“Tradition frees us from the slavery of novelty” (37:40). 🎤 dropped! This talk is now one of my favorites on “Pints”. The entire show was totally educational and worth listening all the way through. I really wish you could add a “cheat sheet” with references/resources of what y’all discussed!
Thanks for the show Matt! It was always great and glad for the diversity! Hopefully you can get a Syro Malabar priest one day and talk about the faith in India! GOD BLESS
During all of covid my family went to a maronite church because we are lebanese and the priest there continued to give us the sacraments through the whole thing. We are so indebted to him. We are roman catholics still despite the fact that we are part lebanese.
We, too, discovered a Maronite Catholic parish (across the border into the next state) which remained open during all the covid parish closures. I am eternally grateful to the priest who continued to provide a beautiful Liturgy, excellent preaching & the sacramental mysteries to the Faithful... which is why I'm still there every Sunday morning. :)
Therese dixon have you ever read this letter that I discovered recently of( lebanese orthodox UN human rights drafter ) Charles Malik to the Maronites? Pdf
@@bloodoranges2631 I had not read that but I skimmed through it... I also believe that the Maronite Church was definitely given something special. The maronite church I went to and the maronite churches in the west have certainly adopted some western practices (I assume after Vatican 2). I would like to experience the maronite Liturgy as it was before vatican 2 and the adoption of western church practices. I still appreciate that the maronites did not dramatically change their liturgy like the roman catholic rite.
Ektachaft min jdiid ino islem lebnen mes7iin siitna bil ard bi Australia! Hachalo el masi7ie min lebnen bi sababoun w hala2 le72inoun 3a Australia la ymarmgho siitna bil ard! Warana warana! El masi7e el Lebanese ma lezem yerte7 la bi ardo wala barra! Leh el australe ra7 yfarre2 Beyn massi7e w mislem ! 3indo Lebanese w bas! 3am chouf chou 3emliin hal islem bi sem3etna bi Australia chi bechayyeb cha3r el ras! Ya 3eyb el choum! Chou hal msibbe hey el nezleh 3alayna! Hal lezem n3iich bil gherbe b3iid 3an ardna bsabab hel islem el m7awliin 3iichetna ja7iim wel siyesiyiin el Judases el masi7ie a2de2 chaabna! Ne7na wein serna! El Yom lebnen bsabab Iran hizbollah w Israel souria wil 3erben w 3a rassoun America 3abadit el chyatiin wil foujour , sar 80% min lebneniye ta7t khatt el fo2er! Nehbiin kil kil wadaye3na w karametna! Ja7iim la yantahi! Ya Allah weinak
I came back into the Church largely due to the apostolate of Latin Mass communities and discovering the reverence and beauty of the Latin Mass has greatly contributed to my faith life. It's already been 4 years of my conversion from Atheism to Catholicism and I don't know where I'd be without Our Lord, had I continued to be an Atheist. My life was a mess and God was so providential in showing me the wonders of the Mass. Because of the fruits that God has operated in my own life through these apostolates, when I heard of the news regarding the restrictions on TLM I felt almost hopeless, fatherless. It felt like we were abandoned by the Holy Father and by the local bishop, since after TC, our group, that had promoted the celebration of TLM for over 5 years, was basically shunned by the diocese. Although I understand the concerns of the pope for writing that document, I found the statements of the document to be out of line with the reality of the potential problems of "disunity" within the apostolates, especially after seeing the great fruits that the presence of TLM had made, not only in my own diocese, but also all throughout Brazil. The Masses were filled with young people, young families, older people, seminarians, religious, traditionals, charismatics, life-long Catholics, converts, ex-atheists, and the list goes on. The lines to confession were large, and the Church was full. We also happened to be one of the most diverse communities of the diocese because we congregated many "groups" of the Church, and that was due to the fact that they were all yearning to learn more about the liturgical patrimony of the Roman Rite. But this video grave me great hope for the future. The interview was great, thank you Matt for making such great content and thank you father Jason Charron for being such a faithful priest during these difficult times. The advice that you gave for traditional Catholics was great, and the historical examples of the UGCC that you gave were very inspiring, and gave me great hope. "These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." (John 16:33)
In Hungary even in the 1950s( when I was a child) I heard people (adults and children) say to a priests in the street "Glory to Jesus Christ" "Glory to the Lord" or just "Glory" and the response was "For ever and ever".... I am talking about Catholics here.....
One thing that I am seeing as Sacramentalist Protestant, being torn between the Eastern and Western expressions of faith, is an acknowledgment that each side is lacking a facet of its full expression. Both lungs long to breathe together.
There’s two ways they can eventually do that. I’ve chosen the alternative, to be Western Rite Orthodox. I do not believe that the only way is possible anymore.
@@eldermillennial8330 I'm not a fan of the current Western Rite. What I have personally experienced has been former Anglicans larping as Orthodox. That is not a sleight against the movement as whole. I pray that it is able to find its footing and be a spiritual force to be reckoned with.
@@alexwarstler9000 I've noticed the same thing as well. Just my two cents. I'm Roman Catholic, but I have serious leanings toward Orthodox Catholicism.
So glad I came back to catch up on what I missed. I had no idea about eastern Catholics being mistreated by an Irish American Roman Catholic bishop historically. Father's words at 1:04:35 struck me deeply.
He didn’t mention that (Orthodox Saint) Tikhon of Moscow was the ArchBishop of San Francisco at the time and was the one to welcome in all 200,000. He was no opponent of Western Liturgy, however, having a collaboration with Joseph Julian Overbeck to make Orthodox versions of the Latin, Sarum and Anglican Masses for any Westerners seeking to become Orthodox, but like the Ukrainians. Wanting to keep their Western Rite traditions.Tikhon was later Martyred by the Bolsheviks. Some Orthodox who suspect that Fatima was a real apparition (a CONTROVERSIAL position for any Orthodox to have) note that Tikhon was kidnapped by Lenin’s goons within a day or two of the Third Secret being given to the children. The crux of the Orthodox case for Fatima is that “The Bishop In White” makes FAR more sense as Tikhon than as JP2.
Father should definitely read The Lord of the Rings. His last statement reminded me of my favorite line from the book: “Frodo: I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened. Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
This is a great program I am a Traditional catholic I have a Great love for the byzantine Rite and have for years manly because of the Early Church Fathers. As a side note my last name is actually Charron du Charme. God Bless and Mary Love you and your work
Great interview! Praise God for you both! I shared the video on Twitter with the following comment: Excellent. Best part starts with question at 1:24:20 in the video. The "money quote" comes at 1:33:00: "Let's stop complaining. Let's get down to the work that need to be done. The world is thirsting for saints. And this is our day." - Fr. Jason Charron
1:32:00 Talking about not putting trust in the princes of men, but in Jesus Christ when feeling let down or betrayed by your priests, bishops and cardinals brought (ugly) tears to my eyes. I pray that this can be true for the larger church as a whole. We haven't had to undergo true persecution but have felt abandoned and disappointed so often that it feels hopeless at times. Thank you for likening this to the Ukranian church and it's faithful experience. ❤❤
Wonderful talk...I was really moved by this amazing and very insightful Priest. Btw, I'm Irish and I'm really sorry about the Bishop with Irish heritage that treated those people badly. I think this priest articulated very well how important unity and communion are...they're bigger than any one priest or bishop or pope. Here in Ireland we were persecuted for remaining in the Catholic Church rather than becoming Anglican and like Father said Priests offered Mass in the wilderness on rocks and hidden by hedges, so yes we know what it's like to understand why unity is important and was the prayer of Our Lord Jesus Himself. Let them be 'One' - Amen. This is perhaps why I get a shiver up my spine sometimes when I hear the dreadful things said about our Pope with little or no investigation or understanding from some inside the Church. I find it divisive and uncharitable sometimes..This wonderful Priest is doing what the vast majority of Catholic priests, bishops and indeed lay people etc are doing. .....they're not casting eyes here and there they are just getting on with the work. Thank you Father, and God bless you 🙏
Excellent interview! You should put the Latin preface from the traditional Mass next to the prayer that father read, they both follow the same structure and are each steeped in their respective cultural traditions.
High church and charismatic prayer comparison was so beautiful! I love it. You can't put the Almighty in a box. Praised be Jesus Christ! But we've got ALL of HIM in HIS ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH as she breathes from her 2 lungs!! I remember Fr. Jason from St. Elias in Brampton.
You should make a clip from 26:33 to 30:12 when Fr. Charron explains why he is Eastern Catholic instead of Eastern Orthodox and entitle it: “Why the Catholic Church is THE MOST catholic church.”
Really enjoyed Fr Charron's explanation and sharing. I believe that Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum did include provisions for churches sui iuris in the US in response to the flood of migrant workers of particular ethnicities entering the US as a result of industrialisation and as economic refugees. But how diocesan bishops responded is another matter, of course. On the point of local (national) churches which remained in communion with Rome in-spite of government persecution, the development of the Korean Catholic church and their martyrs should also be noted. Fr Charron is correct to mention the Catholic Church in China vs that of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, although lines are more blurred now. The Redemptorist and Franciscan martyrs of Ukraine deserve a mention, too. 🕊🥃🥃
As an Eastern-Orthodox who grow up in America non religious but spent 5 years in protestants denomination I think West Rite Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholicism are two very big answers to reevangalising the west and healing the schism of the east and west. Pray for all of us, pray for the healing of the schism, pray for the resignation of faith in the west. Pray for those in the Ukrainan and Russia Pray for the Near and Mddle East Pray for peace and the joy for Christ and the healing of Christ to be with us all. Please pray for our bishop's and we will pray for yours.
Forgive the ignorance of my following questions dear ones. I am a traditional Roman Catholic who absolutely loves the Divine Liturgy. I live in East Central PA, so am blessed to live near many Eastern Catholic churches. I frequently attend both Ukrainian and Ruthenian Liturgies. I have noticed some differences. Can anyone explain them to me? For instance, more kneeling in the Ukrainian church (virtually none in the Ruthenian). Praying the Holy Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy also seem more common in the Ukrainian churches. (Again, this is simply my observation). I understand that the Ukrainian church came to union with Rome before the Ruthenians. I would never use the word "better", but is one Liturgy more traditional than the other? Or perhaps the differences I am seeing are matters of individual parishes? Thank you and may God bless you all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Dang Matt, you described ALMOST exactly my position right now with regards to Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Catholicism pulled me away from Protestantism, and Orthodoxy pulled me away from Catholicism (though I still love Catholicism for a lot of reasons), but there are so many freaking conversion videos that make it seem so clear cut. Truth be told, I am mostly convinced by Orthodoxy with the exception of Palamism and Thomism. Both seem so beneficial to me and it just doesn't seem clear at all what I'm to make of them. Beyond that, Orthodoxy has provided such a clear understanding of what a Christian is to be and to live that I'm not sure that I can resist going through Catechism there. Bless ya Matt and Fr. Charron.
Did you watch Matt's video with Fr. Totleben? "Can Palamism and Thomism be Reconciled? W/ Fr. Peter Totleben, O.P." He also did a show on Reason and Theology, and wrote a dissertation you can find. I hope this helps!
The conversions you are talking about are probably due to the state of the Catholic Church at the current moment more than anything. Not a good reason to leave Catholicism. The grass is not greener on the other side believe me.
The main issues I have with Catholicism vs Orthodoxy are papal infallibility (not that Rome doesn't have great value and a certain primacy, but...yeah. I just can't square what I read about Rome early on and what it became), the western view of sin (Anselm and Aquinas. This leads to a different view of confession, purgatory, etc.), And scholasticism... I know that's a bit different in eastern Catholicism, but there's still the issue with the Pope. Not the current person, but the theology of the ecclesiology.
Amazing! Fr. Jason taught at my high school in Ontario, Canada and was a major inspiration to me. I would recommend inviting our mutual friend Fr. Dcn. Andrew Bennett - also an Eastern Catholic, and Canada's first (and only) Ambassador of Religious Freedom.
I am now 81 years old, formerly RC, and so glad i came to Orthodoxy in the med 60's. My heart goes out the TradCaths. I see Christ in the faith and could be less concerned about the culturual. So many Americans have a consumer mentality which can stand in the way. We have Western Rite and some Assyrian Rite churches. Father your argument does not hold water.
@@Bungadin2845 My wife is Ukrainian (we met here while I was serving here in the US army), so I certainly garner joy from living out my vocation as a married man to her. Beyond that, however, for an American now living in Ukraine, in two ways is life easier. Firstly, I left an area whose culture normalizes sin. Secondly, I came to a place that normalizes Christian behavior. A good example of the former: before coming to Ukraine, I did not believe, for example, that there were people who did not masturbate because everyone with whom I spoke said they did it. They spoke very openly about it, in fact. After first coming to Ukraine, fellow soldiers and I joked about masturbation with Ukrainian soldiers, and they were the first people I met in my life who very seriously said, “That’s not normal.” For the later: after converting to Catholicism, I sought to attend daily Mass in my local area in the United States. I had a car, and within 15 minutes I could drive to 3-4 churches. Most of them, however, didn’t have daily Mass every day. I had to attend one church one day, and another the next. Confession was by appointment only for most. Here, even though Roman Catholicism is the minority (~3%), there is a Church in most towns in the Western part with daily Mass every day and Confession multiple times per week, if not before every Mass. The Christian lifestyle is normalized such that people in the neighboring villages walk 30min to attend either the Orthodox or Catholic Churches every Sunday. Of course, I think there are people called by God to live in the US and to spread the good news of the Gospel. I was not one of them, at least not when I moved. Perhaps I am too influenced by the culture there. I would encourage any serious Christian who feels like I did to find a community of Godly people and move there, even if they have to forsake their lifestyle, especially if it’s the silly commodities that they are holding on to.
During the part where he talks about the Church being persecuted in Ukraine…. Where he mentions the part of how if we have been betrayed by the men in the Church that whole segment….. this made me cry …… as a single Catholic Dad i needed this soooo bad God bless you Father ….. its been hard since i dont have my spiritual director No more and i dont much of support from the parishes around me and the priests arent too welcoming… and now i have to cling to Jesus Thank you GOD BLESS YOU MATT AND FATHER YOU SAVED ME …… ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don't know if he'd be interested, but please try to get Fr. Daniel Kirk on to talk about his journey from Orthodoxy to the Catholic Church. He converted to Orthodoxy, became a Serbian Orthodox priest, and then went into communion with Rome.
After coffee hour when i was cleaning up the kids room at my EO parishes I was just wondering why Roman Catholic Churchs and West Rite Orthodox churches don't have an Iconostasis but Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic do. I'm glad somone else has thought about that. 😊
I just happened to gaze at a few Icons of St Dominic recievving the rosary (early icons) and if you look closely the Rosaries they look awfully like chotki's with Knot beads and a tassle at the end
So true…. “When a Westerner visits an Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Liturgy they are recovering their Tradition”. Indeed .. the Latins even once had leavened bread! Communing infants was a tradition until the 1200s! Modernism in the West is a lot older than the ‘60s.
This is so interesting to listen to. I live Pittsburgh, Pa. Grew up in Uniontown, Pa. My Slovak grandfather came over from Slovakia when he was around 10 years old and was a coal miner in Southwestern PA. We were raised Roman Catholic (as I remain today) and I wonder now if there was any Eastern tradition in my background. I did go to a Byzantine Catholic school in Uniontown from kindergarten to 2 grade but that had to do more with education than religion (as far as I know). I wish my grandfather was still alive to ask him
I appreciate the depth of the presentation. Please l am a woman who is almost 80. Woman went to a department store and bought a seasonal hat for church. Oops no hat! We would bobbie pini a tissue to our head.. Thank for the content. I need to keep learning. Praise to Our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏.
From what I’ve heard from orthodox priests is purgatory doesn’t exist and they don’t believe in Mary being immaculate. I can’t wrap my head around how people look at Roman Catholicism and see how right and perfect it is, yet go with another religion and believe what THEY want
I am sorry, I have a question nothing about today's talk. But I am having a hard time with my children's Catechism lessons. I homeschool and we use the baltimore catechism and the Seton homeschool religion books. I feel like I am about to be send to the gallows for saying this, becasue I do attend the TLM. We hate the Baltimore Catechism, my children are not learning to have a relationship with God through this catechism, just memorizing answers to questions. Its making my kids hate Catechism, hence hate thier faith. I switched my K5 to Augustine Press "Word of Life" and he enjoys it. It puts faith into actions and has other activities besides just memorizing answers and coloring. Can you recommend any other catechism lesson for my 11year old and 14 year old? My church only teaches the Baltimore catechism on wednesday for all the kids and its miserable.
A person’s faith does not necessarily have to be intellectual per se. Continue taking your children to Mass and praying with them. Maybe continue with the Baltimore catechism but take a more informal and infrequent approach or try to relate the material to the Mass and prayer.
It’s so surprising to me that some kids hate the Baltimore Catechism, since I got so much out of it. But it’s one of those teaching tools some kids learn a lot from and some kids don’t.
My wife and I use the Baltimore catechism as well as several different Catholic books made for children for different age groups. My wife even used a Jordan Peterson UA-cam video explaining to our daughter about certain Catholics principles. I have found some good protestants cartoons to teach my kids the Catholic faith ironically. CBN's Super book digitally animated series is great at teaching the Bible. Saddleback ministries cartoons surprisingly cover many Catholics celebrations with entertaining cartoons.
I have to say, those comments in the middle about Pope Francis seemed totally contrary to the Catholic faith. "We've had a hundred years of good popes, now we've graduated from obeying the pope and we can decide everything ourselves with our catechism in hand, because we have subjectively decided that this pope is making bad decisions." To adapt a saying of St. Augustine to a different context, if you believe what you like in the papal magisterium, and reject what you don't like, it is not the promise of Christ you believe, but yourself. It isn't obedience if you disobey everything that you feel is wrong.
@@DF_UniatePapist That's correct, but Matt and other commentators often act like everything that the Pope says should be examined by us before accepting it, and we are free to reject his teaching if we in our subjective judgement find it contrary to "tradition".
That's not what they were saying at all. They meant that we should overcome the prudential shortcomings, the behavioral scandals (eg Pachamama), and the numerous occasions of ambiguous statements (eg Amorist Laetitia or "God will save us all" at a press conference). This does not entail forfeiting the living magisterium, but sorting out all the non magisterial questionable stuff (by using the magisterium). Never have I heard Matt Fradd speaking of not giving ascent to magisterial pronouncements of pope Francis.
@@stranger5615 How can you still hold on to the dogma of the indefectibility of the Church if you consider that the Antichrist is reigning as the pope?
Thanks for the show! At about 2:02:00, I was intrigued by your discussion about Holy Communion for children. The argument is that all the Baptized should not be denied the Eucharist, just as we don't deny food for our children just because they do not understand what it is. The question that arises for me, however, would be this: how can Protestants whose Baptisms are recognized by the Catholic Church be denied, based on this logic? Is it not because they do not have full understanding and acceptance that they are receiving the God-man Jesus, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity? Or perhaps you could argue that because an adult Protestant CAN know and chooses to reject the teaching, that they should be denied. But then what of a Protestant who says they DO believe but are Protestant for other reasons? Can they be denied? Or what about children under the age of reason who have a legitimate Baptism in a Protestant community? You can see how this becomes a slippery-slope. As a catechist, I believe it is wise to maintain the rule that a child must be of the age of reason and be catechized to an understanding of the Eucharist before receiving.
Protestants are denied communion because they incur a latae sententiae excommunication by denying Christ’s True Church, not because they don’t understand it.
Baptized & Chrismated infants are full members of the Catholic Church - why would you deny such a member of the Church the spiritual nourishment of the Holy Eucharist? The Early Church Fathers understood this. There is no slippery slope. Communing infants was once the norm. The East retains this practice.
The rood screen of English churches does not share a common origin with the iconostasis, even though they look similar. The ancient templon, which developed into the iconostasis in the East, became the communion rail in the West.
@@claymcdermott718 In churches with a choir, the templon was east of the choir, while the rood screen was west of the choir. They probably served a similar purpose - defining different areas of the ritual space - but the templon set off the sanctuary, while the rood screen separated the chancel (including the choir) from the nave. In a monastic church, the rood screen would have separated the monastic enclosure from the public area of the church.
I agree that the Catholic Church is Catholic now, but to me it seems Fr. Jason's point about the Catholic Church being in communion with all types of Christians is a more recent phenomenon, and the true heirs of St. Andrew (Constantinople), St. Mark (Alexandria), St. James (Jerusalem), and St. Peter (Antioch) are not in communion with the patriarch of Rome. I'd approach a view that recognizes the Church as divided, and hopefully we can bridge those divisions.
Im sure that Winston quote was said to a female opponent in Parliament. Young Winston is a brilliant movie, starring Simon Ward, Anne Bancroft and Robert Shaw.
What about Blessed Archbishop Andrej Sheptytsky and the part he played in bringing back the Eastern Church. When St. JP 11 was made Bishop of Krakow he used his gospel book in Wavel. Also some political and social issues were involved with the wives of married priests as was explained to me by some CarpathoRuethenian priests.
Many are martyred for the Faith in both white and red martyrs. This is the price of Faith persecution. Christ was counter cultural. The American church is political and comfortable.Are we willing to pay the price of Faith? My family has roots in Poland and Lvov. I have also seen the suffering of immigrants in other countries. Each of us will have to answer this question. Just remember Judas sold Christ for 30 pieces of silver. What will the average man do for a buck?
As Cyprian said concerning Novatian how can darkness enrich the light? If Peter built different stones (unleavened bread, treasury of merit, filioque, ADS etc to name just a few) to that which is built he has defected from the faith
Around timestamp 38.33 I don't agree that this is something East should learn from West. Funnily enough this happens to be one of the main reasons, why I "prefer" being orthodox, and I am not alone in this. There are questions, that are so important, that they can't be answered by making one answer compulsory for all. Lack of central power that would send out right answers isn't weakness of Orthodox church, that is one of the examples of its mystical wisdom instead.
@@GuadalupePicasso I have reached to the conclusion that Divine Liturgy, churchbells, singing, icons, prayers and readings are the very best missionaries there are. Also i feel that laypeople evangelize anyway. Most of those who join come to church, because they know someone from a congregation or they just happen to jump in and are blown away by Liturgy or Mass. Majority of Christians in our country are either Lutheran or Orthodox, but Catholic Church is growing and quite popular. I love all the three of them.
From the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom. “The prayer before the thrice holy hymn”. Forgive my ignorance as a Roman Catholic with some recent experience in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, but I’m pretty sure it’s analogous to the prayer before the “holy holy holy” in the RC Mass
I wish there were more talk about male modesty (hair, facial hair, dress). Sure we don't have codpieces anymore or pad our calves, but... still. It's been too long that the focus has been primarily (and sometimes exclusively) on women 😟
Father presents rather a one-sided and dare I say ill-informed viewpoint of the Constantinople-Moscow situation. The EP's Orthodox Church of Ukraine is made up of some shady individuals who had been excommunicated, some for moral reasons. The EP until 2018 acknowledged the legitimacy of these excommunications, recognizing the Ukrainian Church whose hierarch is Met. Onufry as the legitimate Orthodox body in Ukraine. Most of the Orthodox world has declined to recognize this new OCU, some including the patriarchs of Antioch and recently reposed patriarch of Serbia--not to mention a smattering of Greek hierarchs and Athonite elders--have vocalized their disapproval of the EP's actions. It's a tragic and painful situation. Also, yes, Orthodox have persecuted Eastern Catholics. And Roman and Eastern Catholics have persecuted Orthodox. (The cruel martyrdom of Orthodox Serbs by RC Croatian Ustache comes to mind.) Both sides have a lot of repenting and forgiving to do. +
“Tradition frees us from the slavery of novelty” (37:40). 🎤 dropped! This talk is now one of my favorites on “Pints”. The entire show was totally educational and worth listening all the way through. I really wish you could add a “cheat sheet” with references/resources of what y’all discussed!
Thanks for the show Matt! It was always great and glad for the diversity! Hopefully you can get a Syro Malabar priest one day and talk about the faith in India! GOD BLESS
The Chicago SM Eparchy has some great communicators. I'm hoping to see some of them
Oh yes, that'd be awesome!
Yessss😍
Now, wouldn't that be amazing?! High five to my fellow Malayalees on here. 🙌
Let's make this happen!
During all of covid my family went to a maronite church because we are lebanese and the priest there continued to give us the sacraments through the whole thing. We are so indebted to him. We are roman catholics still despite the fact that we are part lebanese.
We, too, discovered a Maronite Catholic parish (across the border into the next state) which remained open during all the covid parish closures. I am eternally grateful to the priest who continued to provide a beautiful Liturgy, excellent preaching & the sacramental mysteries to the Faithful... which is why I'm still there every Sunday morning. :)
Therese dixon have you ever read this letter that I discovered recently of( lebanese orthodox UN human rights drafter ) Charles Malik to the Maronites? Pdf
@@bloodoranges2631 I had not read that but I skimmed through it... I also believe that the Maronite Church was definitely given something special. The maronite church I went to and the maronite churches in the west have certainly adopted some western practices (I assume after Vatican 2). I would like to experience the maronite Liturgy as it was before vatican 2 and the adoption of western church practices. I still appreciate that the maronites did not dramatically change their liturgy like the roman catholic rite.
Ektachaft min jdiid ino islem lebnen mes7iin siitna bil ard bi Australia! Hachalo el masi7ie min lebnen bi sababoun w hala2 le72inoun 3a Australia la ymarmgho siitna
bil ard! Warana warana!
El masi7e el Lebanese ma lezem yerte7 la bi ardo wala barra! Leh el australe ra7 yfarre2 Beyn massi7e
w mislem ! 3indo Lebanese w bas!
3am chouf chou 3emliin hal islem bi sem3etna bi Australia chi bechayyeb cha3r el ras! Ya 3eyb el choum! Chou hal msibbe hey el nezleh 3alayna! Hal lezem n3iich bil gherbe b3iid 3an ardna bsabab hel islem el m7awliin
3iichetna ja7iim wel siyesiyiin el Judases el masi7ie a2de2 chaabna! Ne7na wein serna! El Yom lebnen bsabab Iran hizbollah w Israel souria wil 3erben w 3a rassoun America 3abadit el chyatiin wil foujour , sar 80% min lebneniye ta7t khatt el fo2er! Nehbiin kil kil wadaye3na w karametna! Ja7iim la yantahi! Ya Allah weinak
I came back into the Church largely due to the apostolate of Latin Mass communities and discovering the reverence and beauty of the Latin Mass has greatly contributed to my faith life. It's already been 4 years of my conversion from Atheism to Catholicism and I don't know where I'd be without Our Lord, had I continued to be an Atheist. My life was a mess and God was so providential in showing me the wonders of the Mass.
Because of the fruits that God has operated in my own life through these apostolates, when I heard of the news regarding the restrictions on TLM I felt almost hopeless, fatherless. It felt like we were abandoned by the Holy Father and by the local bishop, since after TC, our group, that had promoted the celebration of TLM for over 5 years, was basically shunned by the diocese. Although I understand the concerns of the pope for writing that document, I found the statements of the document to be out of line with the reality of the potential problems of "disunity" within the apostolates, especially after seeing the great fruits that the presence of TLM had made, not only in my own diocese, but also all throughout Brazil. The Masses were filled with young people, young families, older people, seminarians, religious, traditionals, charismatics, life-long Catholics, converts, ex-atheists, and the list goes on. The lines to confession were large, and the Church was full. We also happened to be one of the most diverse communities of the diocese because we congregated many "groups" of the Church, and that was due to the fact that they were all yearning to learn more about the liturgical patrimony of the Roman Rite.
But this video grave me great hope for the future. The interview was great, thank you Matt for making such great content and thank you father Jason Charron for being such a faithful priest during these difficult times. The advice that you gave for traditional Catholics was great, and the historical examples of the UGCC that you gave were very inspiring, and gave me great hope.
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." (John 16:33)
Wow, that is the most beautiful icon of Jesus I have ever seen in my life... I could look at it for decades
@@rohan7224 Me and you both! I took a screenshot though so I can use it as my phone wallpaper ;)
Father Jason is a true vocational priest, I afraid to tell a soul like it is. He takes his vocation to lead us to Christ very seriously
Syro Malabar Catholics often greet their priests with 'Glory be to Jesus Christ' as well in the local Malayalam language.
Yes.....Easo Missihaayikk stuthiyayirikkatte
In Hungary even in the 1950s( when I was a child) I heard people (adults and children) say to a priests in the street "Glory to Jesus Christ" "Glory to the Lord" or just "Glory" and the response was "For ever and ever".... I am talking about Catholics here.....
True, we greet our priests with "Glory to Jesus Christ" and the priests greet back "Now and Forever".
I was struck by the similarity as well...When the priest mentioned it.
@@kbeetles It is still the standard greeting for the priest and elders in the Malayalam language
One thing that I am seeing as Sacramentalist Protestant, being torn between the Eastern and Western expressions of faith, is an acknowledgment that each side is lacking a facet of its full expression. Both lungs long to breathe together.
There’s two ways they can eventually do that. I’ve chosen the alternative, to be Western Rite Orthodox. I do not believe that the only way is possible anymore.
@@eldermillennial8330 I'm not a fan of the current Western Rite. What I have personally experienced has been former Anglicans larping as Orthodox. That is not a sleight against the movement as whole. I pray that it is able to find its footing and be a spiritual force to be reckoned with.
@@alexwarstler9000 I've noticed the same thing as well. Just my two cents. I'm Roman Catholic, but I have serious leanings toward Orthodox Catholicism.
Either one is better than Protestantism.
@@Linkgt An interesting proposition for sure.
Such a wonderful surprise to see Fr. Jason Charron on the show tonight! He and his family are loved and respected at OLSH.
So glad I came back to catch up on what I missed. I had no idea about eastern Catholics being mistreated by an Irish American Roman Catholic bishop historically. Father's words at 1:04:35 struck me deeply.
He didn’t mention that (Orthodox Saint) Tikhon of Moscow was the ArchBishop of San Francisco at the time and was the one to welcome in all 200,000. He was no opponent of Western Liturgy, however, having a collaboration with Joseph Julian Overbeck to make Orthodox versions of the Latin, Sarum and Anglican Masses for any Westerners seeking to become Orthodox, but like the Ukrainians. Wanting to keep their Western Rite traditions.Tikhon was later Martyred by the Bolsheviks. Some Orthodox who suspect that Fatima was a real apparition (a CONTROVERSIAL position for any Orthodox to have) note that Tikhon was kidnapped by Lenin’s goons within a day or two of the Third Secret being given to the children. The crux of the Orthodox case for Fatima is that “The Bishop In White” makes FAR more sense as Tikhon than as JP2.
I love this priest! This was such an amazing talk. I hope that you have him as a guest again!
Father should definitely read The Lord of the Rings. His last statement reminded me of my favorite line from the book: “Frodo: I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”
This is a great program I am a Traditional catholic I have a Great love for the byzantine Rite and have for years manly because of the Early Church Fathers. As a side note my last name is actually Charron du Charme. God Bless and Mary Love you and your work
Fr. Jason is the absolute man! Excellent conversation
Great interview! Praise God for you both! I shared the video on Twitter with the following comment:
Excellent.
Best part starts with question at 1:24:20 in the video.
The "money quote" comes at 1:33:00:
"Let's stop complaining. Let's get down to the work that need to be done. The world is thirsting for saints. And this is our day."
- Fr. Jason Charron
1:32:00 Talking about not putting trust in the princes of men, but in Jesus Christ when feeling let down or betrayed by your priests, bishops and cardinals brought (ugly) tears to my eyes. I pray that this can be true for the larger church as a whole. We haven't had to undergo true persecution but have felt abandoned and disappointed so often that it feels hopeless at times. Thank you for likening this to the Ukranian church and it's faithful experience. ❤❤
Wonderful talk...I was really moved by this amazing and very insightful Priest. Btw, I'm Irish and I'm really sorry about the Bishop with Irish heritage that treated those people badly.
I think this priest articulated very well how important unity and communion are...they're bigger than any one priest or bishop or pope. Here in Ireland we were persecuted for remaining in the Catholic Church rather than becoming Anglican and like Father said Priests offered Mass in the wilderness on rocks and hidden by hedges, so yes we know what it's like to understand why unity is important and was the prayer of Our Lord Jesus Himself. Let them be 'One' - Amen. This is perhaps why I get a shiver up my spine sometimes when I hear the dreadful things said about our Pope with little or no investigation or understanding from some inside the Church. I find it divisive and uncharitable sometimes..This wonderful Priest is doing what the vast majority of Catholic priests, bishops and indeed lay people etc are doing.
.....they're not casting eyes here and there they are just getting on with the work. Thank you Father, and God bless you 🙏
This interview is sooooooooooooooooo good. Thanks, Matt!
"If it's something they want, I can't do that. If it's something they need, then I'm there for them." 🙏
I really enjoyed this episode, so interesting and filled with the love of God.
One of my favourite Pints conversations. I needed it. 🙏
Excellent interview! You should put the Latin preface from the traditional Mass next to the prayer that father read, they both follow the same structure and are each steeped in their respective cultural traditions.
I watched Fr Jason’s ordination and it was one of my favorite videos of all time
High church and charismatic prayer comparison was so beautiful! I love it. You can't put the Almighty in a box. Praised be Jesus Christ! But we've got ALL of HIM in HIS ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH as she breathes from her 2 lungs!! I remember Fr. Jason from St. Elias in Brampton.
You should make a clip from 26:33 to 30:12 when Fr. Charron explains why he is Eastern Catholic instead of Eastern Orthodox and entitle it: “Why the Catholic Church is THE MOST catholic church.”
Слава Ісусу Христу! Слава навіки! Glory be to Jesus Christ! Now and forever!! Greetings from Ukraine Lviv.
Really enjoyed Fr Charron's explanation and sharing. I believe that Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum did include provisions for churches sui iuris in the US in response to the flood of migrant workers of particular ethnicities entering the US as a result of industrialisation and as economic refugees. But how diocesan bishops responded is another matter, of course. On the point of local (national) churches which remained in communion with Rome in-spite of government persecution, the development of the Korean Catholic church and their martyrs should also be noted. Fr Charron is correct to mention the Catholic Church in China vs that of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, although lines are more blurred now. The Redemptorist and Franciscan martyrs of Ukraine deserve a mention, too. 🕊🥃🥃
As an Eastern-Orthodox who grow up in America non religious but spent 5 years in protestants denomination I think West Rite Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholicism are two very big answers to reevangalising the west and healing the schism of the east and west.
Pray for all of us, pray for the healing of the schism, pray for the resignation of faith in the west.
Pray for those in the Ukrainan and Russia
Pray for the Near and Mddle East
Pray for peace and the joy for Christ and the healing of Christ to be with us all.
Please pray for our bishop's and we will pray for yours.
This has been my absolute favorite episode so far
Forgive the ignorance of my following questions dear ones. I am a traditional Roman Catholic who absolutely loves the Divine Liturgy. I live in East Central PA, so am blessed to live near many Eastern Catholic churches. I frequently attend both Ukrainian and Ruthenian Liturgies. I have noticed some differences. Can anyone explain them to me? For instance, more kneeling in the Ukrainian church (virtually none in the Ruthenian). Praying the Holy Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy also seem more common in the Ukrainian churches. (Again, this is simply my observation). I understand that the Ukrainian church came to union with Rome before the Ruthenians. I would never use the word "better", but is one Liturgy more traditional than the other? Or perhaps the differences I am seeing are matters of individual parishes? Thank you and may God bless you all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Wow! Matt, this was by far the best episode of Pints! Mother Natalia won't mind taking second to Fr. Jason
Dang Matt, you described ALMOST exactly my position right now with regards to Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Catholicism pulled me away from Protestantism, and Orthodoxy pulled me away from Catholicism (though I still love Catholicism for a lot of reasons), but there are so many freaking conversion videos that make it seem so clear cut. Truth be told, I am mostly convinced by Orthodoxy with the exception of Palamism and Thomism. Both seem so beneficial to me and it just doesn't seem clear at all what I'm to make of them. Beyond that, Orthodoxy has provided such a clear understanding of what a Christian is to be and to live that I'm not sure that I can resist going through Catechism there. Bless ya Matt and Fr. Charron.
May your for Truth lead you home 🙏
Did you watch Matt's video with Fr. Totleben? "Can Palamism and Thomism be Reconciled? W/ Fr. Peter Totleben, O.P."
He also did a show on Reason and Theology, and wrote a dissertation you can find.
I hope this helps!
Why not try an Eastern Catholic Church (and talk to the priest in depth) before completely rejecting Catholicism?
The conversions you are talking about are probably due to the state of the Catholic Church at the current moment more than anything. Not a good reason to leave Catholicism. The grass is not greener on the other side believe me.
The main issues I have with Catholicism vs Orthodoxy are papal infallibility (not that Rome doesn't have great value and a certain primacy, but...yeah. I just can't square what I read about Rome early on and what it became), the western view of sin (Anselm and Aquinas. This leads to a different view of confession, purgatory, etc.), And scholasticism... I know that's a bit different in eastern Catholicism, but there's still the issue with the Pope. Not the current person, but the theology of the ecclesiology.
Amazing! Fr. Jason taught at my high school in Ontario, Canada and was a major inspiration to me. I would recommend inviting our mutual friend Fr. Dcn. Andrew Bennett - also an Eastern Catholic, and Canada's first (and only) Ambassador of Religious Freedom.
By far, my favorite episode
I am now 81 years old, formerly RC, and so glad i came to Orthodoxy in the med 60's. My heart goes out the TradCaths. I see Christ in the faith and could be less concerned about the culturual. So many Americans have a consumer mentality which can stand in the way. We have Western Rite and some Assyrian Rite churches. Father your argument does not hold water.
As an American now living in Ukraine, I enjoy life so much more
Why is that Ben?
@@Bungadin2845 My wife is Ukrainian (we met here while I was serving here in the US army), so I certainly garner joy from living out my vocation as a married man to her.
Beyond that, however, for an American now living in Ukraine, in two ways is life easier. Firstly, I left an area whose culture normalizes sin. Secondly, I came to a place that normalizes Christian behavior.
A good example of the former: before coming to Ukraine, I did not believe, for example, that there were people who did not masturbate because everyone with whom I spoke said they did it. They spoke very openly about it, in fact. After first coming to Ukraine, fellow soldiers and I joked about masturbation with Ukrainian soldiers, and they were the first people I met in my life who very seriously said, “That’s not normal.”
For the later: after converting to Catholicism, I sought to attend daily Mass in my local area in the United States. I had a car, and within 15 minutes I could drive to 3-4 churches. Most of them, however, didn’t have daily Mass every day. I had to attend one church one day, and another the next. Confession was by appointment only for most. Here, even though Roman Catholicism is the minority (~3%), there is a Church in most towns in the Western part with daily Mass every day and Confession multiple times per week, if not before every Mass. The Christian lifestyle is normalized such that people in the neighboring villages walk 30min to attend either the Orthodox or Catholic Churches every Sunday.
Of course, I think there are people called by God to live in the US and to spread the good news of the Gospel. I was not one of them, at least not when I moved. Perhaps I am too influenced by the culture there. I would encourage any serious Christian who feels like I did to find a community of Godly people and move there, even if they have to forsake their lifestyle, especially if it’s the silly commodities that they are holding on to.
Such a good discussion! I learned so much about our Eastern Lung.
Also, where do I get a copy of that Our Lady of Fatima icon??
During the part where he talks about the Church being persecuted in Ukraine…. Where he mentions the part of how if we have been betrayed by the men in the Church that whole segment….. this made me cry …… as a single Catholic Dad i needed this soooo bad God bless you Father ….. its been hard since i dont have my spiritual director No more and i dont much of support from the parishes around me and the priests arent too welcoming… and now i have to cling to Jesus Thank you GOD BLESS YOU MATT AND FATHER YOU SAVED ME …… ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don't know if he'd be interested, but please try to get Fr. Daniel Kirk on to talk about his journey from Orthodoxy to the Catholic Church. He converted to Orthodoxy, became a Serbian Orthodox priest, and then went into communion with Rome.
After coffee hour when i was cleaning up the kids room at my EO parishes I was just wondering why Roman Catholic Churchs and West Rite Orthodox churches don't have an Iconostasis but Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic do. I'm glad somone else has thought about that. 😊
I just happened to gaze at a few Icons of St Dominic recievving the rosary (early icons) and if you look closely the Rosaries they look awfully like chotki's with Knot beads and a tassle at the end
I'm a year late to this but what a great interview! So many good things.
Let’s go, Fr. Jason! Pittsburgh is so blessed to have you.
Can you share where to purchase the icon art? It's lovely.
Yes, please!
Yes please pray for the return of Quebec to the Catholic Faith of Our Father.
Gosh! Second time through and still so good. Thank you!
So true…. “When a Westerner visits an Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Liturgy they are recovering their Tradition”. Indeed .. the Latins even once had leavened bread! Communing infants was a tradition until the 1200s! Modernism in the West is a lot older than the ‘60s.
Such a rich conversation!
God bless him! So interesting, I know practically nothing of Eastern Catholics so this was very informative
If you organize a PWA trip/tour/pilgrimage to Russia, I'm sure a lot of people would be down to join in on the experience!!
1:01:11
Helped me understand eastern Catholics more
Funny how Matt says , "becoming traddy" like it's a bad thing, lol.
Tradition is one of the legs of Catholicism. Never forget that!
Kissing the hand of a priest is very common in Latin America with the older generations. Its a Catholic tradition in general.
I pray for many blessings from God to the priest and his family. He carries such a peace about him.
*So disappointed that I missed this live. I have so many questions that I wish I could ask Fr. Charron.
You might try contacting him through his parish - Holy Trinity Ukrainian Catholic Church in Carnegie, PA.
This is one of the best of many great episodes.
This is so interesting to listen to. I live Pittsburgh, Pa. Grew up in Uniontown, Pa. My Slovak grandfather came over from Slovakia when he was around 10 years old and was a coal miner in Southwestern PA. We were raised Roman Catholic (as I remain today) and I wonder now if there was any Eastern tradition in my background. I did go to a Byzantine Catholic school in Uniontown from kindergarten to 2 grade but that had to do more with education than religion (as far as I know). I wish my grandfather was still alive to ask him
I appreciate the depth of the presentation.
Please l am a woman who is almost 80.
Woman went to a department store and bought a seasonal hat for church.
Oops no hat! We would bobbie pini a tissue to our head..
Thank for the content. I need to keep learning. Praise to Our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏.
What a great video, rich with history and explanations. Thank you.
This has been one of my favorite interviews too!! Second bringing him back
From what I’ve heard from orthodox priests is purgatory doesn’t exist and they don’t believe in Mary being immaculate.
I can’t wrap my head around how people look at Roman Catholicism and see how right and perfect it is, yet go with another religion and believe what THEY want
Listening to this all over again
Missed the first 20 min plus a few items in-between
Interesting watching this now, considering the current humanitarian crisis in Ukrainian.
I am sorry, I have a question nothing about today's talk. But I am having a hard time with my children's Catechism lessons. I homeschool and we use the baltimore catechism and the Seton homeschool religion books. I feel like I am about to be send to the gallows for saying this, becasue I do attend the TLM. We hate the Baltimore Catechism, my children are not learning to have a relationship with God through this catechism, just memorizing answers to questions. Its making my kids hate Catechism, hence hate thier faith. I switched my K5 to Augustine Press "Word of Life" and he enjoys it. It puts faith into actions and has other activities besides just memorizing answers and coloring. Can you recommend any other catechism lesson for my 11year old and 14 year old? My church only teaches the Baltimore catechism on wednesday for all the kids and its miserable.
@@DeCoR18 ok, I'll check it out. Thanks!
A person’s faith does not necessarily have to be intellectual per se. Continue taking your children to Mass and praying with them.
Maybe continue with the Baltimore catechism but take a more informal and infrequent approach or try to relate the material to the Mass and prayer.
It’s so surprising to me that some kids hate the Baltimore Catechism, since I got so much out of it. But it’s one of those teaching tools some kids learn a lot from and some kids don’t.
My wife and I use the Baltimore catechism as well as several different Catholic books made for children for different age groups. My wife even used a Jordan Peterson UA-cam video explaining to our daughter about certain Catholics principles. I have found some good protestants cartoons to teach my kids the Catholic faith ironically. CBN's Super book digitally animated series is great at teaching the Bible. Saddleback ministries cartoons surprisingly cover many Catholics celebrations with entertaining cartoons.
I have to say, those comments in the middle about Pope Francis seemed totally contrary to the Catholic faith. "We've had a hundred years of good popes, now we've graduated from obeying the pope and we can decide everything ourselves with our catechism in hand, because we have subjectively decided that this pope is making bad decisions." To adapt a saying of St. Augustine to a different context, if you believe what you like in the papal magisterium, and reject what you don't like, it is not the promise of Christ you believe, but yourself. It isn't obedience if you disobey everything that you feel is wrong.
Not everything the Pope says is magisterial.
@@DF_UniatePapist That's correct, but Matt and other commentators often act like everything that the Pope says should be examined by us before accepting it, and we are free to reject his teaching if we in our subjective judgement find it contrary to "tradition".
@@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275 pope Francis is a fraud, imagine follow that anti christ with full submission
That's not what they were saying at all. They meant that we should overcome the prudential shortcomings, the behavioral scandals (eg Pachamama), and the numerous occasions of ambiguous statements (eg Amorist Laetitia or "God will save us all" at a press conference). This does not entail forfeiting the living magisterium, but sorting out all the non magisterial questionable stuff (by using the magisterium). Never have I heard Matt Fradd speaking of not giving ascent to magisterial pronouncements of pope Francis.
@@stranger5615 How can you still hold on to the dogma of the indefectibility of the Church if you consider that the Antichrist is reigning as the pope?
Thanks for the show! At about 2:02:00, I was intrigued by your discussion about Holy Communion for children. The argument is that all the Baptized should not be denied the Eucharist, just as we don't deny food for our children just because they do not understand what it is. The question that arises for me, however, would be this: how can Protestants whose Baptisms are recognized by the Catholic Church be denied, based on this logic? Is it not because they do not have full understanding and acceptance that they are receiving the God-man Jesus, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity? Or perhaps you could argue that because an adult Protestant CAN know and chooses to reject the teaching, that they should be denied. But then what of a Protestant who says they DO believe but are Protestant for other reasons? Can they be denied? Or what about children under the age of reason who have a legitimate Baptism in a Protestant community? You can see how this becomes a slippery-slope. As a catechist, I believe it is wise to maintain the rule that a child must be of the age of reason and be catechized to an understanding of the Eucharist before receiving.
Protestants are denied communion because they incur a latae sententiae excommunication by denying Christ’s True Church, not because they don’t understand it.
Mark:
I agree with you.
Also, they are old enough to make their first confession, so they can understand the concept of being in a state of grace.
@@supremeleadersmeagol6345 Nor are Protestants in communion (union) with the Catholic Church - whereas Baptized infants are.
Baptized & Chrismated infants are full members of the Catholic Church - why would you deny such a member of the Church the spiritual nourishment of the Holy Eucharist? The Early Church Fathers understood this. There is no slippery slope. Communing infants was once the norm. The East retains this practice.
Great talk! Good work guys :)
I'm praying for a husband like that.... God willing
I hope you find him or he finds you.
@@lupea8079 Thank you, that was a very sweet response... very encouraging ... I needed to read that. God bless
This conversation is lacking the Oriental churches. The Coptic Church claims the author of The Book of Mark founded their Church in 33 ad in Egypt.
Since Christians are supposed to treat their body as the church, is smoking a sin?
Matt really needs to read The Father's Tale by Michael O'Brien
Marvellous! Thank you!
Now officially is cigars with Aquinas... LoL
Which Churchill film? Darkest Hour?
How u forget Chaldean Catholic church the which broke off from the Assyrian church of the east
Let's breath with both lungs!
The rood screen of English churches does not share a common origin with the iconostasis, even though they look similar. The ancient templon, which developed into the iconostasis in the East, became the communion rail in the West.
Didn’t the templon also give rise to the rood screen? I thought it was a common ancestor to all.
@@claymcdermott718 In churches with a choir, the templon was east of the choir, while the rood screen was west of the choir. They probably served a similar purpose - defining different areas of the ritual space - but the templon set off the sanctuary, while the rood screen separated the chancel (including the choir) from the nave. In a monastic church, the rood screen would have separated the monastic enclosure from the public area of the church.
I agree that the Catholic Church is Catholic now, but to me it seems Fr. Jason's point about the Catholic Church being in communion with all types of Christians is a more recent phenomenon, and the true heirs of St. Andrew (Constantinople), St. Mark (Alexandria), St. James (Jerusalem), and St. Peter (Antioch) are not in communion with the patriarch of Rome. I'd approach a view that recognizes the Church as divided, and hopefully we can bridge those divisions.
Im sure that Winston quote was said to a female opponent in Parliament.
Young Winston is a brilliant movie, starring Simon Ward, Anne Bancroft and Robert Shaw.
God bless you both
@ 40:00 minutes that's me lol , I pray with passion
You should do a talk with Jonathan Pageau about icons
It's your lucky day, he did one last january
ua-cam.com/video/pQMQ7weBDFs/v-deo.html
Being in communion with heterodox traditions isn't a good argument for Catholicism over orthodoxy...
I was thinking the same thing when he said it.
Where did you get the beautiful icons?
Moderns seeking an alternative are beset with cafetaeria style theology. Pray to be delivered from that.
What about Blessed Archbishop Andrej Sheptytsky and the part he played in bringing back the Eastern Church. When St. JP 11 was made Bishop of Krakow he used his gospel book in Wavel. Also some political and social issues were involved with the wives of married priests as was explained to me by some CarpathoRuethenian priests.
Many are martyred for the Faith in both white and red martyrs. This is the price of Faith persecution. Christ was counter cultural. The American church is political and comfortable.Are we willing to pay the price of Faith? My family has roots in Poland and Lvov. I have also seen the suffering of immigrants in other countries. Each of us will have to answer this question. Just remember Judas sold Christ for 30 pieces of silver. What will the average man do for a buck?
Thx For this
Stop Stop it’s so interesting 🤨
Amazing icons, anywhere we can purchase?
Slipjy sounds like an eastern Lefebvre
And yet, the popes looked the other way, and eventually sided with him. More evidence that the SSPX and Rome *should* be able to resolve everything.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As Cyprian said concerning Novatian how can darkness enrich the light? If Peter built different stones (unleavened bread, treasury of merit, filioque, ADS etc to name just a few) to that which is built he has defected from the faith
In a century you will probably have Filipino or Spanish speaking Byzantine churches in the US.
Around timestamp 38.33 I don't agree that this is something East should learn from West. Funnily enough this happens to be one of the main reasons, why I "prefer" being orthodox, and I am not alone in this. There are questions, that are so important, that they can't be answered by making one answer compulsory for all. Lack of central power that would send out right answers isn't weakness of Orthodox church, that is one of the examples of its mystical wisdom instead.
You don’t think that laypeople should evangelize?
@@GuadalupePicasso I have reached to the conclusion that Divine Liturgy, churchbells, singing, icons, prayers and readings are the very best missionaries there are. Also i feel that laypeople evangelize anyway. Most of those who join come to church, because they know someone from a congregation or they just happen to jump in and are blown away by Liturgy or Mass. Majority of Christians in our country are either Lutheran or Orthodox, but Catholic Church is growing and quite popular. I love all the three of them.
I wonder if they ever had some "St Alfonso's pancake breakfasts" at his Catholic school. If you know you know
CATHERINE DOHERTY!!! Michael D. O'Brien personally knew her!
What was Father reading at 1:17?! I want to look it up because it is so stunning, but I do not know what I would type in.
From the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom. “The prayer before the thrice holy hymn”. Forgive my ignorance as a Roman Catholic with some recent experience in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, but I’m pretty sure it’s analogous to the prayer before the “holy holy holy” in the RC Mass
Jaime and catholic Jamie should do a podcast with each other lol.
I wish there were more talk about male modesty (hair, facial hair, dress). Sure we don't have codpieces anymore or pad our calves, but... still. It's been too long that the focus has been primarily (and sometimes exclusively) on women 😟
You pronounce Tarpon Springs correctly, THANKS
Father presents rather a one-sided and dare I say ill-informed viewpoint of the Constantinople-Moscow situation. The EP's Orthodox Church of Ukraine is made up of some shady individuals who had been excommunicated, some for moral reasons. The EP until 2018 acknowledged the legitimacy of these excommunications, recognizing the Ukrainian Church whose hierarch is Met. Onufry as the legitimate Orthodox body in Ukraine. Most of the Orthodox world has declined to recognize this new OCU, some including the patriarchs of Antioch and recently reposed patriarch of Serbia--not to mention a smattering of Greek hierarchs and Athonite elders--have vocalized their disapproval of the EP's actions. It's a tragic and painful situation.
Also, yes, Orthodox have persecuted Eastern Catholics. And Roman and Eastern Catholics have persecuted Orthodox. (The cruel martyrdom of Orthodox Serbs by RC Croatian Ustache comes to mind.) Both sides have a lot of repenting and forgiving to do. +