Linear Power 8002 Amp Dyno Test Old School
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Eight hundred watts doesn't sound like a lot of power these days when referring to car amplifiers. However, many enthusiasts still appreciate the speaker control and sound of Class AB amps. The Linear Power 8002 was one of the five "monster amps" tested by CA&E back in the October 1991 issue. There was an all-star cast of amps including the Rockford Fosgate Power 1000 Mosfet, HiFonics Colossus VII, Orion GS500, PPI 2350DM and the Linear Power 8002. Guess which one came out on top?
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Man, those vintage LP amps are no joke!
My friends mom had an Alpine/Linear Power/Nakamichi/M&M setup in her Chevy S-10 2 door Blazer...yes, HERS. Alpine 5900 CD player, Alpine EQ, Alpine crossover, 2 5002's, a 3002, 2 2002's, and a 40 watt Linear, Nakamichi mids and tweets, and 4 M&M Godfather 15's...and still had the back seat. Insane system that won everywhere she went with it. We use to play the "Helicopter" track on the Digital Domain CD and scare the crap out of people. Those amps would run all day without a problem, especially in Central California heat. Glad to see they're making a return. Some of best amps.
Wow, awesome story, thanks for sharing!!
Popeye's World loves the M&M godfather subs back in the day!!!!
I used to install stereos back in the 90s and have always backed LP products. It was the only amp I ever used and kicking myself that I didn't keep mine. Building up my current system with having to buy three 452iq, I paid about the same that I paid back in 1992. Not many amps can say they hold their value for approximately 30 years . . . and they still perform.
Remember seein those matched with strokers!!! :)
mustang33186 Linear Power's factory vehicle was a RAM with 2 of these mated up to a pair of 18" strokers - one of the only vehicles I actually had to bail out of (no earplugs, of course)
RichInMN1975 i remember seeing them with 2 stroker 18s in a wall in a 80s firebird and i swear on the dash sealed it did 164 i swear it did nasty i didnt sit in it but stood near it in a alley way and it was nutz!
My best friend swore by LP, while I was all for Orion. You couldn't go wrong with either, back in the day!👍
Holy smokes that thing's got some headroom!! A true BEAST! Hope you can get to dyno a new LP2250 real soon. I'm super intrigued!!
Ha ha, no doubt!
I can certainly believe it. Hard to find an amp these days with that much headroom. They sound absolutely amazing!!
Been rocking them since '82!!!!
Wow!! 😮👍
I wouldn't mind seeing a test on the newer linear amps any of them, I'm always interested lol
I commented on one your videos about you referring to phase linear as flea market stuff. I was thinking of linear power. I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of phase linear.
Had some of these pushing 2 15 inch kicker subs back in 1996
Damn.... The extended footage at the end of your videos was always my favorite part! But I get it bro, I understand! The game is to be sold, not to be told 🤣
that amp brings back alot of memories, I did a demo car for linear power 1985 El Camino which went to CES in the early 90's in return linear gave me a 8002 amp and a PA1 took the pre-amp apart put the controls in the ashtray and cigarette lighter as the volume control the amp was running two mtx 15" eliminator subs in a ported enclosure, this was in a 1990 Nissan sentra can we say a tight fit lol
+ituneyou 12 that's what OSS is all about...bringing back memories
I remember why I didn't like these amps because I couldn't afford them LOL awesome power output.
Yes they were and continue to be pricey amps, but like many of the best things in life...you get what you pay for...
and them customers that DID buy them....... all paid cash.... LARGE ROLLS....LOL...... Shhhhh........BDBD.2021
at a car show i heard a bmw that had 2 linear 800's with fan shrouds on a pair of kick 18's in the back seat these were the yellow and black that thing would get it on wish i had the linear line from back in the day awesome clean amps
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Linear Power was and still is amazing. I'm 50 so the car audio craze started in the 80's and I was there. I had a buddy that had Linear amps in his Daytona with 2 18" Kicker subs and Jesus, it was amazing!!!! Modern amps are complete garbage compared to Linear.
I wanted one of these so bad. But finding speakers for that much power back then would have broke the bank. Saw these is pawn shops a lot through the end of the 90's
We used Guass 15" and Fosgate Pro 15". They would get blown up on the 5002 models. What do you is take the 5002, run it in mono at 4 ohms. Then you buy two 8 ohm woofers and run them parallel to give you a 4 ohm load. That was how we did it in the 80's. I could hear my friend's BMW coming from 3 miles away.
had two of these connected 1 to each kicker 15 free airs
A Very very very well built Amp. Those were the days:)
No doubt! This is the first LP amp I've had the opportunity to test and was pleased with the result. Only wish it was mine so I could have tried it out in my daily driver for a few months...
Yes they were.. The market is mostly junk now.
Linear Power sells Amps still! LP2150 and LP2250 available at certain retailers near you! They will also modify your linear power for a decent fee! #LinearPower
LuxorVan Yes, they do. I've heard Ray's Escape in person at MECA Finals last year and it is an impressive setup! I've asked to get in an LP2250, but LP said they want to do their own tests with the Audio Precision
You ought to add the advertisement portion as a bonus for sending one. There are a few 8002's online but $1,100 is way expensive. They do have a link to get modified models from them just email. I love this video
someone said in the 90s they didnt make an amp that would push heavy power at 8ohms mono.
These were insane. So was the 5002. Heck, so was the 2502 :)
I owned the 5002. I enjoyed that sucker for years.
Still got my 5002 and still loving it
These amps are built like dinosaures, but god do they work well. I had a 300 and a 175. Gotta love those T03's. They were still sourced from Motorola back then.
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Ray has gotta send you one of the new amps to test
We'll see...
DOUBLE the power... nice.... Now I get it. I remember them 800's... They sounded HUGE... Only installed a few of them in cars... Special customers... wanted the best and them days Linear Power was the best. NOT ALL their amps used T03's... Transistors in CANS.... Later ABYSS amps came along with similar structure... CANS.... nice.... BDBD/2021
We never moved the taps and ran this 2 ohms, as close as we could get to 15 volts.
Still running mine in my mini truck.
HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!
I have always loved Linear Power.
In 96 I bought a pair of 2502IQ's and a pair of D6 Petras Hyperthrow 15's.
This proved to be a great combo in my 91 prelude trunk.
One amp got stolen a few yrs later on the other one got damaged at that time.
I got the damaged one fixed recently.
Can you test one of these amps?
Lets see some tests of the new stuff as well!!
These amps were rely expensive. When I was at installer institute this guy in a big box truck, like a UPS truck, he had 125 12” subs running off linear power amps. These amps were custom for his truck. He was suppose to top Alma Gates world record but he had arcing issues from the subs so he didn’t get a good number. He still broke into the 170’s this was back in 2000. So doing those numbers was amazing.
Yep... the 5002 models were like $800 bucks back in 1985/1986. That was a lot of money back them. Minimum wage was $3.35/hr. It was hard to raise the money to buy one of those.
Also got a linear power 3002 I can donate to the channel just let me know boss. Love to see a review on them
That would be sweet! Contact me BigDWiz (at) gmail dot com
Linear Power was the sh*t back in the day. Truly built for real Sq. I have an original 2202 linear Power amp. Before the Iq series 2202. I have it bridged to a JL Audio 12 w6v2 running at 8 ohms and it sounds amazing. I listen to a lot of smooth jazz music and the head room on this amp handles it better than any other class ab amp I have ever owned. That includes my Orion HCCA225 or my Audison vr-209. BTW thanks for another killer video. You should try running your Sound Stream reference 500 bridged at 2 ohms but leave the rails set for high power. It will perform like the 8002 and yes it can handle it. Thanks again Big D.
Great comment! I always appreciate hearing people's experiences. I was blown away hearing a LP 5002 once, so I know what these amps are capable of, and the truth is hearing them powering speakers. Amp Dyno is like 0-60 tests in cars...nice for comparison, but doesn't tell the whole story by far...
They were always a contender back in the day. Everyone just wanted the Fosgate name. Btw I still have my "Runt" impressive little amp. Would live to see it on on a dyno. I know it has to be more than 16x2 watts.
i had one of those with the ps2 and 2 old school 15" kickers (sealed) with a nakamichi deck back in 89. i had all this in a 1982 cavalier wagon. people couldnt stand it at that time and i had a reg alternator and a reg car battery. those were the days. dereck thanks for the memories. p.s. the cavalier would make my friends business side walls tremble and they were about 30ft tall. i regreat selling everything. i only have a one hundred linear power amp left...
Would love to see you test Linears new flagship amp.. Big money amp !
I’d be happy to show if they would send me one. I tested their 250x2 a couple of years ago. Linear Power LP2250 Amp Dyno Test
ua-cam.com/video/NlIhmjbAlDE/v-deo.html
That's the amp I was talking about. I had no Idea you have tested one already? I'll watch the video now !
I have 5 linear amps. They need a refresh and upgrades before installation but i can't wait to get it all done !
Yes let's check out one of them new linear power amplifiers
Linear Power LP2250 Amp Dyno Test ua-cam.com/video/NlIhmjbAlDE/v-deo.html
Yes I'd love to see that
Love to see the new linear power amps to see if they have improved any the old school amps are very impressive keep the vids coming also really like the 12v talk great 💡
I tried out the LP2250 here: Linear Power LP2250 Amp Dyno Test ua-cam.com/video/NlIhmjbAlDE/v-deo.html
I want to power a Fi Neo 3.5 dual 2 ohm with that amp for extreme sound quality.
Those TO transistors....where are they now? i love them
Just when I thought that I was alone... Is it possible to start a T03 Fan Club with just two people? LoL...
T03!!!! Someone somewhere has to bring them back... And not those cheap Chinese clones either! After that we want the compact cassette comeback...
I would love to see you test their new amps.
Planning a system with a Sound Stream 305 bridged for the front 6.5 and sub channel for one 12" and an Alpine 3341 for the rear 6.5 hope this is worth it over the new class D amps
I had a lime green 5002 back in 95😎💸💸
Big D, here's an example of a pretty darn clean amp all wrung out.
I want to know if it does it's rated power with a distortion % that falls in it's advertised spec.
I want to know how it sounds at that power, not all wrung out. Amps sound different at rated vs absolute max. heat is different too.
That 8002sw rocks didn't think it would kick ass like that I would really like to see an amp dyno on a PPI PC2350 or PC21400.2 they are supposed to be identical. Man if you could do it that would be sweet if you don't have one I got one we could run on the dyno
That is one NASTY ass amp. I used to own the 5002 model running in mono at 2 ohms. That thing had no problem blowing up woofers. I remember when Robert Rayfield of Linear Power had his Kicker van running 14,000 watts. He had nine of these 5002 models running mono, one amp for each 18" woofer. That thing was hitting 157 dB's and set off car alarms all the way down the street. The bass was absolutely devastating.
They are still making amps today. The 250x2 model is around $3000 though
@@wal Not worth it for a sub amp. I paid $138 for a brand new Fosgate 500 watt amp that puts out 644 watts RMS. I'd only want those big, expensive amps for a low THD for mid's and high's. I used to have a McIntosh MC431 400 watt for that. .005% THD. Super clear sounding, but the amp was huge.
Still can’t figure out how to get a message to you to see if you want to test a LP5002 in mint condition
beautiful amp
I WANT TO SEE MORE LINEAR POWER AMPS TESTED, HOW ABOUT THE 4.1HVS
I had a 2002 running 4 petras 15s ....bumping with out breaking av sweat..
Oh man, kicking!!
Send 'er in for TIPS mods if you really want it to sing.
Let's all write to linear power so they can send you one
Nice test!
wicked amp indeed!
I'd like to se a 2.2 hv on the dyno
This actually isn't a mono amplifier in the sense of it being single channel so i'm wondering how the dyno is separating the two channels and summing the output measurement. The LP8002SW is a two channel amplifier and is internally bridged. So both the - and + speaker outputs represent one half of the rail potential. The servo feedback takes place where the ground outputs would normally be. Couldn't find anything in the dyno manual about testing a bridged amplifier.
+monosurge I spoke with Ray Rayfield at LP when testing this and he did not mention any concern related to your comment. Interesting though 🤷♂️
I got a mint purple 5002 if you want to test it?
not at this time, thx for the offer
I have a 2502 IQ that i`ve had since back in the day . it`s been collecting dust since then, is this an amp you would be interested in a dyno.
Have You ever tested an ALPHA SONIK FA Series ? I loved my FA 200
I remember those amps from way back in the day... like maybe in the 80's when some people had them. Those were also bass kings!
Nice amp
Hello, would please give me your opinion on a model# 2002 linear power amp? Specifically, helping me understand if it is a feasible and viable option to bridge it to a mono channel to use with a small jl audio 4 ohm sub. The manual says it is not bridgeable, but it seems like it should be able perform through 1 channel at 4 ohms.
Thanks,
Dwight
Can you test one of my amps for rms power
Can you run a dyno test on precision power trax 1.3000d ? You'd be the first to do so since no video exists in the entire web. Thank you.
We shall see. Thanks for the comment and suggestion 🤙
Is it a class ab amp?
Is there any company that is building amp with this kind of craftsmanship nowadays
Nope. Not even for big bucks. Everything is disposable junk now. 😥
Except for linear power....... ray is still in business
what do u think of the ultra linear amps
"Represents music"
Lmfaoooo
I guess I should clarify..."represents dynamic music, not continuous bass tones like a lot of bass music today". If you listen to music with dynamic range, then yes, it represents music. If you listen to continuous bass tones, then the uncertified mode suits your application better.
Was this before they figured out they could lie to us about how much power they put out
ok cool. u must didn't do a video on the 5002? do you remember what numbers it did and what ohms?
+Mr certified DTP I have video footage and will release the video when I get to it. I have a couple dozen amp tests I've completed on video, just time needed to edit the videos and post
big D have you ever dyno'd a xtant 2140c or xtant 1000xd? if you have do you have a video? was wondering Wat they were really putting out and at what voltage kuz in thinking of picking these up. please I do value and appreciate your opinion and time sir.
Xtant! Now there's an amp I haven't heard of in over 20 years. WOW! What memories.
Hey BigDWiz, are all ur tests showing "rms"? Is the dynamic tests considered "peak"?? Im asking because on the LP site, they have this amps rated peak at 2400watts. Maybe they meant 1400? 2400 would be triple rms lol. Awesome vids man.
+HumbolSkitso all of my tests show RMS power
BigDWiz oh alright cool, i appreciate the reply man. You gotta get ur hands on one of those monster LP 4.1HVS . I'd love to see one of those on the dyno. Keep up the awesome vids!
I will send my next LP 2250 for you to test dereck.
Now that would be interesting...shoot me an email bigdwiz (at) gmail dot com
+Dereck BigDWiz I have a few linear power amps. Id love to have my 5002 tested on the amp dyno if not my others as well. One thing I know is I cannot seem to feed the 5002 enough power haha. I'm running 4 kicker 12's on it. I also have a memphis16-mcx1.1100. Have you ever dyno'd one of those?
I've tested the 5002 and a Memphis 16-ST1300D, which has the 1100W sub channel. Memphis did right at rated, Linear did more than rated
You need to use some nice, big capacitors and mount them as close to the amp as possible so that you don't burn out your alternator.
We're did ya get the turntable
Amazon or eBay, I can’t recall
Very rare power supply coil
C'mon Ray, get him a new one to test. lol
LP has stated they are going to do their own testing as (they say) I'm not a certified amp tester and don't use professional equipment. I may not be a professional (have a day job), but I use calibrated equipment and I know what I'm doing...
Dereck BigDWiz It shouldn't really matter what equipment you use as long as the tests are consistent. I guess they are wanting the number to be high and we're more interested as to how it compares to other amps.
I think there's more to it than not trusting bigD's skills. BigD and Steve Meade have nice amp dynos that measure power through resistive loads, while a speaker presents a reactive load to the amp. The manufacturers may have access to much more complex dynos that could simulate a reactive load, more like an actual speaker in operation, and get better numbers.
@@wal It would be awesome if they used the T03 transistors in their new amplifiers which would make it a very different and definitely desirable amplifier that separates it from every thing else on the market. And I would purchase from them 100%.... Even vintage home Hifi amplification based upon the T03 transistors sounds better than the majority of what's available today... I guess that you can say that I'm a T03 Fanboy LoL... I just love what they do for audio...
@@wal Actually... You wouldn't know by any chance which T03 transistors they used? I would love to see the maximum recommend current and voltage limits on their datasheet... Transistor datasheets reveal a lot about an amplifier... The more that you begin to understand what and how components do and work, the more that the designers secrets start to reveal themselves... You'll be like 'Oh okay, I see what they have done there.... Hmmm well that explains why it's doing what it does'.. It's a fascinating world once you dive into the rabbit hole to see how far it goes...
Sucks for the price tag
Back in the early 90's, $1-2 per watt was expected. Same can hold true today if the amp is not made in China
Sundown all day
Yeah, but built like a tank unlike today's thing. Better keep one if you have :)
Junior... Wrong buddy... These were the cream of the crop. Super clean and efficient and they were indestructible. I still run one of these on a pair of Kicker Solobarics as well as a 1752 model driving the front channels in a 98 GTP.
hmm how do have a 2502IQ dyno tested
+toneitdown2 No sir, but hope to have a 5002 soon to test
+Dereck BigDWiz sorry about that Derek . I meant to say I have a 2502 ( how do I have it dyno tested )
I always thought these were some of the ugliest looking amps back in the day. Similar outside look to the Rockford Punch series but the Rockford black looks way better than these Liner Power (IMHO) although I still had high regards for their power and sound.
Transistors in CANS......
ear candy......