Laravel Controller Code: Move to Model, Service, Action or Job?

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 253

  • @gdogmalone
    @gdogmalone 3 роки тому +53

    It’s uncanny how often I’m thinking about a subject in laravel (that I could work more on) and you release a video on that very subject! Thanks as ever Povilas. 👏

  • @gtsmeg3474
    @gtsmeg3474 3 роки тому +85

    I do always create a directory called "Services" on each module of the application where lands the logic used by the controllers, so in my controllers I just pass The service class name as an argument to the controller method, and then I just call the service methof from the controller, my controller now all contains max 2 lines of code. My models contain only relationships, some overriding functions, and accessors/mutators. I can say this is a good practice

    • @marcgriebenow4362
      @marcgriebenow4362 3 роки тому +5

      We named this directory "managers", because our "Manager" Classes don't provide real services... Lets say we have Ticket model with TicketController... The TicketManager class "manages" everything that is related to tickets. Also, the word "Service" is already claimed by Laravel core at some places... But I think the approach, independently from naming, is good :)

    • @cellocarlos
      @cellocarlos 3 роки тому

      I totally agree. I also usually make the services methods as static to keep it even simple, so you don't have to instantiate it or use dependency injection

    • @nafischonchol
      @nafischonchol Рік тому

      We can use interface

    • @BillClinton228
      @BillClinton228 Рік тому +4

      No, you're doing it wrong, you need more abstractions... create another folder inside services called servicing_service, then create another folder inside that called bottle_service then add another folder inside that called micro_service, so pass data through each class to make things simpler and easier to read. The more layers of abstractions you add the simpler your code will be... flawless logic every time.

    • @joaquinvergara4699
      @joaquinvergara4699 Рік тому +1

      @@BillClinton228 no, just throw all logic to the views

  • @beatnu187
    @beatnu187 3 роки тому +15

    Well, that's what I mean with a clear understanding of where what belongs. Thank you for this video, makes a lot more sense now. The Service Class looks the most readable for me. You explain things so well, that I understand things that I do even not understand after reading multiple times. Another big thank you for that! Crystal Clear

  • @adarshchacko6137
    @adarshchacko6137 2 роки тому +3

    Clicked on the LIKE button the moment he started talking about the topic because this was something that always troubled me. Looking forward to more of such videos.

  • @eleftrik
    @eleftrik 3 роки тому +21

    In my opinion, "move to model" is never an option, even for small projects. It's not models' responsibility to handle business logic and they should stay anemic. Services usually are the answer, but sometimes a service class handles too many responsibilities and methods. Better to use an action, which will handle a single aspect of the application, optionally injecting other services (each of one handling a specific responsibility).

  • @jorgeluisbou-saad7643
    @jorgeluisbou-saad7643 10 місяців тому +1

    It`s very interesting. I like Service too. I have been working with Angular for years and it has the same phylosophy respect with the actions. Usually I use just the methods controller for the logic but if the application is complex, have a long functions and code, it`s good idea sepatarate the logic in other class like Service. I think the same about models is for Eloquents operations...just that. Services it`s good idea for operations like actions. Jobs it`s for especific cases, for when you have to use a queue in a background.

  • @adammenczykowski
    @adammenczykowski 3 роки тому +6

    Totally agree with your preference of using Service classes! Love the high level comparison of ‘Model’ and ‘Service’!

  • @erstevn
    @erstevn 2 роки тому +1

    Man, such a quality content. I just watch another video of using repository pattern for Laravel application and then I found this, great content brother

  • @Samuel.Tedesque
    @Samuel.Tedesque Рік тому +1

    Thanks a lot Povilas, I was trying to understand a way to separate the logic from my model Class to a Service class and your vídeo really helped me to get it. Thks for sharing

  • @gaofan2856
    @gaofan2856 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you very much for such a clear explanation as always. Thanks to your videos I successfully passed my job interview for Laravel developer position, and explained things related to Laravel even made interviewer suprise :D

  • @dkvadratu
    @dkvadratu 3 роки тому +4

    Right on time. Few days ago I was structuring project functionality which can take some time: parse json, download files (~50mb), store them, update db. And I decided Jobs + Queue + Cron. After your video I'm staying with same decision. Thanks for content and QAP :)

  • @thraxxdv
    @thraxxdv 3 роки тому +1

    I saw you retweet this subject on Twitter. Thank you for making a video about it!

  • @dr-boneless
    @dr-boneless 3 роки тому +8

    I also do like to use Services, i don't know why ppl go with rep pattern for small projects or push methods in model... As you said and i completely agree, model should consist of relations, fields, casts and scopes, all model related stuff...

  • @denjand
    @denjand 3 роки тому +1

    I am quite new to Laravel and this video gives me good knowledge about Laravel. Thank you very much

  • @raminsadeghnasab9310
    @raminsadeghnasab9310 2 роки тому +2

    Your videos are great, I can't even miss one second of them. Thanks for such a high quality content.

  • @YahyaKhan-x3x
    @YahyaKhan-x3x Рік тому

    I am writing all the logic in the controller, now i will follow your code structure. Its good to breakdown code.

  • @jomonjohnson735
    @jomonjohnson735 3 роки тому +8

    all programmers confusing this part after learning the basics. they are going to code in the way showing in docs.
    For small projects its OK. but for large or medium scale projects will be get more complex, hard to maintain
    In My point of view
    Models are not business logic, it represents database table. It is a gateway between application and database
    WebController, Console Commands, Graphql Mutator, Graphql Query Resolvers, API controllers are receive input and output processed data, Not doing any operations itself. it controls everything between visible input and visible output
    Actions Responsible for one specific operations assigned. action may call another action to execute.
    Same action can use inside WebController, Console Commands, Graphql Mutator, Graphql Query Resolvers ... etc
    I prefer Actions over Services to execute operations
    It can be Queable
    Services Performing computations over arguments and return its result
    ..etc
    Key point is Split Responsibilities if it going to complex. It will help for maintenance, code reusing and unit testing

  • @hamidimomov232
    @hamidimomov232 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the info about the Repository pattern.

  • @IlPandax
    @IlPandax 3 роки тому +6

    Perfect video! In this case I would have used a service. TO ME, actions does not return anything. You perfom an action and go back. Services could return something.
    In this case an invoice is returned so I would have used a servece. IMHO, of course. :D

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, IMHO is the most appropriate word (abbreviation) for this video and comments. And yes, after editing the video I thought about it, that I used Action maybe in not the most intended way - many people use Actions without returns, just as Jobs.

  • @JustMillIt23
    @JustMillIt23 2 роки тому

    This is over my head. I wish I understood more what you are talking about, but it looks way advanced.

  • @SergiuSavva
    @SergiuSavva 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for video
    I have a project with complex business logic and long-run jobs.
    I'm dispatching Events from Controller.
    EventServiceProvider class stores the mapping between Listeners and Event (shouldDiscoverEvents = false) where one Event can have multiple Listeners. Job and Listener can be queueable (async) and run in the background.
    Inside the controller, I'm validating the Request data, creating/updating the model, and then dispatching the Event.
    Contoller -> Event -> Listener(s) -> Service(s)
    Contoller -> Event -> Listener(s) -> Service(s) -> Job(s)
    Contoller -> Event -> Listener(s) -> Job(s) -> Service(s)

  • @AhsanKhan89
    @AhsanKhan89 2 роки тому +2

    Tip: *Use the Command pattern when you want to queue operations, schedule their execution, or execute them remotely.*

  • @ivalinvenkov8208
    @ivalinvenkov8208 3 роки тому +4

    I need to agree with Povilas on this one. I have been working on a project where all the logic and methods where put in the model and now the model is 500+ lines of code. It's hard for debugging and it's a mess if want check how something works.

    • @QueeeeenZ
      @QueeeeenZ 3 роки тому +1

      @Ivalin, how do you avoid a service class from becoming 500+ lines of code? I mean if you just move all the methods from a Model to a Service class - what's the difference?

    • @ivalinvenkov8208
      @ivalinvenkov8208 3 роки тому

      @@QueeeeenZ With some refactoring, in general I like the idea of structuring your code this way.

    • @AbdallahAjlouni
      @AbdallahAjlouni 3 роки тому

      @@QueeeeenZ This is a good question.

  • @mikhart
    @mikhart 3 роки тому

    Perfect! I've just seen the preview of this video and I absolutely sure that I will use this in my job! Thanks a lot!

  • @Coogle007
    @Coogle007 3 роки тому +2

    Very nice video, totally agree as architect to this solution.
    Another way is to use a more comprehensive architecture pattern like the hexagonal or clean architecture, it seems difficult to apply that patterns to laravel but is just a meaning of proper layer separation, with that architectures you will end up with a usecase in this particular video scenario with all the concerns and boundaries moved to the laravel/infrastructure layer. But can be overwhelmed for small projects. Anyway I really appreciate that video, can be a light in the dark for many developers, kudos from Italy!

  • @ioshaven436
    @ioshaven436 3 роки тому +1

    I create a “packages” folder and create local service providers in that folder. Each service provider package is a git submodule and linked as a composer repository of type “path”. This allows me to go crazy on OOP and only publish what is necessary to my app. It also allows me to reuse services across projects.

    • @syamjulio3685
      @syamjulio3685 3 роки тому +1

      This sounds interesting. Do you have tutorial about it? I want to read it further. Thanks.

  • @chlouis-girardot
    @chlouis-girardot 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you Sir ! This topic is clearer to me now 👍

  • @poplach
    @poplach 3 роки тому +1

    Very good, some non-junior stuff at last. Thank you.

  • @viniciusalvess
    @viniciusalvess 8 місяців тому

    For my projects I try to keep it simple and store the "service" methods on the model file. I find it easier this way. If it is a third party project, I follow whatever convention they have stablished.

  • @Xodiman
    @Xodiman 3 роки тому

    I was looking for this video, fortunately it found me itself 😍

  • @FISS007
    @FISS007 3 роки тому +1

    I totally agree with you. Model is a data container, it shoulden't contain behavior. Of corse it can host data related methods but not behavior ones.

  • @codokit
    @codokit 11 місяців тому

    Nice and useful videos. Thanks for your hard work!

  • @LaravelDaily
    @LaravelDaily  2 роки тому +1

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  • @abdmaster
    @abdmaster 3 роки тому +3

    Nice video. I personally use the name service as means to connection with other external services using guzzle, sftp, grpc etc.
    I use the name Task (alternative to Action) to separate large logic.
    Just my personal choice.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Yup, it's all a personal choice! It may make the difference only if you work in the team, and then your teammates need to understand that naming.

    • @MainTeMereDost
      @MainTeMereDost 3 роки тому

      What if contain my logic inside a trait.an use it in my controller.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      If that trait is repeatable in at least a few other classes, then sure.

  • @jtovarto
    @jtovarto 3 роки тому

    I agree with your opinion, I think it's easier to maintain a class of services than a whole model overloaded with various types of actions. A possible solution to "fatten" the model with a large number of actions is to segment them into traits according to their relationship with each other, this makes management and maintenance easier, but there will always be the risk of breaking our model. Making any changes to it could affect the performance of the model and affect our app. Great job my friend, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us every day, cheers!

  • @cardboarddignity
    @cardboarddignity 3 роки тому +5

    According to SRP, Model should not be responsible for anything except data structure. For me, it is better to implement Repository pattern, since I consider Services as classes that stores Controller logic (kinda helpers), but Repositories always contain logic to manipulate or access data from the model

  • @CharlesM123
    @CharlesM123 2 роки тому

    Great video. Thanks Povilas.

  • @slimaniyoucef2530
    @slimaniyoucef2530 3 роки тому +3

    Personally, if i go from Service to Action, it's for complexity reasons !
    I mean, if you've got a Service class with over 1000 lines of code, then refactoring it into a set of Action classes is not a bad idea.

  • @PathOfDamn
    @PathOfDamn 3 роки тому

    I personally use Controllers to determine the http code that is returned based on result of a service. I use service for actions that write/update the model, and declare functions in models when I want to read specific data with different conditions in said model.

  • @TheMarcelitto
    @TheMarcelitto 3 роки тому

    Just the perfect explination for this topic, thank you!

  • @moauyameghari
    @moauyameghari 3 роки тому +2

    I do the same about seperate the logic from controller to another class, I create a class called InvoiceManager instead of InvoiceService, then I use the same functions from that InvoiceManager class for api and web controllers.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +2

      So yes, it's a service class, just called differently, all good!

  • @GuilhermedosSantosSouzaJúnior

    I wish every english speaker talked like you, I can perfectly understand every word!

  • @JimAtsup
    @JimAtsup 2 роки тому

    I have something observation regarding on using Job with dispatchSync which definitely decrease the execution time of process about 40% instead of puting my logic plainly on controller.

  • @jeremyvanderwegen1467
    @jeremyvanderwegen1467 Рік тому

    What about:
    If you would have a Customer model, that extends CustomerService, and CustomerService extends Eloquent Model. That way you can call a method on the object, for instance $customer->redoVerificationProcess(). No need to put the Customer model in an argument of a service class and no need for auto resolving a service class inside the controller. Also, Customer model will still be tiny and readable for relationships, mutators, scopes etc.

  • @Mohamed.G15
    @Mohamed.G15 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for this useful tutorial

  • @mohamedlaminefall6729
    @mohamedlaminefall6729 3 роки тому +1

    I think service class is better because you can put all the logic of the controller inside the service, that way the controller is getting shorter and more readable

  • @Babaknouri
    @Babaknouri Рік тому

    Very good explanation ✔️✔️

  • @ریحانارشد
    @ریحانارشد Рік тому

    If we follow the SOLID principle then we know that ‘S’ stands for Single Responsibility which means that a class should only be responsible for what it is for. It should never be responsible for any other related actions.
    In this example: Order class should only be responsible for cRUD functionality of orders.
    It shouldn’t have logic for creating an invoice or sending notifications or anything else.
    For these tasks, having service classes is a better solution.
    Again, those who have worked with Spring (Java) knows that you can have Service class which then calls Repository class for database related logic.
    Off-course you can go further to DAO pattern. So from Repository you call the DAO class which then is used for database related logic.

  • @vuenice
    @vuenice 8 місяців тому

    My proposal would be to create helper classes which extends model class, and use services for code that can be used in different projects like TwillioService, StripeService, DownloadPdfService etc

  • @RindiBudiaramdhan040490
    @RindiBudiaramdhan040490 3 роки тому

    so, what I learnt today, there is 3 class that suppose to be create,
    1. Model. Is a config class for integrate to a database class. So we config its fields, relations, and other querys (that already handle by ORM)
    2. Service. Is a set of Actions
    3. Controller is a router to what service we would like to do.
    4. Action is a set of jobs
    5. Jobs is 1 or 2 to do(s)
    Am I right?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Mostly yes. But, depending on specific project, you may have freedom to change this logic if you want.

  • @just_ai_things
    @just_ai_things 2 роки тому +1

    In my opinion, Model should be thin and contains only database configs, accessor and mutators. All database related (for example CRUD) operations should be in the respected Model Repository. Service class will utilize the model repository and do either database operation or external API call.

  • @kingstalker
    @kingstalker 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video Thank you

  • @MocSomething
    @MocSomething Рік тому

    Great video. I know I'm late to the party, but I think throwing and catching Exception isn't such a great idea. Exception is so broad, you may end up catching a completely unrelated exception. I think it's better to throw and catch a more specific exception, like 'InvalidArgumentException' or 'RuntimeException'.

  • @ronaldbaljeu1612
    @ronaldbaljeu1612 3 роки тому +1

    Nice guide. So if you do (heavy) processing but don't need to return anything: use jobs. If you have to return something and you only need 1 method: use actions (but you can use services as well). If you have more than 1 method: use services. One question though. I'm concerned about having a large Services folder with a lot of "miscellaneous" files laying around (not all of them being controller related) and doing impact analysis on these files. When you want to change the behaviour of a service class, how do you track down where it is being used? Do have any thoughts about organizing these files? Should we store controller related service classes in a different location from other service classes?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Without practical example, it's hard to say. But generally, you can structure services into subfolders

  • @thisisthelogic
    @thisisthelogic 3 роки тому

    I totally agree with you!

  • @kirayamato6128
    @kirayamato6128 2 роки тому +1

    In java or groovy, Services class is all about businesses layer and logic. Do the internal logic in service and call it in controller. Controller should not use complicated logic and sql queries, let the service handle it.

  • @heshamghoniem4604
    @heshamghoniem4604 5 місяців тому

    Amazing video, thanks

  • @Adam-uu8dc
    @Adam-uu8dc 2 роки тому +1

    Using invoke in action class is cool, you don't have to remember mething name, action class behave as method itself

  • @Jurigag
    @Jurigag 3 роки тому

    Honestly - just use CQS, it's not so hard pattern, put your reads/queries into query classes(most likely interfaces and some implentations), and create commands and handlers for creating invoice, this way you have most clean code you can have.

  • @OlexaFPV
    @OlexaFPV 2 роки тому

    Thanks! Very useful

  • @OkanUltimatum
    @OkanUltimatum 3 роки тому +1

    All these alternatives imply that in the future their functions will be used elsewhere in the project. But in most cases you don't reuse them anywhere and you end up having these one-off classes / methods which is weird to me. In my opinion these one-off classes or methods should be as close to the "calling-class" as possible, like putting them in traits in the same directory or subdirectory with the caller class and make the caller class use that trait, just like the laravel's base controller uses AuthorizesRequests, DispatchesJobs and ValidatesRequests. But again this is just my optical view and I am definitely confused with all these alternatives.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +2

      No, not necessarily will be used elsewhere, and I don't see anything bad with one-off classes/methods.
      Traits are mostly for REUSABLE things, that you potentially can use in multiple classes.

    • @Jurigag
      @Jurigag 3 роки тому

      That's why the most simplified way to handle this - might be not creating controller, just create callable class and put it like this:
      $router->post('whatever', Cool::class);

  • @tahaabujrad7806
    @tahaabujrad7806 9 місяців тому

    Great Video @Laravel Daily.
    I am using the same structure as you, except that my services contains only static methods instead of regular methods, will having such methods have side effects on the project?
    Another question, Is there a name for this structure of having classes with static methods ?
    Thank you in advance

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  9 місяців тому +1

      Static methods are totally fine if you choose to use them.
      I have a few videos about them: www.youtube.com/@LaravelDaily/search?query=static

  • @coolcha
    @coolcha 3 роки тому

    Wonderfully helpful video again. Is there an artisan command to create the service?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      You probably haven't watched the full video, I mentioned that there isn't.

    • @coolcha
      @coolcha 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily Apologies - I must've missed it. I suppose one could create a custom artisan command for it using your other video ua-cam.com/video/-r3WnYy7g48/v-deo.html right?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Yes if you wish.

  • @muhammadqamarhussain5565
    @muhammadqamarhussain5565 3 роки тому

    Can we use services and action classes in livewire component?

  • @muhammedrafia8881
    @muhammedrafia8881 3 роки тому

    Povilas, how i insert user id through mass assignment in form request.?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      I can't answer that in a short UA-cam comment, without code example

  • @miguelradaza8180
    @miguelradaza8180 Рік тому

    what tools you use for documentation of apis in laravel, can we use swagger in laravel?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  Рік тому

      I like to use Scribe. And you can use swagger, yes, there's a package for it

  • @mahmoudnoufal9276
    @mahmoudnoufal9276 Рік тому

    Thank you so much,

  • @wadecodez
    @wadecodez Рік тому

    I agree with this video however I never use actions. IMO if you want to reuse the same logic in a command, controller, job, etc., then the service should provide commands, controllers, and jobs. It keeps the design close to the framework and it makes your services reusable across projects. With actions, you're instantiating a lot of single use classes which are tightly coupled to your project.
    For example, if I have an action called ProcessUserPaymentMethod, it seems like a concise action. However, as soon as the requirements change to do something like process a team payment method, or to process additional payment methods like wire transfers, now what? Do I continuing writing new action classes for each case, do I add methods to the action class, or do I rewrite what I have into a service?
    My rule of thumb is keep models strictly for data relationships, and model configuration like you said. Use controllers to query the db, delegate logic, and render views. Use services to do all the heavy processing and provide extensions to the framework.

  • @vidhyaprakash85
    @vidhyaprakash85 3 роки тому +1

    Sir,
    In the services class can I define the method as static and call directly using the class name. Is it a good practice? Please let me know.

    • @vasilyya7578
      @vasilyya7578 3 роки тому

      It is not good, because it breaks dependency inversion principle.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Here's a video about it: ua-cam.com/video/q08X7a5VfhE/v-deo.html

  • @AlirezaSalehi-xz3ch
    @AlirezaSalehi-xz3ch 3 роки тому

    very useful channel

  • @msw0629
    @msw0629 3 роки тому

    You are a fantastic teacher!
    Is it too confident to say that just use service? If later on service becoming cumbersome which requires refactor, just separate them using action and job. So service will be only end point that a controller touches?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Can be, yes, it's your personal preference

  • @МиткоЖечев
    @МиткоЖечев 3 роки тому +1

    What about when we have request(create form is submited) should we pass whole request to services method create and return what ?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      No, ideally you should pass only the data that services actually need to work with.

    • @МиткоЖечев
      @МиткоЖечев 3 роки тому +1

      @@LaravelDaily Thanks for the answer, do you have video or link with example

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Search "service" on my channel, quite a few videos about them, not sure if those are the exact examples.
      Also, I have this project: laravelexamples.com/tag/services

  • @RudolfBrudersChannel
    @RudolfBrudersChannel 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the video. What I find troubling about the model way is that for example if you use elastic search without laravel bridge you end up with array of objects not models and in order to use some methods you have to convert these 'virgin' objects to actual laravel model objects. This idea comes from an eshop solution that we coded where using eloquent models for products took up a lot of memory and was not efficient when using elastic so we ended up with custom Product model not connected to laravel base model class at all. This idea came from one of the most senior php devs in team. What do you think about that?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Well, your example is very untypical but realistic. So yes, if you see that any other framework/pattern/structure works better or more performant than default Laravel, then of course you're free to move away from conventions like Eloquent and replace with your own base classes.

    • @RudolfBrudersChannel
      @RudolfBrudersChannel 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily Indeed but personally i find it very challenging because they you need developers who understand also vanilla php and logic behind it not just laravel

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Finding developers is always a challenge :)
      If you take on such non-standard projects, you need non-standard developers :)

    • @RudolfBrudersChannel
      @RudolfBrudersChannel 3 роки тому +2

      @@LaravelDaily for a non standard price, that's why i dont think its worth the few mili seconds and ram MB saving. Rather get better VPS. But that's more business and budget domain :) I rembemr how Jonathan Reinink said that people pick technologies such as elastic even though they are not needed. Laravel mysql eloquent can just find you just have to understand queries and rules for memory saving. Also it's not 2000 anymore when the servers were so expensive and limited i guess.

  • @michaelerwin8744
    @michaelerwin8744 Рік тому

    3:43 I think this is going to be difficult to debug. You won't get the log and full back trace of the error.

  • @sirajul-anik
    @sirajul-anik 3 роки тому

    To my knowledge, you don't throw exceptions from your jobs. Cause, when you throw an exception, the job class gets requeued and pulled later. I rather just delete or early return from the job class.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Yes, with jobs, it's a bit more complicated, in the queue they are handled differently. I just want to make the example that you can use jobs in some cases, but in my particular case it wasn't even a fit, so I didn't proceed with that example.

  • @bw7868
    @bw7868 2 роки тому

    Laravel directory structure itself is far from optimal if you plan to make a big project.
    when it's a big project which has a big business logic, I use the module structure like in Python frameworks i.e., Django.
    This structure for me is the best for big projects, every module has its own views, controllers, models, jobs, events, actions, business logic ..., and you don't have travel back and forth between unlinked directories when you're working on a single module.
    I think Laravel in the future should consider this structure and must be an option while setup to choose this structure if you prefer.

  • @hoomanmirghasemi5773
    @hoomanmirghasemi5773 3 роки тому

    Thanks for your video. Your service class is like Reposetory Design pattern. So it is better to rename it and move to reposetory directory and also making interface and ....

  • @JorgeShimadaBrn
    @JorgeShimadaBrn 2 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing this information, very good video. I agree with you in keeping the business rules into a service or action.
    I couldn't understand one point: if you need to pass the object $orderService as a parameter to the function in the controller, how do you do this in the route or even in the blade side to send it?
    Thanks in advance

  • @misha-pitegorsk
    @misha-pitegorsk 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you very much Sir! Finally, here I found the answer to my question, which I asked many people. I've been using repositories so far and didn't know it was bad practice already. But how do you feel about architectural patterns like Porto, where we have actions and repositories and tasks. And, does it make sense at all to split the project into containers, each of which has its own route, controller, model, and so on. Or such a solution is only good for large projects.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I see things like Porto, Lucid, DDD and others mostly for large projects/teams, for smaller projects it's kind of over-engineering just for the sake of "some" structure.

  • @AksoomHussain7866
    @AksoomHussain7866 Рік тому

    why don't consider observer instead of service for status update or sending notification?

  • @ward7576
    @ward7576 3 роки тому

    Question - if all you do in handling is just responding with certain response, why not just let it bubble up to Handler class and define "render" method there to do the same? IMO, much clearer. Sure, if you want to handle it differently, you can use try/catch.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      It's hard to comment on your theoretical thoughts, without a real full practical example with Handler and render. It depends on the exact situation.

    • @ward7576
      @ward7576 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily In my case, I did a lot of API development where Laravel serves backend for React Native / other mobile stack applications. Usually exception would be handled with JSON response with a certain HTTP code. Usually took shape of extending default Exception class by something like ApiException. It would implement render method that would take injected message and code and transform into response. Since this was for most exceptions, it really cleared up controllers. For those cases where we need something different - yes, then I'd go for try/catch and handle things differently.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Yes, now it makes more sense, with that additional context. Agree to move exception logic to the global handler.

  • @JamesAutoDude
    @JamesAutoDude Рік тому

    If I have multiple roles (admin, company owner, company client); should I have each controller namespace different or should I put it all in one controller and define logic per role?

  • @geneartista9714
    @geneartista9714 3 роки тому

    I would rather use your method of creating a Services directory, it seems more readable and easier to manage than the other two, Do you have a tutorial about PEST?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/jxHVaz3iOiU/v-deo.html here's the video

  • @MrStealthWarrior
    @MrStealthWarrior 3 роки тому

    What about data fetching logic? Should services implement data access on top of Eloquent? Especially if you need a few conditions. Like fetch users who are admins and were created between dates. Or were suspended/deleted. Bloat service with methods for each case? getAdminsCreatedBetween, getDeletedAdmins, getSuspendedAdmins etc. Instead of query builder

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      It depends on the situation. If your service becomes bloat then refactor it, also it looks like Eloquent Scopes in your case.

    • @MrStealthWarrior
      @MrStealthWarrior 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily that's my point, Eloquent + models + scopes give you a lot of good code to use. And if you remove it from controllers - should you implement almost the same thing inside services, if you need data access and some other logic for a resource? Or use both, service for logic and eloquent for a data access in controllers?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      It depends on the situation. My personal experience is that if Controller method has 1-3 actions to make, it's ok to be in Controller, but if it's more complicated - it should be moved "somewhere", and that somewhere depends on what code is moved.

  • @diegomelgar2696
    @diegomelgar2696 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much for what you have said in this video. I am not an expert in DDD but in you personal opinion, I would like to know if there would be some other actions/services that must be disptached o executed from the order invoice, should they be called in the controller one after the other? or can they be called inside the service? which for me makes more sense that a service or services can be called insider other services in order to communicate between each other.
    Nice video Povilas!

    • @diegomelgar2696
      @diegomelgar2696 2 роки тому

      One side note for the last thing I said about communication, this makes the controller cleaner as well.

  • @salmamehanny4030
    @salmamehanny4030 3 роки тому

    what is the best place to put function of rules contain array of validation , basically we put it in the request class
    but what is the best place i can put it ?
    can i put it in the modal class?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      I personally keep them in form request classes, no need to move them anywhere

    • @salmamehanny4030
      @salmamehanny4030 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily nice

  • @dirkk.6828
    @dirkk.6828 3 роки тому

    Hello,
    I am a big fan of your Kannal! I look forward to a new video from you every day. Keep up the good work!
    I still have a question about Laravel: I have several external $_SESSIONs and would pass those to the in a Laravel session -> Session::put('example', $_SESSION['example'].
    Unfortunately I get the message that the variable $_SESSION was not defined.
    Do you have a tip for me?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      I don't remember ever using php session array in Laravel, so no tip from me, sorry

  • @GMP93
    @GMP93 Рік тому

    I think its generally considered bad practice to use exceptions to handle validation errors. Exceptions should be reserved for unexpected errors that should not be handled by the application. I'd change error validations from exceptions to a MessageBag instance in the service class, and then catch the error by controller using MessageBag->errors

  • @kevinpallado9638
    @kevinpallado9638 3 роки тому

    hi what does it do with this line on the part of the character with ` : Invoice ` // public function execute(Order $order) : Invoice

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Just specifies the type that function returns

  • @agusx244
    @agusx244 2 роки тому +1

    validation should go to controller but the logic should go to service in my opinion

  • @QueeeeenZ
    @QueeeeenZ 3 роки тому +1

    But how do you keep your Service class from becoming a "god" object? If you just move all methods from a Model to a Service then that service is now very large - kind of like a place to "dump" all your model related things. So imagine an OrderService class can become huge. How do you avoid that?

    • @audunrundberg9180
      @audunrundberg9180 3 роки тому +2

      If it feels like it’s too much or has too many responsibilities, identify those responsibilities and split into separate classes. Let’s say you have a ProductService that deals with products. Maybe one responsibility is to perform some kind of update, notify someone about that, etc., but another is to generate statistics for a dashboard. So what they have in common is they deal with products, but maybe ProductStatisticsService could be its own class.

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Audun answered that already, so my take is similar: if ANY class (no matter Service, Model or anything else) becomes too large, you split it into smaller classes. For services, some functions may become jobs/actions.
      I probably will shoot a separate video about God-classes, worth separate discussion.

  • @izboli
    @izboli 2 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @devMoemen
    @devMoemen 2 роки тому

    Thanks very nice.

  • @wilhelmtell7530
    @wilhelmtell7530 Місяць тому

    can we use queues in action classes?

  • @mubarmijan8162
    @mubarmijan8162 3 роки тому

    is there an example like this(using Service, Action or Job) for CRUD?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      Not really, but it would be repeating the same or similar logic, just for more methods. Maybe it's worth me creating such example but only as a paid product, would you pay, like, $9 for that?

    • @TechPriest27
      @TechPriest27 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily That would be nice

  • @saravanasai2391
    @saravanasai2391 3 роки тому

    Sir.... This video is really helpful for me..... I request for a Saturday car video to speak about as a beginner. How much knowledge on Core PHP to Master a Laravel or To develop packages in laravel. Its more useful if you add learning path you have added for laravel and the testes like that.... Sry for my bad English sir........ Even any in this community help to find the path to master core PHP..... Thanks in advance

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      To be honest, I would learn the basics of core PHP only (variables, if-statements, loops, OOP - there are thousands of free tutorials online), and then dive into Laravel. I don't think it needs the full video.

  • @wtransporter
    @wtransporter 3 роки тому

    I like all your videos. Thanks for sharing. I don't like controllers with more than 7 base methods, and with long methods. One way to clean controller that I use is FormRequest. Sometimes I transfer responsibility for storing to FormRequest. As a suggestion, I would like to see an example how we can extract bigger filtering (5+ filters has too many if or when statements) of model from controller to Model class or service. Would you recommend something other than scopeFilter for example?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      There are a few packages for filters, search my channel for filters

    • @kenyawap
      @kenyawap 3 роки тому +1

      You could use the built in Pipelines pattern to separate filtering logic into classes that each modify the query then pass command to the next filter class. The pipeline returns a final query which has passed through all the filter classes. To add a filter, simply create a new class and throw it into the pipeline.

  • @rossco5551
    @rossco5551 3 роки тому

    I've never quite got my head around the "auto resolve" you mention at about the 8min mark. Is it only for controller methods that this works? Otherwise how would it not know that $orderService isn't a parameter to be passed in rather than what I understand to be a new blank instantiation of OrderService?

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому

      Read the docs: laravel.com/docs/8.x/container#automatic-injection

    • @rossco5551
      @rossco5551 3 роки тому

      @@LaravelDaily Yes thankyou, always my starting point but I find sentences like "including controllers, event listeners, middleware, AND MORE" fairly useless in understanding the scope of their power. Just something I've never quite got anyway.

  • @kcirerick100
    @kcirerick100 3 роки тому

    What if for example, on my index controller method I have a large query with 30+ lines for listing some table data. In my case this query is being used only in this controller method, so should I create a separate Action/Service only for this logic?

    • @QueeeeenZ
      @QueeeeenZ 3 роки тому +2

      You could create a "Query" class for that large query. Or you can also put it on your model. And I don't think it's wrong to use a Repository pattern either. Your choice.

    • @kcirerick100
      @kcirerick100 3 роки тому

      I've never seen the Query solution, I'll search for that. Thx bro 👍

    • @LaravelDaily
      @LaravelDaily  3 роки тому +1

      It's your choice. If that 30+ lines make it hard for you to read/navigate the Controller, then yes, it should be separated. One of the goals of separating logic from the controller is readability, so any developer in the future could easily browse through controller and read all the methods, then diving into the one they're interested in, by clicking on the exact place with IDE.

  • @kenjohnsiosan9707
    @kenjohnsiosan9707 3 роки тому

    Thank you for another great tutorial Sir..by the way offtopic question, what's the editor extension that you use that prints the parameter name? thanks in advance.
    e.g \Exception(message: 'Order already....')