to fight against the physical manifestation of the breakdown of the laws of physics? That doesn't sound like a villain to me. Maybe you should actually read anarky's series before making such absurd claims.
Did I miss something why is his hair white?
Lazarus pit
EARLY GANG