Hi from Mexico! This is an all round multipurpose RV with a bit of everything. You can make the rear area an office which is cool! Everything is well made and laid out, all wired up for solar from the get go! Again cool! It's the way things are going, as solar is cheap now, and everything is going that route! Everything is comfortable, and quality on this unit. My personal preference is the Ember "Gourmet kitchen on wheels"! Loved that one so much, added it to our playlist; 1st class living! We make videos all subjects, with lots of travel related, from here in Mexico, but worldwide also.
Awesome as ever! Josh does a wonderful job explaining the good and bad features on RV. My husband and I always enjoy watching his videos! I love that he added the floor plan and specifications to the RV he is featuring before he starts talking about it! My husband and I watch other RV videos on UA-cam and his is far most interesting and hitting the fact you wanted to hear! He doesn’t spend five minutes talking about the controls or other useless information! He focuses on main issues majority of customers wanted to know! Like head room in the shower or legs room on the toilet or watching TV from the chair! I love how he shows the cabinets open and if you have access to the bathroom when everything is closed in! I love his personality! You can see that he loves his job!
Hey Uncle Josh I really love what Ember has done with the 191MSL. The bunk area is awesome with the e-track. The different options that you can do is amazing. The euro windows are awesome,when it rains you still can have the windows open. I don't know anything about the new ac unit but if Ember is using it, it has to be an amazing unit. An as always thank you Uncle Josh for everything that you do on giving us the good and the bad on all travel trailers, fifth wheels, and motorhomes. The information is very helpful, thank you. Your number one fan an friend Leonard Nelson from NC.
This is so awesome! I still would prefer this bunkhouse on the dual axle model! But there's soooo much to like and so little to criticize! Ember is knocking it out of the park with creative solutions to the ho hum RV offerings! Thanks!
Great overview Getting ready for retirement. I’ve been watching all your videos since this was introduced. I really appreciate the back cargo space. Leave all of the wall mounts. I would get the sofa and buy an excellent mattress and leave the bed down. I would add a generator. Love the new air conditioner. Ember is really listening to the consumers. ❤
Love the cargo space option! Couldn't tell if there are tie downs to anchor gear. I would ditch the dinette for a sofa or theatre seats. Great option for carrying dog crates/supplies and my wheelchair and power scooter.
Wow! Ordered exactly how I would purchase! Glad to be able to see the dinette which is a must have. Can't they hinge the bathroom door opposite on the dinette version to resolve travel access? If they manage the convection oven they'll have checked all the boxes. Cargo space is just the bomb! I hope on the longer version they leave the bed sofa exactly as is. Would rather see the extra space go to clothing/kitchen storage, kitchen counter space, a little more fresh water, and a larger dinette table. Will keep my fingers crossed for a large propane oven too since I don't really want to light up a portable generator to cook dinner. Thanks again for the great videos!
Ember has a lot to offer, I would seriously look into one if I had the money. I guess if I ever feel good enough to camp again I'll see one in person. May the good news be yours, and keep doing what your doing, you are very good at it.
Sooper Dooper Josh. Looking forward to the day when Ember blows out the length and width to tandem axles and wider cabin. Ember is definitely on the RIGHT TRACK for the Future of Fantastic RV's and I can't wait to see what they offer by 2025. Thank you for being so enthusiastic about Ember's Josh, will in Florida
I would build a removable camp kitchen to put in there. Velcro mesh panels to keep bug out. But be able to put that fridge and griddle in there when I want to
Beautiful. Seems very well thought out. Already really flexible, but hey if you're asking (I am pretending you are). I would love to see a window in the cargo door in the back, or the large side cargo door, or next to the rear cargo door. More light is like more storage. You can't have enough. If you do use as bunks the bottom bunk might like some ventilation. Oh one more thing how about a small screen door on the rear cargo door. I mean if we are going all in let's go all in.
Great floor plan, especially that flexy space area... Except for...The east-west murphy. A show stopper for me and the missus. I really do like that rail system though. Hopefully shows up in more units, manufacturers, etc. Oooohhh. I was just thinking. They should use something like that in a mid-bunkhouse office slideout. You need sleeping? Use the bunk setup. You need a computer space? Use the hard surface? Want a couch? set the hard surface to desired height and have some couch-thickness cushions and wedge backing. And in computer mode, if the typical built in small desk is off to one side, you could set up the flexi-compudesk so that you are seated offset from that built-in. You could then have a couples office/study area.
I love it. I really really do. The dinette works awesome, love it with a dinette. I don't care about the TV, we don't camp to watch TV anyway. I would love to see them add a swivel-type grill/griddle holder that can hang off the rear bumper since the cooker hooker is right there. Honestly, that would be my only wish list. The versatility of the bunk area pretty much hits all my other points all ready. The quad wheel possibility is giving me the good vibes!
Those tracks that hold the beds in the cargo area are the same ones they use in tractor trailers for strapping in freight and for adding a level (decking), they literally hold almost a ton. Should be sturdy lol.
I thought those looked familiar. If they can restrain our pallets on a bouncy truck across state lines, then I can have faith they could support my weight. I like them even more, now.
A Swiss army knife of trailers. Love it. Cool set-up options. Great solar package and with some additional Ember upgrades forthcoming what's not to love.. Oh' the price maybe. Though a high quality trailer for sure.
Yes that’s what I’m talkin bout ❤this unit works for a couple with no kids and this can accommodate 4 wingebangos (plexiglass cages for parrots 🦜 and one hefty little pug just one more tweek convection oven and a electric stove top and put the batteries on a slider underneath the couch this unit is what people with pets need
Oh man you got me excited with the quad wheel option. This one is one of my absolute favorites. I still wish they could do a theater seat or at least the pretend ones where the front just comes up for a leg rest. The convection oven would be great in here. The super picky side of me doesn't like the slide type they are using here, I wish it was rack and pinion, but I don't think that is possible with the wheels and the clearance for the shocks.
nice, a bunk model i would buy on purpose, you coud even set up outside kitchen under desk if wanted for one trip, leave out for next, then make it a closet to hang clothes and shelf for clothes if one of those trips you will be going out to nicer places a lot, or extended work out of town that you may need more clothes than normal....put you a blow up kiddie pool in there, put hose in water to air compressor, and call it a jacuzzi.
Love love love love love Ember RVs maybe someday I'll own one. Also love the flexibility of the movable bunks. You talk about office, all I can think is I want to put one in my backyard and have an outside office.
Saw one just like this in person at overland expo east. Looked great with the hammock, my early teen daughter about moved into it when she saw the hammock. I'll probably go with the one with the bunks as we need them, and I don't want to lose the camp kitchen space, but this is a great option.
Oh man! JOSH! Give Ember a BIG KISS for me! This is my second favorite configuration that Ember could have done!! If I could even trade my 2022 15tb, I’d run out there right now!
Glad to see that the Euro-windows and better stabilizers are actually back, and REALLY HAPPY that Ember bulked up the latches/locks on the EmberTrack side access door AND removed the shelf from the cargo-side of the front gear box so that you can now store bigger items in there!! I'd like to see 12v power extended to the gear box so that you could mount things like a Viair compressor on the storage side of the box. Now I look forward to Ember's switch from GoPower to Victron solar components, and I'd like to see the convection microwave option. But ULTIMATELY, I can't wait for the 221MSL!!!
Like this. The screen area would be a pet friendly plus for sure. I would have to improve on a sturdier screen structure but love the optional bunk area.
Love the concept and floor plan of the MSL models. The flexibility is fantastic. I'd prefer to see the 191 in a double axle configuration for offroad use, with a convection oven and about 12 additional inches of counterspace in the kitchen. I know space is limited, but the prep space and single axle are the only two things that I would change on this model. Long term I'd love to see modular double bunk options and potentially even an outside kitchen module that could mount in that space if folks would prefer. I tow with a midsize truck, and the 221 model is right at the upper bounds of comfort for me to tow with. If this came in a 22-24 ft model, double axle and sub 6500 max weight, I'd buy it.
A strong floor plan and build. For me… Off road Dual Axle is desired. Swap the dinette for a DinOfa sofa, keep everything else the same except make the full Queen size bed north/south and Murphy with that same flat/couch… I’m sold. Ember has my vote and possibly what’s in my wallet/credit.
Hyper color shirts? Convertible bunk areas need to be more common, I swear. I absolutely adore, _adore_ the ability to have a mobile office that can turn into "Imma haul something big" or "ah, geez, sudden humans" space. The versatility feels perfect for following the natural evolution of folks and allows for changes that might otherwise necessitate purchase of a whole new camper or complete walk-away from the trailer life.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh. Oh, no. Oh, that would be a horribly tattle-tale way to tell someone I'm getting heated just by going up a few flights of stairs or mowing the yard, lol. Betrayed by clothing!
I remember the factory reveal you did on this new track system - very nice to see production model. Ember is doing some things that others should take note of. However, a free-floating table might be cheaper to provide and more versatile than that sofa-table. Glad to see they raised the TV up enough not to be a foot-banger. I still like what they're doing with these little campers.
Was thinking put a strap on the inside of that side cargo door so people who are vertically challenged can close the door without having to use a ladder.
I keep finding myself trying to convince myself it's worth trading a new-ish 22MLE for one of these. I just can't quite do it...but it's very tempting. The flex space is a huge bonus, and at a glance the bathroom layout looks like an overall improvement over the 22MLE/17MKE/etc-style corner bathroom.
The cargo door needs a screen door. Coachmen does it on their class c's (Coachmen Cross Trail 22XG). Would make the cargo door perfect for cross breeze ventilation.
It looks like if they reversed the bathroom door hinges you could get access while in travel mode. I would want to have a dead bolt latch for the rear door for a bit of extra security. I would also like to see slam latches on the front pass-through storage area. I like the Truma A/C and think it is a good upgrade even if you never run it from the batteries. I've always thought the dehumidifier mode would be good in cooler weather in keeping interior condensation down while running the heat. We've reached the point where we will probably go with the 201FBQ if they manage to source a convection microwave. We would also need to talk about making the inside/outside cabinet more secure since it has unrestricted access to the inside once the outside door is open.
Similar to the new Jayco prototype (couldn’t find model #). I love this but would not use as a bunk. My grandkids would fall off when sleeping. I would use this full time except for the kitchen space but I’d use the bunk table as a prep space! It could also be pantry space. Also couch or theater seats instead of dinette. Love ❤❤❤❤❤the windows except the door shade, needs to go bottom up like the other windows (safer for single ladies like me).
@@JoshtheRVNerd Similar but it exceeds 5000 towing limit vehicles. The majority of Colorado registered 4x4 SUVs have towing rating of 5000 lbs and Jeep Wranglers 3500 lbs. The only option with proper off paved highway suspension in the 5000 lb category is NO•BO. If Ember used Huck Bolt high strength aluminum RV frames, which are available here in the USA, and other weight savings measures they could be under the 5000 tow rating limits, the sweet spot!
Noticed the mattress on the bunk beds comes out farther than the platform, I'd be on the floor with that sliding off. Cargo area is awesome, don't like the murphy bed, be nice to have option not to have it.
This one is almost perfect with the flex space. One of the reasons I want an RV is to make it easier to travel to conferences with Husband. Dinette space plus desk space in the flex room mean we could have separate spaces for computing while on the road. That east/west bed won't work for us though so I'll keep watching for a dual axel with a north/south bed, a convection oven, and this wonderful flex cargo space.
Amazing. this is such a great combination of features. What's the price range of this? And btw, I would love to see some sort of internet solution. LTE router/hot spot, or at least location/cables/preparation to install one. That would complement the 'office' solution and allow for a cute little on-the-road office.
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Near perfection. Just what I want except with a larger (taller) back door to ramp up a 250cc motor bike. Make the top bunk full width with a half side that folds up 90 degrees and click latches like the front Murphy latch. Raise the back door to the same height as the side large hatch. Missing a pantry just aft of the fridge like seen in previous model. Ill take one with these mods.
Love the modular system! Could you squeeze three bunks in that space??? This could finally be the layout that allows a small camper for families with 3 kids besides the lance 2185. Plus I use my trailer as my home office when we’re not camping.
We've been eager to see each new model that Ember builds. I'd like to know about the type of screen used in that bunk room. We camp with our pup, so my concern is for the durability of the screen material itself. Also, could a restless sleeper kick a hole through it? If it's not as durable as we'd like, is there room around the edge to place a half-height framed hardware cloth type reinforcement? Thinking of my dog's reactions to chipmunks and squirrels :) !!
You'd have to separately kennel/crate a dog because if they're big enough to worry about them putting a foot through it, they're big enough to just push it out of the way. I saw this model a few weeks ago at the Overland Expo and it's strong Velcro around the edges but a medium to large sized dog would have enough force to pull the edges away...which is why you'd need a separate enclosure placed (or built) into that space for them.
Is there LED lighting under awning??? FYI we bought an Apex Remote because of you videos however we put a whole lot of Solar and Lithium upgrades. We are totally interested in this unit Great content btw.
Admiral Uncle Josh! It's me moe. 😊 Quick question here: If the sewer outlet is located at the rear of the unit, how does the black and grey pull valves work with them being way upfront in the water bay area while the kitchen is located in the middle of the coach and the bathroom in the rear? 🤔 That's really scratching the left part of my brain! 😮
You had me at de-humidifer and I wonder if the other TT have them on theirs? As I normally see just units with AC and if that's the case. I don't understand I guess in the RV industry that more company's don't use them from the get go. Or are these a new concept that hasn't quite caught on yet?
I would love to see Ember make their version of a 25 foot long couple double axle RV. A couple of adaptable workstations, a 'pass through' bathroom, maybe a standing workstation, and just for the heck of it...no slide? I'm thinking an RV for a full time minimalist, working, couple that's a little more rugged than an airstream. Call me selfish!
I like this a lot. Definitely needs the convection microwave which I hope works with the max solar pkg. I'd chose the sofa over the dinette. Love that it's a true queen bed that can be full time. My only concern is the cargo capacity seems light if you travel with a full tank of water. Maybe it will increase with quad wheel axels?
Wonder if Ember could offer an optional closet area in the bunk area on the 191 MSL. Maybe just a hanger rod to hang clothes using the track system and use of the bunk beds to place clothes/pantry items into containers with drawers. That way when the bunks are not used one could use it as a closet area. That would allow us to buy the 191 MSL and not have to move up to the 221 MSL and buy larger truck.
Commence broken record: * The bunk cargo deal is awesome. Now expand the offering and do the MSL thing with the no-slide 190 too! * The 190 totally has room to include a 3-burner stove and a propane oven without other modifications, unlike the 191, so they should, you know, do that. * Round kitchen sinks are dumb. Make it rectangular like normal people… * Bendy beds are sad. I’d rather have a solid Full bed than a bendy Queen.
I’m hoping more brands start using a modular system in their cargo bunk models. I could imagine a Jay Feather 24BH or Surveyor 240BHLE with a flex space like this as the perfect camper.
Hi Josh, we've been researching these ember models & after watching so many of your videos (& we appreciate what you do btw!) - we're wondering if you think it could be possible to get the 190MDB with a small table & 2 swivel recliner type chairs instead of that sofa? We would love a little area like a dinette to play cards, games & such & don't want 2 sofas or a slide out...it's odd looking to us. Do you think it's possible?
I had Ember high on my list, the 201fbq is my dream machine. Looked at them this weekend at the Portland RV show. The quality was absolutely awful. Granted it was bad across all brands, I can't believe how many cabinet doors were falling off. Anyway, on the Ember, whoever was running the brad nailer missed all over the place, there were dozens of nails on the outside of the cabinets, the bathroom door frame was wrapped and the trim was falling off. I had higher hopes for Ember but alas they were just as bad as everything else. When I showed the dealer all they said was "it will get taken care of in PDI" wow how much can't be seen that will cause failures not seen in PDI. They would also have to disassemble half the cabinets to put the top nails in properly, I have a feeling all that would be done is cut off what is exposed, squirt some glue in the gaps tape it shut and hope it holds long enough to get out of warranty. They are still at the top of my list but the thrill is gone that they build better.
I noticed much of the same when I looked at a 222MDB last week in Texas. I've seen other Ember models in much better shape. I think there's definitely a quality control issue unfortunately.
I saw an article on slides on travel trailers and looks like my Freedom Express has a happy jack system but you never mentioned how you can override manually it if it fails
Could we please Please! get this exact floor plan in a 221mls???? The extra storage would be the world of change when you take a family of 4 and theire cloths.
The only comfortable option is the sofa especially for TV viewing👍and with the numerous quality standard features that Ember has I am still somewhat disappointed in their tiny 2 burner cooktops, small kitchen sinks and no countertop space🙁
Yeah Ember is different and the price tag reflects that. If you're curious to learn more about what they do under the skin, then you can see here: bit.ly/3QVP8kk
Regarding the new air conditioner: Rockwood also has a new AC model included with their “Power Package” on Geo Pros. This one however *sounds* like it’s a bit nicer than that one (Coleman Mach). * Is that an accurate assessment? * If so, any idea why Rockwood isn’t using this one too? * What would it take and cost to retrofit one like this onto a Geo Pro aftermarket if desired?
I'm not totally familiar with that new air on the rockwood. I know I'm liking everything I see and hear about this Truma unit though Not sure on swaptioning a unit - that's just not part of my sphere of influence. A service team would need to get a quote for that
Up until recently the Truma Aventa A/C units were only available to OEMs. I don't know how accurate this is but the prices I saw floating around were about $2500 for the unit. They do have a free installation going on so that might offset the higher price if you don't install it yourself.
The bunk mode looks narrow (not too wide). Is the a mode where the bunk mode goes completely across the space? I’d be afraid of the kids falling out with the gap.
Make the top bunk full width with a half side that folds up 90 degrees and click latches like the front Murphy latch. Raise the back door to the same height as the side large hatch.
I really want a MSL without the slide. And a booth dinette instead of the two dinofa table seats. 😊 or at least no slide version with the adjustable convertible bunk space. I just dont want the slide. Also with the MAXX solar package too.
Love the versatility with the outside kitchen deleted & easier loading.
Hi from Mexico! This is an all round multipurpose RV with a bit of everything. You can make the rear area an office which is cool! Everything is well made and laid out, all wired up for solar from the get go! Again cool! It's the way things are going, as solar is cheap now, and everything is going that route! Everything is comfortable, and quality on this unit. My personal preference is the Ember "Gourmet kitchen on wheels"! Loved that one so much, added it to our playlist; 1st class living! We make videos all subjects, with lots of travel related, from here in Mexico, but worldwide also.
So close to perfect! Another perk of being able to stand on that box on the tongue is that it makes it easier to clean that sky-light.
Awesome as ever! Josh does a wonderful job explaining the good and bad features on RV.
My husband and I always enjoy watching his videos! I love that he added the floor plan and specifications to the RV he is featuring before he starts talking about it! My husband and I watch other RV videos on UA-cam and his is far most interesting and hitting the fact you wanted to hear! He doesn’t spend five minutes talking about the controls or other useless information! He focuses on main issues majority of customers wanted to know! Like head room in the shower or legs room on the toilet or watching TV from the chair! I love how he shows the cabinets open and if you have access to the bathroom when everything is closed in! I love his personality! You can see that he loves his job!
Ty
You hooked me at the end with the quad wheel updates coming! YES! Can't wait.
Hey Uncle Josh I really love what Ember has done with the 191MSL. The bunk area is awesome with the e-track. The different options that you can do is amazing. The euro windows are awesome,when it rains you still can have the windows open. I don't know anything about the new ac unit but if Ember is using it, it has to be an amazing unit. An as always thank you Uncle Josh for everything that you do on giving us the good and the bad on all travel trailers, fifth wheels, and motorhomes. The information is very helpful, thank you. Your number one fan an friend Leonard Nelson from NC.
Good Morning Josh! Love it when a new video pops up. Great way to start a Sunday!
I don’t RV, but I love watching your channel. This Ember is awesome!
Ty Jorge 😊
💖 ah Ember! They're hitting it out of the park.
Love that bunk/cargo/office/? room!
This is so awesome! I still would prefer this bunkhouse on the dual axle model! But there's soooo much to like and so little to criticize! Ember is knocking it out of the park with creative solutions to the ho hum RV offerings! Thanks!
Great overview
Getting ready for retirement. I’ve been watching all your videos since this was introduced. I really appreciate the back cargo space. Leave all of the wall mounts. I would get the sofa and buy an excellent mattress and leave the bed down. I would add a generator. Love the new air conditioner. Ember is really listening to the consumers. ❤
These are the beat campers. I really like Ember.
Love the cargo space option! Couldn't tell if there are tie downs to anchor gear. I would ditch the dinette for a sofa or theatre seats. Great option for carrying dog crates/supplies and my wheelchair and power scooter.
What a cool little trailer!
Wow! Ordered exactly how I would purchase! Glad to be able to see the dinette which is a must have. Can't they hinge the bathroom door opposite on the dinette version to resolve travel access? If they manage the convection oven they'll have checked all the boxes. Cargo space is just the bomb!
I hope on the longer version they leave the bed sofa exactly as is. Would rather see the extra space go to clothing/kitchen storage, kitchen counter space, a little more fresh water, and a larger dinette table. Will keep my fingers crossed for a large propane oven too since I don't really want to light up a portable generator to cook dinner. Thanks again for the great videos!
Bath door could possibly be flipped.. lol
Ember has a lot to offer, I would seriously look into one if I had the money. I guess if I ever feel good enough to camp again I'll see one in person. May the good news be yours, and keep doing what your doing, you are very good at it.
TY Steve :)
Sooper Dooper Josh. Looking forward to the day when Ember blows out the length and width to tandem axles and wider cabin. Ember is definitely on the RIGHT TRACK for the Future of Fantastic RV's and I can't wait to see what they offer by 2025. Thank you for being so enthusiastic about Ember's Josh, will in Florida
I would build a removable camp kitchen to put in there. Velcro mesh panels to keep bug out. But be able to put that fridge and griddle in there when I want to
They took exceptional and made it even better. This is truly a rare game-changing RV.
The looks of their trailers are slowly growing on me. Looking forward to see what they do in the future!
Beautiful. Seems very well thought out. Already really flexible, but hey if you're asking (I am pretending you are). I would love to see a window in the cargo door in the back, or the large side cargo door, or next to the rear cargo door. More light is like more storage. You can't have enough. If you do use as bunks the bottom bunk might like some ventilation. Oh one more thing how about a small screen door on the rear cargo door. I mean if we are going all in let's go all in.
Great floor plan, especially that flexy space area... Except for...The east-west murphy. A show stopper for me and the missus. I really do like that rail system though. Hopefully shows up in more units, manufacturers, etc.
Oooohhh. I was just thinking. They should use something like that in a mid-bunkhouse office slideout. You need sleeping? Use the bunk setup. You need a computer space? Use the hard surface? Want a couch? set the hard surface to desired height and have some couch-thickness cushions and wedge backing.
And in computer mode, if the typical built in small desk is off to one side, you could set up the flexi-compudesk so that you are seated offset from that built-in. You could then have a couples office/study area.
Words is hard! 😂
Another great review Josh.
Words ARE hard man
I love it. I really really do. The dinette works awesome, love it with a dinette. I don't care about the TV, we don't camp to watch TV anyway.
I would love to see them add a swivel-type grill/griddle holder that can hang off the rear bumper since the cooker hooker is right there. Honestly, that would be my only wish list. The versatility of the bunk area pretty much hits all my other points all ready.
The quad wheel possibility is giving me the good vibes!
If the rear door was a ramp that would perfect.
Love the cargo space!
Those tracks that hold the beds in the cargo area are the same ones they use in tractor trailers for strapping in freight and for adding a level (decking), they literally hold almost a ton. Should be sturdy lol.
Yeah they’re not the weakest kin in the chain for sure
I thought those looked familiar. If they can restrain our pallets on a bouncy truck across state lines, then I can have faith they could support my weight. I like them even more, now.
damn I may have found my retirement forever home!! they did things in that cargo space I couldn't have visualized. thank you!
They make a bigger version too! m.ua-cam.com/video/GkYOUCQBP7I/v-deo.html
A Swiss army knife of trailers. Love it. Cool set-up options. Great solar package and with some additional Ember upgrades forthcoming what's not to love.. Oh' the price maybe. Though a high quality trailer for sure.
Love this setup! Holding out and hoping for a 4 wheel version!
221MSL
Yes that’s what I’m talkin bout ❤this unit works for a couple with no kids and this can accommodate 4 wingebangos (plexiglass cages for parrots 🦜 and one hefty little pug just one more tweek convection oven and a electric stove top and put the batteries on a slider underneath the couch this unit is what people with pets need
Man,I love Ember! Thanks again Josh! And Ember still needs more CCC!
Oh man you got me excited with the quad wheel option.
This one is one of my absolute favorites. I still wish they could do a theater seat or at least the pretend ones where the front just comes up for a leg rest. The convection oven would be great in here. The super picky side of me doesn't like the slide type they are using here, I wish it was rack and pinion, but I don't think that is possible with the wheels and the clearance for the shocks.
You’re correct on the rack and pinion! I am impressed with your understanding of those fine details!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I keep watching you 😁
nice, a bunk model i would buy on purpose, you coud even set up outside kitchen under desk if wanted for one trip, leave out for next, then make it a closet to hang clothes and shelf for clothes if one of those trips you will be going out to nicer places a lot, or extended work out of town that you may need more clothes than normal....put you a blow up kiddie pool in there, put hose in water to air compressor, and call it a jacuzzi.
Love love love love love Ember RVs maybe someday I'll own one. Also love the flexibility of the movable bunks. You talk about office, all I can think is I want to put one in my backyard and have an outside office.
Saw one just like this in person at overland expo east. Looked great with the hammock, my early teen daughter about moved into it when she saw the hammock. I'll probably go with the one with the bunks as we need them, and I don't want to lose the camp kitchen space, but this is a great option.
Makes me want to rethink back to a towable!!
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Oh man! JOSH! Give Ember a BIG KISS for me! This is my second favorite configuration that Ember could have done!! If I could even trade my 2022 15tb, I’d run out there right now!
I just called their product manager.. he said he would rather I didn't kiss him? LOL :)
Glad to see that the Euro-windows and better stabilizers are actually back, and REALLY HAPPY that Ember bulked up the latches/locks on the EmberTrack side access door AND removed the shelf from the cargo-side of the front gear box so that you can now store bigger items in there!! I'd like to see 12v power extended to the gear box so that you could mount things like a Viair compressor on the storage side of the box.
Now I look forward to Ember's switch from GoPower to Victron solar components, and I'd like to see the convection microwave option. But ULTIMATELY, I can't wait for the 221MSL!!!
Like this one Josh and I have an Ember dealership about 30 miles away from where I live.
Forget the bunks....that would be a great spot for a small desk and chair to do a little work or gaming from. Very awesome.
That’s what’s cool about this one - it’s whatever you want it to be and doesn’t require mods
The dinette just seems like a better option than two seats of sofas. They still got the door blinds the wrong way
Like this. The screen area would be a pet friendly plus for sure. I would have to improve on a sturdier screen structure but love the optional bunk area.
Cool idea!
Love the concept and floor plan of the MSL models. The flexibility is fantastic. I'd prefer to see the 191 in a double axle configuration for offroad use, with a convection oven and about 12 additional inches of counterspace in the kitchen. I know space is limited, but the prep space and single axle are the only two things that I would change on this model. Long term I'd love to see modular double bunk options and potentially even an outside kitchen module that could mount in that space if folks would prefer.
I tow with a midsize truck, and the 221 model is right at the upper bounds of comfort for me to tow with. If this came in a 22-24 ft model, double axle and sub 6500 max weight, I'd buy it.
Take a look at this m.ua-cam.com/video/GkYOUCQBP7I/v-deo.html
While I prefer double axle trailers, this is one single axle type that I would own. It has great versatility and very well appointed. Nice indeed.
A strong floor plan and build.
For me… Off road Dual Axle is desired. Swap the dinette for a DinOfa sofa, keep everything else the same except make the full Queen size bed north/south and Murphy with that same flat/couch…
I’m sold. Ember has my vote and possibly what’s in my wallet/credit.
Very nice… definitely would like to get a MISSLE!!!! lol. Another great video
Hyper color shirts?
Convertible bunk areas need to be more common, I swear. I absolutely adore, _adore_ the ability to have a mobile office that can turn into "Imma haul something big" or "ah, geez, sudden humans" space. The versatility feels perfect for following the natural evolution of folks and allows for changes that might otherwise necessitate purchase of a whole new camper or complete walk-away from the trailer life.
Hypercolor were Heat changing shirts
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh. Oh, no. Oh, that would be a horribly tattle-tale way to tell someone I'm getting heated just by going up a few flights of stairs or mowing the yard, lol. Betrayed by clothing!
I remember the factory reveal you did on this new track system - very nice to see production model. Ember is doing some things that others should take note of. However, a free-floating table might be cheaper to provide and more versatile than that sofa-table. Glad to see they raised the TV up enough not to be a foot-banger. I still like what they're doing with these little campers.
Was thinking put a strap on the inside of that side cargo door so people who are vertically challenged can close the door without having to use a ladder.
I keep finding myself trying to convince myself it's worth trading a new-ish 22MLE for one of these. I just can't quite do it...but it's very tempting.
The flex space is a huge bonus, and at a glance the bathroom layout looks like an overall improvement over the 22MLE/17MKE/etc-style corner bathroom.
Make those double/double bunks😊
I'm really impressed! What size vehicle to pull it?
I see owners with mid size pickups and above. A tow package mid size pickup could get sketchy in high winds though
So when is Ember going to start making a toy hauler?! I watch this video and think this would be EPIC with a patio deck!!
Hopefully soon
The cargo door needs a screen door. Coachmen does it on their class c's (Coachmen Cross Trail 22XG). Would make the cargo door perfect for cross breeze ventilation.
The big side door has one but that’s a fair point
Great video, great trailer. I love the layout but would prefer dual axles.
It looks like if they reversed the bathroom door hinges you could get access while in travel mode.
I would want to have a dead bolt latch for the rear door for a bit of extra security. I would also like to see slam latches on the front pass-through storage area.
I like the Truma A/C and think it is a good upgrade even if you never run it from the batteries. I've always thought the dehumidifier mode would be good in cooler weather in keeping interior condensation down while running the heat.
We've reached the point where we will probably go with the 201FBQ if they manage to source a convection microwave. We would also need to talk about making the inside/outside cabinet more secure since it has unrestricted access to the inside once the outside door is open.
I think you’re right on that bath door
Similar to the new Jayco prototype (couldn’t find model #). I love this but would not use as a bunk. My grandkids would fall off when sleeping. I would use this full time except for the kitchen space but I’d use the bunk table as a prep space! It could also be pantry space. Also couch or theater seats instead of dinette. Love ❤❤❤❤❤the windows except the door shade, needs to go bottom up like the other windows (safer for single ladies like me).
The Truma A/C is awesome!
Ember needs to offer a Geo/E-Pro 19FD floor plan clone with all the superior Ember features & benefits.
That's this one bit.ly/3umoR5h
@@JoshtheRVNerd Similar but it exceeds 5000 towing limit vehicles. The majority of Colorado registered 4x4 SUVs have towing rating of 5000 lbs and Jeep Wranglers 3500 lbs.
The only option with proper off paved highway suspension in the 5000 lb category is NO•BO.
If Ember used Huck Bolt high strength aluminum RV frames, which are available here in the USA, and other weight savings measures they could be under the 5000 tow rating limits, the sweet spot!
Noticed the mattress on the bunk beds comes out farther than the platform, I'd be on the floor with that sliding off.
Cargo area is awesome, don't like the murphy bed, be nice to have option not to have it.
Steve!!!
Was hoping you would have shown the hammock.
If you go back to the factory tour video where he showed the early prototype of this, that has one of the Ember execs in a hammock.
This one is almost perfect with the flex space. One of the reasons I want an RV is to make it easier to travel to conferences with Husband. Dinette space plus desk space in the flex room mean we could have separate spaces for computing while on the road.
That east/west bed won't work for us though so I'll keep watching for a dual axel with a north/south bed, a convection oven, and this wonderful flex cargo space.
Just wait.. I have a bigger version of this coming you might like with a north/south bed
@@JoshtheRVNerd Sounds wonderful!
Amazing. this is such a great combination of features. What's the price range of this?
And btw, I would love to see some sort of internet solution. LTE router/hot spot, or at least location/cables/preparation to install one. That would complement the 'office' solution and allow for a cute little on-the-road office.
We keep pricing on our site for anything in stock. I am not well in tune with the going rate of things as I am not in sales
Literally about to buy this.
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"Steve the Stove-top" LOL
It’s official!
All great except east/west bed
Yes. That is incredibly surprising and dissapointing. If it is facilitate the bed being open with the slide in, then I can live without that feature.
Near perfection. Just what I want except with a larger (taller) back door to ramp up a 250cc motor bike. Make the top bunk full width with a half side that folds up 90 degrees and click latches like the front Murphy latch. Raise the back door to the same height as the side large hatch. Missing a pantry just aft of the fridge like seen in previous model. Ill take one with these mods.
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SLAAAAM DUNK!
Love the modular system! Could you squeeze three bunks in that space??? This could finally be the layout that allows a small camper for families with 3 kids besides the lance 2185. Plus I use my trailer as my home office when we’re not camping.
A classic way of doing that is to add an extra mattress onto the floor. Then you have an easy triple bunk
We've been eager to see each new model that Ember builds. I'd like to know about the type of screen used in that bunk room. We camp with our pup, so my concern is for the durability of the screen material itself. Also, could a restless sleeper kick a hole through it? If it's not as durable as we'd like, is there room around the edge to place a half-height framed hardware cloth type reinforcement? Thinking of my dog's reactions to chipmunks and squirrels :) !!
You'd have to separately kennel/crate a dog because if they're big enough to worry about them putting a foot through it, they're big enough to just push it out of the way. I saw this model a few weeks ago at the Overland Expo and it's strong Velcro around the edges but a medium to large sized dog would have enough force to pull the edges away...which is why you'd need a separate enclosure placed (or built) into that space for them.
I don’t think it would hold back a squirrel hating dog lol
Is there LED lighting under awning???
FYI we bought an Apex Remote because of you videos however we put a whole lot of Solar and Lithium upgrades.
We are totally interested in this unit
Great content btw.
Awning lighting is right along the base strip
We saw these at the Hersey show. Really didn't find them for us. They are nice but just not our cup of coffee. Thank for your hard work.
Totally fair! I've never found any rv everyone likes. I appreciate you watching and sharing without being a troll about it though! TY :)
Admiral Uncle Josh! It's me moe. 😊 Quick question here: If the sewer outlet is located at the rear of the unit, how does the black and grey pull valves work with them being way upfront in the water bay area while the kitchen is located in the middle of the coach and the bathroom in the rear? 🤔
That's really scratching the left part of my brain! 😮
Similar to how a switch works across the room from a light
Basically they can route a cable
You had me at de-humidifer and I wonder if the other TT have them on theirs? As I normally see just units with AC and if that's the case. I don't understand I guess in the RV industry that more company's don't use them from the get go. Or are these a new concept that hasn't quite caught on yet?
Winnebago FLX has the Truma air
More brands are starting to use them
It wasn't more widespread before because winnebago had something like a 1 year exclusivity in north america on them that's now expired
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh for answering that question!
We're looking to switch from our 31ft bunkhouse camper to a
Maybe try this one m.ua-cam.com/video/0CLhcR4GW_M/v-deo.html
Is the bathroom sink porcelain? Why no privacy curtain for the queen bed?
Curtain would be my first order of business.
I would love to see Ember make their version of a 25 foot long couple double axle RV. A couple of adaptable workstations, a 'pass through' bathroom, maybe a standing workstation, and just for the heck of it...no slide? I'm thinking an RV for a full time minimalist, working, couple that's a little more rugged than an airstream. Call me selfish!
Just wait... I might know a few things coming down the pipeline
Stevie the stovetop really reminds me of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy.
hah!
I like this a lot. Definitely needs the convection microwave which I hope works with the max solar pkg. I'd chose the sofa over the dinette. Love that it's a true queen bed that can be full time. My only concern is the cargo capacity seems light if you travel with a full tank of water. Maybe it will increase with quad wheel axels?
Max solar will run the fridge and everything else
Wonder if Ember could offer an optional closet area in the bunk area on the 191 MSL. Maybe just a hanger rod to hang clothes using the track system and use of the bunk beds to place clothes/pantry items into containers with drawers. That way when the bunks are not used one could use it as a closet area. That would allow us to buy the 191 MSL and not have to move up to the 221 MSL and buy larger truck.
I think their biggest challenge is how many cool ideas people offer them
Commence broken record:
* The bunk cargo deal is awesome. Now expand the offering and do the MSL thing with the no-slide 190 too!
* The 190 totally has room to include a 3-burner stove and a propane oven without other modifications, unlike the 191, so they should, you know, do that.
* Round kitchen sinks are dumb. Make it rectangular like normal people…
* Bendy beds are sad. I’d rather have a solid Full bed than a bendy Queen.
"broken record" lol
I've been vocal with them about squaring up the sink
I’m hoping more brands start using a modular system in their cargo bunk models. I could imagine a Jay Feather 24BH or Surveyor 240BHLE with a flex space like this as the perfect camper.
Ditch the dinette - give me a theater seat. No to Murphy Bed and I would turn the bunk room into a office.
Hi Josh, we've been researching these ember models & after watching so many of your videos (& we appreciate what you do btw!) - we're wondering if you think it could be possible to get the 190MDB with a small table & 2 swivel recliner type chairs instead of that sofa? We would love a little area like a dinette to play cards, games & such & don't want 2 sofas or a slide out...it's odd looking to us. Do you think it's possible?
Not currently. Ember doesn’t have those chairs in their parts list from any suppliers
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh.
security question, as a woman who travels alone sometimes - how do secure max the half doors?
The rear door has a deadbolt. The big side door has key locks
Sadly no RV is really a fortress
I had Ember high on my list, the 201fbq is my dream machine. Looked at them this weekend at the Portland RV show. The quality was absolutely awful. Granted it was bad across all brands, I can't believe how many cabinet doors were falling off. Anyway, on the Ember, whoever was running the brad nailer missed all over the place, there were dozens of nails on the outside of the cabinets, the bathroom door frame was wrapped and the trim was falling off. I had higher hopes for Ember but alas they were just as bad as everything else. When I showed the dealer all they said was "it will get taken care of in PDI" wow how much can't be seen that will cause failures not seen in PDI. They would also have to disassemble half the cabinets to put the top nails in properly, I have a feeling all that would be done is cut off what is exposed, squirt some glue in the gaps tape it shut and hope it holds long enough to get out of warranty.
They are still at the top of my list but the thrill is gone that they build better.
I noticed much of the same when I looked at a 222MDB last week in Texas. I've seen other Ember models in much better shape. I think there's definitely a quality control issue unfortunately.
I saw an article on slides on travel trailers and looks like my Freedom Express has a happy jack system but you never mentioned how you can override manually it if it fails
I believe you can get to it from underneath the slide but I'm actually drawing a blank right now. Apologies
Quick question, what are your thoughts on the being towed by something like a Ford Expedition?
With tow pkg should be fine
Love this but needs 2 axels . Don't want to have a blow out and sitting by side of road cause I can't limp to next exit to fix
Good news... they make that too! See here ua-cam.com/video/GkYOUCQBP7I/v-deo.html
Would like to see an "L" shape dinet with swing out table and a Toaster oven instead of the burners.
Could we please Please! get this exact floor plan in a 221mls???? The extra storage would be the world of change when you take a family of 4 and theire cloths.
Hang tight..
Thank you!!
Josh, could this have tripple bunks and are they rolling this bunk system into other models?
It’s in the works
How about a 221 msl with no slide, no side door, 8' wide and an oversize rear door like 36 or 40" wide.
Rumor is they have the beginnings of a prototype underway..
The only comfortable option is the sofa especially for TV viewing👍and with the numerous quality standard features that Ember has I am still somewhat disappointed in their tiny 2 burner cooktops, small kitchen sinks and no countertop space🙁
Very nice but ouch on the price...
Yeah Ember is different and the price tag reflects that. If you're curious to learn more about what they do under the skin, then you can see here: bit.ly/3QVP8kk
What about putting 2 mountain bikes in the storage area in the back. Would they fit?
Maybe if the front wheel was taken off
What Josh said and depends on the mountain bike. The cargo area is 74" long. My medium bikes fit in my 78" truck bed but not with much extra room.
Regarding the new air conditioner:
Rockwood also has a new AC model included with their “Power Package” on Geo Pros. This one however *sounds* like it’s a bit nicer than that one (Coleman Mach).
* Is that an accurate assessment?
* If so, any idea why Rockwood isn’t using this one too?
* What would it take and cost to retrofit one like this onto a Geo Pro aftermarket if desired?
I'm not totally familiar with that new air on the rockwood. I know I'm liking everything I see and hear about this Truma unit though
Not sure on swaptioning a unit - that's just not part of my sphere of influence. A service team would need to get a quote for that
Up until recently the Truma Aventa A/C units were only available to OEMs. I don't know how accurate this is but the prices I saw floating around were about $2500 for the unit. They do have a free installation going on so that might offset the higher price if you don't install it yourself.
The bunk mode looks narrow (not too wide). Is the a mode where the bunk mode goes completely across the space? I’d be afraid of the kids falling out with the gap.
Full size bunks aren’t available on these. They aren’t easily able to be put in or out of that removable system without digging up the walls
@@JoshtheRVNerd I can see that. There is a version though with full size bunks though. Correct? Or am I mistaken? Nice looking rig.
@@MoutainGuyAdventures The permanent bunks in the MDB are wider (to the other wall), yes. It’s just the removable ones in the MSL that are narrow.
@@TonyYarusso Thanks. That is what I was thinking. Good news.
Make the top bunk full width with a half side that folds up 90 degrees and click latches like the front Murphy latch. Raise the back door to the same height as the side large hatch.
I really want a MSL without the slide. And a booth dinette instead of the two dinofa table seats. 😊 or at least no slide version with the adjustable convertible bunk space. I just dont want the slide. Also with the MAXX solar package too.
A lot of folks asking for that setup... hopefully they have something in the works