Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy 101
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2016
- Munchausen by Proxy (MSbP), or Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another, is a twisted and bizarre form of child abuse where a parent causes, induces, or fakes symptoms of illness in a child in order to GAIN ATTENTION and SYMPATHY.
Today's doctors, nurses, child advocates, and attorneys do NOT understand this vicious form of child abuse.
My mother, who is a nurse, abused my body and my mind to gain attention and affection. She used sexual abuse by a sibling to cause chronic health problems and two extremely painful invasive vaginal area procedures at age 5 and 9. I also, like many kids with this kind of parent, had bouts of constipation that would land me in the er. She told everyone one I was sick because of a 3rd kidney that never existed. It was her favorite story to tell to doctors, nurses, family, friends and strangers. It was also her explanation about why I was so under weight and was on antibiotics no less than once a month. I weighed 59 lbs at 11 years old. Their shock, curiosity, support and hugs turned her into a completely different personality. Like what an average mom would be like but happy. She took me to counselors and told them I was a pathological liar and I needed help immediately. She was afraid I'd become a criminal and go to hell if a good Christian counselor couldn't help me. She took up the majority of the time with the counselor and I'd see her for about ten minutes. The sick and twisted things she said I had done were frequently talked through with all three of us. She was never so nice to me anywhere than she was in that room. She would beam with love, kindness and patience. When I decided to not allow her to my appointments or talk about my chronic health issues a few years ago she began a smear campaign with my whole family. I have zero contact with her now.
The best thing to do to see if a child or adult is a victim of this is to remove the affected person from "who they need most".
To me, this sounds like mbp. But, it also seems like that's not the only way to describe her behavior with a diagnosis. I'm trying to find out what this is called so i can learn and heal and begin a new life.
I hope you are better nowadays and also hope you are able to help other kids that are currently living the same thing
I find it crazy that the constipation is something so common between MSBP abusers, but then again seems to be the easiest way to sicken a child. My sister and I, victims of this abuse, both had these "chronic" constipation problems.
I am so sorry for your pain 😪 it wasn't your fault, I believe you 💗 it sounds like your mother is a narcissist also. Bc bought my aunti and my mother is and I can recognize the traits you describe.
I Was understanding today wath happend 20 year’s ago after reading about this syndrome. My mother sad I was having epileptic desires and hold me on rivotil to I was 12 yo from 6yo and took me to hospital every month. . I learn so much to day and finely I goth som peace wit way things happen
im so sorry you were put through this. I cant understand it at all. sadly men do the same and I cant believe how sick people are. I would do anything to take this pain from kids and to bring awareness to this kind of behavior ! I hope I can help as this man does and create awareness. very soon people will finally understand that this pain is mental and physical or sometimes only mentally. I'm in so much pain knowing that my kids are hurting and I cant help. I saved my own life from a dark mental illness to have my kids and because this man wants to hurt me...he is hurting the loves of my life. I feel so alone and I hate this life he's forced my babies into.
I am a survivor of Munchausen by Proxy. My mom was a nurse. I had to go no contact with my family as a result. My mom would get all excited and dressed up to go to the doctor like it was a fancy party. I was never allowed to see a docotor alone. Mom had me convinced by 12 that I was dieing and the doctors dont know whats wrong. My mom told everyone I was sick with something I wasnt. Controlled my eating so I was underweight and looked sick. Being underweight caused heart problems when I would sit or stsnd so I was put on halter moniters etc. Sooooo many vitamins and pills.... My mom was very abusive. Only allowed to shower once a week, not allowed a bedroom door when I lived at home no friends etc. I was never allowed to close or lock my bathroom door otherwise mom couldnt investigate my stool or body for signs of illness. Never allowed to grow my hair long, choose my own clothing, or have money or manage my own finances. I live in Northern Canada but have seen over 24 doctors including in the U. S of America by the time I was 12. Not to mention surguries I've had. I was scripted what to say or do and was always punished after. Punished even for crying as it is a sign of weakness and was never tolerated. I never felt loved. Mom would tell everyone else what sacrifices she has made for me and how much she loves me, but never tell me she loved me or give me any privacy or respect. Her famous words were "My life ended the moment you were born. Or its becsuse you are a failure at home that you will fail in the real world." She would always remind me that doctors told her I was severly mentally delayed and would not make it through school (I graduated high school just fine) She called me names and would yell at for hours. To keep me dependent I was not allowed to learn how to drive (because I was "too sick") as long as I lived at home, I was not helped to write a resume. My mom would sabatoge my employment calling and talking to my bosses on my behalf about my "illnesses" I have now gone no contact with my family. Unfortunately I lost my dad (who chose to stay, love, and support his wife) and extended family. I found out it was a family secret tIat everyone knew but no one helped me. Mom never new how to smile with her eyes, or laugh at herself or tell jokes. I always felt responsible for her happiness and sad because it was like she could never feel true happiness in her self. You have to realize that unless you have lived with another family you have nothing to compare your family too they are all you've known your entire life, so its hard to recognize this as abusive or wrong.
Your story is so sad, but 100% typical of Munchausen by Proxy mothers. Thank you for sharing your story, Meaghan.
Your story could be mine - saounds absolutely the same. What makes me angry is that the social wellfare, who paid the bills never get astonished about seven docs a month. - and 34 different docs in seven years -plus one said mother you are the Problem here -it was when I was eighteen - but she slammed the door and took me violently on my arm and brought me to the next doc the same day. She could all do this until my 37 birhtday becaus e nobody ever offered help-even if I told she is mean to me and I would feel better if she wouldnt be around me.Other docs were sooooo stupid believeing mother I would be a schizophrenic who is shy and taken aback so she had to accompany me to the doctors. Never one said Go out mother she is 33 I thing she should do it on her own sick or not ! Shyness is no reason.I was never allowed to make the driving licence and when I headed for a Jobshe simply putketchup on my whole clothes - I had to cancel.She called the Police Look What she has done to her clothes. She gave me Valium overdosis and drove me to the Scientology Gulag -where I had to stay for seven years Livin --innuendo.No-- Food no outside life work and ehavy drugs- I lost my right breast and mommy dearst fought for me getting chemo -which I never wanted.I begged not to have it but what will you do if the scientzologists and the mother o not open the door -and leeting you stay i the hall for two nights until you aklmost faint. Then I was allowed to sleep but had to sign yeas to chemo.Chemo killed my pussy wagon .And now I am a killer.No, I am not but I am short before I am afraid. Avoid Germany !"Scientologist nazi trheadmill still !!!!I am sad - I want my father.
Please read it ,folks. I wasn´t marking my sentences....
So sorry you had go go through that
You will get a better life my dear friend. God will be with you. He will take away all the sorrows from your life. Trust God!!!! Isaiah 49:15_16
My ex is a doctor and suffers from Munchauson syndrome by proxy. She withheld medicine, from our newborn son for months until her brother, who is also a doctor intervened.
I was working away from home, in a laboratory at two o'clock in the morning and my wife phoned me to tel me that our 3 year old son was in intensive care and wasn't expected to live. When I had left home 12 hours earlier, he was fine.
She has severely disabled our eldest son, both physically and developmentally during pubity by denying him fluids in a period of rapid physical growth. For almost a year he suffered disabling migraines. She used to overdose him with ibuprofen. The doctors didn't know what the cause was. After several months, I observed that he wasn't drinking. He was dehydrated. His mum insisted that he had migraines because she had migraines during pubity. It turned into a major conflict that I couldn't win. She's the doctor I was the ignorant one. Eventually, I insisted that we take him to a private doctor. The doctor diagnosed him as severely dehydrated within one minute of seeing him.
She showed no remorse and never acknowledged the devastation she has caused her family.
My son spends his days in bed and his nights high from drugs and suffers chronic stomach pains. I'm traumatised.
My mother was this monster! It’s absolutely so disgusting what she did to me. I drank for years to mask it all. I am free now. Absolutely disgusting.
This video sent chills down my spine, my son was being given suppositories and laxatives daily till his intestines were almost destroyed. I was told by his mother everything from he was bleeding on his brain to he was dying . His medical file was over 14 inches thick from over 10 different drs who all ended up testifying against my ex in court documents at that time my son was 3 years old couldn't walk could barely lift his head . I was awarded full legal and physical custody hes now 5 years old walking on his own and mom is nowhere to be found. She doesn't even show up to her supervised visitations. Not to mention she had filed 15 false cps allegations against myself ALL to be found unsubstantiated. My son has been with me for 2 years now has been sick twice compared to every week when he was with mother and has a 90 percent attendance rate at school as opposed to missing nearly 90 percent of the school year including required therapy when he was with mom
Wow, what abuse your son had to endure! So happy he's now safe with you. Thanks for sharing your unbelievable story.
Hey Mr. Maatouk I'm glad you were able to get your son away from your disturbed ex. God bless
OMG Ali, I'm so sorry. I study Narcissistic Personality Disorder victim syndrome. Did your ex have this?
@@TheTeganOsmondChannel She definitely exhibited all the traits of a narcissistic . A complete lack of empathy for any of her actions or behavior or the effects it could have on people, including her own son.. It took years to heal from the emotional damage. Just being around her or having any communication seemed to always set us back so we've chosen the no-contact route. It has been four years now and we seem to be doing well.
@@alimaatouk5966 I'm so sorry Ali. I am thrilled for you that you made the decision to go no contact. It's the right thing to do. It's stories like yours that helped inspire me to devote my life to studying and exposing this horrific personality disorder and help their victims. Thank you so much for sharing and I'm sending blessings your way
I just started therapy for this yesterday (victim). It ruined my life
Team Skev I hope all goes well
Can you elaborate, please? I'm so sorry...
Please read Positive Psychology, and look into meditation for self healing. You can do it. Learn to love yourself. Sending 🙌🏼 you lots of happiness, health and success!
My ex-wife is a medical doctor with a international reputation. She made both our sons suffer as children and she continues to this day to make them suffer. She withheld medication from our second son when he was a baby suffering from eczema. She didn't want his skin thinning from using topical steroid creme. He was a miserable baby. He never smiled. In the morning's his face would be bleeding from his scratching. This lasted for months. She wouldn't listen to me and I think her brother, also a docter, persuaded her to use the creme. Within a week he was a different baby. Smiling, comfortable... a lovely baby. He suffered no adverse effects from the creme.
She had a difficult pregnancy with our second son and so she took both our sons and moved out of our family home and returned to her own house to be closer to her mom, which is over a hundred miles away. I remained in my apartment in London to take care of our business.
I visited my wife and kids every weekend and returned to the business. One Monday, I returned to the business. I was still at work at 12.30 am on the Tuesday morning, when I got a call from my distraught wife; our youngest son is in intensive care and I should go straight to the hospital over a hundred miles away.
For the first three years of his life, he was in hospital four or five times and in intensive care on three separate occasions.
He caught chicken pox and after a week, I thought he was getting better. He had perked up quite dramatically, so I gave him a bath. His mother took him up to bed and slept with him for a hour. She came down stairs with him in her arms sayng "I couldn't get him to settle. His hands and feet are really cold and I don't know what to do". She should have known what to do because she had previously told me what those symtoms meant.. he was dying. I wrapped him in a blanket and I drove her and our baby to hospital.
It was evening and a proper examination could not happen until the following day. He was admitted into hospital; nil by mouth. That night was horrible. My three year old son was suffering from thirst and I could only dampen his lips with a damp sponge. He was transfered to intensive care after he was examined by a doctor. That was his final and longest stay; four days in intensive care, followed by fourteen days in hospital.
Our eldest son was fourteen when he started getting headaches. They were sever enough to keep him from attending school. The doctors didn't know the cause. This went on for months. Specialist consultant doctors couldn't diagnose the cause.
I finally understood what was causing his headaches. He was dehydrated. I recalled, when I was a boy, I was always drinking water from the tap/faucet. I had never seen my son drinking, other than the diet coke, which my wife was proud to admit, she was addicted.
I observed his drinking habits and knew he was dehydrated. The solution was at hand, he should drink more fluids. His mother (the doctor), said "No! His headaches are genetic. She had suffered with headaches during puberty therefor his headaches were caused by the same reason... genetics.
I argued with her to no avail. I tried to persuade my son to drink more, to no avail. She is the doctor, I am not.
From early on in our marriage my loving wife, had so lovingly, been undermining me. Praising me to everyone, yet subversively destroying my influence within the family. I hadn't a clue what was going on at the time.
Often, our son would awake in the morning with a headache. She would overdose him with paediatric Ibruprofen syrup. This carried on for over a year. For a whole academic year, he completed only two full weeks at school. Every other week he had one or more days off school.
Eventually, I forced her hand and we took him to a private hospital for a consultation. After we explained the symptons to him, the doctor asked how much he drank. Not enough! The doctor. diagnosed dehydradion and told him to drink more fluids and the headaches would go away. The headaches quickly disappeared. Unfortunately, the lack of schooling affected our son's confidence. The large amounts of Ibruprofen given to him by his mom, during his puberty, has left him with chronic indigestion, stomach cramps and flatulance.
He is now nineteen years old. Psychologically, he is shatterd. He can do nothing for himself and cannot be parted from his mom for more than a few days at a time. His mom boasts to anyone, that he is her "Mommies boy".
These are just a few examples of my now, former wife's multiple personality disorders. For years I could not comprehend what her problem was. I was really puzzled by her behaviour, because she was generally, very loving, but she liked to get her own way. My eldest son educated me one morning when I was trying to usher him out of the house to school. I had disentangled him from the usual stressful, morning encounter with his mom, and as I did so, I heard him call her "a psycho". That was a eureka moment for me... a definite eye opener. I thought about it for a couple of weeks then bought some books on psychopathy. I don't think she is a psychopath. After many years of informal research, I am confident that she has multiple personality disorder, which include narcissism and Munchausen Syndrome by proxy.
My ex-wife recently had a mastectomy and is undergoing chemotherapy. With tears of self-pity in her eyes she told me what a wonderful life she'd had.
I had known and loved my wife for ten years before we married. She is the love of my life. Had I known the monster she is, I would never have married her. Had I understood the monster she is, I may have been able to manipulate and control her behaviour to prevent some of the damage she has done to those whom she professes to love so much.
Mad..poor children and poor you.
This is hard to take and you have no one beside you.
If you bring her to court you could safe your children's life's.
Try it. This could be your last chance and don't be afraid. Pray and pray to God.💐
So, they have a fair amount of control over everyone, not just their children??
I survived Munchausen Syndrome as a child. My mother did the same, made me and everyone else think I was sick... and dying too of course. No doctor could figure out what it was but they said it was some form of skin cancer, I had test after test done and of course, she was always there. I even got a make a wish too when I was 11 and grew used to the idea I would die. A year later the courts removed me from her house, and in 2 months I suddenly got better after 3 years or more of being so sick. I had so many tests done and still have the scars. To this day, I've never had a problem related to the skin disorder I had as a kid since social services took me away. It was really difficult getting through this experience. The worst was as he said, I loved my mother and I thought she was trying to help me. But now over 10 years later I can't help but realize that it had to be her. I think it was fine in the end because I was lucky because I was taken away when I was so young and went to good parents. But now because of everything I decided to do what I always wanted and as a kid, my lifelong dream was to travel and help other kids like me. So now I'm traveling Asia. I really appreciate shows like this because It makes me realize that I'm not alone and this stuff happens
When I was a child my father was away for extended times on business. When I was alone with my mother, she would smoke in the house to induce asthma in me, and then take me to the hospital and act like a damsel in distress. She did this to both manipulate my father into coming home, and to get the attention she so craved. Later on in my adult life a strange incident occured. Our cat had some strange abrasions on its side, like someone had drug their finger nails into its sides. My mother put on this overly-dramatic display of sorrow that she had to put the cat to sleep at the vet, and made sure to perform the tearful act in front of everyone in the house.
+Jacob Stromburg, how did you break free from this abuse? How are you now? Did you get help?
Sick... Attention is the primary driver for these people.
Jacob Stromburg I’m so very sorry that you had to go through this. It breaks my heart. I’m currently scouring the net as I work with children but it’s the ones that are “closer to home” to me that I think are being abused. These kids are constantly in hospital for “wheezing” or an “attack they just had” ambulances are called and everything.....the children now have a fixation with the hospital. My own child? She has bleeding on the brain.last time she went to the ER? Was 6 years ago! These kids that are constantly at the hospital??? They’ve NEVER been sick while staying with us, even for extended times. When they’re with their carer
? It’s a weekly occurrence.
That's so fucked :/
It's it bad of me that I feel worse for the cat?
When i was a kid like around 6 or 7 my mom convinced a psychiatrist i was bipolar and schizophrenic and had them put me on seroquel and other sedative medications so anytime i cried or did anything a normal kid would do my mom would feed me pills and i would sleep for days. My whole life i was constantly seeing Drs and on countless amounts of drugs. By the time i was in 6th grade i was in court for missing so much school and even had a truancy officer but little did they know i was home asleep everyday til atleast 2pm cause i was so drugged. My mom always had me in and out of psych wards and facilities around the country just so she could get more sympathy and pity from her friends. I dont think that there is a more parasitic relationship then having a parent with munchausen by proxy.
Wow. What a terrible experience... thank you so much for sharing.
I wish you and everyone that you love all the best and brightest in the future.
So sorry you had to endure that insanity. Hope you are doing well now..
Isadora Obsidian damn i had the exact same situation happen. mom told everyone i was bipolar and all this other shit i know how ducked up it is
These mothers should be in a high security psych ward for the rest of their lives.
My daughter's father does this. She is 2. She always gets sick at his home. He constantly tries to set her up with appointments to doctors, even plastic surgeons. It's insane
My mother drugged me with injections that gave me mini heart attacks and brain damage when I was around 5 to 8. My father was a narcissist and abused me physically and emotionally, and sexually assaulted me several times and would touch me inappropriately through out my childhood when giving me showers.
My mother had to feed her own supply of attention by giving me medicine from doctors, but my dad was the 'protector'. He didn't want me sick or disabled because he knew that I wouldn't be able to supply HIM. There was no escape for me at the moment... Both my parents were abusing me this way.
Oh my God!!! 😑😪
Please find help, from a teacher or some one you trust, or even a hotline, just please, this so disturbing.
I'm aware of a couple other things that may lead to the diagnosis as well. Parents with Munchausen by Proxy don't want current and former doctors or nurses talking to each other 'cause they could blow their cover. Also, if a parent insists on bringing food from home to a hospitalized child who is recovering and suddenly feels sick again on more than one occasion, chances are the parent is messing with the food they're bringing in order to keep the child sick.
I know a woman who has MBP.....She was making her daughter ill. She put herself over the doctors and would argue with them when they did not agree with what she was reporting. She was given a van donated by a church and the church was helping to pay her bills. She would say, in front of her child, that she could not work because her child needed 24 hours care. There is more to the story; however, when the child turned 18, she moved out of the house and has never been sick since she left. After her daughter left, the mother started focusing about her own health issues. All she would talk about is how bad her back was and use pain meds. It was all attention seeking behaviors. When her doctor told her he wanted her to see a mental healthcare professional she became very angry, calling the dr. a POS. The doctor told her that she presented with pain med seek behaviors. This made her angry. She always puts herself over those who have medical degrees, whereas she doesn't hold a medical degree. She worked in a doctors office, but had not formal medical training. This is not only a form of child abuse, but I see it as a mental illness.
Rhonda Gregory mental illness it is 💯 %!
Thats the most sick thing I have heard in some time.
To these kind of abusive woman,
Serve them justice ....
My mother was a pharmacy assistant. She had access to many drugs. From the age of 5 I could swollow a handful of pills in one go. When I was actually chroically sick (whooping cough) she wouldn't take me to get medical care. I ended up braking a rib cage from too much coughing and she wouldn't allow me to take pain killers. I was constantly missing school for dotors appointments for my knees. I had at least 10 MRIs and she wanted me to have surgery. At this point I was 13 and refused her wishes which made her mad. I recently looked back at all my MRI scans and they all came back clear but some how she had convinced the dotors I needed surgery.
With my experience, the most dangerous form of this abuse is the psychological version of it which is sadly where my mothers is, because they use mind games to poison people against the child, in this case me, even though im an adult... There have been times when my mother has spread lies about me to my closest friends and painted them against me, she will never change, and i dont think that my father will either.
Thank you for making such an informative video. What a nightmare you and your son have endured. I hope that it's over!
Getting them to change is like convincing a dog to stop chasing cars.
Ian Jensen My (adoptive) mom is the same way. So sorry u have to go thru it too. It's so isolating. It makes u feel like the only one, and no one believes it.
My mother and father also. I feel so bad for you bc its very difficult to explain to ppl. Everyone loves my mother so if i say anything bad about her, im afraid im the one who looks like the bad guy.
i agree, the psychological version of this abuse is detrimental and often psysical and psychological version go hand in hand. I'm so happy for the few people that see through it. id like to put it in the past and have a real relationship with my mom but how would i ever be able to trust again?
I appreciate your video! I am so sorry that you've experienced this! My husband's eldest sister induced illness into our entire family. I am now a professional in the mental health and legal community, seeking to bring attention to these perpetrators. They lurk in churches, families, and can be neighbors. They morph their behaviors into "new" proxies, in order to maintain control, torturing the victim sadistically for decades.
Pretty ballsy. The police might put you in jail if it's not.
So true, they do this abuse right under the noses of everyone, including the "professionals." Shame on the medical community.
I am so glad you are doing this !Like you say they are sadistically torturing their victims for years -which they do !!!!My mother abused me for 40 years and made me having had no own Kids. Worst thing she was teasing me with it -it was like living in hell because noone ever believed me.She said guess who will die childess it is you uuuu !And when the phone rang -she acted normal havin fun with her so called friends. Noone who can afford stays with such a mother - I had to back then !On the phone she told them I am so loud and noisy and always wanna fight.She did this over 37 years long -always talking about me and my sickness -but I never was sick.I am sitting here with nothing - I lost everything even my healtcare insurance and my Pension. All taken away - I even own furniture anymore -and my familiy said so sorry -if you only had come earlier-but it is too late, now everyone is for themselves ! But, good luck !The worst is I have to deal with her on a regular basis-and I am weak and exhausted - I cannot forgive since I had to let go my dream of being an orchester musician - which I had studied and always wanted to be.Sure I could do now - but I want two Kids - and I am not Young anymore.I am a very sad -and feelling like a child.But I have to try again - I could learn a lot about life the last years and maybethis time I can make it -if only I wouldnt be this homesick -I miss my Family like hell.......my hope is to see my father before he dies or I am losing my Soulfor so sad I am about not seeing him for such a log time.And my Grandmother missing her.But what else shall I do - I do all I can I am dicsiplined and at the same tim e having some me- times....Sorry,was talking way too much perhaps-but it just came out...Wishing a good evening to all of you ! Take care !
I was a victim of this by my mother, diagnosed as such by a therapist I knew from the time I was 12-18. I can't go into the whole story because it's just too much, but in my case, my mother opened 11 credit cards in my name when I was 16. I tried every avenue for help and the biggest problem I believe is that adults in the medical and mental health field are just overall very selfish people who don't know what they're doing. They won't believe children who are crying out to be saved, even though there is plenty that can be done even if you can't remove the child from the home immediately. For one, you can visit with them and educate them on what is happening, what it means, and help them understand the importance of being wise about decision making involving their future. This means college or career training asap. Emancipation. Emotional well-being and social responsibility. Also, if you suspect a child is subject to a Muncher, you should immediately find an ethical way to educate the child on how to protect themselves from parental identity theft. There's too much help available to think only of removing the youth from the situation if they have no where safe to go.
Munchers need you to be vulnerable, and if you grow up into an adult with a healthy mind, you are worthless to them. But since they can't afford to lose you for the attention and financial benefit they are getting, they'll do things like force you to undergo therapy with mental health therapists and psychologists while abusing and blackmailing you at home privately in the hopes you will become permanently disabled so they can get disability money on your behalf. My mother did all the talking. When I denied symptoms, the "professionals" didn't believe me until I was 16-18, but by then the damage had been done to my record, I was an identity theft victim, and so much else was ruined for me. Munchausens is severe child abuse and any professional is obligated to report it to authorities who will discipline the parent.
As a 26 year old who has been working since I was 17, I understand that to the therapists, I was nothing more than a statistic in their day-to-day drudgery. They were tired every day. Most were highly overweight and had poor listening comprehension and conversation skills, which is why they wouldn't get a real job instead of prescribing me medication for symptoms I wasn't having and trying to make me open up about sexual abuse my mother claimed my dad did to me and my brothers after my parents divorced, but he NEVER committed (my mom fabricated these things for money and attention from her parents and in court, which if you can imagine how this impacted my relationship with my father)
Sadly for me, my therapist finally documented the Munchausens by proxy but never reported it because by the time she documented it, I was already 18 and supposed to be ready to move out and face the world, right? Even though I confided in her about the identity theft in session years prior, she didn't document that, only told me to close the cards. (Most likely if she had, she'd have been responsible for reporting that too and legally liable especially with the documented munchausens by proxy. Ooh, so much work!) How do you do this when you are living under your abuser's roof at risk of harm and being sent to a mental hospital on account of made-up information, which she did several times? And your entire family has isolated from your abuser, and you by proxy, because your abuser is intolerable, they don't want drama, and you as the child were never their responsibility?
OMG !!! this has been my childhood ! constant therapy she even sent me to a psych ward for as long as 3 months !! she exacerbated the symptoms of my depression and anxiety when she’s the one who was causing it the whole time. i think the psychological and mental illness form is the worst and the rarest cases
Thank you for the courage to share. I began to cry by the 4th minute into video. I have background in medical work in hospital emergency rooms, in & out surgery rooms, pediatric recovery rooms but did not have exposure to this criminal torture induced to children no matter when it starts or at what age. Until I listened to your experience I was overwhelmed watching other videos.
So thank you & I hope you are blessed with a happy life.
thank you, Janie! -John
Many doctors have MSbP/NPD too. We absolutely _must_ record patient visits to clinics.
Absolutely!! And these are the worst evil-doers, and nobody even thinks of questioning them.
Agree. This or they are worthless fucking idiots.
Is there more info about this? This is the first time I hear about this topic, this is so frightening
@흙수저의반란 yeah, and sometimes they're just some sadistic little creeps too
To be technical, MbP is now known as Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another according to the American Psychiatric Disorder and DSM-5. It is technically not a form of child abuse *by definition* in that victims of MbP can be of any age. *In most cases*, MbP is a form of child abuse considering the victims in many documented cases are children. Personally, I don't like that APA changed the name; it's just an unnecessary longer way of saying MbP. And granted that many of the victims of MbP are children, I would consider that it is a form of child abuse.
Thank you, you're 100% correct on all points. I do think "Munchausen" will stick around as a way us "non-professionals" can label it, however. 3 syllables versus 12!
My mom was just recently charged with 12 years of child abuse because of this so, I find it quite rediculous that they don't categorize it as such when so many people have been.
In the United States each state has their own definition of Munchausen by Proxy to conveniently fit how one's Department of Human Services and Children & Family laws are described. Just a noun or verb once it is translated in the court system changes the seriousness of a case reported. And in the meantime another dependent child suffers on-going harm, and into years until the age of 18 years of age arrives and before than so much damage has prevented a child from focusing on just being a kid and nothing resolved to ensure the children were provided with every opportunity to prepare for their independence. Munchausen by Proxy can be called and changed what the state system wants at a whim it's still the same destructive behaviors that create and cause tremendous suffrage.
when I was 5 I was diagnosed with Hypogammaglobulinemia....yea. "Hypogammaglobulinemia is an immune disorder characterized by a reduction in all types of gamma globulins, including antibodies that help fight infection. It may be congenital (present at birth), related to medication; it may be due to a kidney or gastrointestinal condition, cancer or severe burns." is what google says cause I'm tired of explaining I don't develop T-Cells so I get sinus infection after sinus infection , I've had bronchitis a and double pneumonia more times than I can count. for this I had to endure gamma infusions EVERY 3 WEEKS for 10 GODDAMN YEARS! my mom is a medical assistant (oh how convenient) she is always stressed and the quickest to panic . I wake up suffocating every day gasping for air... now convinced its from STRESS not from asthma. I am now 24 , disabled and taking care of her now that she had breast cancer and I was the only one there for her literally sleeping 3 hours a night with my eyes open for months after her surgery's and we scream at each other now that I have to take care of a 53 year old child and my reason for existence 13 year old little sister that I have to convince it isn't her fault when she gets screamed at and I have to be there ...cause no one was there for me when she did it to me as a kid. I don't know why I'm even writing this. maybe because I'm finding the reasons I debate suicide every day... it was me that got her off of meds that the doctors said she would have died on the table (seroquil a sleeping med and celexa anti depresant) . my life is a shit show. I've tried my best and I am only alive to take care of my little sister. anyone who has dealt with this...try and get help. even if it fails again and again you need to learn how REAL HELP actually works...because I have no idea to be honest
Xell Xex You are an amazing person to be a guardian angel to your sister, and to survive all that you have gone through, and are still going through. Please don't give up!
There's a youtube channel: "C. Meagan Michael" run by a survivor of a MBP abuse. it has videos like: "My Mother Has Munchausen By Proxy... Emotional Incest Survivor to Thriver" In the video she talks about a couple facebook communities "breaking free from toxic people" and "breaking free from narcissistic abuse," which are public pages. if you like the page and message the admins, they can let you into a private group. maybe they could direct you to further support, or be supportive to you as well?
Xell Xex You’re taking care of the woman who abused you? That has to change if you’re ever going to recover fully
Leave the mom and take the kid
Know your stressors check in with yourself do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy. Regulate emotions tolerate distress stay in your own business to live a life worth living or die. Sorry but believe me when I say just do it now or forever hold your peace.
For 17 years my mom took me to therapist after therapist and each one would tell me why my mom was making it seem like i was mentally handicapped when i wasn’t and when each one called her out for this she moved on to the next therapist leaving no trace of the past. Like couldn’t remember their name or couldn’t recall of their occupation. Now I’m 26 and my rest of the family has caught on to what she has been doing and I’ve already been scarred by being treated and restricted from living a life i could’ve had. I’ve been on multiple prescriptions to “try and help me out” but it made me sick.
I'm pretty sure my mother has this to some extent. Though I'm lucky it was not to the extent of many of the other stories here. I moved across the state to get rid of her and have gone no contact. I had panic attacks as a teenager, while I was panicking, I would be scared that I was dying, would have a seizure, throw up, etc. Eventually I'd calm down and be fine. She would tell the doctor what I'd said while panicking as if it was real and start crying. She wouldn't let me see the doctor alone, she talked for me all the time. We doctor hopped everytime they didn't "find it". I dropped out of school from the panic attacks and depression and my mom told me she was happy because now I was "safe". She'd lied to me so many times and I believed her. She'd cry to me about how I shouldn't "lie" to doctors and underplay my symptoms. /I must really be sick and not realize it./ Whenever I'd see a counselor, she would book an appointment and cry about how I was abusive and cruel to her. To family too. I'd randomly get "get well soon" cards from her co-workers. Family members would call me and ask why I was being so mean to her. She's the most "sweet" Catholic woman everyone thinks.
Eventually I got a good counselor. One day I looked her in the face and told her "I'm not sick."
The next morning she had "Creepy crawly like bugs crawling all over" her symptoms, and began seeing all those doctors herself.
I left and I have not seen or talked to her since 2012.
chriserony wow!! What an evil woman. Thank you for sharing this heartbreaking story-
My Grandmother did this to my brother. I didn’t understand it then because I was little but I always felt strange about the situation. She would pretend like my little brother had extreme seizures. I was with him all day every day and not once did he have a seizure. Then it would be time to go to the dr and she would fill him up with topamax because she knew they would draw blood. She did it so everyone would feel sorry for her and also for financial gain. I can’t go into extreme detail but she did this to my mom as well. It is my belief that my grandmas mom did it to her children as well and that’s where this stems from.
I hope you and your family are living a beautiful life and that your happy.
Absolutely. The most painful part about MsBP is that it's usually passed on and learned from because the abusers will cut you off from the world and teach you this is the way things are supposed to be. My mom got it from her mother and her mother got it from my great grandma. I was lucky enough to be taken by CPS, cutting off this vicious cycle and relearning that I was not sick to begin with.
Sounds like malingering not munchausen by proxy.
@@seulgisbaguette1543 I have come to think of this disease as a family/group disorder and a range of clustered traits and motivations (where self-deception meets other-deception meets money/status scams!)
I was recently diagnosed with this, I am 36 years old and I was down to 69 pounds several years ago. This was mistaken for anorexia before. Now that I recognize the symptoms I can see the repeated behavior and I was finally able to stop vomiting after years of uncontrollable vomiting. Now I'm up to 90 pounds but it's not just my mother. I have a few family members who do this. I am still living with her and trying to get my own apartment. I have had to get help from emergency services just to wind up back in the same house with her. But now that I was diagnosed I won't let them trick me into believing that I'm sick. I have to stay strong to survive and I might have to go to a homeless shelter. But at least I'm not trapped in a hospital vomiting myself to death now.
amanda mashburn . yes homeless shelter! go no contact, save yourself!!!
Yeah, get away from her.
My mother was the daughter of two doctors, she made me sick and went to Doctors and hospitals all the time with me. When I was sick later on in hospital, always since the age of 14 she was delighted and did not even visit.
My ex was able to get a nurse friend of hers to write a fabricated report of my daughter having PTSD. This "evidence" killed me in court. I couldn't stand watching my daughter constantly being taken to the clinics for her phantom conditions. The worse was the blood draws. I ultimately disengaged altogether. I wish these videos were around 7 years ago. Great job and thank-you.
Thanks, Dave. Please reach you and get back into her life, even if it's just a short text/email/letter.
Thank you so much for the informational video. Just finished watching the documentary on Gypsy Rose Blanchard and had to know more about her mom’s diagnosis. Quite terrible. I’m sorry you went through this.
I had to deal with it as a teen even younger. I was force to take medicines for an aggressive nature that was coming out of the abuse. After 5 years old I suspected my food was being spiked with stuff that I was allergic to. I am allergic to phosphates, aluminum and other heavy metals and started having seizures at 12-17 years of age. I was only able to stop the abuse at 27 years old. I had been on three different mood stabilizing medications from 17-21 years old because my ex mom decided I was a risk to her safety. I was two different people with my friends I was calm and loving person and with my mom I was scared and always sick.
Unbelievably sick... thank you for sharing-
I'm so sorry it took you to confront the ugly maltreatment. Be happy and fine the good things in life that will make your days joyous!
I work with a covert narc at my job. She has mentioned on a number of occasions that her son has a rare autoimmune disorder. Shes constantly taking time off from work to tend to his supposed disease and all these doctor appointments. At first I felt bad, I used to think perhaps she acts the way she does because she was hit hard in life. But now the more I come to think of it, I'm strongly beginning to suspect shes a muncher. I've seen how manipulating, cunning, deceptive, and apathetic she can be to other workers and myself. I cant imagine that shed actually be "caring" for her son...
Paul Watso correct.
I have recently reported a 22yo mother who I know is harming her two children, (m3 and f2), to a local safeguarding unit, the police and the children’s doctor.
I was thrown out of my home by this children’s own mum, my (now) ex partner. I’m now officially homeless.
I don’t know whether I will hear any results, but I have reported it all the same.
I know this may sound a bit weird in that I'm a 30 year old but I am currently experiencing this with my mom. As soon as I started packed boxes in preparation to move out of her messy household I got right after that. I have ulcerative colitis and she bought some organic cow's milk that got me acutely sick last year that I had to be admitted to the hospital. She tried to brainwash me by insinuating that she was the ONLY ONE who would be there for me whenever I got sick. This year I tell her that vinegar is irritating to my colon cu of the UC then she goes from purposely putting vinegar in both veggies and fish (targeting my vegan diet) until one day she adds a shitload of balsamic vinegar in RICE to mess me up. I know she put it in rice cuz that's the only food I ate of what she made plus I check the level of the balsamic vinegar and ALOT of it was missing. I dont tell her im sick but she notices then calls up many people to email and call me claiming that "I'm not taking care of myself and she thought I gave up on myself"...what a psychotic LOSER! Thank God I have a neighbor who is a physician's assistant with a degree in Psychology and she told me that she saw something was off about my mom. Come to find out my mom (a nurse) is a borderline personality covert narcissist with muchausen as my neighbor stated. I'm 30 now trying to get my life in order but my mom is trying to ruin me with food. Im tempted to file a police report on her cuz this is a CRIME! My neighbor tells me that she's doing all this to me cuz she doesnt wanna be alone. My mother has become manipulative between last year and this year simply cuz I started packing my boxes. Her house is messy with 5 pitbulls hoarded in it! This woman doesnt realize that she can get arrested for both munchausen and for animal abuse! In the meantime I'm saving so I can move out...I can't take it anymore!
Hi, I am 40 years old undergoing the same.She is putting milk and cream into my food but, I have a bad colon since she was giving me laxatives when I was young.Her newset thing is that I am not allowed to do the laundry.I have to spend Money and run away.In my case she is a devil because she often smirks guess who will end up childless !!!you uuuuu !I am not sure if my is a Psychopath but she was doctorshopping all my life !!!I was a pretty and cheeful child -now I am full of sadness and fear about a possible future !The neighbourhood is stupid like fuck or they are all witches ! They do believe her still !!!!My sister has a son and a husband and has a restraining order. I dont. And one policeman told me they only care for families and not for single persons. Have do to it alone ! Since I never could go out and have a Job -I learned about the world about the of Age of 36 !I could partly flee-but not wholly flee since I live in a nazi town- and the rule is no matter what one man or woman has done to you -as long you have reached the 36 year of live no help is offered anymore !North town nazi law in Hamburg Germany to work against overgrow of population.Germans are wichsers !If youwill ever meet one just greet them-say Hi you Wichser -have a good day !LOL.....sorry, the last sentence I made to laugh a bit about the german shitties...Germans are sooo weak - I cannot believe it .....poor me....even my sister does not want to help me out she simply said now we are all singlefighters-sorry wishing you all the luck in the world to leave mother-hope you get help !!!WTF !!!!???!!
If my mom was like that I'd probably kill her
Love Goddess - omg! How terrible for you! I hope you are away from her now.& doing well.
@Merci Beaucoup you are so right! I hope your life is going better for you now.
Thanks for sharing... she is sick :/
My wife... soon to be ex has this. It has put me into deep debt due to the Dr shopping and prescriptions, she is also cheating on me while I'm at work and now using the kids against me and making my own kids scared to talk to me. I am stuck in the perfect storm and it is so hard to get out of it.
dude, im so sorry to hear that. That fucking blows brother. goodluck
I know someone besides my own parents who may be this way. She wouldn't let her daughter have a boyfriend or do well at work and earlier kept her out of school to have a reason to collect from the government. The child grew up and lost her independance from her mother and stopped believing in herself to add government support to her mother's government check. Her mother just could not be happy for her. This almost happened to me on the same level, but I didn't collect disability until I was liberated from the parent that was trying to make me sick. She used to take my welfare check by more than one third for the rent, in any case. But its not just about money. Its for the power & attention. Their way of hiding, feeling their glory and practicing sadism.
My mother was this way. I have two brothers, and she would take us many different doctors until something was diagnosed. When my older brother was 10, she had him diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome, my younger brother was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, and when I was about 10, I had to go to specialists and different hospitals for some mystery stomach pain, and migraine headaches. When I was 14 she went to different psychiatrists and had me diagnosed as schizophrenic because I said I thought the kids at school were talking badly about me. I was put on some very heavy medication. She was only happy when she was fighting one of our “conditions”, and bragged about the different treatments and alternative treatments she was trying. She abandoned the family when I was 16, and that saved me. I’m 40 now, and as an adult (or after the age of 16) I do not have schizophrenia, or any stomach issues, my brothers do not have Tourette syndrome or fibromyalgia.
One time before the schizophrenia diagnosis, I remember a psychiatrist telling my mom that he can’t help me, because she is the one who needs help. My mom flipped out on the doctor and just continued doctor shopping.
There was a lot of enmeshment, and I wasn’t allowed to have disagree with my mother or have opinions different from hers. She was physically abusive in that she hit/choke/kick/ pull out my hair. She was verbally abusive as abusive to my father.
My mother’s moods were unpredictable, and I always felt as if I were waking on eggshells. The only time her abuse stopped is if I was very sick. In order to survive in the family, I just went along with whatever she said and pretended to have the symptoms that she wanted me to have.
My mother had a rough childhood herself, and she didn’t talk about it much, but I do remover her telling me she had been abused and that her father had thrown her down a staircase, breaking her tailbone. I think people with this disorder were abused children themselves.
I’ve tried to figure out what benefit she received from this. I don’t think she wanted attention from the doctors.
I had no clue this was a real thing and this disturbing.
I’ve been finding, parents that do this to their children have a borderline personality disorder.
My grandkids are being subjected to this, but even worst, their being blamed for everything that happens in moms life. She makes false statements towards dad to have him put in prison & other boyfriends. She hits these small children in face & head. Black eye -bruises, tells them they family doesn’t love them. I’m sick to my stomach, Cys, cops & judges defend this perpetrator.
I just found out in court last week my mother has a severe form of this along with antisocial personality disorder. Growing up my sister & I thought our life was normal because we were so isolated, my sister refused to speak until the age of 6 and we always had to switch school every year until we were denied school altogether. My mother kept making us have unnecessary surgeries up until I was 31 years old only because I’m terrified of her. When my mother attempted to steal my only son from me through lies and the court system it just came to light to everyone present in court exactly how sick she really is.
I am 41 and I believe that my mother has Munchasen by Proxy b/c:
1. She is a Nurse
2. She only visits me when I’m locked up in the hospital.
3. She has always been cold, callus, manipulative, cunning, calculatived and lacked empathy towards me.; She is the best actress I know.
4. She moved me away from her side of the family to isolated and raise me without any interference from family that knows her the best.
5. She treated me more like a slave than a son, in her new family...
I thank God I decided to get professional help and to keep God first or I don’t know where I would be right now. I still have tough road ahead b/c I have lost my family and along the way b/c of my mom and I am worried about ending up homeless.
I am the alienated parent and I suspect my ex has this because she's constantly being xrayed from playing dangerous sport since she was 3. Multiple doctors and hospitals. Without me knowing. Because I complained. One doctor said no more and I put my foot down and I got alienated when she was 15. It's been over a year now. It's devastating. Thank you for your videos!
The only way, that i see actually effectively coping, is getting restraining orders against my mother, father, grandfather, grandfathers girlfriend, brother, and moving so far away from them that they literally don't know where i am, but for me personally that is difficult, because, i have no means to do this, no car, no source of income and wrap sheet that will not allow me to travel.
I'm so sorry, Ian. What did they do to you? If you don't mind sharing-
my mother would hospatilize me so I couldnt go to schoo.l my grandfather hospitilized me recently so i couldnt go to work. they have painted many proffessionals out into thinking i am sick and are super close with them exactly how the guy said. they are in close with the proffessionals so that when i do reach out to them they already have a connection with them.
Brainwashing Children my mother even made me do a documentary with stephen fry where she had all our meds and everything in the documentary and she would talk about how sick i was and how i can control myself even though i can without meds. this guys totally right the munchausens parents are afraid of their kids doing well without them drugging them and making them not competant. these people are extremely dangerous.
also beat me spit on me calls me rotten tooth faggot bitch etc. my family members are on the psy spectrum of it. so they will manipulate mental health proffesionals police the people at mental hospitals, therapists etc all against me. my mother recently had me put in jail amd charged with terorist threat and my grandfather tried to get me to lose my job which was enabling me to pay the bail for the charges my mother fabricated. I need restraining orders against these people i dont feel safe.
Brainwashing Children i apoligize if my answers are scattered i just got out of the hospital my mother tried to have me put in again!!
I believe my ex and Mother of my oldest is this way. When we were married and hadn't had children yet. She would complain about being sick constantly. We would be in the emergency room at least once a week and sometimes more. At the time, I was active duty military and we would go to the base hospital. They would tell her there was nothing wrong and refused to write a script for her. She would blow up at the Docs who were officers. I was junior enlisted! I couldn't tell you how many times I was in front of my CO for her behavior towards them. Fast forward to being parents, because our child would cry at night, something was wrong with him. She refused to bath him, or allow me to because it will "dry out his skin", allergies ment he has asthma or bronchitis or pneumonia. A doc diagnosis of allergies would result in further outbursts and attacks. Etc.... It was exhausting. I started sleeping in the extra bedroom with him in his crib just so I could handle taking care of him at night. It was easier than dealing with her explosions. Post divorce...Our child would be sick at her house, vomiting/diarrhea, but at my house he was perfectly fine. I would report that to her and it would send her of the handle. How horrible of a father must be to not pay attention to our child being sick! Eventually, he would be sick the day I pick him up but by the second day he recovered and was perfectly fine again. The day he goes back to moms....sick again! She would send him to me with bottles of rx or state she made a Dr appointment for him. She would tell me while I was at work and 30 min before to assure I couldn't make it. I went to his Dr office only to find out they hadn't seen him. Turns out, his regular Dr was on to her so she was taking him to the doc-in-the-box/ urgent care clinics. (Dr shopping) eventually his scripts she would send in baggies so I would have enough for his time with me and she would keep the original bottle. I found out later, his rx were actually old and written for someone else, her, her new husband, parents etc. She was self medicating him. I was more than suspicious at this point but couldn't prove anything and his reg Dr would act like stuff like that only happens in lifetime movies. Final straw for me was that he was sick again the day I picked him up. I asked him not to flush and I needed to see it. The toilet was full of blood. He was given a referral to a specialist where he was diagnosed with ulcerative Colitis, UC. The Dr said that it didn't display exactly like UC, missing symptoms and signs, but wanted to treat for UC. There is no cure for UC. At his original appointment following the discovery of the blood I demanded they do a toxicology. Again they acted like "lifetime movie" but agreed. When the results came back, they said negative. I was shocked as I was sure his mom was causing this. I asked what the test would detect. That's when I found out they only gave him a simple drug screen that any of us would take for employment. I asked if it would detect poisons and they said no but at least this time, the look on their face was that of "oh shit!" Fast forward to between 1 to 2 years worth of UC treatment and a second colonoscopy. He is miraculously cured. It took me calling her out for and putting the fear of god in her before it stopped. She still pushes that he has some crazy incurable disease when he has allergies or a mosquito bite but it hasn't gotten as bad as before the UC. We all just roll our eye's at her now including him. He's old enough now to recognise and resist her insistance.
They also use this as an alienation tool. Because if you work, you may not be able to attend every appointment they set up, or they may be using those appointments to lash out at you. Anytime you don't go, they will try to book more appointments without your knowledge or claim they have sole legal decision making about the care of child. Always get medical records asap, and document the times they exclude you from appointments
My ex-spouse has this syndrome, is quite awful the impact that it is having on my children.
I am facing nowdays such problem with my mother in law. Nowadays i am separated from my wife, my mother in law has the Syndrome and she has separated me from her daughter, to get our children so as to abuse them. Our children are twin boys 4,5 y.o and i am trying for almost 2 years now to solve the problem through the prosecutors. My wife is under her control, she is brainwashing her and she is victim of her mother and still cannot believe me, that her mother is mentally sick and dangerous for our kids. Mother in law used pesticides while bathing one of my boys το the surface of the childhood skin and then used heavy metals in her cookery, i made chemical examinations oh her food products. Father in law lost one of his kidney and the brother of my mother in law, had to deal with 2 form of cancers!!
O my goodness you must have felt like you were in a living hell nightmare. I am just so sorry your boy had to endure this. I truly hope your family is doing well and that you all have a lovely life and bright future.
I just found your channel through a parental alienation on FB I’m in where you mentioned you sued your judge, I am curious if this MBP can also be something the other parent does to gain grounds and paint the other parent as medically neglectful etc
I am a victim of this I was hospitalized not because of medical but my mom told dr. I had psychology problems since I was about 1o or 11 i was diagnosed with just about everything. This ruined my childhood. Nobody ever could talk to me cuz SHE had to be present when anyone would talk to me. I was not aloud to talk to anyone dr. Social workers without HER supervision.
I believe my mother has Munchhausen by proxy.
She has convinced my sister she has dysautonomia and ehlers danlos and POTS. They have seen more doctors than i can count and "nobody knows about her rare illness" yet dont go to the dysautonomia specialist because it cost too much and isn't covered by insurance. My sister is now 22 and is mentally blocked from having a life as she also changed schools EVERY year or more and told she will just get a migraine or sick and need to come home. This has been ongoing for 10 years that i can recall but there is nothing i can do. The doctors "dont know anything", the teachers never did either, its all their fault so they were always moving/looking for a new DR.
Mother is a program coordinator for special needs adults (falls inline with a nurse)
my mother was like this. not medical though, mental health, and the courts. she would take me to different counselors and therapists and go in by herself first for like 20 min, then when i went in the therapist wouldnt listen to a thing i had to say and they would tell me this or that was wrong with me. she would have all of our family and friends believe something was wrong with me..... until i was around them without my mother, then they would start to see that all this made up behavior issues didnt exist. my grand mother was the main one to support me through this and understood how messed up my mother was. from this abuse i eventually started acting out toward my mother, then she discovered the juvenile court system, and the first few times i deserved to be there, but she would lie and make things up so i would go to detention, then she would milk sympathy from family and friends. i ended up being locked up as a juvenile off and on for a total of about 3 and a half to 4 years from 13 till 18, 90 days here, 6 months there, 30 days her ect. one time in particular, i just got home from detention, she had me on meds, that i would take if she reminded me, i was 16. i came home from school and walked in and she was on the phone, handed me the phone, it was my probation officer, who started screaming at me about why i wasnt taking my meds. i told him i was taking them if she reminded me too, i just couldnt remember on my own (hell i was a kid) and i was taking them every time i was told too. he threatened to lock me up if she called again about my meds again, she got back on the phone thanked him, hung up, and gave me the evilest smile i ever got and said "time to take your meds." i was in a constant fear that she would just call the cops or my po to make something up, and she would. there were numerous times i would be sitting in my room, and nothing happened at all, great day, and the cops would show up cause she called them and she would tell them i did this or that, and it never happened. i got saved 1 time thanks to me actually having witnesses present, she called, said i was threatening and stuff, cops got there ready to arrest me, but people spoke up and told the cop that the stuff she she said never happened. being locked up constantly, i became violent to survive, i became a criminal as an adult, was institutionalized, served most of my 20's locked up (all my fault, i made those decisions myself) i've been out since 2010, own my house, work 3 jobs, married, wonderful life. my grand mother, my aunts on my dads side, other people eventually saw the truth. im 38, married and tried to have a relationship with my mother as an adult, but my wife has seen it with her own eyes even to this day she does this sick twisted stuff. it was hell growing up with a mother convincing everyone that something is wrong with you, having to prove to people it was all lies. the hardest part, is when you are a kid, no one is going to believe you that your own mother is making all this stuff up. hell my mother, after meeting my wife after we were together for 4 years, told her that i hear voices and see stuff that isnt there...... my wife knows me, lives with me, knows this isnt true, and she didnt for 1 second believe her. i finally had to make the choice to not have a mother, and i have no contact with her, she doesnt even exist to me, and my life is so much better for it.
1 more thing, i am deadly allergic to asprin. my mother came to visit me and my wife one time for a week or so, and all the Tylenol disappeared in the house (i have a big bottle of it in the house, its the only thing i can take, cant take ibu profin either, although it wont kill me, i still have a reaction to it) so i would have a head ache and my mother would say i'll get you something, and she would try and bring me asprin (i've known i was allergic since i was 13 and had to get rushed to the hospital after taking asprin 1 time while sick, she's the one that took me, so she knows it will kill me. throat swollen shut, couldnt breathe, it was pretty scary. ) so i would remind her that i cant take that and she would laugh and say, "oh, i forgot, sorry"........ she did this to me like 5 times or more in a 1 week period.
Wow, how sick and twisted to deliberately do this to kids. I'm surprised this is so common, as in these comments. Fortunately, not all mothers, or fathers, are like this. Many actually love their kids and want them to be healthy. Good luck to all who have suffered from this wicked abuse
What if the parents warped their own mind into truly believing their child is sick.
My dad is the essential care giver for my bed confined mother. What you are describing is exactly what my dad is doing to my mom. He is to the point where he is taking her off oxygen and creating situations where she is aspiration.
This is evil 😔 I get so mad to hear about how they abuse their child.😡 This is so sick and twisted. Horrific child abuse. My heart breakes for every child that has went through this type of abuse. 😥
I wounder if my mother had this as well? Bc she loved the attention she got from the doctors.
I just subscribed.I think everyone in the world needs to know about MSbP.
This sounds exactly what I went through with my adoptive mom
I've been staying at a ronald mcdonald house and i've seen a parent abuse her child like this by harming her child and starving it
Thank you for this vid. Have you find cases of kids diagnosed with Chrone's disease in your research? Thanks in advance.
none so far...
It makes me so mad because I have legitimate health issues and doctors won't take me seriously. Now I know why doctors won't believe. They've probably been manipulated a lot for meds and whatnot and see a lot of so-called "hypochondriac" type of people. Not only do they seek attention I think they are looking for their child to be the cash cow of the family through generous donations/charity.
I'm glad u helped your son off those pills,I was overmedicated for 20 years cause I have tourrettes. My mom doesn't have Munchausen but she's a nurse & wanted me on all those pills. The pills made me really sick so I quit taking them 3 years ago. It took me a few years to ween myself off of them. Do u have a video about children being overmidicated?
Thank you for explaining this horrible situation! This is unbelievably tragic! 🫢😳🤦♀️The Munchausen by proxy is terrible to dismiss. Yup, I’m closely listening to you & your specific description(s). Very very sad! 😔 😢
Huh, thanks mom, really appreciate the years of this bs.
Years in the hospital low chance of survival, I’m actually really healthy now. ;w;
So sorry to hear this. I really hope you heal in all aspects.
Thank you for your wisdom. It is a hard call. If it is considered child abuse, why not report it to police?
You can, but the child care services around the country don't know how to stop it. They, most of the time, don't even know what MbP is...
Personally, I think the parent needs psychological intervention, not to be punished. They are severely mentally ill.
@@brainwashingchildren There's a case I have reported of a little child who just turned 11 years old. I have reported that when I've intervened for the child to get her back on track raising a sudden failure of grades at school the guardian maternal grandmother does not take responsibility because she says, "me don't speak English." The last 3 generations consist of biological mother & father families in and out of the prison systems, I have watched this little child grow since she was 3 months old. About one year ago the maternal grandmother did not consult with pediatrician as to how to reveal to child that she (the maternal grandmother) is not the little girls mom as the child has been led to believe. Arrangement was made for little girl to meet birth mom with 3 younger siblings. And from there the birth mom wanted to have the 11 year old move into that home so the 11 year old can help with the "burdensome childcare." It did not work out but for one night. it was found out that the little big sister did not want to move. Then this upset turned the 11 year olds life upside down into disarray and grandma slips 1/2 of a sleeping pill at bedtime to prevent child from staying awake playing on her wi-fi tablet so child will fall asleep, so to avoid the struggle to get child to wake up to get ready for school. And the maternal grandmother starts the "stressful drama" and threatens the child she will be sent to "mom 2," if she's not a good girl. Less than 3 days prior I learned that this child and alleged 5th grade children are taking vegetable & produce plastic bags and putting the bags over their heads twisting
bags around the neck, exhaling breath & hold one's breath to fall asleep or take garments that can be ripped & torn, tied and hang themselves from a closet clothes rod. And on & on, and I have reported the extensive cruelness & harm to community police & department of children & families which is too overwhelming to type and nothing is done to help this little girl by those in the community. Weekends it is limited to what someone like me and other concerned witnesses can do or who to contact. I'm ready to begin going way out into the community system & to politicians. The maternal grandmother told me that she worked as a nurses aid. Is this little girls behaviors from Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy behaviors? Any brief & helpful feedback will be gratefully appreciated.
@@sweetluvgurl You're wrong. They need to be punished. 'People' like this can't be reasoned with , they view *everything* they are doing as necessary
What kind of doctor prescribes 19 meds???
It was multiple doctors, not one. Munchausen by Proxy mothers doctor shop, and when a doctor doesn't comply with their demands they move to the next doc.
Brainwashing Children I’m a medical student, and I’m seeing right now that most likely the best way that we can make a dent in this issue is to employ a universal electronic record keeping system for all hospitals, clinics, etc. A lot of hospitals use Epic for record-keeping, but not every hospital uses it. And if several hospitals in the area do use it, it’s not always linked together. So, this hole basically allows people to “doctor shop” if the parent doesn’t like what the original doctor had to say. If you allow a system where a doctor can’t access any of your medical records, then this kind of thing isn’t caught more often. It’s sad, because I bet there are so many cases of Munchausen by proxy that go unreported.
A genuine question here: is it considered MBP but with mental health? I dragged from point a to point Z, getting told I was crazy and needed to overtly medicated, my dad benefitted off my SSI check. it wasn't until I had to have a one on one with a state therapist for a qualification to continue it (I've turned 18 finally), and thats when I let them know. Yeah, I am depressed that my twin killed himself 5 years ago but I don't feel like I need to be on all these meds and I would love to get a job! A few months later, I was cut off SSI and I was legally able to stop my meds cuz I then ended up moving out right away.
I'm a survivor of MSbP and I do not believe it is always an evil intent. It's fucked up for sure and there's NEVER an excuse and... My mom suffered from immense personal trauma and mental illness. Some folx might be doing their best but so intensely living in fear that they don't know how to handle it. I did have some actual medical issues which I believe exacerbated her fears and she did not want to lose me and, yes, did feel like she needed to be needed in order to stay alive. She later died by suicide. It's not always so black and white. Mental illness needs more understanding and the judicial system needs MUCH more awareness around different kinds of abuse.
This is exactly what happened with my mom she was a receptionist at a doctors. The lucky thing for my mom was I actually ended up getting cancer and she loved it it was like mom had cancer not that I had cancer even though I was a teenager the doctors talked to her instead. And then when the doctors said I was 18 and she couldn’t be as involved she made herself sick with the same symptoms. So I thought she had what I had and it was terrifying but she was making herself sick and ended up sectioned. That hurt so much that she knew how much I wanted to be better and she was making herself go through the same things I was for no reason. She’s better now but anytime she’s sick and she gets attention for it it all starts up again and suddenly she’s got several illnesss and she talks very Whiny and moans in pain constantly.
Could it take the form of always wanted to get a child diagnosed with something? Like taking them to specialists for further tests all the time? Trying to get a child labeled with a mental disorder when it is the parent projecting on the child? I justed learned about this today... Also, could it apply to any person who is vulnerable like an elderly person? The person I am thinking of LOVE's taking elderly people to doctor's appointments and I have noticed she seems to quickly become their primary caretaker and suddenly helping with finances and everything... She also seems to "cut off" and isolate the elderly person. Even helping to find mistakes in taxes, etc that produce more refund... I think it is just to gain trust to more easily take advantage of them...
Thank you so much for this absolutely amazing video
Thank you :)
Get DYFS involved. They informed me, today, that munchausen is an actionable criteria
Will a child suffering from Munchhausen's by proxy eventually begin displaying symptoms of the faked illness without their parents directly causing them?
Plex Popper many do- but not all
This is what my mother has, i'm an adult, and learning to cope with the help of suicide prevention, my grandfather has it as well, and it seems like my father may be on the spectrum as well, although as I've gotten an understanding of him, his ailments seem to be more centered around substance abuse. I need help, i don't know how to protect myself from this. I tell her i'm not engaging, i don't talk to her, and have asked her to leave me alone. But i have nowhere to stay and a criminal record that prevents me from being able to rent, when i tried to expunge it, my mother fabricated more things slapped me and called me a bitch... Is there anybody i can speak to about ways to cope? I don't need more system involvement, and i actually feel that re-visiting issues in therapy would be counterproductive, i have recently left a substance abusing serial cheater to focus on me, but still am running into walls with my background check, and have no place to stay other then my mothers, who is VMSBP, my father has said to me, "I CANT HELP YOU" last time i talked to him. What do i do?
Thank you for this great video.
You're welcome, Daruna. Such a bizarre and evil form of child abuse.
Were you a victim of a MbP parent as a child? Please comment below your experience...
Look up Kayla Diegel. Her and her sister are affected by her mom who has Munchausen By Proxy. They were taken away by DCS/CPS in 2012, but their mother will stop at nothing, from spreading lies across the internet, to asking people to kidnap the kids for her. You can find their mom here on UA-cam and Facebook, under Melissa Diegel. Medical Kidnaping, etc.
Weren’t you able to save your son? How did you do it? Please tell me he’s not still with his mother.
I was a victim of this from my mom. She took me to a bunch of doctors with fake symptoms I’ve had spinal tabs, countless blood draws, mris ct scans you name it. She made me be in a wheelchair an entire summer when nothing was wrong with me. She would talk really loud so everyone could hear, claimed to serve in the military claims tours in Iraq and time on duty. She made my childhood a living hell. So many stories I can’t even begin to tell you in a comment
Sorry for the spelling and grammar errors I get so upset when I think about it. I live a very good life now with her out of mine, I have 2 daughters who have never ever experienced a moment of abuse and they never will. One of my sisters is really fucked up, just from witnessing what she did to me. For some reason she left my sisters alone
I was always told that I was Crazy. And been on meds. Then my "dear" mother was making my baby daughter go to the hospital which was quite often. That was when she was in her custody which I fought very hard to get her back. Now my question to you is, how can I let my prescriber know about this and slowly come off the meds (with his help of course)?
Omg! I’m so sorry about your son! I hope he isn’t affected too badly throughout life. It’s beyond me that anyone would want to give their child unneeded medications. I’m watching videos trying to grasp what goes through these parents minds but maybe I won’t be able to:0
Yeah it's hard for us to wrap our brains around their sick actions. He is thriving today, fortunately!
Brainwashing Children I can wrap my head around the attention part but the part I don’t understand is why they don’t start up a book club or join a parent group...it just seems like so much work to keep up a medical lie. It has to be some combination of attention, control as well as a thrill of duping people. You’d have a complete disregard for anyone but yourself so you’d essentially be a sociopath no?
I’m glad your son is doing well and that he has a good father looking out for his best interests.
I have first-hand experience of this as well.
It's completely perplexing, which is the point. I feel very strongly about this. In order to understand their motives one must understand this critical element of perplexion: they leverage the incomprehensibility as a ploy to cover themselves. This happens in other areas of abuse as well, sometimes they will fashion their abuse in such a way that it is rendered incomprehensible when reported or voiced - it's a preventative, built-in mechanism put into the mix that allows them to simultaneously abuse and cover their tracks. These individuals are so seasoned in their misconduct that they have become masters of their craft. These are the people who would have been in jail, weren't it for their life-long practise of evasiveness.
One example of another variation of incomprehensible abuse would be to take a seemingly caring action and then weaponising it, such as telling their child that they love them while in terms of behaviour they clearly don't. Every time they say, "I love you" to their child is then imbued with the implicit message that they don't, but only the child understands the subtext. This allows the abusive parent to continuously remind the child that they are not loved, while to outsiders this would appear to be the most loving parent ever.
If somebody claims to have been abused but it sounds outlandish, don't leap to conclusions. That is not a sufficient reason to dismiss the claim. Context is everything.
My mom did the opposite with me. I would have to be half dead before she got me medical care. I was given meds and sent to school with high fevers. But in front of Drs she was the best mom ever. There are more very sick things she did. I prefer to leave out Just trust me, please. Then get sympathy from anyone she could. She even convinced myself, family, Drs, etc that I suffered from mental illness starting around 14yrs until I woke up at 40. By then she had helped my ex take my daughters from me.
how common is this.... and what is the effect on other family members?
Very informative!!
How do you prove a parent is doing this? My boyfriends ex wife dose this to there 2 month old. She constatly says shes sick she comes here shes perfectly heatlhy. How do we prove this in court.
go to the health provider, share your concerns. I told mine "I'm worried that the next call I get from you is that my son is DEAD." Hold their feet to the fire. At one point I got a family doctor to see what I was talking about. Courts are feckless and have no idea what MSbP is... the only course we have is to confront the doctors directly
I hate to read all the stories because they are so sad! I think my cousin does with her child. Every time there are updates on Facebook about his illnesses, and how we should think about him. These can be from allergies to migraines. I took a social psychology course and marriage and family course in college and we discussed Munchausen. I know that it tends to happen more to the youngest child, of course not all the time. He has a MRI scheduled and for what nobody has a clue. He seems to be in and out of the doctor’s office. He is medicated on things he shouldn’t be medicated on. One of my girlfriends is a school psychiatrist in another state. She said she cannot form a basic diagnosis without speaking to the family, but that definitely has characteristics of Munchausen. She said that since I went to her nothing could happen. Hopefully the doctors will do something
fperkin2 the doctors are complicit as 99% of them say/do nothing
I am convinced I know someone who is the victim of this but - it's gone on such a long time and I think the damage is done - I agree, the ultimate only goal is attention. As a mum of four, I can't comprehend it, I find it truly awful ☹️
I'd love to talk privately about this subject. I'm 34 and still have a parent trying this crap with me to this day and would love to expose this parent for who they truly are as this behaviour has seriously defamed my character both socially and in my career in 2 countries and not a single person believes me or gives a crap about my side of the story, if I can't expose them it's likely I'll be involuntarily commited to mental health again as this parent was a doctor and has connections to people in high places in both countries, not to mention having to remain on guard constantly in order to prevent further damage to my life and reputation. How can I contact you via pm?
Everyone is different.My mom has this but she doesn't do all this & yes,it was mainly in childhood.It was just '''go with the flow''' opportunities.
i like the way you explained the syndrome . But there's something i couldn't stop staring at while watching your video and it's your eyes!! you got the eyes that have same Colour of the ocean, they are so beautiful ❤ 🌼
thank you :)
That video was very interesting. I will try to make my question brief.
I have an "extended family" member whom I believe has some form of mental health problems. "Meg" at the age of 14 had a small growth on her liver and had it removed. 36 years later that surgery has grown into....."I nearly died, I fought for my life and I was told I could never have children".
Meg did have a child some 14 years ago "Ben".
Ben frequently had to move schools because they could not acknowledge or accommodate his special needs. Ben suffers with numerous mental conditions mostly falling within the autistic spectrum but also include ......not eating for long periods of time.....not talking.....not behaving as his peers. Ben has lots of professional involved in his life both medical and professional. Meg has an undiagnosed illness which has debilitated most of her adult life and as a result has to spend the majority of her time in bed. Meg involves herself voluntarily in the local hospital helping very sick/dying children. Meg uses FB to befriend sick /dying children's parents. On Megs wedding day she had a bridesmaid whom she had never met till that day who was dying of cancer, Meg had a beautiful day....dancing the night away, so happy until 11pm when she very dramatically couldn't move because she was in such pain.
Ben is at present staying locally with his grandparents, they are a very close family and Ben stays there often. The grandparents help with cleaning, shopping, walking the dog blah blah blah. Ben never displays any of the symptoms Meg witnesses to anyone else apart from when he is at school apparently? Meg has just visited the doctor's who apparently put her back on antidepressants and advised she distance herself from her family.......it's all making my blood boil! Yesterday she posted a massive story "poor me" "i couldn't MAKE all these professionals diagnose Ben" on FB and had 130 comments basically saying "you're so brave" all these people she has never met. Her parents know something is wrong but are now torn between their grandson and their daughter.
Question...... Do you think it's possible she has MBP?
and
Is it likely after 14 years that her son will display some mental health issues?
To me it's obvious but I just want some other views.
Many thanks
Im kinda just wondering out loud, but would really like another opinion.......Ive recently been told my Mom might have symptoms of this & the thing is, she seemed to focus it on herself..... millions of dr appointments all my childhood...but they were for her... she has some legit health problems but I swear it was like she tried to make them worse?
She only hurt me mentally by always making it seem I was crazy or "warped" .... completely destroying any self esteem I was originally born with..& now at 29 Ive been diagnosed as Bipolar for over 10 years.... now they say my symptoms might be from abuse?
How common is it for a munchausen's parent to focus it on themselves but psychologically damage their kids by telling them they're just nuts for feeling something isnt right....?
Lisa , My mom was diagnosed with bipolar for over 20 years and depression for 40 yrs..
she is 67 yrs old now and just realize that she is not Bipolar. I have done some research and I believe due to her childhood and what my dad did to her (took her children away) she went into a deep depression . She is now getting her life together and was able to ween herself off of her meds. I do not recommend you doing that without a doctors consent , but if I were you , I would re-evaluate your diagnose and get another Drs opinion and let them know your childhood history. I do believe Bipolar is being diagnosed when it's really Complex ptsd.
Lisa, your mother enjoyed, above all, the ATTENTION she received from the doctors and nurses. Her problem is not MbP (Munchausen by Proxy). That said, being mentally ill there's no doubt that she would harm you and knock you down a bit-- no competition needed here from the daughter! Parents that abuse on one level usually abuse on other levels too...
It sounds as if she has Münchausen syndrome... not by proxy (using someone else).
That is straight Munchausen's
Are there MbP fathers as well? I almost always hear about abusive mothers.
none that I'm aware of. I'm sure they do exist, however.
@Haley Tathem
I'm so sorry to hear that 💕
Karine T. Knudsen their are unfortunately... but it's more common in mothers with daughters
I have been watching "The Act" on Netflix, and although it was hard to watch, I imagine that there are children who/have suffered even more because of MBP.
I feel like my sons father either has this disorder or is just trying to take my son away before i was granted custody. He has claimed to have to taken him to mutiple doctors and tries to say he has special needs and took online behavioral tests to try to prove it and now he does these kind of things but saying i harm the child and takes him to different urgent cares thankfully the child does not live with him but im fearful of the manipulation at 2 years old
Yes they are sick. Many of my relatives were like this to me especially my mother. I first started learning about narcissism several years ago. And all the pieces started fitting into place how my families been to me my whole life. I should have been dead decades ago because of them. Then I came across this man houses by proxy. And sadly that fits like a glove also how my mothers always been to me. But I'm am sick and hurting, life ruined. There just fine. One of the first bits of info I seen about what I've been trying to figure out about my mom and family was the movie, Mommie Dearest. I was amazed at the similarities of her and my mothers demeanor. Anyway thanks for the video.
Careful I've been falsely accused of this. My child actually has health problems. One doctor said it and has destroyed lives. It's rare and now more and more people are being accused of this.
tinker jedi yes because there is an epidemic of mothers doing this-
What if the parent was a psychotherapist? Using hypnosis to make the child do poorly in school, get in trouble with the law, and make the child forget many things he/she should not. Always telling everyone the child had "problems" and was crazy and mentally ill. Is using hypnosis illegal to do to a child to make them forget things? It should be.
my sons mother has a touch of this syndrome. I remember when he would be in the hospital crying and scared her family was consoling her and he'd be the one alone scared to death.
U mean ur wife?
@@jaychun102 ex
@@eja1022 damn ma mn... Dt ought 2 b hard on u 2 c ur kid goin thru dt shit. Sty strong homie... D wrlds a fukd up plc.
@@jaychun102 He's 23 now and doing well. He's an engineer on the railroad. I don't talk to her anymore...no need to 😃
Question what if your child is doing this to a parent n to my grandchild an is a nurse changing medical records. A narssist?? Also minipulating other family members creating all in contact with her makes the illness reality-Attion, money etc..Working as a nurse different personalities around each person..
This makes so much sense. I didn't see all this...
I know someone who abuses her 3 children. Mad...mad.
She needs attention and it's a way of not having to go to work. It's mad .
Maybe you can report it anonymously. Please help the children. So many don't get involved.
why are women more prone to this?
Yes. The stats bear out a figure of over 90%.
Because they are attention whores
Because they go with passive forms of abuse, while men are more likely to be outwardly physically or verbally abusive in front of anyone.
I want my mum locked up but she is so immune to the law and stuff