We have a 2023 HPD Elite Pilot and absolutely love it. I now have had 6 Acura/Honda cars and this by far is the best. Our phone charger works fantastic. The first one that has. Our 2021 honda passport didn't work at all. We don't even take our thick covers off to charge. Those of you who are worried about snow and ice on the wipers- it has a button that heats the wipers to melt the ice. Our radio stays on. Only goes off when door is open. Might be a setting to change yours. We do not have the gap in the door. We though do not get the gas mileage they talk about. We get 18 in town and 26 on highway. We keep the middle small seat in 2nd row stored in the area for it in back. The gap is perfect for our small dog carrier to fit in for our long trips. We have 4000 miles and bought it in August.
How is the acceleration? Some auto reviewers say it is a little slow or sluggish especially when full of people? Also any chance you live at a high elevation? Living at 5000ft does sap power from any non turbo cars. So it is helpful to us when people also living at high elevation describe the acceleration of the suv. Thanks
@@tjsullivan4793 The acceleration is ok. We live at 500 ft though. We did drive to Utah to see my son and he lives at 4400 ft. We only had two people but we were totally loaded down with dog and her stuff also. The only SUV I've had that got up and moved was my Ford Explorer ST. But Ford is having a lot of issues with their Explorers right now. My daughter had her 2023 for only 2 months and turned it back to dealer as a lemon.
@@tjsullivan4793 I've driven from 600-2kft and it is OK for us, but not that high up. The drive modes most definitely change the throttle response. ECON you almost have to get into 1/3 to 1/2 the throttle before it downshifts and takes off. Normal is better and Sport mode it downshifts so it's in the powerband. It's def no rocket ship but coming from a gutless 2012 Forester, it feels pretty good. I had a '14 WRX (for comparison) and the power seems comparable. Obviously a little slower due to the weight. But we had a fully loaded car (2 adults, 3 kids, dog, all our gear stacked in the 3rd row and trunk) and it wasn't much different accel wise than normal. Now, I will be towing a popup camper next summer, and that will be the ultimate test, because we are usually packed to the brim on top of towing the popup. And a loaded Thule cargo box. I'll try and get back to this for an update!
Thanks for your thorough reply it is helpful for sure. Funny but we have a 2011 Forester so I totally relate to driving that under powered car to put it nicely especially living over a mile high. I really need to go drive one with my wife and kids to see how it drives. Keep me posted on your experience. Happy New Year.@@rpiian
lol some of those nitpicks would drive me insane. I watch all these car reviews and it's always the long term owner reviews that are the most helpful. Thanks for sharing. Still loving our 2019 Odyssey EX-L, 77k miles :)
Thanks for making this video - this is likely my next vehicle, so I appreciate you talking about stuff you pick up on after living with for 15k miles. You got my subscription.
Great review! I NEVER paid attention to the Pilots before, until I saw a video pop up here on UA-cam a couple months ago. After seeing the video, we went and test drove one a couple days later. I was absolutely amazed/surprised by the overall experience of the Pilot Elite. We've test driven the MDX, Infiniti QX60, Nissan Pathfinder, Lincoln Aviator, and none of them come close to the overall bang for your buck value that you get for the Pilot Elite. Only thing missing is a digital rear-view mirror and 12in infotainment.
@@FourTheWheels Have you had any issues with leaking from the sunroof? I have seen a lot of reporting of Pilot owners complaining about damage from leakage.
@@createdinHisimage1 no leaking issues for me. However, I have noticed a bit of flex in the pano roof cross member that supports the glass in the middle. Notice it flexing when closing the roof. Might be how it’s designed but it has caught my eye.
Just got a 2024 elite model and it’s awesome. I think it’s the smoothest overall car in the class. This powertrain is so smooth vs palisade, grand highlander, cx90. I find the car to be quieter than older Lexus Rx, Acura tls, and Infiniti g37have driven in the past. Tire noise is sometimes more pronounced but not bad to me. I agree with the criticism on interior design on the screens
THANK YOU FOR THIS! This is perfect timing for my shopping. There are some 2023's around and also the newer 2024's. This allows me to review each model and pay attention to your points. Thanks for this.
What happens to the phone-connection when the engine is turned off? Do the in-car speakers turn off so now only the phone's speaker is engaged? So, that means the car's speaker is turned off, too? I know NOW to check on this when shopping. Again - thanks.
Also, I wish the rear bumper had about 2-inches of spacing away from the rear door to protect the whole rear-door. If I back towards a tree, I will be bumping the whole rear door instead of the so-called 'bumper'. There really is NOT a rear-bumper at all.
Yeah, the short bumper is a question mark when it comes to possibly easier denting of the tailgate in a minor bump. Fingers crossed I never need to “test” it!
In my honda ridgeline. It also turn off the radio when im turning off ignition. But if i want to continuosly use the radio after turning off the engine, i let the engine stay in drive mode before turning off the engine. For black trims, i applied ceramic coating and will stay vibrant
In your case does the push button electronic shifter not automatically put the tranny into park when the engine turns off (if not already in park), which then kills the radio? That’s what happens to me.
@@personperson3990My model has wiper deicer warmers where the wiper blades touch the windshield, but it’s so much easier getting snow off a windshield when you can just flip the wipers up and then use your scraper/brush.
Excellent first-hand review. I appreciate your observations and recommendations. Your insight is helping me decide between the Pilot Elite and Palisade Calligraphy.
Glad the video and my user perspectives are helpful. Tough choice on the two SUVs. Palisade has more tech and a more elegant cabin but the Pilot will likely have better long term reliability and higher resale. Good luck with your choice!
Great review! We just ordered a 2025 Elite, same Grey exterior color. The infotainment screen is a ridiculous oversight - but when test driving the car it was not a deal breaker. The quality of everything else is so good. Thanks for the thorough and balanced review from a real owner!
Appreciate your kind comment! Glad the video was helpful. More real estate on the info screen (and better integration with the dash) would be nice, but I think you’ll find it perfectly adequate. Enjoy your new Pilot!
My 2nd row center seat headreat won't move how did you pull this thing at first place? I tried pressing the two buttons but no luck. Was it this hard for you too??
Mine has some resistance but it should move without forcing it up. Wonder if one or both of the latches is not fully releasing when you depress. If you are still under warranty I suggest checking with your dealership.
Your points about the trailer hitch and braking during cruise control are notable observations that will influence my purchase. Thanks a lot for sharing. I really liked your video. Well done.
Have you looked at after market tow/hitch systems? I have looked at companies like e-trailer,and they offer simple workarounds on the install. Have not done it yet (*JUST* bought our 2025 Pilot 3 weeks ago!), but seems like a one hour install at the most, without replacing the bumper with one with a cutout and keeping the trunk opening sensor in place…
@@PascalBrunet77I have not. I know there are some aftermarket options but I never felt they fit or looked as seamlessly integrated as the OEM set up. Did you go with an aftermarket version?
I think this function was made on the decision that brakes are cheaper then transmissions. If the tranny is constantly changing gears to hold speed, that is more wear and tear on it, where as brake pads are cheap. Just my two cents. BTW, we picked up a used 2023 Pilot Elite in this same color and we love it. 13k miles on it and I agree with nearly all the assessments you make.
On the parking brake situation, I had both an Acura RDX and Honda accord touring at the same time that worked opposite way. The way it’s designed is how the real parking/handbrake would work, in the RDX it’s push on the button (as if you are pushing down on the parking brake pedal) to turn on the emergency brake and on the accord it was pull-up (like pulling up on a handbrake). You can also set it to turn on the ebrake when you turn off the car.
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought.
I have the same elite color, I agree 100 percent on your review, I just don't need a TV sscreen to drive, my charger works perfectly, I'm in Oklahoma usa.
Have been considering this vehicle for our next one but the wipers that can't be completely raised is a no-go in the northern climates with snow and freezing rain. Thanks for the review.
One consolation is that on my trim the electronic wiper deicer feature works well at the base of the windshield to melt any ice frozen to the wiper blades. Overall, though, the wiper arm design is a real PITA.
The lack of a step bumper on the back is regretful. The push buttons for the transmission should be on the dash to make more workspace on the center console.
I have the same vehicle. What an outstanding review! I only have 6000 miles on mine now. I disabled the Variable Cylinder Management and Idle Start/Stop as I see no value in these features together with many downsides. Also, I’m somewhat concerned with intake valve carbon buildup due to the GDI engine design. I wish this engine had dual injection (GDI/multiport) as do Toyotas. Overall, though I agree with all the review points and am very happy with my Pilot.
Thx! Luckily Hondas don’t have a reputation for carbon buildup but it can occur on any DI engine. Can’t stand idle stop/start. Well done getting it turned off for good.
Regarding the engine and comparing to Toyota/Lexus who I would argue are still the benchmark for engine durability etc why is Honda on a newly redesigned engine still using a timing belt and also like you say not using multiport to prevent carbon buildup on DI engines?
Not being able to keep the wipers in the up position is a major design flaw especially if you live in the Midwest in the winter. I’ve owned many vehicles of all make and never was unable to position the wipers in the up orientation. In the midwest during the winter the wiper blades will freeze to the windshield , not good, Thanks for the review.
You can keep the wipers in up position. This is not a design flaw. My 2000 Acura 3.2 TL is like this. We have 2007 Honda Ridgeline also like this. With them, you have to turn key to on position not start. Turn wipers On. When they Raise up on windshield turn key Off. Then you can lift off windshield. The newer Pilot is about same just extra step. Also, you don't have key in ignition switch push button start with these vehicles.
@@fredmoss4540 actually from an engineer’s prospective it is a design flaw. I have a 2023 Ridgeline that does not have that issue. When you have to activate the wipers half way to pull them in the upright position it is an unnecessary step. When you attempt to raise the wipers for whatever reason and the hood prevents you from completing that task it’s absolutely not the way Honda intended it to be. Every vehicle I owned even the 6 figure vehicles I’ve owned did not have that design flaw. In closing it’s not a matter of opinion it is a “design oversight”, thanks
We test drove a 2034 Touring and I really like it. We have a 4Runner and it is highly modded for off-roading, especially at night. Hard to let it go but I miss having heated seats and leather seats that are comfortable. We can’t do sedans, I’m the size of a linebacker and they are also expensive to insure for us. (Thanks Nevada).
Thx! I’m not aware of any changes from the 2023 to the 2024 model. Likely gonna have to wait for the mid-cycle refresh to see if any of my rethink and not-picks get addressed.
We just got our 2025 Honda pilot black edition and absolutely love it. Coming from a 2019 Toyota rav4 and boy what an upgrade in quality! We are going to keep this car for a very long time! Great review!
Congrats! One word of advice (plan to mention in a future vid). I’ve learned that rotating the tires at the 8-9k mark with the free Honda oil change is too long. Keep to around 5-6k miles and the tires should wear more evenly (and thus reduce the chance of cupping and the tires being a little louder).
My local Honda dealers were asking for MSRP along with some useless appearance add ons, so I went with Lexus TX350 with almost 6K off……I still like the Pilot a lot though.
Once the black plastic fades some, the Cerakote Ceramic Trim Coat works very well and it lasts. I would not suggest using it on new plastic. It makes new plastic streaky.
Yes, there is some ambient lighting. Primary place I notice is on the front driver and passenger door cards. Overall very thoughtful ambient lighting on key places where you might look or reach for things.
the bumper and lower rubber trim, I think it's down to final assembly at the plant. compare the bumper against the base model, no fake exhaust, but the bumper looks to be a clip on. Additionally, there's very little to separate the Elite from the Touring in looks.
Thanks for sharing, only time will tell how good the new pilot is on the long run. I’m very interested in the trail sport version. But can’t justify the purchase, mostly because my 07 pilot still runs great and has been super reliable. It’s personal preference but I really don’t like not having a shifter lever & a mechanical parking brake and absolutely dislike those big touchscreens on the dashboard.
I just got the 2024 Touring, upgraded from a 2019 LX. Most of your issues are shared with the touring. Everything is "fine" but the exhaust turndowns are such as copout.
Thank you for the review of your Pilot. We also have a family of five and have a Sienna for daily driving. I am looking into a car for myself to commute through some mountain highways to work and for the occasional family trip into the mountains. What would you think about the Pilot as a commuter car? Is it too big? The third row also would prevent the kids from being on top of each other during those trip. I am also considering the Passport but it has the older engine/9 speed transmission and gets 1 MPG less on the hwy! Thank you for your time.
It’s certainly very comfortable. Commuter type driving may push your avg mpg into the lower 20s. Will say the “Sport” setting of the engine/transmission is a great setting for mountain driving with it keeping revs up into the power band and enough engine braking to not overwork the brakes. Don’t think I would like the vehicle for long stop and go commuting because the 1st gear ratio is so short that it will start to feel jerky after a while.
I agree with everything brought out in this video. I recently purchased a 2024 Pilot Elite. I am disappointed with the heads-up display cut off on the right. My Volvo allows the HUD to be adjusted to the left. Also, I'm disappointed with the wireless charger. Nevertheless, I am overall happy with the vehicle, these are just "nits"
I had a 1988 Chevy Blazer with heads-up and it was FANTASTIC. The 1990 Blazer had even more vivid colors. Since that time, NO vehicle has matched the distinctive display or the sun-shine-combative colorations, OR the range of viewing angles I don't know why. By the way, Chevy and GM dealers told me they never worked. Funny - we had FLEETS (3 doz each model year) and we never had one failure. These dealers made us leave them and move to Toyotas and Hondas instead because we didn't know what else Chevy/GM dealers would lie about.
Yeah, I can't believe Honda wasn't benchmarking Telluride/Palisade/Highlander when they decided on the infotainment screen size. I get that they need to leave something for the mid-cycle refresh, but 9 inches? It's serviceable but just barely.
Great review! I am also in the market for new Pilot Elite. Couple of disappointments, the smaller screen obviously and secondly we cannot raise the front passenger seat on the Pilot. I found the passenger seat to be at lower position. Are you okay with it or there is a way to raise it by any after market solution.
Thank you for watching! Height adjustment for the passenger seat would be a welcome addition. However, my wife at 5’4” has not complained about it. I have not looked at any seat rail height extenders. Size of infotainment screen should be larger, but I think you’ll find it fully adequate.
Is there a way to move the wiper blades when the car is off? In my VW GTI you push down on the wiper stalk after turning the ignition off, and they sweep to the "up" position where they can be serviced.
Here’s what the owner’s manual says… “Set the power mode to VEHICLE OFF. While holding the wiper switch in the MIST position, set the power mode to ON, then to VEHICLE OFF. Both wiper arms are set to the maintenance position as shown in the image.” The image then shows the wipers in a 90 degree position (pointing skyward).
Regarding the small infotainment system display, it is disappointing that its smaller than the the other cars in this class. But have you found the size to be an actual problem in real life usage? Also, how are the safety features on the pilot? On my 2016 Odyssey the phantom brake warnings are too sensitive and not useful.
It would be nice to have some more “real estate” on the screen but I have not found it to be a problem. The menus on the screen are simple to navigate to what you want from the infotainment system. And, it has yet to glitch on me. Safety features work as designed and work well. Only minor concern for me is in certain bright light conditions it can sometimes be difficult to see the blind spot yellow warning light on the outside mirrors - for me not enough color contrast from the yellow warning light to the silver mirror finish of the side mirrors.
You mentioned a very good list of ideas, I was hoping that you would add another idea that in these days and age a camera recording front and rear of the car would help the driver and law Enforcements in case of a collision .
Interesting idea. One additional feature I do like a lot is the front view camera that turns on automatically and projects on the infotainment display when the Pilot gets close to an object like another car in a parking lot, front of your garage, or a curb.
I think the push button controls definitely should move to the dash or even one of the steering wheel stocks (like some Chevy SUVs and other brands.) That would open up more space on the center console, and hopefully that would get rid of the piano black plastic trim. I *hate* piano black plastic! Oh, and that's a MONSTER door gap! Wow! Definitely early production issue (at least I hope.)
Thankfully Honda doesn’t use a lot of piano black plastic in the Pilot but the shifter button area is certainly noticeable. Yeah, early production issues what I suspect. Reported the gap to my dealership and they reported it to some kind of corporate Honda database for tracking.
yes, remove all the buttons for the console.. it is getting so annoying if you have a big dog.. it happened many times that my dog's feet pressed some of the buttons while I was driving. I used cardboard to cover them up..
Thank you for a very informative and honest perspective from an owner’s perspective. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on one but cannot decide on the Elite vs. Touring trim. Can you tell me your perspective on the multicamera system on the Elite (shared with the Trailsport)? I cannot tell how useful it is in the real world situations or is it gimmick.
Appreciate your comment! I find the 360 multi-camera view very useful and worth it. 360 view is great for parking in tight spaces and the front camera automatically turns on when you get close to objects such as pulling into parking stalls with a car in front of you, a curb, garage front wall or objects in front of car, or shrubs in front of a parking spot. The 360 views turn off automatically when the vehicle passes 15 mph (and won’t display when going faster than 15 mph). The front view can also be turned on manually with a button on the end of the right stalk when below 15 mph.
For me, i like the position of the exhaust pipe directed to the ground. While loading up things at the back while warming up engine during winter, i think the smoke from muffler will not go straight to my leg. Not sure if this correct, i will know once i have my 2025 honda pilot at the end of april.
Good luck with your purchase! I have several other cars with straight dual exhausts and have never had any issues with smoke or heat, but angling down would mitigate the potential.
Surprised you didn’t say a miss on this is the lack of a rearview mirror camera if the view is blocked by luggage or passengers…especially in top trim..
Great point. I should’ve included the lack of a digital rear view camera option as a nit pick. It was on my list at one point! Overall, though, haven’t noticed too many issues getting good views looking outside the vehicle if you get all your mirrors set up correctly.
I typically only use the adaptive cruise and lane keeping (i.e. semi autonomous steering). Both work fine. Only issue with lane keeping is it will sometimes want to take an interstate off ramp since it detects the right solid white line moving right.
I don't have tjat gab on the doors, my radio stay on until I open the doors ,practically you can change about everything the way you want or not want as you like
Not sure but I’d guess the plastic at the bottom on the sides of the vehicle is there to reduce exposure to rust. Those are the first parts of the car to rust typically so making them out of plastic provides some protection there.
They mostly just cover up the metal at the bottom of the door. At least with the plastic it doesn’t get chipped from rocks being kicked up from the tires.
I wouldn’t want hot exhaust running and exiting right below expensive blind spot sensors. I suspect this is why Honda dropped the exhaust further under the rear. Also can the HUD display position be adjusted? The one in my Hyundai can.
Our 2023 Honda pilot the passenger front seat is too narrow. I don’t feel like I’m sitting in the center. The armrest are good, but I think I’m twisting my body to sit in the center of the seat on the needs to make a wider seat.
You should be able to put the wiper blades up after you turn the car off and use the windshield wipers so that they stop halfway up the front window amd then pull them off the glass.
On my 1990 Acura Legend, Honda has a “winter” switch for the wipers that would park the wipers above the hidden area of the hood so that you could lift up the wipers to scrape, etc. Brilliant idea I wish they never get rid of.
HONDA ENGINEERS ARE YOU LISTENING? I agree 100% about the cruise control, why it doesn't downshift or have a lax behavior blows my mind. I am constantly cancelling, and downshifting like you mentioned to hold hills that are miles long. I can just see what the other drivers are thinking, like why is this guy riding his brakes so much?? It also drives me nuts that it has no tolerance for coasting on a slight downhill. I get if you're coming up on a car, ya gotta brake. But there's literally nobody around and it brakes like there's a speedcheck ahead. Also, I can't comment on the wireless charger much as it doesn't work with my particular phone case and iphone. Only if I take the phone out of the case, unfortunately.
You hit the nail on the head with the cruise control. Well said. It’s particularly annoying if you’re on a stretch of highway with a lot of small hills…downshifting to maintain speed up the hill and then constant, regular brake applications on the downside of the hill. The repeated pattern gets old and I have to turn off cruise.
@@FourTheWheels For sure!! They could even do the EV thing where if they downshift and the car is decelerating, they light the brake lights (but not the physical brakes). Seems like a no brainer.
How is the acceleration? Some auto reviewers say it is a little slow or sluggish especially when full of people? Also any chance you live at a high elevation? Living at 5000ft does sap power from any non turbo cars. So it is helpful to us when people also living at high elevation describe the acceleration of the suv. Thanks
I live at around 400 ft elevation. I find the engine fully adequate but it would be nice if it had a bit more torque. This is most noticeable at highway speeds when you need to quickly pass another car. Haven’t driven it above 3,500 ft elevation. 10-speed’s low gear ratios in gears 1-3 make up for the torque during in town driving.
ymmv on the wireless charger, worked fine for my Pixel 6 and even better with my Pixel 8. as for the phone getting hot, that's an issue typical of any Qi charger.
@ediliver4255 thx! Acceleration is fully adequate. No issues with a full load (just be sure to move drive mode from Econ to Normal if you’ve got a full load). 1-2 gearing is pretty low so takes off easily from a stoplight. When up to speed torque feel is a little lower than I’d prefer, though, and you will notice that especially when needing to pass quickly.
Love this Video, very informative! everything that he said is very realistic and accurate for me, though i can deal with most of everything that needed to be improved, there is 1 thing that i can not deal to buy this fantastic SUV, that is the gas tank for me, its the deal breaker for me, i need a 500 miles range vehicle if i spent 50k plus, after everything done , it's probably about 60k. Sorry Honda !
Thx for watching! If I’m easy on the gas and can eke out 27 mpg on the highway I can get close to 400 miles when the gas light comes on. If you’re going 75mph+ I’d expect around 340-360 miles. Gas tank size is disappointing, but it hasn’t been too much of an issue for us…but haven’t had to drive across the country, yet!
Did a DIY oil change at 4200 miles (60% maintenance minder). Dealership change at 8400 miles (15% maint minder). Next DIY at 12400 miles (60% maint minder). Currently at 16950 miles and 20% maint minder. Planning to schedule a dealership oil change within next week.
I personally prefer Valvoline Premium Full Synthetic Extended Protection 0W-20. It’s a top tier oil. I always use a genuine Honda OEM oil filter. Check out my UA-cam video on how to do a DIY Pilot oil change.
Important. How good and accurate is the gps and navigation system. I have a 2016 Pilot where everything else is really good, but the navigation system is pitiful. Upgrades are equally pitiful. I understand that most people use their cellphones, but the VEHICLE should have a very good one too.
Good question. The native navigation system on my 2023 is not a strongpoint. It’s a bit cumbersome to use. Thankfully the wireless Apple CarPlay works well and I just use my iPhone’s Google Maps which displays perfectly on the Pilot’s infotainment display.
@@FourTheWheels 350 miles per tank is crazy.. I was on a trip and was looking for gas station when it neared 100 miles left. I still recall I got 650 miles on my ex 15 honda accord and it had like 12 gallon tanks only..
We're in the market for a Pilot (Touring). Thank you for sharing your actual day to day ownership observations. That wiper design is awful for those that have to deal with snow/freezing conditions. Not being able to leave them lifted is going to be a dangerous PITA dealing with frozen wipers. Not a fan of the braking during cruise control rather than downshifting. I could see it being chosen to warn tailgaters, but I'd much rather just downshift. That fuel range is disappointing for such a large vehicle. Our little budget sedan gets more! Now it's making me reconsider going with the Odyssey instead. Love the efficiency of a minivan but, man, are they ugly. Kia gets it with their Carnival, I'm just not a fan of their track record with reliability. How do you like the heated steering wheel? That and maybe the side step rails (for the kids) are the only optional add-ons we'd even consider.
Heated steering wheel works great. Heats up very quickly. I can remote start from a distance in a large parking lot (heated steering wheel comes on automatically in cold weather) and by the time I get to the car there’s already a lot of warmth felt from the wheel. Had an Odyssey prior. Most “functional” vehicle I’ve ever owned. Great road tripping vehicle with tons of space.
I am across the border up north and the Pilot comes with windshield warmer which deice the windshield where the wipers are with remote start and haven’t had an issue yet. Will see how this month performs when winter really starts and stuff kicks into higher gear.
The wiper thing might be a deal breaker for me, as I live in Wisconsin and park outdoors. We always prop the wipers up to clear snow and ice off the windshield and not being able to do that would be incredibly annoying. Never would have thought to look for that. Thanks for pointing it out!
I agree that Honda has solved the brake warping issue. I’ve owned 6 Hondas going back to 1980, had issues with warping. I am currently driving a 2019 Elite. It has 77,000 miles. No warping after multiple tire rotations, tire replacements. In fact, it still has the original pads.
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought.
I love the Pilot but I cant stand the rear side window design, they should have made the glass larger and more seamless with the side windows. It looks clunky but I love the design otherwise.
@@FourTheWheels I’m looking to get an exl in the future. I noticed prices drop on the pilot,passport and ridgeline much faster than Honda’s 4 cylinders. One can easily get a pilot exl for about $3-$5 less than stick with only several thousand miles on them. I like the hustle
We are going to purchase a Pilot in spring of 2025. Everything we seen so far we love. So highly recommend this vehicle? We are a family of 4 our kids are young teens so this might be perfect.
I would highly recommend the Pilot. Space might be a little tight, though, if there are six total of you (assuming you’re using the 3rd row) in the vehicle for long trips plus baggage.
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought. I share your pain regarding the wipers. Whoever approved the wiper design has never lived in a snowy/icy climate. I like to lift my wipers off the windshield after parking for the night…beats having to peel the wipers off glass in the AM. I’m getting close to pulling the trigger on a new ‘24 EX-L Pilot. 😊
Interesting way of thinking about the e-parking brake approach. Thx for sharing. Wish Honda would go back to a wiper arm design like the type used on the ‘13-‘17 Accord.
@@FourTheWheels, I agree regarding the wipers. I can’t lift the wipers off the glass on my RDX, my wife’s CX-30 or the Acura TLX I had before my RDX. Yet my son’s ‘23 F150 has the feature. 😕. I think Honda does it for aerodynamic reasons. As much of a pain it is at the gas station, try digging ice and snow out of that deep pocket in the winter with non-lifting wipers…it’s a ROYAL pain. Do you happen to know if the Pilot has self-pairing TPMS sensors? I run snow tires on all 4 wheels on my car in the winter.
What i absolutely hate in HP2023 is a quality of paint (they saved a lot on clear coat) and driver avarness system when you actually need to move wheel to disable alarm. It is dangerous. What I will also improve is a noise from the engine (I am not a fun of F1 engine noise) and shaky feeling from suspension. Otherwise, the best buy for $
That would be cool…a Type R Pilot?! Standard power is fine but a little more torque would be nice. Would be interesting if Honda offered the 2.0 turbo motor in the Pilot making somewhere around 300 hp and 310 ft lbs.
it is very common, in newer cars now, my wife has a Nissan SUV, same issue.. soon or later, the wiper arm will create rust to the hood.. it happened to my wife car since we need to lift it up to clean snow.. and after a few years.. "hit and hit.. and hit" == the paint will peel off and then water... and snow.. == rust..
Carbon build up is a risk for any DI engine but luckily Honda does not have a reputation for excessively quick carbon build up on their engines. Timing chain would be preferred but Honda has a good reputation on their OEM timing belts. It’s a tried and true design for V6 Hondas, albeit an expensive maint job every 100k miles or 7 yrs.
one more thing you can complain about is that it is not a dog-proof design. I personally don't like the push button for the brake, shift. I have a golden who sometime, will come up front and look at stuff when I am with her alone. 50% of the time her feet will hit the brake hold button. I used cardboard to cover up most of the buttons.
I think the Acura version MDX skips the black plastic for paint for more upscale luxury look. I don’t think Honda really embraces luxury even in Elite model designs. I agree the texture makes cleaning difficult. In my ‘24 one annoying infotainment “feature “ is if I am listening to XM but my wife’s phone plays a video it changes the selected audio source and makes me go back repeatedly to the radio.
Funny…same issue happens with my wife and me! It can be a bit cumbersome switching between different phones for Apple CarPlay when you’re driving down the road and want to switch connected phones.
We have a 2023 HPD Elite Pilot and absolutely love it. I now have had 6 Acura/Honda cars and this by far is the best. Our phone charger works fantastic. The first one that has. Our 2021 honda passport didn't work at all. We don't even take our thick covers off to charge. Those of you who are worried about snow and ice on the wipers- it has a button that heats the wipers to melt the ice. Our radio stays on. Only goes off when door is open. Might be a setting to change yours. We do not have the gap in the door. We though do not get the gas mileage they talk about. We get 18 in town and 26 on highway. We keep the middle small seat in 2nd row stored in the area for it in back. The gap is perfect for our small dog carrier to fit in for our long trips. We have 4000 miles and bought it in August.
How is the acceleration? Some auto reviewers say it is a little slow or sluggish especially when full of people? Also any chance you live at a high elevation? Living at 5000ft does sap power from any non turbo cars. So it is helpful to us when people also living at high elevation describe the acceleration of the suv. Thanks
@@tjsullivan4793 The acceleration is ok. We live at 500 ft though. We did drive to Utah to see my son and he lives at 4400 ft. We only had two people but we were totally loaded down with dog and her stuff also. The only SUV I've had that got up and moved was my Ford Explorer ST. But Ford is having a lot of issues with their Explorers right now. My daughter had her 2023 for only 2 months and turned it back to dealer as a lemon.
@@tjsullivan4793 I've driven from 600-2kft and it is OK for us, but not that high up. The drive modes most definitely change the throttle response. ECON you almost have to get into 1/3 to 1/2 the throttle before it downshifts and takes off. Normal is better and Sport mode it downshifts so it's in the powerband. It's def no rocket ship but coming from a gutless 2012 Forester, it feels pretty good. I had a '14 WRX (for comparison) and the power seems comparable. Obviously a little slower due to the weight. But we had a fully loaded car (2 adults, 3 kids, dog, all our gear stacked in the 3rd row and trunk) and it wasn't much different accel wise than normal. Now, I will be towing a popup camper next summer, and that will be the ultimate test, because we are usually packed to the brim on top of towing the popup. And a loaded Thule cargo box. I'll try and get back to this for an update!
Thanks for your thorough reply it is helpful for sure. Funny but we have a 2011 Forester so I totally relate to driving that under powered car to put it nicely especially living over a mile high. I really need to go drive one with my wife and kids to see how it drives. Keep me posted on your experience. Happy New Year.@@rpiian
As a new owner, 1:10 I can agree this is a great car smooth, and the acceleration is effortless
lol some of those nitpicks would drive me insane. I watch all these car reviews and it's always the long term owner reviews that are the most helpful. Thanks for sharing.
Still loving our 2019 Odyssey EX-L, 77k miles :)
Yeah, new car reviews are great but the long term owner experience is really where you learn how a vehicle performs in real life. Thx for commenting.
I have a Honda Pilot 2019 with 35,000 miles, excellent vehicle, very happy with the purchase
Thanks for making this video - this is likely my next vehicle, so I appreciate you talking about stuff you pick up on after living with for 15k miles. You got my subscription.
Glad to hear it was helpful and thanks for subscribing! Hope to roll out some additional Pilot experience content soon.
Great review! I NEVER paid attention to the Pilots before, until I saw a video pop up here on UA-cam a couple months ago. After seeing the video, we went and test drove one a couple days later. I was absolutely amazed/surprised by the overall experience of the Pilot Elite. We've test driven the MDX, Infiniti QX60, Nissan Pathfinder, Lincoln Aviator, and none of them come close to the overall bang for your buck value that you get for the Pilot Elite. Only thing missing is a digital rear-view mirror and 12in infotainment.
A digital rear view mirror should also be included at least at the Elite trim level.
Did you test drive the Lexus TX?
@@sashamillaus9187 I did not. Wanted to test drive the Grand Highlander but needed a new vehicle before it came out.
@@FourTheWheels Have you had any issues with leaking from the sunroof? I have seen a lot of reporting of Pilot owners complaining about damage from leakage.
@@createdinHisimage1 no leaking issues for me. However, I have noticed a bit of flex in the pano roof cross member that supports the glass in the middle. Notice it flexing when closing the roof. Might be how it’s designed but it has caught my eye.
Just got a 2024 elite model and it’s awesome. I think it’s the smoothest overall car in the class. This powertrain is so smooth vs palisade, grand highlander, cx90. I find the car to be quieter than older Lexus Rx, Acura tls, and Infiniti g37have driven in the past. Tire noise is sometimes more pronounced but not bad to me. I agree with the criticism on interior design on the screens
I didn’t mention in video but the wind noise is also well contained. Just the tires on rough pavement that gets me. Overall just a great SUV to drive.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! This is perfect timing for my shopping. There are some 2023's around and also the newer 2024's. This allows me to review each model and pay attention to your points. Thanks for this.
What happens to the phone-connection when the engine is turned off? Do the in-car speakers turn off so now only the phone's speaker is engaged? So, that means the car's speaker is turned off, too? I know NOW to check on this when shopping. Again - thanks.
Also, I wish the rear bumper had about 2-inches of spacing away from the rear door to protect the whole rear-door. If I back towards a tree, I will be bumping the whole rear door instead of the so-called 'bumper'. There really is NOT a rear-bumper at all.
Glad the video is helpful! A Bluetooth/CarPlay connected phone cuts off, too (automatically transfers back to phone), when the engine shuts off.
Yeah, the short bumper is a question mark when it comes to possibly easier denting of the tailgate in a minor bump. Fingers crossed I never need to “test” it!
Our Honda 2023 Black Edition doing well after 37000Km, very safe and sound. Good choise at all.
Thank you for your honest and valid points. You answered a lot of questions I had on purchasing a new Pilot.
Glad it was helpful!
Another small issue- When you remove middle seat, you don’t have Armrests in the captain chairs.
I agree that’s the reason I was in between the 7 or 8 seater that very reason it’s not a captains chair without the arm rest
Deal breaker for me . Need arm rests for comfort during long road trips
ohhhhhhhhhhh, this would not have occurred to me until after purchase. Thank you!
I wonder if the Acura MDX has fixed this or not.
In my honda ridgeline. It also turn off the radio when im turning off ignition. But if i want to continuosly use the radio after turning off the engine, i let the engine stay in drive mode before turning off the engine. For black trims, i applied ceramic coating and will stay vibrant
In your case does the push button electronic shifter not automatically put the tranny into park when the engine turns off (if not already in park), which then kills the radio? That’s what happens to me.
The windshield wipers have a maintenance mode that put the wipers up so you can pull them away from the windshield. Check your manual.
Yep, that’s the procedure.
I just bought a 2025 and I didn't know this about the wipers. I live in a snowy area and that is going to be very annoying.
@@personperson3990My model has wiper deicer warmers where the wiper blades touch the windshield, but it’s so much easier getting snow off a windshield when you can just flip the wipers up and then use your scraper/brush.
Excellent first-hand review. I appreciate your observations and recommendations. Your insight is helping me decide between the Pilot Elite and Palisade Calligraphy.
Glad the video and my user perspectives are helpful. Tough choice on the two SUVs. Palisade has more tech and a more elegant cabin but the Pilot will likely have better long term reliability and higher resale. Good luck with your choice!
Thank you for the thorough and objective review! The best review on the 2023 Honda Pilot.
Kind of you to say that. Thx for watching and leaving a comment!
Great review! We just ordered a 2025 Elite, same Grey exterior color. The infotainment screen is a ridiculous oversight - but when test driving the car it was not a deal breaker. The quality of everything else is so good.
Thanks for the thorough and balanced review from a real owner!
Appreciate your kind comment! Glad the video was helpful. More real estate on the info screen (and better integration with the dash) would be nice, but I think you’ll find it perfectly adequate. Enjoy your new Pilot!
Thanks so much for your reply! I will keep up with your channel for updates on ownership! 😀
Absolutely incredible video. Thanks for making this. I have a '23 pathfinder and wish i would have got this instead.
Glad you enjoyed it and found it useful! Nothing wrong with the Pathfinder; it’s a solid vehicle.
My 2nd row center seat headreat won't move how did you pull this thing at first place? I tried pressing the two buttons but no luck. Was it this hard for you too??
Mine has some resistance but it should move without forcing it up. Wonder if one or both of the latches is not fully releasing when you depress. If you are still under warranty I suggest checking with your dealership.
Thanks RJ! Just bought the 2024 Elite, I love it! Definitely chose it for Honda's reputation for reliability!
Congrats! I think you’ll really enjoy it.
Your points about the trailer hitch and braking during cruise control are notable observations that will influence my purchase. Thanks a lot for sharing. I really liked your video. Well done.
Glad I could provide some helpful owner insights. Good luck with whatever you decide to purchase.
Have you looked at after market tow/hitch systems? I have looked at companies like e-trailer,and they offer simple workarounds on the install. Have not done it yet (*JUST* bought our 2025 Pilot 3 weeks ago!), but seems like a one hour install at the most, without replacing the bumper with one with a cutout and keeping the trunk opening sensor in place…
@@PascalBrunet77I have not. I know there are some aftermarket options but I never felt they fit or looked as seamlessly integrated as the OEM set up. Did you go with an aftermarket version?
I think this function was made on the decision that brakes are cheaper then transmissions. If the tranny is constantly changing gears to hold speed, that is more wear and tear on it, where as brake pads are cheap. Just my two cents. BTW, we picked up a used 2023 Pilot Elite in this same color and we love it. 13k miles on it and I agree with nearly all the assessments you make.
On the parking brake situation, I had both an Acura RDX and Honda accord touring at the same time that worked opposite way. The way it’s designed is how the real parking/handbrake would work, in the RDX it’s push on the button (as if you are pushing down on the parking brake pedal) to turn on the emergency brake and on the accord it was pull-up (like pulling up on a handbrake). You can also set it to turn on the ebrake when you turn off the car.
Good explanation!
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought.
Very well said in all of your points... You hit every major point and Honda should use your video for engineering.
Thx, appreciate that! Certainly hope my observations and the many comments like yours can influence the mid cycle refresh.
I have the same elite color, I agree 100 percent on your review, I just don't need a TV sscreen to drive, my charger works perfectly, I'm in Oklahoma usa.
Have been considering this vehicle for our next one but the wipers that can't be completely raised is a no-go in the northern climates with snow and freezing rain. Thanks for the review.
One consolation is that on my trim the electronic wiper deicer feature works well at the base of the windshield to melt any ice frozen to the wiper blades. Overall, though, the wiper arm design is a real PITA.
I’ve never understood why all manufacturers went away from column shifters. My 2008 pilot had the column shifter- so simple, never in the way.
Check out the new column shifter on the recently revealed 2025 Chevy Tahoe/Suburban mid cycle refresh. Nice set up.
The lack of a step bumper on the back is regretful.
The push buttons for the transmission should be on the dash to make more workspace on the center console.
I have the same vehicle. What an outstanding review! I only have 6000 miles on mine now. I disabled the Variable Cylinder Management and Idle Start/Stop as I see no value in these features together with many downsides. Also, I’m somewhat concerned with intake valve carbon buildup due to the GDI engine design. I wish this engine had dual injection (GDI/multiport) as do Toyotas. Overall, though I agree with all the review points and am very happy with my Pilot.
Thx! Luckily Hondas don’t have a reputation for carbon buildup but it can occur on any DI engine. Can’t stand idle stop/start. Well done getting it turned off for good.
How did you disable the variable cylinder management and auto/stop feature?
Regarding the engine and comparing to Toyota/Lexus who I would argue are still the benchmark for engine durability etc why is Honda on a newly redesigned engine still using a timing belt and also like you say not using multiport to prevent carbon buildup on DI engines?
@@tjsullivan4793fair question. I’ve replaced a lot of Honda timing belts in my decades of Honda ownership.
Not being able to keep the wipers in the up position is a major design flaw especially if you live in the Midwest in the winter. I’ve owned many vehicles of all make and never was unable to position the wipers in the up orientation. In the midwest during the winter the wiper blades will freeze to the windshield , not good, Thanks for the review.
You can keep the wipers in up position. This is not a design flaw.
My 2000 Acura 3.2 TL is like this.
We have 2007 Honda Ridgeline also like this.
With them, you have to turn key to on position not start. Turn wipers On. When they Raise up on windshield turn key Off.
Then you can lift off windshield.
The newer Pilot is about same just extra step. Also, you don't have key in ignition switch push button start with these vehicles.
@@fredmoss4540 actually from an engineer’s prospective it is a design flaw. I have a 2023 Ridgeline that does not have that issue. When you have to activate the wipers half way to pull them in the upright position it is an unnecessary step. When you attempt to raise the wipers for whatever reason and the hood prevents you from completing that task it’s absolutely not the way Honda intended it to be. Every vehicle I owned even the 6 figure vehicles I’ve owned did not have that design flaw. In closing it’s not a matter of opinion it is a “design oversight”, thanks
@lawdog516 from your words it sounds you don't have engineering education. Keep you opinion for yourself.
We test drove a 2034 Touring and I really like it. We have a 4Runner and it is highly modded for off-roading, especially at night. Hard to let it go but I miss having heated seats and leather seats that are comfortable. We can’t do sedans, I’m the size of a linebacker and they are also expensive to insure for us. (Thanks Nevada).
Two great SUVs playing different roles. You’re likely gonna be much more comfortable in the Pilot. Good luck!
I love my Honda pilot elite ❤
Great video. I hope you have or will make a video on the 2024 pilot
Thx! I’m not aware of any changes from the 2023 to the 2024 model. Likely gonna have to wait for the mid-cycle refresh to see if any of my rethink and not-picks get addressed.
Both Honda and Toyota are killing it ❤
We just got our 2025 Honda pilot black edition and absolutely love it. Coming from a 2019 Toyota rav4 and boy what an upgrade in quality! We are going to keep this car for a very long time! Great review!
Congrats! One word of advice (plan to mention in a future vid). I’ve learned that rotating the tires at the 8-9k mark with the free Honda oil change is too long. Keep to around 5-6k miles and the tires should wear more evenly (and thus reduce the chance of cupping and the tires being a little louder).
@@FourTheWheels thank you I appreciate that! Keep the great videos coming
I might buy one of these once more used ones pop up. My other choice is a GX 460 which can be had for mid 40s for one that's a couple years old
My local Honda dealers were asking for MSRP along with some useless appearance add ons, so I went with Lexus TX350 with almost 6K off……I still like the Pilot a lot though.
There’s no reason to pay MSRP on a new Pilot in today’s world. The TX350 is a great vehicle. Well done!
Pilots at this moment can be had for 10%ish off MSRP.
I agree with every item mentioned. Especially the small screen. Good review.
Thx for watching and the comment.
Once the black plastic fades some, the Cerakote Ceramic Trim Coat works very well and it lasts. I would not suggest using it on new plastic. It makes new plastic streaky.
Does the Elite trim have the ambient lighting on the dash lie the Black Edition?
Yes, there is some ambient lighting. Primary place I notice is on the front driver and passenger door cards. Overall very thoughtful ambient lighting on key places where you might look or reach for things.
the bumper and lower rubber trim, I think it's down to final assembly at the plant. compare the bumper against the base model, no fake exhaust, but the bumper looks to be a clip on. Additionally, there's very little to separate the Elite from the Touring in looks.
Thanks for sharing, only time will tell how good the new pilot is on the long run. I’m very interested in the trail sport version. But can’t justify the purchase, mostly because my 07 pilot still runs great and has been super reliable.
It’s personal preference but I really don’t like not having a shifter lever & a mechanical parking brake and absolutely dislike those big touchscreens on the dashboard.
I just got the 2024 Touring, upgraded from a 2019 LX. Most of your issues are shared with the touring. Everything is "fine" but the exhaust turndowns are such as copout.
Just got my first Honda. I went with a 2024 Honda Pilot Trailsport
Thank you for the review of your Pilot. We also have a family of five and have a Sienna for daily driving. I am looking into a car for myself to commute through some mountain highways to work and for the occasional family trip into the mountains. What would you think about the Pilot as a commuter car? Is it too big? The third row also would prevent the kids from being on top of each other during those trip. I am also considering the Passport but it has the older engine/9 speed transmission and gets 1 MPG less on the hwy! Thank you for your time.
It’s certainly very comfortable. Commuter type driving may push your avg mpg into the lower 20s. Will say the “Sport” setting of the engine/transmission is a great setting for mountain driving with it keeping revs up into the power band and enough engine braking to not overwork the brakes. Don’t think I would like the vehicle for long stop and go commuting because the 1st gear ratio is so short that it will start to feel jerky after a while.
I agree with everything brought out in this video. I recently purchased a 2024 Pilot Elite. I am disappointed with the heads-up display cut off on the right. My Volvo allows the HUD to be adjusted to the left. Also, I'm disappointed with the wireless charger. Nevertheless, I am overall happy with the vehicle, these are just "nits"
Unfortunate that the HUD can only be adjusted up and down. Seems like wireless charging is often a miss for most manufacturers.
I had a 1988 Chevy Blazer with heads-up and it was FANTASTIC. The 1990 Blazer had even more vivid colors. Since that time, NO vehicle has matched the distinctive display or the sun-shine-combative colorations, OR the range of viewing angles I don't know why. By the way, Chevy and GM dealers told me they never worked. Funny - we had FLEETS (3 doz each model year) and we never had one failure. These dealers made us leave them and move to Toyotas and Hondas instead because we didn't know what else Chevy/GM dealers would lie about.
Yeah, I can't believe Honda wasn't benchmarking Telluride/Palisade/Highlander when they decided on the infotainment screen size. I get that they need to leave something for the mid-cycle refresh, but 9 inches? It's serviceable but just barely.
Yeah, this one is a head scratcher for me why they didn’t go with the 12” display from the start.
Great review! I am also in the market for new Pilot Elite. Couple of disappointments, the smaller screen obviously and secondly we cannot raise the front passenger seat on the Pilot. I found the passenger seat to be at lower position. Are you okay with it or there is a way to raise it by any after market solution.
Thank you for watching! Height adjustment for the passenger seat would be a welcome addition. However, my wife at 5’4” has not complained about it. I have not looked at any seat rail height extenders. Size of infotainment screen should be larger, but I think you’ll find it fully adequate.
Is there a way to move the wiper blades when the car is off? In my VW GTI you push down on the wiper stalk after turning the ignition off, and they sweep to the "up" position where they can be serviced.
Here’s what the owner’s manual says…
“Set the power mode to VEHICLE OFF.
While holding the wiper switch in the MIST position, set the power mode to ON, then to VEHICLE OFF.
Both wiper arms are set to the maintenance position as shown in the image.” The image then shows the wipers in a 90 degree position (pointing skyward).
Can you adjust the pedals ? Are the pedals power adjustable ? Is there a button or something to adjust them ?
No power adjustment for the pedals.
Regarding the small infotainment system display, it is disappointing that its smaller than the the other cars in this class. But have you found the size to be an actual problem in real life usage? Also, how are the safety features on the pilot? On my 2016 Odyssey the phantom brake warnings are too sensitive and not useful.
It would be nice to have some more “real estate” on the screen but I have not found it to be a problem. The menus on the screen are simple to navigate to what you want from the infotainment system. And, it has yet to glitch on me. Safety features work as designed and work well. Only minor concern for me is in certain bright light conditions it can sometimes be difficult to see the blind spot yellow warning light on the outside mirrors - for me not enough color contrast from the yellow warning light to the silver mirror finish of the side mirrors.
You mentioned a very good list of ideas, I was hoping that you would add another idea that in these days and age a camera recording front and rear of the car would help the driver and law Enforcements in case of a collision .
Interesting idea. One additional feature I do like a lot is the front view camera that turns on automatically and projects on the infotainment display when the Pilot gets close to an object like another car in a parking lot, front of your garage, or a curb.
I don’t like fake exhaust vents either but it’s appreciative thinking when it comes to loading the trunk. 4”exhaust pipes can be quite hot 🔥
I think the push button controls definitely should move to the dash or even one of the steering wheel stocks (like some Chevy SUVs and other brands.) That would open up more space on the center console, and hopefully that would get rid of the piano black plastic trim. I *hate* piano black plastic! Oh, and that's a MONSTER door gap! Wow! Definitely early production issue (at least I hope.)
Thankfully Honda doesn’t use a lot of piano black plastic in the Pilot but the shifter button area is certainly noticeable. Yeah, early production issues what I suspect. Reported the gap to my dealership and they reported it to some kind of corporate Honda database for tracking.
yes, remove all the buttons for the console.. it is getting so annoying if you have a big dog.. it happened many times that my dog's feet pressed some of the buttons while I was driving. I used cardboard to cover them up..
Could be a silly question-wonder if the Elite 2nd row (removable) middle seat can recline, like the rest of the 2nd row seats? Thank you
It reclines to the same degree as the two outboard seats.
Thank you for a very informative and honest perspective from an owner’s perspective. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on one but cannot decide on the Elite vs. Touring trim. Can you tell me your perspective on the multicamera system on the Elite (shared with the Trailsport)? I cannot tell how useful it is in the real world situations or is it gimmick.
Appreciate your comment! I find the 360 multi-camera view very useful and worth it. 360 view is great for parking in tight spaces and the front camera automatically turns on when you get close to objects such as pulling into parking stalls with a car in front of you, a curb, garage front wall or objects in front of car, or shrubs in front of a parking spot. The 360 views turn off automatically when the vehicle passes 15 mph (and won’t display when going faster than 15 mph). The front view can also be turned on manually with a button on the end of the right stalk when below 15 mph.
Love our Pilot Elite!
Nice vehicle. Waiting for the hybrid.
For me, i like the position of the exhaust pipe directed to the ground. While loading up things at the back while warming up engine during winter, i think the smoke from muffler will not go straight to my leg. Not sure if this correct, i will know once i have my 2025 honda pilot at the end of april.
Good luck with your purchase! I have several other cars with straight dual exhausts and have never had any issues with smoke or heat, but angling down would mitigate the potential.
Surprised you didn’t say a miss on this is the lack of a rearview mirror camera if the view is blocked by luggage or passengers…especially in top trim..
Great point. I should’ve included the lack of a digital rear view camera option as a nit pick. It was on my list at one point! Overall, though, haven’t noticed too many issues getting good views looking outside the vehicle if you get all your mirrors set up correctly.
How are the L2 semi-autonomous functionalities like lane keeping, lane following, adaptive cruise control?
I typically only use the adaptive cruise and lane keeping (i.e. semi autonomous steering). Both work fine. Only issue with lane keeping is it will sometimes want to take an interstate off ramp since it detects the right solid white line moving right.
I don't have tjat gab on the doors, my radio stay on until I open the doors ,practically you can change about everything the way you want or not want as you like
Oh my god yes, our 2013 Honda Ody is on its 5th set of front brakes at 240,000 kms ... Its brutal how quick they warp
Had a 2012 Odyssey before the 2023 Pilot. Yep, roughly the same experience with the rotors/brakes driving it 230k miles.
Not sure but I’d guess the plastic at the bottom on the sides of the vehicle is there to reduce exposure to rust. Those are the first parts of the car to rust typically so making them out of plastic provides some protection there.
They mostly just cover up the metal at the bottom of the door. At least with the plastic it doesn’t get chipped from rocks being kicked up from the tires.
Question? Does it roll back when you stop on hill and go. Or it has a delay before it rolls back?
It has a hill stop feature so it won’t roll back.
I wouldn’t want hot exhaust running and exiting right below expensive blind spot sensors.
I suspect this is why Honda dropped the exhaust further under the rear.
Also can the HUD display position be adjusted? The one in my Hyundai can.
The HUD can only be adjusted up and down. Direct exhaust outlets have never impacted the parking sensors on my other Hondas.
Im not sure but I think the vehicle doe's slow down using the transmission, the breaks come on for safety feature
Our 2023 Honda pilot the passenger front seat is too narrow. I don’t feel like I’m sitting in the center. The armrest are good, but I think I’m twisting my body to sit in the center of the seat on the needs to make a wider seat.
Thx for sharing. Haven’t noticed that, but will check out.
You should be able to put the wiper blades up after you turn the car off and use the windshield wipers so that they stop halfway up the front window amd then pull them off the glass.
I will try that, thx. On my 2020 RDX the wipers automatically return to the down setting when you turn the car off.
@FourTheWheels if that doesn't work there is a tutorial on how to do it on UA-cam, you'll just have to search for it
ua-cam.com/video/k8NftCIHsSg/v-deo.htmlsi=JZ3G9RvKv6tfFsvk
On my 1990 Acura Legend, Honda has a “winter” switch for the wipers that would park the wipers above the hidden area of the hood so that you could lift up the wipers to scrape, etc. Brilliant idea I wish they never get rid of.
HONDA ENGINEERS ARE YOU LISTENING?
I agree 100% about the cruise control, why it doesn't downshift or have a lax behavior blows my mind. I am constantly cancelling, and downshifting like you mentioned to hold hills that are miles long. I can just see what the other drivers are thinking, like why is this guy riding his brakes so much?? It also drives me nuts that it has no tolerance for coasting on a slight downhill. I get if you're coming up on a car, ya gotta brake. But there's literally nobody around and it brakes like there's a speedcheck ahead.
Also, I can't comment on the wireless charger much as it doesn't work with my particular phone case and iphone. Only if I take the phone out of the case, unfortunately.
You hit the nail on the head with the cruise control. Well said. It’s particularly annoying if you’re on a stretch of highway with a lot of small hills…downshifting to maintain speed up the hill and then constant, regular brake applications on the downside of the hill. The repeated pattern gets old and I have to turn off cruise.
@@FourTheWheels For sure!! They could even do the EV thing where if they downshift and the car is decelerating, they light the brake lights (but not the physical brakes). Seems like a no brainer.
How is the acceleration? Some auto reviewers say it is a little slow or sluggish especially when full of people? Also any chance you live at a high elevation? Living at 5000ft does sap power from any non turbo cars. So it is helpful to us when people also living at high elevation describe the acceleration of the suv. Thanks
I live at around 400 ft elevation. I find the engine fully adequate but it would be nice if it had a bit more torque. This is most noticeable at highway speeds when you need to quickly pass another car. Haven’t driven it above 3,500 ft elevation. 10-speed’s low gear ratios in gears 1-3 make up for the torque during in town driving.
Thank you for your reply.@@FourTheWheels
Totally agree on plastic body cladding! Borderline dealbreaker especially on the top trim
ymmv on the wireless charger, worked fine for my Pixel 6 and even better with my Pixel 8. as for the phone getting hot, that's an issue typical of any Qi charger.
Great review. How is the acceleration?
@ediliver4255 thx! Acceleration is fully adequate. No issues with a full load (just be sure to move drive mode from Econ to Normal if you’ve got a full load). 1-2 gearing is pretty low so takes off easily from a stoplight. When up to speed torque feel is a little lower than I’d prefer, though, and you will notice that especially when needing to pass quickly.
Love this Video, very informative! everything that he said is very realistic and accurate for me, though i can deal with most of everything that needed to be improved, there is 1 thing that i can not deal to buy this fantastic SUV, that is the gas tank for me, its the deal breaker for me, i need a 500 miles range vehicle if i spent 50k plus, after everything done , it's probably about 60k. Sorry Honda !
Thx for watching! If I’m easy on the gas and can eke out 27 mpg on the highway I can get close to 400 miles when the gas light comes on. If you’re going 75mph+ I’d expect around 340-360 miles. Gas tank size is disappointing, but it hasn’t been too much of an issue for us…but haven’t had to drive across the country, yet!
Several days ago picked up a 2025 Touring AWD for $3k below msrp. We also got top $$ trade-in on our 2022 Highlander XLE.
Well done on that deal, and thx for sharing.
@FourTheWheels Thanks ours is Radiant Red, which matches my Infrared '23 Lexus IS500.
@@moonman_8935Love the IS500! Last of its kind of sedan with a V8. Certainly a keeper for long term collectability.
I REALLY like Honda Pilot...... but I wish it gets a little more mileage per gallon 😊😂
Great video
Thanks!
How many oil changes were required within that 15K mileage ?
Did a DIY oil change at 4200 miles (60% maintenance minder). Dealership change at 8400 miles (15% maint minder). Next DIY at 12400 miles (60% maint minder). Currently at 16950 miles and 20% maint minder. Planning to schedule a dealership oil change within next week.
Whats your oil and filter of choice ?
I personally prefer Valvoline Premium Full Synthetic Extended Protection 0W-20. It’s a top tier oil. I always use a genuine Honda OEM oil filter. Check out my UA-cam video on how to do a DIY Pilot oil change.
Excellent review thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
All valid points and nitpicks---
Wireless charger on my 2022 F150 does the same thing. It’s pretty much a phone heater, not a charger.
Important. How good and accurate is the gps and navigation system. I have a 2016 Pilot where everything else is really good, but the navigation system is pitiful. Upgrades are equally pitiful. I understand that most people use their cellphones, but the VEHICLE should have a very good one too.
Good question. The native navigation system on my 2023 is not a strongpoint. It’s a bit cumbersome to use. Thankfully the wireless Apple CarPlay works well and I just use my iPhone’s Google Maps which displays perfectly on the Pilot’s infotainment display.
On the official Honda website, the 2023-2024 is only a 17.5 gallon gas tank. My older 2012-2015 pilot was 21 gallons gas tank. = more range.
Page 790 of my owner’s manual states capacity at “18.5 US gal”. And the yes, it’s a big owners manual that comes with the 2023 Pilot!
@@FourTheWheels 350 miles per tank is crazy.. I was on a trip and was looking for gas station when it neared 100 miles left. I still recall I got 650 miles on my ex 15 honda accord and it had like 12 gallon tanks only..
We're in the market for a Pilot (Touring). Thank you for sharing your actual day to day ownership observations.
That wiper design is awful for those that have to deal with snow/freezing conditions. Not being able to leave them lifted is going to be a dangerous PITA dealing with frozen wipers.
Not a fan of the braking during cruise control rather than downshifting. I could see it being chosen to warn tailgaters, but I'd much rather just downshift.
That fuel range is disappointing for such a large vehicle. Our little budget sedan gets more!
Now it's making me reconsider going with the Odyssey instead. Love the efficiency of a minivan but, man, are they ugly. Kia gets it with their Carnival, I'm just not a fan of their track record with reliability.
How do you like the heated steering wheel? That and maybe the side step rails (for the kids) are the only optional add-ons we'd even consider.
Heated steering wheel works great. Heats up very quickly. I can remote start from a distance in a large parking lot (heated steering wheel comes on automatically in cold weather) and by the time I get to the car there’s already a lot of warmth felt from the wheel. Had an Odyssey prior. Most “functional” vehicle I’ve ever owned. Great road tripping vehicle with tons of space.
I am across the border up north and the Pilot comes with windshield warmer which deice the windshield where the wipers are with remote start and haven’t had an issue yet. Will see how this month performs when winter really starts and stuff kicks into higher gear.
@@sizzlacalunjiI believe the Elite has the deicer but not the Touring (which is what we opted for).
@@davetechme in the US agree, on the Trailsport and Elite have the windshield de-icer.
Let us know when the crackling starts from the head unit into the speakers. Oh and the constant dropping of all audio.
Haven’t experienced any of those issues so far.
That is 22-23 not seen in 24-25
The wiper thing might be a deal breaker for me, as I live in Wisconsin and park outdoors. We always prop the wipers up to clear snow and ice off the windshield and not being able to do that would be incredibly annoying. Never would have thought to look for that. Thanks for pointing it out!
You’re able to do it, you put the wipers in service mode now though. I had a VW that did the same thing, imo not a big hassle
I agree that Honda has solved the brake warping issue. I’ve owned 6 Hondas going back to 1980, had issues with warping. I am currently driving a 2019 Elite. It has 77,000 miles. No warping after multiple tire rotations, tire replacements. In fact, it still has the original pads.
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought.
I love the Pilot but I cant stand the rear side window design, they should have made the glass larger and more seamless with the side windows. It looks clunky but I love the design otherwise.
Keep us posted after 50k?
Certainly have that in mind, thx. Been also thinking about a 50k mile owner review on my 2020 RDX.
It's just a minivan without the sliding doors that's all it's still a beautiful
At that price Honda needed to put real exhaust tips. The MDX has it
Agree 💯
@@FourTheWheels I’m looking to get an exl in the future. I noticed prices drop on the pilot,passport and ridgeline much faster than Honda’s 4 cylinders. One can easily get a pilot exl for about $3-$5 less than stick with only several thousand miles on them. I like the hustle
@@NYGFRANK87 good luck! You might even try to get $2K off on a new one in this market.
The faux exhaust ports are a a smart design. You won’t get carbon residue on the tips.
That is true. You might have identified the one and only benefit! 😅
We are going to purchase a Pilot in spring of 2025. Everything we seen so far we love. So highly recommend this vehicle? We are a family of 4 our kids are young teens so this might be perfect.
I would highly recommend the Pilot. Space might be a little tight, though, if there are six total of you (assuming you’re using the 3rd row) in the vehicle for long trips plus baggage.
@@FourTheWheels there are 4 total we have 2 teens, but awesome thank you for the review.
@@altimaguy03ifyGotcha! You’ll be just fine then. Good luck!
When they get teens I think the minivan affair is over. This is the alternative.
Think of the parking brake control this way…pull up on the switch to engage like a “fly off” parking brake like old Hondas, push down to release. I have a 2020 RDX and engage the parking brake like the old-time “step-on” parking brake…push the switch; pull to disengage…like old cars. Just a thought.
I share your pain regarding the wipers. Whoever approved the wiper design has never lived in a snowy/icy climate. I like to lift my wipers off the windshield after parking for the night…beats having to peel the wipers off glass in the AM.
I’m getting close to pulling the trigger on a new ‘24 EX-L Pilot. 😊
Interesting way of thinking about the e-parking brake approach. Thx for sharing. Wish Honda would go back to a wiper arm design like the type used on the ‘13-‘17 Accord.
@@FourTheWheels, I agree regarding the wipers. I can’t lift the wipers off the glass on my RDX, my wife’s CX-30 or the Acura TLX I had before my RDX. Yet my son’s ‘23 F150 has the feature. 😕. I think Honda does it for aerodynamic reasons. As much of a pain it is at the gas station, try digging ice and snow out of that deep pocket in the winter with non-lifting wipers…it’s a ROYAL pain.
Do you happen to know if the Pilot has self-pairing TPMS sensors? I run snow tires on all 4 wheels on my car in the winter.
@@MrGarfield4 not sure on your TPMS question, but I believe yes. Perhaps we can get another viewer to chime in…
What i absolutely hate in HP2023 is a quality of paint (they saved a lot on clear coat) and driver avarness system when you actually need to move wheel to disable alarm. It is dangerous. What I will also improve is a noise from the engine (I am not a fun of F1 engine noise) and shaky feeling from suspension. Otherwise, the best buy for $
Never understood why higher end trims do not have bench 2nd row seats..
The Elite basically has a bench seat when you want it or captain chairs by removing the center seat. It’s a great design and works well.
More horse is what honda needs to add ..sport trim with 400 hp!
That would be cool…a Type R Pilot?! Standard power is fine but a little more torque would be nice. Would be interesting if Honda offered the 2.0 turbo motor in the Pilot making somewhere around 300 hp and 310 ft lbs.
Wiper blades getting stuck under hood is THE worst one. Good catch
it is very common, in newer cars now, my wife has a Nissan SUV, same issue.. soon or later, the wiper arm will create rust to the hood.. it happened to my wife car since we need to lift it up to clean snow.. and after a few years.. "hit and hit.. and hit" == the paint will peel off and then water... and snow.. == rust..
That tow-hitch/bumper issue is inexcusable.
The roof rails are designed for those who strap different things on the roof that need to be tied down.
wait for VCM to go south and carbon on DI to build up...timing belt also. unfortunate they made those 3 decisions .
Carbon build up is a risk for any DI engine but luckily Honda does not have a reputation for excessively quick carbon build up on their engines. Timing chain would be preferred but Honda has a good reputation on their OEM timing belts. It’s a tried and true design for V6 Hondas, albeit an expensive maint job every 100k miles or 7 yrs.
one more thing you can complain about is that it is not a dog-proof design. I personally don't like the push button for the brake, shift. I have a golden who sometime, will come up front and look at stuff when I am with her alone. 50% of the time her feet will hit the brake hold button. I used cardboard to cover up most of the buttons.
Interesting observation. In the event you’re a Star Wars fan, “I don’t think they had Wookies in mind when they designed it!” 😂
Your Golden should be in a crate in the back or wearing a harness and attached to the second row seat belt anchor. Period.
I think the Acura version MDX skips the black plastic for paint for more upscale luxury look. I don’t think Honda really embraces luxury even in Elite model designs. I agree the texture makes cleaning difficult. In my ‘24 one annoying infotainment “feature “ is if I am listening to XM but my wife’s phone plays a video it changes the selected audio source and makes me go back repeatedly to the radio.
Funny…same issue happens with my wife and me! It can be a bit cumbersome switching between different phones for Apple CarPlay when you’re driving down the road and want to switch connected phones.