How to install the 4th Gen Mopar Heavy Duty Steering Linkage in a 3rd Gen Power Wagon.
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- One of the greatest weaknesses of the 3rd Gen Dodge Ram has always been the Y-link steering configuration. Luckily, Dodge fixed this in the 4th Gen trucks. Here’s how to install it in the 3rd Gen Ram. If you have any questions or comments about this install, we'd love to hear them in the comments below. Please don't forget to Like this video and Subscribe. For the latest updates on our channel, make sure to select the notifications bell!
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Parts:
• Mopar Heavy Duty Steering (Mopar #52122362AL)
• Mopar Pitman Arm (Mopar #68039930AA)
• Lock Nuts (Mopar #6505623AA)
-One needed for joint to pitman arm.
-Tie Rods use same part number.
• Steering Shock (Your choice w/o stud)
Torque Specs:
• Wheel Lug Bolts (140 ft-lbs)
• Tie Rod Ends at Knuckle (78 ft-lbs)
• Drag Link at Pitman Arm (100 ft-lbs)
• Pitman Arm at Steering Box (177 ft-lbs)
• Steering Shock (75 ft-lbs)
• Tie Rod & Drag Link Adjuster Clamps (40 ft-lbs) - Навчання та стиль
Great video, I just bought the moog 4th gen upgrade for my 3rd gen Cummins. Seems to be pretty straight forward for installation. Thanks for the video!
Greate video with all required details highlighted!
Definitely get a Milwaukee 1/2" stubby. Works extremely well. Saves a lot of time on taking off these wheels.
Great video. I really appreciate it. I'm fixing my Dodge Ram third generation. thank you for the torque specifications.
Glad we could help! Thanks for watching!
Great video, this is my next project after water pump, and AC compressor.
Great job thank you for sharing this video
Great video, good information. Thanks for posting part numbers and torque specs. Really helpful.
Glad we could help. Thanks for watching!
Indeed
Thank you! Great video!
Great video I’m getting ready to do this this week thanks
Glad we could help. Thanks for watching!
Nice job and explaination!
Thanks for the video, saved $600 doing the work myself instead of using the dealership. Parts were much cheaper on Amazon and they shipped everything to Alaska for free
That’s great!
Yo, if it's not the MOPAR, be careful. I bought the cheaper version and had a tierod adjustment sleeve SNAP after two years and 30k miles.
Awesome video sir. Thanks it really helped.
Glad it helped!
I'm doing this to my 2500 cummins 05. You gave great details thank you
How did this work out for you?
@Curtis Sartor went well, the drive feels smother. I have a rusted truck so I had to let things soak over night
fantastic info thanks for sharing!
Great video. parts list shows 2005-2008 pitman arm. The one in the video looks different. It this correct to upgrade to gen 4, gen 3 pitman arm and gen 4 HD steering parts. Hope it right, orgered everything already lol
Wooow!! Thanks. For the video 👍👍👍👍👍
Great video! Exactly why I was looking for. I have a 2006 megacab and will be doing this upgrade to mine in a few weeks.
How did this upgrade work out for you man?
Awesome video, I should do this to my 05 2500
Did you every do it? I have the parts just need to find the time
Great video! Love the details and parts list, thankyou! 👍 I've got a 2nd Gen I'm getting ready to do and while yours is an '03, the process is very similar. Which track bar did you go with besides the new steering setup? Onc thing I'm finding are these diesel truck mods are not cheap! 😲
nice video. good weather and clean install. link to videos showing " homeowner" toe- in adjustment would be helpful. also ive had no luck using a torque wrench as you do. they always lose calibration when used as a breaker bar.
NEVER use a torque wrench as a breaker bar! Go spend $20 for a real breaker bar. You're absolutely correct about the calibration.
Great video !!! Question: you’ve have this on for a couple years . How has it performed over time, with overlanding ? Has it gotten loose or any failed tie rods?
Thanks for this video. Very informing and detailed. Just a heads up. I checked the Bilstein website. The dampers are a little different. The 24-164870 you modified has 0.5" less travel than 33-170794. May or may not affect the steering. I installed the 24-164870 not too long ago and would like to reuse it like you did. Thanks again.
Good to know! I’ve been thinking about changing mine out lately as I have no idea how long it’s been on the truck. Thank you so much for the part number, I’ll have to look into that when I go to purchase the next one. Thanks for watching!
Will this work on a 1998 Ram 1500 Sport 4x4? It has a 3” lift.
Hey Jerimy great video very informative.
Thx for posting.
Just found your channel while looking for info on updating the front end of my 07 Mega cab. (I too have a FZJ80 (96) that used to be the main truckster before the Ram)
An chance your going to do a segment on your camp setup including your AT topper?
We plan on doing a walk around of the truck and camper sometime in the future. Was there anything in particular you would like to see?
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding Thanks for the response. Not looking at anything particular just an over of your setup. It looks like you have many nights camping under your belt with the Ram and the Cruiser, just figured you'd have some great tips and ideas on what worked and what you would do different.
I just retired this month and planning on a small camp build out on my Ram with the current Snug top cap. I would really like one of the new pop top truck caps (AT Overland, Vagabond, Go Fast, etc) but everyone is months backordered. I just like to see what owners have to say about the camp shell they purchased to help decided which top to go with.
Thanks again.
Great video with clear directions. The part numbers list was very helpful. And I like how you get right to it, unlike some videos where the person thinks we want to hear about their life story before they get to the instructional part. Great Job. I have A couple questions though: the parts list at the beginning had the lock nuts part # as 6505623AA Then later you show a locking nut for the drag link connection to the pitman arm and gave the part # as 6505263AA. You mentioned that the same nut is used for the tie rods connections and the pitman arm connection. 1. Looks like 2 numbers got transposed on one of parts lists. Can you tell me which one is the correct part #? 2. Do I order 3 of these nuts? Or does the heavy duty steering come with the 2 for the tie rod ends already? Thanks again for a great video. I refer back to it many times as my number 1 reference for this job.
Hey, good questions! When I looked up the part numbers on Mopar’s website again, it looks like the 6505623AA is the correct number currently. I must’ve mistyped the number. As far as does the linkage come with them, it depends on where/who you buy them from. Some sell complete kits. I bought mine from a private seller locally, so I had to source everything separately. You should need 3 total. That will cover the tie rod ends and the connection at the pitman arm. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Thanks for watching!
I didn't here what year your truck is but was wondering if it has gone in for the recalls Dodge put out? Because there was a recall on the steering and my dealer won't sign off the recall on my 2006 because it now has this linkage with the clamp on steering stabilizer. BTW, I am checking with other dealers in case it's BS. Also, the MOOG equivalent (DS800980A) is virtually the same to the Mopar one except the MOOG one has grease fittings on every joint. But there was a recall on the MOOG ones production years 2013-2018. Does anyone have any info on newer ones since they are still being sold?
Good video tho, I subscribed and I agreed, those jack stands made me nervous.
Why doesn't the drag link castle nut work with this setup?
Can this 4th. gen set up fix the 2ad gen steering?
@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding
Good Morning Sir, what tire size/spec do you have? I have stock rims as well and would like to purchase BFGoodrich as well. Thank you.
Does anyone the part number for the upgraded inner tie rod piece? Thank you in advance.
I have an 03 dodge Cummins with a steering stabilizer was wondering what pitman arm to use
You’d have to cross reference it with the dealer or the diesel forums, but I think it uses the same one I installed. Mopar 68039930AA Pitman Arm
Great Video, appreciate it!.. had my mechanic install parts, only issue is my mechanic said the Pitman arm was incorrectly clocked when installed, meaning it did not install in the same position the factory pitman was at, IS This Normal or Correct?? I looked at the Key and Splines and they are not centered to the pitman arm itself??.. thanks for any Help!
I can’t remember exactly. I could’ve sworn it only goes in one way. As far as being offset, it may be due to the newer design, if you were using the part number I have listed.
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding
thx for the reply, yes its the same part number you supplied in vid. Hopefully I can find confirmation on this.
Once you make this upgrade and bring it to get aligned what specs do you tell them to follow?
Anthony Bonnecarrere they just use the factory alignment specs. Thanks for watching!
Question, i have a 2008 dodge ram pickup, quad cab, slt, 5.7 gas, stock height. Will this 4th gen setup work on my truck ? What year 4th gen truck should be the best setup for my 2008 pickup. This video is great ! Thanks. I'll stand by fir your response. Posted march 3 2032
It should work for all 3rd Gen trucks. I believe they started installing them in 2009, but you should be able to find them by searching for the part number’s in the video description. Hope that helps.
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding thanks !
Isn’t the issue with the drive link the bolts on the Mopar parts? They told me the dealership would fix my truck for free but all they’re gonna do is weld the bolts shut. The problem with it is those bolts that you were losing and tightening, loosen up overtime.
When you get the swap and want to go with duals do you buy 3rd gen shimmy shock or 4th gen
Sorry, I don’t have any information related to dual steering shocks. Never had the need for two.
Do I have to put my truck on stands or can I leave it sitting in on the ground?
You have to pick it up. You might be able to sneak it out on the ground, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
What is the unit on the right side sway bar?
It’s the electric sway bar disconnect for the power wagon.
How much better did it feel afterwards?
Wafflebrah21 it was a noticeable difference. The steering tightened up quite a bit and it is worlds easier to do an alignment on now. Toe is set with the main tie rod and the drag link of to center the steering wheel. Thanks for watching!
Will this work on an ‘06 ram 2500 4x4 diesel??
Yes, it should be the same parts.
Do yourself one better and replace all steering with SYNERGY HEAVYT DUTY STEERING, they are even beefier with way more robust tie rods. The best part being every tie rod end can be replaced with threaded replacements.
For 3x the cost, not worth it.
How did you get the pitman arm back on?
First get it set on the splines. Then you can either tap on it using a socket over the shaft and a hammer or just use the nut to slowly draw it up. There won’t be enough room to use the lock washer, so you’ll have to take the nut back off and reinstall the washer after the arm has been drawn up enough.
I wouldn't trust just jack stands. Throw that tire under there, in case they fail
agreed. jack stands extended that far are unstable. appropriate stands on frame behind where the front axle is anchored give me greater security. and leave the bottle jack in place. gives me half second more to escape were somthing to go amiss
I was thinking the same thing.
do I need to remove the pitman arm? Could I still use the stock arm?
It’s my understanding that if you still have the original pitman arm on, you’ll need to update it as well or it can cause binding and premature wear on the joint that attaches to it.
Torque wrench Breaker Bar?
You’re correct, it’s not a good idea to make normal use of a torque wrench as a breaker bar. In this case, it’s all that I had at the time and was able to set the torque wrench way above the torque needed to remove the fasteners. Not something I’d say to do every time, but will work in a pinch.
What does a power wagon come with vs the 2500?
Progressive springs that are 2-2.5” higher than stock. Lockers front and rear. Electric sway bar disconnect on the front axle and a warn winch behind the front bumper. They also come with 4.56:1 or 4.10:1 gears, depending on the year.
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding So do you know of any kits that upgrade a 2007 3500 mega cab with progressive springs
Carli and Thuren both offer progressive rate springs as well as a multitude of different shock options for the Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks.
Just wondering if you noticed a better feel in the handling after the upgrade? I just ordered the "Bigger/newer" steering box for my 2006 Ram 3500 dually. (Steering number 68170214AA). I have the sector shaft bearing support (after market) and was wondering if you know if this will work on the new box? Great video you put together, part numbers and torque spec are alway helpful. Cheers.
The feel definitely improved. I’m not sure about the newer style box though. I installed the sector shaft brace as well and it was a huge improvement to the handling of the truck.
Could you possibly tell me what setup you would recommend using with a 95' 3500 Dually. We got the 4th gen MOOG 1.300 in OD set and installed it on the truck and from tie rod bolt hole center to tie rod bolt hole center we have it set to 61.5" and the toe is heavily pointed out. We took it over to the alignment shop and they told us that there is not enough adjustment to make it work and the alignment shop also said that we could possibly cut the tie rods and thread them more at a machine shop to make it work. Im just wondering if you could possibly help me out. My truck is a 95 2nd Gen.
Also love your video it is definitely the clearest on here. So thank you very much
What kind of tires are those and how do you rate them? I drive a lot of gravel and haven't really found many that were good.
They’re BFGoodrich KM3’s. Excellent tires, but like most BFG’s take a bit to balance them. I love the KM3’s though. 👍
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding thank you.
Would you recommend the moog set for this?
I would try to stay away from Moog if you can. They do not last nearly as long as the factory components.
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding where can I find the updated one for my 2008 ram 2500? Thank you for the feed back
@@MrCaryk www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/steering-upgrades-and-components/products/mopar-2008-5-dodge-hd-steering-upgrade would be my first go to place. Sometimes you can find them listed on Amazon or some of the Diesel truck sites as well. CJC off-road has everything that you’ll need and is priced pretty much where everyone else is. I bought several things for my Dodge from them and they’ve never done me wrong. Very knowledgeable too. 👍
@@FamilyAdventuresOverlanding Okay last question lol. I saw you were talking about the steering shock or damper that you had to press a fitting in. If I were to get the upgrade kit which shock would I need to buy? I guess I could ask the guys from the link you sent me
@@MrCaryk they have diff options available. If you look up one for a 2009 diesel 2500, it will be the correct part. The http I DM’d you has the option to select which steering shock you’d like to add.
not 4th gen steering. just mopar update kit from old style bolt through steering stabilizer to u-bolt style
If my truck is lifted I'll need a drop pitman arm for the 4th gen won't I?
I’d imagine that would depend on how high it’s lifted. Ideally you want the drag link and track bar to be parallel to one another. Thanks for watching!
Thank you I'm going to be doing this soon how much was the total cost of all the parts?
2003 Dodge Cummins I have a steering stabilizer was wondering what pitman arm to use?
The one I installed was Mopar part# 68039930AA. You’d have to call a dealer or cross reference it on one of the diesel forums to be sure, but it should be the same one.
@@michealtunnell I just ordered the same kit for my 06 mega cab 3500. Havent received them yet. Total so far is:
$302- mopar steering kit (Amazon)
$74- pitman arm (amazon)
$94- stabilizer shock (aka steering damper). I went with Bilstein to match my existing setup. Every website was basically same price for their steering shock.
$10(ish) - for nuts for steering linkage and new steering damper (O'Reilly, autozone, et al)
$TBD- alignment
Can't wait to install. Using this video as reference! Thanks again!
Is this guy using a torque wrench as a ratchet?
Michael Alix in this case yes, as I didn’t have a long 1/2” ratchet at home. The torque wrench was set to the max setting, which is way above what the fasteners needed to be removed. Not the ideal situation, but it works. Thanks for watching!
Uggh I love the build, but please stop calling the drag link and tie rod "steering bars" and the steering stabilizer is not a "steering shock".