I remember when Lux was telling me he was forming a league of battlers & was looking for killers. Didnt know what to believe/think...exactly about a year or so later Lionz Den popped up. Wow, I didnt even know he broke some of them artist in Lionz Den....he most def deserves it after you look at the facts.
If you ask me it's a universal thing nobody wants to pay young black men what their worth .. Even in the work field .. I generated a lot of business for this pressure cleaning company and instead of just paying me good and making me happy so I can continue to grow they tried to replace me because he didn't wanna pay me what I was asking for which wasn't shit and not even a full 3 days ago (after a year ) the guy was asking me to come back he saw what I was doing cannot be mimicked smh
The fact that these guys can even be discussing getting 10k is great. You got legendary hiphop artists that have to do a an hour set for half that. So it's good to see people getting a career without being record company slaves or even corporate chess pieces for $10 per hr.
The way I see it is battle rappers only get paid at doing shows, no royalties, no sponsorship, record sales so pay them. I watch battles to see rappers not Smack or Organik or Lush, I watch to see rappers spaz. So if these battle leagues are stacking from all the viewership and sponsors and gate money then pay those mothafuckas cos without them there's no league, no battles and no fucking comments like this one or yours!! Period.
But you have to understand the guys you listed do have to put in a lot of work in order for them to have a platform to showcase and spaz on another dude lyrically. Venue, permits, flying the talent out, lights, cameras, mics, etc. Even though the battle rappers are the MAIN attraction, the company behind them are important as well.
Ya i get that, but that's an investment on smack's end. They've got a lot on their plate, as far paying off venues when the money comes in and eevrything else. So not everybody can get 40,000 cause not every rapper is gonna give you a good return on the investment you make in them.
+Corey Marshall True, but not every battler wants 40k. Actually there are less than 5 asking for at least 40k to battle. Surf, Mook, and Lux all want at least 40k. Mook wants 100k, which is crazy. Every battle rapper interview I've seen, they talk about worth, not every rapper thinks they are worth 40k, most are worth less than 5k. So if a few want 40k to battle then I think that's okay. Plus they aren't going to battle every week/month/year if they want that much. Mook battles like every 10 years it seems like, Lux is like 6 or 7, and Surf just battles who he deems worthy. But I get what you're saying with the return on investment of 40k. But Lux proved against Calicoe he's worth that much.
Yo I never knew Lux did so much for the culture.I do remember him puttin on Aresonal though. The 40k sounds justified now when I think about it, SMACK wouldn't of had any of these guys battling in his league if it wasn't for Lux!!
Terrible example, at shows you perform the same music over and over again. In battles, you always have to come out with new original material specifically tailored for your opponent. Also when you perform shows, there is no risk. Battler rappers risk their careers with every battle and their pay in subsequent battles is almost exclusively determine by their last performance. Original material+higher risk=higher pay. Considering they battle ~3 time a year, they def need a raise.
yo man thts real tlk charlie spitting bc lux has done more for battle rap than anybdy as an artist & a league owner & clips said e en when smack died dnw lux had the lionz den keepn the culture alive & nobdy can deny wht hes done as a battler so to not want to pay him is crazy & w/ the buzz he has will only heighten url just from his presence alone im boycotting smack until lux battles
They get that per battle plus they have a side hustle/job. If battle rap continues to grow and the upper tier can start getting 8-10k per event, that's not bad at all for 40-50 mins of work (excluding preparation time and memorizing and revizing bars). From KotD, to Smack to other venues, they could potentially start to make 30-50k a year off battling alone if they do 4-5 events per year, that's not too shabby at all.
1) not knowing the meaning of a term does not have something to do with stupidity. 2) a rack=$1000. Go google it, or hear a 1000 rappers say the exact same thing. Thats another rack for you.
I would be blessed to get a stack thats enough to start off like clips said because i know it will increase over time. Lets say i do 6 battles imma ask for 2 or 3 stacks now
I don't know their ending revenue since URL is a privately held company. But if we add the early bird and venue ticket prices and multiply it by the amount of people that came then we get the amount of revenue THEY MADE FROM SELLING SM3 tickets, which is under a 100 stacks.
If it was anyone else I would agree that 40 was too much But Lux was the one who took battle rap to a whole new level. He deserves 40k based on his resume and what hes done for the sport alone
Damn, I didn't know that was the reason Lionz Den existed. I thought SMACK was holdin steady the whole time in Battle Rap since the Jae Millz and Murda Mook battle.
I been pondering about this since 01. How to make money off battling? Boy things have changed for the better since then (1 guy wins the night vs many battlers). Battling is not very marketable in a sense of selling. It's also still a very niche entertainment vs lets say, UFC. I can see it gradually growing, but right now, today, it is very difficult to do so. If anything KOTD is going that direction with Drake sponsering etc. UFC is built on sponsers like no tomm. for example.
Uber drivers in London get a £1000 a week. These fellas work god damn hard...amateur or professional.... pay them more!!!! Get some sponsors..make this a televised sport...i feel like battle rap ive been watcging for over ten years but its growth has been so sloww!
Clips sorta contradicted himself speaking on Daylyt. if Day is able to pull 100-300thousand views WITHOUT being on a URL channel that already has 200-300 thousand SUBSCRIBERS, he should/would be able to to pull a pretty decent amount of views being on that channel which already has the traffic anyway.
nothing wrong with lux wanting 40k to battle & nothing wrong with smack/url not wanting to pay him that much due to other expenses... the problem is that other leagues are probably willing to cut lux that bigger check to get him on a card (like UW right now) & once somebody already gets paid like that, everyone else is gonna want a raise. the market value of these dudes is gonna raise overnight & url won't be able to do shit about it except pay up for future events.
Battle rappers need to let it go, you will never get paid more than you worth. The only solution to this financial situation is to be sponsored by a brand i.e Adidas, Nike, Reebook etc
still gotta think of views - the battle did upwards of 3 million views. You always have to count that revenue. If this was the cd music industry, we would call the revenue of the views residuals.
the latest WD sounds a bit like URL has recentley as well though. i think the crowds are too big.. people at the back start losing concentration and aren't as interested in the battles. plus ppl be standing around for like 10 hours listening to battles, shit gets boring
Beasley said that the Lux vs Calicoe helped URL and all, but they had Summer Madness at the same venue the year before and the same amount of people showed up. Which translates into, we didn't need you to do the numbers.
Anybody have insight on how much the UA-cam contracts bring in? Because to me, I would think that getting paid residuals off of the views would be where the long money is. Then 40k doesn't seem like that much. Imagine getting just 10 cents per view. 3.5 million views would get you 350k
People are drunk if they think Lux is worth 40k, much less if they think Smack should give him it. If I was Smack, there's no fucking way I'd give Lux 40k. With $40,000, I could pay off the checks of the top 4 artists, Calicoe, Conceited, Charlie Clips and DNA and probably still have enough left over to pay for their hotels stays. With the way Clips and DNA were talking, Smack isn't paying them as much as I initially thought, which is sad. But it would mean that 40k would stretch more.
what i dont get is that he claims he puts in work but he's only done 4 or 5 battles ever... same goes for Mook. Culture isn't where it is now because of him or anyone of the other legends. It's because of all the guys who were around up until SM2.
800 tickets, 100 dollars each 200 dollar early bird tickets, not sure how much VIP was maybe 300 or so. Venue is worth 20k and they have sponsors to help them $ wise as well in order to relief some pressure. Also with Lux on the card they were probably gonna do ppv which would've generated extra cash as well with the ads and the people who actually purchased it. There's so many factors to this equation and you sound quite like a hypocrite saying " you can't just pull numbers" then pull numbers
He should've kept that 40k thing behind closed doors he might have got it. Lux is major nice but at the rate they giving everybody else TO BATTLE 40k don't sound right unless he's almost guaranteeing URL will make their money back. He need to be involved more with the business side. But like everybody employee/employer relationship: you take what they want to pay you, START YOUR OWN SHIT, or go to the next man who will pay more because where money goes there's somebody looking to come up.
I think we love it too much to regress, we were battling before it was at this level, i think the fact wer at this level is down to the point our skill level has reached. We cant, too many intelligent individuals involved now combined with too much money involved.
See ,Smack and Beasley are in a very very grand position right now.They know that Lux needs them more then they need him..plain and simple.Even tho Lux should be gettin whatever he asks for,i feel ,but URL just happens to be the Number1 most respected league in the world..as a Brand.SO ,thats why Lux,for his own good,will come back on that stage but for less money..I guarentee it.Its Queen vs pawn,,not much else you can do .Smack used to make hood vids..smh ,free content,,used for his own good
lux gets allegedly a better offer from kotd every now nd then, but he refuses that sht bcuz he wants to bring url to another level with his battles ukno so he could make more money on other platforms but he always said that url is the only league at this point for him to battle, smack knows this that's why the battle will prob never happen but smack has to realise that his own company grows faster with 1 lux battle than all dem names on that sm3 card
Exactly. Loaded Lux seems to forget that if they don't pay him his 40K he makes 0K. He is a battle rapper. He needs a forum to go own. In all honesty if every league said fuck you we'll pay you 10K he would have no choice but to accept it. With that being said, Lux is that nigga and they should pay him haha. But you get the point.
Look at they way these 2 are defending Lux, and you all know whats coming, Charlie and DNA will be asking for 40k soon, if they run URL they would not agree with 40k fees, they would probably be having fits right about now
i doubt very much that daylyt would bring that many added viewers to the url channel, the majority of daylyt fans in all likelyhood are subscribers to url anyway.
Dont think daylyts beef is financial, daylyts beef is cos he thinks he got intentially screwed by smack thinking smack knew all along daylyt and a couple others wouldnt get to battle, but put them on the card to attract more attendance.
You cant only base the money they make from the battle rap either because they battle rap on a big platform it opens up other lanes niggas get paid to show up at clubs and host parties and shit.
People just agree with the rapper and don't appreciate what Smack and Beasley has done. They do so much behind the scenes just to feed these dudes. Lux isn't worth 40k, I don't care what he has done. Thats insane. And Lion's Den didn't break all those rappers. lol Many iof them were buzzing before that. Thats why Lux went to seek them out. Do research.
Am I the only one thinking that clips looks like a mix of lloyd banks and Ice Cube?
Yes.
Nah, can't be the only one :)
+ROB Channel More like ice cube imo
yea, but those lips are from lloyd tho haha
lol
Basically what DNA are Charlie are saying is that your resume dictates your worth. Show your worth and you can charge accordingly.
It was close but i have to give this to clip 3-0
+Reggie lmao
+Reggie Debatable body bag to Joe Budden 0-2
Nah you missed the whole 3rd 2-1
Hahaahhahaha
i'm i the only one who thinks Canibus killed it tho?
Charlie Clips on Lux and Hollow level to me....
Hell yea he is...u don't need to say this🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Hollow is beneath
I remember when Lux was telling me he was forming a league of battlers & was looking for killers. Didnt know what to believe/think...exactly about a year or so later Lionz Den popped up. Wow, I didnt even know he broke some of them artist in Lionz Den....he most def deserves it after you look at the facts.
"my thing is this" - Clips. hahaha
"the moral of the story is this" - Clips. hahaha
1000 dollars is nothing. Artist should get pay more because its hard work
Works like that in real life too! Lol
hate em or love these guys are / gonna be legends
DocTani lets sats say in 20 yrs they have a battle rap hall of fame do u think they will be on the list
3 years later. They fucking are mate
GRIND ETHIKS MIXTAPE SHOW yes
The goats
If you ask me it's a universal thing nobody wants to pay young black men what their worth .. Even in the work field .. I generated a lot of business for this pressure cleaning company and instead of just paying me good and making me happy so I can continue to grow they tried to replace me because he didn't wanna pay me what I was asking for which wasn't shit and not even a full 3 days ago (after a year ) the guy was asking me to come back he saw what I was doing cannot be mimicked smh
Dee double u It’s not a race issue stop reaching
Dee double u "a young black man" boyyyy stfu about your race. Black people aren't the only ones who get screwed over.
The fact that these guys can even be discussing getting 10k is great. You got legendary hiphop artists that have to do a an hour set for half that. So it's good to see people getting a career without being record company slaves or even corporate chess pieces for $10 per hr.
The way I see it is battle rappers only get paid at doing shows, no royalties, no sponsorship, record sales so pay them. I watch battles to see rappers not Smack or Organik or Lush, I watch to see rappers spaz. So if these battle leagues are stacking from all the viewership and sponsors and gate money then pay those mothafuckas cos without them there's no league, no battles and no fucking comments like this one or yours!! Period.
But you have to understand the guys you listed do have to put in a lot of work in order for them to have a platform to showcase and spaz on another dude lyrically. Venue, permits, flying the talent out, lights, cameras, mics, etc. Even though the battle rappers are the MAIN attraction, the company behind them are important as well.
Ya i get that, but that's an investment on smack's end. They've got a lot on their plate, as far paying off venues when the money comes in and eevrything else. So not everybody can get 40,000 cause not every rapper is gonna give you a good return on the investment you make in them.
+Corey Marshall True, but not every battler wants 40k. Actually there are less than 5 asking for at least 40k to battle. Surf, Mook, and Lux all want at least 40k. Mook wants 100k, which is crazy. Every battle rapper interview I've seen, they talk about worth, not every rapper thinks they are worth 40k, most are worth less than 5k. So if a few want 40k to battle then I think that's okay. Plus they aren't going to battle every week/month/year if they want that much. Mook battles like every 10 years it seems like, Lux is like 6 or 7, and Surf just battles who he deems worthy. But I get what you're saying with the return on investment of 40k. But Lux proved against Calicoe he's worth that much.
D.N.A and Charlie Clips....(RESPECT)....my two favorites mixed with "STAND OUTS" being Arsenal, Murda Mook
Yo I never knew Lux did so much for the culture.I do remember him puttin on Aresonal though. The 40k sounds justified now when I think about it, SMACK wouldn't of had any of these guys battling in his league if it wasn't for Lux!!
Terrible example, at shows you perform the same music over and over again. In battles, you always have to come out with new original material specifically tailored for your opponent. Also when you perform shows, there is no risk. Battler rappers risk their careers with every battle and their pay in subsequent battles is almost exclusively determine by their last performance. Original material+higher risk=higher pay. Considering they battle ~3 time a year, they def need a raise.
FACTS!!!!!
My two favorite battle rapper
Man I love Loaded Lux yo! The Lionz Den made is possible for alotta Battle Rappers to be seen. yeah Loaded Lux did that! Pay That man!
That doesn't even make sense in any capacity.
I always wondered "if they get paid $1000, it's like $800 for the plane ticket to get there".... It all makes sense to me now
well they cover the ticket and hotel and grant you the thousand
Someone show Cassidy this video lol
Wow, Lux built URL
much respect , makes sense, you have to put your work in -christone87
Battle rappers who put on these shows deserve way more
I'm going to go watch the Lux vs Calicoe battle again
Charlie Clips and DNA ALWAYS Keep it A Grown Man Stack!!!
yo man thts real tlk charlie spitting bc lux has done more for battle rap than anybdy as an artist & a league owner & clips said e en when smack died dnw lux had the lionz den keepn the culture alive & nobdy can deny wht hes done as a battler so to not want to pay him is crazy & w/ the buzz he has will only heighten url just from his presence alone im boycotting smack until lux battles
damn watxhing this now daylyt has more views then clips
That thumbnail sums up DNA and Cluos perfectly LoL
I like this video, t's interesting. It's my second time watching it.
They get that per battle plus they have a side hustle/job. If battle rap continues to grow and the upper tier can start getting 8-10k per event, that's not bad at all for 40-50 mins of work (excluding preparation time and memorizing and revizing bars). From KotD, to Smack to other venues, they could potentially start to make 30-50k a year off battling alone if they do 4-5 events per year, that's not too shabby at all.
Damn, 3 years ago? Time goes by so fast.
Grim Reaper facts
Damn times have changed
I like the way they elaborated on that..... because it's more than the league not paying what you ask for.... you got to put in WORK!!!!
clips is lloyd banks son
grand dini not
Naw b dot is 😂😂😂
Smack gonna get paid forever from that battle and he only got $1000 🤯
1) not knowing the meaning of a term does not have something to do with stupidity.
2) a rack=$1000. Go google it, or hear a 1000 rappers say the exact same thing. Thats another rack for you.
I would be blessed to get a stack thats enough to start off like clips said because i know it will increase over time. Lets say i do 6 battles imma ask for 2 or 3 stacks now
Now years later after this interview .... battle rappers making $100,000 plus
Give Lux 30k and Hollow 15k to battle, set it up.
Lux is priceless when it comes to value toward the battle rap culture, so I think he would be worthy of a 40k payday if the numbers allowed it.
him and E ness is a classic... hahahahahahaahahaah
if Serious Jones & Iron Solomon got 10k & Murda Mook got 20k at SM2, Lux SHOULD get 40k. #CND
I don't know their ending revenue since URL is a privately held company. But if we add the early bird and venue ticket prices and multiply it by the amount of people that came then we get the amount of revenue THEY MADE FROM SELLING SM3 tickets, which is under a 100 stacks.
Everything is a battle DNA 2-1
i agree lux is worth it alot of ppl got on to battle rap bcuz if his calicoe battle
DNA vs clips gonna happen in this lifetime
If it was anyone else I would agree that 40 was too much
But Lux was the one who took battle rap to a whole new level. He deserves 40k based on his resume and what hes done for the sport alone
Damn, I didn't know that was the reason Lionz Den existed. I thought SMACK was holdin steady the whole time in Battle Rap since the Jae Millz and Murda Mook battle.
My point exactly.... Lux had the battle of SM2.
Fuck wit how he mentioned all the west philly spittaz
With all the battle rap money talk, thought Vlad did a rewind clip...
No organization= no venue= no money for battlers.
I been pondering about this since 01. How to make money off battling? Boy things have changed for the better since then (1 guy wins the night vs many battlers). Battling is not very marketable in a sense of selling. It's also still a very niche entertainment vs lets say, UFC. I can see it gradually growing, but right now, today, it is very difficult to do so. If anything KOTD is going that direction with Drake sponsering etc. UFC is built on sponsers like no tomm. for example.
Yes they are right. You never get what you deserve you get what you negotiate.
The point was there will always b another platform.
Uber drivers in London get a £1000 a week. These fellas work god damn hard...amateur or professional.... pay them more!!!! Get some sponsors..make this a televised sport...i feel like battle rap ive been watcging for over ten years but its growth has been so sloww!
Clips sorta contradicted himself speaking on Daylyt. if Day is able to pull 100-300thousand views WITHOUT being on a URL channel that already has 200-300 thousand SUBSCRIBERS, he should/would be able to to pull a pretty decent amount of views being on that channel which already has the traffic anyway.
What in that paragraph is stupid? Everything he just said makes sense and it's perfect economics.
chalrie clips looks like the janitor at dna's old high school
nothing wrong with lux wanting 40k to battle & nothing wrong with smack/url not wanting to pay him that much due to other expenses...
the problem is that other leagues are probably willing to cut lux that bigger check to get him on a card (like UW right now) & once somebody already gets paid like that, everyone else is gonna want a raise. the market value of these dudes is gonna raise overnight & url won't be able to do shit about it except pay up for future events.
how do you know how much money they made ?
Battle rappers need to let it go, you will never get paid more than you worth. The only solution to this financial situation is to be sponsored by a brand i.e Adidas, Nike, Reebook etc
still gotta think of views - the battle did upwards of 3 million views. You always have to count that revenue. If this was the cd music industry, we would call the revenue of the views residuals.
the latest WD sounds a bit like URL has recentley as well though. i think the crowds are too big.. people at the back start losing concentration and aren't as interested in the battles. plus ppl be standing around for like 10 hours listening to battles, shit gets boring
Beasley said that the Lux vs Calicoe helped URL and all, but they had Summer Madness at the same venue the year before and the same amount of people showed up. Which translates into, we didn't need you to do the numbers.
Anybody have insight on how much the UA-cam contracts bring in? Because to me, I would think that getting paid residuals off of the views would be where the long money is. Then 40k doesn't seem like that much. Imagine getting just 10 cents per view. 3.5 million views would get you 350k
like dude said...u get what u negotiate!!!
tech 9 lmfao , razor blades, more plates! razor blades, more plates ! foh haha classic.
The bottom line is Lux 2-1!
People are drunk if they think Lux is worth 40k, much less if they think Smack should give him it.
If I was Smack, there's no fucking way I'd give Lux 40k. With $40,000, I could pay off the checks of the top 4 artists, Calicoe, Conceited, Charlie Clips and DNA and probably still have enough left over to pay for their hotels stays.
With the way Clips and DNA were talking, Smack isn't paying them as much as I initially thought, which is sad. But it would mean that 40k would stretch more.
what i dont get is that he claims he puts in work but he's only done 4 or 5 battles ever... same goes for Mook. Culture isn't where it is now because of him or anyone of the other legends. It's because of all the guys who were around up until SM2.
daylyt has a battle with almost 500k views vs rich dollaz
Are they blood brothers???
I'm not saying all of them making good money, but the top tier are making enough to ball out for a couple years at their peak
2-1 clips
In 5 years Battling will be the biggest sport in the world
And then there is Dont Flop who pay their mc's nothing at all.
Theres nothing wrong with a person wanting 40k who are u to tell someones worth.......Make that money
Dude, I don't think there's as much money in the game as these young rappers think.
800 tickets, 100 dollars each 200 dollar early bird tickets, not sure how much VIP was maybe 300 or so. Venue is worth 20k and they have sponsors to help them $ wise as well in order to relief some pressure. Also with Lux on the card they were probably gonna do ppv which would've generated extra cash as well with the ads and the people who actually purchased it. There's so many factors to this equation and you sound quite like a hypocrite saying " you can't just pull numbers" then pull numbers
He should've kept that 40k thing behind closed doors he might have got it. Lux is major nice but at the rate they giving everybody else TO BATTLE 40k don't sound right unless he's almost guaranteeing URL will make their money back. He need to be involved more with the business side. But like everybody employee/employer relationship: you take what they want to pay you, START YOUR OWN SHIT, or go to the next man who will pay more because where money goes there's somebody looking to come up.
Dna only got one rack vs x factor wow
smack wasn't on B.E.T before the loaded lux battle so.....
DNA always seems to know his shit.
I think we love it too much to regress, we were battling before it was at this level, i think the fact wer at this level is down to the point our skill level has reached. We cant, too many intelligent individuals involved now combined with too much money involved.
100 people times a $100 is $10,000 .. I don't even know how these leagues are making money..
Yt streaming don't pay big money but it's a check
See ,Smack and Beasley are in a very very grand position right now.They know that Lux needs them more then they need him..plain and simple.Even tho Lux should be gettin whatever he asks for,i feel ,but URL just happens to be the Number1 most respected league in the world..as a Brand.SO ,thats why Lux,for his own good,will come back on that stage but for less money..I guarentee it.Its Queen vs pawn,,not much else you can do .Smack used to make hood vids..smh ,free content,,used for his own good
lux gets allegedly a better offer from kotd every now nd then, but he refuses that sht bcuz he wants to bring url to another level with his battles ukno so he could make more money on other platforms but he always said that url is the only league at this point for him to battle, smack knows this that's why the battle will prob never happen but smack has to realise that his own company grows faster with 1 lux battle than all dem names on that sm3 card
I would pay lux 40k to battle meek mill
fuck the haters lux is worth 40 K !!!
Exactly DNA!
Exactly. Loaded Lux seems to forget that if they don't pay him his 40K he makes 0K. He is a battle rapper. He needs a forum to go own. In all honesty if every league said fuck you we'll pay you 10K he would have no choice but to accept it. With that being said, Lux is that nigga and they should pay him haha. But you get the point.
You wanna put tech 9 in?......dna face ......clips:nvm
Look at they way these 2 are defending Lux, and you all know whats coming, Charlie and DNA will be asking for 40k soon, if they run URL they would not agree with 40k fees, they would probably be having fits right about now
i doubt very much that daylyt would bring that many added viewers to the url channel, the majority of daylyt fans in all likelyhood are subscribers to url anyway.
Clips is in the top 5 top tier battlers... If he's not yours, name them.
Dont think daylyts beef is financial, daylyts beef is cos he thinks he got intentially screwed by smack thinking smack knew all along daylyt and a couple others wouldnt get to battle, but put them on the card to attract more attendance.
You cant only base the money they make from the battle rap either because they battle rap on a big platform it opens up other lanes niggas get paid to show up at clubs and host parties and shit.
1000 is trash for 9 thousand min of prep
People just agree with the rapper and don't appreciate what Smack and Beasley has done. They do so much behind the scenes just to feed these dudes. Lux isn't worth 40k, I don't care what he has done. Thats insane. And Lion's Den didn't break all those rappers. lol Many iof them were buzzing before that. Thats why Lux went to seek them out. Do research.
they make a good amount of money through UA-cam and ads, sponsors, etc