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as I'm sure most of us here agree, there is never enough content on Punic Carthage and/or ancient Semitic societies. glad to see a long-term documentary that *shows* you things we would otherwise have to be quite imaginative for :) love the depictions of architecture and dress
a north African ancient archaeology specialist passing by , I really love the effort you put to represent the civilization of Carthage, so much information's and well detailed indeed , not only historical but also about society and religion and architecture, this video is a treasure , keep it up!
youtube is SPONSORING history content? are we sure he didn't mean to say CENSORING history content which most of the channels run by bonafide historians that i follow say they are doing?
Man that's what this channel was missing - your voice :) Good to hear you once in a while :) Love these videos and the ones that are made with "Assassin's Creed"
One of the first history books I read was about Hannibal and his march into Italy. Been fascinated with Carthage and broader Phoenician culture ever since. Thanks for this great video
Greeek philosophers praising Carthage should be taken with a pich of salt (no pun intended): such comparisons had an underlying reason, as most ancient writings did. For instance, Plato describing Atlantis as ideal and powerful is meant as a compliment for Athens. Praising Carthage as 'the best next to Sparta' is therefore immediately suspect - the two could not differ more!! Isocrates, an Athenean, wrote an oration for Archidamus, the prince of Sparta. In his In Panathenaicus, Isocrates has a Spartan student claim that the most intelligent of the Spartans admired and owned copies of some of Isocrates' speeches! 😁 That should tell us enough, and not take the admiration of Carthage very serious.
I mean, in Carthage they would sacrifice their children by putting them in barrels and rolling those over a fire…. I don’t think it was a society with much of a future
@@ElectronFieldPulse There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old. The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities: 1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed 2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.” Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning. Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common. Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed. The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
Carthage always struck me as a culture with ideals more in common with the European age of Exploration than their fellow Iron age contemporaries. It's such a shame so little of their history survived.
1:19:05: " Mago believe he is in his forties, and lucky that he was freed in such a young age. Maybe now he can find a wife....." Lmao, I see some things never change. Poor dude is up for a nasty shock.
If the Romans would have stopped swinging their big egos around for once (though im not saying others were without sin either), this world would be one heck of a brighter place. Rome was great in lots of ways and we have tons to thank it for, but it just couldnt restrain its desperate need to feel superior, especially when it came to tribal societies, let alone technological peers like Carthage. While not the only one to engage in such behavior, we let them get a pass for it too often in the west.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Hey Im not saying Rome was always right but Carthage isn't no different when Hannibal razed and annihilated a couple of cities and villages in Italy for years.
There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old. The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities: 1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed 2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.” Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning. Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common. Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed. The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
@@denisberte778 Oh please, enough with this colonial sympathizing. Rome were the bad guys in the vast majority of conflicts. You MIGHT have the tiniest argument for Italy at large, not a big one, but I can see why one would try fighting for unity over that whole chunk of land, because it was their birthplace. Makes some sense right? But why oppress their tribal neighbors and dub them savages? Why go so overboard with Carthage? Why annihilate all these societies and act like they were somehow "civilizing the savages"? If you guys were to stop glorifying our western empire ancestors so much, we wouldnt have to focus on their negatives so much. I'd love to compliment Rome for example, but I cant do that without being associated with you lot.
In ancient latin language there is a quote which states: Mors tua, vita mea! Which translates into "Your death, my life!"... And it summarizes the fact that if Roma would not have razed Carthage, Carthage would have razed Rome on its way to become her, the ruler of the ancient known world around the Mediterranean sea... Don't be foolish, and do not biased by the left wing modern ideas and policies!!! To judge history and ancient societies with modern values / dis values is a stupid and childish thing, that fits only to radicalchic and extemists... Not to historians and history lovers and students...
Years ago I read an article that stated runes of the Vikings have roots into the Punic / Carthagenean alphabet and many of the letters in the FUTARQ viking alphabet do correspond, or are similar to, the letters of the other alphabet... Due to their trades and contacts...
It's such a shame they completely destroyed Carthage. I get hating ur enemies but did they really have wipe off their entire civilization from the face of the Earth?
Yep, literal genocide. I honestly hate how people (myself included before I actually read deep history) glorify the horrific Roman Empire. Or any empire for that matter.
@@truthhertz10You read but don't understand a dime!!! You are judging past civilizations with the modern female - like and catholic / pacifist values and disvalues... While you should pay the due respect for ancient civilizations... Otherwise you are just a biased snob radicalchic...
@@Eurodance_Groove Oh grow up, why did this channel become so infested by you right wing nutcases who are too scared of change to accept the reality of our history? News flash, the past wasnt this glorious thing of awesome manliness. It was (and lets be honest, life still is) a violent mess that shouldn't be glorified.
Carthage wasn’t fully destroyed and the salting of Carthage has been debunked a few times over. Yeah I’m the party pooper. But nice to see a full meaty doc on Carthage. (The Romans best fish stock for the best garum was raised in a Carthage town/province)
yeah, you aren't saying anything everyone watching this video doesn't already know and neither is this a topic that wasn't previously discussed on Invicta
The salting of Carthage perfectly captures the cultural vibes of Rome at the time. If you could yoink Cato’s soul into the present and tell him, “hey bro, it’s super neat that you guys salted Carthage after obliterating it. It’s like, basically the only event ~90% of the world knows about Rome,” he would do what ever his equivalent of a dab was. It’s exactly the vibes they’d want us to imagine them with, the detail of if it actually involved dropping salt on soil doesn’t matter-it helps us connect with their lived emotional experience.
humm cosmopolitan population makes it sound like it was like new york or something, it would be safe to imagine that the population would be mostly people from the levant and north african natives from today tunisia. I guess that some small minorities from other places in the mediterranean and the middle east wouldnt make it that cosmopolitan would it?
They were a major trade hub. It would be people from the entire Mediterranean, from Iberia to the Levant, and all between. Plus small stragglers from further afield that made it to the Mediterranean one way or another. A cosmopolitan population can still have a single majority or single group that makes up a near majority (~40%+; probs North Africans/modern Tunisians). It’s more about if you have several sub populations. One or two groups of ~20% ish (which here was probably people from the Levant), and then 1-2+ groups in the 0.5%-1%+ range. North Africa itself is super diverse, and has been as far back as we have ever managed to look. The entire Mediterranean was a huge population mixing super Highway. You’d find people as wide ranging as from sub-Saharan Africa to Germanic peoples and probably beyond.
@ It’s literally not a theory. We have concrete archeological and modern haplogroup evidence of it. Stop drinking the brain worms buddy. Your value as a human is your character, not what ever random phenotypes you got. Be better.
A temple surrounded by the graves of thousands of children? Is that where they sacrificed their little kids? It is argued by some historians that they conducted human sacrificed and "required" by one of their gods would commit this ritual on one of the very children of their own city.
There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old. The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities: 1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed 2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.” Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning. Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common. Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed. The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
Its going to sound assholish but did you ever think of having someone else narrate the content? Which is great btw. There is something to having a certain voice for narration.
@@denisberte778Then why was it okay for Trump to openly say he instructed Republicans to vote against the biggest border reform bill in decades for his personal political advantage? Either it’s this massive crisis we must act on right now, or actually it’s not a big deal and it’s okay to play games with for personal political advantage. Which is it?
@@nedisahonkeyI think bro got triggered by depicting goddesses as women and native North Africans as having more than 0 melanin pigmentation. Absolute snowflake even by their extremely delicate standards
@yesdvt 500 people is the general capacity of the "naves onerariae", the widely used transport ship of the romans. These are modified merchant ships that remove non-essential equipment for additional benches or storage spaces. So, it wouldn't be rare for a merchant nation like Carthage to have something similar.
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To think that if Carthage won, our world would be different in a way we can't even imagine. Most European languages would be based on phoenician, the culture would be very different. The empires of the middle ages, everything.
Just saw an invicta video behind a paywall on my regular feed. Far too many free videos with really good content to have to put up with these greedy clowns. You really have to be a sucker to pay money for something that is abundant and free. Pay for run of the mill history videos? You gotta be out of your mind. Goodbye.
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Carthago delenda est
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@HD-mp6yy ok
@@InvictaHistory why did you remove my comment? Does freedom of speech not apply on youtube?
as I'm sure most of us here agree, there is never enough content on Punic Carthage and/or ancient Semitic societies. glad to see a long-term documentary that *shows* you things we would otherwise have to be quite imaginative for :) love the depictions of architecture and dress
@@sologemeni they were Jewish?
@@Jayokay989 ancient Carthage? Jews are Semites but Semites are not Jews. they were related and/or the same wider-ranging "people," basically, yes.
@@Jayokay989 to my knowledge, Jews are a Semitic people, but not all Semitic people are Jewish
a north African ancient archaeology specialist passing by , I really love the effort you put to represent the civilization of Carthage, so much information's and well detailed indeed , not only historical but also about society and religion and architecture, this video is a treasure , keep it up!
Bro is sponsored by UA-cam
Looks like he won't be getting into Nebula then haha
@@hyraemousthere are plenty of channels on both Nebula & UA-cam
youtube is SPONSORING history content? are we sure he didn't mean to say CENSORING history content which most of the channels run by bonafide historians that i follow say they are doing?
#LEGIT
Who cares
Irony is youtube premium wouldn't skip your UA-cam premium ad
@@richardmellor3833 Apparently it can! It gives you a little arrow to skip community based advertisements, I know cause I have it
UA-cam sponsoring a history channel is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
the art of the city. is gorgeous
99.99% Carthage History Erased.
Romans: We missed a spot.
Really the culture of Carthage is the only one that was preserved. Roman religion was erased and their god reigns supreme.
Carthago delenda est
@@smokeyhoodoo- But gods aren’t real. The Romans have tangible things remaining
@@ElectronFieldPulse The genocide was real
@@smokeyhoodoo - Yes it was
Your art is absolutely gorgeous! Great video, well done!
I appreciate the Max Miller collaboration
Rome might have ruined Carthage but Invicta put it back together 🙏🙏
Invicta? What you mean?
@@Eurodance_Groove the channel name you dense f#ck
@@Eurodance_Groovethe channel’s name
@@averongodoffire8098 ah... Right... 😅
Man that's what this channel was missing - your voice :) Good to hear you once in a while :) Love these videos and the ones that are made with "Assassin's Creed"
One of the first history books I read was about Hannibal and his march into Italy. Been fascinated with Carthage and broader Phoenician culture ever since. Thanks for this great video
First time I see a UA-cam sponsorship.
Thank you for the video I appreciate the information
Last time I was this early Carthage was still unsalted
Booooring
"Well seasoned"
Carthago delenda est
They wore pants.
@@ToxiCistyBarbarians.
Incredible content. Thank you ❤️
Loved the Art in this ❤
I'd love to see a video on the Siege of Carthage!
Never experienced anything more disrupting than a cooking show mid of a historical documentary
It’s about their food. Idk what could be better at connecting with the lives experience of the people of past eras than considering their daily food
Greeek philosophers praising Carthage should be taken with a pich of salt (no pun intended): such comparisons had an underlying reason, as most ancient writings did. For instance, Plato describing Atlantis as ideal and powerful is meant as a compliment for Athens. Praising Carthage as 'the best next to Sparta' is therefore immediately suspect - the two could not differ more!! Isocrates, an Athenean, wrote an oration for Archidamus, the prince of Sparta. In his In Panathenaicus, Isocrates has a Spartan student claim that the most intelligent of the Spartans admired and owned copies of some of Isocrates' speeches! 😁 That should tell us enough, and not take the admiration of Carthage very serious.
Been using my youtube premium for a bunch of years now 👀
I don0t have time to watch it right now so I will give Like directly and come back later ;)
«They create a wasteland and call it peace»
Carthago delenda est
I mean, in Carthage they would sacrifice their children by putting them in barrels and rolling those over a fire…. I don’t think it was a society with much of a future
@@ElectronFieldPulse There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old.
The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities:
1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed
2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.”
Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning.
Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common.
Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed.
The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
😮 very interesting
Thanks for putting a face to the voice 😊
"The temple of Baal Hamon, which was the resting place for thousands of Carthaginian children."
Yeah. No kidding. Bit of an understatement, that. 💀
Carthage always struck me as a culture with ideals more in common with the European age of Exploration than their fellow Iron age contemporaries. It's such a shame so little of their history survived.
1:19:05: " Mago believe he is in his forties, and lucky that he was freed in such a young age. Maybe now he can find a wife....."
Lmao, I see some things never change. Poor dude is up for a nasty shock.
Can you do a equipment video for the vandle soldier
Oh, hey, I know and expression about that place.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam, wasn't it?.
imagine, i can do all of this without yt premium.
Episode 17, fall of civilizations.
Can you guys please do the black Templars of Warhammer 40 K? Army size. Please 🙏🏾
I’ve had yt Premium since it came out 👍
Mine is so old it still bills as UA-cam Red on the bank statement
MAX?? What are you doing here?
I wont self promote, but you annoyingly promoted for the first part of your video. Be proud.
*Cato the Elder has entered the chat*
Never knew the man behind the channel was so cute… 🤩 😘
aaaaaaaand premium is gonna up their prices soon
Cato the Elder has entered the chat.
When he described the Ox hide myth I immediately thought of Technoblade 😂 man quoting Sun Tzu but borrows even more ancient wisdom and cunning.
loss of knowledge of Carthage is a big a travesty as the burning of the library of Alexander!
If the Romans would have stopped swinging their big egos around for once (though im not saying others were without sin either), this world would be one heck of a brighter place. Rome was great in lots of ways and we have tons to thank it for, but it just couldnt restrain its desperate need to feel superior, especially when it came to tribal societies, let alone technological peers like Carthage.
While not the only one to engage in such behavior, we let them get a pass for it too often in the west.
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958Shut up, biased left winger snob!!!
a lot has been saved. The Romans loved to copy even more than the Chinese
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Hey Im not saying Rome was always right but Carthage isn't no different when Hannibal razed and annihilated a couple of cities and villages in Italy for years.
Delenda est
Lost Civilization of Carthage - What Rome Destroyed? (ALL PARTS) Spoiler on the title of the video...
“Resting place of children” I.e. child sacrifice
The children mortality before late 19th century CE was much higher than today.
@ prophets of Baal who threw children into fires
@@StreetLampStudios Based on hearsay from fictional sources centuries after the fact.
There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old.
The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities:
1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed
2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.”
Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning.
Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common.
Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed.
The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
Carthago delenda est
I love Rome, but they didn't have to destroy so much :(
Please give it a rest, Rome was fighting for its very existence and as I recall Hannibal of Carthage was the aggressor. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC
So the Barbarians were right to destory Rome because they were fighting for their existence?
@@denisberte778 Oh please, enough with this colonial sympathizing. Rome were the bad guys in the vast majority of conflicts. You MIGHT have the tiniest argument for Italy at large, not a big one, but I can see why one would try fighting for unity over that whole chunk of land, because it was their birthplace. Makes some sense right?
But why oppress their tribal neighbors and dub them savages? Why go so overboard with Carthage? Why annihilate all these societies and act like they were somehow "civilizing the savages"? If you guys were to stop glorifying our western empire ancestors so much, we wouldnt have to focus on their negatives so much. I'd love to compliment Rome for example, but I cant do that without being associated with you lot.
@@denisberte778I think when serving you ate one too many crayons mate
In ancient latin language there is a quote which states: Mors tua, vita mea!
Which translates into "Your death, my life!"...
And it summarizes the fact that if Roma would not have razed Carthage, Carthage would have razed Rome on its way to become her, the ruler of the ancient known world around the Mediterranean sea...
Don't be foolish, and do not biased by the left wing modern ideas and policies!!!
To judge history and ancient societies with modern values / dis values is a stupid and childish thing, that fits only to radicalchic and extemists... Not to historians and history lovers and students...
Carthago delenda est, Carthago delenda EST, CARTHAGO DELENTA EST !
MAX
Years ago I read an article that stated runes of the Vikings have roots into the Punic / Carthagenean alphabet and many of the letters in the FUTARQ viking alphabet do correspond, or are similar to, the letters of the other alphabet... Due to their trades and contacts...
and that is just made up stuff
Well ultimately most alphabets ultimatley derive from the phonecian alphabet. Often through greek.
Carthago delenda est my dude
It's such a shame they completely destroyed Carthage. I get hating ur enemies but did they really have wipe off their entire civilization from the face of the Earth?
Yep, literal genocide.
I honestly hate how people (myself included before I actually read deep history) glorify the horrific Roman Empire.
Or any empire for that matter.
@@truthhertz10You read but don't understand a dime!!! You are judging past civilizations with the modern female - like and catholic / pacifist values and disvalues...
While you should pay the due respect for ancient civilizations... Otherwise you are just a biased snob radicalchic...
Those times were made for real people and men... Not for biased radicalchics as todays times!!!
@@Eurodance_Groove Oh grow up, why did this channel become so infested by you right wing nutcases who are too scared of change to accept the reality of our history? News flash, the past wasnt this glorious thing of awesome manliness. It was (and lets be honest, life still is) a violent mess that shouldn't be glorified.
@Eurodance_Groove War is the coward's solution to the problems of peace.
Water soruces'? 🤔
Im Übrigen bin ich der Meinung, dass Karthago zerstört werden muss.
FOR THE ALGORITHM
Carthago Delenda est
לא
Carthage wasn’t fully destroyed and the salting of Carthage has been debunked a few times over. Yeah I’m the party pooper. But nice to see a full meaty doc on Carthage. (The Romans best fish stock for the best garum was raised in a Carthage town/province)
The “salting” was always just a metaphor, so it wasn’t hard to debunk:)
yeah, you aren't saying anything everyone watching this video doesn't already know and neither is this a topic that wasn't previously discussed on Invicta
@ lol. Thanks pal
The salting of Carthage perfectly captures the cultural vibes of Rome at the time.
If you could yoink Cato’s soul into the present and tell him, “hey bro, it’s super neat that you guys salted Carthage after obliterating it. It’s like, basically the only event ~90% of the world knows about Rome,” he would do what ever his equivalent of a dab was.
It’s exactly the vibes they’d want us to imagine them with, the detail of if it actually involved dropping salt on soil doesn’t matter-it helps us connect with their lived emotional experience.
59:10 these poor gorillas.
destroying Carthage just delayed Capitalism... for a millenia
Carthago dependa est
humm cosmopolitan population makes it sound like it was like new york or something, it would be safe to imagine that the population would be mostly people from the levant and north african natives from today tunisia. I guess that some small minorities from other places in the mediterranean and the middle east wouldnt make it that cosmopolitan would it?
They were a major trade hub. It would be people from the entire Mediterranean, from Iberia to the Levant, and all between. Plus small stragglers from further afield that made it to the Mediterranean one way or another.
A cosmopolitan population can still have a single majority or single group that makes up a near majority (~40%+; probs North Africans/modern Tunisians). It’s more about if you have several sub populations. One or two groups of ~20% ish (which here was probably people from the Levant), and then 1-2+ groups in the 0.5%-1%+ range.
North Africa itself is super diverse, and has been as far back as we have ever managed to look. The entire Mediterranean was a huge population mixing super Highway. You’d find people as wide ranging as from sub-Saharan Africa to Germanic peoples and probably beyond.
@@piedpiper1172 yeah thats why modern dna testing dont show that mixing highway theory of yours
@ It’s literally not a theory. We have concrete archeological and modern haplogroup evidence of it.
Stop drinking the brain worms buddy. Your value as a human is your character, not what ever random phenotypes you got. Be better.
They were way into child sacrifice.
Romani ite Domum!
A temple surrounded by the graves of thousands of children? Is that where they sacrificed their little kids? It is argued by some historians that they conducted human sacrificed and "required" by one of their gods would commit this ritual on one of the very children of their own city.
"Last night, the crying of the children kept me awake."
@@johntitor_ibm5100 th fortnite servers were down
There are a large number of apparent still births and perinatal deaths in addition to infants of 2-4 months old.
The current data simply cannot distinguish between two possibilities:
1) active sacrifice of otherwise healthy newborns + some sort of exception for still births and perinatal deaths we wouldn’t think of as sacrificed
2) a broader practice of believing all natural newborn and infant mortality (from stillbirth to early life illness etc) was somehow connected to this goddess-not unlike the modern practice of believing that people who die prematurely were “called to god/glory/etc.”
Humans have a universal desire to find meaning, particularly in the face of the suffering unique to untimely death. Reframing all infant mortality as “sacrifices” to your favored deity is one possible way to find that sought-for meaning.
Thus, scholars are unsure. Some believe it was all actively ritual sacrifice (this view is more common the older the academic work), some believe it was all or almost all essentially a cultural coping mechanism for infant mortality, and some believe it was some mix of the two, with some scholars placing active sacrifice anywhere from extremely rare to kinda common.
Problem is we just cannot tell from the remains if a particular infant was, for example, born without kidneys (a defect that still occurs today) and destined to suffer a slow, agonizing end which was ritually shortened, or if it was entirely healthy but ritually prepared and sacrificed.
The only accounts from the era we have are from outsiders-the same outsiders who mistook silver bullet ants for being made from solid gold.
Cato, when I get my hands on you....
Its going to sound assholish but did you ever think of having someone else narrate the content? Which is great btw. There is something to having a certain voice for narration.
Make Carthage Great Again
Mr. Cosmic, I think we have bigger problems close to home to be concerned about, like the out of control border. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC
Don't listen to the haters ..MAKE CARTHAGE GREAT AGAIN............
@@denisberte778Then why was it okay for Trump to openly say he instructed Republicans to vote against the biggest border reform bill in decades for his personal political advantage?
Either it’s this massive crisis we must act on right now, or actually it’s not a big deal and it’s okay to play games with for personal political advantage.
Which is it?
These guys are a complete sad story
carthago delenda est
Romani ite Domum
Why the cultural marxist images?
Wtf are you talking about
@@nedisahonkeyI think bro got triggered by depicting goddesses as women and native North Africans as having more than 0 melanin pigmentation.
Absolute snowflake even by their extremely delicate standards
30,000 on 60 ships would account to 500 people per ship, impossible that time.
@yesdvt 500 people is the general capacity of the "naves onerariae", the widely used transport ship of the romans. These are modified merchant ships that remove non-essential equipment for additional benches or storage spaces. So, it wouldn't be rare for a merchant nation like Carthage to have something similar.
What a weirdly easily checked fact to be so confidently wrong about
Roma victrix!
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Plz see the irony
So… every single creator?
You just… don’t support anyone who makes the content you enjoy earning a living?
RIP Carthage :(
Things of value lost - Zero.
What Rome didn't destroy this uplaoder finished. The Carthaginians were Caucasians.
Absolutely unwatchable, the guy made Carthaginians non white!!!
No shit, they were from the levant. They would have looked like arabs
@nedisahonkey Arabs didn't exist at that time.
@@nedisahonkeyBro thinks Jesus was blonde with blue eyes and skin as white as polar snow.
Snowflake god for the world’s biggest snowflakes
To think that if Carthage won, our world would be different in a way we can't even imagine. Most European languages would be based on phoenician, the culture would be very different. The empires of the middle ages, everything.
Just saw an invicta video behind a paywall on my regular feed. Far too many free videos with really good content to have to put up with these greedy clowns. You really have to be a sucker to pay money for something that is abundant and free.
Pay for run of the mill history videos? You gotta be out of your mind. Goodbye.
This is all hearsay at best
Carthago Delenda est
Romanes eunt Domus